Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Strike911]

MaN! JUST WHEN I STOPPED HAVING OOCCOO NIGHT TERRORS... -_-





.... thanks a lot, nintendo, for all those sleepless nights.

[Antipode]

Thank god. I thought stickers were replacing these things for good. Now stickers aren't quite as bad as they were going to be.

[MeTc123 RType]

The Brawl community here is huge. 700+ thread lol.

Im looking forward to Brawl i think its going to be awesome

In melee i Masterd the tech's of donky kong, and basically bullied all of my friends. we'd have big smash sesions, one character i cant stand is jiglypuff sooooooooooo annoying!!!!! that spin roll attack was like a cheap shot wen im busy claping everyone with DK lol

Mario was also one of my best characters!!! he can do anything!! jump, survive, quick, dodge, attack!!!...

hopefully they announce some kind of online ranking system, teams, clans would also be good

[Raziellink]

MaN! JUST WHEN I STOPPED HAVING OOCCOO NIGHT TERRORS... -_-





.... thanks a lot, nintendo, for all those sleepless nights.


Yeah, they are a bunch of scary fuckers alright.


Thank god! The Trophy's are back. Let's just hope most of them are old trophy's with a new look, or completely new and not exactly the same from SSBM, but only better looking.

[Ray Falling]

I too am very happy to see the trophies back, rather than them being replaced by the stickers :) (which I think are also nice).

Collecting all the trophies was one of the longest and most fun challenges of Melee. I look forward to collecting them in Brawl as well.

[Dunther]

The Food seems like will be 2D even this time...

[Infinity's End]

Does that really even matter? Considering that you're not a game developer, you do realize that every polygon counts, right? So if you spend 500-1000 polys on every little food item, it's not going to help anything but slow the game down. Especially if you're playing online. Everyone knows the Wii isn't a graphical powerhouse.

[Dunther]

It's not a important thing...I just noticed it...

[Baleshadow]

I don't know why, but I was remembering some of the made-up custom games my cousins and I would play in the original Smash.

One involved playing on Sector Z, with beam sword being the only item and set to spawn very low. We would fight normally until a beam sword spawned, and then the goal was to hold on to it until an Arwing showed up and ride it off the screen (thus securing the alien technology from falling into the wrong hands), while everyone else prevented that from happening. Doing so would net the player 3 (or perhaps 5) points, which we would manually add to the point totals after the game. It may sound silly (mostly because it really is) but it was fun. Good times.

As for today's update, yay for trophies, boo for Ooccoo.

[Aninymouse]

Whirrrrrreeee...

For fuck's sake, how are we supposed to even pronouce that? The DOJO translation team really outdid themselves with that one.

[cobaltstarfire]

It's kind of cool how you can arrange trophies and make scenes out of them.

[The Mutericator]

Wrrryyyyyyyyyy...

Fix'dtenchar

[Airwalker]

It's quite possible that the trophies are all things you can see in game. Be it assist trophies or playable characters. Heck, if you're wasting polygons on those trophies, you may as well make them appear in the game.

Ooccoo! I choose you!

[Bigfoot]

Sonic and Tails confirmed.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8156/sonictailsfo6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Airwalker]

Sonic and Tails confirmed.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8156/sonictailsfo6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dude, you're right! If you tilt your monitor enough, you can see past the edge of the Jpeg and there they are! Amazing find.

[Neo Samus]

Dude, you're right! If you tilt your monitor enough, you can see past the edge of the Jpeg and there they are! Amazing find.

LOL!!! I can't believe they are in the game!

Awesome find Bigfoot!

[Raziellink]

Sonic and Tails confirmed.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8156/sonictailsfo6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

You the man.

[megadave]

I have to go get my Sonic Mega Collection back from my brother. That thing is made of win. By the way, can I get some pointers here?

I just got hi-speed cable, and my machine is a 6-year-old frankenstein sitting upstairs. I bought a modem which doesn't transmit wireless. I need a wireless router to have a signal for my Wii, which is downstairs, but my computer only has two USB ports, and can it even work that way in the first place?

I know they have an adapter, which is cheaper, but then I have to run a big-ass cord through the house? So, what do you think?

[The Mutericator]

Dude, you're right! If you tilt your monitor enough, you can see past the edge of the Jpeg and there they are! Amazing find.

I laughed so damned hard at this.

[The Author]

I have to admit I looked at the picture closely for any clues. (Kinda like some people looked at the bridge picture that led to the DK revelation).

[Bigfoot]

Well, one trophy does have me wondering.. what is the one directly in the middle? I can't think of what it is.

[Airwalker]

Well, one trophy does have me wondering.. what is the one directly in the middle? I can't think of what it is.

The trophy that looks like the little guy standing in a bottle? I think that's the item (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist01.html) that makes an assist trophy appear.

[Bigfoot]

Ah, completely forgot. Thanks.

[KakTheInfected]

Who else is completely bored at Final Smash reveals at this point? Everyone? Thought so. Guess we can't expect much after last week.

[Strike911]

dang, so are all those explosions from individual shots diddy is making? Might be interesting to see!

Hehe... Diddy's packin'

The fact that the guns shoot and explode on impact is what intrigues me... I dig all the explosions.
I bet seeing this in motion is crazy awesome.

[Dunther]

I am a little disappointed...I was hoping for the electric guitar...

[linkspast]

I am a little disappointed...I was hoping for the electric guitar...

QFE...

and this helps recover damage....

[Triad Orion]

Who else is completely bored at Final Smash reveals at this point? Everyone? Thought so. Guess we can't expect much after last week.

Seconded. I really don't care about Final Smashes until I actually see them while I'm playing the game.

[Dunther]

Well, I am very curious about the Final Smashes...

[The Mutericator]

I am a little disappointed...I was hoping for the electric guitar...

I think it's worth noting that so far everyone's Final Smashes have been avoidable if you're good enough (even the Hyper Beam). I can't think of a way to make Diddy play guitar without making it unavoidable.

[Alpine Flame]

I think it's worth noting that so far everyone's Final Smashes have been avoidable if you're good enough (even the Hyper Beam). I can't think of a way to make Diddy play guitar without making it unavoidable.

You could have the guitar spawn some explosive 1-up ballons that floated up from the bottom of the stage. That would be somewhat avoidable.

[Bigfoot]

If anyone is bored, here are some friendly matches between my friend and I. I'm currently trying to teach my friends advanced techniques like short hopping and L-canceling n such, they're learning. I'm also trying to get better at them myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKUr96hra7M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjgNIpODZcs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZNQdTrUysA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqoEb7au_7Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x6Cct6k49w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dTAxUgSCU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG6evPBqvfo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY8gMqFaT1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlNwlunvwS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3rr3QMhxJk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ycc8_vljA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPkbfE6q16g

The guy in this video doesn't really play Smash at all, but just watch at 1:02-1:05 in the video. I liked that part :P haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KRkwj6HtxY

[Dunther]

I think it's worth noting that so far everyone's Final Smashes have been avoidable if you're good enough (even the Hyper Beam). I can't think of a way to make Diddy play guitar without making it unavoidable.

Well...how to dodge the DK's Final Smash?

[BardicKnowledge]

Thanks for the videos, Bigfoot! Knee of Justice ftw!

[Sir_NutS]

I for one don't feel Brawl NEEDS 3rd party characters, so in that sense, I would be happy with just having Snake (I'm neutral towards his inclusion since I dont know him or his games).

Heathen. GTFO and don't come back until you've finished all metal gear games, including the ultrarare turbografx sequel.

you will need to do so anyways in order to understand the utterly convoluted story, but you're still missing one of the best sagas in videogame history. (The best, in this humble player's opinion)

[Ray Falling]

Heathen. GTFO and don't come back until you've finished all metal gear games, including the ultrarare turbografx sequel.

you will need to do so anyways in order to understand the utterly convoluted story, but you're still missing one of the best sagas in videogame history. (The best, in this humble player's opinion)

That...really wasn't the point...at all >_>

I feel no desire to play MGS games though. Since I don't know what I'm missing, I'm not really missing it now am I?

I'd rather casually stumble upon really good games, rather than listening to the hype.

[KakTheInfected]

I feel no desire to play MGS games though. Since I don't know what I'm missing, I'm not really missing it now am I?

I'd rather casually stumble upon really good games, rather than listening to the hype.

That is...dumb. Sorry.

[Ray Falling]

That is...dumb. Sorry.

So you're saying I should buy a game for platforms I don't have and never have owned because many, many people love it?

Let me get right out and buy me a 360 with Halo 3! Everybody loves it, so it must be good! (not to mention worth all that money that I'm spending on a system I'd be owning one game on).*

Look, I'm trying to keep an open mind for games I haven't played, but I just feel no desire to buy a lot of games that everyone seems to love.
Much like I don't feel the desire to buy a car, or talk to all my friends on my mobile phone every damn moment of the day.
Everybody does it, but why should I?

Ask someone to recommend music to you in the genre you (think you) like. How much crap would you get and how much would actually be right up yer alley?

If you still don't understand my point, then I'm the one feeling sorry...



*(I have nothing against Halo at this point. It just seemed like the most obvious game to mention to get a point across.)

[Sir_NutS]

That...really wasn't the point...at all >_>

I feel no desire to play MGS games though. Since I don't know what I'm missing, I'm not really missing it now am I?

