Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Broken]

Which one are you?

EDIT- In any case, that Roy needs alot of work. He pretty much did everything wrong except edgeguard well. Too many counters, too many DEDs, and he didn't follow up the dtilt with nair or uair a single time. Roy can juggle, and this Roy didn't do any. The Mario was slow and predictable, and didn't press his aerial advantage at all. Nair to dsmash is a pretty basic and reliable Mario combo, and more fireballs would at least keep that Roy honest with his fsmash.

I was Mario. Thanks for the critiques. (You too GT, I just don't know how to double quote yet.)

Neither of us play those characters normally if you didn't already notice, but I'll keep in mind what you said about missing openings and I'll try out the nair to d-smash. I also agree that my friend was spamming counter too much. I guess those were the kinds of openings you were talking about. I would use down smash more often but I often get hit in return when I do that because my friend Crouch Cancels just about everything. As a matter of fact, in that video you can see him trying to pull a counter off of a crouch cancel a few times. I'm not really sure of the best way to avoid this.

Did you get to look at the team battle any? The ending is pretty funny. I recorded some more today, but I won't have time to put any of it up until next weekend.

[Mastertoku]

Hm, after reading that, I kind of want some pointers. Any recommendations on methods of recording matches? Me and my rival Tastycorn are both pretty good players, and we're locked in a dead tie right now, so if you could give me some pointers (or shed some light on any of his weak points you see!), that would be helpful.

So. How might I go about making a match for you guys to commentate on?

[Jam Stunna]

Hm, after reading that, I kind of want some pointers. Any recommendations on methods of recording matches? Me and my rival Tastycorn are both pretty good players, and we're locked in a dead tie right now, so if you could give me some pointers (or shed some light on any of his weak points you see!), that would be helpful.

So. How might I go about making a match for you guys to commentate on?

I record matches with a cheap digital camera. Pretty low quality, but it gets the job done.

[Mastertoku]

I record matches with a cheap digital camera. Pretty low quality, but it gets the job done.
Well, what do I have to do to make it not look bad? ie. lighting and such.

[Broken]

Hm, after reading that, I kind of want some pointers. Any recommendations on methods of recording matches? Me and my rival Tastycorn are both pretty good players, and we're locked in a dead tie right now, so if you could give me some pointers (or shed some light on any of his weak points you see!), that would be helpful.

So. How might I go about making a match for you guys to commentate on?

I record all of my footage on cassette tape as I am playing, and then I plug my VCR into my computer's capture card via composite video cables and record what I need using Windows Movie Maker. Unfortunately, I only have composite video cables and no audio; Therefore, I always have to substitute my own audio for the in game audio.

(also, if I used a camera to record, you could hear all of the trash talk that occurs during my matches :)

[Mastertoku]

I record all of my footage on cassette tape as I am playing, and then I plug my VCR into my computer's capture card via composite video cables and record what I need using Windows Movie Maker. Unfortunately, I only have composite video cables and no audio; Therefore, I always have to substitute my own audio for the in game audio.

(also, if I used a camera to record, you could hear all of the trash talk that occurs during my matches :)
I'm afraid I am frightfully undereducated in terms of video capture technology. I suppose I'll just have to use a video camera or something of the sort.

[Jam Stunna]

Well, what do I have to do to make it not look bad? ie. lighting and such.

Make sure you turn off all other lights, and just keep the camera on a flat surface as opposed to trying to hold it yourself.

In other news, I won my first tournament today. Nothing major, just a small thing with like 12 people at my local Game Crazy. The best thing was that I beat my rival for the first time in tournament play, which felt good. I won Zelda: Twilight Princess, so all in all a good day I'd say.

[FuriousFure]

So. How might I go about making a match for you guys to commentate on?

I use this device to record my games. not yet for melee but if I can get it set up it will be used for melee, the Adaptec GameBridge. I got it for 12 dollars from woot.com

here's a sameple. From Halo 3 beta and windows media player. its all in slow-mo. fyi.
http://useruploads.mythica.org/cgi-bin/watch.cgi?f=Halo_Movie-2.wmv&sid=2813341

by next week, I should be recording some melees! woo!

[The Derrit]

just so you peoples know, there's an entire forum of people ready to review your matches. if you go to smashboards.com there are tons of competent players willing to critique you, i go there all the time and i've learned a bunch from conversations and videos. not that we mind doing it here of course.

[Jam Stunna]

just so you peoples know, there's an entire forum of people ready to review your matches. if you go to smashboards.com there are tons of competent players willing to critique you, i go there all the time and i've learned a bunch from conversations and videos. not that we mind doing it here of course.

I've had no luck getting reviews from smashboards. None at all.

[Linkjing Donuts]

ahahah little fatlax will eat samus's suit too i hope

[Mastertoku]

Oh, delightful. I think this little fellow will be quite a boon and quite a bane at the same time.

[Strike911]

hahahaha. That little fattie is hilarious!

That could be a lot of fun in battles with a lot of items... i wonder if it can eat items people are using... that would really be a nice ability but I doubt it'll be able to do that...

and I also wonder how long it hangs around the battlefield. haha.

what a great little Pokemon. It's endearingly fat. haha.

[Amayirot Akago]

Screw that little guy, I wanna know if Mudkip's in there.

[cue obligatory Mudkip jokes]

[Lord.Roderick.i]

So he just eats the items, and thats it?
Will he use their power if he its em?
That'd be cool IMO. If he eats to many, would he evolve?
That'd also be cool :D!

[Hobocop]

I wonder if he reacts differently to different "food." I want to see him take on a couple plates of superspicy curry. I'm also happy to see them using some of the Pokemon from the newer generations...

[Mastertoku]

This is the greatest update ever!

http://www.mojo.rick-gardiner.com/music/music01.html

(Sorry, I know I already put a post, ruining the effect of this, but it's just too brilliant not to share.)

[Arek the Absolute]

its funny cause i was joking about munchlax earlier today when i was talking about pizza i said i was gonna go all munchlax on it and i did

[BardicKnowledge]

Having it evolve to Snorlax after eating X amount of items would be awesome. It'd make a great weapon if someone threw an item (see: Ray Gun) at it.

[Arrow]

Or have it evolve into Snorlax after eating a Final Smash ball.

On that note, I'd hate to be the guy standing next to the Final Smash you were just about to use when Munchlax eats it.

[Final_metroid]

probability of afore-mentioned things happening?

:D


D:

[Airwalker]

its funny cause i was joking about munchlax earlier today when i was talking about pizza i said i was gonna go all munchlax on it and i did

I wish my close friends were those with which I could make post-Red/Blue Pokemon references to. I may be able to sneak one in of the original 151.

[supremespleen]

Brawl got canceled (http://www.ign.com/brawlcancelledomg).

[shikigami]

Brawl got canceled (http://www.ign.com/brawlcancelledomg).

four oh four

[Moseph]

four oh four

The Brawl cancellation got canceled.

[Mastertoku]

I just saw that Munchlax's name in French is Goinfrex. I think that sounds awesome.

Just putting that out there -

EDIT: Oh, JESUS are some people going to be disappointed. An Assist Trohy?

[Linkjing Donuts]

holy krapya (12:01:38 AM): FUCKING SHIT
"Bongo Bill" (12:01:54 AM): I JUST SAW IT
"Bongo Bill" (12:01:55 AM): FUCKING
"Bongo Bill" (12:01:56 AM): SHIT FUCK
holy krapya (12:01:46 AM): FUCK
holy krapya (12:01:47 AM): FUCKF UCK
"Bongo Bill" (12:01:59 AM): SHIT AND FUCK
holy krapya (12:01:48 AM): DAMN IT
"Bongo Bill" (12:01:59 AM): ASS
"Bongo Bill" (12:02:01 AM): COCK
holy krapya (12:01:53 AM): FUCKING ASS BICTH
"Bongo Bill" (12:02:05 AM): DAMN PISS
holy krapya (12:02:02 AM): CROTCH ROT DAMN FUCK
"Bongo Bill" (12:02:20 AM): GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY
"Bongo Bill" (12:02:25 AM): TWENTY THREE SKIDOO
holy krapya (12:02:23 AM): CARN FLAB IT
"Bongo Bill" (12:02:34 AM): COCK AND BALLS (TWO GREAT TASTES THAT TASTE GREAT TOGETHER)
"Bongo Bill" (12:02:36 AM): CHEEZE IT
holy krapya (12:02:32 AM): PIMPMOBILE
"Bongo Bill" (12:02:46 AM): HELL AND ANOTHER HELL

[Arek the Absolute]

totally glad shes not a playable character
good

[Strike911]

I liked Lyn, but I'm totally cool with her being an assist trophy.

