Super Smash Bros. Brawl [Archive] - Page 25

Penfold

08-22-2007, 09:23 PM

Anyone else noticing that Snake is pretty much getting the shank here?
Codycrusader made a post that reminded me of a conversation I had with a friend about a few weeks ago. I joked saying that Snake is just a cameo character and will have nothing to do with the Subspace Emissary, but now I am thinking that that might be true.

I'd guess that in classic Nintendo fashion they're just saving more info with him till later, since he's such a big deal. It'd be dumb IMO to have him in there but then not be a part of what seems like their focus this time around.

Baleshadow

08-22-2007, 10:23 PM

Snake will probably fit into Subspace Emissary easily. He is, after all, a character that comes from a more-or-less sci-fi setting, and we've got plenty of those in Samus, Fox, and Falcon (who I think is almost certainly returning). He won't be out of place at all.

Codycrusader

08-22-2007, 11:00 PM

I'd laugh, but at the same time be crushed, if Snake was just used as an attention whore to get MORE people to buy the game. But they wouldn't need Snake, they could put the game out with only half of the original characters and sell more than Melee.

friendlyHunter

08-22-2007, 11:15 PM

I still think it's possible that they're not doing updates for some of the secret (i.e. unlockable) characters. That's probably why metaknight and Snake aren't up there yet...

Mastertoku

08-23-2007, 01:27 AM

This is just a question that occurred to me, but which franchises in Melee had more than two characters from the series on there? The only ones I can seem to think of right now are their flagships (Mario, Zelda & Pokemon). Do you suppose that they'll be including more characters per series this time around, or just spreading it out thinner so that there's still about the same amount of characters per franchise, except more franchises?

Just a thought, mind you.

Azul v2

08-23-2007, 03:07 AM

Star Fox and Fire Emblem.

Iggy Enigma

08-23-2007, 03:18 AM

Tiny is not a replacement for Dixie - they are separate characters, and will both appear in DK Barrel Blast.

Really? Cool. Did not know that.

And apparently people will take me up on the Forward-B thing. It would work for Running-A too, I just see it as a Forward-B because it's one of his signature moves. He needs all the signature moves he can, as he doesn't have many. The orange bomb would be fun... as long as it can't be used too many times in rapid succession. We'll just see when it comes out, no?

Codycrusader

08-23-2007, 05:08 AM

I still think it's possible that they're not doing updates for some of the secret (i.e. unlockable) characters. That's probably why metaknight and Snake aren't up there yet...

Yea, thats prolly true because we actually know more about them than we think (that made sense to me, don't know about any of you).

Kinda off topic here, but in Mario Strikers on Wii when you play as Peach, when ever she's gets done falling outta the sky, does it sound like she says Princess Bitch, or is it just me?

Bigfoot

08-23-2007, 05:31 AM

Yea, thats prolly true because we actually know more about them than we think (that made sense to me, don't know about any of you).

Kinda off topic here, but in Mario Strikers on Wii when you play as Peach, when ever she's gets done falling outta the sky, does it sound like she says Princess Bitch, or is it just me?

In Mario Golf for the GC, she sounds like she says "no no no no! you slut!"

Paratha

08-23-2007, 05:32 AM

I hope that his Final Smash would be the electric guitar =)

More like, the boom box! :)!!

Or, going back to DKC 1, he throws his hat on the floor and jumps on it, triggering shock waves that send opponents flying.

Steben

08-23-2007, 05:59 AM

So, all this talk of the Subspace Emissary. Am I the only one who's getting flashbacks of Super Mario Bros. 2/USA?

I know this is totally not likely. But. I think it'd be pretty cool if at the ending of the Subspace Emissary adventure mode, we find out that Wart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wart_%28Nintendo%29#Wart) is behind the Ancient Minister's plots. He's tired of always being overlooked over the past two decades, while Bowser gets all the credit.

Hey, until December, I can dream, right?

Zup

08-23-2007, 06:40 AM

NeoForte

08-23-2007, 08:02 AM

Ooooh Animal Crossing music. Sounds nice. :o

Edit: Missed Yoshi. Holy Crap its like they mixed all his Mario World Special powers into one :O

Inimitable

08-23-2007, 08:03 AM

Ooh, two updates.

Though Yoshi's Final Smash seems a little... Not-Yoshi-ish?

Hobocop

08-23-2007, 08:04 AM

What the hell, they have the characters singing at the end? :S How am I supposed to not laugh while playing this level now?

I knew this update would pale in comparison to yesterday's, although I find the music rather fitting. Hopefully Yoshi will be able to spit out more than just fire though.

Bigfoot

08-23-2007, 08:05 AM

Ooh, two updates.

Though Yoshi's Final Smash seems a little... Not-Yoshi-ish?

He was able to fly and spit fire in Super Mario World. ;)

KakTheInfected

08-23-2007, 08:06 AM

Sounds like the Impact theme from Goemon. DASH DASH DASH!

Global-Trance

08-23-2007, 08:08 AM

At first it didn't seem very Yoshi-ish but it totally is. It's like when Yoshi has a rainbow flashing shell in his mouth in Super Mario World... but where is the tremor ability when he jumps and lands on the ground..?

Strike911

08-23-2007, 08:13 AM

OMG!!!!!!111
I was just playing through Super Mario World!!!!!!!!

That is awesome that they're giving the nod back to the game of his origin!!!! ^_^_^_^_^_^_^

I love it when they do crap like that! Of course, his wings and fire are WAAAY more epic than they were in Super Mario World!!!

Insanely awesome!

I'm REeeeeally liking the music for Smashville btw. Very cool! It's got a real old school western vibe. Real cool.

I'm very satisfied with this update. ^_^

Eulogic

08-23-2007, 08:17 AM

What the hell, they have the characters singing at the end?

Never played Animal Crossing, huh? That is K. K. Slider singing.

I'm wondering if the instrumental version plays usually, but K. K. Slider starts singing from 8pm-midnight on Saturday nights (hence what he means by "Heroes always arrive late").

Jam Stunna

08-23-2007, 08:25 AM

Cool song. And I know my wife will love to see Yoshi with wings, although I was hoping for a Yoshi stampede Final Smash.

cobaltstarfire

08-23-2007, 08:47 AM

I like the nod they do back the SMW with Yoshi, it's very exciting, I wonder how powerful those fireballs will end up being, and if he'll make little sand cloud from jumping or not...

The KK Slider sound bit is the only one I've liked so far, I can't wait to hear it in Brawl.

JoeFu

08-23-2007, 10:20 AM

omfg Kk Rider!

BEST SONG IN ANIMAL CROSSING!

BEST SONG IN SSBB!!!!!!!

Dunther

08-23-2007, 01:39 PM

I didn't realize that the powers of Yoshi's Final Smash were from Mario World...now I like it :D

Ray Falling

08-23-2007, 01:42 PM

I think I'm at that point now where I have enough info on the game, yet can't help but want to know more of the small things.
We're getting real close to spoiler territory (if not there already)and I really don't want to know too much else regarding new characters and all.

I just can't stop watching anyway ;_;

The past updates have been really cool btw. Doesn't Yoshi also have these wings in the new Mario Strikers when he does his special thingy?

Sir_NutS

08-23-2007, 01:45 PM

Well I didn't see that final smash coming. Pretty kickass.

eternal Zero

08-23-2007, 03:19 PM

That is one awesome final smash. Incredible nod back to good times. Though they didn't mention any indication of the yellow yoshi/shell power. That wouldn't have been so hard to add after that, would it?

Neo Samus

08-23-2007, 03:23 PM

Well I didn't see that final smash coming. Pretty kickass.

Ditto. Makes me very anxious to see everyone else's Final Smash.

Also the song very cool too. I loved when K.K. Slider starts singing. I LOL'd!

Airwalker

08-23-2007, 04:14 PM

Woah, two updates in one day. I hope that becomes more common.

Paratha

08-23-2007, 04:51 PM

"Heroes always arrive late."

zomg SPECULATION. Maybe we will have an Animal Crossing character after all.

The Author

08-23-2007, 04:55 PM

zomg SPECULATION. Maybe we will have an Animal Crossing character after all.

Has there ever been a stage where no characters from the game were available to play?

Thylacine

08-23-2007, 05:19 PM

Has there ever been a stage where no characters from the game were available to play?Battlefield and Final Destination immediately spring to mind. Unless you count hacking into Master Hand, of course. There's also some characters who had two stages (Ness) and some who technically had none (Fire Emblem?).

I can't imagine who they'd include as a character for Animal Crossing. The case has been made many times over already: every reasonable character from that game has appeared in the Smashville screenshots. Who would we control? Wendell? Assist trophies are even in question under these circumstances.

I like the Yoshi update. Wasn't expecting that.

I'm probably going to go into game detail lockdown after this week. It does seem to be reaching "spoiler territory" and I'd like to be caught off-guard by one or two things.

Scufo

08-23-2007, 06:03 PM

Heh, funny how people were complaining that the updates just tell us useless crap/crap we already know in the beginning, and now they're telling us so much that we don't want to hear any more.

Penfold

08-23-2007, 06:12 PM

Battlefield and Final Destination immediately spring to mind.

If I'm not mistaken, those were simply original stages no? I'd guess his question was more along the lines of "has there ever been a stage derived from another game from which there was no character?"

Eulogic

08-23-2007, 06:17 PM

Has there ever been a stage where no characters from the game were available to play?

Of course, that doesn't mean there won't be in Brawl. There were plenty of things in Melee that had no precedent in the original game. That said, I don't think a playable Animal Crossing character is unlikely.

anclunn

08-23-2007, 06:42 PM

I can't imagine who they'd include as a character for Animal Crossing. The case has been made many times over already: every reasonable character from that game has appeared in the Smashville screenshots. Who would we control? Wendell? Assist trophies are even in question under these circumstances.

How about using a Mii for ANimal Crossing character. Actually, I'd love it if instead of wire frames they have a bunch of Miis runnig around to beat up. Oh man, that'd be sweet.

Dunther

08-23-2007, 06:47 PM

The Miis must be something different from the AC character that probabilly be in Brawl...

Bigfoot

08-23-2007, 06:54 PM

How about using a Mii for ANimal Crossing character. Actually, I'd love it if instead of wire frames they have a bunch of Miis runnig around to beat up. Oh man, that'd be sweet.

