Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Scufo]

If the combat in TP sucks, then the combat in every 3D Zelda sucks. That is, unless you got the Wii version.That's what she said.
lololol i said sucks and wii in the same sentence

[Strike911]

TP had some pretty bad gameplay though (or, rather, mediocre gameplay with sub-par combat), so I think the story was a pretty big highlight. I mean, if the game had no story to look forward to, it's likely I would've stopped playing before the end. But since the story sucked too, I'm thankful for the nice atmosphere and music, and crazy characters.

.minor spoilers.

I whole-heartedly disagree with you. The combat in TP was was the most expanded upon that it has ever been in any Zelda series; there were far more techniques and moves that you could do in a battle, counters, and just a lot of moves in general. Especially when you compare it to earlier Zelda games. I kind of agree with you in terms of the story, not that is sucked, but that it was just same-old same-old. The first half of the game was really intriguing and interesting, but towards the latter half if it was collect 7 things to fight the last boss, like any old regular Zelda before it. I love the way the game was presented, but the game's atmosphere didn't draw me in like I was expecting it to, and maybe that's because I've been playing games like Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, and Windwaker which really did suck me into the world the developers created. Phantom Hourglass on the DS even did a good job of this, although in a smaller scale. However, the dungeon level designs were interesting to me in this go around.

So anyway, yeah, combat in TP is way expanded upon the previous Zelda's. I mean, if you didn't unlock all of the combat techniques then I can maybe understand your reasoning, but anyone coming into Twilight Princess having played any other Zelda should know what to expect in terms of story and characters.

I do feel as if Twilight Princess needs to be the last traditional Zelda. After 20 years of Zelda I'm just now starting to get tired of the same old formulaic story structure.

and I loved WindWaker.

[Ralphis]

lololol i said sucks and wii in the same sentence

Actually you said it across two sentences!

[cobaltstarfire]

Several of Yoshi's tilts, smashes and aerials were improved either in range (longer tail) or power, but his B moves haven't changed much. Of course, his B^ now kind of stalls him in the air and you can use it multiple times, but his smash B is quicker as well. Can't double jump cancel.


I'm happy to hear that yoshi maybe has gotten some improvements, he wasn't that bad in melee, but he was definitely weaker than his 64 version. :S (And it didn't help much to be mocked by people for playing yoshi, even if I generally whipped the floor with them in an actual game).

[Aninymouse]

Yoshi does have a pretty steep learning curve, and I don't feel that's going to change much with Brawl. Out of all the Melee characters, I had the hardest time playing with Yoshi. Kirby, for me, was second only because of how badly nerfed he was; with so many laggy and weak attacks, I'm very excited that they've once again buffed (puffed?) up Kirby's speed and power in Brawl. The new Yo-Yo Kirby dash attack certainly looks cool, too.

Oddly enough, i think the character with the fewest changes overall in the Demo was Donkey Kong, hands down. I'm fine with that, really, since he was exceptionally balanced in Melee, but with such a gimped Final Smash it would have been nice to find a few tweaks here and there. Ah! Well, actually, there was apparently one change to DK: when his smash B buries you underground, your opponent will become "dislodged" after just one hit instead of a set time period. Since they also seem to have lost the immunity to knockback while being buried as well, seems like smash B to Giant Punch would be a good idea for a basic setup.

[eternal Zero]

ZSS is a spoiler that she's a woman for people who haven't played Metroid before :P

Actually the first spoiler for that was shocking her in the original SSB. ^_^

[Effector]

Actually the first spoiler for that was shocking her in the original SSB. ^_^

That really takes me back - I had totally forgotten.

[friendlyHunter]

The combat in TP was was the most expanded upon that it has ever been in any Zelda series; there were far more techniques and moves that you could do in a battle, counters, and just a lot of moves in general. Especially when you compare it to earlier Zelda games.

Maybe so, but the enemies are slow, dumb, and weak compared to the likes of OOT, and not even comparable to any of the 2D Zelda games I've played. What's the point of doing fancy moves when you can kill any enemy just as quickly with the move that's simplest and easiest to do? Usually it's FASTER to kill enemies without using your special sword techniques, and much less risky too. And when the enemies are total pushovers, the only thing that matters in combat is speed - because I want to get the "fight" over with as fast a possible, because it's pointless and boring. I'll admit some of the more difficult enemies were fun, like those lovably frustrating ice-based enemies, but for the most part all the enemies were harmless victims. That icy dungeon really made me think "wow, I hope the rest of the game is this hard!", but from there it just got much easier...

And my "the story sucked" comment was based mostly on my expectations - I got my hopes up because of all the raving fanboys on this site, claiming "OMG it's the most epic Zelda story ever!!!", or "The story's not that great, but it's still the greatest Zelda story ever!!" Curse you, fanboys! Curse you, Sages! Curse you... Link!


And now, back to our regularly scheduled Brawl thread.

[TheCatPhysician]

lololol i said sucks and wii in the same sentencethe wii sucks

[linkspast]

Speechless......
Wow...
No reason not to buy this game.

Edit:
You can now make the battle stage from SMB1

[FuriousFure]

Speechless......
Wow...
No reason not to buy this game.

you ain't kidding. this will be awesome!

[Global-Trance]

Build Your Own Stages? :o :o :o

[Imagery]

WHAT

ARE THEY SERIOUS

yes they better be

the only thing to make this more perfect would be the ability to use mp3s from the sd card

but HOLY CRAP THIS IS AWESOME

[nohero]

.......
Bramble Blast Music?!!!!!
And Stage Creator?!!!!!!

[eternal Zero]

Finally a reason for all the people complaining about stages to shut the hell up. They can either make their own or deal with the official ones.

[Mastertoku]

Sakurai...

bloody hell. I want to be him when I grow up. I never saw this coming, and it's stupendous.

[TheCatPhysician]

i called this like 2 years ago, and always argued with people that it would WORK PERFECTLY. but NO.

holy wow it looks awesome

edit "And I’m happy that this is compatible with SD cards. You don’t have to worry about size, so make as many stages as you like." i hope they change their mindset on replays to this

[Mastertoku]

WHAT

ARE THEY SERIOUS

yes they better be

the only thing to make this more perfect would be the ability to use mp3s from the sd card

but HOLY CRAP THIS IS AWESOME

That occured to me, too... but one should never look a gift level editor in the mouth, hey?

[DuskyFerret]

OK, well obviously the PURE AWESOMENESS of this update does not need explaining...