I'm cool with this. I hope we see a few more Fire Emblem assist trophies as there are some sweet characters from that franchise.

[Jam Stunna]

So...fucking...close...

[HalcyonSpirit]

So...fucking...close...

I know how you feel, man...

Well, at least she made it in as an assist trophy. It's something.

[The Mutericator]

totally glad shes not a playable character
good

Ditto. I'm glad the FE fans won't get everything they want. I'm sure the hardcore fans are disappointed even though they already got what's-his-name.

[Baleshadow]

I'm just glad Lyn is in at all. This gives me hope for Hector. Assist trophy, playable character, whatever. I want an axe-user in the game.

[The Mutericator]

I'm just glad Lyn is in at all. This gives me hope for Hector. Assist trophy, playable character, whatever. I want an axe-user in the game.

That's fair - I could stand to see more heavy characters.

[Sir_NutS]

Tickles my fancy.

[Kureejii Lea]

I liked Lyn, but I'm totally cool with her being an assist trophy.

I'm cool with this. I hope we see a few more Fire Emblem assist trophies as there are some sweet characters from that franchise.

Yeah, this ain't bad. It's kind of a compromise in a way. I mean, I don't think they want to have twenty sword-wielding playables, but this way some of the recent FE main characters (and others?) still get to make an appearance.

[Zeklan]

Damn.... :(

[Bigfoot]

I never played the FE series(Wish I had though), so her not being a character doesn't really matter to me I guess :P

[Zeklan]

Does this mean I can cheer for Soren now?

[Airwalker]

Still, it's pretty nice that we have all of these varying characters from different games. Smaller players still can pop up on the field, who wouldn't have made it in as playables. It's better than nothing, Lyn fans.

[Baleshadow]

Does this mean I can cheer for Soren now?

You should be cheering for Volke. >:(

just kidding i like soren too

[Azul v2]

Maybe they should have had this girl as the playable and Ike as the assist trophy. But they made the correct decision, what, we have 3 sword chars confirmed already?

[Neo Samus]

That's cool that she is an assist trophy. Now how about confirming the rest of the orignal cast, hm?

[Chizniz]

It would be cool if she appeared in her Blade Lord outfit with that giant novelty rapier of hers. But I guess she's more recognizable in her standard gear.

[cobaltstarfire]

It's cool she's just an assist trophy, theres lots of swordies running around.

I'd like to see a spear wielder make it into the game myself (like maybe her brother?)

[Thylacine]

If Volke's in the game, he'll probably be a clone of Solid Snake. :( Then again, if they don't do clones this time around, they'll probably do assists in lieu of it.

I was hoping for better, but an assist isn't the worst thing to happen. I probably would have taken her as a replacement for Marth, but at least this way she's in the game. It's almost as if the assist is a lame consolation for not fully including the character.

I heard the screams of many fanboys, and it was terrifying indeed.

[Dexie]

Maybe they should have had this girl as the playable and Ike as the assist trophy. But they made the correct decision, what, we have 3 sword chars confirmed already?

Link, Meta-Knight, Ike, Pit.

Then Marth or Roy if they return.

Then Ganon if they give him a new moveset based of WW/TP.

So yeah. Enough swordswingers. I'm glad she's not fully playable.

[Antipode]

Link, Meta-Knight, Ike, Pit.

Then Marth or Roy if they return.

Then Ganon if they give him a new moveset based of WW/TP.

So yeah. Enough swordswingers. I'm glad she's not fully playable.

Plus don't forget that Zero Suit Samus has a whip, and young link is still up in the air.

[Infinity's End]

I personally think that Ganondorf will return, based on TP Ganondorf designs. He will probably use his sword - and if they're smart, they'll make him completely different - give him his sword, etc. Just something to differentiate him completely from Capt. Falcon. If you want an example, try taking a look at how much of a leap Capt. Falcon made from SSB to SSBM. No one seemed to mind. :) And we all know how much ass would be kicked if he morphed into his boar/beast form for Final Smash, right?

[The Author]

I would prefer Windwaker's twin sword style.

[progressive]

I would prefer Windwaker's twin sword style.
Aye, aye. Er, aye. Damn 10 character length rule!

[Bigfoot]

On a random note, I sure hope Sheik isn't in Brawl.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

On a random note, I sure hope Sheik isn't in Brawl.
Really, I think its hard to say he'll be in the game, cuz the Zelda feeling is TP not OT, but they'll break a lot of ppl hearts by deleting him from the game (including mine :-() IMO

[Mastertoku]

I think that if there's going to be any more Fire Emblem characters in the game, I'd like to see some magic users or an axe person. Perhaps Hector's Final Smash could be Armads. Oh, and for the record, if they put Lyon in the game, my joy will be know no bounds. Three cheers for ancient dark secret magic demons.
It would have been interesting to see Lyn's capabilities as a combatant, but I suppose this is acceptable. After all, Lundgren's not here to challenge her.

[FuriousFure]

Really, I think its hard to say he'll be in the game, cuz the Zelda feeling is TP not OT, but they'll break a lot of ppl hearts by deleting him from the game (including mine :-() IMO

lol, gender confusion.

[Arek the Absolute]

It's cool she's just an assist trophy, theres lots of swordies running around.

I'd like to see a spear wielder make it into the game myself (like maybe her brother?)

u iz thinkin of eirika
eph would be awesome
ive been wantin the weapon triangle in for a while

[cobaltstarfire]

u iz thinkin of eirika
eph would be awesome
ive been wantin the weapon triangle in for a while


Arrr woops, they both look the same (to me) then. *goes to replay some games*

I have to wonder what smash bros obsession is with swordy weapons...

Although it WOULD be cool if gannon was duel wielding like in WW, that's different than just running around with a one hander/bastard sword.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I think Prince Ephraim in Fire Emblem Sacred Stones would be great because for one, he is a spear wielder.

[Hector]

I won't be fully satisfied with a fire-emblem character until I get to choose between four different weapons--each of which slowly breaks as I use it. Imagine if Marth's sword had actually broken at times in Smash and he suddenly had to fight more like one of the brawlers.

[Strike911]

I think Prince Ephraim in Fire Emblem Sacred Stones would be great because for one, he is a spear wielder.

I would love that.

Maybe a mounted spearman. I don't know how a horse would play in the mix, but it'd be hella awesome I bet. Maybe you spawned with it, but could fall of it and it'd run away or something, hell, i dunno. Haha. A horse would just be silly actually, but hey, Wario has a motorcycle so maybe it could work. *shrugs*


... waits for update...

Edit:

Halberd! That's a pretty cool looking level. I like how it's a battleship. A version of something like this with Bowser's floating battlehips would be awesome too. Heh.

I like how it starts not moving, and then starts flying all over the damn place, then you're actually fighting on it. Good stuff.

[JackKieser]

'It's Metaknight's battleship... isn't it?'


I don't know, Sakurai, is it? You'd think he'd have information like that.

*snicker*

--Jack Kieser

[Mastertoku]

If it plays an important part in SubEm, then chances are the Ancient Minister's going to be using it, I think.

Wait a sec. Look at the Ancient Minister's eyes.

It all makes sense now!

SPOILER: The Ancient Minister is Meta Knight!

[Lord.Roderick.i]

lol, gender confusion.
Oops, I totally forgot he was a she :P

[Ray Falling]

If it plays an important part in SubEm, then chances are the Ancient Minister's going to be using it, I think.

Wait a sec. Look at the Ancient Minister's eyes.

It all makes sense now!

SPOILER: The Ancient Minister is Meta Knight!

Thanks for ruining it for...well...everybody ;_;

Eheheheh just kidding. Meta Knight actually appears to be playable in the adventure mode, so he can't be the minister..or can he??? 0_0;

[Dunther]

Woa! The Big Cannon's returns! :D With the mechanic arm!

[The Mutericator]

Woa! The Big Cannon's returns! :D With the mechanic arm!

HEAVY LOBSTER FOR BRAWL BOSS HEAVY LOBSTER FOR BRAWL BOSS HEAVY LOBSTER FOR BRAWL BOSS HEAVY LOBSTER FOR BRAWL BOSS HEAVY LOBSTER FOR BRAWL BOSS

[Dunther]

HEAVY LOBSTER FOR BRAWL BOSS HEAVY LOBSTER FOR BRAWL BOSS HEAVY LOBSTER FOR BRAWL BOSS HEAVY LOBSTER FOR BRAWL BOSS HEAVY LOBSTER FOR BRAWL BOSS

I hope it too!! Maybe it's possible!

