Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Mastertoku]

Wait just an effing minute.

In the thing where you can choose your icon, it shows right next to the characters a list of Miis.

...could it be?...

[KakTheInfected]

It's just an avatar you can use.

[Eulogic]

Holy shit, you're right! You can select a Mii as your icon, just like in every other Wii game!

Or perhaps you're suggesting that each world's icon will be playable, as they too are RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHARACTERS OMG!

[Zeklan]

Fuck. Yes.
I just got goosebumps.
Prepare to be beaten my friends.

[NOIZROCX]

Mmm. Its like an Octorok to the slaughter....

[Critical Hit]

Holy shit. Dreams DO come true. I wonder what kind of connection I'll be able to get with the rest of the USA up here in AK...... oh well. I'm just excited as shit right now. I think I may just stop watching the updates now that this has been officially announced. Hooollyyyy shiiiiiiit.:-D

[Trapical]

From the VG chartz forums:

The moon stood still in the sky, the earth stopped rotating, and Al Quida layed down there guns all to rejoice.

[Antipode]

Sweet deal. This will make me want to play it much more.
I wish you could at least create a custom avatar to use online like Mario Kart DS, though.
Still, awesome-cool.

[KakTheInfected]

The lag shouldn't be too bad. When I play Strikers vs. people in Europe there is barely any lag at all (unless someone just has a shitty connection). This is godly.

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

In most games I'd have a laundry list of things to be angry about with such a barebones online mode.

But this is Smash Bros, and I don't need anything more than the ability to play with my buds around the world, or be free to smash some random chumps anywhere.

Hell, with Smash, I'm estatic that it's able to do all four characters. Now let's just hope all standard Smash modes are available, and they don't cut any heavily animated levels.

[Linkjing Donuts]

i like the no-rank thing they got going on with stranger battles. less competitive, but at least pussy punks won't have a reason to shut off their wii if they're losing

[Zeklan]

All hail high-speed cable internet!
This has made my shitty week all worth while...

Thank you Sakurai, thank you.

Edit: Oh man, Captain Falcon's taunt just got soo much better.

[Global-Trance]

I'm kinda glad there's the whole anonymous thing going on for the play with strangers. It's bad enough that most of the new Smashers I meet assume they're good just because they play. This way now I don't have a face to punch in since they won't be right next to me spouting off about how good they think they are.

[TheCatPhysician]

Holy shit. Dreams DO come true. I wonder what kind of connection I'll be able to get with the rest of the USA up here in AK...... oh well. I'm just excited as shit right now. I think I may just stop watching the updates now that this has been officially announced. Hooollyyyy shiiiiiiit.:-D
do you live in anchorage

[Eten]

It should be ranked.

A rating server isn't hard to manage. Would work just like an RTS. Do 1v1s, and 2v2s. Finding matches pairs people off. This way you can play people from all over competitively and quickly.

=/

However, I'm glad it is confirmed it can be played over the internet!

[Kureejii Lea]

Meh, its not like they are gonna run out if item slots.

Random Programmer: Err... Mr.Sakurai sir, you know that online gaming thing you wanted in, well, because of the hammer we don't have enough memory, so its either the hammer or online gaming, your call.

Sakurai: The hammer is HARDCORE.

Random Programmer: Okay, I'll go tell the online division they've been canned.

Obviously Sakurai saw this post and felt the need to let the truth be known.

[Hum4n After All]

Perhaps the best update yet.
This or if they show Isaac.
Please.

[Jam Stunna]

We might as well begin organizing the first OCR Brawl tournament now. This is good news.

[Critical Hit]

do you live in anchorage

Fairbanks, actually...too bad. I don't know many smashers from around here.

Also, Jam Stunna, your sig makes me smile. :)

[Bigfoot]

I'm glad about the no ranks. People usually just find a way to exploit it anyway(MPH anyone?), unless they would have made it so friends battle doesn't count as anything.

Hopefully as mentioned, this means no disconnects from people losing.

[The Author]

So, I guess I have to write an outlandish claim again and we will get a nice new feature.


Web Designer: Sir, since you posted a big new today, are you sure that you want to talk about the extra character options?

Sakurai: Well, extra characters are what makes this game like candy.

Web Designer: Yeah but announcing Wifi drained our bandwidth us badly, to announce that we will be able to add characters simply by putting them on game disks... I mean, I know that the option to add more characters to the game is neat, but still.

Sakurai: Olympic Mario is an athlete with no limits.

Web Designer: Okay, who broke the boss again?

[dsx100]

The online mode is very simple and bare and the lack of leaderboards and rankings kind of takes the competition aspect out of the game. However, I'm just glad the game has Wi-Fi play at all. I'm sure I'll be playing friends the majority of the time anyway.

[Dunther]

No ranks :( = no quitter :)

With friends, you can brawl any way you like. And there are other modes besides just free-for-alls.
Yes!!!

And...I LOVE SANDBAG!!!!

[The Author]

Leaderboards would actually suck. The people would simply try to disconnect to avoid losing. People don't play fair online, we've seen that too often.

[JoeFu]

Will, this has officially passed SMG as my most wanted game of this year.

[linkspast]

We might as well begin organizing the first OCR Brawl tournament now. This is good news.


ok Count me in....

[Arrow]

This is a fantastic update.

The only thing that would've made it better, IMO, was not seeing that Brawl uses 4x4x4 Friend Codes. I'm starting to wonder what the hell the point of Wii Numbers are if no game (except Prime 3, I suppose) is ever going to make use of them instead of implementing their own DS-like system.

[megadave]

Maybe because they're network is based off of the system they have with the DS and it is still evolving?

[Sir_NutS]

well the online system is just as I thought it would be, a total letdown. But it's not something that matters to me anyways, as I'm not into console online gaming anyways. I probably won't even touch the online mode.

...not that I would if I could anyways.

[Jam Stunna]

I'm actually surprised at how excited I am about this. Just yesterday I was bemoaning the idea of online play. But now that it's been announced, I can't wait for it.

[MeTc123 RType]

Online is Great news............. although it does seem kinda basic.

On the site it does say that more online announcements will be made so hopefully a leaderboard or something simular is included.

[Airwalker]

Am I the only one that did a double take at the title of this update? It was the first thing I read when I woke up, so I rubbed my eyes a little bit to make sure it didn't say something else.

Well, it certainly doesn't sound like any Xbox Live, but it's better than nothing. It still means I can play against my friends in Phoenix, Omaha and Sioux Falls who have a Wii and are likely to get Smash Brothers. And perhaps some of you guys. Though, once you taste Xbox Live, it's hard to pull those expectations down.

[nookster]

hehe same for me. I read it, then said to myself out out loud "it'll probably mean exchaning stickers or something" (to which my girlfriend mumbled wut?) en then scrolled. Wasn't expecting to get something so far above my expectations :D

[BardicKnowledge]

We might as well begin organizing the first OCR Brawl tournament now. This is good news.

Who else is up for a first-weekend tourney, before any of us really get used to it? Could be a lot of fun...

[The Author]

That sounds like a plan, but I want to kick it up a notch, make it a nunchuck tourny :P

[dsx100]

If there is a tournament, you can count me in. I'll probably lose pretty early on but at least it will be fun to try.

[Zeklan]

Count me in.

[The Author]

It could be a point tournament instead of an elimination.

Stock matches, the winner gets as many point as he has characters left. Then the first 4 end up in an elimination round, best versus worse, middle versus middle, then we have a final for third and fourth and finally one for first and second. Hopefully people can watch in spectator mode. (as in hopefully there is a spectator mode)

Thinking about it, it could be 4 way timed matches... and you get 4, 3, 2 or 1 point depending where you rank.

[Jam Stunna]

We can have all sorts of cool tournaments: pro style, free-for-all, coin, etc. The sky's the limit.

EDIT- Once November rolls around, we should just start a Smash tourney thread.

[Bigfoot]

Wow, and of course on game blogs, people are still whining. "FRIEND CODES ARE SO LAME".

Honestly, it's not that bad.. you enter it in once and you're done.

Do people honestly want voice chats? From my experience, voice chat can be pretty annoying, especially when people just put music up to the mic.

I guess I kind of figured people would complain if it has online play or if it doesn't have online play.

People wonder why Nintendo won't allow messages or names to be display while playing against someone random. I guess people don't know that kids do play video games, and I don't think some child's mother would be too happy walking by and see "FUCKYOU420" or something. Same goes with the messages.

[The Author]

Friend Codes = asshole prevention.

Which is always a plus.


And its not like you cannot play with strangers, they will just remain strangers.

Which is a good thing as well.

[BardicKnowledge]

^^ Agreed -- even though I wouldn't mind seeing the names of the people I'm fighting online.

[The Author]

^^ Agreed -- even though I wouldn't mind seeing the names of the people I'm fighting online.

BardicKnowledge faces:

Cocklick

Gokuvegeta666

FairyFlowerTemptress



Ah yes, a real added value.

[Bigfoot]

BardicKnowledge faces:

Cocklick

Gokuvegeta666

FairyFlowerTemptress



Ah yes, a real added value.

My friend and I loved seeing the names of players who played Halo 2 online.

POTSMOKER420
XXXHARDCOREXXX
420STUNNA420

I may not be exactly precise with the names, but you get the idea lol. We'd be like "oh snap, it's another player from the 420 clan" haha.


