Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Thylacine]

I wonder if the Photo Channel's going to play a role in this...

[Raziellink]

Sorry to say this, but: Most.Lame.Update.Ever.

I really don't see the point of this.

[Dunther]

Sorry to say this, but: Most.Lame.Update.Ever.

I really don't see the point of this.

Yeah...I agree...

[nookster]

personally i think it is quite interesting, it's more than just collecting and they haven't revealed the full use of it yet.

BUT.
I hope this isn't replacing the trophys. :( I LOVE those things. I can spend hours looking at them from different agles, admiring the artwork, design, en technical side (trying to figure out the amount of polys, and how it works together with the textures to create something that looks more high poly than it actually is)

I mean damn, I loved that feature. This is just.. meh. I know all that artwork, I look at manuals and cases.

Would it be stupid to fear that they replace something like trophies?

[Dunther]

The trophies will be still there, I'm sure of this...

[nookster]

No, like me, you hope this :(

From en development point of view, it makes sense to not do it agian, or change it. Melee contained so much content that it is hard to do it again with all new ones.

About the stickers, I hope do do other things than what's shown on the screens, because that's just cheap. Those are all promotional images. We've been bombarded to dead by those, don't have to see them yet again.

What would be cool though, is if there was a lot of concept art stickers in there. You know, original artwork by Miyamoto (very cute drawingstyle, yet you barely ever see his work) and other members. That would have a novelty feature like the trophies. The "cool look what i found!!" feeling. Unlike the "ah, a Strikers image, the same as in the manual, webbanners, and store promotional posters and cardboards" feeling. :D

[Dunther]

Stickers are easier to get a hold of than trophies.
That's why i think they will be :)

[Hylian Lemon]

A Rawk Hawk sticker?

Playable Paper Mario character, plz.

[Sir_NutS]

would be could if you could use these in your wii, to decorate your messages and stuff.

I bet there's more than meets the eye with these, as just collecting them and putting them in a virual album is kinda pointless.

[Jam Stunna]

A Rawk Hawk sticker?


This alone justifies the purchase of a Wii and this game.

[Imagist]

I don't know about anyone else, but this update is neither awesome nor lame to me. Trophies were pretty much pointless in Melee, and these look to be about as frivolous, so it doesn't make a difference which it is (or if it's both).

[JoeFu]

0mg Wtf Such A Lame Update This Game Is Going To Suck

[Dhsu]

Sweet. Lots more potential for creativity here than trophies ever provided.

The naysayers are just mad that they can't look up Zelda's skirt anymore.

[JoeFu]

I was just making of those people who say the updates are lame... I think this one is pretty awesome, I just hope these don't replace the trophies.

[RocketSniper]

Okay, so I finally saw those (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQhdgefE6lk) videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tms3qYU_9QA&mode=related&search=)... Damn. Looks like I've got some learning to do...

[Airwalker]

The naysayers are just mad that they can't look up Zelda's skirt anymore.

Hmm? Oh... I'm gonna go pop in Melee. For various reasons.

[mattycat900]

I was just making of those people who say the updates are lame... I think this one is pretty awesome, I just hope these don't replace the trophies.

I dont think they'll replace trophies because sakurai says "They'll be easier to find THAN trophies" or something along those lines, so my guess is that trophies will remain in the game. After all, thats the premise of the single player mode right, trophies?

[Lord.Roderick.i]

And rumor is, you can even save screenshots?!

If that's true (which I really hope it'll be), then it will be awesome.

[Raziellink]

The naysayers are just mad that they can't look up Zelda's skirt anymore.

Yeah, that's it!

[Soma]

Yeah, that's it!

I dunno about you guys but i was always partial to looking up daisy's dress.

[Final_metroid]

I think the new update is just because nintendo knows SSBB will not ONLY be played by hypercritical 15+ year-old geeks on OCR

[Broken]

Sweet. Lots more potential for creativity here than trophies ever provided.

The naysayers are just mad that they can't look up Zelda's skirt anymore.

What can I say, I take it however I can get it, HOWEVER I CAN GET IT, HEHE!

[/Uncle Earl]

[Effef]

I dunno about you guys but i was always partial to looking up daisy's dress.

FTW

....where is my Melee disk again?

[Jam Stunna]

FTW

....where is my Melee disk again?

lol bloomers

[Codycrusader]

You know speaking of uhh.... hot nintendo chicks, they need to put that lady with the big black hair-do from Boogie in there as a playable. That would be awesome.

[!Nekko!]

Am I the only one who thinks these things are going to be hard as hell to see/find?

[HideousBeing]

Am I the only one who thinks these things are going to be hard as hell to see/find?
Yes. From the look of the variety on the pages shown, there must be hundreds, maybe over a thousand of those things. Completely random little stickers. Plus, Sakurai said they will be easier to find than trophies. It may likely give stickers every time you defeat one of those subspace emissary thingies. Sort of like a coin match.
...
Who plays those?

[Bigfoot]

Yes. From the look of the variety on the pages shown, there must be hundreds, maybe over a thousand of those things. Completely random little stickers. Plus, Sakurai said they will be easier to find than trophies. It may likely give stickers every time you defeat one of those subspace emissary thingies. Sort of like a coin match.
...
Who plays those?

Everyone that wanted the trophy for 100 coins matches :P

[Jam Stunna]

Everyone that wanted the trophy for 100 coins matches :P

There's a trophy for that?

[anclunn]

I can see it now...

Oh great, so I'm playing a game and my friend is going to be trying to get back on. I'll totally be ready to edge gaurd him and win, BUT WAIT! There, over on the other end of the map. It's a sticker. I run over and grab it. YES! Another sticker for my collection. Oh crap oh crap, he's back on. NO! I just lost! Stupid sticker. Stupid stupid sticker.

[Arek the Absolute]

I don't think that they would have stickers that would be able to collected during a match between another player..

[friendlyHunter]

Nor do I.

And sure, they're small. But they'll probably have some kind of shiny effect on them like the items in Resident Evil 4.

[HideousBeing]

I can see it now...

Oh great, so I'm playing a game and my friend is going to be trying to get back on. I'll totally be ready to edge gaurd him and win, BUT WAIT! There, over on the other end of the map. It's a sticker. I run over and grab it. YES! Another sticker for my collection. Oh crap oh crap, he's back on. NO! I just lost! Stupid sticker. Stupid stupid sticker.
Don't mix up single player and multiplayer in smash. I can't even fathom disregarding a KO for some single player reward in melee. I've been playing competitive for so long though... I've forgotten what it's like to care about trophies.

[Makai]

This update makes me think that Zero Suit Samus will be playable without items. She has too deep of a moveset for rare visits.

[Eulogic]

this update makes me yawn

vine whip lololol

[Strike911]

Neato!!! I'm so glad to see more characters with this ability.

I always loved playing as Link with that hookshot... Sheik should also have this ability with her whip and all.

I always hoped that some crappy character (like Bowser) would get an awesome recovery of climbing a wall .... maybe with his claws... you know, the way Wolverine used to do it in the old Genesis X-Men games. Just sink your claws into the side of a wall and make a climb up. Maybe as you ascend you'd slow down in a few seconds and eventually fall, making it kind of a last ditch move like the hookshot or grapple hook.

Seriously, I love this, they need more "special" kinds of recovery moves like the hookshot and plasma whip ( was that what Sakurai called it?). For real.

Cool update.

Zero Suit Samus keeps sounding better and better with every update!

[Eulogic]

yeah, but the plasma whip is her up-b, not her grab

[Zeklan]

Friday better be good.

[Antipode]

What's the big deal with friday updates? You guys keep mentioning them. I don't seem to remember the updates on fridays as being any better than the usual ones...

[nookster]

They feel good though

oooh yeah cliffhanger

..

