Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Strike911]

wow! I really dig the pixel assist trophies. That's really hot!

[Takashi]

hopefully it will keep the 8 bit motorcycle sounds :D

[!Nekko!]

neat!!!!!!!!!

[Amayirot Akago]

hopefully it will keep the 8 bit motorcycle sounds :DNo doubt of that, seeing how Nintendo loves their classics.

[NOIZROCX]

I just read today that Lucas from Mother 3 (what would have been Earthbound 64) is going to be an unlockable in SSBB. Freaking sweet. Anyone else play Mother 3?

[Mastertoku]

I just had another listen to the Mario voice clips from the Snake trailer...

Forgive me, but... does Charles Martinet sound older?...

[I-n-j-i-n]

I have to look at an ever-decaying society each week. It would be impossible for me to get over it, when I study this stuff in school. It's really, really sad how numb people are, when, sexuality is equated with 'maturity' when it's just some adolescent yearning to play with an imaginary character.

Again, what is so different from a woman trying to appear sexy compared to the typical men consciously or subconsciously trying to be masculine? Games merely do that more outwardly and if someone is to be actually affected by that, that means they're complete, utter dolts. We have those types everywhere, not just for gaming audiences.

games that endorse having sex with as many girls as possible, blowing up anyone in your way, etc. I've played some of these games, but I didn't fully realize the destructive impact it has when you watch over and over again somebody being slaughtered, and you enjoy it.

I don't think that's it. If you make realistic slaughter or really mean/hideous aspects into games, people notice. That's why in war games, you fight something like Nazis or aliens or zombies all the time. Even in eroge (hentai/porn games), they're now mostly about storytelling than the simple act of sexual promiscuity nowadays. Even PORN games have evolved that much.

Society shapes it, and rather than being proactive, game makers layed down and gave in to the same crap the movie industry did. Whatever twisted crap sells, we will make.

I disagree. If games are horrible, they usually don't sell well. There's always the quick-buck titles and catch-all sequelitis of the mediums, but that happens. There's always the shallower aspects across all media. Singling one out is not very convincing.

But I'm also not going to go and advocate for the same social engineering that's made people flee from marriage and has our society in an identity crisis.

Empowerment and the widening of choices confuses everyone. It's natural. Life literally used to be simpler in the past. We merely have more choices careerwise, sexuality wise, marriage-wise, etc. I agree traditional values have deteriorated, but I can argue that it's merely a change. Not a total destruction of society.

And what does this have to do with Smash Bros.? Conditioning. If someone can show me another prominent woman in a game (regardless of it's violence) that doesn't look like a bimbo, or available, I'll concede that. I'm not even suggesting people don't have the right to do this; but what you have a right to do and what is good for society is usually a set of different things. Video game characters lack sexuality, and even speculating whether A.I. could model human sexuality is moot for quite a while, so that doesn't factor in either. What does factor in is, whether we just see people as hollow, one-dimensional vessels for our desires or not, and in a small way, I see this Zero Suit crap as adding fuel to the fire that's separating our country and planet apart.

We do that with males too. Mario is a laughable Italian stereotype and we love him for it. Snake is a veritable icon of manly sexuality (I guess some guys can't notice that from the getgo because of the action game aspect itself). Dante is basically a fangirl-bait if you think about it.

So a sexy girl is a bimbo while the sexy guy is just cool? That is plain sexist. Now I'd agree if we're talking about the Guy Game or some exploitation videogame that actually portrays women as skanks, but most games with the mass-market-appeal sexuality? They're harmless.

Completely and utterly harmless. In fact, I know most girls really don't give a shit about all this perceived sexuality against women. That argument is a steaming pile of double faced cliche.

[Gerbah]

I just read today that Lucas from Mother 3 (what would have been Earthbound 64) is going to be an unlockable in SSBB. Freaking sweet. Anyone else play Mother 3?
Well, if you haven't seen the update that is on Smash Bros Dojo now that is Lucas, then you should check out the characters page! If you have, well, I don't think he's unlockable, looks like he's a standard character to me. Also, I'm playing Mother 3 (which I've said a few times by now I think, I'm like a broken record here), and it's an excellent game it is-it is!

Apparently this thread has drifted into the portrayal of women and video-games? Yeah, I definitely agree it is quite shallow, there are a lot of games that use it as a focus point (i.e., a LOT of fighting games), which is quite shameful in my opinion. But it seems to me the less "sexualized" characters have more personality. Some of my favorites being Tron from the Megaman Legends series (she seems rather normal) and Jade from Beyond Good & Evil (compared to a lot of other characters, yes, she's pretty normal). Honestly, don't know why I'm continuing this discussion, but I suppose I should just throw my two-cents in.

[Brushfire]

The wait for this is hard to belive. The Shadow Moses stage, complete with the Metal Gears is gonna be awesome. Also the pixelated Assist Trophies area grand and novel idea.

[BardicKnowledge]

The updates continue to impress me -- this game can't come out soon enough! The new videos aren't working for me yet though... :-x

In any case, my contribution to the debate comes in the form of a list of female characters that aren't oversexualized:

Jade -- Beyond Good and Evil
Claire Redfield -- Resident Evil
Princess Zelda -- especially in OoT, but all of them
The Fey Clan from Phoenix Wright -- the PW trilogy (in game 3, there is one reference to Mia's sexuality / good looks)
Charlotte Aulin -- Castlevania PoR
Jan Ors -- Jedi Knight II
Jenna -- Golden Sun: TLA
Olga -- MGS2
Meryl -- MGS1. Despite the fact that Snake makes something of her looks, she is the exact opposite of a typical VG female
Yuna -- FFX original only...admittedly, they _did_ oversexualize her for the sequel.

Note that avoiding "oversexualized" doesn't mean they have to look ugly or unusual -- my criteria is twofold: First, sexuality can't be their defining characteristic. Second, realistic proportions -- the Lara Croft / Dead or Alive concept of what a woman should be _is_ outdated. Also, I realize that this list isn't nearly as large as the list of games where women _are_ basically just sexual objects (Ninja Gaiden's Rachel especially comes to mind).

[iskyoork]

I just had another listen to the Mario voice clips from the Snake trailer...

Forgive me, but... does Charles Martinet sound older?...

Mario made like 3 grunts tops there. Can't really judge by that.

[Airwalker]

I just had another listen to the Mario voice clips from the Snake trailer...

Forgive me, but... does Charles Martinet sound older?...

Woah, Mario's voice actor has a name? 8-O

[Dunther]

It looks like Snake has a detonator toward the beginning of the gameplay part of the video. Perhaps he has a C4 move?

I think yes...

[Sir_NutS]

I want this game and I want it now.

[Bigfoot]

But I can tell you that Snake is showing off more well-toned ass than Samus here.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7408/snakemansassly9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5259/megamanrg9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Effef]

duh duuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh

[Red Shadow]

think im gonna have to bust out the
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AA

[Triad Orion]

female characters that aren't oversexualized:

Jenna -- Golden Sun: TLA


Actually, I'd extend that to the entire female cast of Golden Sun. Most of them are drawn to be good looking, but none of them are over the top, and they're all not over-sexualized at all.

I second Jade, Charlotte, and Jan Ors as well.

[cobaltstarfire]

ZS Samus never really struck me as extremely sexualized, yeah sure she's got the tight curve exposing suit, but what she's missing is the mannerism.

I mean the way she's dressed isn't any more different than a gymnast/runner/swimmer/[insert sport here], and they aren't dressed to be extremely sexualized so much as for ease of movement.

Maybe I just fail at making this mental leap cause she isn't really that sexy as far as women go, and I'm not male so it's harder to see it I guess.

[megadave]

ZS Samus never really struck me as extremely sexualized, yeah sure she's got the tight curve exposing suit, but what she's missing is the mannerism.

I mean the way she's dressed isn't any more different than a gymnast/runner/swimmer/[insert sport here], and they aren't dressed to be extremely sexualized so much as for ease of movement.

Maybe I just fail at making this mental leap cause she isn't really that sexy as far as women go, and I'm not male so it's harder to see it I guess.

I think the reason we men are so attracted to her is because she's a intergalactic bounty hunter - she's badass. Combine that with a nice appearance and you get the most attractive video game character alive, regardless if she runs around half-naked or not. A bimbo is just a bimbo. Nothing more than eye candy.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Oh, noes! Fictional attractive girls! What is society comming to?

