Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Sir_NutS]

I'm extremely biased towards anything kid icarus, so although the instruments sounded a bit thin, I loved this. (I still prefer Nixdorux' version of the main theme, but this one fits more for the battle environment)

[cobaltstarfire]

Yoshi fucking pisses me off whenever I play one, YES THIS IS ANNOYING

Beginners lol

Yoshi has that invulnerability to make up for lacking a third jump.


Oh yeah, the song was ok, I mean the sound was pretty bad but I liked the composition (except for the end, that was pretty terrible).

[Drack]

With the team of composers listed on the site behind the music for the game, I expect more than what we've heard so far on the site.

[Brithor]

I don't think those are the final versions of those songs, I mean, Melee's soundtrack sounded much better, at least to me. I think Sakurai's just showing us low quality samples of the finished versions.

[Wipomatic]

Well, I liked it.

[Baleshadow]

I didn't much care for that update. Crappy arrangement notwithstanding, the sound quality was far too low. I really hope these aren't the finished versions.

[FlagshipAmadeus]

The baseline to that sounds terrible...

[Ray Falling]

Sakurai himself seems a bit insecure about certain things.

"You might imagine it to be a bit forced, but I think it sounds quite good."

I would expect someone like this, on a site like this, for a game like this to really be behind everything 100%. It's interesting how his first thought is "well people may think it's forced...". That's the last thing on my mind had it not been for him saying it.

I think he said simillar things on other topics as well.

Kind of like, making a joke about yourself before anyone else does, as a self defense thing...
Oh well. Sometimes I wonder if it really is him in the first place...

[Sir_NutS]

Sakurai himself seems a bit insecure about certain things.

"You might imagine it to be a bit forced, but I think it sounds quite good."

I would expect someone like this, on a site like this, for a game like this to really be behind everything 100%. It's interesting how his first thought is "well people may think it's forced...". That's the last thing on my mind had it not been for him saying it.

I think he said simillar things on other topics as well.

Kind of like, making a joke about yourself before anyone else does, as a self defense thing...
Oh well. Sometimes I wonder if it really is him in the first place...
he said you might Imagine it to be forced, as in, before listening to the song, yo remember the three songs he mentioned and they don't quite sound like they would fit together. I did imagine the three songs and they did sounded they would be forced together, but after listening to the mix I thought they sounded good, as sakurai himself stated. He is not saying that they sound forced, just that some people would think they would sound forced together.

[Ray Falling]

Fair enough :)

[DJ SymBiotiX]

hmm yea.. I didnt really like the kid icarus song. Though I'm totally loving the ocarina medly thing. I think the transitions between songs are pretty sweet, and the song itself is quite good. (I'm sure the quality of these songs will get a huge jump when they are in the game)

[Arek the Absolute]

With the team of composers listed on the site behind the music for the game, I expect more than what we've heard so far on the site.

Then you can speak for me about that subject, because everytime I say that, I get e-jumped.

[Final_metroid]

Then you can speak for me about that subject, because everytime I say that, I get e-jumped.

imagine if they only provided the list of musicians ONLY to irk the video game music community

[Sir_NutS]

well we've heard what, 3, 4 songs? I don't remember well but if melee is any indication we'll have one song for each game plus other extras thrown in, plus menu themes, adventure mode songs and many others. They've only shown demos so far, and the only song we've heard completely was the one composed by Uematsu for the presentation.

I'd say, hold on to your socks, because when the game comes out the music will surely deliver. They won't tout their list of musicians if they weren't going to deliver something worth of their fame. I don't think an artist like Mitsuda would make a crappy song for the game and call it a day.

[Antipode]

I think it would be nice if these were just renders of the compositions and they were going to have it all actually orchestrated and recorded for the game.

[nookster]

I think it would be nice if these were just renders of the compositions and they were going to have it all actually orchestrated and recorded for the game.


Actually, I think it would be more than nice. It's a must. Personal taste about the arrangement aside, the Icarus song is just plan low quality sound wise. And that's not the only one (though I absolutely love the zelda one) They have to be orchestrated, this must be demos...

please?

[Neo Samus]

Actually, I think it would be more than nice. It's a must. Personal taste about the arrangement aside, the Icarus song is just plan low quality sound wise. And that's not the only one (though I absolutely love the zelda one) They have to be orchestrated, this must be demos...

please?

You do realize that about 90% of Melee is "not" orchestrated? And yes, I do think that these are not the final arrangements.

[GigaShadow]

I don't really notice anything wrong with the song. But maybe I just don't have quite the standards some of you guys do.

And I swear I recall hearing something about a good portion of the music being orchestrated. Maybe I'm just imagining things.

[Makai]

And I swear I recall hearing something about a good portion of the music being orchestrated. Maybe I'm just imagining things.

I remember people saying the same thing about Twilight Princess, and look how that turned out. Some songs were recorded, but a vast majority were MIDIs. It wasn't bad at all, though. Brawl's music should be good, even if it's not orchestrated.

[Hobocop]

And I swear I recall hearing something about a good portion of the music being orchestrated. Maybe I'm just imagining things.

As do I. It was when the e3 trailer was first revealed. Hopefully these updates are just so that we know what the arrangements will sound like if they do get orchestrated, then recorded. Also, when I heard the Kid Icarus theme, I didn't think it would fit the level at all, but when I listened to the song and looked at the images on the previous update, it matched really nice.

[Strike911]

Yeah the whole Twilight Princess recorded vs. midi thing does pop up in my head... I mean, I love TP, don't get me wrong, but there's a difference between the midi style classics from the Zelda series and some really nice recorded styles, like from, say, Shadow of the Colossus, and Smash Bros Melee.

I feel like Nintendo has kind of fallen down a peg. I certainly hope they use real recordings as opposed to a MIDI version, because its just so much more dynamic and high quality. Brawl will be a great game, but when a developer has gone the extra mile to hire an orchestra and other musicians to get the themes really hammered out, it just makes the game that much more appealing... that much more refined and polished. I mean, I mentioned Shadow of the Colossus earlier; the music in that game REALLY adds to the entire package, it gives it that extra bit of polish that makes it a stellar game.

I feel like most of Nintendo's games are a little behind the curve in this respect. There are exceptions that prove the rule, but ... generally speaking, Nintendo reeeally prefers midi over live recordings.

... I do wonder if the music they're releasing on the website is final and merely an arrangement of what a live recording will end up.

Anyway, if the music isn't live, since they're more or less saving money by not having to hire live musicians, I hope that they're at least using that cash to make the game better in other aspects. If we get a ridiculously stellar game and a midi soundtrack I'm cool with that. The way its turning out, Brawl is already looking real awesome.

[supremespleen]

It's going to MIDI, not much we can do about it.

[KWarp]

The desire for live recordings is an American cultural aspect derived from our history with Cinema. Japan grew up differently and doesn't consider orchestration as important.

Neither synthetic music nor orchestras are inherently better than another. Some artists are simply more capable of composing (in this case adapting) their music more in one style than another.

Brawl's music right now strikes me as an oddity. The music is composed in an orchestrated style, but performed with syths that don't sound very balanced. They must be works in progress, to be either orchestrated or equalized.

[GigaShadow]

Now, to change the topic off music for a moment, I was just playing Yoshi's Island, when I realized what Brawl needs.

Touch Fuzzy, Get Dizzy stage.

[Imagery]

Now, to change the topic off music for a moment, I was just playing Yoshi's Island, when I realized what Brawl needs.

Touch Fuzzy, Get Dizzy stage.

YES override

[The Author]

I'd settle for a touch fuzzy get dizzy item.

[GigaShadow]

Like an AT? That'd be cool, but then the whole stage wouldn't be all trippy.

[The Author]

Well, single player the stage could get all messed up, but multiplayer just make the character dizzy (except on online gaming where one person is alone)

[Codycrusader]

Is it me or did the end of that Kid Icarus song sound like millions of cars were colliding into a solid steel stroller filled with crying babies and howler monkeys

[Azul v2]

I remember people saying the same thing about Twilight Princess, and look how that turned out. Some songs were recorded, but a vast majority were MIDIs. It wasn't bad at all, though. Brawl's music should be good, even if it's not orchestrated.

