Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Kiyosuki]

They have yet to release Captain Falcon.

It's still imperfect.

He's coming. They're saving him for last I know it.

[The Mutericator]

They have yet to release Captain Falcon.

It's still imperfect.

Man does no one pay attention anymore? The same four characters who were unlockable in Smash 64 have yet to be announced. I will bet you money that the first four characters you unlock in Brawl are Jigglypuff for beating the game once, Falcon for beating Adventure or Classic Mode in under a certain amount of time, Ness for beating on of them on a specific difficulty without continuing, and Luigi for doing whatever it was you had to do in 64 to unlock him.

And they won't tell us about them AT ALL.

[Fishy]

...That actually makes sense. I didn't notice that.

[Bigfoot]

Bah, it should be more than 3 mins. Every match is probably going to last more than that.

[Dunther]

So, recording gameplay videos and sending them to your friends. Bet you would have never thought of that, eh?

I was hoping for this feature....but why only 3 minutes? :(

[megadave]

I wish they would quit announcing characters. We already know about how many, 24 or 25. I would like to have a few surprises when the game hits.

[Airwalker]

I wish they would quit announcing characters. We already know about how many, 24 or 25. I would like to have a few surprises when the game hits.

I love surprises too--and yet I can't stop looking at the Dojo.

[Azul v2]

I'm sure all the characters will get spoiled to you anyway. How many of you are going to quit looking at the thread and any smash related news a month before release, go to the store, pick up your copy, turn off your computer, put in the game, and play all the way though to unlock every character and then be surprised about it.

[Sir_NutS]

Man I liked the character-specific break the target stages. Oh well.

The restriction of 3 minutes is probably because of the small size of the wii's storage. If it had a hard drive it wouldn't be much trouble.

[Dunther]

Man I liked the character-specific break the target stages. Oh well.

The restriction of 3 minutes is probably because of the small size of the wii's storage. If it had a hard drive it wouldn't be much trouble.

Well even a SD card can expand this time if is a memory problem...

I hope they will not constrict us to press rec every 3 minutes in a match.

[Mastertoku]

I wonder how and if this is going to figure into Subspace. The targets, I mean.

Also, is this video capture revelation related at all to the blurred button from a couple of posts ago?

[BardicKnowledge]

^^ The blurred button connection seems like a very strong possibility -- maybe the game was delayed to perfect features like the video (and others we aren't aware of...like adding Megaman).

Every time I hear Subspace, I want to fight Snifits and Mouser...they'd better be in the game.

[Azul v2]

Well even a SD card can expand this time if is a memory problem...

I hope they will not constrict us to press rec every 3 minutes in a match.

I don't think they mean for you to record an entire match, just a bit to showcase moves or a cool KO or a comeback or something.

[megadave]

^^ The blurred button connection seems like a very strong possibility -- maybe the game was delayed to perfect features like the video (and others we aren't aware of...like adding Megaman).

Every time I hear Subspace, I want to fight Snifits and Mouser...they'd better be in the game.

Megaman, Snifits, and Mouser? Putting those in Brawl would be like having anal with Elizabeth Hurley in a hot tub while downing a bottle of whiskey.

It's just too good to be true. But we can dream.

[Dunther]

I don't think they mean for you to record an entire match, just a bit to showcase moves or a cool KO or a comeback or something.

What a pity...

[E sharp]

...On the fountain of dreams level, where it plays that kinda epic orchestral music (you know)...

It's an Orchestrated version of the goumet race song from kirby superstar.

[Global-Trance]

I wish they would quit announcing characters. We already know about how many, 24 or 25. I would like to have a few surprises when the game hits.

I'm almost positive we'll have more than 25. Melee had 25 (26 if you're nitpicky and want to count Sheik)... though I don't know what are the chances of G&W and Pichu staying in. If anything Pichu would be eliminated for being the absolute bottom of the bunch.

Edit: Super Mario Bros. 2 USA enemies would be fantastic! I want to see Wart come back!

[TheCatPhysician]

Man I liked the character-specific break the target stages. Oh well.

The restriction of 3 minutes is probably because of the small size of the wii's storage. If it had a hard drive it wouldn't be much trouble.
still though, replays take up barely anything because it's just recording what buttons were pressed when. im pretty sure they will put an option in to somehow record standard matches because it would be retarded not to.

[Drack]

Yeah, if smash has ZSNES style recording (savestate of the start + sequence of inputs + nondeterministics (like which random items appeared)) you could get a TON of video in per unit of file space.

[Arek the Absolute]

Man does no one pay attention anymore? The same four characters who were unlockable in Smash 64 have yet to be announced. I will bet you money that the first four characters you unlock in Brawl are Jigglypuff for beating the game once, Falcon for beating Adventure or Classic Mode in under a certain amount of time, Ness for beating on of them on a specific difficulty without continuing, and Luigi for doing whatever it was you had to do in 64 to unlock him.

And they won't tell us about them AT ALL.

for once i agree with you

i was telling my friend this a week ago
i was saying that it might be like a way of sakurai nodding at the original smash bros

ps - to get luigi you had to beat all the break the targets

[Dunther]

Yeah, if smash has ZSNES style recording (savestate of the start + sequence of inputs + nondeterministics (like which random items appeared)) you could get a TON of video in per unit of file space.

I had the same idea...but I prefer something that in some ways can be converted in a PC format...

[Arek the Absolute]

It's an Orchestrated version of the goumet race song from kirby superstar.

yet noone ever recognizes that
i give you a major hi 5 for being one of the few that does

[Geoffrey Taucer]

yet noone ever recognizes that
i give you a major hi 5 for being one of the few that does

What do you mean nobody recognizes that? I thought everybody knew it was from Gourmet Race.

[Ralphis]

yet noone ever recognizes that
i give you a major hi 5 for being one of the few that does

Maybe in bizzaro world no one recognizes it?

[Arek the Absolute]

you will be amazed at how many people thought it was an original

[Neo Samus]

you will be amazed at how many people thought it was an original

I believe those would be the people that have never played a Kirby game in their life.....or don't give a shit about game music in general.

[MechaFone]

Okay, here's a character I'm pretty sure no one has mentioned or has even thought of...I'm not sure how it goes, if it's Wex or Dex, but the main character from Wild 9. He's got that Rig weapon, the grabbing beam weapon that can grab any character, no matter it's size or weight, and use it to kill, maime, or otherwise torture them. It's probably a little graphic for Brawl, but man, what fun you could have.

[Thalzon]

Wild 9 was a Playstation game, though. Sure, it's fun to fantasize, but maybe that's why nobody thought of it.

[Strike911]

neato. 3 minutes isn't much though. Not much at all. I guess camera mode in Brawl will have a video recording option instead of just snapshots. :) So is that what you think that blurred out option was during the camera update a few weeks ago?

[atmuh]

after playing halo for a month and having it pretty much fully records every single match you play with full freedom of camera when replaying it this is weak
so yeah replays are great and everything but three minutes ARE YOU KIDDING ME
once again nintendo tries to do what other companies have done but does it terribly

[Gerbah]

I believe those would be the people that have never played a Kirby game in their life.....or don't give a shit about game music in general.
Hey, I played Kirby Super Star! Just not the Gourmet Race a whole ton to recognize it... And yes, I knew it was from Kirby, not original. And... I like game music... Man, hopefully no one has it out for me now? (Some emoticon)

[MechaFone]

Nobody cept Kirby. He's gonna whip out his cooking pot and roast ya alive for not knowing that one song! Also, he's going to undercook some pufferfish and force it down your throat.

[Arek the Absolute]

that was lame there dude

[Zup]

after playing halo for a month and having it pretty much fully records every single match you play with full freedom of camera when replaying it this is weak
so yeah replays are great and everything but three minutes ARE YOU KIDDING ME
once again nintendo tries to do what other companies have done but does it terribly

Yeah, that crappy motions sensing thing they stole from Sony really sucks. The D-pad was a horrible choice (they stole it from sony and joysticks were really better anyway) and rumble was stolen from that kid who had too much coffee while playing Super Mario Brothers.

Yeah, Nintendo tries to do what other companies have done and fails miserably.

[Arek the Absolute]

he hella burned you there atma
i gotta agree with him man

also, three minutes is a LONG time in smash bros. most matches i play last around 1-2 minutes. the only matches that i play that last longer are just fuck around ffa matches

[Linkjing Donuts]

Man I liked the character-specific break the target stages. Oh well.

The restriction of 3 minutes is probably because of the small size of the wii's storage. If it had a hard drive it wouldn't be much trouble.
aww what. i was under the impression that everyone had their own 5 stages. target isn't as fun when you can do a certain map faster with a certain character.

[atmuh]

Yeah, that crappy motions sensing thing they stole from Sony really sucks. The D-pad was a horrible choice (they stole it from sony and joysticks were really better anyway) and rumble was stolen from that kid who had too much coffee while playing Super Mario Brothers.

Yeah, Nintendo tries to do what other companies have done and fails miserably.

lulz
they hopped on the online scheme and managed to make it suck
now theyre adding replays and limiting you to a ridiculous degree
3 MINUTES? thats 1 MAYBE 2 matches

i probably have hours of halo matches that automatically saved
and yeah you can send those too
as well as take screenshots right in the middle of a saved video

oh and in halo you can FULLY customise EVERY possible option in multiplayer matches, and save tons of custom configurations
if nintendo doesnt do the same ill be pretty pissed

all of you wont because youre really good at justifying the really shoddy jobs nintendo does in some respects



and yeah only having 5 break the targets stages is retarded
BUT ITS OUTSIDE NOW
oh ok nintendo good job

[Necrotic]

lulz
they hopped on the online scheme and managed to make it suck
now theyre adding replays and limiting you to a ridiculous degree
3 MINUTES? thats 1 MAYBE 2 matches

i probably have hours of halo matches that automatically saved
and yeah you can send those too
as well as take screenshots right in the middle of a saved video

oh and in halo you can FULLY customise EVERY possible option in multiplayer matches, and save tons of custom configurations
if nintendo doesnt do the same ill be pretty pissed

all of you wont because youre really good at justifying the really shoddy jobs nintendo does in some respects



and yeah only having 5 break the targets stages is retarded
BUT ITS OUTSIDE NOW
oh ok nintendo good job


Only problem is it's never going to change in this case because the game is still going to sell no matter what we get out of it. If the game was in jeopardy in terms of sales, Nintendo would have to compete harder. Sucks that that's not really the case now is it.

