Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Mastertoku]

Oh lord. This is awesome/disconcerting.

[NeoForte]

Oooooooooh this makes things interesting.

[Inimitable]

To whoever was wondering it Charizard's recovery would be a flying move, well...

[TheCatPhysician]

http://mojo.rick-gardiner.com/index.html

super smash bros. mojo

edit oh wait it's old isnt it

[Strike911]

SOoooOOooOOO COOL! You can control the angle of descent and back up, that is awesome!

[eternal Zero]

Now this will shake up gameplay quite a bit. I really hope it makes those characters very good in the sense that it takes a good amount of control to get the most out of them.

[Jam Stunna]

Hm. More than adding to the characters who can glide now, I see this taking away from Peach. Her float-canceling in Melee made her pretty unique, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

EDIT- This is all moot if you have to fall as you glide, though.

[Strike911]

Okay, the first time I saw glide on the Smash Bros site I immediately thought of Knuckles the Echidna.... okay n/m...

been playing too much Sonic & Knuckles...

/offtopic

Cool move though. A swoop like that would be real cool.

I wonder if any items like a set of wings will show up that will let you do large gliding swoops with any of the other characters. (Maybe the wing cap from mario 64?) I mean, hey, they put the screw attack item in that affects what kind jump you can make, why not something to let other chars glide too.

It looks like a lot of fun using that ability!

[Neo Samus]

That's interesting. It adds a new strategy element to the mix.

[Sir_NutS]

now that I think about it, it should work like SMW's cape. As you glide, if you point up you will gain height but eventually lose speed and start to lose horizontal ground, if you point down you can gain speed but will go down faster as well, so it would be kind of a balance there.

Can't wait to try it out.

BTW, I can bet my life now that little mac will be on the game now (I mean, even the simcity guy is in there) the question is wether he'll appear as a playable character or an assist trophy.

[Dunther]

now that I think about it, it should work like SMW's cape.
Maybe even Mario can do this with his cape?

[eternal Zero]

If Mario gets the capability to glide he should have to do it old school with his cape and everything and have to alternate up and down to catch the air in his cape.

[Bigfoot]

Maybe the feather will just be an item in the game for everyone to use(like the screw attack). That'd be funny to see Bowser using a cape to glide back onto the stage.

[Dunther]

Maybe the feather will just be an item in the game for everyone to use(like the screw attack). That'd be funny to see Bowser using a cape to glide back onto the stage.

Yeah...great idea...

[Tenucha]

I havn't seen the Feather mentioned... just that winged characters can glide now.
Wouldn't Mario's cape from SMW be annoying if you're trying to glide back on it and adjusting the up/down to catch air?
I think they should include the Tanooki Suit for Mario and Luigi

[DeathBySpoon]

Holy crap, A Wario Ware stage? Pure unadulterated win.

[JackKieser]

Wow... I almost don't know what to say.

...Oh, never mind, I figured it out. What in the great blue fuck are these people smoking?? I mean, it looks, awesome and fun, to say the least... but really. Damn.

--Jack Kieser

[Inimitable]

Pure unadulterated win is RIGHT.

Yet another stage for tourney junkies to complain about.

[Strike911]

Exactly what I was hoping to see in a Wario level!!!!!!



... I wonder if the 'mini-game levels' speed up over time like in WarioWare.

[Mastertoku]

Bloody brilliant.

I'm liking how all the new stages are so whimsical!...

...although, that 'platform' stage is starting to get old... We need some weird-shaped ones. Like Corneria in Melee.

[friendlyHunter]

AAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!


I love it!

I wonder what this "reward" could be...? Avoiding damage (while those who lose the minigame get hurt)? Getting healed? Bragging rights?

The developers probably don't think that "weird shaped levels" fit Brawl's play style... but it'd still be nice to see a few levels with walls and stuff in there.

[!Nekko!]

I digg it. I just wonder how the transitions work. It looks like you can fall off the sides while in the elevator, but not if a full, flat stage shows up.

[The Mutericator]

Bloody brilliant.

I'm liking how all the new stages are so whimsical!...

...although, that 'platform' stage is starting to get old... We need some weird-shaped ones. Like Corneria in Melee.

A-fucking-men.

[JoeFu]

Level looks awesome. I mean WarioWare and SSB in one game? YES!!!!!

[Sir_NutS]

for some shitty reason the update isn't showing to me in the english page, I had to switch to the japanese page to see it.

The level looks awesomely insane.

[The Derrit]

Honestly? This stage to me looks like flat zone x 20 suck. who would ever be satisfied at the end of a fight on that stage? the stage decides who wins and loses.

[JoeFu]

I don't know about you, but I love these quirky stages. Flatzone was pretty fun, and this level is going to be 20x more awesome.

[The Author]

Honestly? This stage to me looks like flat zone x 20 suck. who would ever be satisfied at the end of a fight on that stage? the stage decides who wins and loses.

Not really, you have to have skills to wing in a random stage.

I never got why some people hated some stages for tournament play. If you can play well, you should know how to exploit a stage to your advantage. Playing only in predictable stages means that you are too set in one strategy and cannot adapt.

[Bigfoot]

for some shitty reason the update isn't showing to me in the english page, I had to switch to the japanese page to see it.

The level looks awesomely insane.

Ok, glad I'm not the only one.

[BigBoss]

If you can play well, you should know how to exploit a stage to your advantage. Playing only in predictable stages means that you are too set in one strategy and cannot adapt.

Exactly. Playing on Flat World or Poke Floats is no excuse.

[Airwalker]

This definitely looks like a fun stage to break up the monotony .

[eternal Zero]

I never got why some people hated some stages for tournament play. If you can play well, you should know how to exploit a stage to your advantage. Playing only in predictable stages means that you are too set in one strategy and cannot adapt.

Same goes for items.

[Global-Trance]

Exactly. Playing on Flat World or Poke Floats is no excuse.

For those that follow tournament rules, the ban on Poke Floats was lifted ages ago.

Same goes for items.

This is true to some extent. I will be damned if I admit that someone is better than me if a Starman spawned on top of some douche bag opponent multiple times in the same match.

[Dunther]

Yeah...I love play in all stages (exept icecicle mountain) with items...sometime I play without them, to do match more technical (and with less luck)...but the item are a part of the Smash gameplay!

[Arek the Absolute]

Powerstone meets Smashbros.
I look forward to playing on Wario's stage.

[Antipode]

Yeah whenever I play smash with friends I demand we have items on low, and they all always complain. Personally I think it's actually a lot more fun with items. Anyway, this new wario stage is incredible. I can't wait. Still though, it makes me a bit sad that they've totally ignored what the wario games were REALLY all about, which were the "land" games. I hope at the very least you'll be able to switch into his old outfit if you like.

[friendlyHunter]

As long as he has a few good Warioland moves, I'll be happy. His forwards A (while running) move better be that Warioland shoulder-check thing that he does! Fwooshshoohwwoshooww! And his throws better look like he's throwing Warioland enemies! And he'd better turn into a ball and roll forever when you press down on a slope! oh wait, that last one wouldn't work too well in Smash...

I have no clue what his B-up move could possible be. Hopefully it's something both hilarious and non-gaseous. Same for his B neutral and his Final Smash...... now I'm all curious!!!

[Red Shadow]

this is 100% what i was expecting for wario's stage

very pleasing

[Antipode]

As long as he has a few good Warioland moves, I'll be happy. His forwards A (while running) move better be that Warioland shoulder-check thing that he does! Fwooshshoohwwoshooww! And his throws better look like he's throwing Warioland enemies! And he'd better turn into a ball and roll forever when you press down on a slope! oh wait, that last one wouldn't work too well in Smash...

I have no clue what his B-up move could possible be. Hopefully it's something both hilarious and non-gaseous. Same for his B neutral and his Final Smash...... now I'm all curious!!!

I agree with all of this. I say his down-B should be the body slam/pound thing, but we already know it isn't...also yeah, his barge ought to be side-B, but I'm pretty sure that's something to do with his motorcycle. Haha, maybe his B neutral could switch caps (/pots/whatever) between Bull Wario, Dragon Wario, Jet Wario, and so on, each with different abilities and strengths...and maybe really rarely it'll stick you randomly with one of his "hindrance" forms, like snowman Wario, fat Wario, tiny Wario, ball-o-string Wario...

And yeah, before you say it I know none of that will ever happen but you can't deny it would be amazing. Really I think they should just have his character entirely based on the Land games and keep the stage from Wario Ware to cover everything. Haha which reminds me, a Kitchen Island stage would be great.