There are midi's in TP? Huh?

News to me.

[cobaltstarfire]

Is it me or did the end of that Kid Icarus song sound like millions of cars were colliding into a solid steel stroller filled with crying babies and howler monkeys

No...no its not just you.

[BigBoss]

That stage looks awesome.
Pit looks awesome.
But I REALLY hoped they wouldn't use that CHIPPER ASS FUCKHAPPY PISSANT BACKGROUND MUSIC.

[Bigfoot]

Maybe the next song should be played by the world's smallest violin.

[Zup]

Maybe the next song should be played by the world's smallest violin.

No, that'd be too low quality for these sticklers.

BTW, I enjoyed the music. As I've only gotten to level 3 on Icarus on VC, I've heard this music alot. And, to my untrained ears, it sounds quite awesome.

[Strike911]

Like an AT? That'd be cool, but then the whole stage wouldn't be all trippy.

But... that's where Wario's "WarioWare" themed level would come in..... it'd be trippy too!

/alliteration

EDIT: The music. Let me put my 2 cents down. They gave us stellar music in Melee and I want that same calibur of awesomeness to return. Synthesized music is often kind of bland and not nearly as expressive as the real thing... because it's not real. THEY CAN BE though... I'm cool with midi's, but make them damn good midi's... the Ocarina Medley on the SmashBros site was amazing, but.... this Kid Icarus one... not so much. Again I'm cool with Midi's as long as they're GOOD. Seriously, towards the end of the Kid Icarus song it sounds like a midi that someone has applied soundfonts to at the end... no lie. All those orchestra hits and stuff. I just don't want the audio quality from the second game to drop down a peg as the new one comes out. And I doubt that will happen, but... yeah, it does feel a little forced.

That's all I'm saying.

[NeoForte]

WHOA! Pits final smash move (guess Palutena isn't playable, shame :( )

[Inimitable]

needs moar goddess boobies?

[Arek the Absolute]

final smash more like unown
seriously
no
seriously

[Ralphis]

Am I the only one tired of seeing people saying, here and elsewhere, that the music is too happy? Have you even played any of the other Smash games? Have you ever played a Yoshi level or Kirby level? Oh and of course, the Mario 64 Rainbow Cruise music is really battle oriented!

I just wonder if these people have ever played a Smash game before when they run their mouths in such a manner.

[Thylacine]

Not horrible, and not unexpected. I'm saying right now my only problem with Pit is the music, otherwise it's good.

[ILLiterate]

Wait...from the new sheilding animations without the bubble does this mean you can be hit from behind if you're sheilding forward?

If that is true, the game will be SO FUCKING BROKEN

[Strike911]

haha!! PIT!!

this is pretty cool, I can dig it. So they come out dash at people and attack. that's cool.

I'm glad we're seeing some final smashes that aren't just uber versions of special attacks. Now some cool interesting things.

I'm diggin Palutena. Look at those little Centurions... they're all over the background and everything... I bet this is one Final Smash that looks great in motion... I bet the pics don't do it justice. :)

I'm digging it.

Edit.... I'm kind of wondering if Palutena is a 3D model or a 2D image.... *shrugs*

[Arek the Absolute]

Wait...from the new sheilding animations without the bubble does this mean you can be hit from behind if you're sheilding forward?

If that is true, the game will be SO FUCKING BROKEN
Don't stir up commotion like this. It is really bad for this thread, especially knowing how fucking jumpy the people that post here are.

[Makai]

Wait...from the new sheilding animations without the bubble does this mean you can be hit from behind if you're sheilding forward?

I don't see any shields.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pit/pit_070809d-l.jpg

If you're talking about this, it looks more like the effect used when people attacked at the same time in Melee.

[Strike911]

I don't see any shields.
If you're talking about this, it looks more like the effect used when people attacked at the same time in Melee.

Well, everyone had a blocking animation in Melee, just the bubble obscured it. Meh, I just thought it was one of those hard last minute shield usages where you hear like a thud upon impact and see no bubble. It could be Ike pulling up his sword after Aether and not reacting to the damage too.

It's vanity shot... that's all it is.

[KWarp]

EDIT: The music. Let me put my 2 cents down. They gave us stellar music in Melee and I want that same calibur of awesomeness to return. Synthesized music is often kind of bland and not nearly as expressive as the real thing... because it's not real. THEY CAN BE though... I'm cool with midi's, but make them damn good midi's... the Ocarina Medley on the SmashBros site was amazing, but.... this Kid Icarus one... not so much. Again I'm cool with Midi's as long as they're GOOD. Seriously, towards the end of the Kid Icarus song it sounds like a midi that someone has applied soundfonts to at the end... no lie. All those orchestra hits and stuff. I just don't want the audio quality from the second game to drop down a peg as the new one comes out. And I doubt that will happen, but... yeah, it does feel a little forced.

That's all I'm saying.
Gotta throw a fact down: Recordings of real instruments don't sound like the real instruments. You don't get the room-filling vibracity even with lossless recording. A recording of a violin isn't a violin. It's a musical illusion of one. That said, synths in live recordings are on the same level. However, live recordings phrase themselves naturally while synths need to be meticulously designed as such.

[Cerrax]

Well, everyone had a blocking animation in Melee, just the bubble obscured it. Meh, I just thought it was one of those hard last minute shield usages where you hear like a thud upon impact and see no bubble. It could be Ike pulling up his sword after Aether and not reacting to the damage too.

It's vanity shot... that's all it is.

I would have to agree with Makai. It looks like Ike and that Centurion just happened to land an attack at exactly the same time. The effect you are talking about Strike911, looked more like dust bouncing off of the character than a bubble like the photo.

[Kiyosuki]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pit/pit_070809a-l.jpg

God is that epic looking or what?

[Sir_NutS]

Pit is turning out to be everything I wanted him to be in this game. Even his final smash, is exactly what I said it was going to be like (Without the massive, beautiful Palutena appearing in the background though!)

This is AWESOME

[supremespleen]

The pic is not bubbleless shielding.

[Neo Samus]

Pit's Final Smash looks effing EPIC!!!

[The Derrit]

hey i know that this isn't specifically on brawl, but for those who enjoyed smash bros. melee, and/or played competitively like myself, you will enjoy this. thouroughly. the song is particularly awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSE1TcaZSUo

[Dhsu]

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8413/pit070809alfv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

God is that epic looking or what?
Wow, check out that leg. ROWR.

[RocketSniper]

Their sacrifices are so...so hilarious...

[Neo Samus]

Wow, check out that leg. ROWR.

Can someone help me pick up my tounge? :<

[Brithor]

I find it kind of dumb that you can block the centurions so easily (if what Ike's doing is just blocking, that is.)

[Bigfoot]

It looks like maybe Ike is stunned for a bit.

[megadave]

Wow, check out that leg. ROWR. For a while, I was worried that I was the only one who noticed. ROWR indeed. Too bad she doesn't have her own character.

[Bigfoot]

For a while, I was worried that I was the only one who noticed. ROWR indeed. Too bad she doesn't have her own character.

Or does she? No, probably not.

[supremespleen]

Wow, check out that leg. ROWR.Oh wow. Gonna need some higher res pics of her.

[GigaShadow]

Am I the only one tired of seeing people saying, here and elsewhere, that the music is too happy? Have you even played any of the other Smash games? Have you ever played a Yoshi level or Kirby level? Oh and of course, the Mario 64 Rainbow Cruise music is really battle oriented!

I just wonder if these people have ever played a Smash game before when they run their mouths in such a manner.

Not to mention that of the songs we've seen only Yoshi's ending and PI stage sound happy. Starfox song, Ocarina song, Ridley Fight song? Those three wouldn't count as happy.

[BigBoss]

It's only the Kid Icarus song that's too happy. Some other songs are pretty bouncy or content, yes. But that song literally sounds like it was written by a man who smiles all the time.

[Lotd2242]

He's an angel of light...from Angel Land...why wouldn't it be an unnecessarily happy tune?