[friendlyHunter]

This one was a "cliffhanger" indeed :-x


I always hoped that some crappy character (like Bowser) would get an awesome recovery of climbing a wall .... maybe with his claws... you know, the way Wolverine used to do it in the old Genesis X-Men games.

That, or a "slowly slide down the wall" thing like you do in Megaman X games, would be great. Of course, it might also be a little unfair for certain characters, in certain stages... Before we know it there'll be a new technique update: "Wall Sliding"


So, if Zero Suit Samus's B-up is the whip, can she still do a triple jump? Will she still be able to do that "mode switch" thingy with her gun (that thing she does in the trailer)?

At least I'm now rather convinced that the Zero Suit form will be a selectable character. Hopefully Sheik will end up being a secret character completely separate from Zelda, and Zelda will get a fourth special move =D I want light arrows!!

[Amayirot Akago]

Will she still be able to do that "mode switch" thingy with her gun (that thing she does in the trailer)?Yes, she shot Donkey Kong with her gun in the Franklin Badge update.

[Codycrusader]

Wonder if ZS Samus' whip can wrap around things like poles to recover too

[Sir_NutS]

cool update.

[BardicKnowledge]

So, if Zero Suit Samus's B-up is the whip, can she still do a triple jump?

My guess is that she won't have a third "jump", but the whip will have the vertical catch range of a third one, so it won't affect recovery in the same way as it does Yoshi, for instance.

[friendlyHunter]

Yes, she shot Donkey Kong with her gun in the Franklin Badge update.
Yes, but that doesn't mean you manually switch between the two functions - it could simply be two separate moves. It'd be kind of weird if Samus lost her recovery move by switching to gun mode... then nobody would use the gun as a gun.... besides people who want to show off, or are guarding an edge in a one on one match, confident they will not get knocked down themselves. Unless the gun is REALLY good.

[Effector]

People... You're thinking about the little animation from the Nintendo World 2006 video? (about halfway through, right after ZSS is introduced)

It's just an idle animation. Different moves just utilize the gun or whip functions. There's no need to make this any more complicated than it needs to be. Occam's Razor.

EDIT: I'm more confused by this:

"Moves like that can be pretty thrilling. And it’s not exclusive to Zero Suit Samus... Other characters can do it, too!"

Others can do it too? Uh, how? Does he specifically mean the Plasma whip latch on? (like, ZSS's gun becomes an item - kind of like the armor when it falls off.) Or just that there will be moves/an item that has a similar functionality?

[Imagist]

Others can do it too? Uh, how? Does he specifically mean the Plasma whip latch on? (like, ZSS's gun becomes an item - kind of like the armor when it falls off.) Or just that there will be moves/an item that have a similar functionality?

You talk about Occam's Razor and then make up silly crackpot theories? >:3

[Effector]

You talk about Occam's Razor and then make up silly crackpot theories? >:3

Heyy. Hypocrisy is fun. Get offa my lawn. Rampant speculation is like the fuel that this thread lives on.

But anyway, the Bridge of Eldin stage looks beautiful.

[linkspast]

Well I think when he says others can do this, is much like links hook shot.

[Imagist]

The fact that he gives it a name--Tether Recovery--and says, "Moves like that can be pretty thrilling... Other can do it, too!" makes it very plain that several characters will have similar techniques. Otherwise, this would have been a Characters update for ZSS's special moves, not a Techniques update.

[Strike911]

Peach Confirmed on the site...

... for the idiots that said there wasn't enough proof... *shakes head in disdain*

Peach is lookin' cool though! It's much better to see all the detail in these larger shots than that little video we got.
The detail in the dress is crazy awesome.

[Makai]

Well this is underwhelming.

EDIT: POKEMON stage confirmed.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/peach/peach_070817c-l.jpg

[Strike911]

EDIT: POKEMON stage confirmed.


Was there ever any doubt that it wasn't confirmed?

... or was that sarcasm ?

[Makai]

Was there ever any doubt that Peach wasn't confirmed?

[Eulogic]

The pokémon level has been in screenshots for months. At least Toad isn't a full character.

[Strike911]

Was there ever any doubt that Peach wasn't confirmed?

Uh huh. K. lawl @ you.


Hmmm... i wonder what her final smash is.

[Flaming Wuzzle]

Well this is underwhelming.

EDIT: POKEMON stage confirmed.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/peach/peach_070817c-l.jpg

Uh...we've known about that for a while, actually.

edit: ugh, beaten to it

[Dopple Boppler]

Peach is lookin' cool though! It's much better to see all the detail in these larger shots than that little video we got.
The detail in the dress is crazy awesome.

I like her sleeves. They're real big.

[!Nekko!]

Yeah. I would wreck that.

[Eulogic]

And then there's this "prophecy" that's been going around on GameFAQs since Monday morning. The poster refused to give sources.

• There are 34 playable characters (excluding transformations).

• There are 20 starting characters, 14 hidden characters.

• Six characters have been removed from the last game.

• One of the "Original 12" has been removed.

• There are 15 newcomers (excluding transformations).

• All but one of the represented franchises from Super Smash Bros. Melee will be returning.

• Two character profiles will be revealed this coming week at the DOJO!! (one veteran and one newcomer)

He did predict the updates, but nothing is all that incredible about foretelling two character profile updates. I call BS, but the ideas are plausible.

[Makai]

Do Ice Climbers count as a franchise? =P If that prediction was accurate, my money would be on Game and Watch not returning, alongside Ness.

[Zeklan]

Edward Elric confirmed!
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/EdwardElric.html

[Eulogic]

I don't think anyone would be all that surprised if they canned Doc, Roy, G&W, Young Link, and Pichu. One of the originals would be more surprising, and my money would be on either Jigglypuff or Ness (in favor of a Mother 3 character). POSSIBLY Luigi.

[!Nekko!]

I will call upon Armageddon if they touch Captain Falcon.

[nohero]

Uh huh. K. lawl @ you.


Hmmm... i wonder what her final smash is.

I'm hoping for Psycho Bomber, although that's probably as unlikely as seeing Geno or Mallow as characters/assists.

[FuriousFure]

who the fuck let Nostradamus on the internet?

I thought they banned him from it when he vaguely predicted its exsistence.

[Antipode]

I will call upon Armageddon if they touch Captain Falcon.

Haha, for serious. He's the one I use the most. The one thing I'd support them changing is making the side-B just a little bit more powerful (but still hitting up). Also I was really hoping they'd add in Samurai Goroh as a character, but he just wound up as an assist trophy.

[Jam Stunna]

And then there's this "prophecy" that's been going around on GameFAQs since Monday morning. The poster refused to give sources.

He did predict the updates, but nothing is all that incredible about foretelling two character profile updates. I call BS, but the ideas are plausible.

Yeah, I find it a little bit doubtful that one of the originals will be taken out.

[Raziellink]

Haha, for serious. He's the one I use the most. The one thing I'd support them changing is making the side-B just a little bit more powerful (but still hitting up). Also I was really hoping they'd add in Samurai Goroh as a character, but he just wound up as an assist trophy.

Makes three of us. I'd hate to see Cap. Falcon go.

[Yasuhiko]

I'd love.. I mean hate to see Fox and Falco gone. It's a pity....er, good thing Fox was already announced.

[Dunther]

I don't think anyone would be all that surprised if they canned Doc, Roy, G&W, Young Link, and Pichu. One of the originals would be more surprising, and my money would be on either Jigglypuff or Ness (in favor of a Mother 3 character). POSSIBLY Luigi.

Young Link will return. In an interview Sakurai said it...


The six characters that can be removed could be:
Marth (replaced with Ike)
Dr. Mario
Falco Lombardi
Pichu
Roy
Mr. Game & Watch / Ice Climbers (and naturally, their universe)



However...the prophecy can't be right because the "Original 12" are still there...

[Arek the Absolute]

I hate that rumor. Can you link to the source that makes you believe it is true please?