I think part of it has to do with the fact that the internal storage in the system is so limited. But uhh, duh Nintendo why do you think SD memory cards exist. I have a 2GB card in my Wii and I'm waiting for a game to actually take advantage of it. (I bought it for multi-purpose use but it really gets no use otherwise so I just keep in in my Wii, you know, 'just in case'.)

It's terrible and stupid just like their online system but it's Smash Bros so we're pretty much condemned to getting it unless the gameplay is terrible by some fluke.


-Nick

[I-n-j-i-n]

I actually expect the online aspect to be riddled with problems as it was the case for just about all Nintendo online games so far.

But it obviously doesn't need it. I played single player just fine for majority of SSBM matches. If you can just go online and even use the horrible friendlist to do so, it'll be good enough.

[friendlyHunter]

When the game comes out, Sakurai will make a correction on the website:

Did I say 3 minutes? I meant 3 days! You see, in my job, days seem like minutes, and minutes seem like days. Basically, I salivate at the thought of speed runs.


most matches i play last around 1-2 minutes.

How on earth do you do that? When I play, more than 1 KO in the first minute of a match is pretty rare. Do you play with stock set to 1? And bob-ombs, motion mines, and hammers set to highest?

I greatly prefer drawn-out matches. I'm not sure how long stock matches usually take for me (normally with 5-7 lives), but when I play timed (which is rare), it's usually 7-10 minutes.


Hmmm... re-reading the Dojo announcement... it seems to maybe suggest that you can only SEND 3-minute replays? Perhaps it means to say that you can only record 3-minute long replays, but can record as many of these 3-minute replays as you want. Three minutes total just seems..... weird.


and yeah only having 5 break the targets stages is retarded
Actually, I think it's better. Previously, each character could only play 1 stage. Now, each character can play FIVE stages!! By the way, I'm not being sarcastic. Each stage-character combination will be a completely unique speedrun experience! That is, if you're trying to get a decent time...

[MechaFone]

that was lame there dude

I know. I'm sorry.

[Broken]

lulz
they hopped on the online scheme and managed to make it suck
now theyre adding replays and limiting you to a ridiculous degree
3 MINUTES? thats 1 MAYBE 2 matches

i probably have hours of halo matches that automatically saved
and yeah you can send those too
as well as take screenshots right in the middle of a saved video

oh and in halo you can FULLY customise EVERY possible option in multiplayer matches, and save tons of custom configurations
if nintendo doesnt do the same ill be pretty pissed

all of you wont because youre really good at justifying the really shoddy jobs nintendo does in some respects



and yeah only having 5 break the targets stages is retarded
BUT ITS OUTSIDE NOW
oh ok nintendo good job

I think you're taking the whole video recording thing out of context. It, like most of the other additions that everyone is salavting over in this game, is "something extra" or "something new to smash." If you compare SSB to other games, then of course it's going to come up short.

Why can't we have 16 player lan games like in Halo?
Why can't we record hour long, or at least ten minute long matches like in Halo?
Why is the internet play mode so lackluster as compared to Halo, Gears ofWar, or (insert x-box game of choice)?

Compared to Melee, these new additions are actually a step foward. That's why we should be comparing the next super smash bros. game to its predecesor, not Halo or some other game on an entirely different system with different hardware from a different company.

Now, I'm not justifying the way Nintendo handles their internet or how they designed their system, but comparing different games to one another is often an exercise in futility. Especially when one of those games hasn't even dropped into stores yet.

[Hum4n After All]

Hahahahaha.
Stupid tart and his rants on the record feature.
Why are you whining over that? Of all the things to complain about.
"OH NOOOOOO! 3 minutes!!?! FUCK THIS GAME!"

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Changing the subject: HOLY SHIT AWESOME REMIX OF THE JUNGLE JAPES THEME IN THE DK VIDEO.

That is all.

[Effector]

Hahahahaha.
Stupid tart and his rants on the record feature.
Why are you whining over that? Of all the things to complain about.
"OH NOOOOOO! 3 minutes!!?! FUCK THIS GAME!"

I agree for the most part.

Mainly, think about this. If they hadn't added this feature at all, you might think it would be kind of cool to have it, but once they put anything in at all, everyone finds something to complain about. How silly.

[atmuh]

of course ill get this game
of course ill love this game

but i seriously doubt i will play anything but local one on one matches
i might make an exception every once in a while but, lets say, to play someone online in it, it is a bit of a hassle as i have to contact them in some way and then both be in smash at the same time

i am simply pointing out nintendos attempts to do great things but falling far short in some respects

over the past year ive pretty much flipped from being a faggy fanboy to someone who looks at everything equally

and im pretty critical of any things that i think could be improved

[Bigfoot]

I could care less about online or being able to record matches. I doubt I'll be playing online a lot. I'll mostly just be playing with my friends. If people want to see matches, they'll be on youtube or whatever that people recorded using a capture card/digital camera.

These features just add to an already good game. Complaining about added extras is stupid. Then again, everyone would complain either way if you look at it.

Nintendo didn't add online/record replays: NINTENDO SUCKS, GAMES NEED ONLINE
Nintendo adds online/record replays: NINTENDO SUCKS, THIS ONLINE SUCKS

[Hum4n After All]

I would have to agree with you Taucer.
I can't wait to unlock the sound test on Brawl.
Well that is if you have to unlock it, which is most likely you will have to do since that's what had to be done in the past 2 games.

[TheCatPhysician]

Nintendo didn't add online/record replays: NINTENDO SUCKS, GAMES NEED ONLINE
Nintendo adds online/record replays: NINTENDO SUCKS, THIS ONLINE SUCKS

nintendo has their stuff that makes them cool, but you have to admit that nintendo fucking sucks in the online department. they could easily add options but they have to keep it as simple as possible, even though it doesn't take a computer geek to figure out how to start an online match on something with options like xbox live or battle.net

and they're paranoid about ANY exchange of information with strangers for some reason. you can't even read each other's TAUNTS. it's too bad nintendo has to make their stuff friendly to retarded babies or something. and why wouldn't they just let you choose to record more than 3 minutes if you wanted to? it's your space, you should be able to choose how you want to manage it. hell they could just make the default option set to the 3 minute limit or whatever and then give options to change stuff for people who want them, but they have to keep it as absolutely simple as possible for some reason.

[Scufo]

In this day and age, good online play is STANDARD. Especially for a game with such developed multiplayer as SSB. There's really no excuse for Nintendo's horrible online components. Yes, what they're giving us is an improvement over Melee, but I don't think it's right to compare Brawl only to its predecessor. Online gaming on consoles has improved vastly in the past several years, and Nintendo is far behind.

And three minutes TOTAL for replays? Come on.

[Cerrax]

I think the problem here is that Nintendo is cramming a lot of stuff into Brawl, but its not terribly good or better than previous attempts.

I think the general stand for everyone (at least here) is: "Don't do something unless you're going to do it right". Nintendo sucks at online, but they wanted to give Brawl online play. So they half-assed it and did a mediocre job at online play. It disappointing when a company who clearly recognizes the popularity and high respect a game like SSB has, but neglects to put their best foot forward in all aspects of the game.

Another reason I think people are pointing out Halo 3, is that Bungie and Nintendo both have almost no experience with making replays, but the difference is that Bungie put in the time and effort to learn how to make an excellent replay viewer, while Nintendo stuck with an old, outdated "Only 3 Minutes" scheme.

Compare Halo 2 to Halo 3. Then compare Melee to Brawl. The amount of innovation that went into Halo 3 versus Brawl is (as far as we know at this point) is much more.

Halo 3
-completely new play mechanic (forge)
-deeper game customization
-full-fledged replay viewer with screen capture built-in
-new control scheme
-deeper appearance customization-
-more weapons and vehicles
-better graphics and sound

Brawl
-slightly tweaked play mechanics
-new single-player mode
-deeper game customization
-simple 3 minute replay viewer
-3 new control schemes
-new items and characters
-slightly higher graphics
-limited online play

[Paratha]

But there's no Captain Falcon in Halo.

[Cerrax]

But there's no Captain Falcon in Halo.

For all we know, he's not in Brawl either :P

[Dhsu]

I think he's got you there, Cerrax.

[Imagery]

nintendo has their stuff that makes them cool, but you have to admit that nintendo fucking sucks in the online department. they could easily add options but they have to keep it as simple as possible, even though it doesn't take a computer geek to figure out how to start an online match on something with options like xbox live or battle.net

I have to agree on a basic level, and this has always been the case with Nintendo. Their website is nowhere near as useful as other game companies' websites (you mentioned battle.net, which is a great example), and the information, especially about specific games not yet released, is often limited and out-of-date.

And three minutes TOTAL for replays? Come on.

Why is everyone so convinced this is the case? Sakurai's words: "You can record about three minutes worth of replay data." For one thing, the word "about" kind of leads me to believe this isn't some kind of absolute cap due to memory limitations. For another, it doesn't say "you can only record..." or "you can store..." which leads me to think if anything this is more of a limitation per file, with as many files as desired being recorded. Notice the "SD Card" option on the last screenshot? I'm thinking that just like with the Snapshots feature, you can record as many ~3-minute replays as you can store on the system memory and SD Cards, which can be accessed and sent and whatever that third feature he's not showing us is at any time. This sort of makes sense from Nintendo's "baby the consumer" philosophy, too, because with such limited memory on the Wii they probably don't want to fill it up by automatically recording or allowing players to unwittingly record more than they have the space to store. Sure it's no Halo, but then Wii is no 360 just as 360 is no Wii.