[TheCatPhysician]

Honestly? This stage to me looks like flat zone x 20 suck. who would ever be satisfied at the end of a fight on that stage? the stage decides who wins and loses.
agreed

it's funny how all these people have this misconception that everyone who plays in tournaments hates playing on anything other than final destination with no items, because they can't deal with them/they're scared of items/they don't know how to adapt.

to anyone who thinks this, im sure any good competitive player would happily play you with whatever rules you want, more than likely four-stocking you every round. if you live in the continental US, you can probably find something going on not too far away, just check the regional zones forum of smashboards.

we don't play with items off because we're afraid of losing to casual players. if someone is signifantly better than they're opponent, items will almost definetely not change the outcome. the items-off rule came about due to evolution of the metagame. people played in tournaments for a long time with items still on, and before everyone finally agreed to turn items off for tournaments, there was a huge and long debate about it. but as people got better and more competitive, the need for no items became more apparant.

also about only wanting to play on final destination: couldn't be more wrong. for the entire month of july, i went on a smash brothers road trip with friends from alaska to the lower 48, staying with a whole bunch of competitive smashers on our way to tournaments. pretty much EVERYONE we stayed with said they actually hate or dislike final destination because it's boring compared to the other stages. it's just stages like flat zone, icicle mountain and big blue that you just can't play seriously on.


i completey respect people who play casually, enjoying items and crazy stages. im just tired of people always saying that competitive players play the way they do because they don't want to adapt and because they're afraid they'll lose to casual players. you have to keep in mind that competitive players used to play just like you, and the way we play now is due to evolution of metagame over years of competitive playing.

i hope that cleared up some misconceptions, and that we can all just respect the different ways people play the game.

also, this video is way too good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hRjil3AL3Y

edit: oh crap i forgot to use capitalization

[Broken]

G-Reg is the man. He lives near me I think, so I want to play him sometime.

Edit: I love tap-reset, up-throws.

[RocketSniper]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage10/stage10_0700831c-l.jpg
I didn't think wario's mouth was really that big.

Shows me who's boss.

[Dunther]

In Wario World he can use his mouth to eat coins, in Kirby's style...

[HideousBeing]

As long as he has a few good Warioland moves, I'll be happy. His forwards A (while running) move better be that Warioland shoulder-check thing that he does! Fwooshshoohwwoshooww! And his throws better look like he's throwing Warioland enemies! And he'd better turn into a ball and roll forever when you press down on a slope! oh wait, that last one wouldn't work too well in Smash...

I have no clue what his B-up move could possible be. Hopefully it's something both hilarious and non-gaseous. Same for his B neutral and his Final Smash...... now I'm all curious!!!
I dunno what his upB will be, but it looks like his dB will be able to aid his recovery. The more you've charged it, the more so. On melee, some characters had fBs that helped their recoveries. (Marth, Mario, Doc, Roy, Luigi, Pikachu, Pichu, Yoshi) Zelda, Ganon, and CF too, but in a different way. I think Wario's chopper may help him return to the stage, maybe in the manner of Yoshi's fB.

[Rambo]

I dunno what his upB will be, but it looks like his dB will be able to aid his recovery. The more you've charged it, the more so. On melee, some characters had fBs that helped their recoveries. (Marth, Mario, Doc, Roy, Luigi, Pikachu, Pichu, Yoshi) Zelda, Ganon, and CF too, but in a different way. I think Wario's chopper may help him return to the stage, maybe in the manner of Yoshi's fB.

You forgot Fox, Falco, and IC. Oh and Samus' dB is sick for recovery!!!
And if you really wanna stretch it, I've seen Mewtwo's nB used very effectively for recovery. lol :lol:

[Global-Trance]

agreed

it's funny how all these people have this misconception that everyone who plays in tournaments hates playing on anything other than final destination with no items, because they can't deal with them/they're scared of items/they don't know how to adapt.

to anyone who thinks this, im sure any good competitive player would happily play you with whatever rules you want, more than likely four-stocking you every round. if you live in the continental US, you can probably find something going on not too far away, just check the regional zones forum of smashboards.

we don't play with items off because we're afraid of losing to casual players. if someone is signifantly better than they're opponent, items will almost definetely not change the outcome. the items-off rule came about due to evolution of the metagame. people played in tournaments for a long time with items still on, and before everyone finally agreed to turn items off for tournaments, there was a huge and long debate about it. but as people got better and more competitive, the need for no items became more apparant.

also about only wanting to play on final destination: couldn't be more wrong. for the entire month of july, i went on a smash brothers road trip with friends from alaska to the lower 48, staying with a whole bunch of competitive smashers on our way to tournaments. pretty much EVERYONE we stayed with said they actually hate or dislike final destination because it's boring compared to the other stages. it's just stages like flat zone, icicle mountain and big blue that you just can't play seriously on.


i completey respect people who play casually, enjoying items and crazy stages. im just tired of people always saying that competitive players play the way they do because they don't want to adapt and because they're afraid they'll lose to casual players. you have to keep in mind that competitive players used to play just like you, and the way we play now is due to evolution of metagame over years of competitive playing.

i hope that cleared up some misconceptions, and that we can all just respect the different ways people play the game.

also, this video is way too good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hRjil3AL3Y

edit: oh crap i forgot to use capitalization

Bingo.

Also looks like I finally have some new study material for Captain Falcon.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Don't you guys think that the game developers will remove the knee from Brawl? I'm sure they didn't mean to make the knee THAT powerful. I assume they'll remove it or make it less powerful.

[Broken]

I'm still amazed at how my friend manages to do vertical knees straight DOWN. The knee is his falcon's foward air. He uses it like it's the freaking Isai stomp.

Then again, he's pretty much mashing down on the joystick the entire match because he crouch cancels everything (including my Peach's d-smash, lol.)

[cobaltstarfire]

i completey respect people who play casually, enjoying items and crazy stages. im just tired of people always saying that competitive players play the way they do because they don't want to adapt and because they're afraid they'll lose to casual players. you have to keep in mind that competitive players used to play just like you, and the way we play now is due to evolution of metagame over years of competitive playing.

Well no one was saying stuff like that until someone else came along and asserted that no one should be able to enjoy the wario zone since it does a bunch of different stuff.

[Mastertoku]

You know what would be neat?

A stage creator.

Like, you could put up platforms/walls where you wanted... and choose the style (ie. what game the stage is from) to get a series of special effects or background thingamajigs... like, if you chose Mario style, you could put in a Bullet Bill cannon, or something... and maybe the stickers could manifest themselves into hazards of just background things to make things more interesting. Like, if you have a Starman sticker, you could just have shooting stars in the background.

Just occurred to me. It probably wouldn't work for a variety of reasons, but it's still entertaining to think about...

[Fo0dNippl3]

A simple stage maker or, at the very least, customizer would be a very cool idea.

[Dunther]

A simple stage maker or, at the very least, customizer would be a very cool idea.

...and you can use your photos as background!

[Mastertoku]

...and you can use your photos as background!
Erk. See, then they'd have to prohibit online sharing of stages. For obvious reasons.

[Dunther]

Erk. See, then they'd have to prohibit online sharing of stages. For obvious reasons.

LOL, pornophotos in the background!! :D

[Ray Falling]

You know what would be neat?

A stage creator.

Like, you could put up platforms/walls where you wanted... and choose the style (ie. what game the stage is from) to get a series of special effects or background thingamajigs... like, if you chose Mario style, you could put in a Bullet Bill cannon, or something... and maybe the stickers could manifest themselves into hazards of just background things to make things more interesting. Like, if you have a Starman sticker, you could just have shooting stars in the background.

Just occurred to me. It probably wouldn't work for a variety of reasons, but it's still entertaining to think about...

**Inside Sakurai's mind**

"Well, it is almost time to update the site with a new secret character...*sips coffee*
Mmm maybe I should check OCremix first for some better ideas.

*drops coffee* 0_0; *gasp!*

...


Yeah, you know he does ;) We'll see it soon enough eheheh

[Mastertoku]

**Inside Sakurai's mind**

"Well, it is almost time to update the site with a new secret character...*sips coffee*
Mmm maybe I should check OCremix first for some better ideas.

*drops coffee* 0_0; *gasp!*

...


Yeah, you know he does ;) We'll see it soon enough eheheh
When I read that, I pictured the "cartoonist heart attack scene" from Monty Python & the Holy Grail, except without the falling backwards and dying.