People should be going crazy with joy that Brawl even has online in the first place, but oh well.. can't please everyone I guess.

[Eten]

Leaderboards would actually suck. The people would simply try to disconnect to avoid losing. People don't play fair online, we've seen that too often.

That is a very simple problem that has been fixed. A disconnect, be through lag or intentional, the remaining person uploads the game to the stat server as a win.

[Cecilff2]

This is awesome news, now if only Qwest or some other provider would provide DSL access to this part of town, I'd be set.

[megadave]

I'm kinda scared to fight some of you on Smash Brothers, because some of you are obviously insane with that game. But when Kart rolls around, I will take no prisoners.

[anclunn]

All I cared about was playing with friends, so I am now completely satisfied. Ice climbers are back, new play modes are available, nothing looks like it's being lost, just reworked and new stuff added. I can now say with full confidence that this game will rock.

[Global-Trance]

I'm kinda scared to fight some of you on Smash Brothers, because some of you are obviously insane with that game. But when Kart rolls around, I will take no prisoners.

Most of them are only assuming they're insane.

[Antipode]

All I cared about was playing with friends, so I am now completely satisfied. Ice climbers are back, new play modes are available, nothing looks like it's being lost, just reworked and new stuff added. I can now say with full confidence that this game will rock.

WHERE lS CAPTAIN FALCON?!?!

[MasterSenshi]

I'm really glad they included online. It's about time, Nintendo lags behind trends so much, it's amazing whenever they adopt a new technology.

That said, I think they may have more to do with the online functionality, but even if it is bare bones, it seems better than nothing. I didn't expect it to be included at all.

More generally though, this bodes well for new Wii games, because it means the suits have OK'd letting a major franchise poised to fight the major XBox 360 and PS3 releases have online. Hopefully by next year, SSBB will start a trend of Nintendo titles having online.:-P

[atmuh]

after years of using ds online with friend codes i recently got a 360 and god the live service is a zillion times better than anything nintendo could ever put into a game

despite that i am glad smash has online

and yes friend codes are gay its much easier to say add Atmuh to your list than xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx

[Adam_Slight]

I think we're all forgetting that WiFi is free!

[Raziellink]

WHERE lS CAPTAIN FALCON?!?!

My sentiments exactly....

[The Author]

My sentiments exactly....
The captain will be there on friday.

[BardicKnowledge]

He's cool, but he's not Friday cool :p

[Eten]

I wish I knew why it has taken so long for Nintendo to start having any online play support.

Yay for SSBB taking the first step. Hopes to nintendo and developers to jump on this and we see a surge in online-ready games for the Wii.

[Red Shadow]

I don't see where you guys get bare bones service from.

"We’re planning a number of services that make use of Wi-Fi, but we’ll reveal them gradually with the other modes. Enjoy."

That's pretty telling.

[Airwalker]

I don't see where you guys get bare bones service from.

"We’re planning a number of services that make use of Wi-Fi, but we’ll reveal them gradually with the other modes. Enjoy."

That's pretty telling.

There certainly is some room to improve. But I don't think they're changing the friend code, non-friendable, limited communication model they've already described--unless the services they promised are changes to their online model.

However, I can see some fun stuff appearing like tournaments and maybe minigame type stuff.

[Antipode]

The captain will be there on friday.

He'd better be, or sakurai will have to answer to THE KNEE!

[Dead Hex]

I guess this would be a cooler update if we didn't pretty much already know that this game would have some form of Wi-Fi. Kind of sad about the whole "Can't interact with random people" thing, but meh, I see where they're coming from. Now all I need is a DS version of SSB, and I'll be set. Oh well, bring on new characters! (Come on Kung Fu Guy/Sonic/Bomberman)

[Makai]

I noticed that more than 4 characters can be used in a name in this update. This wasn't the case when names were "announced" =P

[Lord.Roderick.i]

This update owns BIG TIME!!!
About the tournaments, you can count me in. Im no pro, but Im sure I'll have fun!
On another note, could you guys point me out to a site where I can ezly learn pro play?
So when Brawl comes around I'll be a tougher opponent XP

[Jam Stunna]

This update owns BIG TIME!!!
About the tournaments, you can count me in. Im no pro, but Im sure I'll have fun!
On another note, could you guys point me out to a site where I can ezly learn pro play?
So when Brawl comes around I'll be a tougher opponent XP

www.smashboards.com

Look around, they have everything you need. But you can only learn how to play pro style through practice, practice, and more practice.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

I specially wanna get better, cuz my best friend thinks hes a pro, but Im sure hes not cuz hes just a lil bit better than I. Say Im a 5/10 hes a 7.

[Bigfoot]

So everyone, what are your 4 messages going to be?

For Samus, I'll use:
1) IMMA
2) CHARGIN
3) MAH
4) LAZER

j/k :P haha

[Broken]

Phew, online is confirmed. This easily cancels out the ice-climbers update and puts this game at +10.

I have nothing to worry about anymore really. Just need to find a Wii (which hopefully won't be too difficult this holiday season.) I'm definitely gonig to allocate one of my taunt slots to "WOOT!" ....Dunno about the others though.

[Bigfoot]

Phew, online is confirmed. This easily cancels out the ice-climbers update and puts this game at +10.

I have nothing to worry about anymore really. Just need to find a Wii (which hopefully won't be too difficult this holiday season.) I'm definitely gonig to allocate one of my taunt slots to "WOOT!" ....Dunno about the others though.

I don't have the time to find the link, but Reggie said something about there shouldn't be any problems finding a Wii this holiday season. There'll be so much that people won't even have to camp out for one. If that's true, that'll be pretty crazy.

[Eten]

Nom nom, some advice on getting better.

You got to play more. And play more people. It helps because it forces you to learn to win, so you see a lot of things.

Secondly, don't overrate the technical stuff. You just need to be able to add those speed-increasing things to your games. Example: l-cancel. That's it. Watch one of the videos that just lists all of those technical stuff, then play real games and simply put them to use. It isn't hard to tap the l-button when you hit the ground.

Lastly, just watch some talented players games on youtube or something. Watching what works for them and what mistakes they make will help you see what works and what doesn't when you play yourself.

Don't worry too much, just pick up a few things, and play more(and stick to one guy, it helps). If you lose motivation, go watch your favorite matches or combo video!

[Jam Stunna]

So everyone, what are your 4 messages going to be?

For Samus, I'll use:
1) IMMA
2) CHARGIN
3) MAH
4) LAZER

j/k :P haha

Ha nice. I play Ice Climbers, so I need something appropriately hammy. My four:

1) It's Hammer Time!
2) Two for the price of one!
3) Double Whammy!

I can't think of a fourth one, but rest assured, it will contain an exclamation point.

[Inimitable]

Ah, I'm definitely excited for this. I for one am glad they kept online play simple. Leaderboards and all that stuff just lead to people playing for reasons other than fun.

Though I really wish Nintendo would just do away with individual friend codes and use an all-encompassing Wii system friend code. It's just as safe (kid-friendly) and you don't have to deal with getting every number for every friend.

[Ralphis]

1) It's Hammer Time!
2) Two for the price of one!
3) Double Whammy!

I can't think of a fourth one, but rest assured, it will contain an exclamation point.

how about
1) STOP
2) HAMMERTIME!

[Eten]

I wouldn't be glad about the lack of leaderboards. Competition in its own light is very fun, and a leaderboard or ranking system greatly adds to the competition.

You can cut out conversing, etc. and just keep it to single names and rankings. I'll still get my fun in playing smash with people over the internet, but SSBB just won't be as competitive without a leaderboard.

[Jam Stunna]

I wouldn't be glad about the lack of leaderboards. Competition in its own light is very fun, and a leaderboard or ranking system greatly adds to the competition.

You can cut out conversing, etc. and just keep it to single names and rankings. I'll still get my fun in playing smash with people over the internet, but SSBB just won't be as competitive without a leaderboard.

People cheat all the time for the sake of leaderboards. I'd take a hit in competitiveness to alleviate some of that cheating.

[Eulogic]

I don't care about leaderboards. I'm pretty much just going to be playing against my friends anyway.

[dsx100]

He'd better be, or sakurai will have to answer to THE KNEE!
Hell yes! I hope he still has it in Brawl because that would seriously suck if he didn't. That KNEE is the only thing that wins me matches these days. With out it I would suck badly.

[atmuh]

I think we're all forgetting that WiFi is free!

you get what you pay for

[Imagery]

are people really not reading here

We’re planning a number of services that make use of Wi-Fi, but we’ll reveal them gradually with the other modes. Enjoy.

sounds like "well prolly have sum moar stuff l8r guys like mayb sum rank'd play n stuff who noes" to me

[shikigami]

http://blogs.ign.com/Matt-IGN/2007/09/18/66623/

first i thought it was some preppy 16 year old. then i realized it was IGN.

figures.