Also, Peach's face is something that will give kids nightmares.
Yeeesh.

[Sir_NutS]

well that's one pretty dress.

[Drack]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/peach/peach_070817c-l.jpg Best move ever. Glad it's returning

[Broken]

Yeah, Peach is back! I was pretty sure she was still around but official confirmation is comforting. I wonder if they messed with any of her glitches. If they did, that's fine, but I wouldn't mind still being able to float cancel and stuff with her either.

I certainly wouldn't mind them changing her random foward smash, though. I can't stand having three different lengths on that.

[megadave]

Great this means no vegetable-throwing full-character Toad. Aaaaaaaarugh! Damn you, Nintendo!

Eh, I wasn't expecting it to happen anyway.

[Dunther]

Peach and her back are back :P

[Eulogic]

Young Link will return. In an interview Sakurai said it...


The six characters that can be removed could be:
Marth (replaced with Ike)
Dr. Mario
Falco Lombardi
Pichu
Roy
Mr. Game & Watch / Ice Climbers (and naturally, their universe)



However...the prophecy can't be right because the "Original 12" are still there...

yeah it can't be right if it doesn't match your random conjecture

i figure it's wrong for any number of reasons, but it seem infinitely more likely than anything you said in your post

[Dunther]

I simply think that if they will remove something they will start from the clones and than the characters that are not popoular outside japan...

[Codycrusader]

I just hope the don't take out Falco, besides the fact that he's one of my mains, I thought he was better than Fox and I mean come on... he's alot cooler than Fox

[Effector]

I don't care which clone they bork - we only need one extra-gravity-affected space animal with a laser, right? Who's used more in tournaments - Fox or Falco? IIRC, I've seen Fox more.

Silly Friday update. Sakurai usually gives us something strange to bicker over for the weekend.

[Azul v2]

I don't have any inside information, but the characters that should be chopped in my opinion are:
Jigglypuff, Marth, Roy, Young Link, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Mewtwo, Game and Watch, and Ice Climbers.

If you wanted to include Young Link, give Link an option to switch ala Sheik by spiking the master sword or something.

The reason to get rid of the Pokemon (besides Pikachu who is obviously too popular) is that now you got three new ones in the Pokemon trainer, plus you got all the ones in the Pokeball items, and 6 or 7 playable Pokemon is way too much.

People will hate the Mewtwo chop, but make him a rare chance to come out of the ball with the Pokemon Trainer. That would be the most logical solution.

I say keep a Dr. Mario level but he is just too redundant to keep him around. Make him an alternate costume for Mario if you want to.

Roy/Marth replaced by Ike, I really don't see a need to keep a lot of sword-oriented rpg characters in a fighting game like Smash Bros.

Game and Watch and Ice Climbers are simply victims of the newcomers from more reconizable games like Snake, Pit, Wario, etc.

I know it won't happen and people will get into hissyfits because they can't live without their Marth/Roy/Mewtwo but thats just the way I would like to see it happen.

[Fo0dNippl3]

As pointless as it is to argue over opinions, Azul, I don't see the logic in cutting characters simply because there are a lot of characters from a certain series.

That said, a special, rare appearance Pokemon from the Trainer's ball would be a neat idea. Maybe it could even be his Final Smash?

EDIT: Also, I wouldn't mind getting rid of Pichu.

[Linkjing Donuts]

wtf jigglypuff rocks what the hell are you smoking

[Neo Samus]

I hate that rumor. Can you link to the source that makes you believe it is true please?


Also, Peach's face is something that will give kids nightmares.
Yeeesh.

I swear on my Mother's life that I heard that, but to this day I can't find a single source to prove it.... :(

[Antipode]

Also, Peach's face is something that will give kids nightmares.
Yeeesh.

To be honest I thought it looked way way better than say, her face in Mario Sunshine, or one of the more recent sports games. I don't know why people are saying it looks so bad.

[Eulogic]

Jigglypuff is pretty much the only character I really don't want them to cut.

[ILLiterate]

Ganon is the one character I'm glad to have to shut down all Jiggly players (seriously, Jiggly players go learn another character)

[!Nekko!]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YSQuhzHE5ww

Entertaining video concerning THE KNEE

[Dunther]

Young Link will return, probabilly in a Cel-Shalding version..

[Geoffrey Taucer]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YSQuhzHE5ww

Entertaining video concerning THE KNEE

Bah! The windmill of fury (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnT_eaOVNJ4) is better.

[Ferret]

You mean the windmill of FAIL.

Only total newbs would fall for such lame and easily broken tactics. Seriously. :(

[Jam Stunna]

Bah! The windmill of fury (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnT_eaOVNJ4) is better.

Brilliant.

[cobaltstarfire]

I thought the knee was more amusing myself.

[Codycrusader]

Here's a good match to play in Melee.

Choose your characters, make it a min. stock match, chose Hyrule Castle (or any other stage, Hyrule is the best one though), let the timer run out without anyone dying so it's turns to Sudden Death, then fight and about 30 seconds or a min. bombs'll start blowing the crap outta everything. Very fun and amusing if you ask me.

[Dexie]

Watching that vid has made me realize something.

Damnit, we NEED Megaman in the game, if only for the fact that the various Robot Masters could be awesome assist trohpies. :neutral:

[Jam Stunna]

Allright, I played some matches with my crew mate earlier, so I;ll have some new videos to post later tonight.

EDIT-Here's a good match to play in Melee.

Choose your characters, make it a min. stock match, chose Hyrule Castle (or any other stage, Hyrule is the best one though), let the timer run out without anyone dying so it's turns to Sudden Death, then fight and about 30 seconds or a min. bombs'll start blowing the crap outta everything. Very fun and amusing if you ask me.

Alternatively, set the stock to 50 on super sudden death, and turn on nothing but exploding items. Hilarity and cheapness ensues.

[Broken]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YSQuhzHE5ww

Entertaining video concerning THE KNEE

One of my favorite melee vids, easily.

[HideousBeing]

Ganon is the one character I'm glad to have to shut down all Jiggly players (seriously, Jiggly players go learn another character)
Jiggz is crucial for doubles in tournaments. Ally grabs, Jiggz rests. Actually, Jiggz rests a lot. If she misses, ally jabs to prevent extensive punishment. Jiggz great for giving extra hit to help teammate recover, and failed sing can also be cancelled by a jab, falco laser, or needle.

[Broken]

Jiggz is crucial for doubles in tournaments. Ally grabs, Jiggz rests. Actually, Jiggz rests a lot. If she misses, ally jabs to prevent extensive punishment. Jiggz great for giving extra hit to help teammate recover, and failed sing can also be cancelled by a jab, falco laser, or needle.

I'm glad you mentioned that. I actually have some footage of my friend and I getting crushed by a team of two jigglypuffs. It's pretty comical. Let me find it, so I can host it on youtube.

[Redrud]

i have to say i personally cant stand jigglypuff although it was the character that got me through event 51 the first time in melee
and to whoever posted the link to the knee video
it is one of falcons best moves (along with jump down a)
thank you for backing up my opinions with evidence of another person withy way to much time on their hands

[Eulogic]

Ganon is the one character I'm glad to have to shut down all Jiggly players (seriously, Jiggly players go learn another character)

Pretty much every Jiggly player I've known...scratch that...every player of any character I've known knows how to play at least one other character. If you can only play one character, you'll probably get shut down pretty quickly (especially given that if you can actually play one character well, you should be able to play other characters at least decently by proxy).

Jiggly is (or perhaps was, given that I haven't played in probably over a year) my main, but toward the end of when I was playing, I usually favored Ice Climbers and Y. Link just for the variation, having played Jigglypuff so much earlier on.