I'd rather casually stumble upon really good games, rather than listening to the hype.

Well metal gear didn't get hype for nothing, did it? Metal gear solid 1 for psx didn't recieve that much hype when it came out, aside from good reviews, it got its status on its own merits, unlike some games that have been hype machines since their conception *halocough*

[Aninymouse]

I feel no desire to play MGS games though. Since I don't know what I'm missing, I'm not really missing it now am I?

You don’t have time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball.

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/files/upload/galleryimage_10809_f.jpg

[Ray Falling]

Well metal gear didn't get hype for nothing, did it? Metal gear solid 1 for psx didn't recieve that much hype when it came out, aside from good reviews, it got its status on its own merits, unlike some games that have been hype machines since their conception *halocough*

That's just fine. Either way, I have no desire to play it because it is not in any of the genres that I enjoy.

I play games I grew up with, on systems I actually own. I'm open to other games, but I want to ease my way into new genres, not get them shoved down my throat (like people tried to do with RE4).

Great that you love the series so much. I just love other games that way.


EDIT:

You don’t have time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball.

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/files/upload/galleryimage_10809_f.jpg

Darn! The one time I dress up as Mario and someone takes a picture of me...

Curse...you...Link!

Curse...you...Zelda!

Curse...you...peer pressure and mobile phone cameras!

[KakTheInfected]

So you're saying I should buy a game for platforms I don't have and never have owned because many, many people love it?

Let me get right out and buy me a 360 with Halo 3! Everybody loves it, so it must be good! (not to mention worth all that money that I'm spending on a system I'd be owning one game on).*

Look, I'm trying to keep an open mind for games I haven't played, but I just feel no desire to buy a lot of games that everyone seems to love.
Much like I don't feel the desire to buy a car, or talk to all my friends on my mobile phone every damn moment of the day.
Everybody does it, but why should I?

Ask someone to recommend music to you in the genre you (think you) like. How much crap would you get and how much would actually be right up yer alley?

If you still don't understand my point, then I'm the one feeling sorry...



*(I have nothing against Halo at this point. It just seemed like the most obvious game to mention to get a point across.)

MGS is a ridiculously good series. It's not like Halo, where you could play nearly any alien FPS in history and have pretty much experienced the same damn thing. For christ sake, a PS2 costs $99 or something now and MGS 1-3 can't be that expensive either.

[Sir_NutS]

RE4 is an amazing game though, deserved all hype it got back then, and this comes from a person that was never into RE because most of them were plain retarded.

There are games that are hype machines and flunk, but you can easily tell by reviews and by asking other gamers (recent examples: Lair, Red Steel). Halo , although the biggest hype machine ever conceived, is still a solid game.

But if that's your style it's fine, but being closed minded to games just because they get a lot of hype, isn't smart imho.

[Bigfoot]

Can we get back on topic about how Sonic and Tails are confirmed?

[megadave]

Well, I'm going to go buy some Wii games soon, and none of them will be Mario, Zelda, or Halo. It's important to pick up those no-name titles, just like it's important to listen to music that isn't popular. You will find a diamond in the rough, and no one else will know about it.

Yeah, I plan on picking up Ninjabread man, a budget platformer with a ninja gingerbread man. I like quirky weird shit like that. I thought it was coming out today, but apparently it's October 3. Once I get my Wifi back, I'll be downloading Neutopia 1 and 2. Meanwhile, the rest of the world will be playing Halo 3, and I'm fine with that.

But we're off topic here. Maybe we should bump the Wii thread.

[KakTheInfected]

Can we can back on topic about how Sonic and Tails are confirmed?

ZOMG

/refrainsfromsayingsonicsucksagain...oopsthisisvisi ble

[Bigfoot]

Wow, I totally murdered that post I made.

[Ray Falling]

But if that's your style it's fine, but being closed minded to games just because they get a lot of hype, isn't smart imho.

I've been very open minded these past few years and so far I have only been dissapointed. History is my teacher, and it is a good one at that.

Having said that though, I'm sure there are plenty of good series (hype or no hype) that I haven't played. Again, I just don't feel I MUST play games on systems I don't own.

That's really all there is to say. We have different tastes, and that's just fine :)
I just don't appreciate it when people suggest I'm less of a whatever, just because I haven't played a certain something they're really passionate about (you probably didn't even mean to do that anyway). Or call me dumb because I have a different style or preference that, for me, is working out just fine.

Just a silly argument that didn't even need so many words...


It's important to pick up those no-name titles, just like it's important to listen to music that isn't popular. You will find a diamond in the rough, and no one else will know about it.

But we're off topic here. Maybe we should bump the Wii thread.

Exactly. Big name games can still be good and all, but I love finding greatness in smaller names.

It went like that for me with Tales of Symphonia and Baten Kaitos. Since there was little to no hype back then, I could sort of...get into them with a fresh page on my mind.
That way it feels more personal, almost as if it's just for you.

Once the hype kicks in it just feels like it's mass marketed and not so personal, and that's when bias starts too.
It'll be like your hyperactive friend saying "ZOMG You gotta listen to this new song by *insert popular band name*"
I'd rather they say "Hey man, here's a CD. Take it home for a month and listen to it, ya know, whenever you feel like it. And let me know what you think later..."

Maybe we should bump up the Wii thread :) *goes there now*

[Eulogic]

Yeah, I hate it when things I like are popular! Grrr!!!

brb gotta update my livejournal

[cobaltstarfire]

I think his point is that he doesn't own the system, and there's no reason for him to buy a system just for a game in a genre he doesn't tend to enjoy in the first place, even if everyone else says it's amazingly good.

[Dexie]

http://www.the-bell-tree.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1190592258&archive=&start_f

Animal Crossing PC confirmed.

[Thalzon]

Awww, it's not Tom Nook. Bugger.

Oh well. Something's better than nothing, I guess. But what's he gonna be called? Crosser? Resident? Do you name him whatever you like?

[Dexie]

Probably something like ANIMAL CROSSER, like they had POKEMON TRAINER.

[Makai]

Mr. Smash? :P

[The Author]

Smashetti ?

[Dunther]

http://www.the-bell-tree.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1190592258&archive=&start_f

Animal Crossing PC confirmed.

I'm not surprised...I was sure of it...

[The Author]

I know tomorrow's news.

[Mastertoku]

Perhaps Villager. Or Resident. Heh, that'd be slightly ridiculous.

What would be good for the announcer to yell out?

Mario! Versus! Strange Viking-Hat Child!

[Linkjing Donuts]

blancahttp://www.ocremix.org/forums/sdfghjk

[Amayirot Akago]

FUCK. YES.

Mr Resetti for the MOTHERFUCKING WIN.

[Strike911]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!!

NOTHING BUT LECTURE FOREVER!!!!

THAT
IS
AWESOME!




I love resetti ^.^

So is he going to heckle the characters participating in the fight? Because that is ridiculously awesome!!!!11

[Amayirot Akago]

Judging from the last picture he puts them to sleep with his ranting.

[!Nekko!]

It looks like it forces the camera to zoom in real far and gradually zoom out.

[Amayirot Akago]

Could be, but most of the pictures on the site have manipulated camera angles though.

[Sir_NutS]

well another wtf moment in smash brothers' history.

[The Author]

I know tomorrow's news.

Okay... I was kinda sure that today's update would be the mentioned AC character. Maybe it was...

[Neo Samus]

Okay... I was kinda sure that today's update would be the mentioned AC character. Maybe it was...

I swear they plan this. When true bits of info start coming about they post something related to that topic.

[Airwalker]

Resetti does make a good assist trophy. I really couldn't see him as playable, as I couldn't see his other attacks, and it would be hard to employ such an amusing Resetti rant into the game if he were playable.

[MasterSenshi]

Resetti seems annoying... I never reallly got into Animal Crossing, but it's an interesting turn for the AT nonetheless.

At least we know that each new one will have a completely different effect than the last... items in SSBB seem a lot more fun than before. :D

[SirChadlyOC]

If this does what I think it does, this could be a really neat idea, in theory. I'm guessing that the battle goes on in the background despite Resetti's rant, and the camera zooming makes me think that part of the screen may not be visible. What is visible is Resetti's rant, which is simply supposed to distract the players.

I'm pretty sure I'll fall for it. Instead of watching my character or my enemies, I'll be reading the rant to see what he has to say. A very intriguing idea, indeed. It's like the Nintendogs assist trophy or the blooper's ink in Mario Kart DS, except I have the ability not to be distracted, but I'm distracted anyway. Neat.

[Eulogic]

Probably something like ANIMAL CROSSER, like they had POKEMON TRAINER.

Animal Crosser doesn't really make sense in the same way that Pokémon Trainer and Ice Climber do. I'd prefer they give him/her a name like Ai or A.C.

[Inimitable]

It's super effective!

[Linkjing Donuts]

hah, everything i've dreamed of when i was a kid: fire-hydro-solar beam-blast-pump

[Eulogic]

could've been better, but not bad

the text box makes it

[JackKieser]

Wow, that's so much awesome, I don't even know how to describe it. And, I totally agree, Eulogic, that text box makes it so very much better.

The fact that it's Super Effective? That makes it so much more demoralizing. ^ ^

--Jack Kieser

[FuriousFure]

Pokémon Trainer: Final Smash


<Pokemon Orgy>





triple team? triple penetration!