[Thalzon]

Thanks for ruining it for...well...everybody ;_;

Eheheheh just kidding. Meta Knight actually appears to be playable in the adventure mode, so he can't be the minister..or can he??? 0_0;

Well, if you can choose your character, then the Ancient Minister can be changed to a clone of Meta-Knight in Adventure Mode.

However, I think it unlikely that you'll be able to choose. You probably start as Kirby versus Petey Piranha, then change over to Pit after the stadium's engulfed in the bomb blast. And it just keeps going like that...

[megadave]

Skeletor for brawl.

[Dunther]

Skeletor for brawl.

Skeletor? ---> http://secondnegative.com/images/skeletor.jpg

[The Author]

Naruto, Goku, and Gojito for Brawl.

...


Although an all out anime inspired brawl clone would rock. I'd only use Goldorak though.

...


GOLDORAK FOR BRAWL!!!

[megadave]

Skeletor? ---> http://secondnegative.com/images/skeletor.jpg

Damn straight. Skeletor would be awesome (it has to include voice acting).

[Sir_NutS]

cool stage.

[Azul v2]

I'm wondering....will it eventually let you play on the ship? Or just stay on the platforms and the ship is in the background the whole time?

[The Author]

I'm wondering....will it eventually let you play on the ship? Or just stay on the platforms and the ship is in the background the whole time?

These little odd lines are called letters. If you read them they form words.

These words form sentences.

These sentences tell ideas.

And if you read and understand them, then you don't get flamed for asking stupid questions answered in the post AND in the screenshots, which btw require no reading at all...

[Miletus]

In the third screenshot there's a hole that looks like the platforms would fit in, and in the forth it looks as if they're fighting on the pink carpet right in front of the cannon. Plus the whole "you land on the ship's deck" quote.

[Azul v2]

These little odd lines are called letters. If you read them they form words.

These words form sentences.

These sentences tell ideas.

And if you read and understand them, then you don't get flamed for asking stupid questions answered in the post AND in the screenshots, which btw require no reading at all...

Yes, Oliver, I read the site and looked at the screenshots, but it was a little unclear because the platforms will still there when the ship was up close, and didn't know if it was like the F-Zero stage. Like do the platforms disappear for good, or do you have to get back on them again. Thats what I was trying to say.

[The Author]

Yes, Oliver, I read the site and looked at the screenshots, but it was a little unclear because the platforms will still there when the ship was up close, and didn't know if it was like the F-Zero stage. Like do the platforms disappear for good, or do you have to get back on them again. Thats what I was trying to say.


Well, Octorok, your original post asked if you played on the ship (yes) and if the ship was in the background all the time (no).

If you want to ask a question, you are better off asking that question instead of two unrelated ones. Due to the post, I cannot give you a definitive answer, but every moving levels in SSBM had a sort of cycle, maybe this one does that too.

[FlagshipAmadeus]

In the last screenshot, Pit down in the corner looked a lot like Chansey at first glance.

[BardicKnowledge]

I really like the inclusion of the cannon from Superstar -- nice attention to detail!

[The Author]

For a good laugh, go on Wikipedia and read the SSBB talk page.


About the boxart:


"I'm pretty sure its fake...I don't really know. Since the characters on the box are ones that have been confirmed, there is a possibility it is fake."


So, because it uses confirmed characters it could be a fake... that's a nice twisted form of logic...

[Neo Samus]

For a good laugh, go on Wikipedia and read the SSBB talk page.


About the boxart:


"I'm pretty sure its fake...I don't really know. Since the characters on the box are ones that have been confirmed, there is a possibility it is fake."


So, because it uses confirmed characters it could be a fake... that's a nice twisted form of logic...

I had to LOL at that comment on the talk page.

[Iggy Enigma]

Link, Meta-Knight, Ike, Pit.

Then Marth or Roy if they return.

Then Ganon if they give him a new moveset based of WW/TP.

So yeah. Enough swordswingers. I'm glad she's not fully playable.

The swords of Meta-Knight and Pit are so freakin' short that they don't really count. As in they don't give a character ridiculous reach, which is undoubtedly what you (and I) find so cheap about sword users. If Lyn and Ike had replaced Marth and Roy as I had hoped, there would have been two non-Link sword characters, just like last time. (Link is entitled.) Oh well.

Although, this Assist Trophy has possible... unintentional strategic uses.
Fanboy: ZOMG it's Lyn, I can't stop ogling her, ARGH I WAS DISTRACTED AND NOW I AM DEAD

[Dexie]

The swords of Meta-Knight and Pit are so freakin' short that they don't really count. As in they don't give a character ridiculous reach, which is undoubtedly what you (and I) find so cheap about sword users. If Lyn and Ike had replaced Marth and Roy as I had hoped, there would have been two non-Link sword characters, just like last time. (Link is entitled.) Oh well.

Although, this Assist Trophy has possible... unintentional strategic uses.
Fanboy: ZOMG it's Lyn, I can't stop ogling her, ARGH I WAS DISTRACTED AND NOW I AM DEAD

....when did I say I found sword-users cheap? I'd just like to see more variety in the game than a bunch of sword-wielders.

[Airwalker]

I am hoping for a character wielding a spork.

[Raziellink]

Well, Octorok,

That's harsh! :D

[The Mutericator]

....when did I say I found sword-users cheap? I'd just like to see more variety in the game than a bunch of sword-wielders.

Ditto that. Whether the swords are short or not doesn't matter, the fact is that they're swordies with the rest. To be honest, I'd rather see Ike replaced with Hector, simply because he's an axeman, not a swordsman.

[Eulogic]

Who cares? It's not like the characters will play similarly.

[Jam Stunna]

Who cares? It's not like the characters will play similarly.

My thoughts exactly. I'm not sure why there's so much sword hate. It's not like there aren't characters that outreach the sword characters anyway.

[Azul v2]

That's harsh! :D

Not really, I've been here since 2004, but was banned during the sidebar shenanigans. I have plenty of posts, but don't care about count.

[Iggy Enigma]

....when did I say I found sword-users cheap? I'd just like to see more variety in the game than a bunch of sword-wielders.

Oh, that's what you meant. Well, you've definitely got a point there.

However, I think Hector is very, very unlikely. He would not only be powerful, but it's unlikely that he'd be slow like Bowser to compensate. And then he'd have the axe. He would be like Melee's Ganondorf with double the range. Waaay too cheap. (Hence why I don't want TP Swordslinger Ganondorf to show up.)

Logic, this is fanboys. Fanboys, this is logic. Now I know you two don't normally get along, but...

[Mastertoku]

Oh, that's what you meant. Well, you've definitely got a point there.

However, I think Hector is very, very unlikely. He would not only be powerful, but it's unlikely that he'd be slow like Bowser to compensate. And then he'd have the axe. He would be like Melee's Ganondorf with double the range. Waaay too cheap. (Hence why I don't want TP Swordslinger Ganondorf to show up.)

Logic, this is fanboys. Fanboys, this is logic. Now I know you two don't normally get along, but...
And why would it be unlikely that he's slow? Look at all the guy's armor.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m285/Mastertoku/Hector.jpg
Tell me you could sprint in that.

[Ciel]

It is treachery of the highest order that Lyndis is not playable.

Here's hoping for Eirika.

--Jack Kieser.

[Arek the Absolute]

we have enough fucking swordies


--Jack Kieser.

[StarZander]

Stamina Mega Flower Curry Heavy Slow Angled Brawl!

[Linkjing Donuts]

holy shit, i've always wanted to combine a bunch of special melee's before.

god this is going to be fun


--Jack Kieser.

[Eulogic]

all but confirms a ton of returning items too

[Strike911]

this update is cool but with only a few exceptions (and the ability to combine special melee options) most of this stuff is just from melee. I was hoping we'd seen more status affecting things like the bunny hood, the flower, and curry, but it appears the only NEW things in this is, well, curry and "reflect," which I guess is either the affect of the Franklin Badge, or just all projectiles reflect.

Metal Mario looks pretty sweet.

[JoeFu]

Flower Metal Fire Mega Angle melee will be fun

--Jack Kieser.

[Azul v2]

this update is cool but with only a few exceptions (and the ability to combine special melee options) most of this stuff is just from melee. I was hoping we'd seen more status affecting things like the bunny hood, the flower, and curry, but it appears the only NEW things in this is, well, curry and "reflect," which I guess is either the affect of the Franklin Badge, or just all projectiles reflect.

Metal Mario looks pretty sweet.

Patience, padawan. I'm sure there are plenty of items left, and more status changing items if the trend means anything.

[The Mutericator]

Patience, padawan. I'm sure there are plenty of items left, and more status changing items if the trend means anything.
And angled.

But Azul here has a point - I'm sure there are several more we don't yet know of yet.