[ncjason77]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YSQuhzHE5ww

Entertaining video concerning THE KNEE



that's actually a good buddy of mine that made that vid. His name is Shawn Tanner (aka Afro Ninja). I'm the peach that's getting the shit kneed out of her during the wall jump knees, lol.



also... if u check out his other smash vids... i'm BBG... once again gettin the shit kneed out of me...

[NeoForte]

:O


http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/bomberman.html
(http://mojo.rick-gardiner.com/characters/bomberman.html)

...


nothing to see here fake btw >.> ....

[Arek the Absolute]

That was too obvious neo. Try doing that when it is an update day.
Dork.


EDIT: Not a rickroll? Interesting...

[NeoForte]

Hey cut me some slack.....I haven't been online much this week >.>

[HideousBeing]

I'm glad you mentioned that. I actually have some footage of my friend and I getting crushed by a team of two jigglypuffs. It's pretty comical. Let me find it, so I can host it on youtube.
Haha. Jiggz dittos are great too. One doesn't dare rest, for knowledge that the other will surely rest back if he misses. Tense matches. Two "walls of pain" is fun to watch. Back and forth, back and forth. I hate Jiggz, cause I play Bowser, and if you make one mistake you'll get rested. Then there's the ledge cancelled sing. For those unfamiliar, hanging on the ledge, dropping off and quickly double jumping and singing. You'll fall but grab the ledge, so the singing is cancelled and if you sung your opponent, you can ledgehop again and rest. Gotta love it.

[Kiyosuki]

Jigglypuff has a huge following and is considered a pretty valid character so I doubt she's going to be taken out somehow. I have an increasing gut feeling though that they're going to replace Ness with Lucas. Does anyone else feel that way?

There's no real evidence to support it I know, but I just have a feeling.

[Strike911]

I dunno. I kind of doubt that they'd take Ness out. He's been in both games. I mean, clearly we just don't know, they could remove him but I'm kind of feeling that they wouldn't remove a character that's already so unique that additionally was from the first game.

But then again, I don't know what Sakurai will do...

My money is on Ness coming back, but ... that's just my guess

... anything could happen. I think I'd be a little sad if Ness was gone.

[TheCatPhysician]

that's actually a good buddy of mine that made that vid. His name is Shawn Tanner (aka Afro Ninja). I'm the peach that's getting the shit kneed out of her during the wall jump knees, lol.



also... if u check out his other smash vids... i'm BBG... once again gettin the shit kneed out of me...
whoa, i played him at fc diamond

i beat him lolz

[Dunther]

I have an increasing gut feeling though that they're going to replace Ness with Lucas. Does anyone else feel that way?

There's no real evidence to support it I know, but I just have a feeling.
I had the same feeling tonight...

[ncjason77]

whoa, i played him at fc diamond

i beat him lolz


lol, sweet. you probably played his cousin matt tanner and his 2 friends emily and ben too. they keep tryin to get me to go with them to that tournament every year.

[Broken]

Here's that team footage with Jigglypuff that I was referring to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXrxu_403Tc

[Codycrusader]

Jesus Christ! Did Bowser take steroids this time around or what, didn't notice how big he was untill just now.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb241/Codycrusader/Bowser.jpg

[Jam Stunna]

Okay, finally got those vids up!

I was playing my crew mate, Beware, who's leaving for college tomorrow. We played 19 matches, 5 of which were ROFLly bad, so I chose the best 6 out of the remaining 14. As always, comments/criticism are greatly appreciated.

Beware (Link) vs. Jam Stunna (Zelda) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPWJQnoX7UI)

Beware (Falco) vs. Jam Stunna (ICs) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbRSKHAlSO4)

Beware (Link) vs. Jam Stunna (ICs) 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O1_dBg9x64)

Beware (Link) vs. Jam Stunna (ICs) 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY8U55bc-Hc)

Beware (Link) vs. Jam Stunna (ICs) 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb-R76QpGwY)

Beware (Ness) vs. Jam Stunna (G&W) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxbULbxmUWI)

[Eulogic]

I just watched a couple (Falco vs. IC, Link vs. IC 1) before the quality and glare started hurting my eyes, but you seemed to be handling yourself pretty well. You seemed more careless in the beginning of the Link match, especially with your grabs, but you got back into it by the end.

I know it's a lot easier to say this when not actually playing, but there are times where Link's attacks (particularly his up-B) were fairly predictable, and you just took it. And, of course, there are a few places where your timing could use work, but that's true of pretty much everyone. In terms of play mechanics, you seem to know what you're doing.

[Jam Stunna]

I just watched a couple (Falco vs. IC, Link vs. IC 1) before the quality and glare started hurting my eyes, but you seemed to be handling yourself pretty well. You seemed more careless in the beginning of the Link match, especially with your grabs, but you got back into it by the end.

I know it's a lot easier to say this when not actually playing, but there are times where Link's attacks (particularly his up-B) were fairly predictable, and you just took it. And, of course, there are a few places where your timing could use work, but that's true of pretty much everyone. In terms of play mechanics, you seem to know what you're doing.

Thanks. Yeah, there were a few times when I got sloppy fingers and messed up, especially in the IC/Link match that I lost (the second one). Like you said, everyone messes up sometimes, but I need to minimize those occurrences.

[NeoForte]

Link special moves.....interesting

[Jam Stunna]

Link special moves.....interesting

You're killing your own joke.

EDIT- I'm an idiot.

[NeoForte]

You're killing your own joke.

Joke? Oh that, meh everyone who saw it by now knows the truth

[Jam Stunna]

Joke? Oh that, meh everyone who saw it by now knows the truth

Sorry, see above post.

[JackKieser]

What interests me is the part about charging the spin attack. If you can charge it in the air (and while you charge, you fall slightly slower, as if delayed), I wonder if you'll go up more?

Plus, if the bombs are made by Barnes... maybe we'll get different kinds as well. As a Link player, the possibilities are intriguing, indeed...

--Jack Kieser

[NeoForte]

Ah i see, hehe anyway Boomerang effect should be cool to use. As is the chargable Spin Attack.

[Inimitable]

"Automatically flies to the closest edge?"
Well, there's one thing that will require no practice whatsoever...

Expecting a Samus-related update tomorrow.

[Bigfoot]

It basically had me thinking Link is going to be a real bitch to kill until I read the last line, lol.

[Strike911]

man, they jacked with the way the hookshot *ahem* I mean 'clawshot' fires... hell...

it was not hard to aim... *grumble grumble*

I liked how some official moves were a little tougher to use with precision in melee. I always had the hookshot thing down and could hit it right where I wanted it every time, but I'm a little sad that now it'll all be the same n00b moves that everyone can pull off.

accessibility... sheesh. Hopefully you can still somehow get it to shoot like the old one... or else the hookshot is no longer as useful as it once was... hell, if your opponent knows you're hooking right on to the ledge EVERYTIME its practically useless.

[JackKieser]

Hey, if it's making it easier, who cares? Besides, it has nowhere near the reach that ZSS's whip has. I'm thinking she's gonna be more of a pain tether-recovery-wise than Link will. Now, if he had the double Clawshot and could scale walls... then I would agree.

Let's just hope for cheapness-sake that his grab doesn't auto-aim, too.

--Jack Kieser

[Inimitable]

I hope it's somehow coded to grab only level edges when Link is outside their boundaries, and not any random edge nearby when Link happens to be airborne. I'm sure they'll make sure this is the case, but paranoia is a force to be reckoned with.

[Strike911]

I really don't think it should be easier, because when they make something "easier" often times it takes away more complicated scenarios that you could have once done ... I mean, I'm sure accessibility to use these types of techniques is useful for people that aren't used to Smash's mechanics, but seriously,

It appears to be limiting when compared to Melee.

And now that you can charge the spin attack for added damage, I'm willing to bet a quick up+b won't be nearly as powerful as it was in Melee. This is a huge change to the play mechanics for Link. I mean, you shouldn't be using the spin attack very much on the ground anyway, but still. It may increase his jump distance though.