[DuskyFerret]

hah, everything i've dreamed of when i was a kid: fire-hydro-solar beam-blast-pump

Yeah, but just think... If Ivysaur was doing razorleaf in this combination, the whole thing would've changed.
The flames would've charred the leaves and the water would've put them out. So in essence, the Pokemon Trainer's Final Smash would've been a flurry of burnt soggy leaves. Not very effective!:tomatoface:

[Mastertoku]

Hmm - this is, well, pretty much what I was expecting. Delightful nonetheless. I wonder if it's aimable?

[Takashi]

You know it would seem weird seeing this hit Pikachu, Piichu, and Mewtwo

since you know none of them are weak to Fire, Grass, or Water..in fact if memory serves Pikachu is resistant to water

[Ray Falling]

"Super effective" should be the new "pwned" or whatever you internet kids say these days >_> :D

I too had a good chuckle when I read it :)

I'm loving the updates lately; nothing too spoilerific and nothing too un-interesting.

When is Smash coming out again?

[Adam_Slight]

Dec 3rd - and counting

[Airwalker]

Triple Threat? Dang, I was hoping for some amazing rare and powerful Pokemon as the final smash.

[Sir_NutS]

Nuts gets hit by Update...
It's super effective!

[Admiral_C]

..in fact if memory serves Pikachu is resistant to water

He's not... Electric beats water, but water is neutral to electric.

On topic: Can't wait for December :(

[Neo Samus]

Nuts gets hit by Update...
It's super effective!


That's gonna leave a mark. Cool update. But I'm really want to see the rest of the old cast return.

[MasterSenshi]

Wow, that's so much awesome, I don't even know how to describe it. And, I totally agree, Eulogic, that text box makes it so very much better.

The fact that it's Super Effective? That makes it so much more demoralizing. ^ ^

--Jack Kieser

Sakurai said that it isn't really super effective; look at the text box, the attack is being used on Fox. It might be interesting if suddenly they all acquired elements Pokemon style, but it's just an effect.

That said, it does look like a really cool attack. Finally something other than fire.. or a big beam... three beams! ^^

I'm going to seriously investigate the Pokemon Trainer now. :)

[Solid Krono]

So I wonder how it's going to work at the beginning of a battle with the pokemon trainer. You only fight with the pokemon right? So which pokemon comes out first? Maybe it's random unless you hold a certain button (kinda like how in melee you can start as shiek instead of zelda). Also if the switch isnt instant, which it doesnt appear to be since he recalls the pokemon out and then throws a new poke ball out into battle, it could be an interesting way to avoid attacks instead of shielding or air dodging.

[JackKieser]

Sakurai said that it isn't really super effective; look at the text box, the attack is being used on Fox. It might be interesting if suddenly they all acquired elements Pokemon style, but it's just an effect.

That said, it does look like a really cool attack. Finally something other than fire.. or a big beam... three beams! ^^

I'm going to seriously investigate the Pokemon Trainer now. :)

I know that it won't actually do more damage based on 'Super Effective-ness" (although that would totally rock); what I meant is that if that text box wasn't there, it wouldn't be nearly as demoralizing to get hit by that attack. Getting nailed by a Final Smash? That sucks. It always being 'Super Effective' on your scrawny ass? Way worse.

--Jack Kieser

[HalcyonSpirit]

Also if the switch isnt instant, which it doesnt appear to be since he recalls the pokemon out and then throws a new poke ball out into battle, it could be an interesting way to avoid attacks instead of shielding or air dodging.

Probably wouldn't be a very good tactic. If it's anything like I believe it to be, there's probably going to be a slight delay between when you hit the command to when the pokémon is recalled, during which you are vulnerable to attack.

[Ray Falling]

The Trainer's profile also says switching out too much isn't good for your Pokemon. Remember, they have stamina as well.

The order of the pokemon appearance is also in that profile. I think it always starts with Squirtle.

[BardicKnowledge]

The Trainer's profile also says switching out too much isn't good for your Pokemon.

That's only half the story. The full quote is as follows:
If you keep fighting with the same Pokémon, or if you change them out too often, it’s not so good for the Pokémon.

So, you have to know when to switch, but....not too often? Seems like either everyone will have something to learn about this, or we're making a bigger deal out of it than we should be.

[oscarjunk25]

I really want this game for nintendo wii!!


David!

[Ray Falling]

That's only half the story. The full quote is as follows:
If you keep fighting with the same Pokémon, or if you change them out too often, it’s not so good for the Pokémon.

So, you have to know when to switch, but....not too often? Seems like either everyone will have something to learn about this, or we're making a bigger deal out of it than we should be.

I know, but I meant in the context of using the switching out to avoid attacks.
Since switching out is bad for the poke's (granted that we don't know how it will affect them) I figured switching out would not be some uber dodge technique like someone might have thought. :)

[Airwalker]

Probably wouldn't be a very good tactic. If it's anything like I believe it to be, there's probably going to be a slight delay between when you hit the command to when the pokémon is recalled, during which you are vulnerable to attack.

Yeah, I'd have to imagine this would be the case. A pokemon would probably stand still for a split second while he is sent back into his ball to compensate for the split second it takes to through a new ball out.

[Strike911]

just got to say that the update last night was full of win...

I love the text !

[Linkjing Donuts]

sakurai sounds a little annoyed/pissed off/in a rush in this update

[Inimitable]

Yes, you're right. The way he says "Take advantage of its robust tourney-generating functions!" makes it really apparent.

[DuskyFerret]

sakurai sounds a little annoyed/pissed off/in a rush in this update

Yea...I love the way he has a go at people with no friends. He's going Tourney mode is good to play with friends, if you have friends, but if you don't it's okay cos you can still play...it's just much better with friends. But it's okay cos there are computers to play with, but they're not really friends are they? It's good to have friends. :-P

[Ciel]

It is a matter of public record that tournaments are more likely to function to expectation given actual participants.

[Zeklan]

Nevermind me.

[Dexie]

Looks like Zelda to me.

[Kureejii Lea]

Yeah, it's nobody new.

[Zeklan]

Oh, duh.
I see it now.
Sorry.

[Adam_Slight]

way to go for giving us a shitty update for the weekend

[MasterSenshi]

This week's updates were pretty lame. I mean... some of things were interesting, but come on. Tourney? Please... I think this is the first time I really was like "Oh come on...". I don't know reall anyone who uses the Tournament mode, granted is it cool if you have a party and no WiFi, but still, he could've just let us discover this on our own. I think it was assumed.

However, if it has WiFi (which it doesn't appear to) that would be great.

Hopefully we get 2 characters next week in the bargain.

[Adam_Slight]

or an early release

[Mr.Roboto]

Needs Moar Captain Falcon.

[Neo Samus]

Needs Moar Captain Falcon.

And Luigi, and Ness, and Ganondorf, and Falco......

Are you catching my drift Sakurai-san????

[Azul v2]

I'm thinking they will eventually reveal the tourney mode as Wi-fi as well, with a set of rankings or leaderboard. I think all the people bitching about Brawl's online haven't got a gist of what the dojo does or even read the update.

[!Nekko!]

I'm thinking they will eventually reveal the tourney mode as Wi-fi as well, with a set of rankings or leaderboard. I think all the people bitching about Brawl's online haven't got a gist of what the dojo does or even read the update.

I'm not getting my hopes up.

[megadave]

What would be some good assist trophies?

I think Epona would be a good assist trophy (whinees and runs over people). Definitely Midna if not an actual character (maybe include that other version of her too)

Oh yeah, Cranky Kong should be in there. He could beat people with his cane and tell them about his days as a young chimp and how he had to walk to school in the snow 4 miles every day.

And Mouser.

[Arek the Absolute]

What would be some good assist trophies?

I think Epona would be a good assist trophy (whinees and runs over people). Definitely Midna if not an actual character (maybe include that other version of her too)

Oh yeah, Cranky Kong should be in there. He could beat people with his cane and tell them about his days as a young chimp and how he had to walk to school in the snow 4 miles every day.

And Mouser.
two people toss out assist trophies
one gets resetti
one gets cranky

cranky vs resetti go

if only

[Dexie]

Fishing Lakitu assist: He flies around, dangling a healing item from his rod. Once someone grabs it, he starts tossing out Spinies.

[cobaltstarfire]

It'd be cool if they had a round robin tournament mode instead of just elimination rounds, or the ability to merge both types, first round robin, then the elimination rounds are set up by how each person performed in the first part. I guess it'd take longer but everyone gets to play more.

[The Author]

There is a hidden meaning in the names, I know there is one.

Just can't see it.

[The Mutericator]

He could beat people with his cane and tell them about his days as a young chimp and how he had to walk to school in the snow 4 miles every day.

Uphill both ways.

[Dexie]

Uphill both ways.

While tossing barrels down the hill at oncoming plumbers.

[Strike911]

I'm thinking they will eventually reveal the tourney mode as Wi-fi as well, with a set of rankings or leaderboard. I think all the people bitching about Brawl's online haven't got a gist of what the dojo does or even read the update.

Yes, but to be fair, and this is just an observation, Nintendo has never capitalized on any game's having a robust online mode. Never. They've had it in there for a few games, but it's always been slim pickings. I'm cool with what they have in Brawl, I loved Mario Kart DS's online, but seriously, don't get your hopes up. Online aspects of companies slowly ramp up to get features like that, and Nintendo is hesitant to do that.