I actually thought about that earlier today. I'd love to hear the announcer say Mii when you select it.

"Miiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!"

Rambo

08-23-2007, 07:18 PM

I actually thought about that earlier today. I'd love to hear the announcer say Mii when you select it.

"Miiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!"

hahahahaha :lol:
I didn't even understand until I tried belting it out in the announcer voice. Thats great.

Eulogic

08-23-2007, 07:23 PM

I had the idea of unlocking your own specific Animal Crossing character from your copy of AC:WW by connecting your DS to your Wii via wireless connection. The character will have the appearance and name of your character in Animal Crossing, and could be updated to correspond to changes in your appearance in AC at any time simply by reconnecting the DS to the Wii.

If you do not have a DS or Animal Crossing, the character could be unlocked by playing against someone else's Animal Crossing character online, in which case you will gain access to that character (in terms of appearance and name). Similarly, an AC character could be saved onto the Wii controller or an SD card and transferred between machines.

Imagery

08-23-2007, 07:46 PM

That would actually kick ass if I could envision the standard Animal Crossing character actually fighting in any way, shape or form.

Oh wait... here it comes. Headbutts and twirly spin attacks for A moves, tools like shovel and slingshot for B moves, fishing rod for grab (catch 'em on a giant fish hook).

Best of all? Final smash: bug net. Like Link's Triforce attack, you ensnare one character so that--get this--a giant fuckin' swarm of bees descends upon them and stings them to hell and back.

Yes!

EDIT: Is it just me or do I start a lot of pages in very long threads?

Dunther

08-23-2007, 08:06 PM

Eulogic

08-23-2007, 08:18 PM

Headbutts and twirly spin attacks for A moves, tools like shovel and slingshot for B moves, fishing rod for grab (catch 'em on a giant fish hook).

Best of all? Final smash: bug net. Like Link's Triforce attack, you ensnare one character so that--get this--a giant fuckin' swarm of bees descends upon them and stings them to hell and back.
I was thinking more:

B: Slingshot - A charged ranged attack.
>B: Net - A strong attack. Can reflect (like Ness' bat) if timed correctly.
^B: Fishing Rod - If you strike your opponent, it will grab them and draw them close to you. Also used as a tether recovery.
vB: Shovel - Digs your opponent into the ground, temporarily stunning them.
Final Smash: Golden Weapons - All of his B moves become temporarily faster and MUCH more powerful, both in terms of damage and knockback.

His attack-while-grabbing could be to shake the opponent like a tree.

Dunther

08-23-2007, 08:23 PM

>B: Net - A strong attack. Can reflect (like Ness' bat) if timed correctly.
The Ness' bat can reflect!? :O ....

Anyway nice ideas =)

Zeklan

08-23-2007, 08:34 PM

19 characters confirmed so far with soo many days left til december...
This is going to be one hell of a game.

The Author

08-23-2007, 08:40 PM

>B: Net - A strong attack. Can reflect (like Ness' bat) if timed correctly.
Nah, I see more as a "grab and throw" move where you grab the adversary, spin around and throw him back.

I guess it could be used as a reflect.

If you want a straight forward attack use the axe.

Arek the Absolute

08-23-2007, 08:50 PM

19 characters confirmed so far with soo many days left til december...
This is going to be one hell of a game.

How many is this game going to have? I really hope they have at least 1.5 times more than they had in Melee.

Dunther

08-23-2007, 09:22 PM

How many is this game going to have? I really hope they have at least 1.5 times more than they had in Melee.

I think that won't be more than 30...

The Mutericator

08-23-2007, 09:52 PM

I think that won't be more than 30...

The only official statement we have is "less than fifty".

Critical Hit

08-23-2007, 10:17 PM

I was thinking more:

B: Slingshot - A charged ranged attack.
>B: Net - A strong attack. Can reflect (like Ness' bat) if timed correctly.
^B: Fishing Rod - If you strike your opponent, it will grab them and draw them close to you. Also used as a tether recovery.
vB: Shovel - Digs your opponent into the ground, temporarily stunning them.

Heh, this sounds like an alternate moveset for link :P

Eulogic

08-23-2007, 10:29 PM

Nah, I see more as a "grab and throw" move where you grab the adversary, spin around and throw him back.

I guess it could be used as a reflect.

If you want a straight forward attack use the axe.

Oh yeah, forgot about the axe. I was more going with how you can actually hit people in Animal Crossing with the net.

Imagery

08-23-2007, 10:36 PM

Oh yeah, forgot about the axe. I was more going with how you can actually hit people in Animal Crossing with the net.

I forgot about the axe too, but I still prefer my idea for the final smash.

Bees, mothafucka!

cobaltstarfire

08-23-2007, 11:53 PM

Oh yeah, forgot about the axe. I was more going with how you can actually hit people in Animal Crossing with the net.

Yeah but I'm pretty sure there was sometime where you wished you could shovel or ax someone in the face...

Or maybe I'm just needlessly violent...

Hobocop

08-24-2007, 12:35 AM

Nah, an AC final smash would be the Stringfish slam. They already did the bee swarm thing in SSB with Beedrill...

!Nekko!

08-24-2007, 01:20 AM

AC smash will involve resetti, I think we can all agree on that.

Hobocop

08-24-2007, 01:25 AM

AC smash will involve resetti, I think we can all agree on that.

I always considered him an almost guaranteed AT, along with chain chomp and Pikmin... for some reason I thought if they made a playable AC character they might use Blanca or Kapp'n. Meh I'm not as big a fan of the series as most people seem to be though (and as was evident in a previous post, I never cared to wait for KK Slider in the game either).

Aninymouse

08-24-2007, 01:39 AM

I like the idea of Resetti, since he's by far the most violent/menacing character in Animal Crossing, and also... a mole. A mole with mining gear and a crazed expression. The first time you meet him is far more memorable than any other character besides perhaps Nook himself, so I agree that he seems the most likely when it comes to weeding out a playable character.

If they go the route of a customized AC:WW hero, then I would assume there'd be one or two default configurations in place to allow for people who don't own the game. Nintendo will not create a $35 character for Brawl that only some can use... If anything, the custom hero avatar would be more of an easer egg.

And, personally... I'd love for Miis to belong to a totally separate character slot. If not player-controlled, then definitely as NPC enemies in some kind of extra single player mode. Subspace Emissary has enough going on in the way of enemies. After all, who would choose Fighting Wire Frames over Miis? A killjoy, that's who. Random Miis would be immesurably awesome, offering an unprecedented level of incorperation outside of the Wii "OS". At the end of the day, Mii incorperation is what adds all the replayability to Wii Sports & Wario Ware: Smooth Moves. I see it being no different with Brawl!

Eulogic

08-24-2007, 06:00 AM

I've never actually seen Resetti in Animal Crossing.

Mastertoku

08-24-2007, 06:44 AM

In regards to Animal Crossing characters for Brawl...

An Ice-Climberesque due of Timmy and Tommy?

Or the Able Sisters? I bet Sable can do something with those quills.

Personally? I'm hoping Blathers. With the entire force of the museum at his disposal!

Final smash? A shark, a tarantula, a T-Rex, and Leonardo da Vinci pop out of nowhere and lay some hurt down.

Eulogic

08-24-2007, 06:48 AM

But Blathers hates bugs! (and doesn't seem to draw a distinction between spiders and insects)

Red Shadow

08-24-2007, 07:14 AM

I've never actually seen Resetti in Animal Crossing.
I never would have either if I didn't have nieces and nephews.

NeoForte

08-24-2007, 08:02 AM

Petey update. Not playable (thank god) but pretty cool boss I would say.

Hobocop

08-24-2007, 08:03 AM

Oh... I'm really liking how you can only choose one to save. Really nice idea, wonder how it will figure into the strategy of unlocking characters. And I'll take non-playable appearances by bosses anyday :D Better than them not being there at all. But seriously, who would save Peach over Zelda

Eulogic

08-24-2007, 08:04 AM

Neat update. I figure which one you save just changes the progression of adventure mode. It's probably has separate paths like Star Fox.

Mastertoku

08-24-2007, 08:07 AM

Well, sorry, Peach. But it's someone else's turn to be saved this time.

JackKieser

08-24-2007, 08:07 AM

Oh snaps! A bitch gonna die!

... I just wish the boss wasn't Petey. As far as Mario 'staples' go, he's pretty lame, IMO.

--Jack Kieser

Jam Stunna

08-24-2007, 08:08 AM

Neat update. I figure which one you save just changes the progression of adventure mode. It's probably has separate paths like Star Fox.

[obligatory Star Fox 64 quote here]

Yeah, I hate Petey, and will enjoy kicking his ass.

Ralphis

08-24-2007, 08:18 AM

Oh snaps! A bitch gonna die!

... I just wish the boss wasn't Petey. As far as Mario 'staples' go, he's pretty lame, IMO.

--Jack Kieser

Well he's a pretty decent boss for the first one you face. I'd rather they wait to bust the big dogs out

Mastertoku

08-24-2007, 08:31 AM

Is it too early for speculation to begin on bosses from other games?

To heck with it. I'll post my suggestions.

Legend of Zelda: Koume and Kotake
Kirby: Dedede
Star Fox: Andross (face & hands)
Yoshi: Kamek
Fire Emblem: Fomortiis
Pokemon: Darkrai (movie promo, anyone?)
Metal Gear: Um, a Metal Gear?
Animal Crossing: (yeah right. That's really stretching it.) Um... A horde of train monkeys!

Eulogic

08-24-2007, 08:35 AM

So, assuming they'll have one boss from each series, make your predictions here!

Mario: Petey
Kirby: Dedede
DK: K. Rool
Metroid: Mother Brain
Zelda: Ganon (after a fight with Ganondorf, who will still be playable)
Metal Gear: REX
Star Fox: Andross
Yoshi: Kamek
Pokémon: Pokémon Trainer-type Team Rocket character with Arbok, Muk, and Persian.
Fire Emblem: yawn
F-Zero: Black Shadow
Kid Icarus: Eggplant Wizard
Animal Crossing: Crazy Redd
Wario: Dr. Crygor

ALL OF THESE OPTIONS ARE HIGHLY LIKELY. ALL OF THEM. ESPECIALLY CRAZY REDD AND THE THREE RANDOM POKEMON I CHOSE. AND MOTHER BRAIN OVER RIDLEY. AND EGGPLANT WIZARD OVER MEDUSA.