Those subtle changes will alter Link's playstyle a lot when you get down to the nitty gritty. May be for the best, or for the worst, but being a creature of habit that fears change, I'm in that adjustment phase. Hehe.

May be cool. I'll give it a shot. Link was my main in Melee. Fox was 2nd. Haha, but I've already told everyone that I'm going to main Snake for brawl since I'm in love with the MGS series regardless of whether Snake sucks total ass or not. haha. ^_^

[friendlyHunter]

Very happy with this update. In both a "that looks like fun" and a "that's an informative update" sense. Looks like they're really doing some fun and useful stuff with the B (er, "special") moves. A lot of Melee's somewhat useless B moves made me sad =(

The Hero’s Bow! It’s fast.
It had better be fast!
This leads me to believe that the boomerang will be not so fast. Good to add in some variety =D

The clawshot recovery... my guess is it'll still be harder to do that a spin attack recovery (ignoring your opponent), and will auto-aim only slightly. If your timing's so far off that it doesn't know which ledge you're trying to grab, it might not grab one. Then again, auto-aiming is not the only factor that'll make the clawshot recovery easier than in Melee...

[Antipode]

I'm really curious what Wario's and Peach's final smashes are. Guess we'll have to wait and find out.

[Dunther]

Link is my main...
I don't belive they really put in the Gale Boomerang, I hope that won't be too powerful (or too weak :s )
The Spin Attack was maybe too powerful in Melee, it's right to make it chargeable but I hope will be useful anyway...
Learn how to grab to walls perfectly in Melee was a challenge...I hope that this will not ruined by the Clawshot...

[Red Shadow]

Hey jam, can I contribute music to your next set of videos?

[Jam Stunna]

Hey jam, can I contribute music to your next set of videos?

Yes, that would be great. I may hold on to them until I get some good videos though, I don't like to waste good music :).

[Strike911]

Learn how to grab to walls perfectly in Melee was a challenge...I hope that this will not ruined by the Clawshot...

agree with you sir. I hope its not SO easy to do that you can't master it... I mean, no one would say they've mastered double jumping merely because "mastering" a simple double jump is ridiculously easy and .... just... it's not meant to be hard thus everyone does it. I hope that's not what the clawshot (and all the other tether recoveries become: just another special move.... not a wicked awesome way to recover because you've practiced pulling it off.

you know the instant I saw Zero Suit Samus's tether recovery I thought they might have gone with the auto target to ledge thing (primarily by means of the diagnol plasma whip). I don't know if ZSS has the same autoledge targetting thing that Link's clawshot has, but my guess is that all characters able to do a tether recovery now have this kind of functionality.

That's the first real gameplay mechanic alteration that I'm not too sure if I like. Don't really know how it works yet though, either. So more info would be cool. Now if it can home in on other things in the air, that would have some real use... I'm really curious about it all now. More questions! More questions! All in brain. Ahh.

[Hobocop]

They should have made it so you can grab characters in mid-air with the clawshot (just for a second) to kill their recoveries. If I'm going down I want to physically take someone with me... It would have worked so well with the Devil AT...

Edit: Also, it says

It was difficult to aim in the previous game, but this time it automatically flies to the closest ledge, so it should be pretty simple to use.

Automatically flies to the closest ledge = no skill required whatsoever. Too bad.

[Dunther]

Maybe some characters will do an air-grab...

[ILLiterate]

They should have made it so you can grab characters in mid-air with the clawshot (just for a second) to kill their recoveries. If I'm going down I want to physically take someone with me... It would have worked so well with the Devil AT...

Edit: Also, it says

It was difficult to aim in the previous game, but this time it automatically flies to the closest ledge, so it should be pretty simple to use.

Automatically flies to the closest ledge = no skill required whatsoever. Too bad.Too bad you'll most likely still need to sweet spot it otherwise they'll just smack you off the stage again

[BigBoss]

Seriously, being able to use the hookshot recovery well in Melee is quite a feat; but it's so very easy to counter, it's kind of a waste of time.

[NeoForte]

OMG! ROB am confirmed!

seriously this is actually kinda cool.

[FuriousFure]

Oh noes! a video that'll be impossible to load cause everyone is trying to view it all at once.




R.O.B.s! kudos to Nintendo for being awesome.

[Fo0dNippl3]

Why all the negativity towards making things easier to do?

[Arek the Absolute]

Gah, their server is getting pounded.

[Eulogic]

ugh

the world needs less petey piranha

let's hope he's not playable

edit: for those who need it, http://youtube.com/watch?v=FPo6Y7w086c

[Strike911]

wow!! That's really cool!! The scenes we've seen so far are really epic!!!

It's cool to see Rob in yet another game.

Single player story information makes me happy. ^_^

Petey Pirahnna was never a favorite of mine, but he looks pretty evil. Dude, he likes owns Peach and Zelda in those cages smashing them together. Damn, that's mean! haha.

And where'd that cannonball come from? King K. Rool?

[Eulogic]

King K. Rool?

Probably Petey.

[FuriousFure]

I want WART! wart wart wart!

[Strike911]

Probably Petey.

Yeah, but I can always hope for more DK Country nods. lol.

Is it me or did Zelda and Peach turn to stone when Petey slammed the cages together?

[KWarp]

Sweet. Pumped up for single player once again. :D

[Kiyosuki]

So much for the Princess's badass moment from the last video.

I wonder if this video is the overall story, like everyone will have some part in this (The princess's break out etc) or if this is just one version of it for one character. Like in this case, maybe for Mario or Kirby.

[Hobocop]

Probably Petey.

Has he ever had anything to do with cannon balls? I can't remember that being the case... If it is somehow K. Rool though, I will be completely appeased. I'd probably prefer him over Diddy or Dixie anyway. Cannon balls ARE his trademark after all. And the sound it made definitely made it seem like it was being fired, as opposed to spat out or thrown. But without even a hint of evidence it's just wishful thinking. For now.

Everyone, everywhere, is beginning to move against it.

I don't know why, but this part interested me the most out of the non-speculative aspects of the whole update.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Yeah, but I can always hope for more DK Country nods. lol.

Is it me or did Zelda and Peach turn to stone when Petey slammed the cages together?
I think you are right:
http://www.geocities.com/lord_rodric_i/pics/SSMB_Vid_Still.JPG
They look grey to me too.

[Codycrusader]

If you look when the cannon ball first gets fired it comes from Petey's face, so I doubt King K. Rool did it. Oh and lol at Zelda and Peach getting slammed.

[Ray Falling]

I think you are right:
http://www.geocities.com/lord_rodric_i/pics/SSMB_Vid_Still.JPG
They look grey to me too.

Well they did say that when they can't fight, they turn back into trophies...

I wonder how Metaknight fits in with all this. Since it is his ship the bad guys are on, you'd think they'd be buddies or something yet in the gameplay screenshots you can also see Metaknight himself being played. 0_0 I bet it'll be a story of friendship, love, and betrayal :D

[Sir_NutS]

neat stuff.

[Amayirot Akago]

I think you are right:
http://www.geocities.com/lord_rodric_i/pics/SSMB_Vid_Still.JPG
They look grey to me too.Nah, Zelda looks grey before Petey slams em.

[dsx100]

Very interesting. I wonder if many Nintendo villians will be involved like Petey. I'm hoping for space pirates and metroids.

[Final_metroid]

R.O.B's!! Get it?!?!?!

[Dunther]

I think you are right:
http://www.geocities.com/lord_rodric_i/pics/SSMB_Vid_Still.JPG
They look grey to me too.

Hm...you're right...strange thing...


For MetaKnight, I think that this guys stole his Halberd...
They suck pieces of universes, right? They want to stole the Stadium, than probabilly they had yet stolen the Halberd (that is an other stage)

[The Mutericator]

R.O.B's!! Get it?!?!?!