The reason all girls are thin and sexy and all guys are manly and musclebound in videogames (with a few exceptions to both) is that THEY ARE FICTIONAL! This is what we do with fiction; we create a world that we know is different than our own but that we think would be cool. It would be cool if all girls were hot and wore skintight clothes. It would also be cool if you could respawn when you get thrown off a cliff. That's another recurring theme in videogames, but does it make people suicidal? No. Because it's fiction, and we all know it.

Even if you are playing the most pornographic game ever made, it's no different than masturbation; it's a harmless way to get off on your fantasies.

[Jam Stunna]

Oh, noes! Fictional attractive girls! What is society comming to?

The reason all girls are thin and sexy and all guys are manly and musclebound in videogames (with a few exceptions to both) is that THEY ARE FICTIONAL! This is what we do with fiction; we create a world that we know is different than our own but that we think would be cool. It would be cool if all girls were hot and wore skintight clothes. It would also be cool if you could respawn when you get thrown off a cliff. That's another recurring theme in videogames, but does it make people suicidal? No. Because it's fiction, and we all know it.

Even if you are playing the most pornographic game ever made, it's no different than masturbation; it's a harmless way to get off on your fantasies.

Discussion over.

Anyway, this has been a great week for updates so far.

[!Nekko!]

SSB is the new PPR

[Global-Trance]

Less arguing, more http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist09/assist09_071003a.jpging.

[Effef]

I want more 2D characters and assist trophies.

[Sir_NutS]

I want more 2D characters and assist trophies.

_____________

[Amayirot Akago]

I want more 2D characters and assist trophies.
_________________

[Neo Samus]

SSB is the new PPR

For some reason I can't figure out what you mean by PPR? Could you enlighten me?

Also, 8-bit motorbikes FTW!!!!

[Arek the Absolute]

Less arguing, more http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist09/assist09_071003a.jpging.
rigid tires are all the rage now i hear

[KakTheInfected]

Fuck Exitebike, where's Excitetruck?

[Neo Samus]

Fuck Exitebike, where's Excitetruck?


LOL! I can see it now. A huge Montser truck running over eveyone's asses!!I can see it now!! HAHAHA!!!

[Arek the Absolute]

dude are you ok?

[KakTheInfected]

dude are you ok?

He's just a little...excited.

*Reading Rainbow jingle*

[Penfold]

Btw when I went to pick up Phantom Hourglass yesterday, I saw this game was for preorder, so naturally I preordered it. The guy who rung me up at EB Games said almost no one's preordered it as of yet. Anyone else here preorder it already?

[Arek the Absolute]

totally wrong thread for that question but yes i did
also

boshi for assist trophy

[Antipode]

totally wrong thread for that question but yes i did
also

boshi for assist trophy

Pretty sure he was talking about preordering brawl...
But ok

[Arek the Absolute]

oh i thought he meant phantom cause i was like ya the ds thread is that way

also yes i preordered this and i also did a little qa around to see how many each game crazy and gamestop had preordered around town and the average was like 60 dude

[Neo Samus]

dude are you ok?

Yeah I'm fine. When Kak mentioned Excitetruck the first thing that ran trough my head was a huge truck (like the size of the screen) just slamming on top of everyone and then driving off.

[Arek the Absolute]

wryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Penfold]

oh i thought he meant phantom cause i was like ya the ds thread is that way

also yes i preordered this and i also did a little qa around to see how many each game crazy and gamestop had preordered around town and the average was like 60 dude

Huh, could have just been the store I went to then. Seemed weird to me that only a few people would have preordered, this (and in case there is still confusion, yes, I meant Brawl :-P) being such a high-profile game and all.

[Cecilff2]

wryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Even though its completely unrelated, and he might not be in brawl, I would love to see game & watch's final smash be that.

[Brushfire]

Even though its completely unrelated, and he might not be in brawl, I would love to see game & watch's final smash be that.


I didn't like Game And Watch. I don't know why. But I will say that I would have prefered him over the Ice Climbers.

[Hum4n After All]

I preordered Brawl months ago. Then a few weeks ago the local game store(Game Square)that I preordered it from went out of business!
>_<
No phone call! BULLSHIT OF ALL BULLSHITS! My money gone.
Now I have to go to the other store, which was bought out so it is no longer Game Square, with my receipt and see what justice can be done.

[Brushfire]

I preordered Brawl months ago. Then a few weeks ago the local game store(Game Square)that I preordered it from went out of business!
>_<
No phone call! BULLSHIT OF ALL BULLSHITS! My money gone.
Now I have to go to the other store, which was bought out so it is no longer Game Square, with my receipt and see what justice can be done.

That sucks on so many levels d00d.

[Neo Samus]

wryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

I think it's my turn to ask if you are ok. :<

Chaos: That fucking sucks!!! I hope you are able to get your money back or move your pre-order to another store.

[TheCatPhysician]

I preordered Brawl months ago. Then a few weeks ago the local game store(Game Square)that I preordered it from went out of business!
>_<
No phone call! BULLSHIT OF ALL BULLSHITS! My money gone.
Now I have to go to the other store, which was bought out so it is no longer Game Square, with my receipt and see what justice can be done.
man that sucks, did you pay the full price for it too? or just the $5 down payment or whatever

[Makai]

It wouldn't be worth bothering over if it was just the 5 dollars down. Gas is costly these days.

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

Bigfoot, it should be said that you need your props for that. Back when those pictures hit the net, and one of my friends pointed out the sheer amount of ass viewable in Snake's jumpsuit. That idea was the very first thing that jumped into my head, someone making a video of Brawl trailers and gameplay and just shoving it into everything with 'DUN DUNNN'.

An hour later I was browing the thread and saw your original posting of that. Bless you, you magnificant person.

[Airwalker]

This update made me e-mail Nintendo for the third time about bringing Mother 3 to the US of A! I feel it was a rather good e-mail. Feel free to use it as a template, people.

I finally got a response. Well, about one sentence was from a real person, and the next 5 paragraphs were a copy-paste response.

At this time, Mother 1 and 3 have not been announced for release, but we do appreciate your enthusiasm!

:| I kinda wish I got a little more back from them, though.

[friendlyHunter]

The guy who talks with Snake in the first and last video... it instantly sounded familiar when I heard it yesterday, though I've never played any Metal Gear games before (gasp!). I think I finally figured out why: he sounds a lot like that Protoss guy from StarCraft, Aldaris is his name I believe. Anyone know if it's the same voice actor?

[checks IMDB]
Why yes, it is. Don't know why I didn't think of that until now =p

[Hum4n After All]

Chaos: That fucking sucks!!! I hope you are able to get your money back or move your pre-order to another store.

I'm gonna go tomorrow and see what can be done. If I am able to get my money back I'm going to GameStop and reserving it there. I know they won't go out of business.

man that sucks, did you pay the full price for it too? or just the $5 down payment or whatever

I paid $40.
So uh yeah I better get my money back. I don't want no shitty store credit either.

[Bigfoot]

Bigfoot, it should be said that you need your props for that. Back when those pictures hit the net, and one of my friends pointed out the sheer amount of ass viewable in Snake's jumpsuit. That idea was the very first thing that jumped into my head, someone making a video of Brawl trailers and gameplay and just shoving it into everything with 'DUN DUNNN'.

An hour later I was browing the thread and saw your original posting of that. Bless you, you magnificant person.

Haha, thanks :P I try.

[Unstable Hamster]

Wait, Campbell is also Aldaris?
That smooth talking son of a bitch...

[I-n-j-i-n]

Sometimes I wish Nintendo fucking shuts the hell up about Smash Brothers Brawl then drop the bomb when the game comes out. They're revealing a bit too much now. I wish they built up the hype ala Halo 3 or any other big releases in games nowadays. Give it the old Star Wars style no spoiler treatment.

[TheCatPhysician]

haha before we were complaining that they wouldn't give us enough info


yeah it's weird though, they sure are giving a lot of info

hopefully they didn't just give away half the new characters

[Strike911]

Dayum!!!

Fox's Final Smash is sweet.

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

Then don't look? I mean, the whole site is devoted to giving away info, it seems a bit odd to complain about them doing that. Nintendo remains silent on a lot of things, and this is a great way to keep the excitement steady. Plus, we don't even know how much we know. Really, we've not even seen half the amount of stages as were in Melee, and I'm sure we'll have far more in Brawl.

Also, I think Sakurai has officially snapped.

LANDMASTERRR!

Yeah. It's cool. My heart's aflutter.