[The Author]

Giant Metal Rabbit Ears 300% Curry Reversed Camera Sudden Death High Gravity Match.

[megadave]

There must be more options for Brawl, because Melee had way more than the list shown today.

[Ray Falling]

I don't think there will be a lot more options than those shown, but there's a decent number of combinations so there's not really a need for more options.

Did anyone even play the special melee a lot? I think it's great that they're taking a lot from the older games and just build on that.

Making all new modes could backfire; I like the familiarity they have now, alongside all the new things. :)

[Dunther]

Damn great update!

I like the idea of combine the Melee's special modes (not at the levels of an Action Replay anyway :P )...but seems that there is the same problem for Stamina: the HP is only 150!

My teory of the variable gravity was confirmed :)

I hope that the status changes that we seen are not all...

[Sir_NutS]

Sakurai's the man.

I was just thinking if homerun contest would be included again. I really hope so, but I also wish they give out rewards for doing it right. Get 500 feet with each character and get a bonus, get 1000 feet and get another bonus, etc. I liked Melee's HRC but it was a little shallow and nothing more than a small distraction for slow days. Addin value would make me want to play it more.

[Mastertoku]

It’s a Stamina Mega Flower Curry Heavy Slow Angled Brawl!

One of the best Sakurai quotes so far, I think.

I personally will be eager to try a Stamina Reflect Light Slow Brawl.

[The Author]

I have to throw in some wild theory your way, get ready to dodge it:

New Character:

Your Mii.

Move set:
B: Tennis hit (throw the ball and hit it)
Side B: Golf drive (ball in an arc fashion)
Down B: Bowling Ball throw
Up B: Baseball bat twirling like an helicopter

A moves based on Boxing

Final Smash: Giant hands grab the other characters and throw them in random directions.

[Thalzon]

Final Smash should be a Mii Parade.

[The Author]

Final Smash should be a Mii Parade.
Nah, the Stage is gonna be a Mii parade. Kinda like the Mario Kart track, you have to avoid the Miis being sorted and stuff.

[Sir_NutS]

Miis could be an awesome replacement to Mr G&W.

I do think a mii has a very high probability of being a playable character. After all, miis represent the Wii and are part of nintendo's comeback in the industry, they are almost like an established mascot now.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

This update is 2nd best so far IMO
I really love it, I always liked special melee, like Super Sudden Death and Giant Melee.
So this will own.
And I'm sure we will be able to unlock more options by beating the game or something.

[Neo Samus]

Nah, the Stage is gonna be a Mii parade. Kinda like the Mario Kart track, you have to avoid the Miis being sorted and stuff.

Also, the Mii's in the stage would be the ones in your parade. That would be awesome. Oh yeah and the Mii's in the Mii Plaza.

[The Author]

Also, the Mii's in the stage would be the ones in your parade. That would be awesome. Oh yeah and the Mii's in the Mii Plaza.

Hmmm, that might just make my main Mii fighter my Nice Mii.

[BardicKnowledge]

I wonder if size of Mii would matter for hitboxes? Or what solution they use to get around said problem...

[FuriousFure]

I had an idea of Mii as a Playable character. it would follow how skinny and tall you made him. heavier characters would be slower and more powerful and of course lighter Miis would be faster and weakers.

or


They Make a generic Body used my All Mii's like what they do for Wii sports and the only thing they would change would be the face which is the only important part.

other than that, the Gender plays an important role, one could set the generic female mii to be fast and light and the male generic body be heavier and more powerful.

[eternal Zero]

I saw a "Reflect" in the status area next to curry. This leads me to believe there is a reflector item. Any thoughts? (Sorry if it's been brought up...haven't been around.)

[Cecilff2]

I saw a "Reflect" in the status area next to curry. This leads me to believe there is a reflector item. Any thoughts? (Sorry if it's been brought up...haven't been around.)

I think it's probably the Franklin badge that was released a week or two back(or three?).

I'm loving these options to customize stuff they're putting into this version. Music, game types, whatever those stamps might be used for.

[Global-Trance]

I was Mario. Thanks for the critiques. (You too GT, I just don't know how to double quote yet.)

Neither of us play those characters normally if you didn't already notice, but I'll keep in mind what you said about missing openings and I'll try out the nair to d-smash. I also agree that my friend was spamming counter too much. I guess those were the kinds of openings you were talking about. I would use down smash more often but I often get hit in return when I do that because my friend Crouch Cancels just about everything. As a matter of fact, in that video you can see him trying to pull a counter off of a crouch cancel a few times. I'm not really sure of the best way to avoid this.

Did you get to look at the team battle any? The ending is pretty funny. I recorded some more today, but I won't have time to put any of it up until next weekend.

Sorry for quoting this from like 10 pages back but I didn't get a chance to see this response. The best way to avoid someone that's trying to Crouch Cancel is to simply avoid it. I mean if you're going to attack someone and they are clearly crouching, chances are they are going to try to set you up in a counter and capitalize. So to minimize your chance of getting owned here is to chip away from afar (use of projectiles or with someone that has a lot of range in their attacks) or use aerials that allow you to pass through them quickly while dropping some damage. Considering these options is highly dependent on who you are and who you are fighting. So just use your head and figure out what's best.

[Bigfoot]

GT, got any tips against someone that whores out Sheik? lol

[Broken]

GT, got any tips against someone that whores out Sheik? lol

Don't get tilt'd. Also, depending on who you are (heavy or light,) I think you can DI AWAY from her f-air (Sheik's bread and butter) if she tries to set you up into it.

[Drack]

GT, got any tips against someone that whores out Sheik? lol

Shieldgrab.

[Bigfoot]

How do you DI again? I remember seeing it in a video, but I can't find it and smashboards is down.

edit: nm, it's up now.

[Global-Trance]

DI is just using the control stick to influence the direction / momentum you are being thrown about. Most people only use the control stick, but those in the know use both the control stick and the C-stick. More specifically they use it for Smash DI. Basically it's a more effective DI with much more noticeable results. Basically you slam both sticks in the direction you want to DI on impact of an attack or throw. Timed wrong and you end up not getting awesome results.

Also the tip for Sheik about shieldgrabbing has a lot of risk involved in my opinion. Attempting to shieldgrab a Sheik that L-Cancels effectively and follows up with a quick attack like down smash within one or two frames after, you will be the one that will be getting capitalized on. Also with how fast Sheik's grab and how much range it has... attempting to shieldgrab might just get you grabbed first also. Granted all this stuff I'm saying is most of the stuff you'll experience against tournament level Sheik players and if you haven't been exposed to a real tournament, the subtleties I just mentioned aren't something you'll immediately think of. Sheik is a tough customer in a hands of a skilled player so I guess the most I can say about going up against skilled Sheiks is to bait and counter and be considerably careful not to get grabbed. Sheik's down throw sets easily sets up to tilt spams and eventually an up smash or forward air. Also be mindful of the needles that are stored up because even just one needle can throw off your groove and momentum. Heh, I recall one of my friends actually uses full charge air needles to force you to block, wavelands on the way down, then grabs. I'm pretty sure he's on the power rankings of California by now... Anyways, I guess that's all I've got to say about Sheik.

Oh I nearly forgot. If you're a Samus player, you can really screw over Sheiks if you kill their second jump and nail them with a down smash. Samus's down smash sweep turns people around... so if Sheik's back is to the stage and she's without a jump, the up B smoke won't be able to save her unless she can appear above the stage. She won't be able to grab edge!


Edit: Guys, if any of the advice and tips I'm giving out isn't as great as it could be, feel free to contribute and let me know. I hold my own against top state players (as far as I know, in California and Texas), but I've only been playing Smash for a little under two years so I'm sure there is a lot I still need to learn!

[Bigfoot]

Thanks for the advice.

My friends and I aren't really awesome or anything. I've had the game for years, but never played with actual players that much(none were tourney level anyway). We just started playing this year together a few times a week. We just try to watch videos and learn from them.

If I get the chance to, I'll try and record some matches to show you our level :P

[Jam Stunna]

Also against Sheik, try to avoid stages with platforms. She will needle-cancel and fair/uair you to death.

[Broken]

DI is just using the control stick to influence the direction / momentum you are being thrown about. Most people only use the control stick, but those in the know use both the control stick and the C-stick. More specifically they use it for Smash DI. Basically it's a more effective DI with much more noticeable results. Basically you slam both sticks in the direction you want to DI on impact of an attack or throw. Timed wrong and you end up not getting awesome results.