Heh, I wish he was still taking suggestions in forums. He did for a while on the Nintendo forums, from what I hear... wish I could've been in on that.

Hey, you know who would be an awesome dark horse? A secret character that comes out of nowhere and just freaking baffles everybody?

Geno. Yeah. Or @%#&$@, or however you spell his real name. Actually, anybody from SMRPG would be sweet.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

My God its taking forever to load a minute long vid :(
I think I'll check back tomorrow.

[Strike911]

man the server is really getting hammered.

I've seen about 1/4th of the vid... -_-

[NeoForte]

Holy crap I want a freaking Kid Ikarus with these graphics! Damn you Sakurai for teasing us so!

btw
http://www.sendspace.com/file/5rjnfb
for FLV of the movie

[BigBoss]

<NrgSpoon> yeah i'll just check it later
<NrgSpoon> site is too overloaded
<Vintage> it's funny to me
<Vintage> because I imagine the site as a happy japanese man
<Vintage> just opening a door all smiley
<Vintage> then getting mauled by millions of people

[JackKieser]

I'm going to assume that the movie isn't really only 1.5 seconds long, and that the site is just WAY to overloaded.

By the way, sendspace blows; is there a more reliable place the movie is at?

--Jack Kieser

[Eulogic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fut90PYGCP0

lame video though

nothing really happens

[Flaming Wuzzle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRXI-nWXqvI

EDIT: beaten again

[Dopple Boppler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fut90PYGCP0

lame video though

nothing really happens

Lame? LAME~!? When Pit was flying and that Kid Icarus music flared up, I got the goosie pimples something fierce. Maybe you, sir, are the lame one.

[JackKieser]

Um... lame video?!?! Are you kidding? That looked great! I was still a little worried about the adventure mode, but if it can keep my interest like that, it's golden.

And to whomever said the thing about a Kid Icarus with those graphics... sadly enough, I've never played the original. But, I would totally play that.

--Jack Kieser

Hey, I just realized this... but if the image Pit sees is to be believed (it looks pretty legit to me... lol), then Kirby (or whomever will fight Petey) either got his ass kicked, or couldn't stop the bomb, and had to settle for making his time. I wonder if this section is dependent on which princess you save and/or if you can actually beat Petey or not.

[Ciel]

I think it was a pretty cool video.

--Jack Kieser

[Arek the Absolute]

Eh, not really all that amusing.

--Jack Kieser

[Sir_NutS]

goosebumps.

Now get him in his own game, dammit.

[Red Shadow]

The most telling thing I got from it is that most of Pit's moves are probably going to have a childish flair to them. They know what theyre doing.

[JoeFu]

That video just made me want a Kid Icarus Wii even more.

[Ninja-san]

I thought the video was cute but im sorta getting tired of them just realeasing the movie out in segments one at a time. I rather see the whole adventure mode video in full length either on the site or when i play.

[Wipomatic]

I thought the video was cute but im sorta getting tired of them just realeasing the movie out in segments one at a time. I rather see the whole adventure mode video in full length either on the site or when i play.

You do realise it's not one long thing?
"It’s storyline isn’t overwrought – it’s hastened along by a bunch of quick movies."

[The Mutericator]

You do realise it's not one long thing?
"It’s storyline isn’t overwrought – it’s hastened along by a bunch of quick movies."

There should be an internet rule about quoting Sakurai in order to prove your point - sort of like the opposite of Godwin's Law: if you can quote Sakurai, even out of context, in your argument, then you automatically win. The only exception is using a Sakurai quote to compare your opponents to Nazis, if that's even possible.

[Ray Falling]

I'm kind of hoping you need to unlock each character's Final Smash (imagine that said in Japanese accent) by playing/finishing the Adventure mode.
Sort of give you an extra reason to do so and stimulate you to play as each character at least a couple of times :)

[Dunther]

I'm kind of hoping you need to unlock each character's Final Smash (imagine that said in Japanese accent) by playing/finishing the Adventure mode.
Sort of give you an extra reason to do so and stimulate you to play as each character at least a couple of times :)

The Final Smash is an item...so I don't think it will be unlockable...

[Ray Falling]

The Final Smash is an item...so I don't think it will be unlockable...

It could simply not appear when playing as a certain character untill it is "unlocked" Or the item itself could be "locked". It's not at all impossible :) Maybe just not likely.

[Dunther]

Mmmm...but I want the Final Smashes from the beginning! :D

[Global-Trance]

Well for those that want it to be an unlockable no matter what... you could always not pick it up. :)

[Jam Stunna]

So I went to a tourney on Saturday. My partner and I got raped in teams, so that was a bit of a disappointment. Singles went much better though. I tied for 17th, which isn't great, but I lost to worthy competition. My first loss came to a guy named Sensei, who's ranked fourth in New Jersey. My elimination loss came to a girl named milktea, who just happens to be PC Chris' girlfriend. They were close matches, so no shame. I had fun, and I finally proved that I can go to a tourney and not choke. And now I'm ranked ninth in my state's power rankings!

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=79080

Connecticut Power Rankings -9/3/07-
Panelists: Cort, Brookman, shminkledorf, Aesir
Mission Statement: To create a healthy competitive environment in Connecticut which will help inspire players to get progressively better over time.

- 1. Cort (1)
- 2. Brookman (2)
3. shminkledorf (5)
4. _milktea (7)
5. Spawn (13)
6. Pipe (15)
7. JVSmooth (6)
8. Aesir (14)
- 9. Jam Stunna (N/A)
- 10. Budai578 (N/A)
- 11. MikeMoney (N/A)
- 12. Zettai Kurayami (N/A)
13. squaminator (10)
- 14. ErciChewman (N/A)
- 15. awsmsean (N/A)

Full results/brackets for anyone who's interested:
http://tia.nealpro.com/ttournament.aspx?id=228

[eternal Zero]

I totally called that Pit is representing some kind of divine intervention.

[BigBoss]

I totally called that Pit is representing some kind of divine intervention.

he is an angel

[Mastertoku]

I wish I knew where tournaments were being held. I'd go to them if I just knew when/where they were...

[Mr.Roboto]

I totally called that Pit is representing some kind of divine intervention.

...Your true identity is Captain Obvious isn't it?

[Geoffrey Taucer]

I wish I knew where tournaments were being held. I'd go to them if I just knew when/where they were...

www.smashboards.com. Go to the regional zones section, see if you can find any tournaments in your area.

[Broken]

I wish I knew where tournaments were being held. I'd go to them if I just knew when/where they were...

There is most likely going to be one at Magfest if you're planning on going to that.

[TheCatPhysician]

very nice, jam stunna. keep it up

[Airwalker]

I totally called that Pit is representing some kind of divine intervention.

And I totally called Mario to fix the leaky faucet on my sink last Tuesday. Still hasn't shown up. Some plumber he is.

[Mastertoku]

There is most likely going to be one at Magfest if you're planning on going to that.
I... don't even know what that is.

[nohero]

Bummer... looks like there will be zero dialogue in this game.
On an interesting side note, my roommate was dead convinced that Palutena was Farore before I googled an image of her and showed it to him... could be, though, now that I think about it. Nice little game overlap?

[BigBoss]

Making the entity who gives Pit his bow Farore instead of Palutena would be as dumb as making the last boss of Metroid Prime 3 a giant red brain that isn't Mother Brain.

wait

[friendlyHunter]

Making the entity who gives Pit his bow Farore instead of Palutena would be as dumb as making the last boss of Metroid Prime 3 a giant red brain that isn't Mother Brain.

wait

Man, PUT SPOILER TAGS!!! Although, I'm not even halfway through the game, and I already could have guessed that. Just... be more careful please! The game's been out for less than a week! (I think)

[Neonlare]

Making the entity who gives Pit his bow Farore instead of Palutena would be as dumb as making the last boss of Metroid Prime 3 a giant red brain that isn't Mother Brain.

wait

Guess who lives in Europe >: (.

[BigBoss]

Guess who lives in Europe >: (.

import foo

[NeoForte]

yay Diddy Kong specials!

[JackKieser]

I like the Rocket Barrels. It's new, the concept of hitting them off and having collateral damage, and it should help his recovery from a psychological boost alone.

Sweet...

--Jack Kieser

[Mastertoku]

The peanut thing is just hilarious. I don't know why. It's like,

"Say hello to my little... hey, wait! This... this is food! LORD, HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO BLIND?!"