[DuskyFerret]

wow...landmaster...exciting....

OMG!!!!!!11!!! THEY BROUGHT BACK SHIELDING!!!!!!!
I WAS SO HOPING THEY WOULD BRING THIS BACK FOR THIS VERSION. THANKYOU SAKURAI YOU HAVE MADE MY DAY!!!!!11!!
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS:-P:-P:-P

[Amayirot Akago]

Neat update, I like the tank.

But tomorrow better be Captain Falcon or I'm gonna kill myself.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Then don't look? I mean, the whole site is devoted to giving away info, it seems a bit odd to complain about them doing that. Nintendo remains silent on a lot of things, and this is a great way to keep the excitement steady. Plus, we don't even know how much we know. Really, we've not even seen half the amount of stages as were in Melee, and I'm sure we'll have far more in Brawl.

Also, I think Sakurai has officially snapped.

LANDMASTERRR!

Yeah. It's cool. My heart's aflutter.

Giving away info is good. AFTER the game is out maybe. Or at least tease. Now the site even gives detailed info on trophies and other intricacies of the game. They didn't need to go that far, no less probably reveal all the characters beforehand.

[ZeroBass.Exe]

Maybe it'll live up to the hype, unlike Halo 3. They kept evrybody in suspense for three years, and look what we got. SSBM doesn't promise to be the game that remakes the world, it just promises to be a good, solid beat-em-up with tons of unlockables. From that standard, it'll be hard to really screw up, especially given past records.

[Mr.Roboto]

I just wish Nintendo would gives us Captain Falcon.Then I'll stop reading the page.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Maybe it'll live up to the hype, unlike Halo 3. They kept evrybody in suspense for three years, and look what we got. SSBM doesn't promise to be the game that remakes the world, it just promises to be a good, solid beat-em-up with tons of unlockables. From that standard, it'll be hard to really screw up, especially given past records.

I think most Halo players think Halo 3 lived up to expectations, finally, compared to the Halo 2 disappointment from what I've read and played of it. Except for the story which was always vague since the first. And most hours of Halo gameplay is for online anyway.

I don't think they need to do much with SSB games really. Even if online mode isn't good, that's not what was expected of it. Even with the story, nobody really expects anything. Unlike all the talk of 'epic' when the talk of Halo came around. All SSB needs to do is put out a dumb, fun fighting system with any semblance of balance and it'll be good enough. Even the older SSB games, with almost distinct tiers and the general silliness was well received. It's not going to be any different unless they mess something up.

[Aninymouse]

I don't think they need to do much with SSB games really. Even if online mode isn't good, that's not what was expected of it. Even with the story, nobody really expects anything. Unlike all the talk of 'epic' when the talk of Halo came around. All SSB needs to do is put out a dumb, fun fighting system with any semblance of balance and it'll be good enough. Even the older SSB games, with almost distinct tiers and the general silliness was well received. It's not going to be any different unless they mess something up.

actually, i think there's a lot of high expectations for the new single player! the previous single player modes were short and lacking for me. i hope the single player in brawl will be harder and lengthier and i hope it peaks my interest with its story. overall, i hope it satiates my needs and is a blast in the face to play.

i sure hope the story goes deep and is extremely gratifying.

[Arrow]

Mmm, now I have an actual reason to scream "DO A BARREL ROLL" in battles to my heart's content.

[Ray Falling]

Mmm, now I have an actual reason to scream "DO A BARREL ROLL" in battles to my heart's content.

You could make that one of your four "taunts" if they allow so many characters :D

Speaking of which. Since we won't have voice chat or whatever for online, we could sort of try and agree on some "taunts" as means of interaction.

Like for example have a "play again?" a "yes" and a "no" and a personal taunt, or maybe (again depending on character limit) display friend code. You know, for in case you play a random person (and you cant see their code). That way, when you liked playing someone you can exchange friend codes and add each other to yer list.

Of course these things won't be necesary if FC are always given, but as for taunts as communication, we should come up with something universal :)

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Landmaster owns, but I was actually expecting the Great Fox.
So, wavedashing is going to be doable in this game, huh?

[Cecilff2]

"It’s so big, it might be hard to turn around. But it’s law-breaking power and authority is unstoppable."

It seems the Landmaster embraces the dark side?

[Triad Orion]

The Landmaster? ...That seems entirely wrong for Fox. I was expecting an Arwing assault as his Final Smash. Who can object to a flight of Arwings flying in and blasting the hell out of everything? XD

Though to be fair, the Landmaster does work. And you can tell people to "GTFO MY LANDMASTER!" This may be more fun than I originally anticipated. >>

[Miletus]

Weren't we just talking about bubble shields yesterday? This has happened too much to be a coincidence; Sakurai's reading folks!

[Neo Samus]

The landmaster final smash looks almost what I imagined about the excite truck thing yesrterday. O_O

I like the little bits of info they are giving. Some of you say that Sakuari is showing us way too much. I bet that we only know about 15% or less of the whole game.

[eternal Zero]

Well, Fox is the only one to really drive the landmaster around.
It's no Great Fox, but it's still friggin sweet.

[BardicKnowledge]

What everyone's opinion on the grounded 3-d dodge this time around? I have a feeling that I'm going to take a while to get used to it.

[cobaltstarfire]

He was just talking about rolls, shields, and the down dodge. That doesn't mean air dodging was taken out.

Although if it was I'll be sad cause that was fun to do.

[Sir_NutS]

Do an effin barrel roll!

[BardicKnowledge]

Cobalt, I realize that the aerial dodge is still present -- there is an _added_ option of a ground dodge now. Or has it always been there and I just never take advantage of it?

[Theory of N]

It's always been there. If you hold the shield button and push down it'll do it (at least in Melee. Been too long since I played the 64 one).

I wonder if doing a barrel roll with the Landmaster will involve pushing L or R twice...

[Neo Samus]

"To do a barrel Roll and squash your opponents, Press L or R twice!"

[TheHands]

I'm vaguely disappointed by the Landmaster's stills. Maybe it'll be more impressive in execution.

[cobaltstarfire]

It's always been there. If you hold the shield button and push down it'll do it (at least in Melee. Been too long since I played the 64 one).

It's not in the 64 one (just to answer that question).

[The Derrit]

for all tards who do not realize, rolling was in smash 64. and ssbm. dodging in place, which is just shield and down, is only in ssbm, and not 64. that is all.

[cobaltstarfire]

Hey good job on being a dick as well as restating what has already been said.

[The Mutericator]

I'm vaguely disappointed by the Landmaster's stills. Maybe it'll be more impressive in execution.

If we assume it's as slow as it was in 64 and Assault, yeah. Though who knows, it could be faster.

[Dunther]

Maybe it'll live up to the hype, unlike Halo 3. They kept evrybody in suspense for three years, and look what we got. SSBM doesn't promise to be the game that remakes the world, it just promises to be a good, solid beat-em-up with tons of unlockables. From that standard, it'll be hard to really screw up, especially given past records.

I totally agree with you.


Like for example have a "play again?" a "yes" and a "no" and a personal taunt, or maybe (again depending on character limit) display friend code. You know, for in case you play a random person (and you cant see their code). That way, when you liked playing someone you can exchange friend codes and add each other to yer list.

Yeah, nice idea....with 4 taunts give the friendly code it's more than possible...

If we assume it's as slow as it was in 64 and Assault, yeah. Though who knows, it could be faster.

Well...the scenario is smaller in Brawl than in Starfox...

[friendlyHunter]

You cannot send chat messages or taunts to random online opponents, so you cannot send them your friend codes. If you're playing with someone who you can display taunts to, then you already have their friend code. At least that's how I understood it...


As for the Landmaster... I think it was a good choice, I can't really see how the Arwing would've worked. (Great fox on the other hand could have worked.... if it wasn't two times bigger than most of the stages we've seen so far.)


Weren't we just talking about bubble shields yesterday? This has happened too much to be a coincidence; Sakurai's reading folks!
We were talking about shields because they were in the video a couple days ago.... chances are he just posted about shields ALSO because they where in the video a couple days ago. He tends to do stuff like that, don't ask.

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

no less probably reveal all the characters beforehand.

Which I honestly do not believe for a second they're doing. It's been four months since the site started doing the update schtick, and since then, they've only revealed two truly new characters, as Lucas and Ike will either be taking roles for returners, or be near-clones like Luigi.