KWarp

08-24-2007, 10:00 AM

Dedede would be a good comical character for the Kirby universe, but Dark Matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Matter_%28Kirby_series%29) seems more suited for the Subspace Emissary plot. I'm sure the Kirby universe is well taken care of considering Sakurai made a few kirby games back in the day.

But seriously, who would save Peach over Zelda
I would actually. :-P Zelda's got magic. She can look out for herself.

Raziellink

08-24-2007, 11:55 AM

I have to say that i'm warming up for this whole Subspace thing. I can't wait to find out how things will work out!

The Author

08-24-2007, 11:56 AM

I'd save Zelda. I'd hate to have to fight her later on.

Dunther

08-24-2007, 01:18 PM

With this update now I'm almost sure that Ridley will be in the game as a boss...

Sir_NutS

08-24-2007, 02:17 PM

multiple choices... multiple endings?

Looking forwards to that.
Also: EGGPLANT WIZARD.

Codycrusader

08-24-2007, 02:19 PM

The Author

08-24-2007, 02:57 PM

dsx100

08-24-2007, 04:20 PM

With this upadte, I think its more likely Ridley will appear in the game as a Boss rather than a playable character. To me, that just makes more sense than him being playable.

I think Petey is actually a fitting first boss. Not all that feirce but also not that dull.

nohero

08-24-2007, 04:40 PM

Subspace Emissary is looking more and more like an RPG in a fighter's clothing, if you ask me. I'm kind of getting the feeling different characters join your "party," depending on the choices you make, and that throughout the game, you can choose (perhaps at the beginning of a level/area) which of these characters to play as. Choices you make throughout the game look like they'll affect the places you go and the characters you encounter.

Ugh... this could also be like Soul Calibur 3's single player mode...

Ray Falling

08-24-2007, 04:51 PM

On thing is for sure: they can go crazy with bosses now. They'll probably have health meters that need to go down to 0% a la Master Hand.
This means bosses can be big, ugly and have a nasty moveset to boot :)

*obvious detector explodes*

Global-Trance

08-24-2007, 05:05 PM

I want Grey Fox, the cyborg ninja, to be a Metal Gear boss, if not hidden character.

Rambo

08-24-2007, 06:53 PM

Not all that feirce

What? He looked freaking badass.

Iggy Enigma

08-24-2007, 07:11 PM

Whoo hoo! I was right! Let the badass gigantic non-playable bosses come forth!

ALL OF THESE OPTIONS ARE HIGHLY LIKELY. ALL OF THEM. ESPECIALLY CRAZY REDD AND THE THREE RANDOM POKEMON I CHOSE. AND MOTHER BRAIN OVER RIDLEY. AND EGGPLANT WIZARD OVER MEDUSA.

Ooook, says you. I find a TR trainer to be highly unlikely, though, as it's a lot of extra animation and crap when they could just use Mewtwo. I'm also holding on to the idea of Ridley, as he's a fan favorite... though this is more because of my own hopes and dreams than actual theory :P

To add on to a previous theory of mine, I think Bowser, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo will be working for the SE, either willingly or not. Bowser and Ganondorf could be morphed into Giga and Ganon, respectively. As for Mewtwo... I don't know, maybe he'll have some godlike mega-psychic dark powers or something. I dunno. But I find it highly unlikely that Petey is the only boss from the Mario universe. Come on, it's Petey Pirahna! He's not an archvillain! Also, perhaps different characters will have different bosses, even if they're from the same universe. Mario fights Petey and Luigi fights King Boo, each one from their respective "E. Gadd Backpack games," but both still fight Giga Bowser in the end. (What if Kamek summons Giga Baby Bowser?! Haha.)

The theory of Wart is amusing, and actually not too ludicrous to be true... though I immediately thought of Scooby-Doo: the Movie 2 when Scrappy Doo turns out to be the ultimate villain, more as a gag than anything...

Why are you all so hung up on the idea of an Animal Crossing character? Just because there's an AC stage? That doesn't automatically mean that there's a character, too. I mean, how the heck is an AC char supposed to fight? It's just not logical.

The Author

08-24-2007, 07:21 PM

I like the idea of Mother Brain. A big hulking opponent, doesnt move, but you have to be creative to destroy it.

Eulogic

08-24-2007, 07:33 PM

Why are you all so hung up on the idea of an Animal Crossing character? Just because there's an AC stage? That doesn't automatically mean that there's a character, too. I mean, how the heck is an AC char supposed to fight? It's just not logical.

In the original and Melee, every game that had a stage also had a playable character. And an Animal Crossing character is no more illogical than, say, Mr. Game and Watch. A moveset is pretty easy to create, actually. I'm not saying that an AC character is definitely in, but it doesn't seem as unlikely as you're making it out to be.

Also, way to completely ignore the most obvious sarcasm I've ever seen in my life in my earlier post.

EDIT: Since they're looking at a lot of more recent games, Shadow Lugia from Pokémon XD could appear as a Pokémon boss. XD was a shitty game, but a boss fight with Lugia could still be interesting.

The Author

08-24-2007, 08:03 PM

Magikarp, the pokemon boss. Just dont let it evolve into a Gyarados

Eulogic

08-24-2007, 08:06 PM

Or do, if you're playing with Pikachu.

4x lightning weakness

Sgwigly

08-24-2007, 08:17 PM

Lurker here...

Given that both Peach and Zelda both become possessed and serve as final bosses in recent games (Thousand Year Door and Twilight Princess, respectively) - I say it's not unlikely that the princess you don't save from Petey, you'll be fighting later on.

Penfold

08-24-2007, 08:25 PM

though this is more because of my own hopes and dreams than actual theory :P

That also goes for about 90% of the posts in this thread :-P.

Ab56 v2 aka Ash

08-24-2007, 08:26 PM

Great, way to spoil Twilight Princess for me. I was only 2 and a half dungeons away from the end.

The Author

08-24-2007, 08:29 PM

Great, way to spoil Twilight Princess for me. I was only 2 and a half dungeons away from the end.

So, how long before a spoiler becomes an acceptable topic, it's almost been a year since TB's been released.

Ab56 v2 aka Ash

08-24-2007, 08:40 PM

When Wii prices go down.

megadave

08-24-2007, 08:47 PM

I like the idea of Mother Brain. A big hulking opponent, doesnt move, but you have to be creative to destroy it.

I would prefer to fight the Super Metroid version of mother brain. That's one ugly, mean bitch.

The Author

08-24-2007, 08:49 PM

I would prefer to fight the Super Metroid version of mother brain. That's one ugly, mean bitch.
Kraid did it much better.

Hell, Kraid would make for one fine boss, but I'm guessing they'll go for either Ridley or SA-X (which would be a suited Samus you have to fight as ZS-Samus.)

Zeklan

08-24-2007, 09:23 PM

Okay, here is what I say will happen:

First battle, you free one of the princesses.

Second battle, the princess at a castle, fights her foe. She free someone.

Eventually this gets repetitive and then before you face the super mega secret boss (Wart), you have to fight a dark version of the people you did not save.

My take:
Branching Pathways.

Kirby fights Petey, saves a princess.
If you save Peach, you play as Link in level 2 to go save Zelda.
Save Zelda, Mario goes to save Peach. (maybe even Bowser, since Mario may be MIA*)
*Ala, cannon to face and "Heroes always arrive late"

Sir_NutS

08-24-2007, 09:26 PM

I wonder if master hand will make a comeback

From the looks of it, he won't be the final boss anymore.

Eulogic

08-24-2007, 09:29 PM

Great, way to spoil Twilight Princess for me. I was only 2 and a half dungeons away from the end.

Yeah, might as well throw the game out now.

Dunther

08-24-2007, 09:32 PM

I'm sure that the boss from Metroid will be Ridley, there is also his music!

I'm asking how the characters will travel from one universe to another...maybe with a strange ship? (this reminds me Kingdom Hearts once more)

Zeklan

08-24-2007, 09:36 PM

I'm asking how the characters will travel from one universe to another...maybe with a strange ship?

Brawl takes place in an alternate world where all characters exist together.
Seems unnecessary.

Iggy Enigma

08-24-2007, 09:38 PM

In the original and Melee, every game that had a stage also had a playable character. And an Animal Crossing character is no more illogical than, say, Mr. Game and Watch. A moveset is pretty easy to create, actually. I'm not saying that an AC character is definitely in, but it doesn't seem as unlikely as you're making it out to be.

Also, way to completely ignore the most obvious sarcasm I've ever seen in my life in my earlier post.

EDIT: Since they're looking at a lot of more recent games, Shadow Lugia from Pokémon XD could appear as a Pokémon boss. XD was a shitty game, but a boss fight with Lugia could still be interesting.

I don't think it was that obvious of sarcasm. Seeing as I don't know who is who on this board, for all I knew you were a stupid n00b saying stupid things. I apologize for assuming the worst. I plead mercy on the grounds of the internet's inability to convey sarcasm. If it helps, I'm even bad at picking up on sarcasm in spoken conversation, so I'm not surprised that I missed it. (I should have known that the Arbok/Persian/etc was a joke...)

I'm just saying that logically speaking, a character from a game that involves building a world through social interaction and item-hunting seems ridiculous. What's next? A playable Sim (The Sims) or Nintendog? No, wait, those games have Assist Trophies. How about the protagonist of Harvest Moon instead? (To any lunkheads like me, the last four sentences were dripping with sarcasm.) While the idea of Miis replacing Fighting Wireframes is my favorite of the Brawl theories I've heard, using Miis or such "life simulation" games as playable fighters is ludicrous and a waste of a character slot. Nintendo, if you have to stretch that far to stick new characters in your game, you probably have enough already. That genre makes no sense whatsoever.

......Of course, I expect the argument that Captain Falcon from FZero was from a genre that didn't establish him as a physical person at all. My only rebuttal to that is that at least Cap is a muscle-bound spaceship pilot that works as a galactic bounty hunter. The AC guys are chibi anthropomorphic animal people that buy wallpaper and dig for vegetables. What're they gonna do to me, use their terrifying Rearrange Furniture attack? At least G&W had a wacky, variety-filled moveset that established him as a half-joke, half-homage character. He was put in the game for the fun of it, and also as a tribute to the father of Game Boys. He has a legacy to explain his nonsensical appearance. AC does not.