But what really struck me is the pic of Mario climbing a ladder...You can do that now? That'll be different...

And the news of the SD Card compatibility puts to rest all complaints about the 3 mins of recording battles. It's obviously gonna mean that recording will work in the same way.

This game is gonna rock beyond description. It's replay factor is gonna outlast mankind.

[Yoshi3gg]

Wow.

....Wow.


Latest update BLEW MY MIND.

[Mastertoku]

Look at the palettes in the screenshot from the editor! Sakurai's screenshots severely understate the power of the editor!
Look at the Structures, for heaven's sake!!

[MasterSenshi]

Sakurai is a master if he pulls this off... OMG I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS!!!!

I'm going to have to put in some serious Melee practice when school is out.... now if they just have a way to get it permanent, that would be remarkable, but I'm sure we can get some blog online somewhere on how to design the levels. The MP3 idea is nice, but with all the game music they have and the excellent composers, that's not on my list of concerned things.

Now we can just hope it makes February. I guess Galaxy, Metroid, and Fire Emblem will be the flavor of the season for me, with Brawl up for next year. Oh and some multiplayer game... Wii is too much fun with multiplayer. :-)

Oh, Mother Snowman music confirmed! Um... is that from 1 2 or 3. If it's from 2 (Earthbound), it's probably from the boarding school. Anyone play 1 and/or 3 have any clue?

[Azul v2]

I was pretty 'meh' til I got to the bottom and read that everyone with wifi will have a level picked by Nintendo and sent your Wii every day. Now that is a pretty awesome idea.

[Arek the Absolute]

everyday shooter meets smash bros
in a good way

[SilverStar]

Wow.

....Wow.


Latest update BLEW MY MIND.

Latest update blew my geekwad.

I hope they let you do more than just have it as a "once in a lifetime" thing, for the daily maps.. like if you like it enough, save it to SD card and store it on your computer, or something.

[Antipode]

Just disconnect your wii from the internet! Then you can keep it.

[nookster]

...
This means we can finally remake Hyrule castle from the first ssb :D
If they haven't put it in as a classic this time

[!Nekko!]

Great update or GreatEST update?

[Strike911]

OH MAN!!!!

They just increased Brawl's lifespan well past Melee's.... at least 10 years. You can just make a stage.

I do wonder if the pieces that you use are enough to make unique stages though, the tool set looks interesting, but pretty limited imo. I wonder if there will be more pieces... looks to me, judging by that one pic there will be about 100 pieces you can use per level.

Interesting addition. Looking forward to it, I hope you can really customize it to give it a nice theme, besides just tile patterns and such.

[Aninymouse]

GREATEST.

I'm sorry, but this is better than even any kind of roster confirmation. Regardless of who we can play as, we can essentially play FOREVER.

I'd say this game is the ultimate Nintendo game, so far.

[Antipode]

Great update or GreatEST update?

Actually I'd say it's a Great JST update.

Oh god, that was actually pretty horrible, even for me.

[Raziellink]

Shit yeah, bitches......

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

Dun Dun Dunnnnnn!

[genghisdani]

Wow... now I absolutely have to get this game with my Wii when I come in the summer.

[Brushfire]

Sniff... I just don't know what to say. They took a game with near infinite replayability and made it even more replayable. Kudos Mr. Sakurai, Kudos.

[Strike911]

I wonder if we can slap on unlocked stickers to the custom levels? It certainly would let us have a bit more personalized levels.

Ridiculously cool update though. I can't wait to see some crazy levels and NOW we can have custom scenarios like DEFEND THE HOUSE! mwhaha. You could make a retro Donkey Kong level pretty easily too... Wow, this really opens a whole new can of worms...

Nintendo has set the bar really high.

[Ray Falling]

Holy smokes! I can't believe this!! They're putting so much stuff in the game, and just when you think it can't get better it DOES and then a few weeks later it does again n_n

I'm guessing it's time to invest in these SD cards...What are they anyway? Some type of universal thing or a Nintendo-specific thing?

Anyway, looking forward to making awesome stages :)

[Raziellink]

Holy smokes! I can't believe this!! They're putting so much stuff in the game, and just when you think it can't get better it DOES and then a few weeks later it does again n_n

I'm guessing it's time to invest in these SD cards...What are they anyway? Some type of universal thing or a Nintendo-specific thing?

Anyway, looking forward to making awesome stages :)

The SD cards are similar to memory sticks, but made as an extension of memory to existing machines, such as cell phones, camera's, and your Wii.

[Ray Falling]

The SD cards are similar to memory sticks, but made as an extension of memory to existing machines, such as cell phones, camera's, and your Wii.

I see. So is there a brand you can recommend, or does Nintendo have their own SD cards as well?

[The Author]

My first duty will be to recreate all the stages from Donkey Kong.

[The Mutericator]

Fuck Yes, You Are The Best Japan Time Ever!

(EDIT: Screw you forums for lowering my all caps.)

[dsx100]

Man I'm going to have a lot of fun with this stage editor. This definately does add a ton of replay value to this game. I just hope they have a lot of diverse options but it even if it is very simple(which it doesn't look like it is) it will still be very fun to use. Damn, I really can't wait now.

[Zeklan]

Fuck awesome.
Also, called it.
Tomorrow will be a music update.

[KakTheInfected]

Ah, so now the game has been upgraded to an 8.0 from 1up and Gamespot.

[iskyoork]

I'm so going to make an original donkey kong lvl and then use only barrels

[DjSammyG]

Fuck awesome.
Also, called it.
Tomorrow will be a music update.

No, you didn't. This isn't a stage update, it's a stage BUILDER. It's a game mode.

Close, but no cigar.

;)

[Airwalker]

I see. So is there a brand you can recommend, or does Nintendo have their own SD cards as well?

Just buy a cheap one off of Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=1053107930&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=68&Tpk=SD+Card). A 2 gig stick is the max the Wii can take I believe.

Nintendo has an official brand, but it costs twice as much as a normal stick, and the only difference is that it is colored white.

[Alpine Flame]

So, has anyone thought about how this ties into this sticker thing? I think the stickers will give us new "parts" to create levels. That's my call.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Just buy a cheap one off of Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=1053107930&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=68&Tpk=SD+Card). A 2 gig stick is the max the Wii can take I believe.

Nintendo has an official brand, but it costs twice as much as a normal stick, and the only difference is that it is colored white.

How does one install these into a wii?