[BigBoss]

I love Diddy and everything Diddy but anyone who didn't already assume this is a FOOL.

[Antipode]

The peanut thing is just hilarious. I don't know why. It's like,

"Say hello to my little... hey, wait! This... this is food! LORD, HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO BLIND?!"

That would have been an amazingly hilarious caption for that picture.

[Strike911]

When did Diddy use Rockets? I mean, he had them back in Mario Tennis on the Gamecube but... I just don't recall seeing him use a rocket pack in any DK games... maybe I'm forgetting. Can anyone tell me, I'd honestly like to know where it came from...?

Anyway, awesome moveset! I love how he's got some interesting moves, plus the eat the peanuts for health thing. That's just neato. :) And... haha... that look on diddy's face when the gun explodes is hilarious.

... and the wild and crazy flying away rockets when you get hit is WICKED awesome. I love that!!!!! I hope they go all over the place.

I'm liking Diddy. ^_^

EDIT: Seriously though, one of the captions should have read "Do a Barrel Roll" ... come on now... you know it.

[Smurphball]

Donkey Kong 64 was when the jetpack was introduced first for Diddy.
Diddy Recieved his jet pack as a huge jump boost, to get to various high areas, in the game.

[Sir_NutS]

When did Diddy use Rockets? I mean, he had them back in Mario Tennis on the Gamecube but... I just don't recall seeing him use a rocket pack in any DK games... maybe I'm forgetting. Can anyone tell me, I'd honestly like to know where it came from...?

Anyway, awesome moveset! I love how he's got some interesting moves, plus the eat the peanuts for health thing. That's just neato. :) And... haha... that look on diddy's face when the gun explodes is hilarious.

... and the wild and crazy flying away rockets when you get hit is WICKED awesome. I love that!!!!! I hope they go all over the place.

I'm liking Diddy. ^_^

EDIT: Seriously though, one of the captions should have read "Do a Barrel Roll" ... come on now... you know it.

DK Jungle Blast. Coming soon to a wii near you.

Cool moves btw.

[HershDawg]

DK Jungle Blast. Coming soon to a wii near you.

Cool moves btw.

The rockets are from DK 64.

[anclunn]

I think it just hit me how this will be so much more than just an update to melee. There's real ingenuity here. Though I'm starting to worry about online play.

[megadave]

Making the entity who gives Pit his bow Farore instead of Palutena would be as dumb as making the last boss of Metroid Prime 3 a giant red brain that isn't Mother Brain.

wait

Not cool dude. If it was a mistake, you are forgiven. If not, that was so not cool.

I dug the pit video. Pit is rad. Palutena is officially rowr.

[Eulogic]

Not cool dude. If it was a mistake, you are forgiven. If not, that was so not cool.

It was kinda cool. Mildly humorous. I grinned.

[The Author]

Meh, the final boss was kinda disapointing all and all, the spoiler did not ruin much, now the other bosses were amazing. Especially that one in that place.

[megadave]

Uh, yeah it did spoil much. It spoiled the final boss, of the game I have been playing, which is not cool.

[The Author]

Uh, yeah it did spoil much. It spoiled the final boss, of the game I have been playing, which is not cool.

I actually figured it out early in the game, I wont spoil much more, but they give you a lot of blatantly obvious clues.

In fact, with the preview channel, I had a good idea what was gonna be one of the bosses. They left a lot of breadcrumbs.

[Eulogic]

If knowing the final boss of a game spoils the game for you (especially when that boss appeared in a preview for the game), it's probably not a very good game.

[megadave]

Well, I like to discover these things on my own. It's not like the guy committed a mortal sin, but there definitely isn't anything "cool" about intentionally posting spoilers. It doesn't deserve a 'GTFO', but it should be avoided and looked down upon.

And I'm assuming that you people have already beaten the game, and therefore may be a bit biased and tend to think "Why do I care I beat it already", but I have yet to actually beat the game, and was kinda looking forward to the surprise.

[nookster]

I haven't played Prime3 yet. But i'm not stupid. The "oh wait" at the end of the post made it lame. I happen to look forward to that game.
So what if it's obvious. There is a difference between thinking it, and having the HA, i'm smart, feeling when your hunch comes true, and KNOWING something because some ass gave a rather unsubtle hint

[Eulogic]

Not really. I don't own the game. I was thinking about asking for it for Christmas.

I'm not that huge a fan of the Prime series though.

[nookster]

Not really. I don't own the game. I was thinking about asking for it for Christmas.

I'm not that huge a fan of the Prime series though.

Well that helps. But not a huge step to imagine how people that are fans feel about something like this, right?

[megadave]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm thinking Nookster, and yet I'm not telling anyone to go to hell, just that they shouldn't do it. It's like starting forest fires. Its bad, and only you can prevent them.

[Eulogic]

Well that helps. But not a huge step to imagine how people that are fans feel about something like this, right?

Not really. Spoilers, shmoilers.

Can we get back on topic here? Diddy's up-B being chargeable should be interesting. I wonder if you pre-charge it, like DK's B, or charge it as you fall (or if you stop/slow down in the air while you charge it).

I hope your control over Diddy's flightpath while using it is more like your control over Ness' ball of PK Thunder rather than like Fox's straight path.

[nookster]

Naw, no flaming here/ Just saying it was lame. Sometimes it's good for someone to hear what they're doing wrong ;)

On topic though.
Considering how long it will take for ssbb to reach Europe, and taking into account the vast amount of daily updates till that time, i'm beginning to worry. I can't stop watching this. Hell it's the first thing I look at in the morning. Nice little "ow cool" factor to start the day.
However. I'm scared i'll know half the game by releasetime.

I HAVE to go cold turkey within months !!!

[Eulogic]

You're worried about spoilers for a fighting game now? THAT is ridiculous.

[nookster]

Spoilers is something else as knowing every (not hidden) stage, adventure cinema or character by heart before even buying the game. But meh, not that worried. Daily updates are far to much fun

[Antipode]

You're worried about spoilers for a fighting game now? THAT is ridiculous.

No it isn't - it's been a very long time since I've played a great game I knew nothing about beforehand, and thus it's been a very long time, probably since Metroid Prime, that I've experienced that same kind of surprise and joy of playing such a game and finding something new. I'd rather go "wow this is amazing" DURING the game than before it, only to get the game and go "yeah, there's that, I already know about that" like it was for me with Twilight Princess. I think I'm actually going to just stop reading about the game altogether, be it here or on the dojo site.

In short, spoilers piss me off.

[Ray Falling]

One thing that worries me about some moves characters have is that some of them can "break" and become unusable (or can they?)

Take Diddy there for example: when his gun pops, does it just stay broken untill KO-ed? What about the jet-barrels? Does he have to pick them up again like Wario's chopper or does he have infinite acces to these jet-barrels?

I know the game was meant to play somewhat different, but I wouldn't want certain moves to become unavailble for a certain time, or permanently.
Imagine using Rest as Jigglypuff, but you miss and you get smacked and lose the Rest ability...You're pretty much screwed then 0_0; (hold your rants about how awesome you are with Jiggly and you don't rely on Rest, you know what I'm talking about).

0_0;

[Eulogic]

I imagine charging Diddy's gun too long will have the same effect as charging Roy's neutral-B too long. He'll take some damage, but still have access to the move. The jet barrels will probably just explode and not leave remains.

[KWarp]

Pit's Descent makes me happy. :-D

[friendlyHunter]

Well, the fact that a peanut gun can have so many features (charging, edible bullets, exploding) gives me a LITTLE hope that they'll do something interesting with Samus' shooting move(s) this time. She'd better not have the slowest projectiles and the slowest "draw" again... she doesn't even draw a gun, it's her freaking arm! Sorry for the Samus rant, couldn't help myself :oops:

[KWarp]

Hee hee Sakurai forgot to introduce Metaknight. I likes the screenshots. Good sig material.

[Neo Samus]

How could Sakurai forget a character that he helped make? LOL!!!

At least he fianlly made Meta's profile.

[Mastertoku]

Finally.

I always loved those little jagged things on the sides of Meta Knight's sword.

[Ray Falling]

He even has his own logo :D

Good to have his profile on the site now too. Perhaps tomorrow we'll see his special moves, which we kind of already know >_>

Thank goodness it's not Friday though. :)

[Sir_NutS]

metaknight looks badass.