Dexie

08-24-2007, 10:00 PM

I don't think it was that obvious of sarcasm. Seeing as I don't know who is who on this board, for all I knew you were a stupid n00b saying stupid things. I apologize for assuming the worst. I plead mercy on the grounds of the internet's inability to convey sarcasm. If it helps, I'm even bad at picking up on sarcasm in spoken conversation, so I'm not surprised that I missed it. (I should have known that the Arbok/Persian/etc was a joke...)

I'm just saying that logically speaking, a character from a game that involves building a world through social interaction and item-hunting seems ridiculous. What's next? A playable Sim (The Sims) or Nintendog? No, wait, those games have Assist Trophies. How about the protagonist of Harvest Moon instead? (To any lunkheads like me, the last four sentences were dripping with sarcasm.) While the idea of Miis replacing Fighting Wireframes is my favorite of the Brawl theories I've heard, using Miis or such "life simulation" games as playable fighters is ludicrous and a waste of a character slot. Nintendo, if you have to stretch that far to stick new characters in your game, you probably have enough already. That genre makes no sense whatsoever.

......Of course, I expect the argument that Captain Falcon from FZero was from a genre that didn't establish him as a physical person at all. My only rebuttal to that is that at least Cap is a muscle-bound spaceship pilot that works as a galactic bounty hunter. The AC guys are chibi anthropomorphic animal people that buy wallpaper and dig for vegetables. What're they gonna do to me, use their terrifying Rearrange Furniture attack? At least G&W had a wacky, variety-filled moveset that established him as a half-joke, half-homage character. He was put in the game for the fun of it, and also as a tribute to the father of Game Boys. He has a legacy to explain his nonsensical appearance. AC does not.

Have you ever even played Animal Crossing, out of curiousity?

Axes, shovels, bees, slingshots, nets...there's a lot they could use to make a reasonable moveset for an AC character.

Dunther

08-24-2007, 10:01 PM

Brawl takes place in an alternate world where all characters exist together.
Seems unnecessary.

You think so? I hope it will be different...

Eulogic

08-24-2007, 10:04 PM

What're they gonna do to me, use their terrifying Rearrange Furniture attack?

Or their axe.

Aesthetically, the main Animal Crossing character isn't all that significantly different from, say, Ness.

Penfold

08-24-2007, 10:11 PM

I don't think it was that obvious of sarcasm. Seeing as I don't know who is who on this board, for all I knew you were a stupid n00b saying stupid things. I apologize for assuming the worst. I plead mercy on the grounds of the internet's inability to convey sarcasm. If it helps, I'm even bad at picking up on sarcasm in spoken conversation, so I'm not surprised that I missed it. (I should have known that the Arbok/Persian/etc was a joke...)

I'm just saying that logically speaking, a character from a game that involves building a world through social interaction and item-hunting seems ridiculous. What's next? A playable Sim (The Sims) or Nintendog? No, wait, those games have Assist Trophies. How about the protagonist of Harvest Moon instead? (To any lunkheads like me, the last four sentences were dripping with sarcasm.) While the idea of Miis replacing Fighting Wireframes is my favorite of the Brawl theories I've heard, using Miis or such "life simulation" games as playable fighters is ludicrous and a waste of a character slot. Nintendo, if you have to stretch that far to stick new characters in your game, you probably have enough already. That genre makes no sense whatsoever.

......Of course, I expect the argument that Captain Falcon from FZero was from a genre that didn't establish him as a physical person at all. My only rebuttal to that is that at least Cap is a muscle-bound spaceship pilot that works as a galactic bounty hunter. The AC guys are chibi anthropomorphic animal people that buy wallpaper and dig for vegetables. What're they gonna do to me, use their terrifying Rearrange Furniture attack? At least G&W had a wacky, variety-filled moveset that established him as a half-joke, half-homage character. He was put in the game for the fun of it, and also as a tribute to the father of Game Boys. He has a legacy to explain his nonsensical appearance. AC does not.

Never played AC before, but I don't really understand your opposition if they were to have an AC character included. I gotta say I don't really agree with your set of arguments. You don't think the character model/art style fits, but the game is already kind of a mish-mash of art direction that I don't think it'd matter. The ideas people posted before regarding potential movesets for the character seem valid. Finally, I really don't see any link you could connect between a potential AC character and Mr. Game and Watch, as I don't think they'd neccesarily fill the same kind of role. I think the character would fit just as well as any character they would decide to put into the game and it wouldn't somehow detract from the fun; have some faith in the dev team.

friendlyHunter

08-24-2007, 11:15 PM

Faith that they won't include an AC character?? Kidding, kidding...

As for the spoilers: did you really have to post the NAMES of the games? You could have easily avoided posting the names, and anyone who's played one or both of those games would have understood your statement perfectly, and anyone who hasn't wouldn't know which games you're talking about.

Observe:

Given that both Peach and Zelda both become possessed and serve as final bosses in recent games (Look, no spoilers!) - I say it's not unlikely that the princess you don't save from Petey, you'll be fighting later on.

Although, it might still be a spoiler for someone who's beaten every recent Zelda game but TP. And if someone's beaten every recent Zelda game other than Twilight Princess, you can bet your ass they've beaten Twilight Princess.

Sorry if I'm sounding harsh or mean, but spoilers are my sworn enemy. I make sure to be careful all the time - especially when the thread isn't about those games.

To Ab56 v2 aka Ash: believe it or not, that is a minor spoiler, so don't worry about it =)

Aesthetically, the main Animal Crossing character isn't all that significantly different from, say, Ness.

In Earthbound, Ness uses incredible psi powers and various toys to [SPOILER!!] defeat powerful and humourous enemies from space [/END SPOILER], but what do Animal Crossing characters do? Rearrange Furniture attack?

But then again, if Peach can fight with vegetables and frying pans, why not an AC character? Heck, Mario and Luigi are freaking plumbers, and Smash Bros. is practically named after them.

Lord.Roderick.i

08-25-2007, 01:40 AM

Here's my pick of the villains.

Mario: Petey (duh)
Zelda: Ganon
Samus: Dark Samus
Star Fox: Star Wolf
Pokemon: Mewtwo
Fire Emblem: Never played it, so I'm just gonna say that Knight dude
Metal Gear: Ocelot
Sonic: (Since we already know this ass hole is confirmed) The egg man dude
Yoshi: Baby Bowser(?)
F-Zero: Black Shadow, think that's his name
Kirby: Dyna Blade
Ness: Hordes of Mr. Saturn, never played that game either

An alternative for a Star Fox boss can be Star Fox: Adventures, yes? Oh wait, that made me think General Scales would be cool.
I haven't heard that he was confirmed, could you or anyone please confirm this?
I really hope that Sonic won't be in the game, I mean I like sonic games, but I'd hate to see him in this one.
I think one game (The 2008 Olympics game) is more than enough.

Iggy Enigma

08-25-2007, 01:58 AM

All right, fine, forget it. I just don't like AC, and think that having a Brawl character from that game would be stupid. Obviously, my personal opinion does not count as a viable reason for a character existing or not, so I'll drop this argument and just silently hope that it doesn't happen.

Hum4n After All

08-25-2007, 02:20 AM

An Animal Crossing character playable in SSBB?
That would be lame and would just simply not work.
But who knows.
They made unlikely characters fight in the series.
And they turned out pretty damn well.
Nintendo is old and mysterious.
They are probably like the modern day Adeptus Mechanicus.

cobaltstarfire

08-25-2007, 03:17 AM

I dunno if this has been posted here before but.

Show Me Your Moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ER1zpg_F4)

Linkjing Donuts

08-25-2007, 03:47 AM

I dunno if this has been posted here before but.

Show Me Your Moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ER1zpg_F4)
hahahhaha amazing

Global-Trance

08-25-2007, 03:58 AM

It took me awhile to realize that they were saying "Show me your moves" along with the music.

Ciel

08-25-2007, 04:54 AM

How about the protagonist of Harvest Moon instead?

I would play as Jack.

Codycrusader

08-25-2007, 07:16 AM

I haven't heard that he was confirmed, could you or anyone please confirm this?
I really hope that Sonic won't be in the game, I mean I like sonic games, but I'd hate to see him in this one.
I think one game (The 2008 Olympics game) is more than enough.

I only said that because he's the most requested character and Nintendo listens to their fans. On another note, wow... this thread is leaking sarcasm. That could be a new character, SARCASM!!! Ok, I'll shut up now...

Bigfoot

08-25-2007, 07:29 AM

I only said that because he's the most requested character and Nintendo listens to their fans. On another note, wow... this thread is leaking sarcasm. That could be a new character, SARCASM!!! Ok, I'll shut up now...

But Smash is all about "Nintendo's Biggest Stars", and Sonic isn't really a star of Nintendo.

Nothing against the Sonic fans, but he shouldn't be in Smash.

Binjovi

08-25-2007, 07:51 AM

But Smash is all about "Nintendo's Biggest Stars", and Sonic isn't really a star of Nintendo.

Nothing against the Sonic fans, but he shouldn't be in Smash.

Would you say the same of Solid Snake? He's not one of "Nintendo's Biggest Stars" either. Although I'll give you that he started out on Nintendo and Sonic didn't.

I think Smash Bros. is more of a fan service than anything else, honestly. And since Sonic's inclusion would please many, many fans, it seems there's a fairly good chance he'll get in. I really won't care either way since I'll be playing Samus regardless.

Bigfoot

08-25-2007, 07:54 AM

Would you say the same of Solid Snake? He's not one of "Nintendo's Biggest Stars" either. Although I'll give you that he started out on Nintendo and Sonic didn't.

I think Smash Bros. is more of a fan service than anything else, honestly. And since Sonic's inclusion would please many, many fans, it seems there's a fairly good chance he'll get in. I really won't care either way since I'll be playing Samus regardless.