Oh God that was horrible.

[Amayirot Akago]

R.O.B's!! Get it?!?!?!No, I don't. Explain.

[Cerrax]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea03/modea03_070821b-l.jpg

Holy Squeenix, Nintendo!

[Bigfoot]

Damn, they sure made Petey scary with that roar.

[Eulogic]

Has [Petey] ever had anything to do with cannon balls?

It's probably just a glob of whatever that he's spitting at Mario. He spits things all the time. And I have never liked the way K. Rool looks. A fat, retarded crocodile? Meh.

[nookster]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea03/modea03_070821b-l.jpg

Holy Squeenix, Nintendo!

Yeah, still not buying square will have a character (least of all that Cloud bullshit) but that was exactly what i was thinking. If that isn't square... Amputated vivi
Meh, just coincidence

[Cerrax]

Yeah, still not buying square will have a character (least of all that Cloud bullshit) but that was exactly what i was thinking. If that isn't square...
Meh, just coincidence

Yeah, same here. The resemblence is uncanny though.

[Moseph]

I just realized that Subspace is also the name of that dark, mirrored place in SMB 2 that lies behind the doors the potions create. (If someone mentioned this pages and pages ago, I apologize.)

Very cool that the idea is being reused.

[Dunther]

Actually, The Ancient Minister looks like an heartless (Kingdom Hearts)...


Anyway in this cutscene there is something missing: the soundtrack! I hope that the final version will have a nice background music...

[nookster]

I just realized that Subspace is also the name of that dark, mirrored place in SMB 2 that lies behind the doors the potions create. (If someone mentioned this pages and pages ago, I apologize.)

Very cool that the idea is being reused.


I believe that was called subCON after subconcious, (mario is dreaming, there i spoiled it :D)

[megadave]

Nope, he's right dude. You are in the land of Subcon, but when you go through the magic doors, you go into a realm known as 'Subspace' (according to the original NES manual, the same one that reveals Birdo as a transvestite)

But I seriously doubt that this is any reference to SMB2.

Edit: By the way. I hate Petey Piranha. He is a total jerk, and I always wanted to fill his face with lead when he passed me on Mario Kart Double Dash. It looks like the asshole is teaming up with this Minister guy, oh well, I guess I will have to destroy them for being associated with the foul plant. Hopefully he bleeds when damage is inflicted upon him. DAMN YOU PETEY PIRANHA, I SHALL SPIT UPON YOUR GRAVE!!!!!! (I don't know why I hate him so much, maybe a shrink can explain this to me).

[FuriousFure]

I just realized that Subspace is also the name of that dark, mirrored place in SMB 2 that lies behind the doors the potions create. (If someone mentioned this pages and pages ago, I apologize.)

Very cool that the idea is being reused.

that's what i thought also but its actually called the SubCon. not subspace. although they could relate the two if they wanted.

[Cerrax]

For clarification, since some people are confused about subcon/subspace:

The game takes place in a new setting, "Subcon" (derived from Freud's 'subconscious')....The door leads to a non-scrolling, enemy-free, un-lit "mirror-image" version of the current screen (called Sub-Space) in which plants contain coins when uprooted.

[Baleshadow]

The Ancient Minister kinda reminded me of someone, but it took a while for me to realize just who he resembled.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea03/modea03_070821b-l.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/Baleshadow/art_fawful02.jpg

Now, I'm not saying the Minister is Fawful (or that I even THINK he is Fawful), I'm just commenting on a slight resemblance.

But damn it, now I want Fawful in the game somehow. He was awesome. I HAVE FURY

[Arek the Absolute]

I find it pretty awesome that Hal has their OG goin against Petey instead of having it be Mario.

Nice work.

[Neo Samus]

This really makes me wonder if Ridley is in Brawl now.

[Iggy Enigma]

Whoohoo giant bosses! I always had this joke idea for "Evil Smash Bros" where all the bosses are playable. Obviously, this is a horrendously stupid idea, as Mother Brain, Ridley, Andross, etc. would be outrageously overpowered and/or impossible to control. That, and almost all of them would be "slow yet powerful" characters.

Here's my new crazy idea: they could be non-playable bosses in Brawl. Of course, not all of them should be giant platformer-style bosses; then they would all be Master Hand remixes of "dodge huge attack, use best move, dodge, repeat." There would also be bosses that would offer a fight like any playable Brawler; these could be Dark Link, Dark Samus, Wolf O'Donnell, Dedede, K. Rool, Black Knight (FE:PoR), etc... they could be simple modified palette swaps or original characters. Again, none of these bosses would be playable, but they would provide an extra, or at least new, challenge. End of crazy ideas.

Also, perhaps the villainous playables are only unlockable after you save them (by brawling, of course) from the brainwashing of the Subspace Emissary... (Bowser, Mewtwo, Ganondorf, Metaknight) It certainly would explain why they have the Halberd. Though the idea that they already stole it makes sense too.

Another also, I really hope they give each character a different storyline, even if it's only slight differences or a rearrangement of the level sequence.

[Raziellink]

The Ancient Minister kinda reminded me of someone, but it took a while for me to realize just who he resembled.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea03/modea03_070821b-l.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/Baleshadow/art_fawful02.jpg

Now, I'm not saying the Minister is Fawful (or that I even THINK he is Fawful), I'm just commenting on a slight resemblance.

But damn it, now I want Fawful in the game somehow. He was awesome. I HAVE FURY

Actually reminded me of Vivi from FF9.

[friendlyHunter]

It does indeed look like Peach and Zelda turn into trophies when the cages are smashed together. You'll notice Peach's hair is bright yellow (even with heavy motion blur) until the moment the cages are smashed together, when it turns grey-ish and dull.

I'm just wondering... why didn't Zelda teleport out of the cage??? Dummy =p

The first time I saw it, I naturally assumed the cannonball came from a SMB2 Doom Ship... or possibly Metaknight's vessel. But it looks like it comes directly from Petey.

That subspace SMB2 thing is kind of interesting... maybe there'll be some backwards blue and black levels in single player mode... naw, referencing the name is tribute enough ^^

Ridley in Brawl? I was rather convinced of that when the single player mode was announced (that, coupled with the Ridley theme song). Playable Ridley?? Well.... Charizard can fly, no? And, umm, is also a big powerful fire-breathing (I think) reddish dragon guy? The idea that Ridley "won't fit" as a Brawl character is completely dead - but IS he playable? I honestly can't say I want him to be playable - an amazing assist trophy or single player boss might suit him better.

[Eulogic]

I just realized that Subspace is also the name of that dark, mirrored place in SMB 2 that lies behind the doors the potions create. (If someone mentioned this pages and pages ago, I apologize.)

Very cool that the idea is being reused.

No, I think it's more likely that they're basing it on the 2D spaceship shooter from 1997. I'm guessing that the Javelin ship will be introduced as a playable character soon.

[eternal Zero]

Actually reminded me of Vivi from FF9.

It's all about those eyes.

[Linkjing Donuts]

btw they didn't turn to stone

[Imagist]

Yeah, whoever's talking about how they turn gray, it's just an effect of the lighting and distance. There's a dim shadow that gets cast over them because they're enclosed in the cage and it just gets more pronounced as they get further away and blurrier. They definitely still have some color vibrancy.

[Global-Trance]

So I just came back from a trip to Texas where I got to get some good Smashing in. I got an opportunity to battle Caveman who was ranked at #20 out of the top 25 before people stopped using the National Power Rankings due to conflict over it... famous for the combo video "Enter the Cave" and also considered the best Young Link in the world for consistently bringing Young Link further in tournaments than anyone else. (http://www.smashwiki.com/wiki/Smash_Panel_Power_Rankings) I never beat him against his good characters, but I always got it down to one stock. I also got a chance to battle Smiles who is an insanely good Peach. Out of a good handful of matches, I won a couple battles against him. From what he's told me, he's ranked about #6 in Texas or so... so I guess I'm not terrible at Melee. The two are clearly way better than me, but it's not bad for playing Melee for about a year and a half. SOS and a few other amazing Melee players were around, but I didn't get a chance to play them. Maybe next time...