[BigBoss]

He's an angel of light...from Angel Land...why wouldn't it be an unnecessarily happy tune?

You're right. It's just a little disappointing sometimes. =P

[Azul v2]

The game is not going to be done for another 4 months. I'm sure they haven't finished every song in final form. This is probably the first phase, I'm sure some of you remixers should know that. I'm not going to "fret" about it like half of you here.---

[Hylian Lemon]

I don't have anything against the Kid Icarus remix...besides those awful hits near the end. The other music so far is still better, though.

[FuriousFure]

He's an angel of light...from Angel Land...why wouldn't it be an unnecessarily happy tune?

using that logic I'd say that it should feel a bit more angelic with choral parts and strings than the bouncy and overly happy route they took.


it should sound more like Enya's work than Raffi's.

[Dhsu]

Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring...Palutena Phone!

[Arek the Absolute]

y helo thar miss secksy legz

[The Mutericator]

Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring...Palutena Phone!

Ding dong ding dong ding dong ding... Dalutena Phone!

[KWarp]

I've got this feeling. So appealing. To send some centaurs down and sling. SLING!

[Aninymouse]

I think my spirit would be crushed if this was the first week without a character profile update...

[Effector]

I think my spirit would be crushed if this was the first week without a character profile update...

You have a pretty fragile spirit, then... I'd rather have more final smashes than a profile for a character we already know about.

But Friday updates are usually pretty epic, right?

[Makai]

But Friday updates are usually pretty epic, right?

Not really. The only "epic" Friday updates have been the Adventure mode ones, unless you think Smashville and Knuckle Joe qualify.

[Imagery]

The game is not going to be done for another 4 months. I'm sure they haven't finished every song in final form. This is probably the first phase, I'm sure some of you remixers should know that. I'm not going to "fret" about it like half of you here.---

The game isn't going to be sold for another four months. It'll be done quite a bit sooner than that.

[Codycrusader]

Too bad she doesn't have her own character.

She'll prolly be a character because...

A. Every game has at least two playable characters (Excluding Game and Watch because he sucks, and Ice Climbers because they're the only two characters in the game... but that's two so i dunno)

B. Palutena is pretty damn awesome.

and

C. Check B.

[iskyoork]

I'm a bit of a lurker, but I check this topic every time i get done checking an update, I have to say that this game is shaping up to be one of the best games ever, I have yet to see anything I really can gripe about.

Hopefully we get an epic Friday, Updates this week have been have been ok, But im looking forward to something big.

[Strike911]

Am I the only one tired of seeing people saying, here and elsewhere, that the music is too happy? Have you even played any of the other Smash games? Have you ever played a Yoshi level or Kirby level? Oh and of course, the Mario 64 Rainbow Cruise music is really battle oriented!

True. When this stuff gets brought up I always remember a lot of Capcom's fighting games in the last 5 years... it's all jazzy and not the first kind of music you would originally expect in a game devoted entirely to fighting. Things will mesh well, I'm comfortable knowing that it's worked in the past.

[Imagery]

She'll prolly be a character because...

A. Every game has at least two playable characters (Excluding Game and Watch because he sucks, and Ice Climbers because they're the only two characters in the game... but that's two so i dunno)

B. Palutena is pretty damn awesome.

and

C. Check B.

I'm really doubting playable characters would show up in other characters' final smashes. This for the same reason I really doubt playable characters would show up in stage backgrounds (Nook in Smashville => Nook's not playable). Unless someone can dig up a situation of which I'm not aware in which a playable Smasha has some other in-match appearance? Really, I'd like to know if there is such an instance, cause I can't think of one.

[!Nekko!]

Come on Captain Falcon. SHOW ME YOURSELF AND YOUR MOVES!

[Kureejii Lea]

I'm really doubting playable characters would show up in other characters' final smashes. This for the same reason I really doubt playable characters would show up in stage backgrounds (Nook in Smashville => Nook's not playable). Unless someone can dig up a situation of which I'm not aware in which a playable Smasha has some other in-match appearance? Really, I'd like to know if there is such an instance, cause I can't think of one.


Aside from Captain Falcon being run over his own car, and that's kinda stretching it...

I'm pretty sure you can't pull of Fox/Falco's alternate taunt if both are on the field, too.

[Rambo]

lawl.... "Come on, now! Where are you sticking that thing?"

[NeoForte]

Franklin Badge! Awesome Mother item! and LOL Kirby + Commentary

[FuriousFure]

oh noes! another really cool item!

i'm sure i'll forget i have it on so when it kicks in i'll be all

"what the hell?"

[HalcyonSpirit]

Alright all you Mother fans out there. You tell me, what's this badge got to do with reflecting projectiles? I've never played the game.

[NeoForte]

If I remember the Franklin Badge in the game protected you from Lighting Attacks.

[Jam Stunna]

Aside from the awesomeness of this item, it pretty much confirms that Ness will be back. Maybe with friends?

[Thylacine]

Alright all you Mother fans out there. You tell me, what's this badge got to do with reflecting projectiles? I've never played the game.Gladly.

The Franklin Badge reflects lightning attacks. It is received shortly before fighting the leader of the Happy Happy Cultists, Mr. Carpainter, who mainly used PSI lightning attacks. However, this picture on the website differs significantly from the plainer one seen in the Earthbound strategy guide...

And this does pretty much confirm Ness's return.

EDIT: Is Pikachu's Thunderbolt considered projectile? I could see a potential inconsistency here.

[Strike911]

Im pretty sure that thunderbolt attack isn't a projectile...

I think the simplest way to put it is that the Franklin Badge will protect you from things that could be reflected by Fox (...or absorbed by Ness... or also reflected by Zelda). >_<

Theoretically though, if we were going to be REALLY story sensitive it would make the holder immune to most everything Pikachu's got, but there's no way in hell that's happening.

cool. I'm diggin' the fact that you kind of wear this item. It's kind of like the bunny ears, but ... more wearable.

This kind of makes me hope for more wearable items that have various enhancement and such. :)

[Lord.Roderick.i]

I hope Jigglypuff will be back, she(/he?) was my favorite character.
I think it would suck greatly if she get erased.

[Zeklan]

I love it.

[Bigfoot]

That's awesome.

[Cerrax]

Please tell me I'm not the first one to love this caption when taken out of context
Come on, now! Where are you sticking that thing?

[Arrow]

However, this picture on the website differs significantly from the plainer one seen in the Earthbound strategy guide...

That's because it's based on the promotional badge that was sold with copies of Mother 3 in Japan, rather than the in-game one from EB. Though technically the badge is a reprint of the one they sold with Mother 1, but still.

Possible proof we'll see an M3 character then?

[Arek the Absolute]

Cool, so fox's reflector is now an item.
Interesting.

[Mr.Roboto]

Wait a Second.

Franklin Badge?

Is it possible that we'll see the addition of badges from Paper Mario?Or perhaps even characters?

[Brithor]

The Franklin Badge has nothing to do with Paper Mario.
We'll probably get some Paper Mario assist trophies but I think we already have to many Mario related playable characters for they to add one more.

[Kiyosuki]

Listening to the original Kid Icarus music, I'm not sure how the Underworld song in general can't be uplifting. Its a generally cheery tune.

[Neonlare]

Wasn't the Franklin Badge from the SNES Earthbound or something? I'm sure you got it after you defeated the weird blue paint cult leader :o.

[Arek the Absolute]

You got the badge before you faced Mr. Carpainter from Paula.

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

Wasn't the Franklin Badge from the SNES Earthbound or something? I'm sure you got it after you defeated the weird blue paint cult leader :o.

It also played a more turning point-important role in Mother 3.

But yeah, as far as items go, the Franklin Badge is 'fuck yeah' -epic-.

I'd also say that, even if unlikely, this only guarentees the return of a main Mother character. Just because I know if they re-skin Ness into Lucas, even if he plays the same, there's gonna be a bit of bitching.

[Baleshadow]

I'd also say that, even if unlikely, this only guarentees the return of a main Mother character. Just because I know if they re-skin Ness into Lucas, even if he plays the same, there's gonna be a bit of bitching.