[Triad Orion]

"YES, yes, Oh, God, Yes." -Wayne the Main Brain McClane.

That sums up my entire feelings for this update. I cannot believe it. Holy hell, as if Brawl wasn't already crazy anticipated enough, they hit us with this. Can't resist. It'll be great.

[Ab56 v2 aka Ash]

How does one install these into a wii?

There's a slot underneath the power button

[The Derrit]

to add yet more questions about the sd cards, how much does one of them cost?

[Dunther]

Wow...if someone remember I had the idea of an editor something like 200 pages ago XD ...

Two things can improve this great idea:
1) Mp3s from SD Cards
2) Backgrounds from SD Cards

Maybe this mp3s and backgrounds can't be shared, but it will be good anyway.

I'm sure that many good boys will recreate great levels from games of the past :)



Anyway.....porn background!!!! XD




to add yet more questions about the sd cards, how much does one of them cost?

I buyed a 1GB one from ebay at 5€ (+ 5€ of spedition)



Oh, just noticed that:
http://www.smashbros.com/it/gamemode/various/images/various10/various10_071029a-l.jpg
Floating DeDeDe!!!

[anthonium]

Wow so far this has been my favorite update! This game is gonna have tons of things to mess around with. I can see why it was delayed.

[GameBrain_vX]

I've recently been seeing advertisements for 2GB SD cards for $20 US. That should give you some idea of the cost. Considering that's 4x more storage space than the Wii has for half the cost of a controller, I'd say they're more than worth the investment.

[Dunther]

I've recently been seeing advertisements for 2GB SD cards for $20 US. That should give you some idea of the cost. Considering that's 4x more storage space than the Wii has for half the cost of a controller, I'd say they're more than worth the investment.

The real advantage of an SD card is that you can use your PC to backup everything and the SD to transport files from Wii to PC ;)

[megadave]

Killer update. Absolutely killer. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Halloween - I hope they will announce Ashley as a playable character and maybe her own stage too.

[atmuh]

now THAT is an update
no complaints here at ALL

[Azul v2]

Surprised no one has mentioned building a giant penis stage. I'm sure there will be a tournament on here on that stage alone.

[SirChadlyOC]

For those who are looking for a cheap, yet reliable SD card, the official Nintendo Wii cards are actually SanDisk brand. Since you have many months and weeks before Christmas and/or release day, keep searching internet retailers such as Buy.com for an SD card sale, and feel confidant buying SanDisk.

[Jaybell]

This music update is for naught if they don't have Stickerbrush Symphony for the Donkey Kong stage. There's honestly no excuse. I mean, you can have at least for tracks PER STAGE (at least from what we've seen.)

Also bramble stage plzkthx.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various10/various10_071029b-l.jpg

Who called it? ANSWER: ME.

Bramble stage is next. Or Missingno.

[Alpine Flame]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various10/various10_071029b-l.jpg

Who called it? ANSWER: ME.

Bramble stage is next. Or Missingno.

I did not call that. But I cried when the music started playing for the bramble stages.(I was slightly not sober and it was LATE.) So that would be epic. As would a gangplank galleon stage.

[Aninymouse]

Stickerbush Symphony really did put the icing on the cake for me this time.

Oh baby. Needs more David Wise!

[MechaFone]

That last update moved my testiclites to joy.

[Neo Samus]

Wow, I had a creepy dream that today would be some sort of Stage update, or that Ashley would be playable. O_o

This is the greatest update so far.

[Kiyosuki]

Being able to play against others online, even if you don't know them unless you get their friend code (and honestly thats what the Internet is for.), being able to make gameplay videos as an in-game feature and share them, and now building your own stages. This is really shaping up to be a mini world-wide phenomenon isn't it? I mean if Melee could stay as fresh as long as it has imagine this.

Maybe it'll be a nice wakeup call to Nintendo not to scoff so much at online functions in their games. I think its the wave of the future, look at what it could do for Street Fighter IV.

[Strike911]

<3 Bramble Blast

the music there is great. I'm glad they're taking tracks that were good from games and just shoving them in there. :)

There needs to be more DKC love in Smash Bros... I would love to see a level at Kremland. hehe. ^_~

[Cerrax]

I'vegot to say all the updates have been good, but this is epic.

^Oh and Strike911 has the greatest sig ever.

EDIT--Just read a few pages back. Even though there are 2 and 4 GB SD cards out, remember that the Wii is only compatible with 1GB or smaller. And even though yes SanDisk is the brand Nintendo uses, don't think that itsteh only one you can use. I have 3 1GB cards from some no-name company and they work great and were very inexpensive.

[MechaFone]

I have 3 1GB cards from some no-name company and they work great and were very inexpensive.

Marvelous! What's its name?

[phantomINTELLECT]

I seriously can't believe that this many people get a boner over a mario game

[MechaFone]

Are you kidding? Mario moves my test...wait, I already used that this month. Mario is the pinnacle of all that is game. What isn't exciting about it??

[Brushfire]

Mario is the pinnacle of all that is game. What isn't exciting about it??

Goombas. They are not exciting at all.

Except for the ones in Paper Mario. They are the exception.

[MechaFone]

Goombas. They are not exciting at all.

Except for the ones in Paper Mario. They are the exception.
Yeah. I liked Goombella. She's just the right height.

[SilverStar]

EDIT--Just read a few pages back. Even though there are 2 and 4 GB SD cards out, remember that the Wii is only compatible with 1GB or smaller. And even though yes SanDisk is the brand Nintendo uses, don't think that itsteh only one you can use. I have 3 1GB cards from some no-name company and they work great and were very inexpensive.

Incorrect. 2GB or smaller.

Proof: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX15152(ME).aspx

2GB SanDisk SD card. For Wii. Can't say that's not supported by the hardware, since it's actually marked as being for it.

[Red Shadow]

Those spikes are making me wonder what an official sonic stage will look like

[Airwalker]

Goombas. They are not exciting at all.

Except for the ones in Paper Mario. They are the exception.

The Goombas in New Super Mario Brothers are so cute--they dance to the music. Or are they singing? I dunno, but they jump to the vocals.

[MechaFone]

The Koopas do it too. I used to want to be a Koopa for Halloween.

[MasterSenshi]

Add this friends, tourneys (hopefully it's compatible), and the games popularity, and you have insane possibiliities. I am so not mad for them delaying now... if it helps get Ness in, I'll give them 3 more weeks. :p

[Global-Trance]

I seriously can't believe that this many people get a boner over a mario game

What an incredibly appropriate name you have.