I knew that would be brought up, and you already said my answer(about him being with Nintendo first) :P

Linkjing Donuts

08-25-2007, 08:10 AM

ten bucks says someone will post complaining about how they're late with an update and they won't go to sleep without it

Imagery

08-25-2007, 08:25 AM

they're late with the update and I won't go to sleep without it

fuck that I'm going to sleep

Strike911

08-25-2007, 08:35 AM

I knew that would be brought up, and you already said my answer(about him being with Nintendo first) :P

well technically wasn't it the MSX first?

Edit: Well, I think if we see Mario and Sonic together in an Olympics game and NOT in Smash Bros, that would be a travesty!!!!
The IGN guys that write for the Wii section think it's a no-brainer that Sonic will be in the game. I don't really like IGN with all their published speculation though. Hmmm... well, if Sonic WAS in Smash it would be the first good game the character has seen in quite a long time. Haha.

*caresses Sonic Adventure GD-ROM*

Vyse the Three Eyes

08-25-2007, 11:51 AM

they're late with the update and I won't go to sleep without it

fuck that I'm going to sleep

You must need it, considering it's a Saturday.

Imagery

08-25-2007, 05:01 PM

You must need it, considering it's a Saturday.

You fail at finding hidden text.

EDIT: Seriously, what the hell is with me and starting new pages?

Eulogic

08-25-2007, 05:04 PM

In Earthbound, Ness uses incredible psi powers and various toys to defeat powerful and humourous enemies from space, but what do Animal Crossing characters do? Rearrange Furniture attack?

I meant in terms of appearance, dick. They are both ill-proportioned cute little kids with big heads.

Neonlare

08-25-2007, 06:18 PM

Back from Crete, it sucked.

But these updates don't :p. Diddy Kong, K.K. Slider, and more on the SubSpace. Shame this is coming to Europe on the 1st quarter of 2008 :(. Better be real early quarter at that too :S.

Anyhow, Anyone here get the feeling that maybe Totakeke might become a playable? The phrase "Heroes always arrive late" sounds like it could be hinting to something... NFP :O.

Codycrusader

08-25-2007, 06:27 PM

Zup

08-25-2007, 06:50 PM

That's, like, the best speculative comment on an Animal crossing character I have yet to hear dude

Except that we already know that he's featured in the background of a stage.

Which is why I don't think he'll be a playavble character.

Strike911

08-25-2007, 07:04 PM

I just don't get the arguments that say "X character has no attacks thus its relatively impossible for them to be in Smash?! OMGZZ!!" I mean half of all the attacks in Smash Brothers are made up FOR Smash Bros, maybe even 75%.

Heck, Fox was only in an Arwing (with the exception of the StarFox 64 crappy 3rd person character multiplayer mode). He couldn't kick, he couldn't flip, he couldn't reflect things. He couldn't say "COME ON!" Nor could he do a little dash attack. NOR was it canon that he was speedy.

Same goes for Captain Falcon. Falcon Punch is like the most awesome move ever, but it never originated from the F-Zero series.

All of the above personalities were fleshed out by the Smash Bros series, and there are plenty more. Almost all of them have been with a few exceptions being Link, Pikachu, and Mario since they all follow their original molds.

They could quite literally take an Animal Crossing character and make them do anything. Totakeke could attack with a guitar. An AC character (if one in fact is playable) could do anything.

It's still up in the air if a character will show up, though.

I seriously wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing levels in Brawl from a variety of games whose characters aren't represented on the playable characters list.

Frizy231

08-25-2007, 07:20 PM

Imagery

08-25-2007, 07:27 PM

Dunther

08-25-2007, 07:33 PM

o.O ???????

Ferret

08-25-2007, 07:54 PM

I've told this to a guy on IRC who claims to have a screenshot of the character select screen featuring Wind Waker Link and I'll say it here:

IF IT'S NOT IN THE OFFICIAL UPDATE IT IS NOT CONFIRMED.

STOP SPECULATING AND WAIT UNTIL DECEMBER.

Makai

08-25-2007, 08:34 PM

Crates and Barrels confirmed!

hmmm...

http://www.maj.com/gallery/Makai/Profile/spiderman3.pnghttp://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/YipeeSkadoo/Bunny/Dance.gif

Arek the Absolute

08-25-2007, 09:36 PM

Linkjing Donuts

08-25-2007, 09:44 PM

wow, you guys... I"m a nerd for this stuff, e3 for 08 brawl will be out. so they should have a reveiw for it. it's coming out 12.3.07 just in time for the holidays. And the official site that has updates every week day will tell you all about it, from characters, stages, to even the music in the game. They have samples. :D There are so many new things, it'll take a long time to get threw all of it, if you havn't seen it. It's awesome. I can take up to 3-5 pages updating this thread for the game! Click below to go there now!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html

This should solve questioning and arguments. Anything you got, this will either answere, even if it's not there that tellse you it won't be in the game, but they don't tell you everything, that ruins it... now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and play super metroid. :)

.......ahahahahahhaahHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

thank god you came and told us about this. GUYS, MARIO IS GONNA BE IN BRAWL WTF WHEN DID THEY LET FIRST PARTY COMPANYS INTO THIS

Arek the Absolute

08-25-2007, 10:04 PM

wow, you guys... I"m a nerd for this stuff, e3 for 08 brawl will be out. so they should have a reveiw for it. it's coming out 12.3.07 just in time for the holidays. And the official site that has updates every week day will tell you all about it, from characters, stages, to even the music in the game. They have samples. :D There are so many new things, it'll take a long time to get threw all of it, if you havn't seen it. It's awesome. I can take up to 3-5 pages updating this thread for the game! Click below to go there now!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html

This should solve questioning and arguments. Anything you got, this will either answere, even if it's not there that tellse you it won't be in the game, but they don't tell you everything, that ruins it... now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and play super metroid. :)

Hi there! You must be new, so you probably didn't read any of the thread so far.

Thanks for the tip, but we have been using that site before they have been posting updates, so we are pretty current on what the site has shown.

I highly recommend reading through at least the last 15 pages of this thread so you can get a grasp of how it has been flowing before posting again in it. It isn't a suggestion to keep you out, but rather so that you can get some feel on how the flow is so you don't get jumped on for making a similar post later on.

Codycrusader

08-25-2007, 10:38 PM

Except that we already know that he's featured in the background of a stage.

Which is why I don't think he'll be a playavble character.

Just because a character is the background doesn't mean you can't play as him/her. I'm sure there is a way to make it so if you chose, say Buzz from Animal Crossing, the game will realize he's being played so the game won't put him in the background, because if a damn robot can build a car or a phone can transer voicemail into a written text, I know it can realize that the character is being played

Triad Orion

08-25-2007, 11:28 PM

I knew that would be brought up, and you already said my answer(about him [Solid Snake] being with Nintendo first) :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear

I don't want to sound pretentious, but actually Snake didn't start out on Nintendo systems. His first appearance was actually on a separate console all together and Metal Gear on the NES was a rehashing of it. Though the NES game is what made him mainstream, he didn't start on a Nintendo system. Not to speculate, but logically, Sonic could make the same leap.

Just wanted to put that out there.

Frizy231

08-26-2007, 02:18 AM

What... the hell?

Either the dumbest n00b or the strangest bot I've ever seen.
lol, I didn't read all of it. Just some of the replies here, it seemed kinda clueless. anyway, I am a noob, I'd like you to know and proud! :grin: I guess stravge also works but I'd rather go with wierd. :<

Strike911

08-26-2007, 03:08 AM

FuriousFure

08-26-2007, 04:06 AM

Okay, I don't know if anyone else saw this, and sorry if this is old news, but did you guys know that SSB:Brawl is using the Havok physics engine?

http://www.havok.com/content/blogcategory/37/78/

I wonder how that'll affect the game, if it will at all.

Sorry if this is old news, i didn't know so I figure some other die-hard smash fans wouldn't know either.

I wonder if we'll see some interesting physics being applied.

I heard about that awhile ago.

seem like this Smash Bros might not "feel" like the others. hopefully the gameplay has kept intact.

I have no worries though. if anything, it'll help get rid of some of the glitches or make a bunch of new ones. ethier or

Dunther

08-26-2007, 04:12 AM

Wooo the Havock in Smash?! This is really good...but Smash have its own fisics...

anclunn

08-26-2007, 04:27 AM

Just because a character is the background doesn't mean you can't play as him/her. I'm sure there is a way to make it so if you chose, say Buzz from Animal Crossing, the game will realize he's being played so the game won't put him in the background, because if a damn robot can build a car or a phone can transer voicemail into a written text, I know it can realize that the character is being played

Dude, I saw pokemon trainer in the background so he must not be a playable character.

EDIT - Dang it, my sarcasm is totally lost when it's the first post of a new page.

Rambo

08-26-2007, 04:37 AM

Dude, I saw pokemon trainer in the background so he must not be a playable character.

I see what you did there :)!!

Global-Trance

08-26-2007, 04:54 AM

lol stop trying to act cool
gt and i have been saying this for months

Wait. I haven't really been saying this. Though I do think that nothing is for sure unless it shows up on the site. They're all fascinating updates... though it's stuff I don't necessarily get all fanboy-ish or all hard ass about. It's just game updates lol.

Arek the Absolute

08-26-2007, 04:57 AM

eh, you probably said something similar at the socal meet up cause im sure you said something to the lines of just going with what is official

oooh i remember, it had to do with the cloud crap
lulz ya nm i was thinking of the cloud controversy

Cerrax

08-26-2007, 05:39 AM

Okay, I don't know if anyone else saw this, and sorry if this is old news, but did you guys know that SSB:Brawl is using the Havok physics engine?

http://www.havok.com/content/blogcategory/37/78/

I wonder how that'll affect the game, if it will at all.

Sorry if this is old news, i didn't know so I figure some other die-hard smash fans wouldn't know either.

I wonder if we'll see some interesting physics being applied.

Hmmm, that could mean wavedashing is gone, since I don't recall the Havok engine having problems with frictionless surfaces.

EDIT: Maybe not. It may just use Havok FX or Havok Animation and not the actual physics engine. The list on that website says that the titles use some of the Havok products, not all of them.

Zup

08-26-2007, 07:08 AM

Dude, I saw pokemon trainer in the background so he must not be a playable character.

EDIT - Dang it, my sarcasm is totally lost when it's the first post of a new page.