EDIT: Also, what sense would it make that each person could only store three minutes when there's a send feature? If people are thinking the Wii can't handle more than three minutes, then logically you couldn't even receive a friend's video data without having less/none of your own data. That's just stupid, and not even Nintendo is that dumb.

[DJ SymBiotiX]

See I really dont understand how people think its 3 minutes total. I mean, when I first read it, that didnt even come in to thought. All I thought was "3 minutes per match, cool". Its definitely not 3 MINUTES TOTAL FOREVER OH NOES!!!... seriously.. I really dont get how people would think its 3 minutes total.

In other news, this game looks like its going to be very amazing.

[Azul v2]

See I really dont understand how people think its 3 minutes total. I mean, when I first read it, that didnt even come in to thought. All I thought was "3 minutes per match, cool". Its definitely not 3 MINUTES TOTAL FOREVER OH NOES!!!... seriously.. I really dont get how people would think its 3 minutes total.

In other news, this game looks like its going to be very amazing.

Simple, people fail to read, like with the last online update. You'd think that America's schools today would teach reading comprehension, but I guess as time passes those skills are left out of the curriculum.

[JackKieser]

Well, even if it's only ~3 min. per match... that's still not a lot. I mean, a great deal of matches I play go on almost 6-8 minutes. Plus, it's not like you can pick and choose when to record during a match; after all, it's not like we can go, "Hey, start the recorder; I'm about to get this awesome combo on Fox that sends him into 2 motion bombs and KO him with the bat!"

--Jack Kieser

[Imagery]

I'm not saying Nintendo's anywhere near on-par with their online functionality, but it's really just tiring now when people freak out about supposed atrocities based on limited, preliminary information that hardly even warrants such behavior. Give it a rest. We don't even know exactly how good or bad it will be yet, and everyone seems to want it to take a turn for the worse just so they can complain more.

[nookster]

See I really dont understand how people think its 3 minutes total. I mean, when I first read it, that didnt even come in to thought. All I thought was "3 minutes per match, cool". Its definitely not 3 MINUTES TOTAL FOREVER OH NOES!!!... seriously.. I really dont get how people would think its 3 minutes total.

In other news, this game looks like its going to be very amazing.

Simple, people fail to read, like with the last online update. You'd think that America's schools today would teach reading comprehension, but I guess as time passes those skills are left out of the curriculum.

Qfe

ten characters

[Paratha]

Holy Fuck Yes

[Arek the Absolute]

Oh Shit Dedede
snap

[KWarp]

DEDEDE!!!! HUZZAH!!! :grin:

[Global-Trance]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/kingdedede/kingdedede.jpg

I CALLED IT FROM DAY 1. I AM POURING TEARS OF JOY.

[nookster]

Fuck. Way to waste a character slot :S
Ahwell, maybe he plays interesting

[nohero]

Are you fucking kidding me? I'd given up hope on this one.
I sure as shit wouldn't make him the same weight class as Bowser though. Fuck, is he gonna be able to fly?
This renews the hope that was extinguished with the DK video that K. Rool might make an appearance too :D

[Shonen Samurai]

YES YES YES YES YES

dedededededededede

[DuskyFerret]

Hell YEAH, score one for the baddies!!!

King Dedede theme FTW

On a completely different theme, to all those complaining about the online component, keep in mind this game's release was substantially delayed for various reasons. Who knoes whether there gonna spend this time refining the online gameplay or not. Don't just come to conclusions yet.

And also for the record:

Halo 3 = FPS
SSBB = Fighting game
They are a bit different doncha think?

[Arek the Absolute]

kind of late but shut up cerrax

[Strike911]

EPIC!!!

Wow!! DEDEDE! I'm ... surprised! I'm happy. I really dig the pic of him getting carried around. haha.

But...... I just don't know how to say his name, back when the SNES was around and they had Nintendo kiosks in stores where you could watch promo video's they always called said his name like 'Duh-Day-Day'. Now when I hear it on TV and stuff it's 'Dee-Dee-Dee'.

Any official pronunciation because I'm totally in the dark on how the hell to say his name?


totally excited though. :)

EDIT: AND... I wonder if he'll have his southern accent from the Television show. haha.

[Wipomatic]

Fuck. Way to waste a character slot :S
Ahwell, maybe he plays interesting

How the fuck is that wasting a character slot?

[Eulogic]

playable team of four waddle dees confirmed

[cobaltstarfire]

But...... I just don't know how to say his name, back when the SNES was around and they had Nintendo kiosks in stores where you could watch promo video's they always called said his name like 'Duh-Day-Day'. Now when I hear it on TV and stuff it's 'Dee-Dee-Dee'.

If that's (Dedede) how his name is spelt in Japanese it's most likely Deh-Deh-Deh.

I have always called him Deedeedee though.

Also, awesome, I look forward to playing as him.

[Global-Trance]

Usual sig per awesome update.

[TheCatPhysician]

Usual sig per awesome update.

too bad the dk/diddy one only lasted a couple days, that was my favorite

[friendlyHunter]

Teehee! It's him! I'm pretty sure it's pronounced "dee dee dee". Up until a couple years ago, I followed the damn "silent e" rule and thought it was "king de-deed" :oops:

Kirby's been seen using a new aerial hammer move in Subspace Emissary (one that actually looked useful)... but was that his new sideways-special move, or was it stolen from Dedede??? I'm personally hoping that Kirby has no hammer move (unless it's stolen from Dedede, or other Subspace baddies), saving his side-special move for something more interesting.

Bombs? Sword? Fire? Electricity? ....WHEEL??!!?!

It would be awesome if Jigglypuff kept her spinning move (or, a less suicidal and more fun variation of it rather), and then Kirby could steal it and turn into a wheel ^_^

[Global-Trance]

too bad the dk/diddy one only lasted a couple days, that was my favorite

Yea it's definitely a good one. Sorry but I have to try to be hip and trendy and be on top of everything.

[Kiyosuki]

ohhhh shit. Dedede. You guys have been asking for him for years, I remember it.

Anyone who thinks thats a waste of a slot...

....no.

[Mastertoku]

Wow. Three characters for the Kirby slot! This is... well, to say the least, a bit confusing, but I'm delighted to see it!

I hope this means we can expect the same lavish treatment of all the franchises... but then again, Kirby is Sakurai's brainchild, so perhaps he's just giving the series the attention he thought it deserved in the first place. Smash Bros-wise. Do we know approx. how many characters total will be in this?...

Heh. I'm looking forward to hearing Snake's briefing on the King...

"Otacon! There's a penguin waving a mallet around!..."

[MasterSenshi]

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I"M TALKING ABOUT!

Ok, so if we get Ganon back, that'll be 3 boss characters with Dedede in now... this is so sweet. I'm sorta glad I'm up at nearly 3 AM here. :p

I think I'll abstain from Smash blog for a while. I want some surprises when I get the game... although I'm not sure if I can avoid all game news until Feb. Hmmm.... this sucks in a good way. :)

[Ray Falling]

EPIC!!!

EDIT: AND... I wonder if he'll have his southern accent from the Television show. haha.

For some reason I picture him with the voice of Mr. T n_n

[Imagery]

I think I said a while back nothing could convince me more to buy this game than Diddy being playable.

I was wrong.

[Wintermute]

King Dedede pronounced:

King Day-day-day. Emphasis on the first and last, so it's kind of like saying "Day to day" very quickly, with the 'to' being a middle 'duh' sound, i.e. DAYduhDAY.

Hope that helps.

edit: Just to clarify, this is my (slightly informed) opinion, and may be incorrect. Best results will occur when we hear the smash bros. announcer.

[Bigfoot]

Wow, this is awesome.

The way things are going, maybe Ridley really is a possibility.

[KyleJCrb]

Am I the only one who noticed that one of the Smash Target maps is shaped like Arizona? Of course I'm probably the only one who noticed or cares, especially since it's now OLD NEWS (OMG DEDEDE)... Just thought it interesting.

[SwordBreaker]

OH...MY...GOD...

King DeDeDe being playable is so cool! A Nintendo fanboy's dream come true...and it's getting better by the update!

[Geoffrey Taucer]

AWWWWWWWWWWWSHIT!

Awesome news.

[Dunther]

Changing the subject: HOLY SHIT AWESOME REMIX OF THE JUNGLE JAPES THEME IN THE DK VIDEO.

That is all.

If they even this time will not make a complete Soundtrack disc (that I will buy) I will kill'em!


Wow, this is awesome.

The way things are going, maybe Ridley really is a possibility.

I think Ridley will be in as a boss....his dimensions cannot allow him to join the playable characters....

[Alpine Flame]

If they even this time will not make a complete Soundtrack disc (that I will buy) I will kill'em!




I think Ridley will be in as a boss....his dimensions cannot allow him to join the playable characters....

Allow me to play devil's advocate for a second here... but isnt Metal ridley... a bit.. smaller? Anyway, I dont foresee a playable ridley. Maybe a possessed fusion suit. That would be fun. EPIC RIDLEY BOSS FIGHT!!!!!8O

[Cavanikus]

Maybe Ridley will be boss for the single player mode like petey piranha just a thought. DEDEDE with special waddle Dee throwing move that would make my life complete

[Zeklan]

I knew we'd get a character today.
A week and a half of lack-luster updates had to lead to something.

Also, I predict a special move update tomorrow. (Dedede's)

[Cecilff2]

Allow me to play devil's advocate for a second here... but isnt Metal ridley... a bit.. smaller? Anyway, I dont foresee a playable ridley. Maybe a possessed fusion suit. That would be fun. EPIC RIDLEY BOSS FIGHT!!!!!8O

Living Chozo Statue for Brawl 08.

[Airwalker]

King Dedede pronounced:

King Day-day-day. Emphasis on the first and last, so it's kind of like saying "Day to day" very quickly, with the 'to' being a middle 'duh' sound, i.e. DAYduhDAY.

Hope that helps.

edit: Just to clarify, this is my (slightly informed) opinion, and may be incorrect. Best results will occur when we hear the smash bros. announcer.