Also the tip for Sheik about shieldgrabbing has a lot of risk involved in my opinion. Attempting to shieldgrab a Sheik that L-Cancels effectively and follows up with a quick attack like down smash within one or two frames after, you will be the one that will be getting capitalized on. Also with how fast Sheik's grab and how much range it has... attempting to shieldgrab might just get you grabbed first also. Granted all this stuff I'm saying is most of the stuff you'll experience against tournament level Sheik players and if you haven't been exposed to a real tournament, the subtleties I just mentioned aren't something you'll immediately think of. Sheik is a tough customer in a hands of a skilled player so I guess the most I can say about going up against skilled Sheiks is to bait and counter and be considerably careful not to get grabbed. Sheik's down throw sets easily sets up to tilt spams and eventually an up smash or forward air. Also be mindful of the needles that are stored up because even just one needle can throw off your groove and momentum. Heh, I recall one of my friends actually uses full charge air needles to force you to block, wavelands on the way down, then grabs. I'm pretty sure he's on the power rankings of California by now... Anyways, I guess that's all I've got to say about Sheik.

Oh I nearly forgot. If you're a Samus player, you can really screw over Sheiks if you kill their second jump and nail them with a down smash. Samus's down smash sweep turns people around... so if Sheik's back is to the stage and she's without a jump, the up B smoke won't be able to save her unless she can appear above the stage. She won't be able to grab edge!


Edit: Guys, if any of the advice and tips I'm giving out isn't as great as it could be, feel free to contribute and let me know. I hold my own against top state players (as far as I know, in California and Texas), but I've only been playing Smash for a little under two years so I'm sure there is a lot I still need to learn!

Another lesson from our Melee dictionary, GT, haha. Couldn't have described it better myself. I would add though that in order to survive killing attacks, you try to DI perpendicular to AND towards the direction that you are hit. So, if you get foward smashed off the stage, press up and toward the stage. That way, your foward momentum is halted and you move toward the top corner of the screen (a kind of safe haven from losing your stock.) I think the best way to do it is to press the c-stick toward the opponent and the joystick perpendicularly upward from your trajectory.

If any of that was wrong, feel free to correct me. That's what I remembef from Wak's "Advanced How to Play" guides and it's worked pretty well for me. DI'ing has really opened up new avenues for my gameplay. So has learning how to edge tech.

Edit: Does anyone else here play Peach besides myself? I need someone to exchange knowledge with on certain match-ups.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

My brother plays peach, and fucking owns with her.

He's a little bitch.

[The Derrit]

I know the matchups pretty well, i've been playing for two-threeish years (though i live in nh so there's not a huge amount of competition). but i know my smash, so what matchup are you worried about?

also, for shieks while they're obviously a broken breed (completely unfair for those who don't know the lingo) most shieks you play will be more offensive than they should be. very high level sheiks will not, but for anyone below that i think its safe to say that your best bet is to capitalize on that. if you play defensively, running off and pressuring with whatever long range stuff you might have, you can wait for a sheik to make a mistake and then react from there. its a bitch thing to do i know, but its worked well for me in my experience.

[Global-Trance]

I know the matchups pretty well, i've been playing for two-threeish years (though i live in nh so there's not a huge amount of competition). but i know my smash, so what matchup are you worried about?

also, for shieks while they're obviously a broken breed (completely unfair for those who don't know the lingo) most shieks you play will be more offensive than they should be. very high level sheiks will not, but for anyone below that i think its safe to say that your best bet is to capitalize on that. if you play defensively, running off and pressuring with whatever long range stuff you might have, you can wait for a sheik to make a mistake and then react from there. its a bitch thing to do i know, but its worked well for me in my experience.

This is pretty much the entire summary of how to play Smash in a smart and competitive sense. Nothing to it really. It's all in the mind.

As for Peach, Peach's main strengths come from the air, mainly because of the mechanics of the float. They somehow thought it would be amazing just to give her the float cancel, which is an automatic L-Cancel immediately after a float... incredibly deadly as any float approach with her down air can lead directly into a down smash without any lag whatsoever. Peach's down smash has got to be the cheapest thing in the game. I'd rather fight Sheik than fight Peach. I mean, Peach doesn't die because she can float. She doesn't need to L-Cancel half her crap. She has that stupid down smash. And she gets to use "items" whenever she wants. ARGH. The only weakness I see in Peach is the fact that she has a slow jump. Falco Laser laser laser pew pew pew all day long from me :]

[Broken]

Yeah, I guess if you can pull a perfect float cancel out whenever you do an aerial, then Peach would be pretty unstopable, and I'm sure there are some Peaches that can float cancel just about everything, but I'm certainly not at that level yet. Being good at Peach to me is 100% execution, 50% mindgames, if that makes any sense. I basically mean that you not only have to be solid on executing all of her little exploits and techniques to be good,but you have to put each one to use differently on each character. Peach has few or no garuanteed combos on anyone that I can think of. But she's amazingly unorthodx, which I love, and her recovery is superb when I employ good DI.

Thanks for the match up tips, ya'll. On Fast Fallers, I usually give them hell with chain grabing, d-smashing and edge gaurding, sheik and marth I have to play a little bit differently. I'm actually having the most trouble against low tier characters now (becuase I just don't play them enough.) Other floaties give me grief (zelda, wuigi, i.c.'s etc.)

Edit: and GT, the Downsmash is very punishable, as I'm sure you've figured out. Peach's upper body is basically a big knee or drill target if used at an improper time.

And damn Falco's lazers. Am I supposed to float over those things or something? argh, they're so spammable.

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, my friends would get pissed at her down smash. "60% already! WTF!"

[Broken]

Yeah, my friends would get pissed at her down smash. "60% already! WTF!"

It's the best feeling in the world, believe me.

"That's what you get for crouch cancelling me, SON!"

[Global-Trance]

Obviously the down smash is punishable but I mean the risk is almost well worth it. The move lasts forever and it has a lot more range than it looks. As for the lasers, just gotta find an opportunity to get out of the way and float over. Also I don't know what you mean by "perfect float cancel." If you float, you automatically L-Cancel. There's not much to it.

[Broken]

Obviously the down smash is punishable but I mean the risk is almost well worth it. The move lasts forever and it has a lot more range than it looks. As for the lasers, just gotta find an opportunity to get out of the way and float over. Also I don't know what you mean by "perfect float cancel." If you float, you automatically L-Cancel. There's not much to it.

You do L-cancel, but depending on when you drop from the float it depends on how much of the attack comes out. That can affect whether or not your opponent has time to sheild grab you sometimes. I basically mean that it's possible to mess up a FC, that's all.

[Global-Trance]

You do L-cancel, but depending on when you drop from the float it depends on how much of the attack comes out. That can affect whether or not your opponent has time to sheild grab you sometimes. I basically mean that it's possible to mess up a FC, that's all.

None of the moves really lag at all except for forward air. I've tried it a lot before and that's the only time there should really be a problem. Only time I can see someone really messing this up is if you confuse float with the double jump cancel, which MUST be L-Cancelled. Also get on AIM LOL.

[Broken]

None of the moves really lag at all except for forward air. I've tried it a lot before and that's the only time there should really be a problem. Only time I can see someone really messing this up is if you confuse float with the double jump cancel, which MUST be L-Cancelled. Also get on AIM LOL.

Good point. I gotta go to sleep right now, though. It's 1 AM over here. We WILL argue more later. Not here though, I guess, lol.

[Mastertoku]

Final Smash should be a Mii Parade.
Final Smash should be a Sakurai Mii who rewrites the game's coding and glitches up the other players.

[nohero]

YESSS!!! The Climbers didn't get the axe!!!

[Paratha]

They're back? Unexpected.

Captain Falcon, where are you?

[Linkjing Donuts]

this should end some rumors

[Eulogic]

Good to have my number two character back.

[Kureejii Lea]

Well, I'm surprised. Not that I have anything against them.

[Global-Trance]

Wasn't all the stuff about axing characters mostly rumors anyways? Nothing was ever confirmed.

But anyways to be on topic of tonight's update...

YES!

[Arek the Absolute]

ice climbers
fucking sweet


wobble wobble

[I-n-j-i-n]

I'm fine with those charas, but it still would be better with Lyn instead of making a huge ruckus over fucking statues.

[Mastertoku]

I'm not exactly delighted to see 'em again - little buggers were a bit annoying - but it's nice to know which Melee-ers to start training against, all the same.

Good Lord! See them doing the footstool jump in that screenshot? They're wearing spiked shoes! Is Kirby being perforated?!

EDIT: On a completely unrelated topic, I hope they bring back the concept of Past Stages again. It's be nice to brawl on the Melee Corneria - assuming they don't update it somehow for Brawl or something. The only ship we have of Star Fox so far is the Pleiades.