Now if they prove me wrong and bring that stuff, then cool, but, honestly, I'll tell you why I don't think there will be leaderboards... firstly, there is no way of identifying a nickname, making it uniquely individual. The only thing that is unique to each player are the Friend Codes, which really, seeing a leaderboard of friendcodes is next to useless. There is no database with usernames to identify people with. Additionally, this lack of structure makes no sense to save virtually meaningless information in some database. Maybe it will save your stats to your local machine, but not online. The only way around this is if Nintendo makes a username/password system that is not friendcodes for Smash Bros Brawl, but lets face it, that isn't happening, because they've already said they're using friendcodes. Friendcodes are the worst thing to happen to Nintendo's online ideas. I have no idea why this company wouldn't just let people register a nickname and password like XboxLive or PlayStationNetwork... hell, keep the friendcodes for little kids that can't get mommy's permission to go online, but they need to give us nicknames and passwords so we can use some online functionality. XboxLive is great for what it does, but PSN is free, and still offers 1000 times more functionality than Nintendo has ever offered online. I don't get it how Sony can have a good online experience, while Nintendo refuses to come to bat.

Anyway, long story short, my opinion is that it can't happen because Nintendo's online strategy (currently) is flawed. It can't happen, because trying to create a leaderboard without unique names is nonsensical. Oh look, 1234-1234-1234 is in first place. Oh, and 1455-2346-2346 is just three wins behind. You

Tournament mode might have quick one-time rankings for the people that played offline though to show you the stats of everybody after the fact... but online? No.

[Antipode]

Nevermind me.

FEEL FREE TO LEAD OFF ANY TlME!

[MasterSenshi]

I might have some qualms about recent updates on the Dojo, but Smash looks totally awesome. I don't care if it has limited online or whatever; I enjoy smash playing with friends and fam... there's just something you can't emulate getting a person right next to you to play against, mock, scream, etc.

The online sealed the deal for me... especially after hearing Shiggy say those horrible comments about difficulty not being important in video games. I mean geez... add difficulty levels.

I may get too busy to play video games that often in the future, but for now I intend to enjoy brawl as much as possible. I love the series, and WHATEVER characters he adds, short of something completely horrible is welcome to me.

Considering how many days left, I'm sure some features will be left off; actually it would suck if they spoil everything, but a few more good spoilers wouldn't hurt too much.:razz:

[friendlyHunter]

sakurai sounds a little annoyed/pissed off/in a rush in this update

Today's update is the tourney. I need to take lots of screenshots, so I can show all the robust tourney-generating functions! I- I'll choose 32 players!!

Wow, that's a lot of matches! Better make them only one minute each, I don't have a lot of time to waste

Whirrrrrreeee... It sure is hard work creating detailed data for each entrant! I must keep going, or it will look like I don't have 31 friends!

It - it's time to begin the Tourney!

Black text on a red background??? My eyes!! It's super effective!

(10 minutes later)

I-I... I must finish the Tourney! People must see the mode determining which player stands victorious on the summit after winning many battles against many foes!

(20 minutes later)

Ooooh. It’s so dynamic!

(5 minutes later)

What is Tourney mode?! This is a fun extra mode where you can enjoy decorating things by putting stickers on them. Actually, you can also play this by yourself against computer opponents, so try it out if you’re so inclined.

[Strike911]

I particularly like how he implies playing tournament mode for more than one minute is time wasting!

*GIGGLE!*

Hehehehehehehehe.

[Antipode]

Today's update is the tourney. I need to take lots of screenshots, so I can show all the robust tourney-generating functions! I- I'll choose 32 players!!

Wow, that's a lot of matches! Better make them only one minute each, I don't have a lot of time to waste

Whirrrrrreeee... It sure is hard work creating detailed data for each entrant! I must keep going, or it will look like I don't have 31 friends!

It - it's time to begin the Tourney!

Black text on a red background??? My eyes!! It's super effective!

(10 minutes later)

I-I... I must finish the Tourney! People must see the mode determining which player stands victorious on the summit after winning many battles against many foes!

(20 minutes later)

Ooooh. It’s so dynamic!

(5 minutes later)

What is Tourney mode?! This is a fun extra mode where you can enjoy decorating things by putting stickers on them. Actually, you can also play this by yourself against computer opponents, so try it out if you’re so inclined.

Hahahaha. Very nice.

[Jam Stunna]

Rgs10168 (10:57:10 AM): Hey, what's up?
mobilisq (10:57:58 AM): not much
mobilisq (10:58:03 AM): just about to go to work
mobilisq (10:58:05 AM): you?
Rgs10168 (10:58:05 AM): nothing much, about to do some typing. Man, I think God himself doesn't want me recording any more Melee matches
mobilisq (10:58:52 AM): haha, why?
Rgs10168 (10:58:42 AM): I woke up this morning to find that our TV refuses to turn on
Rgs10168 (10:59:01 AM): My wife and I had planned to record a few today
Rgs10168 (10:59:25 AM): I suppose this is what I get for not honoring the Sabbath or kissing enough babies or something
mobilisq (11:00:28 AM): hahah

[Linkjing Donuts]

wow. i didn't use ness too much, but this makes me kinda miss him (if ness is excluded, which doesn't seem likely, since sakurai mentions him)
http://www.ocremix.org/forums/asdfghjk

[Kureejii Lea]

Wonder if people'll be disappointed in this one.

[KWarp]

Mother 3 USA plz.

[MasterSenshi]

They replaced Ness!

OK it may be 2 AM here, and they may NOT have replaced him... but they added Lucas first.

OK then. Hopefully I'm first.... otherwise cool beans, they added an Earthbound/Mother character!

[Global-Trance]

http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~wuwu/bb.jpg

You had a good run, Ness. Maybe you'll be a surprise secret character.

[MasterSenshi]

Beaten. :p

Oh well my point stands. Hopefully they'll keep Ness though... that would be sweet, although Lucas looks to have PSI Magnet...

[Effef]

MOTHER 3 USA PLZ.

Also, Kumatora better be an assist trophy or something.

[Strike911]

Neato. I wonder how this will work.

If he may surpass even Ness, I doubt they'd remove or replace Ness. We have to find out if Lucas will surpass him (whatever surpassing entails... hopefully not replacing.) Anyway, if you ask me, Sakurai just confirmed Ness is in the game through his little comment. For one to surpass another, we'd have to have a confrontation...

/my two cents

[KakTheInfected]

Well at least this means they won't be removing any characters just to cater to western audiences. There's still hope for Fire Emblem characters from older games, and with Japanese voices (as opposed to that god awful shit in the US versions...goddamnit Nintendo spend some money and hire decent VAs).

[TheCatPhysician]

ok, i've posted about this a few times and nobody ever says ANYTHING about it.

but this time, im a let it all come out. this time im a stand up and SHOUT. im a do things MY way. it's MY way. my way or the highway.

but seriously look at the fourth picture of lucas. he's pointing up at something, and kirby is actually looking at what he's pointing at. what the heck is that. they must be getting really really serious about character interaction in the game, i can't see how this kind of stuff will fit into playing the game though.

one of the other ones before was a picture where mario had stuck wario with a gooey bomb or whatever, and as he ran away from wario he actually looked back at him while running like he was taunting him. and there are a lot of other pictures like this

[Hum4n After All]

-_-
Bullshit.

[Kiyosuki]

http://www.smashbros.com/jp/characters/images/lucas/lucas_071001b-l.jpg

I knew it! I so fucking knew it!

I mean...its only logical after they revealed the badge right?

[nohero]

I guess this puts to rest the idea that no new characters would be placed on the characters page in order to keep it symmetrical.

That being said, Lucas' moves look different from Ness'. I'm gonna go with the "Ness is an unlockable character" idea.

[TheCatPhysician]

I'm gonna go with the "Ness is an unblockable character" idea.

fix'd




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80hPSrAY3hQ&mode=related&search=

[Gerbah]

Wow, that's 9 new characters so far! I wonder how many they're are gonna be? I mean, Melee had... 7 new character total (well, excluding "clones")? Plus there are still gonna be secret characters to unlock... Man, Dec. 3 honestly can not come soon enough.

Here's still hoping like nobodies business that Ness is still in (even though I like Lucas, plus I just got my copy of Mother 3 a few days ago).

[I-n-j-i-n]

They're trying to tease western gamers of any hope of Mother/Earthbound sequels. I think they are doing it on purpose.

[Kiyosuki]

I wonder if we'll see Kumatora..

...or Claus.

[Bigfoot]

Darn, I think this means Ness is gone :(

I sure hope not though.

[Ninja-san]

Loving that hair right now. Can't wait to see his attacks if their like Ness'

[Dunther]

Ness ç__ç I finished playing EarthBound some days ago...and now that I love Ness they maybe remove him :( nooo

(Hopefully, a Mother 3 fan trasnlation will arrive soon :P )

[Airwalker]

Well, they haven't yet killed off Ness for sure. And maybe this will make Mother 3 pull a Fire Emblem and get the heck over here.

[Bigfoot]

I don't know, to me "Is it possible he can surpass even Ness?!" means "Ness is gone, but will Lucas be as good as Ness?"

[Sir_NutS]

Bahahah, ness is gone. I was never fond of him anyways >=)

I hope Lucas' moveset is at least a bit different.