[atmuh]

are people really not reading here



sounds like "well prolly have sum moar stuff l8r guys like mayb sum rank'd play n stuff who noes" to me

i am not implying that nintendo is gonna put out crap
i am just saying that people say BOO LIVE COSTS MONEY but id say being able to send someone a message from my 360 to someone on their computer on windows live messenger while playing bomberman live to play with me is worth paying for
not to mention having private voice chat channels regardless of what game the two or more parties are playing


i dont like in a nintendo online game to have to go on aim or call my friend or something and say hey get on smash now to play
id like to be seeing that they are playing metroid prime 3 then send them a lil message to meet me in smash and wait for a response

[Strike911]

i am not implying that nintendo is gonna put out crapi am just saying that people say BOO LIVE COSTS MONEY but id say being able to send someone a message from my 360 to someone on their computer on windows live messenger while playing bomberman live to play with me not to mention having private voice chat channels regardless of what game the two or more parties are playing

i dont like in a nintendo online game to have to go on aim or call my friend or something and say hey get on smash now to play
id like to be seeing that they are playing metroid prime 3 then send them a lil message to meet me in smash and wait for a response

qft.

That and Nintendo's friend codes are annoying, and are a pain to use, and in addition, they give you the BARE minimum of functionality. What if I meet some kick ass guy online and want to add him as a friend. You can't, because you're totally anonymous. Friendly anonymous games are nice option, but give us names. Why can't I have an avatar/username, like ALL other online game services? Does that make too much sense? Is Nintendo so innovative that they're bringing back pseudo-telephone numbers for us to memorize and give people. Or are we going to get the same old crap about protecting little kids from online predators?

I mean, geez, come on, I have a PS3 and the PlayStation Network is totally free, and while it's not nearly as user friendly as XboxLive, it's at least some kind of online component that lets me send my friends messages and invites to games.

And that's the other thing... my PS3 has got content updates for new features and things every couple months. I've seen nothing from Nintendo with the exception of a couple of useless channels (Opera browser excluded)...

I love Nintendo, but it looks like they're dropping the ball AGAIN when it comes to satisfying their hardcore userbase. With the exception of Brawl, Mario Galaxy, and Twilight Princess I feel like Nintendo has abandoned me, someone who's been buying their systems forever. All we have is mini-game compilations, and a bad online component that Reggie said he would fix in this new generation 2 or 3 years ago.

blah blah blah.

I love Nintendo, and really want Smash, but come on Nintendo... hell... not all of us are old people, simply satiated by playing WiiSports all the damn time in a nursing home. Hell.

/ranting
/whining
/off topic
/complaining
/speaking truth

Edit: Prepares for flames. sorry for off-topic btw.

[Bigfoot]

Friends and I played some Smash tonight. I took a few videos of some 4 player free for all, but they're pretty bad lol. I'm just going to wait to get some 1v1. I was trying Captain Falcon, and I couldn't land anything with him often.

I still suck at DI and against Shiek.

[atmuh]

I love Nintendo, but it looks like they're dropping the ball AGAIN when it comes to satisfying their hardcore userbase. With the exception of Brawl, Mario Galaxy, and Twilight Princess I feel like Nintendo has abandoned me, someone who's been buying their systems forever. All we have is mini-game compilations, and a bad online component that Reggie said he would fix in this new generation 2 or 3 years ago.

exactly how i feel and why i broke down and bought a 360

[Jam Stunna]

I still suck at DI and against Shiek.

Ha, like I read on Smashboards, "The best defense against Sheik is not to play against Sheik". You could try grabbing her, I think she pops up into range for C. Falcon chainthrowing.

[Azul v2]

My favorite part is this:

"We’re planning a number of services that make use of Wi-Fi, but we’ll reveal them gradually with the other modes. Enjoy."

and

"There will also be no battle records kept for this mode, so whether you win or lose, it doesn’t matter. Just sit back and play."

Which people somehow skew into OMFG NO LEADRBOREDS!!! When in actuality they don't mention that at all and even hint there will be a mode that stores records to be introduced later on.

Ah, the ignorance of some people.

E: BTW this was directed towards the IGN people.

[Necrotic]

exactly how i feel and why i broke down and bought a 360

you guys aren't alone

me and my bro are probably getting a 360 or PS3 soon... the wii is cool but I feel left in the dirt with it right now

in the past month the only thing that kept me on my Wii was Metroid Prime, but I'm close to finishing that... it's the first game which made me felt like I wasn't just thrown off to the side

Mario Strikers is a fun multiplayer game but will only keep me coming back for as long as I have friends at my house or online willing to play... seriously underrated guys you should give it a rental maybe buy it, even if you're bitter about friend codes

My PS2 has Guitar Hero, and possibly soon DDR, plus like 50 billion kajillion RPG's for both the PS1 and PS2. I've found that since I can find PS1 games for so cheap lately all I seem to do is play those. It's ridiculous. I just went to EB this weekend and spent like a couple of 10`s on some RPG's and that was that... I feel like this console generation was unnecessary to some degree

on the bright side there's SSBB, Mario Galaxy, and some more hardcore games like GGXXAC coming so I'm still happy with my purchase, but Nintendo's gonna have to try harder because I'm a pretty easy person to please but even I'm kind of feeling like something big is missing

[I-n-j-i-n]

Looking at the wi-fi Brawl screens, there's on-screen loading via lag...

I know it'll still be awesome with sorta-kinda-decent online play, but I wouldn't hold my breath for Wii online games so far. But online fighting games were on and off with that aspect even with a few games for Xbox Live Arcade.

[Eten]

I will be incredibly overjoyed to find leaderboards as an option for online smash. I think the game deserves that sort of thing.

[Linkjing Donuts]

Friends and I played some Smash tonight. I took a few videos of some 4 player free for all, but they're pretty bad lol. I'm just going to wait to get some 1v1. I was trying Captain Falcon, and I couldn't land anything with him often.

I still suck at DI and against Shiek.
what jam said, throws are her weak points. since her reach isn't too great and her throws are weak, using throws against sheik will keep her down

(speaking from experience. i'm a sheiker and pikachuer


and jigglypuffer)

[!Nekko!]

exactly how i feel and why i broke down and bought a 360

I'm getting there, too. My friend just bought a 360 and I'd pick one if I liked more games/liked enough games to make it worth while. I love Live and the fact you have access to a ton of demos and videos. Nintendo seems so set on trying to be unique that imitation is completely out of the question, even though it would definitely help them out.

Another though. Are taunt animations out since the + pad controls all the verbal taunts? Looks like you can customize, so I'm hoping animated taunts are still in (maybe even more than one per character).

[Mastertoku]

Greap + Shaydas = awesome.

[Strike911]

well, I have hopes for SSBB. While it may not have really robust online functionality, here's hoping for some downloadable content once the game comes out. That seems like something Nintendo would opt to do *cough* services *cough*.

... and beating up the sandbag during loading is genius, gotta be honest.


update!

ooooh!! enemies! I love how varied they are! It's really cool to see such a wide variety of enemies that have weak points, which is something really new and refreshing. I dig it, mucho.

Man, and that Shaydas is badass.

edit: @ Nekko, I thought they were doing there taunt animations in that pic with the little speech bubbles added?

[DuskyFerret]

New enemies look nice!
Don't you reckon they look a bit like enemies from past games though:idea: I dunno if it's intentional by Nintendo or not.
For example, Roader looks very similar to the wheelies from the kirby series.
And the pic with Trowlon and Yoshi in it just makes me think Gusty from Yoshi's Island. Any other similarities you reckon?

[Paratha]

Are taunt animations out since the + pad controls all the verbal taunts? Looks like you can customize, so I'm hoping animated taunts are still in (maybe even more than one per character).

Both Mario and DK were taunting while the text boxes were open. The animation is still in.

[Jam Stunna]

what jam said, throws are her weak points. since her reach isn't too great and her throws are weak, using throws against sheik will keep her down

(speaking from experience. i'm a sheiker and pikachuer


and jigglypuffer)

Just watch out that she doesn't grab you. If you don't DI well, any Sheik will chain-grab you into a fair, which will almost certainly kill you.

[Global-Trance]

I would not say Sheik's grabs are weak AT ALL. I'm guessing you're also not jump-cancel grabbing?

[Bigfoot]

I never heard of that before, but I just watched a video on it. Interesting.

Also, I'm glad my friend isn't this good at being cheap with Sheik, lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKro_ijn0xo

[Eulogic]

Let's play the assumption game for a second.

Assuming these enemies are based on/inspired by actual Nintendo enemies, with a list somewhat like this:
Roader - Wheelie (Kirby), [[Mag Roader (FF6) OMG KEFKA CONFIRMED!!!1]]
Bytan - Electrode (Pokemon)
Trowlon - that thing in Wet-Dry World throws you around?(Super Mario 64)
Shaydas - shadowy-type enemies from Zelda (such as Puppet Ganon from Wind Waker), other Zelda enemies with this same type of "weak spot", Scyther (Pokemon)
Auroros - Skree/Metaree (Metroid), Fearow (Pokemon)
R.O.B. Squad - hurrr i dunno

What, then, are Greap (which looks like a Battlebot) and, my personal favorite, Poppants, based on?

EDIT:
omg poppants based on eddie (flip top) from megaman megaman confirmed!!!@
omg greap = tonberry + mario kart more final fantasy confimattion!!!!

[Airwalker]

Let's play the assumption game for a second.