But even if we count them all, that's only four new characters in four months, all of them perfectly likely to be starters, and we've only got two months of updates left. And yes, I honestly believe there will be far more characters than this. We haven't even hit the benchmark of Melee, and there are still a few likely returners yet to be seen.

No way in hell are they gonna stop at a 27 or whatever roster benchmark, I'm damn sure of that. Sakurai's been showing that now that he has the space of a DVD, he damn well plans to do all he can to fill it. :P

[Moseph]

(Great fox on the other hand could have worked.... if it wasn't two times bigger than most of the stages we've seen so far.)

If they follow tradition, the Great Fox will be a stage. Which would make a final smash that involved it rather interesting.

[friendlyHunter]

Sakurai's been showing that now that he has the space of a DVD, he damn well plans to do all he can to fill it. :P

Once they run out of trophies, he'll get someone to follow him around with a camera until they have enough footage to fill the disk.

Off topic: what if the credits, instead of shooting them with lasers, appeared in the form of Mii's of the staff that you have to fight!? That would be fun =D

And back on the topic of updates: they're not revealing enough until they show us a Metroid stage and Samus special moves!! Of course everyone has their "special thing" that they want to know before the release (Captain Falcon is a popular one), so it seems a bit silly to say they're revealing too much. Although, there are SOME updates I wish they hadn't done, simply because they'd be such fun surprises to discover in the game. Wouldn't it have been a hilarious surprise to, not knowing of their existence beforehand, suddenly stumble upon the Golden Hammer, Squeaky Golden Hammer, Mr. Ressetti's lecture, or Excite Bikes? I'm hoping they don't have many more assist trophy updates, and certainly no more "rare item" updates...

[Eulogic]

Of the two, one will be the protagonist. Essentially, the camera follows the protagonist, so the other player has to keep up.

heh sonic and tails confirmed

[Azul v2]

heh sonic and tails confirmed

Was coming here to post that. lol

[Takashi]

sweet smash has sonic 2 gameplay!!

...now seriously sonic would be awesome...MARIO+SONIC CO-OP GAME FTW

this was a good week for sakurai Excite Bike, Fox's final smash, shield, this, still missing the Jiggly though...(and Captain Falcon I guess...)

[Neo Samus]

It's rather scary that "Team" screams Sonic 2 in every which way. I know this is still just wishful thinking but I really do want Sonic (and maybe talis) in SSBB.

[Arek the Absolute]

it actually screams sonic 3
you couldn't control tails in 2 i thought

[Takashi]

Sakurai is screwing with us again

teasing us with Samurai Goroh and not showing Captain
Showing Ike, Lucas, and Pokemon Trainer but no Jiggly, Marth/Roy, Ness
and now showing a Sonic 2 like mode with no sign of Sonic and Tails/Luigi..that being said Luigi confirmed!!!

heh another way to look at it is a way I really wished 2 player DKC would be (If you play as DK/Diddy)

EDIT: To Nick no Sonic 2 did it too it was kinda a hidden feature but you could pick up controller 2 and play Tails at any time

[DuskyFerret]

...or it could just be based on every other fighting game with co-op mode. Anyways, I'm looking forward to co-op with DK and Diddy Kong. It's gonna be like Donkey Kong Country but even more kickass.

Edit:
Looks like I was beaten to it i guess...great minds think alike.

[Takashi]

indeed course you could also think (if Luigi and/or Toad get in) a co-op Mario 2 or a really bad-ass platforming version of Mario and Luigi SuperStar Saga, Villians and Heros Uniting (Link/Gannon, Kirby/Metaknight, Mario/Bowser, Pikachu/Mewtwo), or in the off chance of Sonic getting in the Mario/Sonic game I always wanted

though a thought popped in my head..how would pokemon trainer play in this mode?

would Red run in the background following his pokemon..ride a rapidash/pidgeot..or something in that nature?

[Strike911]

it actually screams sonic 3
you couldn't control tails in 2 i thought

Yeah, you could control Tails in S2. It wasn't technically an official co-op mode, but you could do it and help out your friend playing Sonic. Sonic 3 actually gave you a coop mode though.


This is pretty exciting. I wonder what that crpytic last sentence means exactly. That sounds pretty cool. I wonder if you can customize characters, or level them up in single player, somehow. Hmm. Interesting.

[The Author]

indeed course you could also think (if Luigi and/or Toad get in) a co-op Mario 2 or a really bad-ass platforming version of Mario and Luigi SuperStar Saga, Villians and Heros Uniting (Link/Gannon, Kirby/Metaknight, Mario/Bowser, Pikachu/Mewtwo), or in the off chance of Sonic getting in the Mario/Sonic game I always wanted

though a thought popped in my head..how would pokemon trainer play in this mode?

would Red run in the background following his pokemon..ride a rapidash/pidgeot..or something in that nature?
Red may not be part of adventure mode.

[Fo0dNippl3]

This is totally like Kirby Super Star. Especially the thing about the second player returning to the first if they get left off screen.

[!Nekko!]

The protagonists form teams based on the developments in the story, and the characters they encounter join their team.Are you really able to choose who is on your team? It sounds like it will be more story driven so teams are pre-determined.

[Baleshadow]

I bet the world map is going to be huge.

Since you don't need to run through the story mode with every single character like in past games (because you pick up different characters through multiple paths) they don't really need to limit the length that much. This is going to be so epic.

[Sir_NutS]

I want this game, delivered to my doorstep. NOW.

[SirChadlyOC]

Since you don't need to run through the story mode with every single character like in past games (because you pick up different characters through multiple paths) they don't really need to limit the length that much. This is going to be so epic.

...But what if you're wrong? What if the ending changes each time based on which characters you have? What if the characters you pick up change every time based on who you started with? What if there are HUNDREDS of endings?!

[Zeklan]

Simply awesome.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

I LOVED 2P mode in Kirby Superstar, and this is basically the same thing.

Awesome.

[BardicKnowledge]

Damn -- this game is going to be so freaking amazing. I've gotta have it!

What I want from single player is more stages like Melee's Adventure mode Level 1, where it's basically a platformer with Smash controls. I really enjoyed that level (and the others like it).

Oh, and Sonic/Tails ftw. Sakurai would never announce something that big ahead of time...

[anclunn]

I LOVED 2P mode in Kirby Superstar, and this is basically the same thing.

Awesome.

Yeah Smash Brothers control scheme was basically a complete rip of Kirby SUperstar (Which is fine since both were made by Hal.) I mean L or R shielding? Special powers that do different things depending on which direction you hold... Even most of Kirby's move set. It's no surprise that Hal made Kirby the most powerful character in the first smash brothers. I hope they just give him back some power for this next game, cuz man did he get nerfed.

[nohero]

Yeah, you could control Tails in S2. It wasn't technically an official co-op mode, but you could do it and help out your friend playing Sonic. Sonic 3 actually gave you a coop mode though.


This is pretty exciting. I wonder what that crpytic last sentence means exactly. That sounds pretty cool. I wonder if you can customize characters, or level them up in single player, somehow. Hmm. Interesting.


The first thing I thought when I read this was that equippables would play a role in the game. Different costumes, different weapons, all possibly affecting character stats. This game has enough RPG elements in it already; it would make sense.

[Baleshadow]

...But what if you're wrong? What if the ending changes each time based on which characters you have? What if the characters you pick up change every time based on who you started with? What if there are HUNDREDS of endings?!

Then SWEET.

[The Mutericator]

The first thing I thought when I read this was that equippables would play a role in the game. Different costumes, different weapons, all possibly affecting character stats. This game has enough RPG elements in it already; it would make sense.

Man I hope not. If I want to play Soul Calibur 2 I'll go play Soul Calibur 2.

Though you have a point, what with Wario's bike, Samus' suit, Diddy's rocket barrel and popguns, et cetera. We still don't know how acquiring/recovering those is going to work.

I'm sort of expecting one "special item" for each character, though as usual I wouldn't be disappointed if I'm wrong.

[Rambo]

Sweet ass freaking update. I just blew my pants.

Aside from that... did anyone notice that they ripped off Halo for the difficulty icons? Unless Halo wasn't the first place that was seen.

[Bigfoot]

Sweet ass freaking update. I just blew my pants.

Aside from that... did anyone notice that they ripped off Halo for the difficulty icons? Unless Halo wasn't the first place that was seen.

That's not ripping off of anything. I believe Quake III Arena did the same thing.

[Rambo]

That's not ripping off of anything. I believe Quake III Arena did the same thing.
Alright, well its no original idea. They could've just stuck with their colour classifications.
And I didn't recall that in Q III, good to know.