I think we can all agree the only way to pronounce it is the Carlos Mencia way (http://deeddee.ytmnd.com/).

Gosh, I hate that guy.

[Infinity's End]

Whoever was talking about Ridley as playable needs to rethink their options... Although undeniably cool, Ridley is about 3X-4X the size of Samus, or any other character, for that matter. So shrinking him down would just be an insult to the character itself.

I'm really excited to play as Dedede, I had a hunch he was going to be playable this time around! I still wonder what those 2 other worlds that we haven't seen yet are going to be...

Has anyone thought that they might put Mii's as a character? Think of it: They just have to pop your head on a generic body (or even a Mii body), give you some move sets, and bam! Mii fighter. They really need to do something along these lines.

[eternal Zero]

Please, not the Mencia way. It's really just D D D. As if saying the letter three times. Though, the Japanese way to say it is most definitely "deh deh deh". But hot damn I want to know his final smash.

[Sir_NutS]

King Dedede, About time.

[Triad Orion]

But, as addressed earlier, Ridley would be one bad ass boss for Subspace Emissary. If Ridley's not in THERE, at least, I will be deeply saddened because Ridley's frigging awesome.

As for the update? Never been much of a Kirby player, but I am thrilled to see Dedede, because now there's probably a hammer-character to play as rather than all the silly sword-characters. Only way THAT could get cooler is if they introduced Hector as playable... >>

Anyway, Dedede looks like he'll be a blast to play. Nothing like a penguin looking thing with a big honkin' hammer. Joy. :)

[BardicKnowledge]

Too bad he probably won't float -- I want him to play like he fights in Kirby's Adventure...but that more than likely won't happen.

I'd settle for a massive swallow/throw move. Anyone else a fan of using Kirby to shoot stars at people in Smash?

[DjSammyG]

The self-proclaimed king of Dream Land formally joins the brawl! Mechanizing his wooden mallet, he delivers a mighty, earth-shaking blow!

He joins as a member of the heavyweight class alongside Bowser and Donkey Kong. Can he defeat Kirby?!
iCame.

10char

[E sharp]

Wow. Three characters for the Kirby slot! This is... well, to say the least, a bit confusing, but I'm delighted to see it!

I hope this means we can expect the same lavish treatment of all the franchises... but then again, Kirby is Sakurai's brainchild, so perhaps he's just giving the series the attention he thought it deserved in the first place. Smash Bros-wise. Do we know approx. how many characters total will be in this?...

Heh. I'm looking forward to hearing Snake's briefing on the King...

"Otacon! There's a penguin waving a mallet around!..."

Isn't Smash Bros. based off the idea of a kirby superstar where players can fight each other instead of just the computer? So, why not put in characters from the inspirational game in smash.

The first thing I though of when I played smash was . o O (this games's just like kirby superstar only I'm fighting my friends.). When I played KSS I always wished they'd make a game just like it where people could battle each other. A fighting game with simple controls just like KSS, and that's all smash bros. is really. Not to mention both are made by halken laboratory.

[Eulogic]

Whoever was talking about Ridley as playable needs to rethink their options... Although undeniably cool, Ridley is about 3X-4X the size of Samus, or any other character, for that matter. So shrinking him down would just be an insult to the character itself.

Bowser is often depicted as being many times the size of Mario, and Kirby is supposed to be a few inches tall. Of course, Ridley has already been seen in the Smash Bros. series as being roughly the size of Samus, if you'll watch the Melee intro video. I've never been all that huge on the idea of Ridley for Brawl, but size certainly does not prevent his inclusion.

[Bigfoot]

I don't see why Ridley can't be a playable character. Pikachu is a giant in Melee, and Bowser is a lot smaller than what he should be.

[Alpine Flame]

Living Chozo Statue for Brawl 08.

I'll one-up you. Mother brain and omega mteroid for brawl. (as bosses)

Also, Ridley would be fun. Begin holding breath. That is all.

[Bigfoot]

Just bring in Dark Samus. She'd be fun to play floating around, shooting phazon all over the place and melting faces.

[Alpine Flame]

I can see tournaments now....

HEY HEY YOU! If you're gonna play dark samus, no floating around! In fact, Dark Samus is now banned and you are disqualified.

But Dark Samus with possessed suit costume for the win. Epic win.

[Neo Samus]

Giant infant Metroid for Assist Trophy. Drains a portion of life from victim and gives to player that used the assist.

Also, King Dedede FTMFW!!!

[Scufo]

Giant infant Metroid for Assist Trophy. Drains a portion of life from victim and gives to player that used the assist.

Also, King Dedede FTMFW!!!
Actually I think it's pretty likely that a metroid will be an assist trophy. I'm thinking more like...a swarm of metroids though. And yeah, it should definitely leech life like that.

And all we need now is Ganondorf with a new moveset and the villain roster will be complete!

[Alpine Flame]

Actually I think it's pretty likely that a metroid will be an assist trophy. I'm thinking more like...a swarm of metroids though. And yeah, it should definitely leech life like that.

And all we need now is Ganondorf with a new moveset and the villain roster will be complete!

I foresee adventure mode for the "villains" being different than the normal one, where the normal bosses are replaced with the good guys. That is all. Please elaborate illustrious community of OCR.

[Eulogic]

I heard tales of a metroid AT in the demo, but never saw one in the videos, so I don't know how reliable the rumor is.

[Brithor]

Speaking of villains, I've always wondered why some of the F-Zero baddies like Black Shadow, Blood Falcon (Capt. Falcon clone anyone?) or Zoda haven't appeared in Smash. Think about it, they'd make excellent playable characters.
I would love to see another F-Zero universe playable character, seeing as there is a massive list of them they have plenty to choose from.

But I'd like to see Sakurai post Capt. Falcon already first... :( where's Falcon?

[Drack]

None of the original 4 secret characters - Luigi, Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon, and Ness - have had any mention whatsoever on the Dojo.

I seriously doubt they'd be cut, save perhaps Ness.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Speaking of villains, I've always wondered why some of the F-Zero baddies like Black Shadow, Blood Falcon (Capt. Falcon clone anyone?) or Zoda haven't appeared in Smash. Think about it, they'd make excellent playable characters.
I would love to see another F-Zero universe playable character, seeing as there is a massive list of them they have plenty to choose from.

But I'd like to see Sakurai post Capt. Falcon already first... :( where's Falcon?

This has come up and been answered about thirty times. They have not yet mentioned Luigi, Falcon, Jigglypuff, or Ness. These, among others, are unlockables in previous games, and will probably continue to be unlockables. They will most likely not be mentioned until the game is released.

[Steben]

None of the original 4 secret characters - Luigi, Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon, and Ness - have had any mention whatsoever on the Dojo.

I seriously doubt they'd be cut, save perhaps Ness.

YOU SHUT YOUR FILTHY, DIRTY MOUTH

I will cry if Lucas completly replaces Ness. Unless they provide Lucas with a alternate costume that includes a Power Glove. That'd be so bad.

[Wanderer]

YESS!!

THANK YOUU HAL, this lineup for new characters is beautiful already.

[Bigfoot]

Actually I think it's pretty likely that a metroid will be an assist trophy. I'm thinking more like...a swarm of metroids though. And yeah, it should definitely leech life like that.

And all we need now is Ganondorf with a new moveset and the villain roster will be complete!

The only worthy Metroid of becoming an AT would be this lovely creature: http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1171/babymetroidoq6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

It would fly in, randomly sucking the life out of someone, then covering you and protecting you while replenishing your health.

[Neo Samus]

The only worthy Metroid of becoming an AT would be this lovely creature: http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1171/babymetroidoq6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

It would fly in, randomly sucking the life out of someone, then covering you and protecting you while replenishing your health.


That's excatly what I was thinking too!! I posted it a page back.

Great minds think alike.

[Bigfoot]

That's excatly what I was thinking too!! I posted it a page back.

Great minds think alike.

Oh wow, somehow skipped your post haha. Didn't mean to steal your thunder. :P

[E sharp]

They need to give Gannon the sword from Melee. That sword pissed so many people off. You win the match and he whips out this massive sword. grrrr. If they put him in without it I'll be pretty angry.

[Brithor]

This has come up and been answered about thirty times. They have not yet mentioned Luigi, Falcon, Jigglypuff, or Ness. These, among others, are unlockables in previous games, and will probably continue to be unlockables. They will most likely not be mentioned until the game is released.

I know, but I can still hope, right?
I want to see Falcon in Wii style.

[Jaybell]

Heh. Wasn't expecting that. The more I think about it, the more excited I get. I mean, it's fucking Dedede!

But if they don't have the Mt. Dedede theme from Kirby's Dream Land, then it's all for naught. NAUGHT, I say!

[SilverStar]

Dunno if anyone has posted this yet or anything.. but it looks like Krystal might be in the game as well.

http://www.alesiaglidewell.com/vo_games.htm

Super Smash Brothers Brawl Krystal from Starfox, Knuckle Joe from Kirby & Zero Suit Samus from Metroid

[Bigfoot]

Wait, who?

j/k

[Neo Samus]

Damn work....blocking everything. What does the article say, and is it valid? Also Bigfoot, it's cool that you were try to steal my thunder. :P Hehe.

[linkspast]

all that means is she speaks in the game, I doubt she`d be playable

[Neo Samus]

all that means is she speaks in the game, I doubt she`d be playable

Maybe she'll be an assist?

[Scufo]

Ugh. UGH. I don't think Sakurai would be so cruel to put her in.

[Imagery]

Maybe she'll just have a tiny cameo in Fox's portion of Adventure Mode.

Please let her just have a tiny cameo...

[Brithor]

I don't think she's worthy of being playable, Assist Trophy is good enough IMO.

[Hum4n After All]

I knew it.

[Bigfoot]

If she's in, then Apple Kid and Orange Kid are in as a tag team.

[MechaFone]

Note: Not to be taken seriously...




Bob And George enter the ring!