[Binjovi]

I had a feeling they'd return. Mostly due to the fact that they seem to be adding a lot of variety to how characters play. One of the quirkiest characters in Melee is the Ice Climbers pair, so it seemed natural that they'd be stickin' around. On another note... That fur looks great!

[Eulogic]

Huh... their mallets are on the ground in the last picture. Perhaps characters perform a celebration on the actual stage after a match in Brawl? Or maybe it's a character intro? Or single-player related?

Taunt is possible, but it would seem like it would take a bit long for them to drop and then re-pick up the mallets. Also, that looks like their taunt in the upper-left pic.

[Mastertoku]

Huh... their mallets are on the ground in the last picture. Perhaps characters perform a celebration on the actual stage after a match in Brawl? Or maybe it's a character intro? Or single-player related?

Taunt is possible, but it would seem like it would take a bit long for them to drop and then re-pick up the mallets.
Final Smash, maybe?

They put down their hammers, do a traditional Climberian dance and summon a yeti?

[Strike911]

I know it's already been said, but ...

thank goodness the rumors about all those character omissions have to eat it now.

*sigh of relief*

Glad to see the annoying little buggers.

[Neo Samus]

Fianlly the rumors....well most of them anyways....can be put to rest. I'm not much a fan of the Ice Climbers but still glad to see them return.

[FuriousFure]

Final Smash, maybe?

They put down their hammers, do a traditional Climberian dance and summon a yeti?


ah sarcasm. well, you can see no fiery eyes.

as my for my personal opinion, BOOOOO! I wanted a Mario & Luigi (M&L:PiT) replacement. My spirit is crushed. :C

[Lord.Roderick.i]

And everyone said they were goners, good to see they were only rumors. I actually enjoyed playing as them.

[Amayirot Akago]

Yay, Ice Climbers are back! Now if only Captain Falcon would show his mug one of these days I can die a happy man.

On a sidenote, this thread has reached page 666.

Just thought you ought to know.

[I-n-j-i-n]

To think about it, I probably used Ice Climbers more than anyone else because of the chaos they can wreak if they're separated (ironic I know, since they're mostly better when together).

But really, I wouldn't even blink if they decide to take out even my favorite characters for an entirely new cast. At least I hope they now plan on announcing only new characters.

[Fishy]

Yay, Ice Climbers are back! Now if only Captain Falcon would show his mug one of these days I can die a happy man.

He has to come back, you can't not include him.

[Ray Falling]

WTF

When I try to get to the smashbros site it takes me to one of them fake pages that suggests the domain name is still available and holds a ton of ads T__T;

[Jam Stunna]

Yes, my main is back. Chaingrabs ftw.

[Bigfoot]

HELL YES

I love Ice Climbers.

[The Author]

Gives me hope for MY main: Jigglypuff.

However, now we have 2 scrolling stages?

[Mr.Roboto]

Where's Captain Falcon..

:(

[The Mutericator]

Where's Captain Falcon..

:(

He'll be there. They already introduced Samurai Goroh, remember?

Now let's just hope they fixed that little disjointed grab-hit trick you could do with them in Melee...

[Broken]

Oh boy, Ice Climbers are back....Well, I guess I'll just have to deal with it.

[Infinity's End]

Well I'm sure this message will be ignored like all the rest, but anyway...

I really hate to say it, (and I REALLY hope I'm wrong) but the roster is complete. We have 4 Veterans left: Capt. Falcon, Ness, Luigi, and Jigglypuff. And then there's Snake in the newbies. They're going to leave him for last I bet.

like i said, REALLY REALLY hope I'm wrong, but I'm going to just say I think that's it as far as the roster goes. That makes 24 Characters total (25 if you count Sheik). Not bad, but I'd really hope for Ganondorf to return...ESPECIALLY in TP style...

[The Derrit]

well... you can say that if you want but you're still 100% wrong. sakurai himself said there will be around 30-40 combatants, likely right in the middle of those numbers. so that's probably not correct.

[Infinity's End]

well, there's also the possibility that they're not going to release anymore after these 24/25 come out, too. They might have 10 or so secret characters up their sleeve? 35 characters? Sounds good to me.

[Ninja-san]

Yes Ice Climbers! I was worried they wouldn't be coming back.

[Airwalker]

I wouldn't bother making predictions sound like facts. Sakurai has a way of always proving us wrong.

[Raziellink]

Damnit, not those again. Well yeah, they are fun, but i always disliked them!

[Dunther]

Yay! Ice Climbers' return!!!!

[Adam_Slight]

fuck yeah! I hope this pisses a lot of people off....I love the Ice Climbers

[megadave]

OH MY GOD THIS IS BULLSHIT. THEY HAD TO BRING THOSE GUYS BACK??!!!

Nah, I'm just kidding. Good for you people who are used to playing ice climbers. I'm still awaiting Little Mac and King Hippo. I will be a happy man if that occurs (I bet we will see them as assist trophies if they do appear)

[The Author]

I just hope they change the stage. Make it "tournament ready" by putting them at the top of their stage, something like that:


#
________
¬ ¬
| |
| ___ ___ |
| |
| ___ |
| |
|_____ _____|
Where # would be the bird.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

You know what they need to do? They need to have Doc from punch-out as an assist trophy, who only works against Wario, by stealing his bike.

[Bigfoot]

You know what they need to do? They need to have Doc from punch-out as an assist trophy, who only works against Wario, by stealing his bike.

... hahaha

[Sir_NutS]

There you go naysayers, the chilly duo is back.

I for one couldn't care less :razz: but I know some people liked them.

[anclunn]

crap. This basically means we can be positive that online will NOT be a feature.

[Jam Stunna]

crap. This basically means we can be positive that online will NOT be a feature.

How do you figure?

Since we're on the topic of the ICs, I'll ask a question. The members of SBR on Smashboards recently voted to un-ban wobbling in tournaments. What do you guys think of that? I think that it's fine to unban the technique, but I personally refuse to wobble. It's extremely anti-competitive, and it's also just a risky move in general. If you're lucky enough/skilled enough to get a grab in with the ICs (since everyone avoids it anyway), a chaingrab is probably better anyway.

[!Nekko!]

I still plan on firebombing Nintendo if they don't bring back Captain.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

I still plan on Falcon Punching Nintendo if they don't bring back Captain.

Fixed. ten characters

[The Mutericator]

I still plan on firebombing Nintendo if they don't bring back Captain.

Where's Captain Falcon..

:(

He'll be there. They already introduced Samurai Goroh, remember?

Now let's just hope they fixed that little disjointed grab-hit trick you could do with them in Melee...

Captain Falcon is for all intents and purposes confirmed.

[Bigfoot]

I still plan on kneeing Nintendo if they don't bring back Captain.

fixed

ten characters

[Ralphis]

Why is it assumed that the Ice Climbers level will scroll? As you can see, they've made all new levels for all characters so I don't personally see them remaking Icicle Mountain, at least not in a scrolling form.

I expect a new map based around the levels they had in their NES game, with a dinosaur flying around the top and sliding all over floors.

[Dexie]

How do you figure?

Since we're on the topic of the ICs, I'll ask a question. The members of SBR on Smashboards recently voted to un-ban wobbling in tournaments. What do you guys think of that? I think that it's fine to unban the technique, but I personally refuse to wobble. It's extremely anti-competitive, and it's also just a risky move in general. If you're lucky enough/skilled enough to get a grab in with the ICs (since everyone avoids it anyway), a chaingrab is probably better anyway.

Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell is a wobble?

[Sir_NutS]

Why is it assumed that the Ice Climbers level will scroll? As you can see, they've made all new levels for all characters so I don't personally see them remaking Icicle Mountain, at least not in a scrolling form.

I expect a new map based around the levels they had in their NES game, with a dinosaur flying around the top and sliding all over floors.

uuuh... I don't know which ice climbers you've played but the original is a vertical scrolling game. Of course, it didn't auto-scroll like in melee, but I'm expecting it to be much like melee's but with an end, like the new DK level. After all, the levels in IC han an ending and weren't infinite like in their melee iteration. Besides all levels in IC were the same so I don't think there's much option for other stuff...

[Global-Trance]

Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell is a wobble?

Wobble, in the land of tournament play, is the IC infinite where Popo grabs you and hits alternate with Popo's head and Nana doing down tilt A at perfect intervals so that you can't escape unless they mess up or they decide to let you go which is most likely when they'll smash you after giving you enough damage to knock you out.

[Eulogic]

For those of you who are not aware, we often talk about Smash Bros. in the Clan OCR channel on IRC. It's been kinda idle lately, so I invite anyone and everyone who wants to come to join #clanocr on irc.enterthegame.com.

[Broken]

How do you figure?