Yes, because Totakeke can summon three animals that change when you press down-B!

Oh wait, no...

And the fact that Sakurai explicitly stated that Totakeke will appear at 8 o'clock on Saturdays means to me that he WON'T be a playable character.

But then again, this is my opinion. I love AC, and I expect an AC character to show up (probably a generic man/woman character, with shovel/axe/fishing rod/net attacks), just not Totakeke. After all, if K.K. Slider was a character, what attacks would he have?

I-n-j-i-n

08-26-2007, 07:18 AM

Late to post about it, but I'm so happy Diddy Kong is in the game. Suck it to all the faggots bashing DKC games.

Oddllama

08-26-2007, 07:39 AM

Hey.

I enjoy bashing DKC games.

This addition merely allows me to injure another trite character from the franchise.

Imagery

08-26-2007, 07:57 AM

Late to post about it, but I'm so happy Diddy Kong is in the game. Suck it to all the faggots bashing DKC games.

Introducing Diddy was the only lasting worthwhile thing DKC ever did.

DKC 2 is another matter entirely, though.

Rambo

08-26-2007, 08:27 AM

Yes, because Totakeke can summon three animals that change when you press down-B!

Oh wait, no...

And the fact that Sakurai explicitly stated that Totakeke will appear at 8 o'clock on Saturdays means to me that he WON'T be a playable character.

But then again, this is my opinion. I love AC, and I expect an AC character to show up (probably a generic man/woman character, with shovel/axe/fishing rod/net attacks), just not Totakeke. After all, if K.K. Slider was a character, what attacks would he have?

uh....

EDIT - Dang it, my sarcasm is totally lost when it's the first post of a new page.

..yeah

Raziellink

08-26-2007, 11:28 AM

Introducing Diddy was the only lasting worthwhile thing DKC ever did.

DKC 2 is another matter entirely, though.

So, you're saying that DKC2 sucked?

Imagery

08-26-2007, 05:32 PM

So, you're saying that DKC2 sucked?

If DKC had no value except for one of its characters, but DKC 2 was another matter, do you honestly think that's what I'm saying?

BigBoss

08-26-2007, 07:26 PM

anyone who thinks that any of the DKC games sucked needs to fucking die anyways

Raziellink

08-26-2007, 07:38 PM

If DKC had no value except for one of its characters, but DKC 2 was another matter, do you honestly think that's what I'm saying?

Ah, sorry. Misunderstood what you said there.

Mastertoku

08-26-2007, 08:51 PM

As far as Animal Crossing goes, making movesets or attacks is honestly not a problem for Nintendo. Off the top of my head, I can name three of Mr. Game & Watch's attacks that were really, really stretching it... Perhaps the snapping turtle? Or the bug spray? Or the miraculous appearance of a diver's helmet?

On that note, they really have a multitude of characters to choose from, as all of them are, technically, possible. I mean, they actually had an attack where you could throw turnips in Melee. Sow Joan, anyone? Heck, Katrina could even use dark magic and I don't think anyone would have a problem with it. The only person I would think might be defenseless would be Lyle, the insurance salesman. Though he might be able to use Powers of Annoyance, or something.

I'm hoping for Pete, Mr. Resetti, Tortimer (Super Tortimer!), Sable, or - my personal favorite - Blathers. That is, if there's going to be a character from Animal Crossing at all.

That being said, I must now write the obligatory sarcastic desperate speculation.

SAKURAI SAID "HEROES ARRIVE LATE" AND T3H MR. RESETTI MOLE MAN WOULD ALWAYS APPEAR AFTER YOU TOOK A COUPLE OF STEPS AWAY FROM YOUR HOUSE INSTED OF WHEN YOU JUST STEP OUT SO MR. RESETTI R CONFIRMED NOW YOUR WELCOME

Rambo

08-26-2007, 08:59 PM

Introducing Diddy was the only lasting worthwhile thing DKC ever did.

DKC 2 is another matter entirely, though.

So, you're saying that DKC2 sucked?

I can see how he might have interpreted it as: where DKC did something worthwile, DKC2 did not.

SAKURAI SAID "HEROES ARRIVE LATE" AND T3H MR. RESETTI MOLE MAN WOULD ALWAYS APPEAR AFTER YOU TOOK A COUPLE OF STEPS AWAY FROM YOUR HOUSE INSTED OF WHEN YOU JUST STEP OUT SO MR. RESETTI R CONFIRMED NOW YOUR WELCOME
Zomg he's so right! zomg.

zomg. :-P

Hum4n After All

08-26-2007, 10:49 PM

Still waiting for Isaac.

Show Ganondorf perhaps?

Baleshadow

08-26-2007, 11:15 PM

Isaac would be epic. Earth-themed moves sounds pretty nifty to me. Also, it could raise interest for a future Wii-bound Golden Sun.

Codycrusader

08-26-2007, 11:25 PM

All's I need to see confirmed is Falco and I'll be happy. What about the Geist dude, he'd be a cool, new character. He could enter your body and make you do dumb crap and uhh.... other ghost stuff, he'd be a better assist trophy....

Azul v2

08-26-2007, 11:35 PM

Introducing Diddy was the only lasting worthwhile thing DKC ever did.

DKC 2 is another matter entirely, though.

How can you like DKC2 and hate DKC.

Thats like saying you like Super Mario Bros. 3 but dislike Super Mario Bros.

Maybe because you have a thing for Dixie?

Hum4n After All

08-27-2007, 06:12 AM

Isaac would be epic. Earth-themed moves sounds pretty nifty to me. Also, it could raise interest for a future Wii-bound Golden Sun.

Awh.
A dream of mine waiting to come to a reality.

!Nekko!

08-27-2007, 06:16 AM

How can you like DKC2 and hate DKC.

Thats like saying you like Super Mario Bros. 3 but dislike Super Mario Bros.

Maybe because you have a thing for Dixie?

I like SMB 2 and neither SMB 1 nor SMB 3. Try that on for size.

Imagery

08-27-2007, 06:24 AM

How can you like DKC2 and hate DKC.

Thats like saying you like Super Mario Bros. 3 but dislike Super Mario Bros.

Maybe because you have a thing for Dixie?

where the hell is this hate thing coming from

srsly it's just not a great game

Ferret

08-27-2007, 06:29 AM

Joe and Mac need to be in SSBB. Nuff said.

Critical Hit

08-27-2007, 06:30 AM

It's true. DKC2 expanded on the original in so many (better) ways that it makes the original much less appealing to go back to in general (although I do own it and enjoy it from time to time myself).

I-n-j-i-n

08-27-2007, 06:47 AM

where the hell is this hate thing coming from

srsly it's just not a great game

DKC was just short that's all. For what it was, it was good. Though it was incredibly overhyped due to its graphics in its day. But it was way better than any Mario games after Mario 64 IMO. Even DKC3 had its highpoints even if it wasn't as good as DKC2. Gameplay aside, the music was just amazing top to bottom for the trilogy.

Also, Miyamoto supposedly bashing the franchise is the funniest thing I've heard about it. Surely the fanatics will latch onto that as a hedge against the games. It was a nice departure and effort by Rare. I don't see what you can take away from that.

"Miyamoto later apologized, saying he had been too harsh due to Nintendo's pressuring him at the time to make Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island more like Donkey Kong Country"

Which is ironic since New Super Mario Bros basically went that route in the end to horrible effect.

Arek the Absolute

08-27-2007, 08:03 AM

Fire food.
Nifty.

nohero

08-27-2007, 08:04 AM

Honestly, Sakurai... enough new fucking items already. So many items has the potential to realllly crowd the game.

NeoForte

08-27-2007, 08:05 AM

Awesome @ Kirby Dreamland 1 reference! This should be cool to use.

Rambo

08-27-2007, 08:06 AM

Honestly, Sakurai... enough new fucking items already. So many items has the potential to realllly crowd the game. ...? That's why on the second day, God made the Item Switch.

Arek the Absolute

08-27-2007, 08:06 AM

feh, i say bring on more items
i would rather read item updates than character updates
it keeps at least SOME things secret

Inimitable

08-27-2007, 08:09 AM

I am so very torn between wanting to know MOAR and yet wanting to keep some surprises...

BigBoss

08-27-2007, 08:13 AM

Awesome but only because more pics with Diddy.

Dunther

08-27-2007, 01:30 PM

This item is from Kirby?! I've never seen it on Kirby games...

Neo Samus

08-27-2007, 02:43 PM

This item is from Kirby?! I've never seen it on Kirby games...

The first few Kirby games on the game boy (and I think Adventure for the NES??) When Kirby eats the item he goes invincible and continously breathes fire. This item is gonna be so cool to use on Brawl.

Dunther

08-27-2007, 03:12 PM

The first few Kirby games on the game boy (and I think Adventure for the NES??) When Kirby eats the item he goes invincible and continously breathes fire. This item is gonna be so cool to use on Brawl.

Uh wow I didn't know that...

BardicKnowledge

08-27-2007, 04:13 PM

It's actually just the first one -- not the NES game. Good item in any case...hopefully it will make for some awesome combo videos.

Sir_NutS

08-27-2007, 07:04 PM

I say keep bringing irrelevant pieces of the game, I'm done with secret characters. Gotta leave some surprises for when the game ships.

shikigami

08-27-2007, 07:22 PM

diddy kong...

w
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Codycrusader

08-27-2007, 09:32 PM

Awesome item! Diddy's face looked funny when he was breathing the fire, can't wait to see Peach and Jigglypuff's faces (we already know she's gonna be in the game cuz she's an original 12)

Aninymouse

08-27-2007, 10:31 PM

Jigglypuff would be a welcome return, that's for sure. I think perhaps one of her B moves that's not Rest needs to be tweaked, though, since like many Melee people she only really had a handful of useable moves. Pound is incredible, though.

More than anything, though, the best part of Jigglypuff is her voice, heh. JIGGLYPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUF!!

Hector

08-27-2007, 10:41 PM

I have to agree about screwing with Jig's B moves. A second move that is neither suicidal nor useless would be nice.

BardicKnowledge

08-27-2007, 10:48 PM

I would actually like to see at least one move changed from all of the characters, and in some cases two or three. Mewtwo (if he returns) especially could use a changed up moveset.