[Bigfoot]

I seriously can't believe that this many people get a boner over a mario game

Wait, this is a Mario game?

Super Mario Bros. Brawl? WHOA

[friendlyHunter]

It may not be the best Mario game of all time, but it's a pretty good Star Fox game, the best Sonic game in a while, and hands down the greatest Ice Climbers game ever!

[SilverStar]

It may not be the best Mario game of all time, but it's a pretty good Star Fox game, the best Sonic game in a while, and hands down the greatest Ice Climbers game ever!

And the best Kid Icarus game, as well.

[Strike911]

^Oh and Strike911 has the greatest sig ever.

Thank you sir. ^_^

[Kiyosuki]

Incoming Japan Time was ok.

But it brought us this shot.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/various/images/various11/various11_071030c-l.jpg
The more I see Dedede in action the more I love him.

[Shonen Samurai]

1P mode. tenchar

[Linkjing Donuts]

where are the action-specific points, like Fighter Stance or Coward or Stale Moves or stuff?

[Strike911]

whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa


so you get coins but you don't spend them to shop for things? What so do you only use them for continues now? Because the whole pay to continue thing is a bad idea? I mean, think about it. When I need the continues is when I'll have the least coins. When I don't need the continues because I'm kicking total ass, I have maximum coins.

So what? They're only for continues now?! I wanna shop. I like the whole shopping idea. *frowny face*

But you knew that didn't you Sakurai? Didn't you?! I'm playing into your little mind game aren't I? Aren't I!?!?

Damn you sir. Damn you good.

I wonder what coins are for then if there not for buying stuff, or trophies, or ... things...


AH HA! THE OLD SMASH BROS wanted us to do a lottery. It'd be cool if you could wager coins against CPU opponents to unlock stuff. It would keep the gambling theme going... anyway... why is this bolded?

[Paratha]

where are the action-specific points, like Fighter Stance or Coward or Stale Moves or stuff?

Probably hidden.
Because in Brawl, CAPTAIN FALCON announces the action-specific points, adding "FARUKKON" before each.

Seriously though, it would be lulz if the final boss of single player classic as Snake was Ocelot's dismembered arm.

[Mastertoku]

I, for one, am glad - I had a terrible premonition that this mode would be omitted for some reason (being too outdated or something.) And - not like it was a question in the first place - this means Master Hand's almost definitely returning. (Hey, I'll take whatever confirmation I can get!)

[Scufo]

whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa


so you get coins but you don't spend them to shop for things? What so do you only use them for continues now? Because the whole pay to continue thing is a bad idea? I mean, think about it. When I need the continues is when I'll have the least coins. When I don't need the continues because I'm kicking total ass, I have maximum coins.

So what? They're only for continues now?! I wanna shop. I like the whole shopping idea. *frowny face*

But you knew that didn't you Sakurai? Didn't you?! I'm playing into your little mind game aren't I? Aren't I!?!?

Damn you sir. Damn you good.

I wonder what coins are for then if there not for buying stuff, or trophies, or ... things...


AH HA! THE OLD SMASH BROS wanted us to do a lottery. It'd be cool if you could wager coins against CPU opponents to unlock stuff. It would keep the gambling theme going... anyway... why is this bolded?
Uh, what. Coins were never used for shopping. Just the lottery thing.

[Dexie]

Didn't one of the updates say there'd be a way to upgrade your characters in Adventure Mode? Maybe the coins tie into that somehow?

[Alpine Flame]

I, for one, am glad - I had a terrible premonition that this mode would be omitted for some reason (being too outdated or something.) And - not like it was a question in the first place - this means Master Hand's almost definitely returning. (Hey, I'll take whatever confirmation I can get!)

Whoa. Maybe alittle (a few months) behind the times! Every mode in this game is made of epic win. Including one player. ALSO Raphael Raven for Brawl! Or a Belmont. Both would make me strak through the streets in crazed happiness. (Raphel as an assist)

[Cavanikus]

Didn't one of the updates say there'd be a way to upgrade your characters in Adventure Mode? Maybe the coins tie into that somehow?


maybe alt-costumes will have to be bought but there will be more creativity to them

[Dunther]

where are the action-specific points, like Fighter Stance or Coward or Stale Moves or stuff?

Shit...where are them?!

[Steben]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various11/various11_071030d-l.jpg

Huh. They are missing.

Well, at least now score will be a more accurate measurement of playing ability. Or rather, it'll be easier to rack up points, if that's your goal.

I'm sure they'll include a Bonus mode in Vs. or whatever, so it wouldn't be completely gone.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various06/various06_070928d-l.jpg

Probably under "Rules", like on this screen for tourney mode.

[Moseph]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various11/various11_071030d-l.jpg

Huh. They are missing.

Well, at least now score will be a more accurate measurement of playing ability. Or rather, it'll be easier to rack up points, if that's your goal.

I'm sure they'll include a Bonus mode in Vs. or whatever, so it wouldn't be completely gone.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various06/various06_070928d-l.jpg

Probably under "Rules", like on this screen for tourney mode.

A theory: There are unlockables that require getting X number of points in a particular game mode. Since the bonus points made it difficult to predict how many points you'd actually get from any given fight, they got rid of them to focus, as you said, on playing ability.

[nookster]

Little late due Metroid Prime 3 (bought yesterday) but....
Intruiging. I think (or hope, maybe that's a better word)the coins tie into an online friend system of some sort

[Hum4n After All]

Hmm that would make sense.

[linkspast]

Little late due Metroid Prime 3 (bought yesterday) but....
Intruiging. I think (or hope, maybe that's a better word)the coins tie into an online friend system of some sort

elaborate plz? cause I dont what to have to "pay" just so I can play online... Not like Id have a shortage of coinage.

[nookster]

elaborate plz? cause I dont what to have to "pay" just so I can play online... Not like Id have a shortage of coinage.

Nah, i dont mean in that way, although i don't really mean what i mean. Maybe the coin's are something you can collect together, and do stuff with...
No idea, sue me, i'm playing Prime 3 :D

[Linkjing Donuts]

coins probably do exactly what they did in melee: let you continue or bet on for trophies in the lottery.

[Thalzon]

If that's the case, then why the ambiguity? It wouldn't make sense, especially with all the other stuff he's talked about where he's said, "Yeah, this is back from Melee..."