[Brithor]

If she's in, then Apple Kid and Orange Kid are in as a tag team.

Ahaha, that would be so much better than Ice Climbers lol

[Baleshadow]

If she's in, then Apple Kid and Orange Kid are in as a tag team.

I just shat my pants from the sheer awesomeness of this idea.

[The Author]

I just shat my pants from the sheer awesomeness of this idea.

CODE BROWN, CODE BROWN...

And for gods sake, bring a mop...

[Strike911]

A lot of sites are verfying that URL for Krystal as true.

cool. So either an Assist or Playable.

I think she'll function well as either... there is an apparent lack of new female characters... I mean, ZSS is cool and all, but she's essentially shiek from the future with a gun. Hehe. ^_~

I'm cool either way. I've never been a fan of Krystal, but a playable character that has a staff would be really darn cool.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

I want to hear a fully produced version of Dedede's theme for Brawl. That would fucking rule.

[Airwalker]

Yeah, she also claims to have voiced Knuckle Joe, but I doubt Knuckle Joe would be a playable unless they have a huge cast of playable characters.

Still, what's wrong with Krystal being playable?

[Brushfire]

What if Nintendo makes the greatest mistake of all?

SLIPPY AS A PLAYABLE CHARACTER....

That would be far worse than having Krystal as a playable character. I agree with that other guy. Brawl needs more tits.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

What if Nintendo makes the greatest mistake of all?

SLIPPY AS A PLAYABLE CHARACTER....

That would be far worse than having Krystal as a playable character. I agree with that other guy. Brawl needs more tits.

Slippy would be good as a playable character, just because he/she/it would be fun to beat the shit out of.

[Bigfoot]

Every time Slippy gets hit "FOX, GET THIS GUY OFF ME!"

[Brushfire]

Slippy would be good as a playable character, just because he/she/it would be fun to beat the shit out of.


That would make a better assist trophy. You'd throw slippy into the match, beat the ever loving frog snot outta whatever it's gender is, and he/she/it would hwarf up food to heal.

Come to think of it, that is pretty gross.

[Eulogic]

Still, what's wrong with Krystal being playable?

She hasn't been in any good games.

If they're really itching for playable females, I'd much rather see Alice (Balloon Kid), Mona (WarioWare), Alex Roivas (Eternal Darkness), or Midna (Twilight Princess), among others. Hell, I'd rather have that archer chick from one of the GBA Fire Emblem games than Krystal.

[Bigfoot]

Midna would be pretty sweet.

[Baleshadow]

There are worse playable additions than Krystal. Like, as has already been mentioned, Slippy. A staff user would be neat, but I think I would prefer a female Fire Emblem character.

And Midna had better be in this game in some way. Best Legend of Zelda character in any of the games, by far.

[supremespleen]

Midna would be pretty sweet.Oh wow, I forgot about her. Though I'd love her love her love her as a character, she'd probably have a higher chance of getting in as an assist trophy.

[Dunther]

Maybe Ridley will be boss for the single player mode like petey piranha just a thought. DEDEDE with special waddle Dee throwing move that would make my life complete

I think the only thing that will made us see the Waddle Dees is the DeDeDe entrance...



I don't see why Ridley can't be a playable character. Pikachu is a giant in Melee, and Bowser is a lot smaller than what he should be.

I don't know how it will result....we'll see...


Just bring in Dark Samus. She'd be fun to play floating around, shooting phazon all over the place and melting faces.

Anything that's from Metroid is good...there is only Samus for now...




Speaking of villains, I've always wondered why some of the F-Zero baddies like Black Shadow, Blood Falcon (Capt. Falcon clone anyone?) or Zoda haven't appeared in Smash. Think about it, they'd make excellent playable characters.

Ya, Black Shadow is really cool.

To made all the universes collide in the story thing, there must be at least one enemy per game.


Dunno if anyone has posted this yet or anything.. but it looks like Krystal might be in the game as well.

http://www.alesiaglidewell.com/vo_games.htm

Seems not fake...awesome o.o ...

I always loved Krystal...maybe because in SFA it's really well designed...

[eternal Zero]

Actually...Slippy's a guy. He gets married in SFC...

Anywho...Midna would be an incredible addition. But if you want something a little different then how about Jill Valentine? Or on a better note, Ada Wong?

[Broken]

YOU SHUT YOUR FILTHY, DIRTY MOUTH

I will cry if Lucas completly replaces Ness. Unless they provide Lucas with a alternate costume that includes a Power Glove. That'd be so bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCEsLHNT0Bc

power glove needs to be somehow implemented into this game.

[Hector]

Slippy would be a good replacement for the punching bag in the home-run challenge.

[Hum4n After All]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a352/ChaosSorceror/Isaac_lSword_CastFront2.gif
C'mon Isaac!
We need Isaac!

[Linkjing Donuts]

dunno if this was posted already, but slight spoilers
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/120556.html

[Bigfoot]

dunno if this was posted already, but slight spoilers
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/120556.html

Whoa, I see Bowser and Ridley in the clouds.

[Kutrayn]

Who else can we fruitlessly hope to see?
-Medusa (Kid Icarus)
-Eggman (Sonic)
-K.Rool (DKC)
-Wart (SMB2)
-Koopalings 7-way tagteam [using the "pokemon trainer" engine] (SMB3; and I just made myself sad)
-Cranky Kong Assist Trophy
-Malo (Zelda TP) [side-special: stare-down of doom]
-Yeto (Zelda TP)
-Odolwa (Zelda MM)
-Sephiroth (Half-Baked)
-Tails (Sonic)
-Jesse and/or James (Pokemon; the new pichu)
-Pacman (Pez-Dispenser)
-Starwolf (Starfox) [actually, is this plausible?]
-Tetris blocks (Tetris; the new Dr. Mario)
-Nergal (Fire Emblem)
-Shadow Mario (Mario Sunshine)
-Tingle (Zelda MM; he was already in Melee too much...)
-Captain Olimar (Pikmin)
-Quickman (Megaman)
-Vivian (Paper Mario TTYD)
-Tatanga (SML)
-That Werewolf Dude from Altered Beast (Altered Beast)

Alright. I'm done.

[friendlyHunter]

power glove needs to be somehow implemented into this game.
1) Implemented as an assist trophy, the power glove punches random players.
2) As an item - the wearer becomes more bad.
3) Upon defeating the Master Hand, it returns wearing a Power Glove.
4) Doomed to obscurity as a plain ol' trophy, or worse: a sticker.


Slippy would be a good replacement for the punching bag in the home-run challenge.
Or, in a tag-team with Peppy. His Final Smash would involve Fox flying in from above and shooting all the players, at which point Peppy exclaims "Do a barrel roll!" Actually, if he's in a tag team with Peppy, you'd control Peppy, and Slippy would just be a punching bag that yells for help. And of course, he'd warn Peppy whenever he walks towards mines, and Peppy would say something like "Thanks Slippy! I couldn't have done it without you!"
"Aww, thanks Peppy!" "Do a barrel roll!"

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a352/ChaosSorceror/Isaac_lSword_CastFront2.gif
C'mon Isaac!
We need Isaac!
The thing about this guy - he'd make a phenomenal assist trophy, doing one of his crazy big moves. Not saying he wouldn't make a better playable character, but I'm not getting my hopes too high. ...PLEASE MAKE HIM A PLAYABLE CHARACTER!!! .....

Mike Jones on the other hand (from Star Tropics), while he'd make an amazing playable character, he'd be a pretty mediocre assist trophy.... what would he do, slowly walk up to someone and hit them with a yoyo? If there's a Star Tropics assist trophy, I'd hope for one of the bosses or enemies, or The Snowman Doll item that freezes everyone.

If I recall correctly, was there not a Snowman Doll item in Paper Mario 2, or perhaps Super Paper Mario? That would make a great Final Smash for Mike ^_^ We can add him to the "fruitlessly hope to see" list though, it seems nobody's heard of that game. Hard to believe it's on the same system as Ice Climbers.......

[Brushfire]

This game needs more Dog from Duckhunt.

[Kiyosuki]

I heard tales of a metroid AT in the demo, but never saw one in the videos, so I don't know how reliable the rumor is.

There is definitely a Metroid AT in the game, it got used on me quite a number of times at E for All.

It basically flies around, then latches onto a player and sucks some life out (IE does damage). You can shake it off with attacks, sidestepping like crazy etc.

Its annoying, but it can be very beneficial (OR annoying depending on who you are) too because if it latches onto you for some reason it actually protected some characters from being sent flying from a Final Smash. I don't know if it would work with the more up close ones like Ikes but the big shooting ones like Marios and Samus' did their damage but the Metroid kept them from being sent off.

It seems an unintentional benefit but its a benefit nonetheless. Maybe they'll fix it.

[The Pezman]

Alien Hominid.

[Airwalker]

Who else can we fruitlessly hope to see?
-Medusa (Kid Icarus)
-Eggman (Sonic)
-K.Rool (DKC)
-Wart (SMB2)
-Koopalings 7-way tagteam [using the "pokemon trainer" engine] (SMB3; and I just made myself sad)
-Cranky Kong Assist Trophy
-Malo (Zelda TP) [side-special: stare-down of doom]
-Yeto (Zelda TP)
-Odolwa (Zelda MM)
-Sephiroth (Half-Baked)
-Tails (Sonic)
-Jesse and/or James (Pokemon; the new pichu)
-Pacman (Pez-Dispenser)
-Starwolf (Starfox) [actually, is this plausible?]
-Tetris blocks (Tetris; the new Dr. Mario)
-Nergal (Fire Emblem)
-Shadow Mario (Mario Sunshine)
-Tingle (Zelda MM; he was already in Melee too much...)
-Captain Olimar (Pikmin)
-Quickman (Megaman)
-Vivian (Paper Mario TTYD)
-Tatanga (SML)
-That Werewolf Dude from Altered Beast (Altered Beast)

Alright. I'm done.

Geno (SMRPG!)

[Drack]

This game needs more Dog from Duckhunt.