Rambo

08-27-2007, 11:06 PM

I would actually like to see at least one move changed from all of the characters, and in some cases two or three. Mewtwo (if he returns) especially could use a changed up moveset.

I'm not a huge fan of mewtwo... But I'd like to see him back in the game on the premise alone that he AND his moves looked BAD-ASS. Mewtwo flailing a beam-sword? How freaking cool was that. His upward through looks pretty sweet too.

Ray Falling

08-27-2007, 11:34 PM

More than anything, though, the best part of Jigglypuff is her voice, heh. JIGGLYPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUF!!

Set your game language to German or French for an even funnier voice n_n;

Codycrusader

08-28-2007, 01:10 AM

More than anything, though, the best part of Jigglypuff is her voice, heh. JIGGLYPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUF!!
I love it when she gets a super mushroom and you smash her off the screen, when she goes "EEAHHH" sounds like she's takin a dump. Damn, Jiggabo better come back!

Has anyone been goin' on http://www.mojo.rick-gardiner.com/index.html, good mock-up site of Dojo, and that Cosby Smash song sounds "schweet", srry had a Francis moment, NO MY GRAPHICS CARD!!!

Dunther

08-28-2007, 04:02 AM

I want to hear the music of Meta Knight / Halberd ...

Arek the Absolute

08-28-2007, 04:12 AM

I want to hear the music of Meta Knight / Halberd ...

It will be very odd to play on that stage if the stage music isn't a remix of either "Kirby arrives on the scene" or "Taking over the halberd"

Dunther

08-28-2007, 04:14 AM

Maybe the music in that stage will be the Meta Knight fight theme from Kirby Superstar...that game has a great OST...I loved it when I was young...

Silent Mike

08-28-2007, 04:58 AM

It will be very odd to play on that stage if the stage music isn't a remix of either "Kirby arrives on the scene" or "Taking over the halberd"

I hope it's one of those and not the newer song they used in Squeak Squad.

So I noticed something in the "Characters" page of the Dojo:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5710/cmcapture1vs1.png

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6571/cmcapture2nc1.png

Now all of this is just speculation, but ASSUMING that the starting line up for newcomers and vets are going to be an even 8 vs 12 respectively, to make the characters page even, then there are only two newcomers and one more vet to reveal. If that WERE the case, Captain Falcon is the only vet that needs to be revealed. It would also support the theory that Lucas is replacing Ness as a newcomer.

Which would leave just one more newcomer to reveal for the starting line up. Either someone new or Metaknight, if he ends up not being unlockable. Also, it means that Luigi and Jigglypuff are still secret characters, like in the last two games. Along with any other secret characters from Melee.

I don't know if I'm the first to post this or not, but I can see this happening. Then again, I don't know if Sakurai would actually plan out the roster to accommodate an evenly organized characters page of the website.

Arek the Absolute

08-28-2007, 05:08 AM

Don't forget snake, bud.

Airwalker

08-28-2007, 05:11 AM

Then again, I don't know if Sakurai would actually plan out the roster to accommodate an evenly organized characters page of the website.

Quite a few people are obsessive compulsive.

Silent Mike

08-28-2007, 05:26 AM

Don't forget snake, bud.

Snake's in this game?

Triad Orion

08-28-2007, 05:29 AM

Very yes.

http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/supersmashbros/media.html?mode=trailers

Solid Snake has been announced as a character since pretty much its conformation. And truthfully, I expect to see far more characters in Brawl than what we're being given on the website. Though they may stop announcing characters after they fill the page up as you suggested, to say that was the end of the roster entirely would be a bit too big of an assumption.

After all, gotta keep some things secret.

Silent Mike

08-28-2007, 05:40 AM

Uhhhh I was being facetious about snake...

But I was talking about the STARTING line up, not including hidden characters. I thought there was a general agreement that snake would be an unlockable or something.

Rambo

08-28-2007, 08:00 AM

I thought there was a general assumption that snake would be an unlockable or something.

phyckzed.:-|

NeoForte

08-28-2007, 08:01 AM

Wow old Andross, awesome!

EDIT: Another Double Update. Meta-Knight moves! Well more specifically using control tilt to show how to do special moves.

Rambo

08-28-2007, 08:13 AM

Well more specifically using Wiimote tilt to show how to do special moves.

?
I thought it said control stick tilt.

NeoForte

08-28-2007, 08:15 AM

?
I thought it said control stick tilt.

Right, your right it did. Stupid Wiimote icon threw me off lol.

friendlyHunter

08-28-2007, 09:13 AM

That makes me wonder how it'll work with the remote.... probably nothing fancy (just use the d-pad instead), which means maybe you can only aim the sideways special moves in 3 distinct directions (like Link's boomerang has always worked... I think?).

Great assist trophy! Glad to see there'll be some retro stuff from older games in Nintendo serieses.. serii?? What on earth is the plural form of "series"? Yes, I AM too lazy too look it up!

I always thought that guy looked kind of creepy though... which makes him superb final boss material. Oh come on, that is NOT a spoiler!

Like a meteor storm, these panels come flying from the back of the scene to the front. Um, what am I supposed to call these things, anyway?
PANELS! Call them "panels", like you just did in the previous sentence!!! Gosh!

This guy needs to calm down.

Hee ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya!

He looks angry. Wh-what is he doing?

He’s attacking with the iron cages!

Arek the Absolute

08-28-2007, 09:43 AM

Heh, Andross. Nice.

Strike911

08-28-2007, 10:27 AM

I dig this update. Good times. Andross is essentially the perfect assist trophy imo. He's doing exactly what he did in StarFox, exactly. I like this kind of stuff. I want more retro goodness. ^_^ Thumbs up!

I also dig that that showed Meta Knight moves and said some moves will have hidden uses... but I guess it's been like that since Smash Bros 1, with Jigglypuffs punch move that could move you real far horizontally.

Maybe we'll see more innovative uses this time around...

I liked this update.

Lord.Roderick.i

08-28-2007, 11:12 AM

Man, oh man!
Andross FTW!
He looks just like I remember him when I was little :D

"Only I have the brains to rule Lylat!"
Uh...OK. He said it, not me...

That quote is really funny IMO XD
And the thing about special moves sounds cool. I suppose every character will have "a variety of hidden uses" for their moves. :P

nookster

08-28-2007, 11:44 AM

Hey! Assist Andross?
Strange, I really expected him to be a boss character. Not much chance now (even in updated form would be a bit illogical) Starwolf fans be alerted :D

Ralphis

08-28-2007, 11:52 AM

Since when has Smash Brothers ever been logical?!

KeeperS

08-28-2007, 12:40 PM

Hey! Assist Andross?
Strange, I really expected him to be a boss character. Not much chance now (even in updated form would be a bit illogical) Starwolf fans be alerted :D

I'm guessing you'll fight him in the Subspace Emissary, the single player adventure mode. It's always seemed to me like a lot of assist trophies would make decent regular enemies or even bosses for that mode.

Lord.Roderick.i

08-28-2007, 01:06 PM

I'm guessing you'll fight him in the Subspace Emissary, the single player adventure mode. It's always seemed to me like a lot of assist trophies would make decent regular enemies or even bosses for that mode.
Maybe you can unlock assist trophies from the bosses you kill on the adventure mode, which IMO would be really cool.

Dunther

08-28-2007, 01:50 PM

Uh...the old Andross...how strange it was...

Sir_NutS

08-28-2007, 02:03 PM

cool.

Although when I saw the name Andross I thought I was going to see a description of him being a boss, but this works too.

The Author

08-28-2007, 02:39 PM

Okay, since there is talk of removing clone characters, who here see Falco as not returning?

And well, since there is an influx of interesting characters, I expect Slippy to make it in.

Raziellink

08-28-2007, 02:50 PM

Hey! Assist Andross?
Strange, I really expected him to be a boss character. Not much chance now (even in updated form would be a bit illogical) Starfox fans be alerted :D

Fixed. (10.....)

Dopple Boppler

08-28-2007, 03:01 PM

Hey! Assist Andross?
Strange, I really expected him to be a boss character. Not much chance now (even in updated form would be a bit illogical) Starwolf fans be alerted :D

Hammer Bro. is an assist trophy too, but from the first so-crazily-named-mode-that-I-forget-the-name-of-it-though-I-could-have-looked-it-up-in-the-time-it-took-me-to-write-this update there was a picture of I believe Fox being attacked by one. So I would say Andross isn't totally out yet.

The Author

08-28-2007, 03:12 PM

Fixed. (10.....)

Fail.

He mentioned that Star Wolf could be a possible boss character instead of Andross.

Raziellink

08-28-2007, 03:14 PM

Fail.

He mentioned that Star Wolf could be a possible boss character instead of Andross.

Lol, is not!

Wait, there is?

watkinzez

08-28-2007, 03:23 PM

General Scales should totally be the Star Fox boss, only to bail out at the last second for someone completely different.

The Author

08-28-2007, 03:33 PM

General Scales should totally be the Star Fox boss, only to bail out at the last second for someone completely different.
That would imply that the game being developed was actually Jungle Planet Star Fighters but that at the last minute, since the company realized it would be a massive failure, so they decided to tack on a popular name on it.

Hmmm, I wonder if other companies do that:

If Rareware ran McDonald's

Suit 1: So, our new chicken sandwich is being tested in 3 markets, and it's doing average. I'm not sure it will generate interest.
Suit 2: Hmmm, didn't bacon do a good job for our cheeseburgers? Why not tack on bacon, and remove the chicken all together, what with the avian flu and all. Call it the BaconBurger.
Suit 3: With Cheese
Suit 4: People are kinda hating carbs, remove the bread.
Suit 5: One of these markets is big on hipanic foods, how about we make it into a Fajita?
Suit 6: Hmmm, a bacon and cheese fajita, great idea, except it doesn't seem healthy... How about we replace the cheese with salad?
Suit 7: And the bacon with chicken, people like chicken, they think it's healthy even when deep fried.
Head Suit: Ok, call marketing and have them make an ad with dancing chickens.
Suit 1: What if the ad involved a pig for some comedic reason?
...

Yeah, sounds about right.

watkinzez

08-28-2007, 04:50 PM

Just replace 'Rareware' with 'Nintendo' and you're good to go. ;)

Iggy Enigma

08-28-2007, 05:20 PM

Well, so much for Andross as a boss. Oh well, Wolf is still a possibility. Or Pigma in a giant robot. ......Oh wait, Robotnik and Dr. Wily would sue his ass.