Unless in the next couple months Nintendo somehow decides to release a localized Mother 3 on the Virtual Console. I'm not holding my breath in the slightest, but that would be pretty amazing.

Either way, I'm excited about the inclusion of the Franklin Badge. A memorable item with an interesting gameplay effect is quite welcome.

[Sir_NutS]

Interesting item.

BTW, if it hasn't been posted before, IGN posted some exclusive (and neat) shots:

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/imgs_1.html

[cobaltstarfire]

Aww that's pretty cute on kirby.

I thought pikachus little thunder shocks could be reflected? I can't really remember, so maybe I'm terribly wrong.

[NeoForte]

Apperantly Coro Coro magazine announced the release for Smash in Japan (Nov 22) and it has comfirmed WiFi for this game. Though could still be rough translation but hopefully this is true.

link: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179073

[Neonlare]

Apperantly Coro Coro magazine announced the release for Smash in Japan (Nov 22) and it has comfirmed WiFi for this game. Though could still be rough translation but hopefully this is true.

link: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179073

If that is true then I, Neonlare, will knock you all down! (Once I get Wi-Fi working in my house :/) Anyhow, I'm looking forward to the Space Emissary thing, hopefully it won't play out like a really bad Fan-Fic :S.

[EDIT]

Don't understand why there's a Super Smash Brothers Melee screenshot of Termina in the IGN page though :/. (15)

[megadave]

Yes, now there must be a stage where you have to fight the entire Blue Blue cult.

[Red Shadow]

(...or absorbed by Ness...)
Ness can absorb pikachu's thunderbolt.

This has been my favorite update so far, for obvious reasons.

[Dhsu]

Ness can absorb pikachu's thunderbolt.
Really? The one that comes from a thundercloud? I'll need to try that sometime...

[Bigfoot]

Really? The one that comes from a thundercloud? I'll need to try that sometime...

Yeah, I've done it to my friend a bunch of times. Mind games ;)

[ILLiterate]

On the topic of those new pictures...Link has counter now?

[Makai]

On the topic of those new pictures...Link has counter now?

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/811/811759/super-smash-bros-brawl-20070809084919556.jpg

Assuming you're talking about this picture, I think it's just a smash attack since Pit has the same effect.

[Drack]

I wonder if this affects your OWN projectiles?

Assuming Ness is in the game, would this block your own third "jump"?

Throw a bob-omb up, let it hit you. What happens?

What about the other odd stuff Fox's reflector worked against, like crates and barrels (they bust, but no knockback in melee)?

[Calpis]

This update is awesome not only in the fact that the Franklin Badge is being included but it's a sign that a Mother character will be in the game. I know it's kind of stupid to think that they wouldn't include one, but I was starting to worry a little bit. Ness is my main character!

[Rambo]

On the topic of those new pictures...Link has counter now?

I can't really tell from that picture... but if link has some of the wicked techniques he had in TP like helm splitter or mortal draw, that would be F***n sweet.

[Cecilff2]

After being reminded of metroid now, I think it'd be neat to have those metroid gremlins, or ostrich thing, as an assist trophy or something.

[Strike911]

On the topic of those new pictures...Link has counter now?

in one of the movies Link does that now when he's charging his smash.. it's in the videos.

i've seen it with mine own eyes.

[Neo Samus]

This update is awesome not only in the fact that the Franklin Badge is being included but it's a sign that a Mother character will be in the game. I know it's kind of stupid to think that they wouldn't include one, but I was starting to worry a little bit. Ness is my main character!


I remember reading (I think the original Dojo site) that the original 12 will be in Brawl. So that means Ness should be in it.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

I wonder...
remember how Fox's reflector shield would hit players it they'd run into it?
Would the Badge work the same?

[mattycat900]

doubt it, the item would be border line invicibility then.

[Bigfoot]

I wonder...
remember how Fox's reflector shield would hit players it they'd run into it?
Would the Badge work the same?

No, he said only projectiles, so I'm going to assume that he means only that.

Although, it'd be funny if throwing someone into you counted as a projectile :P

[The Tiger]

I have to hand it to the guy who is writing all the updates. He has a good sense of humor.

[Arek the Absolute]

I wonder...
remember how Fox's reflector shield would hit players it they'd run into it?
Would the Badge work the same?
Um...what?
Fox and Falco's reflectors only hurt someone when they were used right when someone was next to them. Running into an already active reflector does nothing.

[Jam Stunna]

My wife had the brilliant idea to finally record some of our matches with our digital camera. This is my first time editing videos to present to an audience, so keep that in mind!

Jam Stunna (Roy) vs. JabuBelly (Yoshi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiOveGbMfkI)

Jam Stunna (Zelda) vs. JabuBelly (Peach) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGBPxg--_Cw)

Jam Stunna (G&W) vs, JabuBelly (Yoshi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iqmbmmmJ3s) <- Great match

Jam Stunna (ICs) vs. JabuBelly (Peach) 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdWYQzHodLU)

Jam Stunna (ICs) vs. JabuBelly (Peach 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4mx9Ogw_x0)

Jam Stunna (Peach) vs. JabuBelly (Yoshi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzIZgnfhhyk) <- Great match

Any criticisms or comments would be greatly appreciated.

[Dhsu]

Yoshi and Peach...lol @ stereotypical female Smash player characters.

Nice matches though. I enjoyed the G&W one.

[Arek the Absolute]

Having a wife that actually knows wtf she is doing in smash is a definite +1.
Good stuff, though your Roy could use some work.

[Jam Stunna]

Thanks. Yeah, my Roy has been languishing for years. I lose more matches than I win with him.

Quick question: I've been searching for these vids on youtube through the search engine, but I can't find them. Anyone know why they wouldn't show up?

[Effector]

Thanks. Yeah, my Roy has been languishing for years. I lose more matches than I win with him.

Quick question: I've been searching for these vids on youtube through the search engine, but I can't find them. Anyone know why they wouldn't show up?

I think it's because the videos are relatively new, and the site search index hasn't been updated to include those tags, etc.

EDIT: YouTube say so here (http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=58097). Nice videos, though. The only suggestion I can make is getting the video out from the TV to your camera, if your camera has those ports... better than taking video of the screen. Nice music choices. You two are pretty close in skill, I guess?

[Amayirot Akago]

I'm sick of waiting. I'm gonna pick up Smash Bros Melee ASAP and spend the next few months doing nothing but unlocking everything in it, and then do the whole thing over again once Smash Bros Brawl is released.

[Broken]

Good stuff Jam. I commented on a few of your videos. I've been trying to capture some matches that my friends and I have been having, but I need to hook my vcr up to my capture card first.

[Global-Trance]

My wife had the brilliant idea to finally record some of our matches with our digital camera. This is my first time editing videos to present to an audience, so keep that in mind!

Jam Stunna (Roy) vs. JabuBelly (Yoshi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiOveGbMfkI)

Jam Stunna (Zelda) vs. JabuBelly (Peach) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGBPxg--_Cw)

Jam Stunna (G&W) vs, JabuBelly (Yoshi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iqmbmmmJ3s) <- Great match

Jam Stunna (ICs) vs. JabuBelly (Peach) 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdWYQzHodLU)

Jam Stunna (ICs) vs. JabuBelly (Peach 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4mx9Ogw_x0)

Jam Stunna (Peach) vs. JabuBelly (Yoshi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzIZgnfhhyk) <- Great match

Any criticisms or comments would be greatly appreciated.

Much respect here.

Your videos here remind me of when I started getting decent at the game. Your technical prowess is great but you're playing too fast in the sense that you're mostly tapping into your technical ability but hardly having any mind games. Your opponents movements are far more reserved than you and was still able to keep up neck to neck most of the time. I say slow down a bit... your constant aggressive movement keeps you getting hit frequently. Other than that, I like what I see and I'd actually wouldn't mind having a match against you at some point.

P.S. On the G&W video, I definitely went "OH SHIT" at the up-tilt flag to 9-Sign K.O. combo near the beginning. ::thumbs up::

Edit: That's your wife you're playing?! She plays smart. Much respect for her too. If she picks up your technical ability, then honestly I think you'd be pretty screwed. XD

[Red Shadow]

Hung out with a friend that I haven't seen in months, and he and I have decided to get good at tournament level play together.