Assuming these enemies are based on/inspired by actual Nintendo enemies, with a list somewhat like this:
Roader - Wheelie (Kirby), [[Mag Roader (FF6) OMG KEFKA CONFIRMED!!!1]]
Bytan - Electrode (Pokemon)
Trowlon - that thing in Wet-Dry World throws you around?(Super Mario 64)
Shaydas - shadowy-type enemies from Zelda (such as Puppet Ganon from Wind Waker), other Zelda enemies with this same type of "weak spot", Scyther (Pokemon)
Auroros - Skree/Metaree (Metroid), Fearow (Pokemon)
R.O.B. Squad - hurrr i dunno

What, then, are Greap (which looks like a Battlebot) and, my personal favorite, Poppants, based on?

EDIT:
omg poppants based on eddie (flip top) from megaman megaman confirmed!!!@
omg greap = tonberry + mario kart more final fantasy confimattion!!!!

I can only assume that these are all original monsters for smash brothers, save for my favorite, the R.O.B. Squad. Yeah, I would have appreciated monsters from different games, but it probably wouldn't have fit the story too well. Fortunately, we do have bosses from the different games

[The Author]

Actually, the only boss is petey piranah, they just make him throw more fireballs and at some point he'll throw hammers.

[Airwalker]

In Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Subspace Emissary, it’s rumored that there will be boss appearances.
This time, I’d like to introduce the first boss you encounter: Petey Piranha!


It sounds like there will be more appearances unless the other bosses are original guys too.

[The Author]

It was a joke.

A reference to the original Super Mario Brother.

[dafrog]

Hm, the roader actually reminds me of the enemies from Mach Rider for the NES...

[Dunther]

Can you imagine the Mach Rider's rider as a playable character? o.o

[Eulogic]

I can only assume that these are all original monsters for smash brothers, save for my favorite, the R.O.B. Squad. Yeah, I would have appreciated monsters from different games, but it probably wouldn't have fit the story too well. Fortunately, we do have bosses from the different games

I dunno. I'm not saying any of these creatures are taken directly from any games, but that they are meant to evoke the memory of them. I think in a lot of these cases, the physical appearance is too similar (Roader; Bytan) or the mechanics are too similar (Auroros' mode of attack; Link shown fighting Shaydas, a (http://www.detstar.com/zeldawindwaker/screengallery/phantomganon.jpg) shadow (http://www.zelda-world.com/v3/img/zeldaoot/boss/bongo.gif) enemy (http://zs.ffshrine.org/adventure-of-link/img/aol-z2boss.gif) who (http://www.insidepulse.com/columnImages2006/image34249.jpg) has (http://multiftp.free.fr/z64/dbgrom/Ocarina_Of_Time_-_Debug_Version_files/dark_link.jpg) a (http://www.zeldanederland.nl/images/12_fsa/bazen/04bigpoe.png) clearly (http://zs.ffshrine.org/album/four-swords/art/vaati.jpg) demarcated (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Armogohma.jpg) weak (http://www.ganonstower.com/z3arrghus.gif) spot (http://www.ganonstower.com/z3vitreous.gif)) for me to wholly discount the possibility that these enemies are intended to be compared to enemies from other Nintendo game, especially in a game like Smash Bros., which is comprised of virtually nothing but references to other Nintendo games.

[Linkjing Donuts]

I can only assume that these are all original monsters for smash brothers, save for my favorite, the R.O.B. Squad. Yeah, I would have appreciated monsters from different games, but it probably wouldn't have fit the story too well. Fortunately, we do have bosses from the different games
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803e-l.jpg

[Global-Trance]

Piplup! :)

[Strike911]

So essentially it does what Merrill did except actually effective.

I can dig it.

[KWarp]

Think the Brawl developers will run out of disc space anytime soon? Can Wii DVDs do dual-layer?

[DuskyFerret]

So essentially it does what Merrill did except actually effective.

I can dig it.

Yea, I wonder if it can fly as far as marrill can? But you wouldn't turn on ur own Piplup now would you...:razz:

[Bigfoot]

Diddy is like "Noooo!! Ice Climbers!!"

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9504/mball05070920dltt3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[The Mutericator]

Diddy is like "Noooo!! Ice Climbers!!"

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9504/mball05070920dltt3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Or has just finished help push them off.

[eternal Zero]

I love how nobody cares about Peach being washed away.

[megadave]

She deserves it. She never gives Mario jack for saving her. She even completely ignores him in Super Paper Mario. That frigid bitch.

[The Mutericator]

I love how nobody cares about Peach being washed away.

To be honest, I really couldn't see her at all

[MasterSenshi]

I think today's update was pretty so-so. Although it's interesting that Sakurai makes it seem that just about all items will have some dual use, extra purposes, or just decimate the players.

It would be nice to get a character update tomorrow. Something like... NESS!

I loved ness in the original SSB. I hated how they totally screwed him over in the second game. It would have been MAGNIFICENT if he had just a little more power, then all those Young LInk users and Roy/Marth players would've been put in their places.

I'm mainly think about my brother... I really don't smash with others, but still, we need Ness back, and back with some power. :razz:

[Calpis]

I think exactly the opposite about Ness. Even though he's my main character, I still think he was really overpowered in the original (can we say yoyo=cheap as hell) but had a good balance in Melee. I think it couldn't hurt if they gave him a little more power, but it's not really necessary. I really hope that they replace the PK flash with something more useful.

Any thoughts on what his final smash will be? Here's to hoping it's PK Rockin'.

[BardicKnowledge]

Ness was a little over-nerfed in Brawl, IMO. But it doesn't matter because we're probably going to get Flint instead anyway.

If for some reason we still get Ness, PK Rockin' is definitely the way to go for his Final Smash.

[MasterSenshi]

Why is everyone for series that already have a lot of representation? Frankly I'd love to see some old school RPG characters represented... like Crono or Terra from the old SquareSoft games. Not that it's likely to happen, but those would interest me more than Waluigi.

Even if they're going to more new series, as long as they keep the characters original, that would be great. But now, we have at least Ike, Link, and Metaknight with swords, with who knows how many more to come.

Some more characters with less general appeal would be great; I feel in love with the first Smash Bros. because all the characters except Mario and Luigi were so different. They should move back to that, with more series and more off-the-wall characters.

That said, if they include more FE characters that would be cool... but maybe some magic users or something, even a wyvern knight or something. It would be nice to play as kirby and fight a guy riding a dragon or a pegasus. :-)

[Bigfoot]

I love how nobody cares about Peach being washed away.

Why should they? She's just going to float back no problem :P

[shikigami]

Ness in both the original and melee seemed like the kind of character that, if you mastered, would own everyone.

[Bigfoot]

Ness in both the original and melee seemed like the kind of character that, if you mastered, would own everyone.

I think I'm going to play Ness again tonight. I beat my friend's Sheik this one time :P

I was really good with timing his dair.

[Global-Trance]

Ness is mostly a mind game character. I play him in an odd way... that is... I turned him into a technical character and it makes a lot of people I play sick to the stomach because it's just not right. It's somewhat hard to explain but if DJTempora ever comes around he would at least vouch for that.

In any case, Ness has a lot more potential than most people think but his recovery sucks so bad to the point that you'll never see him on the top of a tier list. He's just way too slow to come back and if somehow you can't seem to keep a Ness off the stage, then you're practically just letting him come back.

[Cecilff2]

I use Ness to screw up my friends Shiek or fox sometimes. I delay the double jump and do odd things with it so he goes blazing past it(for some reason he prefers to intercept instead of edge guard most of the time) and I time a back kick(or spike) there. Then use the lightning to recover.

[Steben]

I really hope they keep PK Flash. I definitely play as Ness just so I can embarrass people by hitting them with it. (Actually, I've found it pretty useful for preventing your foes from barely grabbing onto the edge, by setting a PK Flash to go off at that edge at just the right moment.)

PK Rockin' would make a great Final Smash. I wish there'd be a way to name it. Of course, there'd be no way to have Ness say the name of his attack if that were the case.

Which of the other Mother 2 characters would you like to see? I think Jeff would be pretty ballin'. Pulling out his various machines and bottle rockets.

It'd be weird if they stuck a Mother 3 character in there. Unless, y'know, Nintendo wanted to translate the game real fast and release it before December. What's the status on the fan translation?

[Global-Trance]

I use Ness to screw up my friends Shiek or fox sometimes. I delay the double jump and do odd things with it so he goes blazing past it(for some reason he prefers to intercept instead of edge guard most of the time) and I time a back kick(or spike) there. Then use the lightning to recover.

I would love to see a recovering Ness that is "blazing".

[Inimitable]

I believe he meant his friend goes blazing past off the edge in an attempt to intercept when he said "he goes blazing past."

[Global-Trance]

I think you're right. Oops lol.

[Cecilff2]

Indeed, Ness is never in any way blazing fast(unless being hit at high damage).

[Silent Mike]

Photos from TGS about Snake:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4351/mg0012ww5.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1570/mg0011yw7.jpg

[Cecilff2]

Hey look its mr. saturn. Everyone likes him.

[Raziellink]

Hey look its mr. saturn. Everyone likes him.

I hope that was sarcasm.


HATE the little bastard.

[BardicKnowledge]

How can you hate him? They're completely awesome. If only I had that font available...

[Eulogic]

http://www.vulomedia.com/images/6282mg0013.jpg
http://www.vulomedia.com/images/69023mg0014.jpg

Some more pics from TGS.

Anyone know if a video exists?