[Arek the Absolute]

out with the old in with the new with the old possibly being a sekrit character

if we stick with this path while adding no more FE characters that use swords we are good to go

[Bigfoot]

out with the old in with the new with the old possibly being a sekrit character

if we stick with this path while adding no more FE characters that use swords we are good to go

What if they add Poo? :P

[Scufo]

Agh, I have to stop reading these updates. With nine new characters already, there can't be too many more...

[Thalzon]

Agh, I have to stop reading these updates. With nine new characters already, there can't be too many more...

Might be 20, give or take a few. 9 new + 13 old (C. Falcon is included in this calculation) = 22 characters. If we're getting around 45, that means there's still about 23 unknowns in the mix.

[Unstable Hamster]

Ness ç__ç I finished playing EarthBound some days ago...and now that I love Ness they maybe remove him :( nooo

(Hopefully, a Mother 3 fan trasnlation will arrive soon :P )

http://mother3.fobby.net/2007/09/29/very-important-news/#more-123
These guys are working on a translation. They were gunning for a release before Brawl came out, yet it sounds like they are gonna fall short so they can polish it and fix the bugs, which I can't complain, yet I hope they don't have some massive spoilers in brawl for mother 3.

[BardicKnowledge]

Are we basically out of first party characters to use in any case? Assuming no more Pokemon, no more Kirby, and that NoJ isn't going to give me any Startropics love...

[Ralphis]

I think its pretty much impossible for them to run out of first party. I mean, they'll just bust out another Ice Climbers deal if they really have to

[ILLiterate]

First off, called it how ever many pages ago

Second, neat, going to be loving his new moves, and who says Ness can't still be in, or be a costume for Lucas?

[Bigfoot]

Ness and Lucas will be the 2nd Ice Climbers.

[Airwalker]

Might be 20, give or take a few. 9 new + 13 old (C. Falcon is included in this calculation) = 22 characters. If we're getting around 45, that means there's still about 23 unknowns in the mix.

Animal Crosser is practically a confirmed character.

[Mr.Roboto]

Maybe I'd care if Nintendo would fucking release Mother 3 here.

[Sir_NutS]

Balloon fighter, he was going to be in melee inthe first place so there's a posibility he'll be here.

Though I wish they stopped revealing characters already, and released the damn game! i don't want to know all the characters, it will ruin the surprise.

Unless they have a friggin huge cast and they're not worried about releasing so many characters.

[Bigfoot]

Maybe I'd care if Nintendo would fucking release Mother 3 here.

I'm guessing it will hopefully. Look at Fire Emblem.

[Airwalker]

This update made me e-mail Nintendo for the third time about bringing Mother 3 to the US of A! I feel it was a rather good e-mail. Feel free to use it as a template, people.

Now that Lucas, from Mother 3, is a playable character in Smash Brothers Brawl, we certainly must see Mother 3 brought to America, right? As an Earthbound fan, I have been pretty anxious at being able to play the successor. And while you're at it, please put Mother 1 into the new import section on the Virtual Console.

You can put comment down as a reminder that there is support for this zany and awesome series.

Maybe I should write a poem. But since I have no talent, I'll put it in Haiku form.

Ness and Lucas Brawl.
Where is my Mr. Saturn?
Nintendo should know.

You see, I want the game so much I made a nice poem for you. And if you make the game available, I'll even open my wallet and pay for a copy. Heck, I may get two.

Yeah, I can keep going.

I really, really want this game. Hah, here's a 20 year-old begging you, Nintendo. Ok, maybe I should handle this more adult-like...

I grew up with you by my side, Nintendo. You were always there for me. Whenever I needed to jump on a goomba, you always came through. We were together forever. And now when I ask for one little thing, you fail me? (Ok, if you count "Power glove for the Wii", that's two little things.)

Mother 3, I want you. Almost as much as a I want a good block of cheddar cheese and some of those fancy crackers you can only buy during the Christmas Season.

Please come through, Nintendo! Mother 1, Mother 3, you and me!

Sincerely,
Jared C. Miller

[Neo Samus]

That was beautiful Airwalker.

You hear that Nintendo, bring out Mother 3!!!!!!

Also I still think Nees is in Brwal. Just my two cents.

[Johnny B]

The four hidden characters from the original Smash Bros. are still hidden, and may continue to be so until December 3rd. I think it's a throwback to the N64 game that we have to unlock them all again.

"But since I have no talent, I'll put it in Haiku form."

These four shall return:
Captain Falcon, Luigi,
Ness, and Jigglypuff.

[linkspast]

"But since I have no talent, I'll put it in Haiku form."

These four shall return:
Captain Falcon, Luigi,
Ness, and Jigglypuff.
:nicework:

[AzureZeal]

They need to put back Metal Mario and his theme music back in. I'd really enjoy it.

[Broken]

Ness and Lucas will be the 2nd Ice Climbers.

Don't even joke about that.
One set of Ice Climbers is enough, lol.

Good to see some love for the Mother series. I was never really into it myself, but Ness was always fun to use.

[!Nekko!]

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9130/1191283018820gp5.jpg

[Kiyosuki]

Heh, I remember that picture.

But yeah I liked Ness too, but I'm all for the change to Lucas. At least in some form the Mother series is getting some kind of variety thrown into one of these games rather than just putting Ness in again. I loved Mother 3 and its bleaker but still distinctly Mother tone. I wouldn't mind if this was a sign that they were going to release it here after all this time.

[TheHands]

...still waiting on Falco, Game & Watch, a random Animal Crossing kiddy, and Sonic...

On the whole I'm very happy with the new additions and modes in Brawl. I think I'm going to kill my GCN controller on it.

[Bigfoot]

I really hope they're showing Lucas' moves next update.

[Moseph]

On the whole I'm very happy with the new additions and modes in Brawl. I think I'm going to kill my GCN controller on it.

Ha ha -- my family's got several GCN controllers (five, I think), and you can tell which have seen the most Melee action by the looseness of the control sticks and mushiness of the buttons. The newest of the lot is my little brother's Wavebird, but he says even that one hasn't been the same since he started trying to set Homerun Contest records with it.

[MasterSenshi]

Well I think they may keep Ness in... Sakurai has a sick sense of humor, so hopefully he's in. The implication on yesterday's post could be surpass, as in be more skilled, or surpass, as in a more direct conflictual way.

Either way, if they keep adding new characters and have Ness and Jigglypuff I'd be happy.

Well, just Ness, but all the other regulars (except pichu, mewtwo and dr. mario) would be sweet.

I think I'm switching my opinion each day about Brawl, to the degree of how much awesomeness it will have...

[Strike911]

Ha ha -- my family's got several GCN controllers (five, I think), and you can tell which have seen the most Melee action by the looseness of the control sticks and mushiness of the buttons. The newest of the lot is my little brother's Wavebird, but he says even that one hasn't been the same since he started trying to set Homerun Contest records with it.

Are there any places selling new Wavebirds cheap? You know, retailers that haven't realized WaveBirds aren't obsolete yet. I know WalMart was selling corded GCN controllers pretty cheap...

My Cube controllers are screwed, blued, and tatoo'd from close to 6 years of nonstop smash bros playing... DAMN MUSHY BUTTONS! GRAWR!

[Takashi]

Betya money next updates going to be Ness just because they like to screw with us

kinda like how they did with Zero Suit Samus when everyone OMGWTFD on Samus's Final Smash everyone thinking Zero Suit is just a crappy Samus then next day they show that she isnt

so right now Lucas appears and people think they dropped Ness so today they will show Ness is indeed still in the game and is awesome

[Mastertoku]

HAH! Snake wants to eat a Yoshi!

Ugh... and the last conversation about Wario is almost embarrassing...

Incidentally, I wonder what the final rating of this game's going to be? I'm thinking T (as with Melee) - after all, today's update does contain "suggestive themes", as it were...

[Inimitable]

Every one of these videos were amazing. Every one.

[Takashi]

Ok its not Ness but it defintly works quite well might add

[Eulogic]

Snake being in Brawl is just a very elaborate hoax.

[Global-Trance]

Every one of these videos were amazing. Every one.

I wholeheartedly agree. Lots of LOLs.

[DuskyFerret]

HAH! Snake wants to eat a Yoshi!

No no, I think you misinterpreted this. Lemme type out the convo and then we'll see what he really meant

Snake: It lays eggs right? ...then it must be a female.
Otacon: ...Actually it's a 'he'. At least, that's what it says.
***
Snake: Now you've gotten me curious... How about I capture one so we can see what they taste like?
Otacon: Uhh....Snake

YES SNAKE UHH INDEED
I'm not implying anything...I'm just putting it out there if you know what I mean....:nicework:

[Wipomatic]

Haha, what the fuck, I was wondering what you were talking about other videos because I could only see one, and then I checked the US site instead of the UK site. I sure love how even on the internet, they try and fuck Europe over.

[Antipode]

Bahahaha the Wario one is hilarious. I love how they're talking all serious about this.

[Kiyosuki]

Stage just totally fucking delivered.

[TheCatPhysician]

God bless us. Every one.

so did anyone see snake like, kill mario? he snapped his neck or whatever then laid him on the ground. what happens next? is that his down throw?

also you can see him use his bubble shield

and what the hegg is the box for

mario pulls it off and snakes just sittin there like sup

man this is too much to think about, i need more info

[JackKieser]

Oh my god... I just came. A lot. All over my keyboard. For serious, Sakurai is both a saint (for giving us amazing info like this, and for going though the time and effort to get all those voice actors to contribute extra material to the game) and a total bastard (for not having the game out this very moment.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go watch those videos again. Orgasm time!