Fuck yeah.

[Mastertoku]

Geez.

I left on Tuesday for a retreat, and THIS is what I come back to? I was expecting some better updates... especially considering it was almost an entire week of them I missed.

But I like Pit's song.

[Jam Stunna]

Much respect here.

Your videos here remind me of when I started getting decent at the game. Your technical prowess is great but you're playing too fast in the sense that you're mostly tapping into your technical ability but hardly having any mind games. Your opponents movements are far more reserved than you and was still able to keep up neck to neck most of the time. I say slow down a bit... your constant aggressive movement keeps you getting hit frequently. Other than that, I like what I see and I'd actually wouldn't mind having a match against you at some point.

P.S. On the G&W video, I definitely went "OH SHIT" at the up-tilt flag to 9-Sign K.O. combo near the beginning. ::thumbs up::

Edit: That's your wife you're playing?! She plays smart. Much respect for her too. If she picks up your technical ability, then honestly I think you'd be pretty screwed. XD

It's so true. I get too aggressive and I end up losing to people that I shouldn't. Do you have any specific tips regarding mindgames and controlling the tempo of the match, because I feel that's one area that I need alot of help.

And yeah, my wife is well on her way to being much better than me soon!

[ILLiterate]

I'd say you move too much when you should be attacking, and at times (especally with IC) you're not going for a "safe" approach you just kinda run in headfirst

You're great with IC once you get a grab in, you just need to get those grabs more often. Try sheild grabbing more, when your opponent sheilds WD into dsmash to grab, just try and get it going

[Neonlare]

Welp, I'm off to Crete for two weeks so I'll be missing these updates :(, what I'm gonna miss most though is being able to read you guys make silly posts about even sillier conspiracy theories :p. Ciao all! - Neonlare - Random Internet Guy (RIG).

PS. Yes I stole your flame Jack Kieser, and it was hot.

[Eulogic]

Say hi to the Minotaur for me.

[Rambo]

My wife had the brilliant idea to finally record some of our matches with our digital camera. This is my first time editing videos to present to an audience, so keep that in mind!

Jam Stunna (Roy) vs. JabuBelly (Yoshi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiOveGbMfkI)

Jam Stunna (Zelda) vs. JabuBelly (Peach) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGBPxg--_Cw)

Jam Stunna (G&W) vs, JabuBelly (Yoshi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iqmbmmmJ3s) <- Great match

Jam Stunna (ICs) vs. JabuBelly (Peach) 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdWYQzHodLU)

Jam Stunna (ICs) vs. JabuBelly (Peach 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4mx9Ogw_x0)

Jam Stunna (Peach) vs. JabuBelly (Yoshi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzIZgnfhhyk) <- Great match

Any criticisms or comments would be greatly appreciated.

I've only watched the Peach/Yoshi one thus far... but holy poo. You two are FAR batter than I expected to see. You're lucky to have someone, ESPECIALY you WIFE who can match you pretty well skill wise. People I know just don't know how to play well... and I'm never gonna get better. lol

Great vids.

[Mastertoku]

Incidentally, I mainly just play (and consequently defeat) my friends and people I actually know, and have not yet been to a tournament or the like.

Therefore, can somebody explain to me just what the hell a wavedash is?

[Strike911]

Pokemon Trainer!


Oh My God!!!!!!!!11111111

THAT IS HOLY FREAKIN' CRAP AMAZING!
New battle style!! NEW ! This is the new kind of crap I WAS looking for! ! !^_^_^__^_^_^^

happy. PLUS IT'S FREAKIN' POKEMON...!

/fanboy

/FANBOY!! OMG!

[KakTheInfected]

Meh. I hope this character gets removed.

[Eulogic]

hahahah

playable squirtle

[StarZander]

I'm morel ike... What the heck? I was actually thinking just a couple of days ago, if Ash would be in it someday... And here he is! Kind of.

I'm very curious to see if this will work smoothly or not.

[Kureejii Lea]

How weird. It's almost like some kind of remote Zelda/Sheik thing.

[Ray Falling]

Whahahahaha. Hmmmm, well I thought it would be an assist trophy...which kind of doesn't make sense actually 0_0;
Man so he's a full playable character???

I dunno about this one...*suspense*

[Arek the Absolute]

All I can say about this update is....what the fuck?
No, not as in "What they fuck were they thinking", but as a literal "What the fuck is this?"
I am greatly confused.
Learning how to use Ash is going to take time itself. I am avoiding using that character at all costs. Learning a strat with one character is tough as it is, but 3? Yeesh.

[HalcyonSpirit]

Duuuuuuuuuuude... Whoa.

Being able to control three different characters in a single match is one thing, but controlling them properly is another matter entirely.

This is going to ROCK!

[Thylacine]

I always thought they would use Ash if they put a trainer in the games, not a non-name. Part of me was looking forward to it.

At least this time the player can't just stick around with one and ignore the other forms like a Zelda (I mean Sheik) player could. Can't imagine that anyone would want to play as a Squirtle regularly.

Actually, I can't imagine anyone would want to play as Squirtle at all. A Wartortle at least sounds cooler.

This is the first one that I am genuinely curious about how alternate costumes are going to look. What will the Pokemon wear? Will they change colors like Mewtwo?

[Strike911]

... dude, it's going to be rock paper scissors thing. Squirtle will probably be all speed and the weaker of the three. Ivysaur will be balanced between speed and attack power, Charizard will be all heavy powerful yet slow attacks. That's how it will be. I have forseen the truth in my mind's eye!

I am a little sad that it's not Ash, but here's hoping for an alternate color scheme wear he's got an Ash look. :)

I hope we can hear the trainer scream out commands.... ^_^ awesome times.



EDIT: I'm kind of afraid to ponder how the Final Smash will work.........

[Mastertoku]

Holy freaking crap.

Now are Monday updates the awesome ones?

I smell a main for me!

[Antipode]

Well this is a surprise! Good, I like surprises. But seriously, why don't they just call him "Ash"? Would make a lot more sense. Anyway, this is going to be a lot of fun to play as. I guess if you keep one pokemon out too long it will get weary and slow down or something. Maybe you can't attack after awhile, so it forces you to switch. Anyway, awesome. I hope we get more unconventional characters like this.

[Eulogic]

Can't imagine that anyone would want to play as a Squirtle regularly.

I can't imagine that anyone would want to play as anyone BUT Squirtle.

[JackKieser]

Holy fuck... I blew a load when I saw this update. And I think I just did again...

...

...yeah. I did. Really, the possibilities that this opens up are amazing. How will damage be handled? After all, it seems that 'Ash' (I'll call him that for lack of a name) can switch out his Pokemon at will, so if Charizard gets 30%, Squirtle gets 10%, and Ivysaur gets 45%, will it all be cumulative, or will each Pokemon have a separate damage counter? Can Pokemon be knocked out (as in, can they faint)? Are these the ONLY 3 that can be used, or will they add more before the game's release? Does this mean that these 3 aren't in the Pokeball item?

Why would they want to have to make 3 movesets for one character?

All valid questions that I hope will be answered soon.

--Jack Kieser

[Arek the Absolute]

Holy fuck... I blew a load when I saw this update. And I think I just did again...

...

...yeah. I did. Really, the possibilities that this opens up are amazing. How will damage be handled? After all, it seems that 'Ash' (I'll call him that for lack of a name) can switch out his Pokemon at will, so if Charizard gets 30%, Squirtle gets 10%, and Ivysaur gets 45%, will it all be cumulative, or will each Pokemon have a separate damage counter? Can Pokemon be knocked out (as in, can they faint)? Are these the ONLY 3 that can be used, or will they add more before the game's release? Does this mean that these 3 aren't in the Pokeball item?

Why would they want to have to make 3 movesets for one character?

All valid questions that I hope will be answered soon.