[Bigfoot]

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2509/snakemansasshf5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/37/megamanur8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[!Nekko!]

Is there a live feed/live press release info about this?

[Global-Trance]

I must see more Snake action. Also lol Bigfoot.

I can't wait to play Metal Gear Smash.

[Strike911]

So does TGS = late/no update from Smash Website? I mean, everything is kind of on the down low at TGS so far when it comes to Smash, except for those few precious, golden, beautiful, diamond screen caps of Snake; at least give us a really nice website update...

A wag of the finger at Sakurai! Hehe. ^_~

*heads off to bed*

EDIT: And is snake holding an item, hanging from something, or is he just jumping in that first pic on the other page? Good too see Mr. Saturn once again :)

[KakTheInfected]

Wow, mega Snake update.

[Neo Samus]

Late update means something big. But....I'm to tired to wait. I have to be up in a few hours anyway. :(

[Global-Trance]

Solid Snake!

[Hobocop]

From the perspective of someone who didn't care much for using Snake, I have completely changed my mind. Looks like a very original and fun way to play the game. Guess I should play MGS before Brawl comes out to understand the references...

[Kiyosuki]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/snake/snake_070921c-l.jpg

[JackKieser]

Woo! Go Snake! This update wins every possible update award. What's really surprising is just how much weaponry they loaded Snake up with. I mean, I figured he'd get his rockets, maybe a gun (which is, apparently, a grenade) for his B attacks... but even the Smash attacks use weapons. And that recovery? Priceless.

Also, I have to say that the MGS4 song ties the LoZ music for best music update. It sounds SO damn good! This update really shows how much work they put into Snake and his sections of the game. Now I see why they waited to unveil him.

Oh, and before I forget... wow. That grab Snake has on Ike is crazy cool. I can't wait to put the sleeper hold on someone in-game.

--Jack Kieser

[TheLeviathan]

I think I just came a little.

Also, I wonder if the cypher will shoot if people get too close.

[Dunther]

Wow...what a beautiful song...

[Kureejii Lea]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/snake/snake_070921c-l.jpg

Now, how is this going to work on Kirby?

[Global-Trance]

Now, how is this going to work on Kirby?

Pretend he's just holding a ball REALLY tightly.



Edit:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/snake/snake_070921d-l.jpg

THIS IS PRICELESS.

[Dunther]

If someone wants to download the new song http://dunther.altervista.org/music/MGS4_Brawl.mp3 I ripped it...

[Hobocop]

If someone wants to download the new song http://dunther.altervista.org/music/MGS4_Brawl.mp3 I ripped it...

Oh nice, thanks for posting it! This has been a really good week for updates, I hope things continue next week, as they are going now.

[KakTheInfected]

Imagine the shit the internet would have taken if we hadn't known about Snake in advance.

[Eten]

Add the pace of this majestic song to production values rivaling that of Hollywood composers, and the result is spectacular.

You think... this might mean what you are all hoping, that it won't sound as low quality as it does on the site...?

[Arek the Absolute]

the music sounds low because of the god damn compression
we all found that out when we re listened to the main theme that nobuo made

also

snake
i can dig it

[Dunnowhathuh]

I just love how his recovery move is grabbing onto a Cypher

[Kiyosuki]

Now, how is this going to work on Kirby?

You think thats bad? Imagine Ness.

[The Author]

And what about Bowser?

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Man this update is cool, even though I've never played a single MG game, ever.
I guess the game never appeal to me enough to buy it.
Snake look like its gonna be fun though,

[The Mutericator]

I hope that was sarcasm.


HATE the little bastard.

If you hate Mr Saturn

we all hate YOU.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

If you hate Mr Saturn

we all hate YOU.

QFT

Also:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/snake/snake_070921c-l.jpg
SURPRISE BUTTSEX!

[Dunther]

All Hail Mr. Saturn!!!

[Aninymouse]

And what about Bowser?

Yeah... maybe he only puts the sleeper on the more "normal" proportioned characters, and has a standard front grab for large or awkward characters? Bowser's spikes sure wouldn't make putting him in a sleeper hold too feasible.

[RocketSniper]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/snake/snake_070921c-l.jpg

Snake: Butsecks?

Edit: Argh, I just looked back a couple of pages and saw someone else post the same thing. Bah. Too much internet humor and we all become the same...

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/snake/snake_070921c-l.jpg

Snake: Butsecks?

Edit: Argh, I just looked back a couple of pages and saw someone else post the same thing. Bah. Too much internet humor and we all become the same...

When the internet is suddenly flooded with Metal Gear/Fire Emblem crossover fanfiction (See: Later today), I'll be the first one glaring angrily at Sakurai.

Also, what the hell is up with Ike's sword? The hand behind his back wouldn't be in any location to hold it at that angle, and it isn't like Snake is holding it...

I just know that Sakurai is damn lucky the pic didn't have the sword a couple notches lower.

[BardicKnowledge]

I just know that Sakurai is damn lucky the pic didn't have the sword a couple notches lower.

Let's not encourage anyone...

Oh, and Mr. Saturn is freaking awesome. Anyone actually get a kill with it before? He's fun to throw at someone right after you knock them away as a taunt.

[Sir_NutS]

I'm loving everything about this. Also liking the fact that they included moves from old metal gear games (Grenade throw).

Cypher recovery... awesum.

[Ray Falling]

I'm still hoping there's going to be other 3rd party characters besides Snake though. It'll be a bit weird only having him in.

[BardicKnowledge]

Well, we've got to get Sonic or people will throw a fit. I'd also like to see Megaman make an appearence...and maybe a Square-Enix character (Yuna would be an awesome choice, but she wasn't on a Nintendo platform...so Kain's new look for the FFIV re-remake?)

[Ray Falling]

There's plenty of possibilities...

Hmm, so how many non-Nintendo characters would you guys think is necesary for this game to feel like "that game that is open to any cool mascot"?

Ideally there should be a 50-50 ratio, though in all honesty I don't care all that much for 3rd party characters. (But I am keeping an open mind, and design wise it'll be very interesting.)
Since there are so many characters already, a 50-50 ratio could be too much, so perhaps 75-25?

On one hand I don't want it to just throw in a few 3rd party peeps fot the heck of it, but on the other hand I don't want it to lose the Smash Bros. feel, we all love.

[Steben]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/snake/snake_070921d-l.jpg

SURPRISE, COCKFAGS! (http://samusnaked.ytmnd.com/)

[The Author]

I think that we may not see any other 3rd party characters announced. However, we will see who likes Nintendo with the characters. Kojima's Snake is in only because Kojima wanted it to happen. And well, Nintendo and Konami never had any bad blood between them.

As for a Final Fantasy Character, well, that's an interesting idea but who would you pick?

I mean, Snake was Metal Gear Solid, just like there would be no Metroid without Samus.

Final Fantasy characters are for the most part one shot characters, and it is rare to have the game revolve around them. (At this point, someone is pointing out Ness and the pokemons, I am sure. However, Ness was the most important character in a game that was one of a kind for nintendo (how many RPGs has nintendo released anyway?). The pokemons were handpicked:
1 The anime mascot
2 A fan favorite (Jigglypuff)
3 A secret pokemon (who the hell got Mewtwo on their first run anyway?)
4 A young version of the mascot.

I mean, sure, they could pick Kain. But why not Cecil (the main character who could have a wicked transformation between dark knight and paladin)?
Terra? Yeah but what about Celes or Locke?

The best they could do for FF is simply make a cycle character like the trainer, and put it Warrior, Black Mage, Thief and White Mage. (That would kick ass if you ask me).

[megadave]

I think that we may not see any other 3rd party characters announced. However, we will see who likes Nintendo with the characters. Kojima's Snake is in only because Kojima wanted it to happen. And well, Nintendo and Konami never had any bad blood between them.

As for a Final Fantasy Character, well, that's an interesting idea but who would you pick?

I mean, Snake was Metal Gear Solid, just like there would be no Metroid without Samus.

Final Fantasy characters are for the most part one shot characters, and it is rare to have the game revolve around them. (At this point, someone is pointing out Ness and the pokemons, I am sure. However, Ness was the most important character in a game that was one of a kind for nintendo (how many RPGs has nintendo released anyway?). The pokemons were handpicked:
1 The anime mascot
2 A fan favorite (Jigglypuff)
3 A secret pokemon (who the hell got Mewtwo on their first run anyway?)
4 A young version of the mascot.

I mean, sure, they could pick Kain. But why not Cecil (the main character who could have a wicked transformation between dark knight and paladin)?
Terra? Yeah but what about Celes or Locke?

The best they could do for FF is simply make a cycle character like the trainer, and put it Warrior, Black Mage, Thief and White Mage. (That would kick ass if you ask me).

Cecil or Kain would actually be kinda cool, but that won't ever happen. Edit: You could have Rydia as the alter-personality of Pokemon Trainer.

[Dexie]

I think that we may not see any other 3rd party characters announced. However, we will see who likes Nintendo with the characters. Kojima's Snake is in only because Kojima wanted it to happen. And well, Nintendo and Konami never had any bad blood between them.

As for a Final Fantasy Character, well, that's an interesting idea but who would you pick?

I mean, Snake was Metal Gear Solid, just like there would be no Metroid without Samus.