--Jack Kieser

[Raziellink]

Is it pure coincedence that my music player just started the Metal Gear Solid theme?





I think not.

[Drack]

Awesome update.

[Ray Falling]

I still think Sakurai is secretly lurking on the OCR boards >_>. You guys have had a looot of wishes come true :)

Anyway, since I'm on very crappy internet at work, I will have to wait 7 hours before I can actually watch these things.

Everything looks fantastic though. I especially appreciate the stage, what with the walls and all.

:) Good times

[Kiyosuki]

Its so fun thinking of what the Codec transmissions for the other characters are going to be. And I really want to hear the rest of that awesome MGS remix song.


You know what else this may hint too? It may hint that the individual character intros (like from the first game) could be back possibly. I hope so, those were cool.

[Strike911]

OH MY GOD, I'M TOTALLY FANBOYING ALL OVER THE PLACe....


THIS UPDATE IS THE MOST AWESOME THING EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Campbell! Mei Ling! Otacon! They're all there! AND THE METAL GEARS! ZOMG!!!!111

AND THEY TALK ABOUT SMASH! It's my dream come true.

Smash and MGS are my most favorite games ever and I'm having a splooge moment like right now.... awesome... just so awesome...

<3

[JackKieser]

Hahahaha! The Samus video didn't load the first time I saw the site; I'm so glad I watched those videos again...

Snake totally wants to bone Samus. More than he wants to bone Yoshi.

"Mei Ling! Samus took her clothes off!" Priceless.

--Jack Kieser

[Kiyosuki]

I just realized that the "fight" between Snake and Mario eventually ends with Snake breaking Mario's neck. lol

Its surreal to say the least.

[nookster]

Are we basically out of first party characters to use in any case? Assuming no more Pokemon, no more Kirby, and that NoJ isn't going to give me any Startropics love...

Why is everybody forgetting captain Olimar? He's not even obscure. I think (hope) he's pretty much certain. Am I missing some piece of info?

[Arek the Absolute]

hmm.....
mixed opinions
david hayter or some wanna be?

[Dunther]

Orgasm time!
Yeah, great update!

[Thalzon]

Why is everybody forgetting captain Olimar? He's not even obscure. I think (hope) he's pretty much certain. Am I missing some piece of info?

Pikmin, Balloon Fight, Animal Crossing, Clu Clu Land, Legend of Stafy (Starfy, Stafi, whatever), Balloon Fighter, and Chalvo are all still possibilities! (Well, maybe not Chalvo.)

[supremespleen]

Holy crap best update ever.

[The Mutericator]

hmm.....
mixed opinions
david hayter or some wanna be?

If you mean Snake's VA, it's him. He actually confirmed in an interview that he's already recorded everything for the game.

[Dexie]

Pikmin, Balloon Fight, Animal Crossing, Clu Clu Land, Legend of Stafy (Starfy, Stafi, whatever), Balloon Fighter, and Chalvo are all still possibilities! (Well, maybe not Chalvo.)

Punch Out.

[The Mutericator]

If you mean Snake's VA, it's him. He actually confirmed in an interview that he's already recorded everything for the game.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/02/see-snake-hear-hayter-in-super-smash-bros-brawl/

Theeeere we go.

[Sir_NutS]

It's David Hayter, he confirmed it already.

But damn would somebody please upload the movies somewhere else, I can't watch them no matter how many times I click them =(

[anthonium]

Haha that's the funniest update I've seen. The videos do work but you just have to click on them over and over til they finally load.

[Bigfoot]

It's David Hayter, he confirmed it already.

But damn would somebody please upload the movies somewhere else, I can't watch them no matter how many times I click them =(

http://www.gametrailers.com

I love the opening body slam Snake does on Mario, haha.

[Mr.Roboto]

http://www.gametrailers.com

I love the opening body slam Snake does on Mario, haha.

Thats a suplex.

[Triad Orion]

"I bet if I take off all this heavy gear I could keep up..."

Yeah. He totally wants Samus. XD

[Miletus]

http://www.gametrailers.com

I love the opening body slam Snake does on Mario, haha.

Cool that can display the trailer okay but not those 'snake on samus' et al movies. Anyone know where else to find them?

[MasterSenshi]

Snake looks awesome. I thought he would be, faster maybe, but I'm certainly going to enjoy using him. I wonder when the message boxes come up? Maybe it's one of his moves, although that wouldn't seem very useful once characters get advanced.

OK, now we just need another character update for Wednesday!

[Hum4n After All]

"I bet if I take off all this heavy gear I could keep up..."

Yeah. He totally wants Samus. XD

Haha.

"Her loss."

[MasterSenshi]

I'm sorta getting tired of all the sexual innuendo surrounding this game... Samus was the original kick-ass female. It was cool because she WAS so unapproachable, and the suit was built for a pretty built person. It's lame how they dropped to the lowest common denominator with the zero suit.

At least the tone of the game won't be sleazy, unlike some of the discussions I've seen on game sites have been.

[Admiral_C]

I'm sorta getting tired of all the sexual innuendo surrounding this game...

Ya ... they were this close to calling it "Smash Brothers: ORGY!"

[Moseph]

It lays eggs and throws them, right? ... Then it must be female.

As far as I know, this is the first time Nintendo has acknowledged that a male Yoshi laying eggs is, in fact, a bit weird.

[TheHands]

I want a Yoshi-Kebob now. I'll definitely help him catch the little bastard.

[Bigfoot]

Well, maybe there would be a female Yoshi if Yoshi wouldn't destroy all of his eggs every time he pops one out.

What a jerk.

[Baleshadow]

I'm glad to see Snake's punch-punch-kick combo again. Classic. He looks like he'll be a blast to play.

I am curious as to how those conversations get implemented during a fight.

[!Nekko!]

Yoshi is for abortion.

[Neo Samus]

That was one of the funniest updates I have ever seen.

MasterSenshi: There has always been a bit of sexual innuendo with Samus ever since the first Metroid on the NES. Snake just makes it much more apparent. LOL!!

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

Pikmin, Balloon Fight, Animal Crossing, Clu Clu Land, Legend of Stafy (Starfy, Stafi, whatever), Balloon Fighter, and Chalvo are all still possibilities! (Well, maybe not Chalvo.)

Custom Robo is too good a fit to be ignored, Baten Kaitos is now a second-party series because Nintendo majority owns both the BK rights and Monolith, Chibi Robo could work if they ignore size rules (possible), and depending on how much rights Nintendo has to the games, Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents could be considered usable without being third party. Oh, and Golden Sun.

There's no lack of sourses to draw non-third party characters from.

[Yoshi3gg]

Ohhhhh my god, that was the best update ever. Absolutely hilarious, through and through.

[shikigami]

Well, maybe there would be a female Yoshi if Yoshi wouldn't destroy all of his eggs every time he pops one out.

well maybe its just his way of masturbating. and whats wrong with male yoshis laying eggs? havent any of you seen jurassic park?

[TheHands]

I think it's likely that Captain Olimar would be in Brawl... if he weren't the size of a quarter. It makes me sad, I wanted to see him in there.

I'd love to see Dedede in there as well, come to think of it. Even if they just wanted to clone Kirby, skin him differently, and give him the Falco makeover, it would be more than doable.

[cobaltstarfire]

I think maybe snake wants to see what the eggs taste like not the yoshi. :p


I don't really think Yoshis eggs are any different from unfertilized chicken eggs either, so anything he's just popped out probably wouldn't hatch anyway.

[Kiyosuki]

Mmmm no I'm pretty sure he meant he wanted to eat Yoshi him/herself.

At least thats the intended meaning...

[Global-Trance]

Apparently one other kind appears, too. It’s supposedly a slightly newer model.

I wonder if the smaller MGS4 models appear! :)

[TheCatPhysician]

i pulled of the awesomest jiggly combo on contricity's marth the other day

this was right after i saw his dash-grab coming so i just crouched under it and punished with a rest (really fun to do)

anyways right after he came back from that rest, from 0% i did a full hop rising forward air to falling up air (same jump), the upair combos right into up tilt (this part requires an l cancel for you anti-tourneyfags lol), then up air, second jump, REST. OH HO HO. it was so awesome i had to jump up, throw my controller down and dance around

[Kiyosuki]

I wonder if the smaller MGS4 models appear! :)


Judging by the fact they don't want to show it, its probably one we haven't seen yet. I doubt those Gekkos are going to be the "big ones" of MGS4.

[Infinity's End]

I'm sorta getting tired of all the sexual innuendo surrounding this game... Samus was the original kick-ass female. It was cool because she WAS so unapproachable, and the suit was built for a pretty built person. It's lame how they dropped to the lowest common denominator with the zero suit.

At least the tone of the game won't be sleazy, unlike some of the discussions I've seen on game sites have been.