[Wipomatic]

Gah, I can't start my day right without a Smash Bros update. I hope it appears soon.

[Rambo]

Gah, I can't start my day right without a Smash Bros update. I hope it appears soon.

I wanna go to bed damnit. :cry:
But not without an update.

[NeoForte]

LOL

http://i19.tinypic.com/4or3xjr.jpg

:P

[Antipode]

So, I just saw something kind of odd in an IGN AU interview. You can see it here: http://ds.ign.com/articles/814/814126p1.html

Where the guy is talking about the games catered to "hardcore" gamers that are coming out, he mentions Smash Bros. Melee. Now, I'm assuming he just made a mistake and meant to say Brawl (especially since just before that he referred to Mario Kart Wii as Super Mario Kart). So, with that in mind, I'm worried because of the following quote:

Super Smash Bros. Melee is coming out, due for first quarter next year

Is it possible that Brawl was delayed to next year, they haven't announced it yet, and Greg let it slip? Or did I just miss something entirely?

[Arek the Absolute]

Gah, I can't start my day right without a Smash Bros update. I hope it appears soon.

...wow
---

[Rambo]

Is it possible that Brawl was delayed to next year, they haven't announced it yet, and Greg let it slip? Or did I just miss something entirely?

Maybe that's the Australian release? I hope? I'm almost CERTAIN they'd want it out before Christmas.

[Antipode]

Oooh, you're probably right. Yeah, hope so.

[Bigfoot]

They gave their date for the game, and I'm pretty sure they're going to stand behind their word.

[atmuh]

...wow
---

youre here too which means the same thing

[Arek the Absolute]

It is IGN....why do you even care what they say?
youre here too which means the same thing

Don't sass me atma. You of all people know that I slept late before this damn update thing even started.

[atmuh]

hehe i figured the one day i stopped back here in a while id have a lil fun with ya

well screw this the one day i cant sleep i decide to check it at 3 am and nothing im gonna try to sleep again byebye people

[StarZander]

So, I just saw something kind of odd in an IGN AU interview. You can see it here: http://ds.ign.com/articles/814/814126p1.html

Where the guy is talking about the games catered to "hardcore" gamers that are coming out, he mentions Smash Bros. Melee. Now, I'm assuming he just made a mistake and meant to say Brawl (especially since just before that he referred to Mario Kart Wii as Super Mario Kart). So, with that in mind, I'm worried because of the following quote:



Is it possible that Brawl was delayed to next year, they haven't announced it yet, and Greg let it slip? Or did I just miss something entirely?


It's delayed until the first quarter of 2008 in Europe. The american launch date is still December 3rd.

[Rambo]

It's delayed until the first quarter of 2008 in Europe. The american launch date is still December 3rd.

Glad to hear that for me. Sorry for you however. :|

Now where the F*** is the freaking update? I've been clicking refresh for half an hour like an antsy cracked up hobo without a fix.

And just to help pass the time, you gonna enter the first new FAC atma?

[atmuh]

probably not

wait why am i still here
the side of my head is killing me i wont be able to sleep anyway so i guess i might as well wait

[Arek the Absolute]

Check your pm and/or get on aim you knucklehead.

[Strike911]

Hmm... with all the info we've been getting, I'm willing to bet this next update will have very little information.

[Mastertoku]

I'm tempted to write something like "Holy crap! Sakurai is a playable character?! Best update yet!" although I know that would be just too predictable.

[Rambo]

Hmm... with all the info we've been getting, I'm willing to bet this next update will have very little information.
I'd tend to agree with you... but I'd rather believe I'm waiting up for something worth while.

probably not
Too bad, I really liked you CV submission.

[Inimitable]

Or maybe it's taking so long to update because the update is filled with ACTION-PACKED HD VIDEOS

Seriously, though. Update so I can get back to Bioshock.

[Rambo]

I'm tempted to write something like "Holy crap! Sakurai is a playable character?! Best update yet!" although I know that would be just too predictable.

I wish he were, cuz right about now I'd like to beat the crap out of him.

Anyway, I've got to be at an airport in 3 hours so screw this. I'm the first to fall. G'night suckers and I hope it doesn't disappoint whenever the hell it's posted.

[Mastertoku]

I wish he were, cuz right about now I'd like to beat the crap out of him.

Anyway, I've got to be at an airport in 3 hours so screw this. I'm the first to fall. G'night suckers and I hope it doesn't disappoint whenever the hell it's posted.
Heh... it's just crazy enough to happen! Or not.

Right then. Bon voyage.

[Strike911]

man, guess I'm going to have to wait til tomorrow to see the update. -_-

Well for those of you that are waiting for it, be extra happy if its something ridiculously awesome ... you know, to make up for my absence/lateness in viewing it.

It's a delicate balance here on the OCR boards...

^_~

night all.

*pouts*

[Amayirot Akago]

ZOMG! Miyamoto is a playable character! Best update yet!

[Thalzon]

This just in! Sakurai is dead. He was hit by a bus that flew through his office window and beat him to death with a stick. There will be no more Smash Bros Brawl updates. In fact, there won't be a Smash Bros Brawl anymore. Everyone with a preorder will instead get one Zero Suit Samus (Or ZS Shamus, if you're a chick or like the cock in general) body pillow to cry into forevermore.

That is all.

[Hobocop]

The first thing I thought of when I read that was Gunpei Yokoi. Err I was going to go to sleep early tonight too, but if the update doesn't happen within an hour that won't happen.

Edit: it's also nice to be on the West Coast

[Amayirot Akago]

It's always the opposite for me; I always wake up and wait for the update before I do anything sensible after that.

[NeoForte]

Diddy Kong!

[Arek the Absolute]

I don't remember his hat ever saying "nintendo" on it.
They are jackin a page from Terry Bogard D:<

edit: Upon further investigation, it appears that he has had nintendo on his hat for a while.
Go figure.

[Hobocop]

Soooooooo worth it. Wonder if he will be the fastest character...
And the hat did say Nintendo on some old artwork, maybe too hard to see it on SNES, unlike those giant bananas. But it's in newer games like Diddy Kong racing...

[Wipomatic]

I don't remember his hat ever saying "nintendo" on it.
They are jackin a page from Terry Bogard D:<

edit: Upon further investigation, it appears that he has had nintendo on his hat for a while.
Go figure.

His hat has ALWAYS said Nintendo on it. :razz:

[Arek the Absolute]

Ya ya, stop flooding me with IM's saying he has always had it people. I get it. I just never noticed.

Also:

<@Nicholas> it still is fucking awesome how it is kirby goin against petey
<@Nicholas> instead of mario
<@Nicholas> its like
<@Nicholas> YA KICK HIS ASS
<@Nicholas> if it was mario i would be like
<@Nicholas> meh
<+NeoForte> hehe
<+NeoForte> yea go Kirby :D

i'm a kirby enthusiast....shut up

[Hobocop]

So that's what now, three (six?) new characters in the last three weeks. I hope he's not giving away too much information, there's still a good three months left until this game comes out. Maybe this is an indication of them getting overzealous with the roster. Either way, who could have expected that picture in the upper left two weeks ago? Diddy vs Squirtle... what a great image. Speaking of which, I'll probably find it hard to beat up on Squirtle this time around.