[Baleshadow]

He'll probably explain himself in the next few days, since there seem to be a lot of game mode updates recently.

[Bigfoot]

Get an early start on making those stages!

http://mntorankusu.googlepages.com/brawlstageeditor.html

[Airwalker]

Get an early start on making those stages!

http://mntorankusu.googlepages.com/brawlstageeditor.html

I played with it. It just didn't fill me up--right here, you know. In the Brawl vestigial organ.

[Linkjing Donuts]

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9810/334567890bx7.png

[Geoffrey Taucer]

A halfpipe could actually be a pretty interesting stage; no way of defeating anybody except up top. Any other attacks would be useless, especially if your opponent can tech well.

[Strike911]

1 single block, surrounded by two spike squares. I call my creation, "you lose"! The comment: "Mwhaha"

One thing I kind of want to know is how spawn points will be handled... I'd imagine brawl can determine it on it's own, just find solid ground, but it would be cool if we could tell the level where to spawn people.

[The Tiger]

Get an early start on making those stages!

http://mntorankusu.googlepages.com/brawlstageeditor.html

I wonder how long it will take before someone makes a "Giant Penis" stage...

[Linkjing Donuts]

a stage of ladders, where you'll have to fight with only flying attacks

[Bigfoot]

Zelda's moves are going to be tomorrow's update. Her new down+b will change her into Krystal.

[Mastertoku]

ROB: The-Great-Fox-is-going-down.
Slippy: Waaaaaaaauuuuughh!!!
ROB: Danger. Danger. Impact-in-T-minus-twenty-five-seconds.
Peppy: What do we do, Fox?!
Fox: ...
Falco: Fox! We're running out of time here!
Fox: ...Abandon ship! ROB, deploy the escape pod!

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m285/Mastertoku/EscapePod.jpg



Soooo?... what do you think?...

[Neo Samus]

Glad to see the Classic mode is back. I never doubted that it was gone.

[Eulogic]

a stage of ladders, where you'll have to fight with only flying attacks

A single ladder. With "Snake Eater" playing in the background.

http://eu.unmod.org/pixplz/ladder.jpg

EDIT: Or maybe
http://eu.unmod.org/pixplz/ladder2.jpg

[Shonen Samurai]

T-minus 13 to JAPAN TIME. What's the givings, Sak-kun?

[Global-Trance]

A single ladder. With "Snake Eater" playing in the background.

http://eu.unmod.org/pixplz/ladder.jpg

EDIT: Or maybe
http://eu.unmod.org/pixplz/ladder2.jpg

Probably the best post I've ever seen you make.

[Aninymouse]

I'm thinking we're going to get an AT or Pokeball or some music. Ashley would be awesome but I'm not holding my breath for something like that for Halloween... too methological for Sakurai, heh.

EDIT: obviously the problem with a single ladder stage is that there's nowhere to start from! I don't think they'll let you spawn over a pit.

[Linkjing Donuts]

a stage where there is practically no way to recover without wall jumping

[Global-Trance]

a stage where there is practically no way to recover without wall jumping

We kinda got this with Fourside, but as much as I love Earthbound, that stage is pretty much garbage for the most part, IMO.

[Neo Samus]

This is why I don't wait for the updates. It's usually on time right? Except for the new character ones?

Edit: Never mind just refreshed again. Cool stage. I believe you can see this stage from the last official vid, yes?

[Shonen Samurai]

Fuck the Ice Climbers and everything to do with them

[Aninymouse]

ice climbers stage!

[Linkjing Donuts]

halloween is nothing to sakurai

[Red Shadow]

This looks like pretty much exactly what I wanted in a new ice climbers stage

[Shonen Samurai]

Dear new stages: Stop fucking moving

[Linkjing Donuts]

also, he says the fish is familiar. looks like the fish from balloon fight.



new character?

[Mastertoku]

Perhaps he's saving the Halloween update for the actual night of. As in, the next update.

[Arek the Absolute]

the stage that i dislike the most so far is starfox's mainly because its just a stage on an axis with an animated background.
the background in FD on melee blended in with the stage, but so far the background animation on the starfox stage *at least from what i saw on the vids at gametrailers* seems to totally not fit and looks ugly as hell

[Global-Trance]

also, he says the fish is familiar. looks like the fish from balloon fight.



new character?

This might be true... remember in Melee if you played the Icicle Mountain stage enough you'd hear the alternate music? The alternate music was from Balloon Fighter...

[Eulogic]

halloween is nothing to sakurai

You obviously missed the jack-o-lantern in the first screenshot.

As much as I would like to say this hints at a playable Balloon Fighter, Sakurai seems to group BF with IC in a "retro" category (see: BF music on Icicle Mountain in Melee), so the fish could just be along as part of that.

[Aninymouse]

Dear new stages: Stop fucking moving

custom stages are going to be very static, and there's an infinite number of those. to me, it seems like "the team" made a conscious decision to make all the new "official" stages dynamic to keep things from getting too stale.

besides, The Summit doesn't actually change all that much. you just get some water below you at one point, but really it looks to stay consistant.

so stop complaining like the sops at smashboards lol :-P

[Neo Samus]

You obviously missed the jack-o-lantern in the first screenshot.

Good eye. I totally missed that.

[Global-Trance]

You obviously missed the jack-o-lantern in the first screenshot.

As much as I would like to say this hints at a playable Balloon Fighter, Sakurai seems to group BF with IC in a "retro" category (see: BF music on Icicle Mountain in Melee), so the fish could just be along as part of that.

Yea it doesn't necessarily mean Balloon Fighter will be in it. Though I did hear Balloon Fighter was a candidate for Smash 64... unless I heard wrong.

[Neo Samus]

I never heard about that before. Where did you hear that from? That would be really neat if it is true.

[Raziellink]

If Balloon fight get's playable characters, then there only remains one question. Why's Little Mac just a Assist Trophy? Why Balloon Fight and not Punch-Out?

[JackKieser]

Dear new stages: Stop fucking moving

Dear Smash players: Static stages are for tournament only noobs. Let the man design; he knows what he's doing.

--Jack Kieser

[Fishy]

As long as we have a battlefield and an FD, he can do as many moving stages as he likes because everyones happy.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Haha, this stage looks awesome!

[The Author]

Is Dedede swimming in the last screenshot?

[Wipomatic]

Is Dedede swimming in the last screenshot?

Apparently you swim in water now instead of just treating it exactly the same way as air.