I think your claim is HIGHLY exaggerated and pretty much unsubstantiated. Samus has ALWAYS been Nintendo's "sexy girl" as can be seen since the ending of Metroid 2. The Zero-Suit is especially hot because it's skin-tight, basically letting her run around naked and not be naked at the same time. (yeah the fan service is rampant) But you can't have Snake without having sexual innuendo. It's not like all the girls in the game are gonna start running around in their bikinis and flashing people to make them die ala B. Orchid's finishing move. :P

[I-n-j-i-n]

Female sexuality is just like male masculinity. Get over it.

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

I think it's likely that Captain Olimar would be in Brawl... if he weren't the size of a quarter. It makes me sad, I wanted to see him in there.

Bowser is usually five times the size of Mario, and actually, if I remember correctly, canoically Kirby is EXTREMELY small. Size doesn't really matter in Smash, at least, size that they are seperately from eachother. That's why I think Chibi Robo could make it in.

[Kureejii Lea]

I am curious as to how those conversations get implemented during a fight.

I was thinking probably similar to the way the Star Fox team convos were in SSBM (during Fox/Falco's second taunt).

[Eulogic]

I'm thinking they will appear before Snake's single-player matches.

It looks like Snake has a detonator toward the beginning of the gameplay part of the video. Perhaps he has a C4 move?

[Hum4n After All]

The music is fantastic.
I never noticed it earlier because I was just too excited.
That better be the main song of Shadow Moses Island.
I would absolutely "shoot" my leg if it was.

[friendlyHunter]

The music is fantastic.
I never noticed it earlier because I was just too excited.
That better be the main song of Shadow Moses Island.
I would absolutely "shoot" my leg if it was.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music08.html
EVERY song is the main song! =D
Now get shootin'!


The first video made my laugh, because I knew someone who didn't know who Mario was - explaining to someone who Mario is is a little awkward. But she does know now, so maybe that doesn't count? =p


So I watched the gameplay video frame-by-frame (HEY, it only takes a couple minutes!), and noticed some things.
- Yes, that's almost definitely a detonator Snake's using at the start.
- Wario eats a grenade, and then proceeds to grow twice his size before returning completely to normal. (er, whatever "normal" is for Wario)
- This happens twice: one character uses a shield, gets hit, and then the shield is gone... did they let go of the shield button in favour of making a nice action video, or are the shields only good for one hit? If I felt like looking at it longer I could maybe figure it out...
- Some of Snake's attack animations are incredible in slow motion, very lifelike
- It seems when a character is grabbed, a big twirly circle thing appears. I'm all for nice visual cues like that =]
- Mario's neck is broken, but he still manages to keep his hat on. Impressive.

[MasterSenshi]

I think your claim is HIGHLY exaggerated and pretty much unsubstantiated. Samus has ALWAYS been Nintendo's "sexy girl" as can be seen since the ending of Metroid 2. The Zero-Suit is especially hot because it's skin-tight, basically letting her run around naked and not be naked at the same time. (yeah the fan service is rampant) But you can't have Snake without having sexual innuendo. It's not like all the girls in the game are gonna start running around in their bikinis and flashing people to make them die ala B. Orchid's finishing move. :P

I didn't know a single person who beat Metroid fast enough to acheive that... you'd be in your 30s to have the skills to pull that off. And it was a single scene. Through the first few Metroid games there was a common misconception Samus was MALE.

If you're old enough to have played it in the 80s or early 90s I'll concede that we probably grew up in totally different areas. But regardless one scene is not an entire game. And where did Soul Calibur turn into Metroid?

I'll make it as clear as day: since the mid-90s girls in games have been either oversexed, or very chibi-ish. The companies are playing to the lowest common denominator, and it's sad. You might have some capitallistic reasoning for all this nonsense, but that doesn't make it any less appalling.

[Admiral_C]

I didn't know a single person who beat Metroid fast enough to acheive that... you'd be in your 30s to have the skills to pull that off.


WTF?

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[MasterSenshi]

Female sexuality is just like male masculinity. Get over it.

I have to look at an ever-decaying society each week. It would be impossible for me to get over it, when I study this stuff in school. It's really, really sad how numb people are, when, sexuality is equated with 'maturity' when it's just some adolescent yearning to play with an imaginary character.

Why is it that we can't have any dignity in our culture anymore? Yeah, I've seen women before. I happen to think women are one of the greatest thing on this planet. This does not however transfer into an acceptance of any overweening female or male masculinity.

We have games advocating mass murder, theft, arson, promiscuity, terrorism, games that endorse having sex with as many girls as possible, blowing up anyone in your way, etc. I've played some of these games, but I didn't fully realize the destructive impact it has when you watch over and over again somebody being slaughtered, and you enjoy it.

I'm not Jack Thompson, or one of these psycho legislators. I've played video games almost my entire freaking life. I used to be totally in love with them. But video games is a media of art and entertainment. Society shapes it, and rather than being proactive, game makers layed down and gave in to the same crap the movie industry did. Whatever twisted crap sells, we will make.

From a fiscal prospective, that may be fine. But ethically, socially and psychologically I can attest, as well as several other gamers I know, that shooting people in the head, blowing them, and doing other acts numbs you. I'm an adult now, and I'm not going to argue for stuff so I can stay up late and play the newest game. I don't need to anymore.

But I'm also not going to go and advocate for the same social engineering that's made people flee from marriage and has our society in an identity crisis.

And what does this have to do with Smash Bros.? Conditioning. If someone can show me another prominent woman in a game (regardless of it's violence) that doesn't look like a bimbo, or available, I'll concede that. I'm not even suggesting people don't have the right to do this; but what you have a right to do and what is good for society is usually a set of different things. Video game characters lack sexuality, and even speculating whether A.I. could model human sexuality is moot for quite a while, so that doesn't factor in either. What does factor in is, whether we just see people as hollow, one-dimensional vessels for our desires or not, and in a small way, I see this Zero Suit crap as adding fuel to the fire that's separating our country and planet apart.

[Ralphis]

I see this Zero Suit crap as adding fuel to the fire that's separating our country and planet apart.

Separating it apart, yes. Although since the dawn of man this has been the natural order. The world as we know it is on the brink of destruction because Samus now flaunts her ripe breasts.

[Triad Orion]

Normally I don't stick my head into these kinds of debates, but I heavily disagree with you on the point of "numbness." Most studies have indicated that violence in videogames does not numb a person to actual violence. Most studies show it as a viable release of aggression and is ultimately more healthy than not.

Also, in some cases, sensitivity to violence may actually INCREASE as a result of playing video games extensively.



As for the rest of your argument, I don't wish to sound judgmental or offensive, but I think you're being a little over the top with your assessment. Clearly, society is *not* falling apart, as we have not and will not fall into anarchy because video games create stereotypes of women and men or, in theory, causing us to become more prone to violence. Every major form of media in the twentieth century has been criticizied as "destroying society" and "traditional values", but society has clearly held on and the family unit still exists. Literature, Radio, Movies, Comic Books, Television, Rock-and-Roll, heavy metal music, rap, revealing clothing... they've all been accused of similar things you're accusing video games of doing... yet Western society remains intact, and these once criticized and attacked media have all become accepted into open modern society.

Video Games are no different than any of those. They are a viable form of free speech, just like television, music, radio, and print. And as for what messages they send? Hell, look at R-Rated movies. These don't catch flak, and they're arguably worse than games like GTA. Yeah, the game may endorse a sleazy concept, but... if you censor that, why not censor the book or TV show that references similar content? It's a dangerous thing to deal with.

As for "responsibility", the responsibility lies not only with the makers, but the buyers as well. GTA is a series that you must purchase; if you do your research, you know what you are getting into. Any responisble person should do that to begin with. And it's not like video games are being force-fed to society; they're willingly accepted, and purchased. The buyer assumes responsbility that they have some idea what they're getting into, and the maker's responsibility is to put information out there about it so buyers make informed decisions.

Truthfully, I don't see why this degrades society. Violence and sex are socially accepted as it stands anyway. Sex has been for decades, and Violence for centuries. I don't feel as though any of this stuff in video games is anything new; hence why I believe your argument is a bit over the top and extreme.

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

What does factor in is, whether we just see people as hollow, one-dimensional vessels for our desires or not, and in a small way, I see this Zero Suit crap as adding fuel to the fire that's separating our country and planet apart.

The reactionary bullshit about Zero Suit Samus is such a steaming pile. It's a jumpsuit. You see EVERYONE in them in science fiction, and it's not always inherently sexual. Is it skintight? Why yes, jumpsuits usually are. But I can tell you that Snake is showing off more well-toned ass than Samus here.

A better question is whether or not our ability to not see 'THE SEXUAL CORRUPTION' in every little thing says anything about whether or not it's us ourselves who have issues. Do you also get angry about densitisation to sexuality when you see an olympic swimmer in a swimsuit? Those things hug curves when wet, afterall. How about gymist outfits, those are clearly signs that our world is falling apart, right?

For the record, go play Fire Emblem. Filled with women, and I can think of maybe one out of every 30 or 40 that's designed to be inherently sexual.

Edit: Goddamn you Triad. You and your intellectual replies. Make me look like a dick... </grumble>

[Triad Orion]

For the record, go play Fire Emblem. Filled with women, and I can think of maybe one out of every 30 or 40 that's designed to be inherently sexual.

Not only that, but most of them are designed to be positive female role models. Most female FE characters are unusually strong women given the medieval setting in which the games take place. Lyndis from Blazing Sword immediately comes to mind.

EDIT:
You still make your point markedly well, Vyse.