[ZeroBass.Exe]

Slightly off topic, what would you all think of a game along the same vein as SSBM, but using characters from other games, kind of an ultimate collab? A beat-em-up that versus the likes of Bionic Commando and Bonk, or Kingdom Hearts Sora versus Dante'? and so on. Do you think this is a bad idea?

[Takashi]

Slightly off topic, what would you all think of a game along the same vein as SSBM, but using characters from other games, kind of an ultimate collab? A beat-em-up that versus the likes of Bionic Commando and Bonk, or Kingdom Hearts Sora versus Dante'? and so on. Do you think this is a bad idea?
if the gameplay is good then I'll buy it but otherwise might be a bit too huge

[XFactor]

Slightly off topic, what would you all think of a game along the same vein as SSBM, but using characters from other games, kind of an ultimate collab? A beat-em-up that versus the likes of Bionic Commando and Bonk, or Kingdom Hearts Sora versus Dante'? and so on. Do you think this is a bad idea?

It will never happen.

[Triad Orion]

It'd be a fascinating proposition, but... XFactor is right. It would never happen because there'd be so many copyright issues to deal with nothing would ever get done.

[Eulogic]

There are plenty of similar games to Smash Bros. DreamMix TV World Fighters has many similarities to Smash and features Konami and Namco characters, while Jump Superstars features similar gameplay to Smash Bros. with various anime characters. The Marvel vs. Capcom series, though the style of the game is different, takes characters from each of these universes and pits them against one another.

Hell, DreamMix even had Snake in it.

[Airwalker]

Why stop there? Why not include movies, TV, music and history icons? You can have Napoleon Bonaparte fight Erkel from Family Matters. Or maybe a Terminator versus Gene Simmons? (Crap, that sounds interesting now...)

I think it just becomes too broad at some point. Focusing on Nintendo's franchises is perfect, because their in-house games have some very strong followings and the characters mostly well known. Yet they have the common denominator of Nintendo behind all of them.

[Arek the Absolute]

I LOVED 2P mode in Kirby Superstar, and this is basically the same thing.

Awesome.
well considering that this guy was part of hal when that game came out

[I-n-j-i-n]

I'm a bit skeptical of the adventure mode simply because ALL fighting games ever made that tried it never put all their best efforts. Tekken 3 was as close to a fun adventure mode as it ever got and I think that type of game will happen here in SSBB. Nice addition, but not crucial at all. I bet they'll give the incentive in terms of specific trophies and unlockables though.

[Dunther]

well considering that this guy was part of hal when that game came out

Well...Kirby and Smash gameplays have much in common...

[Arek the Absolute]

GO FIGURE!
caps

[Kiyosuki]

Why stop there? Why not include movies, TV, music and history icons?

Well...because those arn't video games.

It will never happen.


You know if I went back in time four to five years ago, and told all of you Solid Snake would be breaking Mario's neck in a future SSB title you'd all probably have called me a delusional idiot.

I'm not saying anything about what this series or idea is supposed to be or what it should be, and I don't know whats going on inside the heads of the people who make all this happen. All I'm saying is that you really never know what these guys are going to do at this point. "It will never happen." is seriously starting to become a pretty flexible statement in video games now.

[KWarp]

Why stop there? Why not include movies, TV, music and history icons? You can have Napoleon Bonaparte fight Erkel from Family Matters. Or maybe a Terminator versus Gene Simmons? (Crap, that sounds interesting now...)
Umm... MUGEN? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.U.G.E.N)

[Broken]

Umm... MUGEN? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.U.G.E.N)

OMEGA TOM HANKS vs. SS$JZZZZ Goku!

[ZeroBass.Exe]

Or maybe a Terminator versus Gene Simmons?

I would buy the game for that reason alone.

[Kiyosuki]

I know you guys are talking about Al and not Richard but that reminds me of that old Simpsons episode, with the crazy robot Simmons. I loved that scene.

[Airwalker]

If Brawl has Sonic, how do you think they'd reveal it? Would they save it for the last week to create a lot of hype, or would they throw it out at some earlier point--maybe just hint at it? Or perhaps it would be a secret through launch?

My guess? The day after Sonic and Mario Olympics is released, as to not take any of the swagger away from that being their first cross-game.

[Hector]

If there are any third party characters other than Snake, I think it would be best for them not to be announced. Having third-party characters still being discovered a couple of weeks after the game is released would be the perfect way to ensure ongoing buzz.

[Kiyosuki]

If there are any third party characters other than Snake, I think it would be best for them not to be announced. Having third-party characters still being discovered a couple of weeks after the game is released would be the perfect way to ensure ongoing buzz.

Indeed.

Sonic is really a lot more possible than many think now, he was certainly more possible than Solid Snake before this. Imagine if that bombshell hit after the game was released.

[mattycat900]

If there are any third party characters other than Snake, I think it would be best for them not to be announced. Having third-party characters still being discovered a couple of weeks after the game is released would be the perfect way to ensure ongoing buzz.

this will be the craziest game ever if secret characters are still being unlocked a few weeks after release.

[Steben]

So, what time of day do they make updates at the Dojo (http://www.smashbros.com)?

I know it's not midnight (Eastern or Central), and it's usually before noon (Central, at least).

[I-n-j-i-n]

Too bad a Sonic reveal just would not have the punch and impact it would have had even a few years ago. It's really sad how far the Sonic games have fallen. Besides Sonic, if they're going that path, I wish they put in some little known types. I want Espio in a SSB game. Replete with his Mew Two type personality.

[Takashi]

updates I'm guessing is about 3 a.m. eastern >.>

not sure im in a funny timezone at the moment..really funny timezone cause the update usually happens at 10 a.m. my time

[friendlyHunter]

Updates are at 2:00 am Central (that is, when they're on time). That's about half an hour from now.

A holiday (Thanksgiving) AND an update, this will be the best Monday ever!

[atmuh]

Updates are at 2:00 am Central (that is, when they're on time). That's about half an hour from now.

A holiday (Thanksgiving) AND an update, this will be the best Monday ever!

thats comical

[Azul v2]

Its Thanksgiving? Damn! Columbus must have had something up his sleeve this year. Why do I still have to go to classes tomorrow...:(

[TheCatPhysician]

thats comical

i dont get it

[Takashi]

Naked Samus FTW

laser whip and of course the stun gun not bad at all

[Inimitable]

I am so not excited for this character anymore. :(

[JackKieser]

Why not? ZSS looks like she's going to be an interesting character, especially considering she technically has two official recovery moves (both whip attacks can hook a ledge).

I think she'll be a definite challenge to fight. Not to mention Snake already wants to jump her... how bad can she be?

--Jack Kieser

[cobaltstarfire]

Its Thanksgiving? Damn! Columbus must have had something up his sleeve this year. Why do I still have to go to classes tomorrow...:(

It's Thanksgiving in Canada.

[Antipode]

I'll be honest - I'm really glad the gun is toned down from what we were thinking from the trailers. Like, it's SUPPOSED to be an emergency pistol that does next to nothing except stun enemies - not some quick laser-whip that can allow you to cause more damage than normal samus can. Samus is really supposed to be a lot weaker without the suit. Glad to see that she is.

[Jam Stunna]

Here's some vids of me playing against one of my friends. The awesome music is courtesy of Red Shadow.

Jam Stunna (ICs) vs. JV Smooth (Peach) 1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zgSMCh8pYrE)

Jam Stunna (ICs) vs. JV Smooth (Peach) 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYEoY06Zj3g)

[Lord.Roderick.i]

So, what time of day do they make updates at the Dojo (http://www.smashbros.com)?

I know it's not midnight (Eastern or Central), and it's usually before noon (Central, at least).
Actually, updates are at 12pm Japan.
And about ZSS, I think it was obvious that they were gonna use the stun gun. It came from Zero Mission, but remember that ZSS has to be less powerful than Chozo armored Samus.

[supremespleen]

my first thought when I saw this update:

DON'T TASE ME BRO

[DeepChild]

my first thought when I saw this update:

DON'T TASE ME BRO

ROFL! Samus for campus police chief!

[Eulogic]

Actually, updates are at 12pm Japan.

I'm pretty sure it's 4pm.

[NeoForte]

The typical update is around 3am EST (12am PST or 4pm JP). Its not always a set rule as some updates are late 10min-hours sometimes. But yea, 3am EST.