It should be the Goldeen of asist trophies. All it does is laugh at you.

Only make it killable.

[cobaltstarfire]

It should be the Goldeen of asist trophies. All it does is laugh at you.

Only make it killable.

QFE

(ten characters)

[Zup]

Your mom. She'd distract the other players for a long, LONG time.

[Paratha]

Am I the only one who noticed that one of the Smash Target maps is shaped like Arizona?

Whoa, you're right. I can't believe I missed that. And with the background what it is on that screen, it probably isn't coincidence, either.

[BardicKnowledge]

1) Mike Jones on the other hand (from Star Tropics), while he'd make an amazing playable character, he'd be a pretty mediocre assist trophy.... what would he do, slowly walk up to someone and hit them with a yoyo? If there's a Star Tropics assist trophy, I'd hope for one of the bosses or enemies, or The Snowman Doll item that freezes everyone.

If I recall correctly, was there not a Snowman Doll item in Startropics? That would make a great Final Smash for Mike ^_^ We can add him to the "fruitlessly hope to see" list though, it seems nobody's heard of that game. Hard to believe it's on the same system as Ice Climbers.......

Game reference fixed, considering that Mike has a Snowman Doll in his own series. Also, Jones would be frigging phenomenal -- if I see him in the game at all that'd be amazing. He could throw baseballs or bolas and swing his yoyo (that would change into a shooting star and into a supernova depending on how high is damage was).

Incidentally, the main cave music from Startropics is also awesome...spoilers, white text follows but it's even better in the remix done in the sequel upon the return to C-Island.

Also, is there a tag that I can use to mark spoilers so that I don't have to white out the text manually?

[Triad Orion]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a352/ChaosSorceror/Isaac_lSword_CastFront2.gif
C'mon Isaac!
We need Isaac!

Know I'm late on this one. But I second. With every fiber.

[Arek the Absolute]

lloyd irving >>> isaac

[Mastertoku]

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m285/Mastertoku/king-1.jpg

[Arek the Absolute]

dedede special moves
nice

[nookster]

I foresee adventure mode for the "villains" being different than the normal one, where the normal bosses are replaced with the good guys. That is all. Please elaborate illustrious community of OCR.

whoo, late quote. But meh... i would be nice, but sounds like wishfull thinking to me. I mean, it would be strange to have have someone like bowser fight Petey, but that's not how it works, now does it? The Adventure mode seems to choose who you will be playing at the moment (beginning with a choice between kirby and mariom, later one one between diddy and donkey etc) So by the time you get to play as one of the villains, the story will have unfulded in such a way that they will fight someone relevant to their background as well. For the moment it seems anyway that adventure mode features fixed scens with fixed characters
EDIT
not fixing the spelling, just saying it's early and im in a hurry, so sorry

[Gerbah]

Wait, what? We get Dedede's moves before Lucas'? When are they going to settle the whole "is he a Ness clone?" debate? That being said, Dedede looks awesome! Glad to see one of my favorite Nintendo characters is in Brawl. With his Up+B, it says you can cancel it in mid-air, perhaps other characters like Bowser will be able to do something like this?

[Red Shadow]

aw man, no fucking way he ain't gonna be a main for me

those are some sick specials

[MasterSenshi]

Dedede looks awesome. It seems interesting how so many up Smashes are directly up, there doesn't seem to be many diagonal up smashes beside Ivysaur. I wonder how this will play out, with so many high jump moves (Dedede, samus, ike, and who knows who else).

[Global-Trance]

aw man, no fucking way he ain't gonna be a main for me

those are some sick specials

As fun as it is to pick mains ahead of time, I think it's kind of silly. Consider the fact how many people said that they were going to main Bowser before Melee came out. Look how poorly that turned out.





Unless you're Gimpyfish.

[Zeklan]

I knew we'd get a character today.
A week and a half of lack-luster updates had to lead to something.

Also, I predict a special move update tomorrow. (Dedede's)

Called it.
I predict a new stage next.

[Hum4n After All]

That Jet Hammer looks awesome.

EDIT: I enjoyed this as well.
Todays comic.
http://www.flashasylum.com/db/files/Comics/Rob/goodboy.png

[Red Shadow]

As fun as it is to pick mains ahead of time, I think it's kind of silly. Consider the fact how many people said that they were going to main Bowser before Melee came out. Look how poorly that turned out.





Unless you're Gimpyfish.
quiet, you

it's not like i'm restricting myself to just him anyway. I CAN MAIN MORE THAN ONE. YOU KNOW IM AN EARTHBOUND WHORE. I CANT FORGO NESS OR LUCAS

[DuskyFerret]

whoo, late quote. But meh... i would be nice, but sounds like wishfull thinking to me. I mean, it would be strange to have have someone like bowser fight Petey, but that's not how it works, now does it?

Will Brawl carry the infamous "third in the series" curse where the good guys and the evil villain team up to fight a greater evil? Spiderman 3 much?

Also, it was previously mentioned this game needs more kickass chicks and so...

SERENE FOR BRAWL

http://www.mduo13.com/thumb-sereneofthepromisedland.jpg

Seriously people, get into it.

[Arek the Absolute]

keep riviera's lolis out of this

[Brushfire]

I think if they are gonna put more women in Brawl, it will prolly be Daisy from the Mario series. She is kinda like Slippy in the fact that no one likes Her/Him/It.

[KWarp]

Been reading interviews on Mario Galaxy lately. I wonder if Brawl could have a miniplanet-like stage. :grin:

[Ciel]

Know I'm late on this one. But I second. With every fiber.

Felix is cooler!

[Antipode]

Been reading interviews on Mario Galaxy lately. I wonder if Brawl could have a miniplanet-like stage. :grin:

Ooh, that'd be cool. And maybe every so often a tunnel would appear that would connect through the middle.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Miniplanets?.............. I get the Poke-float vibe. Worst stage in history of all gaming.

[Antipode]

Miniplanets?.............. I get the Poke-float vibe. Worst stage in history of all gaming.

I thought he just meant one, in the center of the screen, and with all-around gravity like in galaxy. That'd be cool. And yeah, poke-floats was awful.

[The Author]

Miniplanets?.............. I get the Poke-float vibe. Worst stage in history of all gaming.
Stage 9 of the transformer videogame.


You lose again.

[Mr.Roboto]

Poke-floats was awesome.

You're just terrible.

Anyway,Yeah,A Planet-Gravity like stage would be awesome.The ability to propel yourself using the gravity and attack opponents that way.

[FlagshipAmadeus]

Pokefloats was a good stage because it required players to pay attention

[Cavanikus]

nobody wants to be constantly moving when they are trying to KO everyone plus moves like Jigglypuffs's B really suck

[Eulogic]

Daisy is awesome and Pokefloats is OK. It's better at some places than others. It doesn't really require people to pay that much attention, as it does follow a pretty easily memorized set pattern. I like it a little better than Rainbow Cruise, but I wasn't a fan of Rainbow Cruise.

Dedede's moves look pretty cool. His up-b was obvious, his side-b is awesome, and his down-b is wtf. I assume his neutral-b will be a suck-and-blow attack like Kirby's (sans swallowing).

[Wolfstan]

nobody wants to be constantly moving when they are trying to KO everyone plus moves like Jigglypuffs's B really suck

You're joking right

[eternal Zero]

So that's what they mean by mechanized hammer? Hell yea!

[Sir_NutS]

He pulls out Waddle Dees from who knows where and throws them. The Waddle Dees then waddle around afterward.

I don't know why, but I lol'd.

[Alpine Flame]

I don't know why, but I lol'd.

Because you figured out where they come from.

[Linkjing Donuts]

nobody wants to be constantly moving when they are trying to KO everyone plus moves like Jigglypuffs's B really suck
what the hell is wrong with you

[Cavanikus]

I mean when your trying to play you don't want to have to pay attention to where the level is going and if the level is aways moving and small like pokefloat then you cant use moves like yoshi's egg roll

[Sir_NutS]

I mean when your trying to play you don't want to have to pay attention to where the level is going and if the level is aways moving and small like pokefloat then you cant use moves like yoshi's egg roll

I use it all the time, as well as Jigglypuff's rollout.

[Neo Samus]

nobody wants to be constantly moving when they are trying to KO everyone plus moves like Jigglypuffs's B really suck

Dr. Phil: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

on topic: Nice Move set that Dedede has. I will enjoy pulling Waddle Dees out of his ass. I'm also for having Krystal. We need more...variety...hem.

[Eulogic]

damn furries

[Neonlare]

I think we found our new Falcon Punch.

Seriously.

[Jam Stunna]

Daisy is awesome and Pokefloats is OK. It's better at some places than others. It doesn't really require people to pay that much attention, as it does follow a pretty easily memorized set pattern. I like it a little better than Rainbow Cruise, but I wasn't a fan of Rainbow Cruise.


Damn Pokefloats...I was at a teams tournament and we got counter-picked to there. We lost the set on that damn stage.

I actually like Rainbow Cruise, but it's such an anti-ICs stage.

[Baleshadow]

I think we found our new Falcon Punch.

Seriously.

Your avatar reminds me that there needs to be a Meteos assist trophy.

[Bigfoot]

I think if they are gonna put more women in Brawl, it will prolly be Daisy from the Mario series. She is kinda like Slippy in the fact that no one likes Her/Him/It.

Wow, you just said Daisy is like... Slippy? Daisy is awesome.

[Eulogic]

Damn Pokefloats...I was at a teams tournament and we got counter-picked to there. We lost the set on that damn stage.

Almost surprised it wasn't banned, given the various fallthroughs (though admittedly, they are consistently in the same places).

[Dunther]

About the Mario Galaxy Stage....
My favourite boss of Yoshi's Island (Raphael the Raven) was set on a little moon.
http://crawl.flyingomelette.com/features/yoshi/raphael5.gif
I would really like to see something like that for an alternative Yoshi's Island stage...
Anyone else remember it?