[Salluz]

metaknight looks badass.
Yeah, doesn't he? Speaking of Meta-Knight, he better have that kickass spanish accent, or else I'm going to send death threats to the nintendo execs with depictions of me doing a gangsta' lean in my cadillac, gun pointed out of the window, and three females in the back seat.

[Global-Trance]

Well, the fact that a peanut gun can have so many features (charging, edible bullets, exploding) gives me a LITTLE hope that they'll do something interesting with Samus' shooting move(s) this time. She'd better not have the slowest projectiles and the slowest "draw" again... she doesn't even draw a gun, it's her freaking arm! Sorry for the Samus rant, couldn't help myself :oops:

Non-homing missile cancel. :3

[BigBoss]

kickass spanish accent

assuming he says anything except various grunts

[ILLiterate]

Non-homing missile cancel. :3Makes my face explode on DL64

[Global-Trance]

Pokemon Stadium and F.L.U.D.D. :O

[nohero]

Hmmm... I would've rather seen his cape move replaced. Maybe there's still hope it'll change too.
Tornado looks like it'll be his down smash. Shame. I liked his breakdance sweep kick.

[Mastertoku]

Where's the Electric stage?

I'm curious now. A Power Plant-type thing would be cool.

[Linkjing Donuts]

ahahaha bunny hood in flying stage with yoshi will kill you

unless it works like the luigi ladder

[Strike911]

wow... I'm digging Pokemon Stadium 2. Love all the extra references to the types... although I do want to know what the other transformations look like.

Don't know how I feel about Mario's new move. It's cool I guess, the spin move didn't deserve 'special move status' since it wasn't a real reference to other Mario games (unless you count the spinning jump from SMW).

I'm sure this will piss off plenty of people who played as Mario and Dr Mario, though.

I'm cool with this update. Interesting stuff, double update, cool shots. *thumbs up*

[Ab56 v2 aka Ash]

It's cool I guess, the spin move didn't deserve 'special move status' since it wasn't a real reference to other Mario games (unless you count the spinning jump from SMW).

Most of Luigi's moves aren't any real references.

[Hobocop]

Oh good, I actually was starting to dislike the idea of including Pokemon Stadium again (instead of something better), but this doesn't seem bad. I wonder what role the Pokemon will play on this level, as I don't recall there being a precedent for their appearance in the prior games in this stage... Hopefully it will be interactive like in Saffron City, despite the fact that it doesn't look like they're doing anything in these pictures (well, I guess Skarmory is flying around... but I never really liked him/her/it). The ground transformation is by far the most interesting; Dugtrio and Cubone cameos :D And, it would kind of be cool if something happened with that (Helix?) fossil... Also, why do I get the feeling that people will claim to see faces in the ice block (lol).

Additionally, I can't wait to shoot people into things with Mario's new special. I like the implications this may have on team battles, and the creation and implementation of semi-elaborate traps. The possibilities for two people working together (especially with items) keeps getting more and more interesting and multi-faceted.

[Zeklan]

FLUDD is going to make it very easy to cliff guard.

[JoeFu]

Awesome!

Even though a bunch of people hated SMS, it was one of my favorite games of last gen. Great to see a nod to that wonderful game.

[Eulogic]

Weird. I find it hard to believe that the tornado is a regular (or smash) attack. Perhaps Sunshine Mario is a costume change with variant moves? Or maybe you can customize the special moves for each character (selecting from a small list for each slot), to be saved to your profile?

[Sir_NutS]

I'm sure this will piss off plenty of people who played as Mario and Dr Mario, though.

The character I played the most with in melee was mario. He might not be the best character in melee, but i don't play melee in competitions/tournaments to choose a hardcore character and just used to play with what felt better. About the change, it doesn't really bothers me as I rarely used his cape move.

His moveset would now be:
up+B=Uppercut
forward+B=Fireball
Down+B=F.L.U.D.D.
B=Tornado
Final Smash=Fireball barrage (or whatever it'll be called)

Also, not digging the idea of superjumps in one version of the pokemon stage, but eh, you can't win them all I guess.

[Neo Samus]

I still don't understand why so many people bitched about SMS. I thought the game was amazing......except for that commerical...yikes. Anyway, that's cool that F.L.U.D.D. is a special move now. It kinda stinks that The Cape is gone but just like Sir Nuts said, I rarely used that move.

I'm liking the transformations in Pokemon Stadium 2. Especially the one with the wind powered generaters.

[Ravedash]

I get the idea that Mario's tornado attack got mapped to d-air. It's a natural combo used in midair in the Nintendo World trailer. Also, IIRC, he used the tilt + B cape earlier in the same trailer.

It seems logical to me that the d-air drill kick was cut for the tornado. But when my logic's based on a 10-month old trailer...

[The Mutericator]

It almost looks like each character will have a personal equipment item that goes through each battle... Mario's FLUDD, Samus' Suit, Wario's bike, Diddy's Rocket Barrels (maybe maybe not).

Interesting possibility. This really isn't going to be Melee 1.5 at all, it's going to really make that same jump that Melee did from classic Smash... a completely new game, a thousand times better, if this all works out (and I trust Sakurai).

[Global-Trance]

We don't know for certain what's missing so let's just wait and see...

[Codycrusader]

Cool updates, really cool that pokemon make cameos. But instead of doing just four transformations they shoulda' just did all types, give it a lil' more variation at least

[Lord.Roderick.i]

I truly hope the cape isn't gone, I used it all the time. And I'll miss Dr. Mario :(
Anyways, this makes me think more than ever than Luigi will have his Vacuum cleaner from his GCN game.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and the air stage its gonna rock, IMO.

[Nohbody]

I am straight up crazy

[Antipode]

Hahaha Link could have the Dominion Rod - just point it at someone and walk them off the edge.

[Eulogic]

Rewatching the Nintendo World Trailer, it does seem entirely possible that the tornado move is now his down-aerial.

[Ab56 v2 aka Ash]

Where is all this about tornado being ANY of Mario's B moves coming from? It clearly says it's a normal move now. The cape isn't going anywhere yet.

[Antipode]

Where is all this about tornado being ANY of Mario's B moves coming from? It clearly says it's a normal move now. The cape isn't going anywhere yet.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Also, I don't think "normal move" includes smashes either, so I'd disagree with all those saying it is. I think I'm with the down aerial crowd.

[Dunther]

I didn't like very much Super Mario Sunshine, but I'm happy of the FLUDD.

Brawl must add many things from the GameCube era, because in Melee there wasn't...

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

The pokemon stadium is looking pretty awesome i wonder if the wind stage will affect gliding and jumping or just jumping...maybe it'll make you glide uncontrolably fast.

[I-n-j-i-n]

On another note: Possibly one of the most erotic fanart I've ever seen for SSB series (http://kasuga39.free100.tv/index2.html)

[Jam Stunna]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/funeralkat/zeldahahaha.jpg

[Global-Trance]

Nothing is sacred.

[Strike911]

Oh!!!!!

I love this Music collection and customization aspect!! cool!!!

That's really cool, much better than holding buttons down!!!!

I'm diggin the main theme, the Pokemon one not so much though, but it does bring back a lot of memories from Red and Blue.

And... what the hell... "Look! Samus is evolving!" He could have at least used a Pokemon name there... unless that's the name of one his pkmn...

OH SAKURAI!

[JackKieser]

Damn, this is looking to be pretty spiffy. And I like that Sakurai is putting enough thought into the game to know that people have favorite songs, too. Despite what anyone says, I LOVED playing Hyrule Temple with the Fire Emblem music going on. It's nice that I'll be able to switch up the songs as I like.

Although the arrangement could have been a little better, what really disappoints me about the Pokemon music is, again, the samples. Better instruments would have made for a WAY better experience, and all we can hope is that these are just temporary 'rough draft' songs. Although, I really liked the evolution reference at the end. Well played, sir.

--Jack Kieser

[Hobocop]

Sorry Diddy, I think you've just been replaced for best update ever. This game will be worth it just for the music alone. Collecting CDs is a genius move. And if the evolution theme is for when the Pokemon Stadium stage alters (which it surely is), then I will be very impressed, since this kind of trend might be carried onto other levels. So can we finally, legitimately say that Brawl will probably have the best game soundtrack ever (at least in terms of scope and source material; quality is still up in the air it seems)?

[KWarp]

Quite a meaty update today. Cool feature. I wonder if SD card tunes would also work...

[KakTheInfected]

Amazing. Hopefully we finally get some Super Metroid music in (well, aside from the Ridley song).