[Wipomatic]

It's 8am GMT if that helps.

[Ab56 v2 aka Ash]

Obviously that's not all there is to the character. To balance her out, she'll probably move pretty damn fast.

[!Nekko!]

Is anyone else's RSS feed not working?

[Cecilff2]

I'll be honest - I'm really glad the gun is toned down from what we were thinking from the trailers. Like, it's SUPPOSED to be an emergency pistol that does next to nothing except stun enemies - not some quick laser-whip that can allow you to cause more damage than normal samus can. Samus is really supposed to be a lot weaker without the suit. Glad to see that she is.

Indeed, thats the way it worked in Zero Mission after all. Crap pirates! Stun, run, hide. Yay the pirates short memory has caused them to forget I was ever here.

[Dhsu]

zomg bewbs

[Strike911]

I just came to the realization that if I want Smash Bros Brawl to have the same shock factor that I'm expecting, I'm going to have to stop looking at the Brawl updates.

I'm already hyped about this game... seeing all these updates, listening to the music....

I'm going to have to go on lockdown and not view them soon so I'll be surprised by everything in the game (small and big).

[Inimitable]

Is anyone else's RSS feed not working?
Mine's been unresponsive for a few days now.

[Brushfire]

Horray for Samus. I will (try to) rock face against all people!!

[Linkjing Donuts]

updates are 12 am. start of the day, in the pacific

[Eulogic]

Obviously that's not all there is to the character. To balance her out, she'll probably move pretty damn fast.

How does a ranged stunning attack need balancing out?

[The Author]

More importantly, how can we, 2 months prior to release, evaluate balance.

All we have is SSBM experience and as far as I see, this is not the same game as before. So until we see the game in action, we can never really evaluate balance.

[Takashi]

sigh here is shiek 2.0

[Broken]

Here's some vids of me playing against one of my friends. The awesome music is courtesy of Red Shadow.

Jam Stunna (ICs) vs. JV Smooth (Peach) 1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zgSMCh8pYrE)

Jam Stunna (ICs) vs. JV Smooth (Peach) 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYEoY06Zj3g)

I was going to post this directly on the video site, but I figured you'd probably see this first. I only watched the 1st video so far and here is some feedback:

For Jam: If Peach is going to stay in the float and attack without landing, try and land some more sheild grabs and lead into a chain throw. also, you proably already know to be cautious about using d-smash near Peach, but that move can wreck her, and it has decently good priority, so you may want to risk using it.

To the Peach: Pretty well played. In order to eat at IC's sheild when they're trying to shield grab I usually float over their head and FC d-air into d-smash. That's usually pretty safe but be careful of an up-smash out of sheild.

Also remember to try very hard to wiggle out of chain throws at low percents. It is possible to escape unless you're playing agianst Wobbles or something. (roll the c-stick and joy-stick for quick inputs)

Edit: Holy $#$% at GimpyFish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rELZ4_zqFok&mode=related&search=smash%20bros%20melee%20tournament%20chapman %20orange)

[Jam Stunna]

Ha, in my defense, I don't get raped nearly as badly in the second video ;)

[Strike911]

You know, I just came to another realization... one day, these updates will stop. I'm so used to being online at 2 in the morning and getting the update. What am I going to do? Sleep? I should start planning. Haha. I guess I'll be playing Smash Bros Brawl. Teehee.

[Eulogic]

ASH-U-REE

best song on the site imo

i hope another warioware character makes it in

preferably mona, but ashley would work

[Strike911]

OMG! BEST SONG EVaRRR!!1!!!!!11 Hahahha!

This totally fits with a Wario level. Seriously.

The girls voice is annoying once you listen to it a while, but hey, still best song ever.

Edit: Best song... kind of... I did like that MGS4 one... and .... the Zelda medley.

[Eulogic]

Weird. There's ANOTHER music update on the Japanese site at the bottom of the Kirby update. What the hell music is that?

http://www.smashbros.com/jp/index.html

[DuskyFerret]

Aww kirby final smash. BOO already seen it.

Bring on Ice Climbers final smash GIANT KILLER EGGPLANT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5R__TC3saY)!!!:<

And also, Ashley's theme was the best music on WarioWare touched. I used to replay the stages just so I could hear the theme. It's awesome that they arranged it in the way they did 4 Brawl. Im gonna love the Warioware levels.

[Strike911]

Weird. There's ANOTHER music update on the Japanese site at the bottom of the Kirby update. What the hell music is that?

http://www.smashbros.com/jp/index.html

dude, Eulogic, nice find!!!!

I have no idea what song that is... I'd imagine it's from Kirby, but I don't know. Cool song.

SAKURAI! He is discriminating against everyone that isn't japanese! *waves fist in the air*

Haha. That's one crazy ass song though...

[Eulogic]

Apparently it's from this Japan-only (which explains why it was only released on the Japanese site) release:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DS_Cooking

[Strike911]

Yeah, I just babel fished it.

Okay, so that worries me. So when Sakurai said he didn't want to do things that were Japan only anymore, does that mean the rest of the world isn't getting these songs in other regions? Or what?

I guess we wouldn't appreciate it?

But then again they did tell us about Lucas who, as of right now, is still a japan only character.

I guess the DS Cooking thing was a little too japanese. Hm. I'd imagine all this music will be in the final release outside of Japan, but weird that he wouldn't just show it to everyone...

again, nice find, sir.

EDIT:

haha, I have to put what the translation from BabelFish is... it's even funnier than some of Sakurai's things in real english. haha.

"It is what, don't you think? the meat stops wanting to make."

The meat stops wanting to make... I think I'm going to say that to people from now on.

EDIT AGAIN:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA! The team entry when translated says this:

this can be played chummily even with the sibling it rubbed.

Hahahaha.


... sorry for offtopic, quieting down now.

[b] EDIT 3 LAST EDIT PROMISE!!!!

I HAVE TO PUT THIS ONE! THE KIRBY TRANSLATION FROM JAPANESE TO ENGLISH SAYS THIS!!!!! HAHAHAHHAHAHA!

The hat of the cock is worn!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. omg. omg. I so have to read all the japanese site translated to english from babelfish. hahahahaha.

[Raziellink]

Did anybody else think of The Mask when they heard the Ashley music?

[Inimitable]

That maddening JP-only one is still a lot higher on my list than the WarioWare mix. And I like WW...

[Antipode]

Dammit...the new equivalent DK rap except worse.

[Theory of N]

Ashley's song is great. She sounds like she's aged a bit though...

The Japanese version of the song is more fitting because it sounds like a girl instead of a popular night club singer.

also,

The hat of the cock is worn!

Complete and utter win.

[supremespleen]

I love the Ashley songs. Hurrah!

[Baleshadow]

I like the Japanese site-only Kirby song. Very Katamari-ish.

[Sir_NutS]

Did anybody else think of The Mask when they heard the Ashley music?

Yes.

I think the song will fit the stage. Also I hope ashley is playable :p. ALSO Kirby's final smash works just as I thought it would. Nice.

[megadave]

Does this mean that Ashley might be a character? She is pretty cool you know, being a witch and stuff.

[SwordBreaker]

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=78403168&blogID=304101882

MySpace of the vocalist behind Ashley's theme. She has a nice voice and seems active. She did wrongly name the game "Super Mario Bros. Smash". LOL.

[Hum4n After All]

Kirby Cook
Mmmmmm
Cook all the enemies, nom nom nom nom nom.

[Airwalker]

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=78403168&blogID=304101882

MySpace of the vocalist behind Ashley's theme. She has a nice voice and seems active. She did wrongly name the game "Super Mario Bros. Smash". LOL.

It seems that was posted about a month and a half ago. I wonder if we can find any other nuggets from the blogs of vocal artists? Somebody get on that, I think I may go make myself a sandwich and wait for the results of all your hard efforts.

[Ralphis]

I can see this being for a stage where Ashley is singing in the background of the level, with backup singers popping out to the music and stuff.

[Wipomatic]

Or maybe it'll be a choice on the already revealed Wario Ware stage?

[Aninymouse]

Does this mean that Ashley might be a character? She is pretty cool you know, being a witch and stuff.

I hope so. She has a pretty unique personality among Nintendo gals. I love the color scheme they used in her character design, too.

[megadave]

I hope so. She has a pretty unique personality among Nintendo gals. I love the color scheme they used in her character design, too.