[Brushfire]

Maybe I just hate Daisy because of Kart and Tennis. Every time she would make any action at any time she would A) make an unintelligeble sound like "hwarrr?" or B) would go "Hi, I'm Daisy!!" I'll admit the latter was a tad more cheery but still.

[BardicKnowledge]

Krystal > Daisy in a heartbeat. Also, what other options do we have for female characters at this point, assuming that Dixie Kong _isn't_ in the game?

[Aninymouse]

Midna's the only one that matters to me, anyway. Anyone after her is fine too.

I kinda like the idea of Ashley from Wario Ware. It'd be cool to have a witch character. Halloween update FTW?

[MechaFone]

Perhaps one of the girls from the Paper Mario games, like Goombella or Ms Mouser, or that fat opera cloud lady or the female Boo?

[Aninymouse]

Goombella would be quite "boss," as the kids say.

I'm probably hopelessly f%$&ed up, but I also thought she was rather hot. As hot as a Goomba can be.

[Brushfire]

If Midna gets put in the game, it should be her human form. As for Ashley, I'd rather see Kat and Ana fight ala Ice Climbers.

[eternal Zero]

Do you guys read posts? Cmon.

SLIPPY IS MALE. HE GETS MARRIED IN STAR FOX COMMAND (DS) TO AMANDA.

::sigh::

[Brushfire]

Just to argue, they could be gay.

[MechaFone]

Great shit! I'm gonna be gone all weekend for a football game in St Louis. Does the Dojo make updates over the weekend as well? 'Cause if so I'ma miss a lot :puppyeyes:

[Jarvi]

Great shit! I'm gonna be gone all weekend for a football game in St Louis. Does the Dojo make updates over the weekend as well? 'Cause if so I'ma miss a lot :puppyeyes:

Just Monday-Friday

[MechaFone]

Oh, goody. I can rest easy then. Thanks ^^

[Strike911]

If Midna was playable, she'd be the cutesy form we see the entire way through Twilight Princess. Her final smash would be her transformed *ahem* taller version, probably.

[nohero]

I wouldn't count out seeing Midna as Zelda's down B.
If they go with the TP vibe, Zelda's alternate identity (assuming she has one) will either be a very touched-up Sheik, Midna, Cloaked Zelda, or Zelda w/sword.

I hope she still has a transformation.

As far as other female characters go, the fanboy side of me wants to see Celes Chere (FF6) or Sheena Fujibayashi (ToS).

[Ralphis]

I wouldn't count out seeing Midna as Zelda's down B.
If they go with the TP vibe, Zelda's alternate identity (assuming she has one) will either be a very touched-up Sheik, Midna, Cloaked Zelda, or Zelda w/sword.

I hope she still has a transformation.

As far as other female characters go, the fanboy side of me wants to see Celes Chere (FF6) or Sheena Fujibayashi (ToS).

It could very well be a final smash instead of a down+b. But regardless, why would Zelda turn into Midna?

[nohero]

It could very well be a final smash instead of a down+b. But regardless, why would Zelda turn into Midna?

Given, it would be a pretty big stretch, but she DID give her life/soul to save Midna about halfway through TP.

I dunno... I just can't see Midna as a character on her own, as much as I'd like to.

[DuskyFerret]

About the Mario Galaxy Stage....
My favourite boss of Yoshi's Island (Raphael the Raven) was set on a little moon.
http://crawl.flyingomelette.com/features/yoshi/raphael5.gif
I would really like to see something like that for an alternative Yoshi's Island stage...
Anyone else remember it?
Since no one has yet replied, gotta say that the Raphael the Raven boss area was pretty mad. He wasn't the most fun boss tho IMO. Yea, maybe Yoshi's Island should get a little more love in Brawl rather than the generic stage he gets in every game.

If Midna gets put in the game, it should be her human form.
This is probably my fault for not as yet clocking TP after owning it for so long, but don't you think this is just a little bit of a Spoiler? Not complainin or anything, just saying I didn't as of yet know Midna had a human form so some people might get ticked if they read that.

O yea and also, if Midna were to be in the game, she would probably riding on the back of Wolf Link IMO. It would give more move options like the outstretched hand and stuff... and the FS could be that massive aura that wolf does after holding down B.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Wolf Link with Midna would be a fucking awesome character!

[MechaFone]

Wolf Link with Midna would be a fucking awesome character!

Everyone please say that at least once so Sakurai will, as he probably reads this site, make our dreams come true once more.

[Brushfire]

Come to think of it that is a pretty good angle.

[supremespleen]

midna midna midna midna midna

Actually, I would prefer her to be her own character. But, wolf link with Midna would suffice.

[Thalzon]

If Midna was playable, she'd be the cutesy form we see the entire way through Twilight Princess. Her final smash would be her transformed *ahem* taller version, probably.

OR, it could be that Fused Shadow business... Far more likely than her true form.

[MechaFone]

OR she could be the solution to a giant boss battle near the end, if not the end. There'd be this big cutscene with Link (if that fixed storyline is accurate) where he's completely overwhelmed, when Midna comes in to save the day and you take control, you're on even ground with said boss-monster.

Best case scenario if you ask me.

[Critical Hit]

I must be one of the very few who didn't like Midna OR wolf link....:|

[Airwalker]

Everyone please say that at least once so Sakurai will, as he probably reads this site, make our dreams come true once more.

I highly doubt they are spending this delay time to add extra characters--that was probably decided on a year ago. People blaming Sonic being added as the reason for the delay don't realize how at this point in development, games are mostly being polished. This isn't your 5th grade science fair project--they are not adding a ton of basic things they suddenly remembered.

[MechaFone]

Yes, very true. One can only hope, though, that you might find them as hidden characters :) :-o

[friendlyHunter]

I highly doubt they are spending this delay time to add extra characters--that was probably decided on a year ago. People blaming Sonic being added as the reason for the delay don't realize how at this point in development, games are mostly being polished. This isn't your 5th grade science fair project--they are not adding a ton of basic things they suddenly remembered.

No kidding. The developers are probably having a laugh at all the random internet webcomics and such that blame Sonic for the delay.


Everyone please say that at least once so Sakurai will, as he probably reads this site, make our dreams come true once more.

Say what now? By the way, Midna and Wolf Link would make an awesome character!

I can see Midna as a good assist trophy though... maybe teleporting people around, or grabbing them with her hair.

And while I beat the game a while ago, I'm kind of annoyed by the merciless posting of spoilers with no warnings. On that note: The thing that really bugged me about Wolf Link in TP was that Midna is 10 times more powerful than Link, but aside form teleporting bridges and opening doors in temples, she never actually uses any of her powers to help you. And why is it that she can lift and teleport massive bridges weighing 10 tonnes apiece, but you need the help of a random people and a CHICKEN to get where you want to go? And then there's that one chasm with a missing bridge, where instead of Midna helping you build a bridge out of, say, any one of the hundred giant rocks lying around Death Mountain, Link has to single-handedly raise money to get one built?!?? And the parts where Midna hovers around, and you press a button to make Wolf Link jump ridiculous distances towards her... what the heck is that all about? Midna kind of made a joke out of the gameplay, but is still a fun character.

Also, am I the only one annoyed by the fact that characters (especially Midna) make the exact same sound and animation every time something happens? For example: every time Wolf Link runs she makes that "Oh!" noise like she's totally surprised, as if Wolf Link has never run before. I mean, that kind of shoddy and repetitive character interaction was OK back in the day of Ocarina of Time, but now it makes the characters seem "wooden"... not that they already aren't wooden, but it sure isn't helping. Phew, this TP rant is over.

[Gerbah]

friendlyHunter, yeah a lot of parts of Twilight Princess were kinda shifty in that sense. Definitely agree with you. Oh, one thing I noticed in the game though was the whole "jumping to Midna" business, I believe (it's hard to see) but she grabs Link with that hair-hand of hers and drags him over to the spot she's hovering. Not sure about that, or why she can do this while in her "shadowy" form or whatever, but I think I remember seeing that happen. But it definitely would have been nice if she would've helped out a bit more!

On that note, I can see Midna making into the game in some way, be it playable/assist/trophy/or at the VERY very least a sticker. I mean, they are going with the whole "Twilight Princess" vibe for the Zelda characters.

[Aninymouse]

friendlyHunter, yeah a lot of parts of Twilight Princess were kinda shifty in that sense. Definitely agree with you. Oh, one thing I noticed in the game though was the whole "jumping to Midna" business, I believe (it's hard to see) but she grabs Link with that hair-hand of hers and drags him over to the spot she's hovering. Not sure about that, or why she can do this while in her "shadowy" form or whatever, but I think I remember seeing that happen. But it definitely would have been nice if she would've helped out a bit more!

On that note, I can see Midna making into the game in some way, be it playable/assist/trophy/or at the VERY very least a sticker. I mean, they are going with the whole "Twilight Princess" vibe for the Zelda characters.

I believe part of why Midna didn't help out more with Link's tasks can be explained by two logical points. First of all, gameplay-wise, it wouldn't be very condusive to the atmosphere to have Midna do a lot of things automatically FOR you, like lift you over things, since it would make Wolf Link seem totally helpless/useless, not to mention that too much automation takes the feeling of "control" out of the experience. Secondly, having Midna constantly taunt and egg Link on generally just builds her character for the first half of the game when it is still unclear just how much of a "good guy" she really is. Interestingly, there really aren't many (or any?) instances of "Wolf Link cliff jumping" after "The Event" that cements Midna as one of the good guys.

But yes. I'm 100% behind Wolf Link/Midna combo character, or solo Imp Midna. Having her in her "true" form would be a massive "wtf" and spoiler to all the people who never beat TP. And, obviously, a great Final Smash would be the Fused Shadow! Mmmmm, giant shiny weapon pwnage ^^

[Geoffrey Taucer]

But yes. I'm 100% behind Wolf Link/Midna combo character, or solo Imp Midna. Having her in her "true" form would be a massive "wtf" and spoiler to all the people who never beat TP. And, obviously, a great Final Smash would be the Fused Shadow! Mmmmm, giant shiny weapon pwnage ^^

Having Midna transform into her true form would be no more of a spoiler than having Zelda transform into Shiek.