Maybe all three of the current members of Star Wolf take on Fox in a 1-vs-3 melee!!
...right, and then the dude from Zombies Ate My Neighbors shows up as a playable, I find a million dollars in a street gutter, and it starts raining chocolate syrup.

...Actually, Zeke from ZAMN with all of his wacky weapons would be a hilarious character.

Aaaaanyway, I personally loved the voice-acting in Star Fox 64. It was so cheesy that it was great. "Only I have the brains to rule Lylat" is an absolute paragon of groan-worthy archvillain banter. If you wish to contend this assertion, please do it, as I welcome hearing other cheesy villainous one-liners.

Eulogic

08-28-2007, 05:44 PM

We don't even know that there will be a boss from each game. At this point, it looks like Kirby will be fighting Petey anyway, not Mario.

The Author

08-28-2007, 09:27 PM

Just replace 'Rareware' with 'Nintendo' and you're good to go. ;)
Not really.

Nintendo, like Capcom, would have eventually came up with the triple cheeseburger, followed by the double double cheese burger with extra bacon.

nookster

08-28-2007, 09:44 PM

Lol, is not!

Wait, there is?

Yeah dude sorry. But thanx for the help anyway ;)

EDIT: Yeah, starting a new page whith something stupid, while all my good points are wasted on bottoms. It's an outrage

Also:
http://www.toyarchive.com/STAForSale/NEW2001+/Starcom/F1400Starwolf1a.jpg

Codycrusader

08-28-2007, 11:12 PM

Hey thats cool, retro Andross, I couldn't stop laughing becuase he looks so outta place. And that Meta uhh... omg i forgot how to spell his name 0_0, anyway, maybe we'll see his character profile in tonight because of that special move update.

Global-Trance

08-29-2007, 12:04 AM

cobaltstarfire

08-29-2007, 01:38 AM

Funny as it sounds, I prefer old Andross anyways. I don't understand how anyone would listen to a giant monkey face free floating in space. Andross in Star Fox 64 is quite honestly freaky. I would have thrown up in that Arwing when I got to the brain and floating eyes. I mean, come on. Didn't anyone else have a problem with that?

Not really, I thought it was pretty interesting really, and they probably intended something similar in the snes version if you look at how you can make his face fall off, and then shoot up that box with his face all over it. I guess box with monkey face still isn't quite the same as ZOMG BRAIN AND EYEBALLS!

I enjoyed the pun that went with it too...

Global-Trance

08-29-2007, 03:41 AM

I was thinking of the whole thing from a realistic point of view (Though I really shouldn't. I mean, how realistic are space animals anyways?). I would be completely tripped out if I was in Fox's position taking on Andross... I mean... a gianty gooey floaty brain thing that's a lot bigger than you. That's just gross.

Dunther

08-29-2007, 04:12 AM

Effector

08-29-2007, 04:27 AM

A few months ago I was thinking a strange thing:
would be funny if after that you eat a great quantity of food, the character become fat, like on Metal Slug...
Every type of food can have a value of fat-ness (I don't know the correct word, sorry) and vitality...

It's a mad idea, I know...

Goddammit. Tarma for Brawl 2008. (Yes, yes, I'm passing Marco over for Tarma. No comment.) I want at least one other third-party character other than Snake - and not Sonic.

But neat idea - slower moves, lower jumps, but increased power/damage and less knockback. Bumping up your character a weight class, as it is. Similar to the metal power-up, but more awesome.

Dunther

08-29-2007, 04:33 AM

Yea, can you imagine a fat version of every character?
Zero Suit Samus, lol XD

Rambo

08-29-2007, 04:34 AM

Antipode

08-29-2007, 05:51 AM

I had a problem with my pilot being a fox.

zomg a fat Wario.

You clearly have never played Wario Land II, which is one of the best games ever made. Also, haha, the image of fat snake still all serious and all that made me chuckle.

nookster

08-29-2007, 07:51 AM

Yea, can you imagine a fat version of every character?
Zero Suit Samus, lol XD

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/02/080206-cosplay.jpg

...

Global-Trance

08-29-2007, 08:01 AM

Pokemon Trainer move set. Fun. Interesting to note that they only showed 2 out of 3 special moves for each Pokemon.

Jam Stunna

08-29-2007, 08:07 AM

Ha, nice scouter Fox has on.

Global-Trance

08-29-2007, 08:09 AM

Falco: Fox, what does the scouter say about Charizard's power level?
Fox: It's over nine thousaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand!
Falco: What?! Nine thousand?!

Arek the Absolute

08-29-2007, 08:10 AM

Little late on that there Jam.

Anyhow:
<+NeoForte> pokemon trainer woot
<@Nicholas|afk> that is six out of nine
<@Nicholas|afk> they aren't showing some moves
<+NeoForte> yea
<+NeoForte> ok back to Metroid Prime playing hehe
<@Nicholas|afk> like squirtles water gun *assumption*
<@Nicholas|afk> and charizard's up b recovery
<@Nicholas|afk> seismic toss?
<+NeoForte> probably
<@Nicholas|afk> wouldnt be roost
<@Nicholas|afk> fly would just be lame as hell

Let us just hope Charizard's Up B recovery move doesn't get stuck being that instead of something awesome like seismic toss or something of the sort.

BigBoss

08-29-2007, 08:15 AM

Falco: Fox, what does the scouter say about Charizard's power level?
Fox: It's over nine thousaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand!
Falco: What?! Nine thousand?!

NINE

THOUUUUUUUUUUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND

Rambo

08-29-2007, 08:29 AM

Falco: Fox, what does the scouter say about Charizard's power level?
Fox: It's over nine thousaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand!
Falco: What?! Nine thousand?!

Okay, that was actually brilliant.
If I hadn't been playing MP3 non-stop, that would've been the highlight of my night. :nicework:

friendlyHunter

08-29-2007, 09:10 AM

Can someone tell us non-pokemon players what "Rock Smash" does? Does it make the rock go flying at opponents? Pieces of rock flying at opponents? Or is the opponent supposed to be between the rock and Charizard's head?

[fake edit]
A google search reveals that a rock gets smashed into peices on the opposing pokemon... no kidding. Bah, I don't even care, I'll see it when it comes out =p

Geoffrey Taucer

08-29-2007, 12:59 PM

Ok... what's the joke about nine thousand?

The Author

08-29-2007, 01:27 PM

Ok... what's the joke about nine thousand?

Its a youtube meme coming from a DBZ video edit. While the video was not that enjoyable IMHO, the meme is one of the funny things on the internet, since it is rarely applicable, it remains minty fresh.

Eulogic

08-29-2007, 01:41 PM

Pokemon Trainer move set. Fun. Interesting to note that they only showed 2 out of 3 special moves for each Pokemon.

First, each character has 4 special moves, not 3. Second, they've been doing that with every character.

EDIT: Hurr, right. He already announced the down-B. Regardless, my second point still stands.

Dexie

08-29-2007, 02:13 PM

First, each character has 4 special moves, not 3. Second, they've been doing that with every character.

EDIT: Hurr, right. He already announced the down-B. Regardless, my second point still stands.

Link had all four specials PLUS his throw shown.

Anyway, I'm guessing Ivysaur will get Razor Leaf as his remaining special, Squirtle's be definately be Water Gun, and Charizard's will be something lame.

Rock Smash, geez. Why couldn't it have been something like Dragon Claw or Flare Blitz?

Iggy Enigma

08-29-2007, 02:35 PM

Charizard... smashes rocks... with its head.

...Words cannot express how disappointed I am...

...part of me is saying, "It's beta, they'll change it, sure they will, there's no way they would go with something that stupid..."

At least Squirtle's water effects look freaking awesome... and I am not surprised that Ivysaur has no third jump. At least, I bet he doesn't,

Dunther

08-29-2007, 02:38 PM

Ivysaur will use his whip to return...

BardicKnowledge

08-29-2007, 04:22 PM

I wonder what Charizard's Up+B will be -- Fly, perhaps? Is there a Fire-related Pokemon move that will send him upwards? I haven't seriously played a Pokemon game since R/B.

Edit: Read the last pages -- Seismic Toss would indeed be a good substitute.

Eulogic

08-29-2007, 11:03 PM

Charizard... smashes rocks... with its head.

...Words cannot express how disappointed I am...
Are you kidding? I thought that was the coolest of the new moves.

At least Squirtle's water effects look freaking awesome... and I am not surprised that Ivysaur has no third jump. At least, I bet he doesn't,

Tether recoveries seem to be taking the place of third jumps for some characters (as already seen with ZSS).

Strike911

08-29-2007, 11:24 PM

I wonder what Charizard's Up+B will be -- Fly, perhaps? Is there a Fire-related Pokemon move that will send him upwards? I haven't seriously played a Pokemon game since R/B.

My guess is some kind of fly move. It'd be cool if he could utilize his wings some how though. If it does indeed utilize his wings (which it should) I hope it does different things when you're standing and when you're airborne... kind of how Link has two separate version of the UP+B special, one for the ground and one for air recovery. ^_^

Neato though. You know as much as I like Squirtle and Charizard, Ivysaur seems to me the most interesting... and I didn't ever really like bulbasaur or any of its evolutions really. But still, in Brawl that Pokemon seems to have the most interesting move set so far imo.

TheCatPhysician

08-29-2007, 11:31 PM

a couple things:

1: prima says he is releasing his brawl strategy guide a whole month before the game comes out, and already gave the exact page count of the guide. http://www.primagames.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780761556442

interesting

2: in the "four special move types update" for side special moves it says "These are bold attacks that launch in the direction you tilt the stick." this is pretty much how it went in ssb/m, but there were a few exceptions, like mario's cape. well, i guess you might be able to say caping peoples' recoveries/attacks is bold, but retreating while caping someone's projectiles isn't. i dunno, though. kirby's forward B doesn't do anything launchy, i guess you could say it is bold because it takes so long to come out, but i dont think it matches the description they've set in stone for forward B moves. anyway, my point is that they havn't shown mario or kirby's forward B moves yet, so maybe they're changing them to better fit the description.