--Jack Kieser

They all share the same damage meter, so they don’t recover from damage during Pokémon Change. But they also have another stat, which you might call stamina.

reading is good for you

[Jam Stunna]

The thing I like the best about this is that it shows a willingness on their part to be creative and make a game that totally defies expectations and norms. Pretty much anything goes now, and no one knows what to expect anymore, so it's going to be super-exciting when we get the whole package, and a fun ride until then.

Oh yeah, BEST. CHARACTER. EVER.

[Amayirot Akago]

Wow, that's pretty damn awesome. Wondering how it's gonna play tho.

[!Nekko!]

This... is fascinating.

[BigBoss]

Srsly. This is even higher on my 'play as nobody except' list than Pit was. Especially Squirtle.

[ILLiterate]

Sadly, it might be too alike to Sheik/Zelda (aka Sheik is top tier, Zelda is low tier and used only for her recovery)

[FlagshipAmadeus]

How will this work on a stage like the scrolling DK one?

[Kiyosuki]

Oh my god.

Its like the internet exploded over this.

I'm all for this though, it sounds like an extremely creative idea and it just opens up a universe of possibilities for both this character and other character ideas.

[BigBoss]

Sadly, it might be too alike to Sheik/Zelda (aka Sheik is top tier, Zelda is low tier and used only for her recovery)

yeah but who cares about that

[Fo0dNippl3]

Well this is a surprise! Good, I like surprises. But seriously, why don't they just call him "Ash"? Would make a lot more sense. Anyway, this is going to be a lot of fun to play as. I guess if you keep one pokemon out too long it will get weary and slow down or something. Maybe you can't attack after awhile, so it forces you to switch. Anyway, awesome. I hope we get more unconventional characters like this.
Smash Bros characters are from video games, so he would technically have been called "Red" because that's what the model they've shown is. Perhaps they went with "Pokemon Trainer" so that there can be alternate trainer models, maybe one from each Pokemon game generation?

[Paratha]

How will this work on a stage like the scrolling DK one?

Something like this, maybe: as long as you command the Pokemon to jump, the trainer will jump as well in order to stay alive.

We'll have to see for ourselves just how bad the consequences are for staying in one character for too long. If they turn out to be pretty severe, then there might not be a good Zelda/Sheik comparison.

[Makai]

Maybe he uses another pokemon to fly.

[Bigfoot]

Wow, very big surprise on this character. I like the creativity they put into this one. I doubt I'll use this character at first though :P

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Wow!, it totally blew my mind!
I'd never expected a char like this!
Awesome!
as for your Q
How will this work on a stage like the scrolling DK one?
I suppose he would be either flying on top of a pokemon, or on the plane/ship from "Pokemon Snap", don't you think?

[Bigfoot]

Sonic to be in Brawl? I doubt it anyway.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/the-plot-thickens/more-sonic+in+super+smash+bros-proof-288664.php

I dunno, the image just looks like it was put together by someone that works for Best Buy Canada marketing or something. Why would Nintendo use the Melee background image?

[friendlyHunter]

I'm not a Pokemon fan, but, wow... amazing character choice, including the 3 "main" pokemon (and a trainer) without using 3 separate characters. Now I have high hopes that they'll be doing weirder things with some of the other characters, in the same vein as Wario's gas-build-up and his bike. Hopes they'll replace some of Melee's (and admittedly the original's) more useless and uninteresting moves with... useful and interesting ones!! =D

Perhaps the alternate costumes are... other completely different pokemon trainers?? Team Rocket????? Heh, Team Rocket could be a whole other character, where you control Meowth, and... whatever other ones that they have.

Sadly, it might be too alike to Sheik/Zelda (aka Sheik is top tier, Zelda is low tier and used only for her recovery)
Each of the three probably has different weaknesses/strengths... let's just hope the added versatility doesn't make the trainer TOO good.

[!Nekko!]

Smash Bros characters are from video games, so he would technically have been called "Red" because that's what the model they've shown is. Perhaps they went with "Pokemon Trainer" so that there can be alternate trainer models, maybe one from each Pokemon game generation?

I have absolutely no clue what's going on in your sig, but I think I like it.

[friendlyHunter]

Sonic to be in Brawl? I doubt it anyway.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/the-plot-thickens/more-sonic+in+super+smash+bros-proof-288664.php

I dunno, the image just looks like it was put together by someone that works for Best Buy Canada marketing or something. Why would Nintendo use the Melee background image?

Yeah, what you said. They should really stop doing that ><
They should totally leave Sonic as a hard-to-find secret character so people totally go insane when they unlock him =P



[Edit]
They should really stop doing that ><
Actually... If I had the job of making a Brawl ad for Best Buy, I'd totally put Sonic in it just to confuse everyone. And I'd actually try to make it look authentic too =p

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Yeah, what you said. They should really stop doing that ><
They should totally leave Sonic as a hard-to-find secret character so people totally go insane when they unlock him =P



[Edit]

Actually... If I had the job of making a Brawl ad for Best Buy, I'd totally put Sonic in it just to confuse everyone. And I'd actually try to make it look authentic too =p

Lol, I was gonna say something similar, cuz this pict looks pretty well made:
http://news.filefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/smashbrossonic1-1.jpg

[friendlyHunter]

Naw, looks pretty fake to me. I love how they shoved the Metroid Prime 3 artwork in there with the blue lighting that comes form nowhere. And just look at those characters. Pirahna Plant? Rayman? Birdo?




Oooh, look who's on the composer list:
Kazumi Totaka (Nintendo)
That's the guy who hides "Totaka's song" in games he composes for. I mean REALLY hides. It may not be found in Brawl for weeks, months, YEARS. Read the description of this video, and watch it for a short taste of its awesomeness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OsN8mbpZRA

I'm simply too excited by this... time for some sleep.

[FuriousFure]

hey this pokemon trainer is a cool idea,
back when school was still in swing,
me and a friend were talking 'bout new characters and
this is very similar to one of the ideas we had.


pretty sweet, a non-conventional fighter. i'm excited

[Global-Trance]

I think we just found this game's "Ice Climbers".

[friendlyHunter]

I think we just found this game's "Ice Climbers".
If by "found this game's 'Ice Climbers'", you meant "didn't read the update", and by "we" you meant "you", then yes, yes we did.

[Zeklan]

This. Is. Awesome. News.

[Global-Trance]

If by "found this game's 'Ice Climbers'", you meant "didn't read the update", and by "we" you meant "you", then yes, yes we did.

Chill out. I don't literally mean Ice Climbers. It's why I put damn quotes around it. I mean it in the sense that this is probably [one of] the game's unconventional character. You don't have to be an ass.

[JackKieser]

So, I'm wondering... Sakurai says they'll share the same damage (which is good; they could be seriously broken otherwise), but that the Pokemon have another "stat" named "stamina"... is he just talking about how well they can take a hit, or might there be something else we're missing here. This could be a reference to how long you can have a particular Pokemon in battle before having to switch... but that's just my guess.

--Jack Kieser

[Mr.Roboto]

Wow..this was completely unexpected.I mean,you knew Pokemon was going to be in it..but..certainly not this way.

Awesome though.Really,Really,Awesome.

needs more magikarp though.

[friendlyHunter]

Chill out. I don't literally mean Ice Climbers. It's why I put damn quotes around it. I mean it in the sense that this is probably [one of] the game's unconventional character. You don't have to be an ass.

Oh, sorry, I didn't mean it as an insult :oops: I literally thought you had not read the update, and were assuming that all 3 pokemon are on the battlefield at the same time, like the Ice Climbers ><

[Cerrax]

I figured SSB was going to do something like this sooner or later. After seeing the versatility of Zelda/Sheik, it only makes sense that other characters would adopt and expand on that.

Such a sweet way to do it though. I have longed to play as Pokemon other than Pikachu/Pichu, Jigglypuff, and Mewtwo.

[Ninja-san]

Sweeeeet I can play as Charizard

[dsx100]

Pretty neat update. I wonder how the final smash will work for him, or the individual pokemon. If I was a pokemon fan, this would interest me a lot more. My cousin is probablly going crazy right now. He likes anything relating to pokemon.

[Sir_NutS]

well that's a nice idea.