Final Fantasy characters are for the most part one shot characters, and it is rare to have the game revolve around them. (At this point, someone is pointing out Ness and the pokemons, I am sure. However, Ness was the most important character in a game that was one of a kind for nintendo (how many RPGs has nintendo released anyway?). The pokemons were handpicked:
1 The anime mascot
2 A fan favorite (Jigglypuff)
3 A secret pokemon (who the hell got Mewtwo on their first run anyway?)
4 A young version of the mascot.

I mean, sure, they could pick Kain. But why not Cecil (the main character who could have a wicked transformation between dark knight and paladin)?
Terra? Yeah but what about Celes or Locke?

The best they could do for FF is simply make a cycle character like the trainer, and put it Warrior, Black Mage, Thief and White Mage. (That would kick ass if you ask me).


Chocobo for Brawl. With a Moogle riding on him.

This needs to happen.

[megadave]

Chocobo for Brawl. With a Moogle riding on him.

This needs to happen.

I agree, as long as they bleed a lot when you hit them.

[Strike911]

PRAISE JESUS IN HEAVEN. THIS IS AN AWESOME UPDATE!!!!!!!

ZOMGOM!OM!OMGOMOMGO!MGOM!GOM!GOM!GOMK!GMO!! IT'S SNAKE! MAN! IT'S SNAKE'S MOVES!!! AMAZING! *:LDJAKL:JFKLAFASDf

man, all those special moves are great. Nods to all of the games. And I love the moving music from those MGS4 trailers we've been hearing. Hearing it in a "battle theme" for Smash Bros. is amazing. I love that song, it's so moving and just ... awesome, especially after listening to it a hundred times while watching the MGS4 trailers... <3

I am surprised though that they're using the MGS4 music... I mean, I guess characters will have to be from games that appeared on Nintendo systems, but music and other references apparently don't have to be from the game that the character was featured in (IE MGS1 no Gamecube, Metal Gears on NES). That surprised me a lot.

And since they're making references to outside games, maybe we'll see an Old Snake alternate costume. Hehe. Love this.

Kojima + Sakurai = Inordinant Amounts of Awesome


...amen.

[MasterSenshi]

Terra is my favorite FF character all time. She turns into a freaking purple monster. I would love it if they could update them and put them into smash. Her final smash could be morphing into an esper and casting some huge spell, or just attacking eight times on whoever was nearby. :-P

Actually I don't think the job classes would work so well, unless they were trying to go for something generic, and since Square/Enix haven't confirmed anything, I doubt that would be their strategy. But still, having a magic user would be great... we have a lot of sword fighters, why not have someone who uses Ultima as their final smash or Meteo (FFIV)?

I think that we may not see any other 3rd party characters announced. However, we will see who likes Nintendo with the characters. Kojima's Snake is in only because Kojima wanted it to happen. And well, Nintendo and Konami never had any bad blood between them.

As for a Final Fantasy Character, well, that's an interesting idea but who would you pick?

I mean, Snake was Metal Gear Solid, just like there would be no Metroid without Samus.

Final Fantasy characters are for the most part one shot characters, and it is rare to have the game revolve around them. (At this point, someone is pointing out Ness and the pokemons, I am sure. However, Ness was the most important character in a game that was one of a kind for nintendo (how many RPGs has nintendo released anyway?). The pokemons were handpicked:
1 The anime mascot
2 A fan favorite (Jigglypuff)
3 A secret pokemon (who the hell got Mewtwo on their first run anyway?)
4 A young version of the mascot.

I mean, sure, they could pick Kain. But why not Cecil (the main character who could have a wicked transformation between dark knight and paladin)?
Terra? Yeah but what about Celes or Locke?

The best they could do for FF is simply make a cycle character like the trainer, and put it Warrior, Black Mage, Thief and White Mage. (That would kick ass if you ask me).

[The Author]

Unless....


Unless the MGS4 music means something else...

As if MGS4's music, being from a game that is supposed to appear on a nintendo system to be in the game could be interpreted as meaning that a specific game related to MGS4's music might appear on the Wii...

If only I had the brains to figure out such a puzzle. Let me consult my computatron for a while.

...

...

...


Yes, we could interpret that MGS4's music being in SSBB means that somewhere along the line, another game could be on the wii...

...
...

I think I figured it out.


Coming next spring:

Snake Snake Revolution, a DDR clone that uses MGS4 music coming exclusively for the Wii.

(Well that or they decided to use a badass music they had on hand.)

Edit
Oh and and I wish we get the radioactive zanzibar gerbils or whatever the hell it was in the game.

Edit2 (the game being Metal Gear 2)

Edit 3 Errr... Snake's Revenge, not MG2...

Edit 4: I hate conflicting source. There were mutant radioactive something from zanzibar land in one of the unreleased MG, most likely MG2, but maybe Snake's Revenge...

[Jam Stunna]

Massive amounts of awesome

I would buy this game several times.

[Arrow]

Hmm, so how many non-Nintendo characters would you guys think is necesary for this game to feel like "that game that is open to any cool mascot"?

Didn't Sakurai say way back when that there'd only be a max of 2 or 3 third party characters anyway?

[Strike911]

It was radioactive zanzibar hamsters. Hehehehehe.

Yeah. Sakurai said 2 or 3 non-nintendo characters, max.

I bet they chose the MGS4 music because of the original MGS theme plagiarization accusations...

[Antipode]

Didn't Sakurai say way back when that there'd only be a max of 2 or 3 third party characters anyway?

And speaking of that, I seem to remember a rumor that Rayman MIGHT be included. Personally I think this seems relatively likely - he's a mascot that's appeared in a (for a time) Wii-exclusive game, and he's been in many games on Nintendo consoles in the past. Plus I mean to be honest there aren't really many mascots from other companies that COULD be used other than himself and Sonic.

[megadave]

Mega Man. I know a lot of you grow weary of us Mega Man fans, but seriously, there is no other third-party character that deserves placement in brawl more than him.

[Raziellink]

And speaking of that, I seem to remember a rumor that Rayman MIGHT be included. Personally I think this seems relatively likely - he's a mascot that's appeared in a (for a time) Wii-exclusive game, and he's been in many games on Nintendo consoles in the past. Plus I mean to be honest there aren't really many mascots from other companies that COULD be used other than himself and Sonic.

Yeah, but does it have to be a mascot? It could be anybody. Besides, didn't the Japanese vote for who they would want to see?

[Arek the Absolute]

lloyd irving for brawl
b - demon fang
forward b - sword rain or sonic thrust
down b - tiger blade/tiger rage
up b- tempest


hed be the only swordie with an original fucking up b rather than that arc up shit

[megadave]

Michael Jackson, Skeletor, Oprah, and King Vitamin. Oh yeah, that would be awesome.

[Arek the Absolute]

michael jackson for brawl

[Cecilff2]

michael jackson for brawl
Just so we could see everyone dance themselves to death during his final smash.

[Lotd2242]

I vote for the Blob from A Boy and His Blob: Trouble on Blobolonia.

[Arek the Absolute]

no way man that guy promotes takin drugs

[Lotd2242]

They were jelly-beans.

[megadave]

Just so we could see everyone dance themselves to death during his final smash.

Forward+B for moonwalk dash.

Down+B and he turn for his post-90's pedo transformation.

[Arek the Absolute]

They were jelly-beans.

says you
--

[Raziellink]

Michael Jackson's grab: picking somebody up, and dangle him on the edge from a platform.

[Lotd2242]

says you
--

Says the game.

[Critical Hit]

Mega Man. I know a lot of you grow weary of us Mega Man fans, but seriously, there is no other third-party character that deserves placement in brawl more than him.

This man speaks the truth. If there are any other third party characters to be in Brawl, I'm thinking Sonic is probably the most likely, followed by Megaman.

Edit:

Michael Jackson's grab: picking somebody up, and dangle him on the edge from a platform.

obligatory lulz

[megadave]

This man speaks the truth. If there are any other third party characters to be in Brawl, I'm thinking Sonic is probably the most likely, followed by Megaman.

Edit:



obligatory lulz

Word up. I think Sonic is likely to appear in there. I'd be surprised if he wasn't.

[Lotd2242]

I won't be. Sonic is the most obvious, logical, and desired choice, so being a big company Nintendo is likely to do the exact opposite.

[Ray Falling]

Hmm okay, let's try a different question then: did this whole 3rd party character craze start only because of the Snake announcement, or did people feel the want for 3rd party characters after Melee in the first place?

I for one don't feel Brawl NEEDS 3rd party characters, so in that sense, I would be happy with just having Snake (I'm neutral towards his inclusion since I dont know him or his games).
However if so, then this wouldn't be that "all mascots welcome" thing I for some reason thought it was supposed to be...I probably misunderstood some of Sakurai's very early comments about Brawl when it was announced.

If Snake's inclusion is merely a favor to a friend then I'm fine with that too. :) Still he may feel a little out of place...

[Solid Krono]

Mega Man. I know a lot of you grow weary of us Mega Man fans, but seriously, there is no other third-party character that deserves placement in brawl more than him.

What abilities would he have? As we all know, one of Mega Man's main things was using abilities he obtained from defeating his opponents.

... interesting.

[Thalzon]

It'd be Battle Network Megaman. The original and X aren't currently as popular as the other two (Though even the BN Megaman isn't very popular anymore. Now it's some Star Force wtf-ery).