[DuskyFerret]

Having Midna transform into her true form would be no more of a spoiler than having Zelda transform into Shiek.

Sorry, I gotta disagree with you on this one. For one, you have to consider the time gap between OoT and Melee. Seriously, it really is someone's own damn fault if they hadn't clocked or progressed a decent way through OoT before Melee came out. Whereas for people like me who are a bit slow in finishing TP, they shouldn't ruin a latter part of the story only after a year it's come out (Yeah it was delayed in parts of the world).

Secondly, I can't recall Zelda ever going "Hello..Check me out I'm really Shiek n stuff OMG" in OoT, whereas now I've been told that Midna will transform in the latter part of TP. So yea...full credit to Aniny for keeping his post spoiler free.

[Bigfoot]

I'm sorry, but Twilight Princess is a Wii launch title. Pretty much anyone who bought a Wii more than likely bought TP with it. If you haven't played that game and beat it yet then that's your own fault.

[Culturekoi]

Gonna agree with Bigfoot and Geoffry on that. The game honestly doesn't take all that long to beat, if you've had it since it came out (or even relatively close thereafter) you should have beaten it. Besides that, it's absolutely amazing that even if you didn't beat it, the Midna thing was a new spoiler for you. Seriously, I beat it months and months ago and still saw a great big picture of the "true" Midna and was leik ok, what's this about? Just because you know she has something doesn't mean the whole deal is blown for you.

Besides that, it's Legend of Zelda. Why would you play for the story? It's about gameplay, the story is the same every time: "U r hero. U r save princess plz k thx."

[HalcyonSpirit]

The game honestly doesn't take all that long to beat, if you've had it since it came out (or even relatively close thereafter) you should have beaten it.

Right. However... there are people, like myself, that don't have a Wii or TP and have to rely on others to play it (re: borrow their system and game). Which is a bit of a problem if you both have a life... And then there's the people that are like me and got trapped in the cannon room because they are playing on a bugged disk and weren't aware of the problem. :-x

So yeah, you've got a point, but some of us haven't beaten it completely because of legitimate reasons and thus would be grateful for spoiler warnings...

[Aninymouse]

Besides that, it's Legend of Zelda. Why would you play for the story? It's about gameplay, the story is the same every time: "U r hero. U r save princess plz k thx."

I rather like the story, actually. Wind Waker had such a stunning narrative, but you don’t have time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball.

[DuskyFerret]

Gonna agree with Bigfoot and Geoffry on that. The game honestly doesn't take all that long to beat, if you've had it since it came out (or even relatively close thereafter) you should have beaten it. Besides that, it's absolutely amazing that even if you didn't beat it, the Midna thing was a new spoiler for you. Seriously, I beat it months and months ago and still saw a great big picture of the "true" Midna and was leik ok, what's this about? Just because you know she has something doesn't mean the whole deal is blown for you.

Besides that, it's Legend of Zelda. Why would you play for the story? It's about gameplay, the story is the same every time: "U r hero. U r save princess plz k thx."

Yeah, well I guess some people have different playing habits. I really don't enjoy getting a game and seeing how quickly I can clock it. I prefer to play it...leave it for a while and then come back to fully enjoy the ending...but that's just me and if I have to pay for my playing habits then so be it.

But seriously dude, even reviews and stuff for SNES games on the net still have Spoiler warnings on them. Time really shouldn't play a factor. A spoiler is still a spoiler. But then again...if I really didn't want spoilers I wouldn't be looking on the Dojo to begin with :P

[Bigfoot]

ZSS is a spoiler that she's a woman for people who haven't played Metroid before :P

[friendlyHunter]

My signature is a spoiler for people who haven't played Metroid Prime 3 before :P
Fixed.

But in all seriousness, I think it's kind of silly to think that ANY Wii game is old enough to assume that everyone who plans on beating the game before things are spoiled for them has already beaten it. Confusingly long sentences aside, TP is not an old game. How would you feel if you picked up Super Paper Mario yesterday, and then some guy carelessly spoils the ending for you in the SUPER SMASH BROS. BRAWL THREAD??? But like DuskyFerret said, the game's age isn't really a factor. It's not hard: put the damn spoilers in white text, or just give some kind of warning.

Besides that, it's Legend of Zelda. Why would you play for the story? It's about gameplay, the story is the same every time: "U r hero. U r save princess plz k thx."
TP had some pretty bad gameplay though (or, rather, mediocre gameplay with sub-par combat), so I think the story was a pretty big highlight. I mean, if the game had no story to look forward to, it's likely I would've stopped playing before the end. But since the story sucked too, I'm thankful for the nice atmosphere and music, and crazy characters. Man, no wonder I didn't like that game much =/

Nonetheless, if Midna is a Brawl character, her Final Smash is a no-brainer: Fused Shadow transform, of course

So, any guesses as to what King Dedede's Final Smash is? I'd bet there's flying involved... And yeah, his neutral-special move probably involves sucking players up.


Ooh, just thought of another question for the mighty and all-knowing Player of The Demo: Anything new or different about Yoshi's special moves? I found all of them (except B-down, and on one occasion B-neutral) to be particularly useless in Melee. Same story in Brawl, or is he good again?

[Aninymouse]

Several of Yoshi's tilts, smashes and aerials were improved either in range (longer tail) or power, but his B moves haven't changed much. Of course, his B^ now kind of stalls him in the air and you can use it multiple times, but his smash B is quicker as well. Can't double jump cancel.

Off topic, but... honestly, you though Twilight Princess was a pile of suck? If I'm being perfectly honest with myself, I think I can see where TP didn't totally trump some past titles in some areas. However, even if it didn't end up being the be-all-and-end-all of Zelda games it was still really solid! The combat wasn't much different than any other 3D Zelda, so unless innovation was your main concern I don't see how that was a failure. And... the story sucked? "Suck" is a pretty strong word, I think. It wasn't a garbage story. Horribly cliche, sure, but WHAT ISN'T these days? Midna's character developement and personality are the strongest I've seen in a Zelda game yet, so I suppose if you didn't particularly like her character the story would seems to have no redeeming value.

Heh, love triangles make anything interesting.

Back on topic, I can't wait to see Pokemon Trainer in an actual fight! I'm also very interested in how they'll make Subspace Emissary work for PT, too.

[Bigfoot]

I think my sig was a spoiler before the Wii was even released :P

[Koopaking1981]

It's awesome how King Dedede got put in. Brawl got the new Kirby characters Meta Knight and Dedede most likely because Masahiro Sakurai, the game's director, also happens to be the creator of Kirby. I think it would be awesome if they put another completely weird character in, like Mr. Game & Watch. My vote goes to Diskun, the old mascot for the Famicom Disk System!

[Effector]

I rather like the story, actually. Wind Waker had such a stunning narrative, but you don’t have time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball.

Quoted for awesome.

[HideousBeing]

Right. However... there are people, like myself, that don't have a Wii or TP and have to rely on others to play it (re: borrow their system and game). Which is a bit of a problem if you both have a life... And then there's the people that are like me and got trapped in the cannon room because they are playing on a bugged disk and weren't aware of the problem. :-x

So yeah, you've got a point, but some of us haven't beaten it completely because of legitimate reasons and thus would be grateful f or spoiler warnings...I had many games spoiled for me, but when TP approached, I tried my hardest to avoid spoilers. I found it was better to say that I didn't even own the game to my friends, because that discourages further questions that may spoil things, such as, "Are you past the part where... (insert spoiler)?"

I also avoided potentially spoiling internet sites in general. I stopped going here, because I knew that there would eventually be spoilers thrown on sigs, and spoilers brought up in closely related threads. Indeed, looking back, both happened.

A pity you could not be so insightful, mm? Really all it takes is common sense. If you don't want a title spoiled, be careful on the internet, or shun the internet completely.


Edit: And it really pisses me off when people say things like this: if you both have a life...Due to ancient stereotypes, when games were young and few played them, the idea that one who plays games often "does not have a life" is still a common myth. Nowadays gamers are more common, and gaming is more widely expected. Yet there are still people who cling to these dying ideas to justify any lack of skill in a game, or in this case, permitted play time. Do you really have less of a life if you play videogames even three hours a day? Why would you?

Consider any other hobby. Perhaps you skate three hours a day. Do you have any more "life" than he who games three hours a day? Or is this "life?" Who are you to judge? Define "having a life." In simpler terms than, "not playing videogames all day."

It's a dumb phrase. I can't stand it. My friend was over my house not long ago to be trained in the advanced techniques of ssbm. I was explaining powershielding to him, and how you must do it the frame before impact to correctly perform it. All the other advanced techniques I explained to him, I was able to do. I told him, "but I can't powershield. I'm still not good enough to do it whenever." He responds, "So, if you can do that powershielding thing, you like, don't have a life?" I laughed, and told him that if you could get another person to help you practice for 15 minutes every day for a month, you would be an excellent powershielder by the end of the month.

Seriously though, drop that stupid nonsense. You have no more a life than a gamer for doing whatever you do often everyday. I'll point out in the literal sense, that you live while you're doing anything, thus, who are having quite a "life" while you're playing videogames all day.

[nookster]

Can't the phrase "having a life" not also refer to "damnit, my life is very busy right now, so, although i really want to, i don't have the time to play?"

I know I've used it like that a few times in the last month...

[Scufo]

TP had some pretty bad gameplay though (or, rather, mediocre gameplay with sub-par combat)
If the combat in TP sucks, then the combat in every 3D Zelda sucks. That is, unless you got the Wii version.

[Aninymouse]

If the combat in TP sucks, then the combat in every 3D Zelda sucks. That is, unless you got the Wii version.
That's what she said.

[Azul v2]

What is everyone's problem with the Wii version of TP? I thought the controls were excellent.

[Dunther]

What is everyone's problem with the Wii version of TP? I thought the controls were excellent.

TP has the best gameplay of the 3D Zelda episodes...