<@Nicholas> it still is fucking awesome how it is kirby goin against petey
<@Nicholas> instead of mario
<@Nicholas> its like
<@Nicholas> YA KICK HIS ASS
<@Nicholas> if it was mario i would be like
<@Nicholas> meh
<+NeoForte> hehe
<+NeoForte> yea go Kirby :D


That was definitely a nice move on their part; too bad it looked like Kirby would get subsequently flattened.

[NeoForte]

Ya ya, stop flooding me with IM's saying he has always had it people. I get it. I just never noticed.

Also:

<@Nicholas> it still is fucking awesome how it is kirby goin against petey
<@Nicholas> instead of mario
<@Nicholas> its like
<@Nicholas> YA KICK HIS ASS
<@Nicholas> if it was mario i would be like
<@Nicholas> meh
<+NeoForte> hehe
<+NeoForte> yea go Kirby :D

i'm a kirby enthusiast....shut up

Hehe maybe he'll steal the princess away from Mario and Link after he rescues them. :P

[Ray Falling]

Hehe maybe he'll steal the princess away from Mario and Link after he rescues them. :P

Why steal a princess when he can BE a princess? ;)

Anyway: Diddy!!!!

;_; hey, only 4 screens though ;_; Usually they also show some moves right?

[Codycrusader]

Finally, after two games there is another DK character. But what a sec, how come they're updating these new characters without puttin' up profiles for the ones announced in the first video, I'm lookin at you Snake.

[Dunther]

Diddy Kong...I was really hoping this character...I didn't remember that "Nintendo" on his hat...but I still like it!!

I hope that his Final Smash would be the electric guitar =)

[Sir_NutS]

I could even hear ninty fans cheering at unison.

[The Author]

Diddy's level is gonna be a lookalike of the Mute City racetrack with elements of pokefloats as you jump from plane to plane in a Diddy Kong Racing level.

[BigBoss]

the best update the very best

[nookster]

Nice. preferred dixie though. Although diddy makes much more sense.
I want to see him in action
"Unfortunately, screenshots fail to truly capture the way he moves."
Always interested in animation.

[Eulogic]

the best update the very best

assuming predictability is an important factor of goodness

[The Mutericator]

I could even hear ninty fans cheering at unison.

Yeah sorry if we were a bit loud.

[Moseph]

Unfortunately, screenshots fail to truly capture the way he moves.

From the look of the Squirtle pic, he's gonna have some sort of monkey kung-fu. Or he's doing the YMCA. Kind of hard to tell.

[Ab56 v2 aka Ash]

OMG this means my suggestion won't happen :(

I was thinking Diddy and Dixie could be a tag team such that one of them would be in the background like the pokemon trainer, or they'd attack at the same time like Iceclimbers.

[Airwalker]

I am surprised Diddy wasn't introduced in Melee. Perhaps because he didn't originate with Nintendo, but rather with Rare. Darn, I hope that doesn't count as a character from an outside developer.

[nookster]

Now I really want an Dkc level in there. The pirate ship :D With original dkc music. But i know it will be something like diddy kong racing before something Dkc

[Dunther]

DKC2 has a great design and soundtrack...those things MUST be used in Brawl!

[BigBoss]

assuming predictability is an important factor of goodness

confirmation's a good thing

[nookster]

Still waiting for olimar though :S

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Oh man,
This is so cool!!
Yet this leaves Diddy/Dixie K.[ala IC] pair outta the picture.

[mattycat900]

I am surprised Diddy wasn't introduced in Melee. Perhaps because he didn't originate with Nintendo, but rather with Rare. Darn, I hope that doesn't count as a character from an outside developer.

Actually, nintendo took the entire donkey kong IP and everything with it when they sold rare. So diddy is entirely first party.

[Penfold]

Still waiting for olimar though :S

Same here :-(

[Moseph]

I am surprised Diddy wasn't introduced in Melee. Perhaps because he didn't originate with Nintendo, but rather with Rare. Darn, I hope that doesn't count as a character from an outside developer.

I don't think it counts as an outside dev. IIRC, part of what happened when Nintendo and Rare parted ways was that Nintendo got all the rights to Diddy and a bunch of other Donkey Kong stuff.

Besides, they don't seem to have minded using Rare's material in Melee -- Cranky Kong walks around inside the house on Melee's sunset DK level, and the other level has the DK Rap. Although why Melee didn't actually have Diddy is beyond me.

EDIT: Rambi as an assist trophy, please.
EDIT2: Argh! mattycat900 made my post unnecessary!

[AMT]

This was the first update that I actually cheered out loud when I read; Freaking awesome.

[Bigfoot]

I bet Diddy Kong is going to be a really good character to play. He's probably going to be insanely fast.

"Unfortunately, screenshots fail to truly capture the way he moves."

Maybe they gave him Drunken Monkey style fighting?! haha

[Imagist]

YES.

Sakurai, I take back every bad thing I've ever said about you.

[The Author]

YES.

Sakurai, I take back every bad thing I've ever said about you.

You are just gonna say it again as soon as an update is not up to your overblown expectations.

Why don't you just wait for the game to be released before you decide if its good or bad?

[Imagist]

You are just gonna say it again as soon as an update is not up to your overblown expectations.

Why don't you just wait for the game to be released before you decide if its good or bad?

You make too many assumptions. I've been pretty much certain this game will be good since long before the updates started. So far I've complained not about the quality of the updates, but the lame things Sakurai's been throwing in the game, which damage that certainty. But now that Diddy Kong's in, nothing can make this game bad--and I wasn't even think he should be in, that's how perfect this surprise is.

In fact, I can pretty much quit paying attention to the site now. Just let me know if he gives any info on the online portion, because that will be like the sweet cherry on top of an already kick-ass gourmet dessert.

[Kureejii Lea]

Nice. preferred dixie though. Although diddy makes much more sense.

Yeah, but the ponytail twirl might've been fun.

[Iggy Enigma]

Well, I predicted that one a while ago. Peanut Popguns and Rocketbarrel Boost and all. (Ten bucks says that Forward-B is his signature Cartwheel Attack, not that anyone will take me up on that.) It's still cool though! Super-fast Monkey-Fu Diddy is gonna be schweeeet... Though, like many others, I also lament that Dixie is now very unlikely...

WHY DID YOU REPLACE HER WITH TINY IN DK64, NINTENDO?! WHY?!?!

Also, random thought: her name is Dixie Kong. I'm now imagining the bizarre yet amusing idea of a chimpanzee with a Southern accent. Why did I not notice this before?...

[megadave]

Tiny is not a replacement for Dixie - they are separate characters, and will both appear in DK Barrel Blast.

Gratuitous post. Oh yeah, it's time for a celebration song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcP91tQ4ZSM

[Dunther]

Oh yeah, it's time for a celebration song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcP91tQ4ZSM

One of the best intro I've ever seen :D

[HalcyonSpirit]

(Ten bucks says that Forward-B is his signature Cartwheel Attack, not that anyone will take me up on that.)

Actually, I think it's more likely that it'll be his running-A move.

[Arek the Absolute]

Anyone else noticing that Snake is pretty much getting the shank here?
Codycrusader made a post that reminded me of a conversation I had with a friend about a few weeks ago. I joked saying that Snake is just a cameo character and will have nothing to do with the Subspace Emissary, but now I am thinking that that might be true.

[Hobocop]

Actually, I think it's more likely that it'll be his running-A move.

I think that's more likely... Forward B might be the orange bombs or something. Also, the DK rap doesn't seem so bad anymore, unless you take it seriously. I hope his "awkward movement" won't mean he runs like Wario or something, that would ruin it. There's a definite precedent I hope they look at when doing this (and also do some motion capture of Cyril Raffaelli :P)

Diddy's left hand in that first pic creeps me out though

[Vidilian]

Nah, I think Sakurai just means Diddy'll move like a typical, agile, little monkey. Awkward compared to other characters I guess.

As for Snake, I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't involved with the adventure mode. It might be a Nintendo only thing.