[Dunther]

A single ladder. With "Snake Eater" playing in the background.

http://eu.unmod.org/pixplz/ladder.jpg

EDIT: Or maybe
http://eu.unmod.org/pixplz/ladder2.jpg

Yeah, great idea...I remember that part of MGS3...




halloween is nothing to sakurai

Well...there is a pumpkin...
http://www.smashbros.com/it/stages/images/stage16/stage16_071031a-l.jpg

[Eulogic]

Why Balloon Fight and not Punch-Out?

Because Balloon Fight is a way better game than Punch-Out.

Also, if Balloon Fighter were playable, why would they put elements from his game on another character's stage? Unless the Balloon Fighter himself doesn't have a stage, which would be strange because any Balloon Fight stage would work as-is as a Smash stage.

[Sir_NutS]

yep that is indeed the fish from balloon fight.

I love the idea of this stage.

[megadave]

Because Balloon Fight is a way better game than Punch-Out.


I hate to bring you out into the light, but I'm afraid that you're wrong about that one.

[Eulogic]

Balloon Fight is a desert island game for me. One of the best games for the NES, if not of all time.

[MechaFone]

Perhaps a Bomberman stage? I remember the good old days of mulitplayer Bomberman 64. Oh, the sounds.
'Ah! Hm! Hup! Ah! BAM Hm! Ah ah hm BAM!'

[shikigami]

I hate to bring you out into the light, but I'm afraid that you're wrong about that one.

no, hes right.

[Kefjkarp]

Perhaps a Bomberman stage? I remember the good old days of mulitplayer Bomberman 64. Oh, the sounds.
'Ah! Hm! Hup! Ah! BAM Hm! Ah ah hm BAM!'

A Super Bomberman stage was the first thing I made with that editor but... Uh, I couldn't figure out how to show the picture here.

Wait.

A screenshot, maybe? Gimme a minute.

EDIT: K here

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l141/Kefkarjp/bombermanlevel.jpg

[Soma]

I visit the OCR boards everyday. Everyday this thread is always on the front page. I had no idea people liked Smash brothers this much. I rented 64 and unlocked all the characters in Melee but never played it much after that (lack of friends maybe). I would say I'm a fan and am going to purchase the game but I can't get excited over a new final smash/ support character being announced. I didn't know Smash fans were so hardcore. In conclusion Brawl is going to sell a shit-ton of copies, maybe more than Galaxy?

[linkspast]

In conclusion Brawl is going to sell a shit-ton of copies, maybe more than Galaxy?
Do you see a galaxy thread nearing 1000 pages? Yes its going to sell very well. Nintendo could never make another game after this and be good for the rest of their life.

[SilverStar]

Do you see a galaxy thread nearing 1000 pages? Yes its going to sell very well. Nintendo could never make another game after this and be good for the rest of their life.

After this game is released, the console war is officially over. For the next 6 bloody generations. And Nintendo won't have to do much else to cater to the "hardcore" crowd, because every last one of them on the planet, is going to be playing this and not caring about anything else.

[MechaFone]

A Super Bomberman stage was the first thing I made with that editor but... Uh, I couldn't figure out how to show the picture here.

Wait.

A screenshot, maybe? Gimme a minute.

EDIT: K here

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l141/Kefkarjp/bombermanlevel.jpg

Nice. Freakin' nice.

[Dhsu]

I keep seeing black dots in the intersections. :(

[MechaFone]

After this game is released, the console war is officially over. For the next 6 bloody generations. And Nintendo won't have to do much else to cater to the "hardcore" crowd, because every last one of them on the planet, is going to be playing this and not caring about anything else.

Just you wait. In about two years, maybe less, Sony and X-Box will market their own Smash Bros clone. Crash Bandicoot, Master Chief, and a few others (I'm all Nintendo right now, can't really think of anything else.) But mark my words, they will have a Smash Clone, and soon enough we'll have a giant System Wars Clone Wars break out. But we all know Nintendo's already won the war. Brawl is going to put all of us Nintendo'ers on the map in a way we never dreamed.



All hail Nintendo.

[Aninymouse]

I dunno about this "hailing" business, but I'd certainly send $50 their way <3



I think... this will be the last week I stay up-to-date with the Dojo. If nothing else I'll stop staying up past 4AM on workdays -___________-;;

[Effector]

Balloon Fight is a desert island game for me. One of the best games for the NES, if not of all time.

For truth. It is a highly underrated game - it's one of those games that's very satisfying to master. I really could play it forever. I was so glad to find it in Animal Crossing back in the day.

[Airwalker]

I dunno about this "hailing" business, but I'd certainly send $50 their way <3

I forgot all about the price. Wow, amazing to think it will only cost a measly $50. I would give Sakurai my first born child for a copy of this game.

[Brushfire]

A Super Bomberman stage was the first thing I made with that editor but... Uh, I couldn't figure out how to show the picture here.

Wait.

A screenshot, maybe? Gimme a minute.

EDIT: K here

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l141/Kefkarjp/bombermanlevel.jpg

This is a look into madness. There would be no jumping room.

I would still totally play this stage.

[Fenrir]

no, hes right.

No, you're all wrong.

[Scufo]

After this game is released, the console war is officially over. For the next 6 bloody generations. And Nintendo won't have to do much else to cater to the "hardcore" crowd, because every last one of them on the planet, is going to be playing this and not caring about anything else.
Actually I don't think SSM has a very widespread appeal. Brawl will be a great game of course, but I don't foresee anyone who's not really a Nintendo fan buying a Wii or anything for it. A lot more people have played Halo 2 than Melee, and I don't think Brawl will change that trend, awesome as it may be.

[Dunther]

Actually I don't think SSM has a very widespread appeal. Brawl will be a great game of course, but I don't foresee anyone who's not really a Nintendo fan buying a Wii or anything for it. A lot more people have played Halo 2 than Melee, and I don't think Brawl will change that trend, awesome as it may be.

I know many people who don't like Nintendo and like Super Smash Bros....
A boy that I know, doesn't even still play single player games, since he had Super Smash Bros. Melee....

[The Womb]

Actually I don't think SSM has a very widespread appeal. Brawl will be a great game of course, but I don't foresee anyone who's not really a Nintendo fan buying a Wii or anything for it. A lot more people have played Halo 2 than Melee, and I don't think Brawl will change that trend, awesome as it may be.