You mean as 'Ashley the Red', right? I think she would be a nice addition. She just seems like she would be a breath of fresh air to all of the old school characters in brawl. Plus, she could have a wand and do lots of cool spells - maybe she could summon that giant man-eating plant that she creates in Wario Ware Smooth Moves.

Also, she's Halloween-themed, which is always a plus, and she's just cool as fuck.

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

I can't wait to hear the codec call about Kirby. He has such a gluttunous desire to taste everything, I find the idea that Snake could declare a pink ball of fluff to be his 'ultimate rival' quite humorous.

[Giza]

Sonic the Fighters, aka Sonic Championship. It was fun in a silly way, but yeah, not too deep.*gasp* ... not too deep... well I guess it wasn't too deep. And Fang had some brain dead stuff against some characters but overall the game doesn't get enough credit for what it was. It is a very unique game and a sequel should really be made that uses a similar engine with just a few changes.

Ashley's theme... mmm... loli in my smash

[Kureejii Lea]

o_O @ quoting a post from over a year ago.

I was thinking Ashley's theme might be better suited for a unique aspect in Subspace Emissary or something... who knows? It's kinda cute.

[Azul v2]

Brawl playable for the next E for All event

http://gonintendo.com/?p=26847#more-26847

[Airwalker]

Brawl playable for the next E for All event

http://gonintendo.com/?p=26847#more-26847

I was just about to report this fact.

This is great news, for at least those of us not going, we will have plenty of videos of the interface and tidbits of how the game feels. I doubt they'll have any unannounced characters/levels in the version they let people play. We may, however, see some sweet announcements before next week.

[TheCatPhysician]

"...i got CHOCOLATE PUDDING in my pants."

"we didn't have any pudding in there, buddy"

--silence--

[Paratha]

Obligatory WHERE IS CAPTAIN FALCON post.

I'd be more interested in hearing what Snake has to say about the Captain.

[Eulogic]

Sonic confirmed at 10/10 conference.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/826/826130p1.html

Not necessarily unexpected, but still a pleasant surprise.

[Antipode]

Sonic confirmed at 10/10 conference.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/826/826130p1.html

Not necessarily unexpected, but still a pleasant surprise.

AWESOME. And I guess super sonic is his final smash. To be honest I also wouldn't be surprised if rayman made it in (what with the Wii-exclusive raving rabbids 2).

[friendlyHunter]

Never heard of that conference, but good to know nonetheless ;-)

And what's this, two-player co-op ONLINE? Not that it'll be better than playing with someone next to you, but... convenience and options are always good.

Yes, Rayman would be great. As would Mike Jones. MIKE JONES!!


[edit]
Obligatory WHERE IS CAPTAIN FALCON post.
Don't tell anyone.... he's a secret character! We're not supposed to know about him yet!
<_<

>_>



[Edit]

Now that he's been revealed, let's hope we get an update with a video... or a Metroid stage!

[Linkjing Donuts]

Sonic confirmed at 10/10 conference.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/826/826130p1.html

Not necessarily unexpected, but still a pleasant surprise.
wow.


i wonder what today's update will be

[friendlyHunter]

wow.


i wonder what today's update will be


EARLY UPDATE ON THE JAPANESE SITE!!!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/ike/ike_070801e.jpg

IT'S HIM!!!














































http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/1800/1163884572968ue4.jpg



To be honest, I really didn't see that one coming. I wonder what his final smash will be...?

[KakTheInfected]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo...where is my Darth Vader gif?!

Oh well, as long as it makes everyone else happy...

[Bigfoot]

I wonder why it's delayed in Japan. Hopefully there isn't a delay in NA. IT'S ALL SONICS FAULT, j/k :P

[Eulogic]

As far as I know, they never announced a release date in Japan before this, so the date is not so much delayed as it is only now unveiled. Note that Wii Fit is set for a Dec. 1 release in Japan. I'm sure they want to pace their heavy-hitting products, just as I'm sure that they wouldn't want to miss a holiday release in America for Brawl.

...at least, I hope.

[Azul v2]

I expected Sonic, to be honest. I'm just wondering what they will do with Tails.

[Global-Trance]

I expected Sonic, to be honest. I'm just wondering what they will do with Tails.

Probably assist trophy at the very least.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Tails already had a pretty extensive movelist even from Sonic Adventure and Sonic Advance. I don't expect anything different from the limited flight (Kirby style but probably less floaty) and the tail spin attack.

[Azul v2]

You know, whats even better, what will Sonic's stage(s) be? Can't wait.

[Paratha]

zomg, Stardust Speedway, from Sonic CD...

[Eulogic]

Sonic the edge-hog.

[KakTheInfected]

Sonic the edge-hog.

Wowzerz. Nicely done.

[Azul v2]

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3487/1191999768639du3.jpg

[Kiyosuki]

Dude...I saw this coming a mile away, but the shock is still there.

We've already seen Sonic and Mario in one thing with that silly Olympics game but you know...this is just so different.

Its like video games as a whole, for all we've known it for all these years just divided by zero a little.

[KakTheInfected]

He wiggled his finger in the trailer. I hate that shit. Sakurai is taunting me :(

Edit: Stupid Caps prevetion.

[JackKieser]

Damnit... now I want the update really bad. They better hurry the fuck up... and it BETTER be Sonic-related.

--Jack Kieser

[Azul v2]

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3790/1192000421482eq6.jpg

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/6098/1191999828589bn4.jpg

[Amayirot Akago]

This is madness!

And pretty damnn awesome as well.

Final Smash is prolly gonna be Super Sonic transformation.

EDIT: Watched the vid just now, that was pretty kickass :-D And yeah, seems I was right.

[Eulogic]

Lots of stuff in the videos. Torchic, Snorlax, Kyogre, a bunch of gameplay and item confirmations...

And Sonic looks, unsurprisingly, fast.

[Ramaniscence]

Oh effing snap.

[Eulogic]

Fuck. Look at the left side of the screen. Release Date: TBD.

[KWarp]

Sweet update is up and I've seen the video before crazy server lag hit. :D

EDIT:
NOOOOOOOO D-E-L-A-Y AHHHHHHHHHH #$%@#%#$^$%^@#%^#$%^$%^$%

[KakTheInfected]

Fuck. Look at the left side of the screen. Release Date: TBD.

Noticed that too. Oh well, it's not like there is going to be a lack of stuff to play across all platforms this holiday season.

I find it odd that not only is Sonic going to be in Brawl, but he can fight against Snake as well. That's pretty neat if you think about it...at least I think so.

[Raziellink]

*sigh* We all knew this was coming. Still sucks though. Much rather would've seen a third party character that IS interesting.


Does this mean other Sonic characters are a possibility aswell?


EDIT: Hoshit, that music had better be in the game itself. Other then that: boo Sonic.

[Kiyosuki]

Even if you hate the Sonic character himself though its still a pretty nice treat because its a clash 18 years in the making almost. I think its a good thing. And hey..Sonic gets to be in a new game thats good.

[KakTheInfected]

Does this mean other Sonic characters are a possiblity aswell?

Oh god no...

[Amayirot Akago]

Even if you hate the Sonic character himself though its still a pretty nice treat because its a clash 18 years in the making almost. I think its a good thing. And hey..Sonic gets to be in a new game thats good.
Too bad it couldn't have been his own game.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/Snake101/1189392885608.jpg

As awesome as this update is however, I'm hoping some other Sonic characters will appear as well. I always preferred Knuckles anyways.

EDIT: And still not a single word about Captain Falcon either.

[Takashi]

>.> Dr. Robotnik boss in adventure mode plz ktnx!

or Assist Trophys of Knuckles and Tails

hell how about an Angel Island stage complete with random item boxes appearing!

...the thought of Sonic music in brawl has just made me smile

[Kiyosuki]

Too bad it couldn't have been his own game.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/Snake101/1189392885608.jpg


Yes indeed. lol But hey better than nothing right?

[Strike911]

oh man, so effing epic. So effing epic.

This game will be incredible...

Solid Snake, Link, Mario, and Sonic all in one game?! Amazing.

[Global-Trance]

Previous to this update, Pit's icon was numbered as 18, the highest. Now with the unveiling of Sonic, his icon is numbered at 20...

Any guesses as to what icon 19 will be?

Edit: Also it looks like icon 13 is still yet to be unveiled...