I'd prefer Zero from the Megaman Zero series, myself. I know, another sword-user, but it sure beats Navi Megaman.

[Bigfoot]

Sonic better not be in this game.

If Megaman shows up in Brawl, it better be the original.

[Antipode]

You know full well Sonic is probably doubly likely to appear as compared to Mega Man. Not to say it wouldn't be amazing, because I think it would.

That aside, we've got to hit page 1000 before the game is released! We can do it. Mostly I'm just curious what happens because the little boxes don't have enough room for four digits. Do they just expand a bit or does the 1000 get cut off?

[nohero]

lloyd irving for brawl
b - demon fang
forward b - sword rain or sonic thrust
down b - tiger blade/tiger rage
up b- tempest


hed be the only swordie with an original fucking up b rather than that arc up shit

Seconded! Moar Tales chars plz.
Although I think Regal would make a much more interesting character.

[MechaFone]

That aside, we've got to hit page 1000 before the game is released! We can do it.

Hey, I just thought I'd help get to page 1000.

[Bigfoot]

You know full well Sonic is probably doubly likely to appear as compared to Mega Man. Not to say it wouldn't be amazing, because I think it would.

That aside, we've got to hit page 1000 before the game is released! We can do it. Mostly I'm just curious what happens because the little boxes don't have enough room for four digits. Do they just expand a bit or does the 1000 get cut off?

Why would Sonic be more likely to appear? He wasn't even originally on a Nintendo console. Smash is about Nintendo's stars with the exception of Snake having a special appearance, and that was already known from the beginning trailer.

[Linkjing Donuts]

Hmm okay, let's try a different question then: did this whole 3rd party character craze start only because of the Snake announcement, or did people feel the want for 3rd party characters after Melee in the first place?

I for one don't feel Brawl NEEDS 3rd party characters, so in that sense, I would be happy with just having Snake (I'm neutral towards his inclusion since I dont know him or his games).
However if so, then this wouldn't be that "all mascots welcome" thing I for some reason thought it was supposed to be...I probably misunderstood some of Sakurai's very early comments about Brawl when it was announced.

If Snake's inclusion is merely a favor to a friend then I'm fine with that too. :) Still he may feel a little out of place...
it all started when HAY GUYS ENTER THIS CODE WITH FOX OR FALCO AND THEN A RED ARWING WILL FLY IN AND SONIC AND TAILS WILL COME OUT AND THEN YOU CAN PLAY AS THEM

[Bigfoot]

it all started when HAY GUYS ENTER THIS CODE WITH FOX OR FALCO AND THEN A RED ARWING WILL FLY IN AND SONIC AND TAILS WILL COME OUT AND THEN YOU CAN PLAY AS THEM

YOU MEAN IT'S NOT TRUE?!?!!? DAMMIT

[linkspast]

Was`t that from some Aprils fool joke? one of my stupid friends thought it was true... Until he actually killed 20 in cruel melee

[DuskyFerret]

Sorry if these ideas hav already been brought up but as you guys have been discussing, THIS THREAD IS NEARING 1000 FREAKIN PAGES LONG!!!11!!:razz:

As for the character I'd most like to see, well let's just say it is very unlikely for reasons that may aggrivate many people but we won't get into that...
and that character is BANJO! He would've been perfect for Brawl as he had so many mad moves from his games that could have been used. Such a shame that it just can't happen anymore....

Also, is anyone else at least mildly dissappointed by Link's Final Smash. I know this is going way back and may have been brought up already but after seeing Bowser's FS, all I can think is that Link should really have turned into Fierce Diety. I know he is meant to be based on Twilight Princess Link but come on! IT woulda been friggin AWESOME.

Also with that, i would love to see 3 other additions as individual characters. Deku, Goron and Zora link. They could easily work as characters and would be a great variety for the game in terms of abilities. And as for Goron's final smash....all I can say is BLAST KEG!!!!!111!!!1

[Paratha]

Link should really have turned into Fierce Diety. I know he is meant to be based on Twilight Princess Link but come on! IT woulda been friggin AWESOME.

Nah. CD-I Link for Instant Kill.

[defender!!]

Yeah! That old Sakurai's no match for the king!

[Airwalker]

You know, I hope they release the original Smash Brothers on virtual console--perhaps to coincide with the release of Brawl. (Or better yet, precede it.) I never actually owned a copy despite owning a 64. I always played it at other people's houses or at this after school thing they had going on in Middle School. The memories... so faint.

[Strike911]

no seriously, if Michael Jackson was in the game his moves would be as follows:

His walk/run movements would be all moonwalking

B would be his little dance kick deal
Forward+B would spin forward followed by a crotch grab
Up+B he'd pull out a little kid out of his pants and jump off them for more airtime
Down+B would transform him from white to black (and vice versa)

when in black mode he does way more damage

Final Smash: Band of zombies show up and dance around and then he molests you. Game Over. Michael Jackson wins. HEEE HEEE. OOHHH! *crotch grab*

[Broken]

it all started when HAY GUYS ENTER THIS CODE WITH FOX OR FALCO AND THEN A RED ARWING WILL FLY IN AND SONIC AND TAILS WILL COME OUT AND THEN YOU CAN PLAY AS THEM

You must defeat Shenlong to stand a chance.....

Also, seeing snake perform CQC on Ike made my day. I'm not sure what I think about the MGS4 theme. It's not bothersome, but it's not very interesting either. I'm sure it'll be fine during gameplay though.

And, I'm having friends over for smash tomorrow, woot!

[Antipode]

no seriously, if Michael Jackson was in the game his moves would be as follows:

His walk/run movements would be all moonwalking

B would be his little dance kick deal
Forward+B would spin forward followed by a crotch grab
Up+B he'd pull out a little kid out of his pants and jump off them for more airtime
Down+B would transform him from white to black (and vice versa)

when in black mode he does way more damage

Final Smash: Band of zombies show up and dance around and then he molests you. Game Over. Michael Jackson wins. HEEE HEEE. OOHHH! *crotch grab*
Of course it'd have to use the voice samples from Moonwalker. Haha, his taunt: "Who's bad?!"

[Strike911]

Of course it'd have to use the voice samples from Moonwalker. Haha, his taunt: "Who's bad?!"

haha! exactly!

[Dexie]

What abilities would he have? As we all know, one of Mega Man's main things was using abilities he obtained from defeating his opponents.

... interesting.

B - Charge Shot
B+Down - Slide
B+Up - Dragon Punch from MM7's secret mode
B+Forward - Rush Jet

Final Smash - Rush Adaptor transformation

Or, you could just give him a bunch of master weapons.

[Strike911]

Mega Man would be a really cool character, I have to admit.

Part of me, a very twisted part of me, wants to see Ryu from Street Fighter in it... is that strange? How weird would it be doing a hadoken with only the b button? hehe

[Global-Trance]

Last night, I placed 3rd in a tournament of about 40 people, only to be BARELY (last stock down to the wire) eliminated by goofing up at the end of a match against "meeps" who is currently ranked #15 in Northern California.

[Red Shadow]

yo strike, i like your sig

also, gj gt

[Jam Stunna]

Last night, I placed 3rd in a tournament of about 40 people, only to be BARELY (last stock down to the wire) eliminated by goofing up at the end of a match against "meeps" who is currently ranked #15 in Northern California.

Good stuff, GT. You have no excuse not to go to more tourneys. *shakes fist angrily*

[KakTheInfected]

You know, I hope they release the original Smash Brothers on virtual console--perhaps to coincide with the release of Brawl. (Or better yet, precede it.) I never actually owned a copy despite owning a 64. I always played it at other people's houses or at this after school thing they had going on in Middle School. The memories... so faint.

I'd love to see it updated with online play (yes I'm aware you can do that on PC) but this is Nintendo so that isn't going to happen. The sound effects in the US version were so much better on the N64. They're just too soft in Melee.

[Global-Trance]

Good stuff, GT. You have no excuse not to go to more tourneys. *shakes fist angrily*

Haha... some guy posted about it. http://www.getyourtournament.com/news/200345.html

Can't believe I almost beat a state ranked fellow.

[Strike911]

yo strike, i like your sig

Thank you, sir. :D

Also... i love this picture of Snake putting mario to sleep...

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/070921mariogh9.jpg

[FuriousFure]

Kirby's Final Smash = Crash power from Kirby's Adventure (NES)


also they totally need to get rid of someone Kirby's Moveset and add some classic abilities found in his game.
Spike
Laser
Wheel
High-Jump
UFO!
Beam


you could have it so the enemies would be assist trophies and if kirby who swallow them up that'll become his Special moves but if not, they would just be like pokemon.

[Dunther]

Kirby's Final Smash = Crash power from Kirby's Adventure (NES)
It would be great, but Kirby's Final Smash will be Cook....it has been seen in the first video...

[MasterSenshi]

I've heard people say Kirby was 'overpowered', but now he's 'balanced'. I can't believe some of these arguments... Kirby is too light, his attacks aren't very effective on certain characters, especially Link and the larger characters, and he has a tendency to fly VERY quickly.

I was a little pissed off when they said 'Kirby had changed the least' on the blog. Hopefully what they did change will make him a more powerful character. He went from being one of my best characters (along with Ness) to one I could only used due to experience. If I had just started on Melee I would have never picked up Kirby, which is sad.