I actually agree
I love the SSB series but I don't really see how it could be a bigger entertainment hit then the 7th book of Harry Potter like Halo 3 was

[The Author]

I actually agree
I love the SSB series but I don't really see how it could be a bigger entertainment hit then the 7th book of Harry Potter like Halo 3 was

Hmmm, about 6 million sales for Halo 3, over 11 million for Harry Potter (most likely around 20-30 million today, and over 12 million sales for the Wii.

As long as half of the Wii owners buy SSBB, it'll beat Halo 3.

Harry Potter will win in any scenario.

[Steben]

Actually I don't think SSM has a very widespread appeal. Brawl will be a great game of course, but I don't foresee anyone who's not really a Nintendo fan buying a Wii or anything for it. A lot more people have played Halo 2 than Melee, and I don't think Brawl will change that trend, awesome as it may be.

OBJECTION! (http://objection.mrdictionary.net/frame_objection.php?n=2286530)

Sorry for pointing out the contradiction in your statement. I just beat Trials and Tribulations, y'see, and...

[Scufo]

Hmmm, about 6 million sales for Halo 3, over 11 million for Harry Potter (most likely around 20-30 million today, and over 12 million sales for the Wii.

As long as half of the Wii owners buy SSBB, it'll beat Halo 3.

Harry Potter will win in any scenario.
The Wii has been out a lot longer than Halo 3, plus it's already had a full holiday season.

EDIT: There's more Wii's in circulation than 360's? That's news to me.

[Steben]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

2 million more, if Wikipedia is to be believed.

[Bigfoot]

Brawl will sell TONS. By the time it comes out, everyone would have beaten Galaxy. Then people will need another fix. Since there aren't as many "hardcore" or amazing games coming out on the Wii, it'll be the Halo 3 launch for the Wii.

Well, I'm probably wrong because Nintendo rarely overhypes anything on TV. I mean, I only saw the Metroid Prime 3 commercial on TV once..

[friendlyHunter]

Brawl will sell TONS. By the time it comes out, everyone would have beaten Galaxy.
"everyone"? Oh geez, does that mean you guys are going to start posting Galaxy spoilers without mercy after Feb 10th? No matter - I probably won't have time to look on the internet because I'll be playing Brawl.

And speaking of TV: they'd better make another Smash Bros. commercial with big mascot costumes...

[MasterSenshi]

I think the college scene will help do some viral marketing this time around. Just like they did for Halo, I know there's lot of college students who love Melee, and with the huge hype the game has already, and the competitive nature of the game, it should be the must-have figher of next year, if not the must-have traditional fighter.

And yes, it will sell TONS!

[Global-Trance]

I don't know if Smash is anywhere close to being a traditional fighter, but that just might be me being picky. Regardless, Smash Brawl has been hyped up quite a bit through indirect means. Look at what these updates are doing to everyone.

[MasterSenshi]

Bonus,

That's what I meant. I just read the Virtua Fighter 5 review for 360. I'm pretty sure people don't think of SSBB as traditional, so I wasn't trying to compare something uber-realistic to the type of game Smash is.

Although there could be some folks who see it as traditional after nearly 10 years of being out..

[MechaFone]

lmfao. I'm sitting here reading all about this, while listening to the Sonic Advance 3 soundtrack, and I just happen to look up. Eggman was staring -right- at me on top of the page.

[Arek the Absolute]

raging demon
metaknight style

[eternal Zero]

lol sally forth.

demon is a good word to describe such a thing

[Mastertoku]

Remember, kids, aim well and sally forth!

Because... sallying is half the battle.

EDIT-By the way, folks, regarding the last screenshot on The Summit update, Dedede is swimming. It was apparently seen being done at E for all - rather than just plunging through water, one can swim through it...

[Eulogic]

yawn

hurry up and confirm alice already sakurai

[nookster]

Sakurai posts his updates early these days
Too bad about the update itself

[Arek the Absolute]

early?
you are just used to him posting late
he is actually putting them up on time now

[Hum4n After All]

Whoa, my eyes are tripping on me.

[Dexie]

yawn

hurry up and confirm alice already sakurai

...Alice? Who?

[friendlyHunter]

Heh, I was just about to ask who Alice is too, but I just remembered she's the hero from "Balloon Kid". You might even say she IS the Balloon Kid. Or, perhaps the Balloon Kid's sister...? Anyway, I hope she's in Brawl. Or even better: a Balloon Kid level with remixes of all the Balloon Kid tracks!!

...


... =(
Stupid fish, dashing my hopes. The best thing I can hope for now is SOME of the Balloon Kid tracks remixed in the Ice Climbers stage.




And, anyone know any specifics about the water? Can you "meteor smash" characters down through water? Can you attack while swimming? Can you jump, double jump... infinite jump? Does it slow you down? Can you skip across the surface? Do you float? Does the lava in Norfair act like water? Can you make water in the stage editor? Do items float? Does rock Kirby float? What is he like? It's not important. Particle man. Is he a dot, or is he a speck? When he's underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead? Nobody knows, particle man.

[Wipomatic]

And, anyone know any specifics about the water? Can you "meteor smash" characters down through water? Can you attack while swimming? Can you jump, double jump... infinite jump? Does it slow you down? Can you skip across the surface? Do you float? Does the lava in Norfair act like water? Can you make water in the stage editor? Do items float? Does rock Kirby float? What is he like? It's not important. Particle man. Is he a dot, or is he a speck? When he's underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead? Nobody knows, particle man.

You are several types of awesome.

[Critical Hit]

You are several types of awesome.

Agreed. friendlyHunter is the most entertaining poster by far in this thread on a consistent basis. Kudos to you, FH, and thanks for making this topic fun to read through all these hundreds of pages.:nicework:

[Kutrayn]

I'm going to assume that some of that was authentic question. I am also going to hope to God (and I'm agnostic!) that the kirby-rock question was for the sake of lyrics.

It looks like there will be free swimming at the surface of the water where if you spend too much time you will be dragged to the bottom by the Doom-Fish. It's hard to say if attacks will be available in the water, but if nothing else, you should be able to use your mid-air jump and recovery move to get out of the water and attack. Or maybe it's just a timing thing, like kirby's normal double-triple-quad jumps; awesomely useful, but limited.

Or, most likely of all, it is a hazard that compels your character to be a synchronized swimmer, where they will wait until an ice-climber uses side-special attack to fish the victim out and eat them as food.

[Steben]

I guess I'm not alone in being underwhelmed by the revelation of Meta-Knight's Final Smash.