Since we're on the topic of the ICs, I'll ask a question. The members of SBR on Smashboards recently voted to un-ban wobbling in tournaments. What do you guys think of that? I think that it's fine to unban the technique, but I personally refuse to wobble. It's extremely anti-competitive, and it's also just a risky move in general. If you're lucky enough/skilled enough to get a grab in with the ICs (since everyone avoids it anyway), a chaingrab is probably better anyway.

Could you provide a link to that thread, man? I'm assuming it's not front page on Smashboards right now because I didn't see it last time I checked.

I'm glad that the technique has been unbanned. I'll admit that I haven't had an expert perform it on me at a tourney yet (so, I'm not going to pretend like I know all about it,) but I believe that the community will now have a chance to really adapt to it. I mean, if more people have to figure out a way to deal with this, then hopefully they'll figure out a way to foil it.

And then I can copy them, yeah!

[Jam Stunna]

Could you provide a link to that thread, man? I'm assuming it's not front page on Smashboards right now because I didn't see it last time I checked.

I'm glad that the technique has been unbanned. I'll admit that I haven't had an expert perform it on me at a tourney yet (so, I'm not going to pretend like I know all about it,) but I believe that the community will now have a chance to really adapt to it. I mean, if more people have to figure out a way to deal with this, then hopefully they'll figure out a way to foil it.

And then I can copy them, yeah!

Here you are, sir:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=116160

Like I say in the thread, I feel that anything that can be accomplished by wobbling can be accomplished by chain-throwing. Chain-throwing racks up damage way faster, so you don't have to worry about perfect timing. If you can wobble, go for it, but I prefer chain-throwing. When both are done right, it's pretty much the same outcome: cheap KO's :)

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Have you guys though of how will Kirby look like when he swallows up:
Warrio, PK trainer's pokemons and ZS Samus?
Will he get teeth for Warrio?
And what about the pokemons?
Im loling about it :-)

[Strike911]

I always imagined Kirby with Wario powers as having a wario hat and wario's nose & moustache. Haha, and he'd fart for a special move. That'd be awesome. Haha

[Adam_Slight]

I like how you didn't mention how sexy Kirby will look when he eats ZS Samus. What a babe.

[TheCatPhysician]

wobbling, eh? i dont think it should be banned. it may seem anti-competitive when people first start doing it, but in fact in the long run it contributes to the metagame. if wobbling becomes one of the normal things people have to deal with, then they will be forced to adapt, i.e. become more aware of situations that result in getting grabbed, and being able to see when the IC player is spotting for a grab.

people probably dont like the idea of people who aren't very good just learning how to wobble as a cheap way to become good, so i'll talk about that.

someone who just knows how to wobble and blatantly goes for grabs all the time will lose horribly to anyone just knows how to watch their opponent. a lot of intermediate/learning players might have trouble against someone who isn't good at all but just knows how to wobble, and they will call it cheap because they worked harder than their opponent, and they lose/go even. sounds reasonable, right? well, i'd say if you're in this situation then you're in LUCK. this grabs you by the balls and FORCES you to actually watch what your opponent is doing and think logically about how they're approaching, and how you can disrupt that, and that is one of the big things that most people just getting into competitive smash have a whole lot of trouble learning, because of lack of good competition (someone who can punish them for playing mindlessly and keep them on the right track).

no matter what skill you are, if you're getting beat by someone just because they wobble, then that just shows that you have room for improvement in avoiding grabs/playing smart in general, and playing against that person is a perfect opportunity to get better.


also whoa, jam stunna has an awesome sig for smashboards too?

[Jam Stunna]

I agree with everything you said. Wobbling won't make someone who's horrible that much better, so there's nothing to worry about for most people. If you don't want to get wobbled, don't get grabbed. There are already characters where you want to avoid being grabbed at all costs (Sheik, Marth and Fox come to mind immediately), and anyone who knows ICs avoids being grabbed anyway. So not that much has changed really. I just personally find chain-grabbing easier than wobbling.

Haha, thanks for the sig love. Doulifee makes awesome sigs.

[Dunther]

I am curious about
Kirby Squirtle
Kirby Ivysaur
Kirby Charizard
O.o

[Amayirot Akago]

I am curious about
Kirby Squirtle
Kirby Ivysaur
Kirby Charizard
O.oProlly just hats like Pikachu.

[Red Shadow]

tail, leaves, wings and tail

[tapdancingmetroid]

Have you guys though of how will Kirby look like when he swallows up:
Warrio, PK trainer's pokemons and ZS Samus?
Will he get teeth for Warrio?
And what about the pokemons?
Im loling about it :-)
Don't forget Snake! :O
that will probably look weird... :shock:

[Red Shadow]

hahah, wow. I just noticed the ice climbers are left handed.

neat

[Dunther]

Don't forget Snake! :O
that will probably look weird... :shock:

Kirby with bandana and beard...lol!

[Strike911]

Kirby with bandana and beard...lol!

I hope he gets a cigarette too! Hahaha.

[Makai]

I hope he gets a cigarette too! Hahaha.

...edited to look like a lollipop for American release of course. -_-

[Ferret]

Nope, it would still be a cigarette.

As for...well he'd get a trainer's cap (or NO POWER AT ALL HAH!) in the trainer's case, a bandanna and a color change for Snake, a yellow cap for Wario...hmmm...

[Steben]

Actually, I'd think it'd be pretty funny if Snake had a cigarette, but Kirby got a lollypop when he copied his abilities.

[Triad Orion]

Actually, I'd think it'd be pretty funny if Snake had a cigarette, but Kirby got a lollypop when he copied his abilities.

I approve of this idea, for the record.

[Global-Trance]

What? No Kirby mullet?

[linkspast]

What happened to the Kirby thread?

[Triad Orion]

Kirby probably ate it... gluttonous little jerk.

Though Ike-Kirby would be funny to see, weilding a tiny little Ragnell. Wonder if Kirby will have Ike's headband too.

[KWarp]

Sweet! Kirby discussion! :grin:

Snake Kirby needs some facial hair.

[Arrow]

I'm not exactly delighted to see 'em again - little buggers were a bit annoying - but it's nice to know which Melee-ers to start training against, all the same.

You might as well go ahead and start training against Mr. Game & Watch too, because thanks to the method Sakurai's been using to number franchise icons on the website, he's now about 99% confirmed.

EDIT: On a completely unrelated topic, I hope they bring back the concept of Past Stages again. It's be nice to brawl on the Melee Corneria - assuming they don't update it somehow for Brawl or something. The only ship we have of Star Fox so far is the Pleiades.

God, yes. Though I'd prefer the original's Sector Z to any of the Melee Star Fox stages.

For that matter, they should include EVERY stage from the first two games in the third. That'd be an awesome bonus message: "You just unlocked every stage EVER!"

[Antipode]

You might as well go ahead and start training against Mr. Game & Watch too, because thanks to the method Sakurai's been using to number franchise icons on the website, he's now about 99% confirmed.

Sorry, I don't really follow you on this. What number method are you talking about?

[Arrow]

Sorry, I don't really follow you on this. What number method are you talking about?

This came from Smashboards originally, for the record; I didn't come up with this on my own.

Go to Dojo and look at the filenames for any of the series icons used in the top left corner of each post; you'll notice they're numbered.

01 - Smash Bros.
02 - Donkey Kong
03 - Star Fox
04 - Kirby
05 - F-Zero
06 - Metroid
07 - Earthbound
08 - Pokémon
09 - Zelda
10 - Mario
11 - Yoshi
12 - Fire Emblem
13 - ???
14 - Ice Climber
15 - Animal Crossing
16 - Wario
17 - ???
18 - Kid Icarus

Now obviously, by looking at that list, you can tell that 2-11 are franchises that first made an appearance in the original game, while 12-14 are Melee originals, and 15 on are various series new in Brawl.

We can all be safe in guessing 17 is Metal Gear. But 13 has to be a franchise that first was used in Melee... and the only new characters from franchises not originally in the first game were Ice Climbers, Marth, Roy, and Mr. G&W. Since Fire Emblem and Ice Climber are already accounted for in the icon list, clearly Game and Watch has to be the missing franchise.

[Brushfire]

This came from Smashboards originally, for the record; I didn't come up with this on my own.

Go to Dojo and look at the filenames for any of the series icons used in the top left corner of each post; you'll notice they're numbered.

01 - Smash Bros.
02 - Donkey Kong
03 - Star Fox
04 - Kirby
05 - F-Zero
06 - Metroid
07 - Earthbound
08 - Pokémon
09 - Zelda
10 - Mario
11 - Yoshi
12 - Fire Emblem
13 - ???
14 - Ice Climber
15 - Animal Crossing
16 - Wario
17 - ???
18 - Kid Icarus

Now obviously, by looking at that list, you can tell that 2-11 are franchises that first made an appearance in the original game, while 12-14 are Melee originals, and 15 on are various series new in Brawl.