[Dunther]

This update suprised me a lot...I still don't belive it!!!
You can use Red as a character, and give orders to his 3 Pokémon!!!!
I had a similiar idea with Captain Olimar (with a huge number of Pikmin to send versus the other players :D )

[Airwalker]

Pretty neat update. I wonder how the final smash will work for him, or the individual pokemon. If I was a pokemon fan, this would interest me a lot more. My cousin is probably going crazy right now. He likes anything relating to pokemon.

My guess is he calls out Mewtwo, or some massive pokemon. (Wait... Mewtwo may be playable?)

[Sir_NutS]

http://gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=8217

Famitsu scans that while don't offer anything new are still nice to watch.

[Dunther]

Mewtwo = Trainer's Final Smash?
I hope NOT!! I want Mewtwo as a distinct character!

[Airwalker]

Mewtwo = Trainer's Final Smash?
I hope NOT!! I want Mewtwo as a distinct character!

Yeah, on second thought, maybe it would be some other legendary pokemon.

[Ray Falling]

The final smash is probably a combination attack of the 3 pokemon a la the Pokemon cartoon.

[Final_metroid]

he pokemon change move could be used as some kind of cheap dodge, do you think hits will cancel the change?

[Bigfoot]

His final smash will be the Pokemon Trainer throwing a Pokeball at a player. As you're in the pokeball, his pokemon can beat the crap out of you for a limited amount of time until you are transferred to Bill's PC.

[Kureejii Lea]

So, I'm wondering... Sakurai says they'll share the same damage (which is good; they could be seriously broken otherwise), but that the Pokemon have another "stat" named "stamina"... is he just talking about how well they can take a hit, or might there be something else we're missing here. This could be a reference to how long you can have a particular Pokemon in battle before having to switch... but that's just my guess.

--Jack Kieser

...isn't that pretty much exactly what the update implies?

If you keep fighting with the same Pokémon, or if you change them out too often, it’s not so good for the Pokémon.

[Strike911]

Final Smash will be like 10+ Pokemon doing some giant combo attack. That's my guess.

[Broken]

Wow, crazy update. You know someone is going to go wild with this character and make an amazing combo video. Can't wait to see that (,but I probably will because this looks like one of the more complicated characters to learn.)

[Global-Trance]

If the Final Smash is going to be a legendary, I'm hoping for Palkia/Dialga to bring in a bit of Diamond and Pearl. If not, I'm hoping it could be as awesome as three possible Final Smashes, depending on who you have out.

[cobaltstarfire]

Seems like a fun, and really weird character to play.

I can't help but to wonder how Pokemon switches will be handled though.

[Strike911]

okay I have to say it...

I wouldn't mind a clone of the Pokemon Trainer. I know they've already said officialy that no more clones will be around, but ...

Team Rocket ftw!

Maybe an assist trophy. :)

[Red Shadow]

Now I'm wondering if they'll put ditto in as a pokemon this time around.

[Sir_NutS]

I wonder if you could pick a male/female trainer skin, as well as red/blue or Diamond/Pearl Trainer.

The one in the pics is Red/Blue I assume.

[Imagery]

I cannot fucking wait to play the Pokémon Trainer. Rock the fuck out.

[Global-Trance]

Four Players... Teams of Two... ONLY POKEMON TRAINERS.

[BigBoss]

Four Players... Teams of Two... ONLY SQUIRTLES.

=D

TENCHARANIGS

[Codycrusader]

And I thought I shit myself when I seen Snake as a playable character! I hope they still keep Charizard as a pokeball.... guy.

[Arek the Absolute]

Now I'm wondering if they'll put ditto in as a pokemon this time around.

Ditto was playable in Melee :>

[Amayirot Akago]

Ditto was playable in Melee :>O rly? Explain thyself further.

[Brithor]

You just didn't notice when he transformed into Pichu... or Pikachu... or Mewtwo... that's all.

[Dhsu]

O rly? Explain thyself further.
He's the character in the lower left and right corners.

[The Author]

You got it in the "Endless Pichu" event right?

[Eulogic]

You can select him in tournament mode. He comes into battle pre-transformed though.

[Airwalker]

You can select him in tournament mode. He comes into battle pre-transformed though.

Wow. I didn't know that. Then again, I've never really played tournament mode. The only Smash Brothers tournament I was in had multiple gamecubes and did the score-keeping by hand.

When playing in the Winner Out and Loser Out variations of Tournament Melee, hold L & R while selecting any character. Your character portrait will show the Pokemon Ditto, and every match you will use a randomly selected character and color. Note: This does NOT work in the standard Tournament mode.

[gamklr]

okay I have to say it...

I wouldn't mind a clone of the Pokemon Trainer. I know they've already said officialy that no more clones will be around, but ...

Team Rocket ftw!

Maybe an assist trophy. :)

How about a Team Rocket color pallette? Hat turns black, shirt turns black with a red T on it.

[Strike911]

How about a Team Rocket color pallette? Hat turns black, shirt turns black with a red T on it.

I'm cool with that, but ... I have a special place in my heart for Jesse, James, and Meowth......



... that's right.

[cobaltstarfire]

Yeah but they're from the TV show not the game, if they were going to do that the Pokemon trainer would look like Ash instead of Red.

[Trapical]

...and in one more fell swoop Nintendo just assured another 5 millions sales of Brawl

[Imagery]

...and in one more fell swoop Nintendo just assured another 5 millions sales of Brawl

what the hell dude you made me jump and think the update came early tonight

omfg be more careful about things like that man

[Bigfoot]

what the hell dude you made me jump and think the update came early tonight

omfg be more careful about things like that man

Hahaha, me too.

[Linkjing Donuts]

How about a Team Rocket color pallette? Hat turns black, shirt turns black with a red T on it.
Hat turns black, shirt turns black with a red T on it.
with a red T on it.
red T
http://www.ocremix.org/forums/sedrtgyhujikl;%27

[Linkjing Donuts]

also, good assist trophy. perfect use of the head hopping thingy

[Amayirot Akago]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist05/assist05_070814c.jpg
To the side! He’s pointing to the side!

OMFG He's pointing to the side! THE SIDE I TELL YOU!!

Seems like this guy's gonna be the bane of quite a few players, myself included.

[Mastertoku]

All I can say is I'm glad he's just an Assist trophy. Little bastard looks like he would be one of the most annoying playables ever.

[Thylacine]

I'm wondering if it's possible at all to survive this character's attack. If the entire platform scrolls away, even those who can fly will have a hard time hanging on for a significant period of time.

Wasn't this the character that was a "hidden trophy" in Melee at one point? Like, a removed trophy from the Japanese version?

[StarZander]

I wonder why he is called Devil in the US version of Brawl, and Demon in the European version... I mean, just because his game wasn't released in the US, doesn't mean he has to have different names, right? They're not that different anyways.

[Mastertoku]

How - wait.

How is this going to work on bigger maps? Like Donkey Kong's, or the Bridge of Eldin?

And if they have another Flat Zone-esque stage, this is just going to be irritating.

[Strike911]

Yeah but they're from the TV show not the game, if they were going to do that the Pokemon trainer would look like Ash instead of Red.

Well, Jesse James and Meowth were in Yellow version... Ash and pals were in Puzzle League on N64. Not to mention all the voices from the Pokemon themselves are from the show. So there is some kind of precedent that they don't mind borrowing from the show.

Meh, they could make it happen if they wanted to. Not holding my breath, but if they really wanted to they could. It's all Nintendo's property.

@ this update:

Hmm, I'm willing to bet some scrolling stages will just see a change in current direction, while others will just be shifted a little. All stages probably have a set couple of directions you can go in. Shifts down in stationary stages will be annoying; the horizontal area to get knocked out of will be the same, but the distance you can go vertically will be greatly diminished.

I doubt they would make it so that their is no platforms to land on... I don't think it makes sense to be like that... but... it IS the devil.

This seems like it has a high propensity to get really annoying. It'll probably end up bunched with other moves people hate.... like Togepi's NightShade attack.

Interesting, but... meh. Obviously, this pales in comparison to the wicked awesome Pokemon trainer announcement, but then again, almost anything probably will.