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

Not only that, but most of them are designed to be positive female role models. Most female FE characters are unusually strong women given the medieval setting in which the games take place. Lyndis from Blazing Sword immediately comes to mind.

It's one of the reasons I love Fire Emblem. I can't think of a single other series which manages to encompase so many different kinds of characters into a single game, rather than relying on a bunch of meathead bloodthirsty males and scantily clad women, or all girlyboys and extremely manly females. It just seems like a bunch of different-view people, rather than the cut and dry stereotypes, yanno? So it's easy to shrug off the occassional 'sexual' female as someone who, just like real life, sometimes just makes a concious choice to be that way.

I'm a bit of a fanboy, if you couldn't tell, heh.

[DjSammyG]

I'm not sure Samus would appreciate you implying that she's a bimbo.

[Triad Orion]

It's one of the reasons I love Fire Emblem. I can't think of a single other series which manages to encompase so many different kinds of characters into a single game, rather than relying on a bunch of meathead bloodthirsty males and scantily clad women, or all girlyboys and extremely manly females. It just seems like a bunch of different-view people, rather than the cut and dry stereotypes, yanno? So it's easy to shrug off the occassional 'sexual' female as someone who, just like real life, sometimes just makes a concious choice to be that way.

I'm a bit of a fanboy, if you couldn't tell, heh.

Can't blame you at all. That's one of the reasons I grew to love the Fire Emblem series as well. A wide range of characters ranging from your quintessential good guys (Eliwood, Seth, Kent), to the much more flawed, less than pleasant, roguish fellows (Shinon, Soren, Legault, Rennac). Not to mention the largely positive portrayal of women in the universes. Selena is a major general of a nation, Vaida is a vicious warrior with a strong will, and Titania as a knight with a lot of courage and great fighting ability. And that's just naming a few. Great series that.

Hope it gets more representation in Brawl. ...Hopefully Hector will be playable.

[MasterSenshi]

OK...

The last few posts agree with my two posts in spirit, and yet they're being conveyed as disagreement? Anyway...

I never stated that things should be censored. Actually I stated I don't advocate censorship, what I'm against is people treating this as if it has no effect on individuals. One of the reasons I classed video games with movies is because there has been an effect shown in other media, especially television. Although there have been inconclusive findings on different video games studies, one of the reasons why I added in video games compared with older forms of media is because of the cumulative effect.

My use of the term societal breakdown was apparently too cliched. To be more specific I'm referring to behaviors that aggravate the distance and anomie present in modern day society. I could go back 2 centuries to show a slow development of it, based on researchers superior to myself, but I'm more concerned with what's happening today. Regardless of what a study shows, it should be obvious that what you observe effects your thinking and biases. That is substantiated in research. I won't say that video games will have a greater or lesser effect, but it seems naive that so many of these studies conclude there must be no effect at all. I don't want to be trite, but a rejected null hypothesis doesn't prove that.

Samus is an image, code, drawing, etc. My main point is that we're allowing people to treat individuals and relationships as cheap and petty, and this is manifested through media. It was pretty implicit because I stated more or less art follows life. However that doesn't mean every vendor has to follow trends that glorify destructive behavior. I don't want any media outlawed, but I don't want this applauded either, and I'm seeing plenty of applause on the internet for a contiuation of the trend of sexualized video games.

And yes, FE is cool for those reasons as well as an awesome plot and battle system.

[Triad Orion]

OK...

The last few posts agree with my two posts in spirit, and yet they're being conveyed as disagreement? Anyway...

I never stated that things should be censored. Actually I stated I don't advocate censorship, what I'm against is people treating this as if it has no effect on individuals. One of the reasons I classed video games with movies is because there has been an effect shown in other media, especially television. Although there have been inconclusive findings on different video games studies, one of the reasons why I added in video games compared with older forms of media is because of the cumulative effect.

My use of the term societal breakdown was apparently too cliched. To be more specific I'm referring to behaviors that aggravate the distance and anomie present in modern day society. I could go back 2 centuries to show a slow development of it, based on researchers superior to myself, but I'm more concerned with what's happening today. Regardless of what a study shows, it should be obvious that what you observe effects your thinking and biases. That is substantiated in research. I won't say that video games will have a greater or lesser effect, but it seems naive that so many of these studies conclude there must be no effect at all. I don't want to be trite, but a rejected null hypothesis doesn't prove that.

Samus is an image, code, drawing, etc. My main point is that we're allowing people to treat individuals and relationships as cheap and petty, and this is manifested through media. It was pretty implicit because I stated more or less art follows life. However that doesn't mean every vendor has to follow trends that glorify destructive behavior. I don't want any media outlawed, but I don't want this applauded either, and I'm seeing plenty of applause on the internet for a contiuation of the trend of sexualized video games.

And yes, FE is cool for those reasons as well as an awesome plot and battle system.

Ah, your argument's becoming clearer now.

The problem is, I don't really know if a cumilative effect really applies to this matter. Perhaps it does, but I believe you can make the argument that people can differentiate media forms and filter the images/messages as appropriate. In this case, video games are a tactile, active sensation as opposed to a passive one like television. While one could make the argument that such sensations would encourage violence, I'd suggest that active participation in video games actually acts as an effective release for aggression. Now, that does not actively apply to sexuality, but that's another matter.

The sexuality issue is more complex. Samus may very well be drawings, code, and computerized graphics. But she really isn't any different in that regard than old comic books, pin-up posters, or pictures of models in general. Really, any visual representation of "ideal" sexuality falls under the same umbrella. Again, if this is a problem, it's certainly not new. Part of the reason why the sexualized image of women is popular is because sex is not a taboo anymore; people can more willingly demand it, and at this point there's nothing really wrong with that. Moreover, part of the reason why you see the calls for it... is well, because it's the Internet. A source of anonymonity and open forum.

At this point, I pose the question... just how destructive is open sexuality in media? I'd say it's not really all that destructive at all. Most people are capable of discerning fiction from fact; and while there are many men out there who would say "Samus is hot," there are probably very few mature individuals who would mistake her for an actual, physically real woman. So... really, I don't think that Samus's Zero-Suit cheapens most relationships or individiual women for that reason.

And you're right, not every vendor HAS to follow the trend of sexuality, but... when the market speaks, the vendor is usually obliged to deliver what's demanded to remain competitive. And with sexuality being demanded, that's what sells.

I understand your frustration with the issue, however. Though I don't see it as a crisis or a problem, I do understand your view to some extent.

[!Nekko!]

Whatever, as long as Captain Falcon is there

[JackKieser]

You know, I'm going to sound like a dick for a second, but hear me out.

It is my personal opinion that women are WAY too overplayed in this day and age. Kids too, but that's another topic all together. If you search 'Bill Maher on Feminism', you'll see him explain it better than I ever could. Basically, the way I see it is, gaming is a typically male-run industry. Here at DigiPen, only about 8% of our entire student body is female. About 70-80% of those students aren't even IN the CS department. So you know what? Yeah, games are going to put women in overtly sexual roles (and, for the record, yeah, ZSS is sexualized. Look at all that breast, all that breast inside that shirt.), because we, as men, want to bone women. It's in our nature.

But somehow, we're bad people. You know what, if women don't like it so much, they should be making games. (Yes, I DO think this is a good idea, and yes, this is a challenge) You know what, all this moralistic crap is a front for simply not liking what is around; people use morals as an excuse for wanting the world around them to change. MasterSenshi, I have to say, I respect you more than the average because you have already stated that if you don't like it, you simply won't buy it, which ultimately is the point; if you don't like what's on TV, change the channel.

Now, that said, yes, as an art and a medium of entertainment, we do have an effect on society. This is something we should exploit, however. You know why we have douchebags like JT? Because society is still full of people who think like they are in the stone age, people who don't have the ability to view another's beliefs as valid yet not adopt the view themselves. I say, bring on the ass. Bring on the tits. Bring on the violence, bring on the destruction, bring on the emotion, bring on the art. I don't believe we are having an 'identity crisis'. I think we are having a free thought crisis; all of these free ideas are coming from every angle, and we don't know how to handle that anymore.

And as for glorifying certain behaviors... we are humans. Let's get that out of the way; we are destructive by nature. All society does is try to curb that tendency. Of course our entertainment is going to glorify that behavior: entertainment is the only outlet society HAS for that behavior.

In short: women are overrated, and can be used and have their feelings hurt just like guys can; the more radical the ideas shown by media, the better; it is in our nature to be messed up, so we should deal with it correctly instead of trying to suppress it at every turn, cause that is dangerous.

--Jack Kieser

EDIT: Oh, and fuck yeah to ExciteBike. Way to go, again, Sakurai.

[Linkjing Donuts]

ahaha i like how sakurai didn't feel like lakitu and spinys didn't deserve to get their own post

[Global-Trance]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist09/assist09_071003a.jpg

I knew Excitebike would join the fun in some form or another!

[Arek the Absolute]

women are so cliche
cliches are cliche

pixel art is cliche
doesnt mean i dont like it


also i am so going to make a new thread for this game when it comes out cause yeehaw this threads a new one bad but not right now cause the game isnt out and it also needs a new one cause you know the thread creator is banned and all and no baha you will not "thread get" one up me D:

[Amayirot Akago]

Double Assist Trophy update! Pixelized Excitebike and Lakitu :-D

EDIT: Darn it, you guys beat me to it.