We can all be safe in guessing 17 is Metal Gear. But 13 has to be a franchise that first was used in Melee... and the only new characters from franchises not originally in the first game were Ice Climbers, Marth, Roy, and Mr. G&W. Since Fire Emblem and Ice Climber are already accounted for in the icon list, clearly Game and Watch has to be the missing franchise.

Your logic is intriguing indeed.

[friendlyHunter]

And probably correct. Game & Watch Final Smash! ^_^

[Linkjing Donuts]

This came from Smashboards originally, for the record; I didn't come up with this on my own.

Go to Dojo and look at the filenames for any of the series icons used in the top left corner of each post; you'll notice they're numbered.

01 - Smash Bros.
02 - Donkey Kong
03 - Star Fox
04 - Kirby
05 - F-Zero
06 - Metroid
07 - Earthbound
08 - Pokémon
09 - Zelda
10 - Mario
11 - Yoshi
12 - Fire Emblem
13 - ???
14 - Ice Climber
15 - Animal Crossing
16 - Wario
17 - ???
18 - Kid Icarus

Now obviously, by looking at that list, you can tell that 2-11 are franchises that first made an appearance in the original game, while 12-14 are Melee originals, and 15 on are various series new in Brawl.

We can all be safe in guessing 17 is Metal Gear. But 13 has to be a franchise that first was used in Melee... and the only new characters from franchises not originally in the first game were Ice Climbers, Marth, Roy, and Mr. G&W. Since Fire Emblem and Ice Climber are already accounted for in the icon list, clearly Game and Watch has to be the missing franchise.
this kinda makes me sad to think that there won't be anymore new characters, much less 3rd party ones

[friendlyHunter]

What? Who says Sonic isn't number 19? ;)

[Antipode]

For some reason I have the phrase "roster 40+ deep" in my head. I can't remember where that came from nor how reliable it is.

[Arrow]

this kinda makes me sad to think that there won't be anymore new characters, much less 3rd party ones

All my post meant is that only 18 franchises are accounted for so far in current icon numbering. That hardly means Sakurai can't add a 19th or further if he wants to.

[Global-Trance]

Just wondering if any of you guys here are around the Bay Area in CA that want to Smash. Not too many people to Smash with lately... I don't like going to tournaments (though a lot of you think otherwise) so I'd rather be playing friendlies with people I (sorta) know.

[Bigfoot]

Just wondering if any of you guys here are around the Bay Area in CA that want to Smash. Not too many people to Smash with lately... I don't like going to tournaments (though a lot of you think otherwise) so I'd rather be playing friendlies with people I (sorta) know.

This is why Brawl better have online play. :P I wish I had more people to play with, especially people a lot better than me so I can advance.

[Global-Trance]

This is why Brawl better have online play. :P I wish I had more people to play with, especially people a lot better than me so I can advance.
Online play for friendlies, yes. However, I'm a douche and care about lag.

[Dunther]

I was thinking a thing:

Because the Melee Ganondorf is only a clone of Falcon, probably they will chance his moves set...
But the old Ganondorf was good so....why they don't put in someone like Black Shadow to replace the Melee Ganondorf?

[Bigfoot]

I was thinking a thing:

Because the Melee Ganondorf is only a clone of Falcon, probably they will chance his moves set...
But the old Ganondorf was good so....why they don't put in someone like Black Shadow to replace the Melee Ganondorf?

Way back in the thread, I think it was mentioned that Ganondorf is supposed to have his own moves.

[Jam Stunna]

Online play for friendlies, yes. However, I'm a douche and care about lag.

lol tourney fag

[Global-Trance]

lol tourney fag

lol10chars

[I-n-j-i-n]

It's not like they're going to pull multi-controller versus modes if they're putting an online mode in there. Why do people compare them as if it's one way or the other? It's the same story with Virtua Fighter 5 for 360. There are still the normal versus modes...

[Mastertoku]

God, yes. Though I'd prefer the original's Sector Z to any of the Melee Star Fox stages.

For that matter, they should include EVERY stage from the first two games in the third. That'd be an awesome bonus message: "You just unlocked every stage EVER!"
As long as we're putting forth possible Fox stages... I think it would be awesome to have a battleship from Sector Y, or maybe a couple of the sewage towers from Zoness. And the sewage could be something like Brinstar's lava, only it doesn't harm you - just bounces you according to your damage percentage. You know, sort of like it did in Star Fox 64.

Or - and I know this would be pretty damn difficult to do successfully - all four of the Star Fox Arwings or Star Wolf's Wolfens, flying en route to another mission, arranged like so --

a>>>>>

a>>>>> a>>>>>

a>>>>>

Could allow for, as Sakurai seems fond of saying, "new and interesting strategies".

EDIT: Sod. Posting won't let me use spaces... well, imagine it in roughly the formation of a diamond, or a square tipped onto one of its corners.

[Airwalker]

You know what type of a level we need to see pop up?

http://www.x-arcade.com/service/Newsletter/2005/Mario%203%20subgame.jpg

I know, maybe a little Game-and-Watchy with the lack of falling space. But it would be sweet, no?

[TheCatPhysician]

welcome to tech city

[Dead Hex]

You know what type of a level we need to see pop up?

http://www.x-arcade.com/service/Newsletter/2005/Mario%203%20subgame.jpg

I know, maybe a little Game-and-Watchy with the lack of falling space. But it would be sweet, no?

Ah, the original Super Smash Bros.

[Mastertoku]

"I felt a disturbance - as though thousands of tournament players suddenly cried out in fear and were silenced..."

[Linkjing Donuts]

squeaksqueaksqueaksqueak

[Neo Samus]

squeaksqueaksqueaksqueak

I was gonna quote that!!! I LOL'd my ass off when I read that!!!

[Amayirot Akago]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item10/item10_070917a.jpg
Gorudion Hanmaaaaaaaa!!
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item10/item10_070917c-l.jpg
Hikari Ni Nare!

This post brought to you by Dutch Fans Of GaoGaiGar With Nothing Better To Do(TM).

[Mastertoku]

It may even be a little hardcore.
Whoa, there! Are you sure you want to be making that kind of claim, Sakurai?

(What a weird sentence.)

[Kureejii Lea]

Even the pictures are cute. Poor Bowser.

Pikohan!

[Strike911]

Hmm... a super weapon!

The hammer will only be hardcore if it plays some kind of power metal rock opera during its operation. For real.

[Dead Hex]

Stupid hammers... I have a friend that always kicks my ass in Melee, and every time he gets the hammer he yells "HAMMER TIME!" Pisses me off.

[Jaybell]

This hammer is HARDCORE.

[BardicKnowledge]

It seems to me that the old hammer was plenty powerful -- I guess this will be good for long, horizontal levels, but it seems like a waste of an item slot.

[The Author]

It seems to me that the old hammer was plenty powerful -- I guess this will be good for long, horizontal levels, but it seems like a waste of an item slot.
Meh, its not like they are gonna run out if item slots.

Random Programmer: Err... Mr.Sakurai sir, you know that online gaming thing you wanted in, well, because of the hammer we don't have enough memory, so its either the hammer or online gaming, your call.

Sakurai: The hammer is HARDCORE.

Random Programmer: Okay, I'll go tell the online division they've been canned.

[Dunther]

Way back in the thread, I think it was mentioned that Ganondorf is supposed to have his own moves.

I know but would be great to have also something similiar to the old Ganondorf :)

[Lord.Roderick.i]

This update is really awesome!
Thinking that the normal hammer was very strong, this Golden H. will kill u with... what 50%?
Im also looking forward to the the Squeaky GH. Thats gonna be fun, since its so rare and all. Getting it will be a definitely LOL.

[Drack]

Worst update ever. I will go out of my way to turn this item off.

The regular hammer is stupidly overpowered.

If there's a way to only have broken and squeaky hammers on, I'll enable that out of spite.

[cobaltstarfire]

It bares saying again.

"Squeaksqueaksqueaksqueak!"

I hate hammers, but that totally makes it worth it.

[Darkmetamorphasis]

My opinion is that the Hammer itself is useless to me. It can make a match that's going so good to something that completely leaves you assfaced. Meh, I love the item control. Off all the way.

[Mastertoku]

HELL YES!

The prophecy has come to pass! Rejoice, my brethren!

[KakTheInfected]

w00t! No online leaderboards suck but still...it's great to have online confirmed!

[Eulogic]

hell of an update