[Lord.Roderick.i]

zOMG!!!!!!!!
This is like the best update EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
This is gonna OWN!!!!
Im so thrilled!!!
YEAH!!!!!!!!
There will be TONS of songs!!!!!!
SWEEEEEEET!!!!!!!
EDIT:
I loled at this:
"Look! Samus is evolving!"

[FuriousFure]

I like the singing in the main theme, why can't the rest of the music sound as awesome as the main theme? why?!





p.s. what are they even saying?

[Inimitable]

So, one song on each stage. There at at least 3 Zelda songs in that screen, possibly 4. Although it may be bad to assume that just because a song is in there it will have its own stage. :|

[Dunther]

Great update! The gym music is one of my favourite, and...Collecting CDs is a genius move.

[Global-Trance]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/images/music08/music08_070907c-l.jpg

Guys. It's a CD. But is it a "Playstation Black CD" ? Name the game I'm thinking of and get a cookie.

[Hobocop]

I like the singing in the main theme, why can't the rest of the music sound as awesome as the main theme? why?!





p.s. what are they even saying?


After comparing the songs put up today, I really really doubt that such a disparity in quality would exist; it would be really confusing and awkward. Considering all the effort being put in the game, it's probably a safe bet these songs aren't final, and will be recorded later. I don't know why, but I became very happy when I saw that there was an option for "Castle Music/Fortress Boss." Maybe a mix of SMW and Yoshi's Island? I just don't have a clue as to what he meant by saying the main theme is the "core" of the game. Does anyone know if there is more to it than just being the main theme? He always messes with you right at the end...

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Do you guys think of the possibility of Nintendo adding songs (as in secret) from other games like the ones on the Musicians (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music01.html) page?
Maybe even like Golden Sun?

[Binjovi]

So THAT'S why there were so many musicians. Haha. I kind of figured something like this would pop up, honestly (or hoping at the very least). With as many songs as it sounds like there will be, it'll be quite amazing if they all get an orchestral treatment (aside from the ones that are straight rips, of course). Still, music is usually one of the very last things finalized for a game. so it could really go either way.

[Codycrusader]

Alls I need to hear from the music now is Delfino Plaza and the main menu theme song from Metroid Prime 2, that rap-electronic song, and I'll be set for music

[StarZander]

We really need to get a translation of those lyrics. They might spill something about the "core" of the game, that he's talking about.

[Arek the Absolute]

Is it me, or does the main theme sound more compressed than it did before?

If so, this brings hope to the rest of the songs that we have heard so far.

[Inimitable]

Guys. It's a CD. But is it a "Playstation Black CD" ? Name the game I'm thinking of and get a cookie.

I has faulty memory and detective skills (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/ThenInimitable/QU.jpg)

[Trapical]

I'm liking the evolution music ^_^

[Jam Stunna]

This makes me quite happy. Brinstar Depths has awesome music, but it's such a crappy/glitchy stage that I never play on it. Now, I can just choose the music I like and listen to it.

[Ray Falling]

Best...update...ever!

So the CD's unlock more songs? That's what I'm getting from it.

Gosh they're really going all out on this game :) release date can't come fast enough.

[Global-Trance]

I has faulty memory and detective skills (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y157/ThenInimitable/QU.jpg)

Enjoy your cookie.

[Aninymouse]

This is my favorite update so far. Notice how you don't see "Ocarina of Time Medley" for the Bridge of Eldin stage? There's probably going to be way more than four songs per stage to pick from!

I also love that they kept the Melee-style menus and changed the dark blue & red to white & gray, as it really fits the Wii, I think. Plus it just makes things seem brighter in general. Also, another neato thing: looks like each stage is going to have the original title art for its game, i.e. Bridge of Eldin has a little The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess logo on the bottom right! Pretty nifty, even if they did keep the Smash Icons from previous titles, which I also like.

[RocketSniper]

Triple post for the friggin win.



<3 the new music system, even if I haven't really gotten a chance to play with it yet...

[Azul v2]

I logged in to say how awesome this update is. I agree (and I have been saying) that these songs are probably not final and are just showcases of the arrangements that will be recorded later. I'm sure the musicians are worried about getting all the songs rearranged at this point rather than recording the final copy.

Also, the Castle Music/Fortress Boss theme from SMW is one of my favorite tracks in any video game, ever. What awesomeness now that it appears to be in the game. Can't wait to hear the arrangement.

[megadave]

Best update ever. And I think I saw the Dark World theme on there. Sweet.

[Baleshadow]

My excitement just went up two or three notches. It was pretty high to begin with, but now I think I'm in actual danger of having a stroke. This is awesome.

[JoeFu]

Best update ever. And I think I saw the Dark World theme on there. Sweet.

Yes, Dark World theme is there. This game is going to be so awesome.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/images/music08/music08_070907a-l.jpg

And DELFINO ISLE SONG!!!
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/images/music08/music08_070907b-l.jpg
I can't wait for this game anymore.

[megadave]

Yes, Dark World theme is there. This game is going to be so awesome.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/images/music08/music08_070907a-l.jpg

And DELFINO ISLE SONG!!!
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/images/music08/music08_070907b-l.jpg
I can't wait for this game anymore.

That's so rad.

Just think about all the damn themes. There might be just about every song from each franchise. It looks that way from the way the guy was talking. He said some songs wouldn't even be redone, which suggests that he's trying to cram everything in there rearranged or not.

[JackKieser]

This is my favorite update so far. Notice how you don't see "Ocarina of Time Medley" for the Bridge of Eldin stage? There's probably going to be way more than four songs per stage to pick from!

I also love that they kept the Melee-style menus and changed the dark blue & red to white & gray, as it really fits the Wii, I think. Plus it just makes things seem brighter in general. Also, another neato thing: looks like each stage is going to have the original title art for its game, i.e. Bridge of Eldin has a little The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess logo on the bottom right! Pretty nifty, even if they did keep the Smash Icons from previous titles, which I also like.

After looking at the pics again, which are now conveniently posted here, there are arrows on both song lists that suggest that the lists are longer than just 4 songs. Which really makes me happy.

And, amen to the stroke thing. I think Sakurai is slowly pusing us to the point that in order to even survive these updates, we'll need to be heavily medicated to counteract the SHEER AWESOME.

--Jack Kieser

[Sir_NutS]

Wow what a fucking epic update. AWESOME.

[Mastertoku]

I propose a new word to describe the sensation of reading posts such as this one, or Subspace Emissary.

Smashgasm (noun)

Also, the evolving part sounds freaking AWESOME. Rock guitar? Well played, Sakurai. Well played.

Of course, given that there will be more than one Pokemon song, I hope they put in the battle theme from fighting Uxie, Azelf, or Mesprit. Literally so awesome, I went into battle with the Pokemon, and didn't make a move for 10 minutes just so I could hear the song over and over again. Bloody awesome.

[Triad Orion]

I propose a new word to describe the sensation of reading posts such as this one, or Subspace Emissary.

Smashgasm (noun)

I fully intend to start using this as part of my every day lexicon.

God damn amazing update. After having over-played Melee to the point of annoyance, I can't believe how much I'm looking forward to Brawl. Updates like this only make me chomp at the bit.

...Damn clever marketing ploys. ><;

And while the Medley from OoT may not be visible on the list, let's not forget that it's a strong possibility that an OoT stage may yet emerge. We had two Zelda stages in Melee. I wouldn't be surprised to see another Zelda stage show up at all, with even more selections for music. Anything's possible, I guess. *Shrugs*

[megadave]

Gerudo Valley theme oh snap.

[linkspast]

Cool Three updates in one day... and not only that three Music based updates. Which is what this place is based on. Music. . .

December 3rd cant come too soon... only 86 more days.... wow 86 more updates....

[FuriousFure]

Cool Three updates in one day... and not only that three Music based updates. Which is what this place is based on. Music. . .

December 3rd cant come too soon... only 86 more days.... wow 86 more updates....

I think you're math is a little off, 86 days does not equal 86 updates. damn those weekends!

[Arek the Absolute]

metal version of all the gym battle themes plz

i mean it has been 10 years in the making lets just get it already

[Kureejii Lea]

Oh this is NEAT. I'm gonna be all over collecting CDs.

The Diamond/Pearl Championship battle would be a nice inclusion... obviously so would be a lot of stuff, but yeah. YEE.

[Dunther]

metal version of all the gym battle themes plz
Yeah! I wish!!!