Edit: that foosball is the devil.

[Raziellink]

The entire map doesn't vanish. Check out the last photo, you can see DK standing on a platform.

[Thylacine]

The entire map doesn't vanish. Check out the last photo, you can see DK standing on a platform. Yeah, but the Devil is still pointing to the right. There's nothing that appears to be saying when the scrolling will stop.

[Dunther]

Yeah but they're from the TV show not the game, if they were going to do that the Pokemon trainer would look like Ash instead of Red.

In Pokémon Yellow there are Jessie & James...but I'll prefer a REAL Team Rocket, something serious like was in Red&Blue (a sort of mafia to my opinion)

[Sir_NutS]

I wonder how many players will recognice this character.

I used to play Devil world in a hacked 128-in-1 cartridge back when I had my nes. Weird game it was, kinda scary back then too.

I'm almost sure we'll see doshin the giant as an assist. It seems they're taking all the obscure characters to make them into a trophy.

[Baleshadow]

We don't know how long the scrolling will last. It could stay there for a few seconds, or it could just be a relatively quick back and forth movement. There's no way to tell the extent of the effect from screenshots.

[Broken]

Another interesting assist trophy. Kind of poke-floats-esque with the stage moving from right under your feet.

Well, I finally got some gameplay footage up on youtube. It took me WAY to long to get my capture card to do what I wanted and then finding the right file type to encode the movie in was a pain.

Virtual Dub basically failed me, so I ended up using Windows Movie Maker of all things. I certainly wasn't expecting it to work as well as it did, but it's capture function was actually better than VDub's. Or at least it was simple enough for me to do what I wanted.

Link:
The General (me) and Graham vs. Scotty and Icey. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQhdgefE6lk)

Feel free to critique. You won't hurt my feelings.

[cobaltstarfire]

In Pokémon Yellow there are Jessie & James...but I'll prefer a REAL Team Rocket, something serious like was in Red&Blue (a sort of mafia to my opinion)

I am well aware of that, but the Yellow version was based on the TV show, as were a few of the other games. Sure it's possible, but I think it's very very unlikely that stuff derived for/from the anime will end up in brawl, just because of the nature of smash bros games.

I too would like to see the game rocket rather than Jessie and James.

Not much to say on todays update, it certainly did get me to giggle though.

[Imagery]

also, good assist trophy. perfect use of the head hopping thingy

I assume you're thinking of the Footstool Jump and that was my first thought too.

While I'm still a bit leery of the concept of that maneuver, I can foresee it being a necessary tool to survive this trophy on most stages. Although, given that, the trophy can't last too long or else you'll run out of people to bounce off and Meteor Smash into oblivion. This also makes me think that the Footstool Jump will be infinitely repeatable, but simply difficult to execute.

[Global-Trance]

Another interesting assist trophy. Kind of poke-floats-esque with the stage moving from right under your feet.

Well, I finally got some gameplay footage up on youtube. It took me WAY to long to get my capture card to do what I wanted and then finding the right file type to encode the movie in was a pain.

Virtual Dub basically failed me, so I ended up using Windows Movie Maker of all things. I certainly wasn't expecting it to work as well as it did, but it's capture function was actually better than VDub's. Or at least it was simple enough for me to do what I wanted.

Link:
The General (me) and Graham vs. Scotty and Icey. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQhdgefE6lk)

Feel free to critique. You won't hurt my feelings.

Don't really have time at the moment to say a whole lot but you're not bad. Maybe a little hasty at anticipating your opponent's moves, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Your partner is a pretty awesome teammate, also. XD

[Codycrusader]

That damn devil dude stole Salamence's wings from the 3D pokemon games, bat wings pfft...

[Red Shadow]

Pleased to announce that so long as I don't use Ness, my friend that I mentioned earlier and I are great practice for each other.

[HideousBeing]

Whoa. Been a while. I haven't been posting on the OCR for a while now, been busy smashing and going on smashboards more often now. Here's a recent vid of me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tms3qYU_9QA Oh, and I'm Zelda.
Enjoy.

[Broken]

Whoa. Been a while. I haven't been posting on the OCR for a while now, been busy smashing and going on smashboards more often now. Here's a recent vid of me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tms3qYU_9QA Oh, and I'm Zelda.
Enjoy.

Interesting matches. Consider it commented.

[Mastertoku]

Holy crap! This update is the most awesome thing I've ever seen!

Thanks, Sakurai! I love Tetris too!






Heh. I like winding people up.

[Makai]

Yes, the ones you slap on your notebook or skateboard or whatever.

Tony Hawk confirmed.

[Eulogic]

omg tihs update totaly confirms tony hawk!!

EDIT: maaaan how did i get beaten on such a ridiculous post

[Linkjing Donuts]

ahahah stickers


i'm sure there will be a lot of them, but i'm hoping they won't remove that camera mode

[Amayirot Akago]

Oh boy! Stickers!

...Seriously. Wow.

[Bigfoot]

Haha, that's pretty cool actually. Too bad it wasn't stamps instead :p j/k

[Thalzon]

Now you, too, can make sexually-compromising one-panel comics using Nintendo characters and objects for your own cheap amusement.

[Jam Stunna]

Another interesting assist trophy. Kind of poke-floats-esque with the stage moving from right under your feet.

Well, I finally got some gameplay footage up on youtube. It took me WAY to long to get my capture card to do what I wanted and then finding the right file type to encode the movie in was a pain.

Virtual Dub basically failed me, so I ended up using Windows Movie Maker of all things. I certainly wasn't expecting it to work as well as it did, but it's capture function was actually better than VDub's. Or at least it was simple enough for me to do what I wanted.

Link:
The General (me) and Graham vs. Scotty and Icey. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQhdgefE6lk)

Feel free to critique. You won't hurt my feelings.

You guys play together well, so that's a plus. I would suggest using the shine more often to break apart the ICs, and then having your way with Nana. Overall, pretty good team effort. That C. Falcon seemed to do more harm to his own team than good.

Whoa. Been a while. I haven't been posting on the OCR for a while now, been busy smashing and going on smashboards more often now. Here's a recent vid of me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tms3qYU_9QA Oh, and I'm Zelda.
Enjoy.

Wow, nice Zelda. I'd really like to ditto you at some point.

[Strike911]

-_-'

Well, it'll be cool to see some character art from old games, although, realistically this is pretty useless imo. What's the point? If I wanted to do this I could download a zillion different images from the net and just copy-paste them together in PhotoShop with more ease and more functionality.

There has to be more to this. I don't believe Nintendo would put some "creation feature" into a game that does nothing more than waste space (and time). Sure, it might be fun, but maybe creating an online avatar or something? Maybe wallpaper for the background for the menus.

There HAS to be something more to the whole sticker concept than just sticking stickers on to a piece of virtual paper and saving it... I mean even Camera mode could save interesting shots IN-GAME... I mean, this is just 2D images that you just place... that's it?!

In fact, I BET THIS is the online component of Smash Bros! I bet you'll share these online... i bet that's what SSBB's "online functionality" will be (taking into account Nintendo's reluctance to pursue a real online gaming experience).

Now if you could make levels and place stickers into those levels (like you can in the LittleBigPlanet video demonstrations) then that's useful little feature... but... just paper? Meh.

It'll be fun to collect them, it was always fun unlocking something in Smash Bros Melee... but.. again, the concept is kind of "meh" for me.

[Inimitable]

Uninteresting update, but you can't win 'em all. I'd be annoyed if this were a Friday update, though.

[Antipode]

-_-'

In fact, I BET THIS is the online component of Smash Bros! I bet you'll share these online... i bet that's what SSBB's "online functionality" will be (taking into account Nintendo's reluctance to pursue a real online gaming experience).


Ugggh, if you're right about this....


But yeah, what they should do with this is allow you to design some kind of an emblem and then stick it ONTO a character, a la F-Zero GX or Mario Kart DS. Personalize it a bit. Maybe. That would still be "meh", just not so much as this. Now, if you could just draw freely and then post THAT online, things would be a bit more interesting. But they'd never do it.