The way Ness and Kirby were weakened from their previous iterations really was my biggest gripe with Melee. I lost a lot of power from my two faves. Hopefully I won't have to redo my repetoire again for brawl, except by adding some of the new characters.

[Rambo]

I was a little pissed off when they said 'Kirby had changed the least' on the blog. Hopefully what they did change will make him a more powerful character. He went from being one of my best characters (along with Ness) to one I could only used due to experience. If I had just started on Melee I would have never picked up Kirby, which is sad.

I understood his appearance had changed the least... thats sure what they make it out so sound like in the blog.

He’s the only character who really hasn’t changed much from his appearance in Super Smash Bros. Melee. He’s round, pink, and soft.

Albeit we have seen just about all his B moves in the trailers... and they don't seem to be any different... but that doesn't mean he doesn't play entirely different!

:|

[Eulogic]

also they totally need to get rid of someone Kirby's Moveset and add some classic abilities found in his game.

hammer, cutter, and rock aren't classic abilities?

[Strike911]

hammer, cutter, and rock aren't classic abilities?

Seriously, they should give Kirby a bazooka, I think that's more his speed than that stupid rock. Who the hell came up with that dumb rock move anyway? It's not like it's from any of the games or anything. Just... retarded. And while they're at it they should change him from pink to being camouflage, because pink is a ghey color... Kirby needs an image makeover. The games really need to cater to a more adult audience because the entire concept of Kirby is really deserving of better "classic" material. In fact, they should also get rid of that stupid sword because we all know a gun is better than a sword. And additionally, they should change Kirby's voice to a really deep raspy voice instead of a high pitch wiener voice... and maybe add some stubble so it looks like Kirby's been through hell, and maybe some smokes. Seriously, why should I be afraid of Kirby? He's not classic at all in Smash Brothers... gay moves that they just made up in the first Smash bros that they decided to keep in melee. how retarded. And they should also make dreamland a desolate post-apocalyptic setting instead of the super happy style they've been portraying for years. Why is that game so happy. It needs to be more adult, and evil, and just better in general. There is nothing classic about Kirby in Smash Brothers and Nintendo needs to get their act together in the future if they expect me to stay a fanboy... no lie. They need more classic moves for Kirby in Smash Bros. Seriously. None of them are classic except for his eating ability.

If you don't feel this way you're stupid and uneducated. Get it right Sakurai and stop being an idiot with all this made up crap in Smash Brothers.

[Effector]

Kirby players may maul me, but I think Cutter and Hammer are annoying as hell. Beam, Sword, and Wheel plz.

And Strike, I don't even know why you quoted Eulogic. I can't tell if it was an accident or you missed the point totally.

[Rambo]

And Strike, I don't even know why you quoted Eulogic. I can't tell if it was an accident or you missed the point totally.

Seconded. Wtf? :|

[FuriousFure]

hammer, cutter, and rock aren't classic abilities?

yeah. also fireball and his throws (back drop) cutters changed alittle but after replaying Kirby's adventure I have re-relized how badass some of the other powers he has at his disposal. so if they keep his move set the same from melee.

like I said before is that the enemies could be assist trophies and sucking them in could change his B moves like sucking in any other charcter does. so he wouldn't change. they would just put in the assist trophies like Knuckle Joe. and if he get them as his assist trophy then he could suck them up.

also maybe, he has multiple final smashes. like Cook will do ALOT of damage to one person while a different final smash would affect everyone and not do as much damage.

[Brithor]

And Strike, I don't even know why you quoted Eulogic. I can't tell if it was an accident or you missed the point totally.Seconded. Wtf? :|

He was being sarcastic... I think. lol

Also, why would Kirby have more Final Smashes than every other character? Sounds kind of unfair to me.

[Effector]

He was being sarcastic... I think. lol

Yeah, I got the sarcasm. But whatever point he was trying to make (that people complain about cartoon-y characters?) really didn't have anything to do with Eulogic's post (that Kirby's moves really do draw from his old-school heritage).

[Ralphis]

He was clearly agreeing with him through use of sarcasm

[Broken]

Last night, I placed 3rd in a tournament of about 40 people, only to be BARELY (last stock down to the wire) eliminated by goofing up at the end of a match against "meeps" who is currently ranked #15 in Northern California.

Well done, man. Did you record any matches? I'd like to see them. I still need to discuss melee stuff with you on aim. I should be free later this evening.

I recorded some more friendlies yesterday. Some of the matches are pretty freaking funny. We did a mock Bowser challenge and I pwned (mainly because my friends were being stupid, but hey I still won.)

[Strike911]

He was clearly agreeing with him through use of sarcasm

... I contradict myself a hundred times, how could you possibly take me seriously, not to mention that I said in the very first line that I want Kirby to have a Bazooka to be more classic. What the hell?! That's so "classic"... you know, with all those Kirby games where Kirby's wailing on people with a bazooka.

I quoted Eulogic because he was true. Miss the point totally?! Pfft, no, and it has nothing to do with cartoony characters...

Almost everything about Kirby is classic in the Smash series. Someone said Kirby's moves weren't classic enough so I suggested some overtly ridiculous moves and ideas that were clearly NOT classic, because Kirby as a character in Smash is exactly what everyone would expect from him. And to make sure people didn't take me seriously, I underscored it by taking it really far so I wouldn't have to explain it all later... which... I should have just explained in the first place apparently.

...

: )

[Brithor]

... I contradict myself a hundred times, how could you possibly take me seriously, not to mention that I said in the very first line that I want Kirby to have a Bazooka to be more classic. What the hell?! That's so "classic"... you know, with all those Kirby games where Kirby's wailing on people with a bazooka.

I quoted Eulogic because he was true. Miss the point totally?! Pfft, no, and it has nothing to do with cartoony characters...

Almost everything about Kirby is classic in the Smash series. Someone said Kirby's moves weren't classic enough so I suggested some overtly ridiculous moves and ideas that were clearly NOT classic, because Kirby as a character in Smash is exactly what everyone would expect from him. And to make sure people didn't take me seriously, I underscored it by taking it really far so I wouldn't have to explain it all later... which... I should have just explained in the first place apparently.

...

: )

You were more or less describing Kirby with Snake's power.

[Strike911]

You were more or less describing Kirby with Snake's power.

... so true. That is a keen observation sir that I didn't catch actually. Only thing missing is the bandana. Snake is the definition of awesome though, I have to admit.

Let's face it, Kirby + Solid Snake is clearly Kirby's ultimate form. Hehe. ^_~ I can't wait to see that.

[FuriousFure]

Hey Guys! one year and 700 pages later. go down memory lane, it's fun!

[MasterSenshi]

Cutter is occasionally useful, but against some characters (esp. Falco and Fox), it is almost impossible to use it without at least decent tactics. On the other hand, fox can cut you down in your tracks with his pistol, then use firefox or that lightning move and decimate you.

Basically I want more balance. I love using Kirby... to me he's like the epitome of Smash. A pink, child-like character who nonetheless can deliver massive damage, and float around and crap.

If Kirby ONLY had faster reaction time, most of my gripes would be nonexistent. I would like to see some new moves for him, but if I could actually pull of moves as quickly as I pressed, without a delay that seems monumental compared even to Bowser, it would be great. New moves or no new moves, they just need to make him a better player. Smash should be fun, not this competitive crap everyone is up to. Tournaments are fine, but video games are fun first, a challenge second. The fun aspect can be sucked away when you were clearly superior in a fight, but got your butt kicked because of the character, though.

[MasterSenshi]

Agreed, that will be awesome. :)

In the first smash, I remember absorbing Ness, and then PK Fire juggling people mercilessly, followed by an UP smash. AHAHAHAHAHAHA that was awesome.

Actually now I think of it, that chain was sort of like fox's pistol, except there was a small chance of escape.

I'm just ranting.... more new characters, I'm getting hyped on using my mains again! Come on Sakurai, UPDATE US! lol

[BardicKnowledge]

Let's face it, Kirby + Solid Snake is clearly Kirby's ultimate form. Hehe. ^_~ I can't wait to see that.

Similarly, someone back (too many pages for me to quote it) suggested that Kirby have a lollipop instead of a cigar when he copies Snake, and I second that whole-heartedly.

[Strike911]

Similarly, someone back (too many pages for me to quote it) suggested that Kirby have a lollipop instead of a cigar when he copies Snake, and I second that whole-heartedly.

that's actually a great suggestion. I too agree!!

[Jam Stunna]

Wow, page, 700. Posting in a legendary thread.

[Bigfoot]

Today's update will be Captain Falcon along with his moves. His knee will be twice as powerful.

[Neo Samus]

Today's update will be Captain Falcon along with his moves. His knee will be twice as powerful.

I don't know, two character in a row? I think it's gonna be something smaller. I hope I'm wrong though.....


Also, MGS song is fucking sweet!!

Edit: well it's actually bigger than I expected. I'm glad to see Trophies are back!

[!Nekko!]

Whirrrrrreeee...

[nohero]

Well, seems safe to say that Dr. Stewart won't be a playable character. Again.

[KakTheInfected]

Well, seems safe to say that Dr. Stewart won't be a playable character. Again.

If Samurai Goroh, Beastman or Pico aren't playable, Dr. Stewart sure as shit shouldn't be.