[Global-Trance]

This epic triple music update will be entirely useless though if the music ends up as bad as the samples they're posting though. Here's hoping the in-game quality is absolutely fantastic.

[BardicKnowledge]

So....holy ****. That's about all I've got for today -- this is the best idea ever. Reminds me of the awesomeness I found in Game Informer this month. "If Smash Bros. were a movie it'd be a Godfather remake set in the Star Wars universe starring Spider-Man and the Terminator."

[BigBoss]

Gerudo Valley theme oh snap.

oh my fuck HE'S RIGHT

Edit: 'blah blah samples' shut the fuck up

[megadave]

oh my fuck HE'S RIGHT

Edit: 'blah blah samples' shut the fuck up

I do not understand.

[Dunther]

They can make a option to import the mp3s from the SD card anyway....if they put it we can have gerudo valley and all other nintendo songs that we need :)

[BigBoss]

I do not understand.

All the people complaining about the 'terrible samples'. Who the fuck cares? 'Ognoes, my trained musical ear can't hear the resin grating against the 2nd viola in this song, this is awful I expected better from Nintendo'.

[megadave]

Well, I don't care about that, the music already rocks as is, but I do believe it will sound rad through a surround sound system. At least for a video game.

[Miletus]

My problem with the music is that it sounds like midi. Nintendo have a lot of money, people love music, why not make it sound better, or hire an orchestra or someting.

[Antipode]

All the people complaining about the 'terrible samples'. Who the fuck cares? 'Ognoes, my trained musical ear can't hear the resin grating against the 2nd viola in this song, this is awful I expected better from Nintendo'.
You're trying to get support from the wrong audience. Plus, you can't deny we're all just spoiled because of Melee. People are essentially saying they wish the music was as good as it was in that, not that it would be bad by itself.

[BigBoss]

the music in melee sounded like midi as well

[Jaybell]

This music update is for naught if they don't have Stickerbrush Symphony for the Donkey Kong stage. There's honestly no excuse. I mean, you can have at least for tracks PER STAGE (at least from what we've seen.)

Also bramble stage plzkthx.

MAN typing that post totally got me ridiculously pumped for this game. Three short months till this gem of a game is out...

[Aninymouse]

This music update is for naught if they don't have Stickerbrush Symphony for the Donkey Kong stage. There's honestly no excuse. I mean, you can have at least for tracks PER STAGE (at least from what we've seen.)

Also bramble stage plzkthx.

MAN typing that post totally got me ridiculously pumped for this game. Three short months till this gem of a game is out...


Oh dear God in Heaven, if you see fit to inspire Sakurai with divine ideas of a DKC2-themed stage with lots of DKC2 music, one could NOT complain at all, ever.

[Eulogic]

more liek dk rap

[friendlyHunter]

Things I like most about this update:

7) WOOAH Castle Theme!
6) WOOOOOAH Dark World theme!
5) The chances of having a Gameboy Pokemon chiptune just got WAAAY higher.
4) There's gotta be at least one good song for each stage now!
3) WHOAAAOMG Super Metroid music
2) Brambles!!!!!
1) Turning the DK rap off!

[!Nekko!]

I second the motion for using music on my SD card.

I also wonder how many choices there are per level, because there are scrolling arrows in those screenshots. One of those screenshots had scroll arrows up and down, so at least 6!

Hopefully I get my Wii fixed in time for this game :3

[Antipode]

Things I like most about this update:

7) WOOAH Castle Theme!
6) WOOOOOAH Dark World theme!
5) The chances of having a Gameboy Pokemon chiptune just got WAAAY higher.
4) There's gotta be at least one good song for each stage now!
3) WHOAAAOMG Super Metroid music
2) Brambles!!!!!
1) Turning the DK rap off!

You know, Stickerbrush Symphony was AMAZING, but I really can't hear it in brawl. I think a much better Smash-ish DK song would be the gangplank galleon/k.rool battle theme from the first DKC.

[Hobocop]

You know, Stickerbrush Symphony was AMAZING, but I really can't hear it in brawl. I think a much better Smash-ish DK song would be the gangplank galleon/k.rool battle theme from the first DKC.

I think Ship hold or Boss Bossanova (I think that's what it's called) would probably be the most fitting, in addition to that one. I'm so tired of hearing the same song on DK stages over and over (similarly true for Pokemon). Also, it didn't say that the song choices won't overlap between stages, yet it seems like people are thinking the lists will be exclusive for each individual arena?

I don't mean to go against what people want, but I think letting people use their own music would ruin the game. The whole point of SSB (as a series) is franchise interaction, yet having them bound by common factors. By putting in your own music, it's like withdrawing from the atmosphere and environment the game intends to create, not to mention discrediting the work of all those composers...

[Hylian Lemon]

I don't mean to go against what people want, but I think letting people use their own music would ruin the game. The whole point of SSB (as a series) is franchise interaction, yet having them bound by common factors. By putting in your own music, it's like withdrawing from the atmosphere and environment the game intends to create, not to mention discrediting the work of all those composers...
I agree.

And this update is like the coolest thing ever. Being able to choose from a bunch of different amazing songs? Win.

[Ab56 v2 aka Ash]

I don't mean to go against what people want, but I think letting people use their own music would ruin the game. The whole point of SSB (as a series) is franchise interaction, yet having them bound by common factors. By putting in your own music, it's like withdrawing from the atmosphere and environment the game intends to create, not to mention discrediting the work of all those composers...

No one banned placing appropriate music for each stage. It'll probably be the default.

[I-n-j-i-n]

All the people complaining about the 'terrible samples'. Who the fuck cares? 'Ognoes, my trained musical ear can't hear the resin grating against the 2nd viola in this song, this is awful I expected better from Nintendo'.

I don't care either way either. Give me a lousy/shitty/tinny MIDI and I'd be fine too.

But technically, they have no excuses as usual. Especially for a company the size and pedigree of Nintendo, getting at least slightly better sounding sound should be a non issue. But APPARENTLY, it is. So really, I don't think the complaints can be shot down entirely.

Also, the erotic fanart is remade:

http://kasuga39.free100.tv/image/nintendo_02and03.png

I don't know half of those new girls.

[Aninymouse]

I don't care either way either. Give me a lousy/shitty/tinny MIDI and I'd be fine too.

But technically, they have no excuses as usual. Especially for a company the size and pedigree of Nintendo, getting at least slightly better sounding sound should be a non issue. But APPARENTLY, it is. So really, I don't think the complaints can be shot down entirely.

Also, the erotic fanart is remade:

http://kasuga39.free100.tv/image/nintendo_02and03.png

I don't know half of those new girls.

Sure is a lot of lolicon on that site... :|

[Eulogic]

I don't mean to go against what people want, but I think letting people use their own music would ruin the game. The whole point of SSB (as a series) is franchise interaction, yet having them bound by common factors. By putting in your own music, it's like withdrawing from the atmosphere and environment the game intends to create, not to mention discrediting the work of all those composers...

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. You're telling me that you never muted the TV and play music while playing Smash Bros.?

I've heard the Zelda theme a billion times before. I don't think it will detract from the environment too much in a multiplayer fighting game that I have played thousands of times before if I listen to other music.

On the other hand, if I do want to listen to my own music in a game, I'm more likely to mute the TV and turn on my own music so it's not starting and stopping between matches.

[JackKieser]

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. You're telling me that you never muted the TV and play music while playing Smash Bros.?

I've heard the Zelda theme a billion times before. I don't think it will detract from the environment too much in a multiplayer fighting game that I have played thousands of times before if I listen to other music.

On the other hand, if I do want to listen to my own music in a game, I'm more likely to mute the TV and turn on my own music so it's not starting and stopping between matches.

Um... I haven't. I actually have never played a match against anyone who has. What I think Hobocop is trying to say is that certain songs are put there for a distinct reason, design-wise. Even the choices in songs that we are given are somewhat superficial, because we can't choose any unlocked song for a stage, just unlocked songs that the designers allow. For instance, it looks that I can't have the SMW Castle theme play on Bridge of Eldin.

Allowing people to use SD card music basically allows people to completely bypass every song that was carefully crafted for the game; after all, we don't know yet exactly how things will play out, and it is completely possible that certain songs were hand-crafted to elicit a particular response from us as players.