01 - Smash Emblem
02 - DK Initials [Donkey Kong Series]
03 - Starfox Insigna [Starfox Series]
04 - Star [Kirby Series]
05 - Falcon Icon [F-Zero Series]
06 - S Logo [Metroid Series]
07 - Mother Symbol [Earthbound Series]
08 - Pokeball [Pokemon Series]
09 - Triforce [Zelda Series]
10 - Mushroom [Mario Series]
11 - Yoshi Egg [Yoshi Series]
12 - Sword [Fire Emblem Series]
13 - ?
14 - Plum [Ice Climber Series]
15 - Leaf [Animal Crossing Series]
16 - Wario's W [Wario Series]
17 - FOX Unit Logo [Metal Gear Solid Series]
18 - Pit's Bow [Kid Icarus Series]
19 - ?
20 - Hedgehog Head [Sonic Series]

[I-n-j-i-n]

Oh god no...

Why that reaction? Though the Sonic games have floundered, I think the Sonic games have a really good cast of characters. I wouldn't put the bad games to the characters themselves.

As long as it's not Big the Cat, I'd be ecstatic if they put an obscure Sonic character in there. Even Shadow would be good.

[KakTheInfected]

Why that reaction? Though the Sonic games have floundered, I think the Sonic games have a really good cast of characters. I wouldn't put the bad games to the characters themselves.

As long as it's not Big the Cat, I'd be ecstatic if they put an obscure Sonic character in there. Even Shadow would be good.

I would tolerate Sonic and Shadow, but Tails or that fucking pink thing? Come on.

On the other hand, I *do* love the cheesy music from the Adventure games. It's good to see Live and Learn is (likely) in.

[Raziellink]

I know, it's cool to have Sonic in. I like Sonic.


I just think ANY other character would've been, more interesting? Solid Snake? HOLY SHIT! Sonic?...meh....


I guess it's just because this wasn't as big a surprise as Snake. Now if this game would've come out 15 years ago....

[Shonen Samurai]

Here's hoping he plays like a cross between Jigglypuff and Sheik.

[Mastertoku]

Sakurai, you magnificent bastard!

This is just splendid. Sonic & Mario co-op is like the dream of everyone who's ever owned both a Genesis and a SNES.

Plus, I hope Live & Learn is the music they're actually using for his stage. At least, I mean, one of the songs... some Green Hill Zone would be nice, too... to be honest, I think Shadow's theme would go in equally well. Maybe even an instrumental version of Chaotix from Heroes...

He looks to be (as expected) the speediest one there, but maybe a little tough to control...

Oh, and incidentally - in the trailer, after Bowser and Peach's inexplicable dancing, Pit appears to be descending from the sky!... does this mean a return of character intros (as with the original Smash Bros.?)

And finally, Ike's taunt (if that's what it is) looks cool.

[DuskyFerret]

Anyone ever notice that whenever a third-party character is introduced, there is always a video of them beating the shit through Mario? First he gets his neck snapped by Snake and then gets run down by Sonic, give the man a break, or an extra life or something.

Also, anyone else reckon Snorlax has gained considerable size in this game? Watching that vid, it looked like he took up the whole freakin stage! That's gonna cause sum major hell in multiplayer.

Oh and a last thought, Sonic's spin against Jiggly's rollout, who wins? Any thoughts? I'm voting for the puffball of power!

[Strike911]

This is so freakin' exciting! It's like ... my little first grade fantasy came true 16 years later! Happy days my friends! Happy days!

I'm just... in awe to see Sonic in motion in those videos. I mean, there was speculation, but seeing him in action is ....


*jaw drops*

I'm so excited.

[Linkjing Donuts]

Here's hoping he plays like a cross between Jigglypuff and Sheik.
ahahahHAHHAHAHAH my two main's


you're all dead

[Forizzle]

What is the link for the new smash trailer?

[Shonen Samurai]

ahahahHAHHAHAHAH my two main's


you're all dead

I play Ness and JP, both of which have not been announced :(

Hopefully Lucas plays enough like my boy Ness

[JackKieser]

Dear god... epic is right. I'm still watching that movie. I'm somewhere around 10-15 views now. Maybe now someone can beat the shit out of Fox, for god's sake. And, Live and Learn? Best possible choice for Sonic music. It's fast, it's energetic, it pumps you up... and it's good. Sure, Green Hill Zone is the obvious one... but it's nowhere near as 'I'm gonna kick your ass' as Live and Learn is.

--Jack Kieser

[Paratha]

So I guess it's time for Megaman now.

[Takashi]

betya money one of his alternate colors is going to be black and red like shadow

[Raziellink]

So I guess it's time for Megaman now.

Amen to that. And Captain Falcon.

[Global-Trance]

ahahahHAHHAHAHAH my two main's


you're all dead

Coming from someone who said Sheik's grabs were weak, 'dead' is looking more and more like a fun time. :P :P :P :P :P

Edit: I still love you.

Also from my previous post a few pages back...

01 - Smash Emblem
02 - DK Initials [Donkey Kong Series]
03 - Starfox Insigna [Starfox Series]
04 - Star [Kirby Series]
05 - Falcon Icon [F-Zero Series]
06 - S Logo [Metroid Series]
07 - Mother Symbol [Earthbound Series]
08 - Pokeball [Pokemon Series]
09 - Triforce [Zelda Series]
10 - Mushroom [Mario Series]
11 - Yoshi Egg [Yoshi Series]
12 - Sword [Fire Emblem Series]
13 - ?
14 - Plum [Ice Climber Series]
15 - Leaf [Animal Crossing Series]
16 - Wario's W [Wario Series]
17 - FOX Unit Logo [Metal Gear Solid Series]
18 - Pit's Bow [Kid Icarus Series]
19 - ?
20 - Hedgehog Head [Sonic Series]

If 1-14 are vets and 15 and higher are new challengers... It looks like 13 might very well be Mr. Game & Watch since he's the only person left who could be a vet who's icon hasn't be unveiled yet.

[KakTheInfected]

So I guess it's time for Megaman now.

I would kill for Megaman X3 music in Brawl.

[Strike911]

Dear god... epic is right. I'm still watching that movie. I'm somewhere around 10-15 views now. Maybe now someone can beat the shit out of Fox, for god's sake. And, Live and Learn? Best possible choice for Sonic music. It's fast, it's energetic, it pumps you up... and it's good. Sure, Green Hill Zone is the obvious one... but it's nowhere near as 'I'm gonna kick your ass' as Live and Learn is.

--Jack Kieser


Live and Learn is cool... I also liked Open your Heart. Mystic Cave Zone would be tight. lol. Any old school level redone with some new music would be awesome. ^_^

But hey, any form of rock music in Smash Bros is welcome. :) That genre was sorely lacking from the smash series (with the exception of the Fzero levels).

This update has made me a giddy fanboy... seriously.

but the delay in Japan and the TBD for North America has made me a little sad since I wanted this game so badly in a month and a half. Man.... at least they're making sure it'll live up to all the hype they're creating... even if they have to delay it.

[Ciel]

Amen to that. And Captain Falcon.

And any Belmont please.

[DuskyFerret]

14 - Plum [Ice Climber Series]

A plum...A PLUM!!! This is an insult sir!:razz:

Any person would clearly notice that this is an eggplant:tomatoface: . The Ice Climbers like eggplants not plums. Can plums grow on the side of ice-capped mountains? didn't think so. But clearly eggplants can and do lest someone prove me wrong.

This thread clearly needs more IC love. Save some Falcon love for the other guys in red and blue.

[Global-Trance]

A plum...A PLUM!!! This is an insult sir!:razz:

Any person would clearly notice that this is an eggplant:tomatoface: . The Ice Climbers like eggplants not plums. Can plums grow on the side of ice-capped mountains? didn't think so. But clearly eggplants can and do lest someone prove me wrong.

This thread clearly needs more IC love. Save some Falcon love for the other guys in red and blue.

Oops. Sorry I just pasted it from a friend. But yea. I figured it was an eggplant. My mistake. :)

Also... new sig. :)

[Raziellink]

A plum...A PLUM!!! This is an insult sir!:razz:

Any person would clearly notice that this is an eggplant:tomatoface: . The Ice Climbers like eggplants not plums. Can plums grow on the side of ice-capped mountains? didn't think so. But clearly eggplants can and do lest someone prove me wrong.

This thread clearly needs more IC love. Save some Falcon love for the other guys in red and blue.

Nerd-alert. Big time....

[nookster]

I got to thinking what would happen if they placed Ash in the game. I know it's stupid, and he'd suck, ...

reading back is fun :D

EDIT:
Oh and Olimar! goddamnit.