Besides, there is a difference between using SD cards for music and muting the game to play stuff from iTunes; it seems superficial, but on some psychological level, it's not. By using SD card music, you are trying to blend content into the game that doesn't belong there, which may or may not work with the design of the game. When you are muting the game, you are making a conscious decision to detract yourself from the game; it's kind of like immersion, but in a slightly different way.

--Jack Kieser

[Red Shadow]

--Jack Kieser

[Eulogic]

more like

-chth

[Rambo]

Lets have a vote!
Everyone who has muted the game music and played their own say "I'm queer."
Everyone who hasn't say "I love VG music." :<

Also... Win (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXzg0D-cKds)

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Lets have a vote!
Everyone who has muted the game music and played their own say "I'm queer."
Everyone who hasn't say "I love VG music." :<

Also... Win (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXzg0D-cKds)

I love VGmusic.

Also...
OLD!

[Eulogic]

Lets have a vote!
Everyone who has muted the game music and played their own say "I'm queer."
Everyone who hasn't say "I love VG music." :<

Hurr... Sorry if I get tired of hearing the same repetitive music that I've heard a billion times over and over again. Again, it's a fighting game. It's not like it's ambient music creating a real mood. It's the fucking Mario theme.

[Bigfoot]

My friend showed me a leaked picture of the boxart for Brawl. It looked pretty legit, but it was a pretty small picture. It had the wifi logo on it.

Just wish I payed attention to what site he was on.

[Rambo]

I love VGmusic.

Also...
OLD!

I love VGmusic too. 8)

Geeze, that IS old. Why have I never seen it posted on these forums!

My friend showed me a leaked picture of the boxart for Brawl. It looked pretty legit, but it was a pretty small picture. It had the wifi logo on it.

Just wish I payed attention to what site he was on.
Was it this? Because it IS a very nice looking boxart. http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&product%5Fid=230015 (http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&product%5Fid=230015)

It's fake though, I'd assume, given that it's in ALOT of other places as well without that Wi-Fi logo on it. (http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl/dp/B000FQ9R4E) And because a few of them (most notably link) are in poses I'm certain I've seen before. Like I said though, it's a very nice looking cover. And whoever made it did a good job.

If thats NOT the one you were talking about then God damnit Bigfoot, find out the link. ;-)

[Bigfoot]

Damn, that's the one I was talking about. Oh well :p

[Office Despot]

I think the photos for the FLUDD move clearly show that FLUDD Mario is a completely different character. Nintendo has clearly shown different iterations of the same character are not beyond them, especially for somebody with as many game incarnations as Mario.

[BigBoss]

I think the photos for the FLUDD move clearly show that FLUDD Mario is a completely different character.

yeah that would be retarded

[Rambo]

Damn, that's the one I was talking about. Oh well :p
Poo. I was hoping there was another. I must admit I was a little excited when I saw the Wi-Fi logo. :-(

I think the photos for the FLUDD move clearly show that FLUDD Mario is a completely different character.

Err.. I'd have to disagree. ?

[Silent Mike]

I think the photos for the FLUDD move clearly show that FLUDD Mario is a completely different character. Nintendo has clearly shown different iterations of the same character are not beyond them, especially for somebody with as many game incarnations as Mario.

There are also two versions of Wario. One with a bike and one without. It's not like he's gonna pull the bike out of nowhere, that'd be silly.

[Raziellink]

Uhm, to the people saying that this Mario is another, you might wanna double-check that.

FLUDD pops out when you press Down+B. That tornado attack got replaced, and has bene turned into a regular attack.

[Red Shadow]

am i gonna have to do it in here too

[Antipode]

Hahaha I know what you're talking about. It's getting close. And these are like the only two really active threads...

Anyway, I definitely think Wario's bike WILL just come out of nowhere. Similar to how Yoshi's egg just appears in Melee. His bike is a SPECIAL MOVE, it actually said that on the website.

[Broken]

Hahaha I know what you're talking about. It's getting close. And these are like the only two really active threads...

Anyway, I definitely think Wario's bike WILL just come out of nowhere. Similar to how Yoshi's egg just appears in Melee. His bike is a SPECIAL MOVE, it actually said that on the website.

That's correct. I do wish that you could select multiple iterations of each (or some) character(s), a la Hyper Street FIghter: Anniversary edition. That way we could have like, Windwaker Link and TP link, or something crazy like that. And the screen would be less cluttered if they did things that way, too.

[Antipode]

That's correct. I do wish that you could select multiple iterations of each (or some) character(s), a la Hyper Street FIghter: Anniversary edition. That way we could have like, Windwaker Link and TP link, or something crazy like that. And the screen would be less cluttered if they did things that way, too.

Yeah - better yet, if they replaced the costume system with that. That would also allow for Dr. Mario and Mario to be one, and also Wario and Wario Ware Wario. I know a lot of people have already said that here, but I still think it bears repeating.

[BigBoss]

Anyway, I definitely think Wario's bike WILL just come out of nowhere. Similar to how Yoshi's egg just appears in Melee. His bike is a SPECIAL MOVE, it actually said that on the website.

We all knew this. Mike was being sarcastic.

[friendlyHunter]

There are also two versions of Wario. One with a bike and one without. It's not like he's gonna pull the bike out of nowhere, that'd be silly.

I think the screenshot of Charizard holding a rock clearly shows that there are two versions of the Pokemon trainer. One where Charizard is holding a rock, and one where Charizard is not holding a rock.

I wonder what FLUDD Mario's Final Smash will be...! I think he'll shoot water!

[Ab56 v2 aka Ash]

I wonder what FLUDD Mario's Final Smash will be...! I think he'll shoot water!

FLUDD Mario? He's not a separate character. It's just regular Mario except with FLUDD at down+b.

[Dunther]

For the music discussion:
I sometimes turned the game music off (but not the sound effects) and used my pc to listen some good music that fits in the fight :)
Example: http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=aD-cShG6KOM

[Rambo]

People really lack sarcasm detection on the interwebs.

And to appease Red Shadow:
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[JackKieser]

Aww... no Uncyclopedia links? Too bad...

--Jack Kieser

[Broken]

Put some new vids up. I'd appreciate comments and criticism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdChje3zpfc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf2ba98D64

For some reason, my video capture card isn't capturing in game sound, so I have to keep adding my own background music. It's kind of frustrating. I'd rather save my own music for like a combo video or something. Oh well, I'm just glad my capture card is recording video right now.

[Strike911]

I think the pictures of Charizard holding the rock clearly shows that there are two versions of the Pokemon trainer. One where Charizard is holding a rock, and another where he it not holding a rock.

I wonder what FLUDD Mario's final smash will be...! I think he'll shoot water!

FLUDD Mario? He's not a separate character. It's just regular Mario except with FLUDD at down+b.


I just lawled.

[Jam Stunna]

Put some new vids up. I'd appreciate comments and criticism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdChje3zpfc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf2ba98D64

For some reason, my video capture card isn't capturing in game sound, so I have to keep adding my own background music. It's kind of frustrating. I'd rather save my own music for like a combo video or something. Oh well, I'm just glad my capture card is recording video right now.

Which one are you?

EDIT- In any case, that Roy needs alot of work. He pretty much did everything wrong except edgeguard well. Too many counters, too many DEDs, and he didn't follow up the dtilt with nair or uair a single time. Roy can juggle, and this Roy didn't do any. The Mario was slow and predictable, and didn't press his aerial advantage at all. Nair to dsmash is a pretty basic and reliable Mario combo, and more fireballs would at least keep that Roy honest with his fsmash.

[Global-Trance]

Which one are you?

EDIT- In any case, that Roy needs alot of work. He pretty much did everything wrong except edgeguard well. Too many counters, too many DEDs, and he didn't follow up the dtilt with nair or uair a single time. Roy can juggle, and this Roy didn't do any. The Mario was slow and predictable, and didn't press his aerial advantage at all. Nair to dsmash is a pretty basic and reliable Mario combo, and more fireballs would at least keep that Roy honest with his fsmash.

Pretty slow match, IMO. Jam touched on most of the points I saw. Probably the biggest critique here from me is the videos are chock full of "wrong" moves. I say "wrong" not in the sense that there's a wrong way to play but in the sense that you guys hardly capitalize on openings by not making the wisest choices out of all your options.

[FuriousFure]

so who here uses the C-stick often in battles? just curious.

[Red Shadow]

People really lack sarcasm detection on the interwebs.

And to appease Red Shadow:
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

haha, awesome

[Bigfoot]

so who here uses the C-stick often in battles? just curious.

I do. It especially helps for aerials.