Not that it isn't nice. It's just... nothing unexpected. I guess it's rough competing against a Stage Editor.

[BardicKnowledge]

I personally don't like Meta-Knight's FS -- I'd rather have a Shinkuu Hadoken kind of move that a Raging Demon...especially with a game as fast-paced as Smash.

Still glad to see that there's a lot of variety with it though; it makes the characters more unique.

[HideousBeing]

And, anyone know any specifics about the water? Can you "meteor smash" characters down through water? Nobody knows, particle man.
Actually, according to Gimpyfish62, you can meteor characters through the water. You can only stay in it for a limited time, and I don't believe you can attack in it.

[Imagery]

Wait a second. If the fourth button on the screen for screen caps/custom stages is "Submit," and the screen looked pretty much the same for replay videos, does anyone else get the feeling Nintendo will be doing a similar "submit one/receive one daily" thing with the replay videos? That would definitely make sense of the three-minute-per-video limitation.

[Red Shadow]

haha tea table

[Mastertoku]

Ike uses the Goddess's warp powder to travel? Freaking awesome.

[Global-Trance]

Wait... that's a CONDOR?! I always thought it was a pterodactyl.

[JackKieser]

It's too bad Link's intro is so GAY. A whirlwind? Seriously? That's a damned POKEMON MOVE. What happened to his awesome warp? Remember the one where he pulled out his sword and shield as he came down to the battle?

...good times.

--Jack Kieser

[Strike911]

Neato!!! <3 the Warp Powder! And ... heck, I just like them all. I can't wait to see the rest of them. Hopefully there are some really cool ones.

AND another thing, since Daylight savings time ends this weekened, I guess that means we get updates an hour earlier than usual from here on out. :)

Unless Japan time decides to be evil.

[DuskyFerret]

Wait... that's a CONDOR?! I always thought it was a pterodactyl.

Easy mistake to make. Just remember, to tell the difference, a Condor is a red cap stealing bastard.


It's too bad Link's intro is so GAY. A whirlwind? Seriously? That's a damned POKEMON MOVE. What happened to his awesome warp? Remember the one where he pulled out his sword and shield as he came down to the battle?

...good times.

--Jack Kieser

Uhh...Farore's Wind? May not be as cool but makes more sense than his previous entry. Could also represent the warp song in Majora's Mask if there were feathers...

I think they are trying to make the entries more like the characters travel or warp into the battle rather than just appearing from nowhere with a cool move. It has a better effect and adds to the game too IMO.

[JackKieser]

Uhh...Farore's Wind? May not be as cool but makes more sense than his previous entry. Could also represent the warp song in Majora's Mask if there were feathers...

I think they are trying to make the entries more like the characters travel or warp into the battle rather than just appearing from nowhere with a cool move. It has a better effect and adds to the game too IMO.

Farore's Wind is green. Plus, he didn't have it in TP. If they are basing things off of TP, then that can't be it. AT LEAST let Midna warp him in as a wolf and then have him transform! Something... badass! A little more befitting of the character... and more importantly my main.

--Jack Kieser

[Arek the Absolute]

deal with it

[DuskyFerret]

AT LEAST let Midna warp him in as a wolf and then have him transform! Something... badass!
--Jack Kieser

The answer to that is easy! They are obviously saving that intro for Midna and Wolf Link themselves :razz:

[JackKieser]

No! I won't deal with it! I'm going to start 100 online petitions to try to get this fixed; who's with me?

[/sarcasm]

--Jack Kieser

[Wipomatic]

It's too bad Link's intro is so GAY. A whirlwind? Seriously? That's a damned POKEMON MOVE. What happened to his awesome warp? Remember the one where he pulled out his sword and shield as he came down to the battle?

...good times.

--Jack Kieser

Ever played the first Zelda on the NES? Ever used the flute to transport between dungeons? Yeah

[linkspast]

It be cool if there was more than one intro for each character. Or if they interacted with each other on special occasions. Much like Ryu and Ken do. I mean If were going to be playing this for the next 100 years I want more than just one animation, or at least a way to toggle them on/off.

[megadave]

Has anyone ruled out Wolf-Link yet? Do we already know Link's down+B special?

[Sir_NutS]

<3 snake's classic intro.

[Red Shadow]

Has anyone ruled out Wolf-Link yet? Do we already know Link's down+B special?
bombs, bow, boomerang, and a chargeable spin

4 by my count

[Dhsu]

<3 snake's classic intro.
Seriously. I know it's bit silly to say this, but that kinda made my day.

[MasterSenshi]

We know basically the full movesets for the 14 characters at E for All. However, I didn't see F.L.U.D.D. used, and Sakurai did allude to there being more moves / character this time around, so they could've disabled the *extra* moves.

But with all the control diagrams, etc. on the blog that seems less and less likely. But I wouldn't rule out some additional functionality in the moveset, just maybe not enough to allow Wolf Like w/o an additional character.

BTW did anyone see videos or play Mario to see when he uses the F.L.U.D.D. moves? I didn't see a single one.

[Eulogic]

I saw FLUDD being used. It was in one of the vids on the Fire Emblem stage.

It's too bad Link's intro is so GAY. A whirlwind? Seriously? That's a damned POKEMON MOVE. What happened to his awesome warp? Remember the one where he pulled out his sword and shield as he came down to the battle?

It seems as though that's been taken by Pit. Regardless, the whirlwind is way better. It is reminiscent of a number of things from the Zelda universe (flute from original Zelda, Farore's wind, the Hyrule stage in the original Smash Bros., the golden frog tornado thing in Phantom Hourglass). What does the warp have going for it?

Also, since Ness had the coolest intro in the original Smash, it makes sense that they would bring it back. Given that Lucas has a different intro, I figure Ness has to be in the game with his original intro.

[MasterSenshi]

Yeah, it's on the blog... oh well, hopefully there's a few (or several) good surprises as far a new characters.

[Airwalker]

Something tells me that with the delay of the game by two months, we'll just have 44 more updates to the Dojo that are pure fluff.

Though, this would have been an amazing update if we didn't already know about it from E 4 All.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

I saw FLUDD being used. It was in one of the vids on the Fire Emblem stage.



It seems as though that's been taken by Pit. Regardless, the whirlwind is way better. It is reminiscent of a number of things from the Zelda universe (flute from original Zelda, Farore's wind, the Hyrule stage in the original Smash Bros., the golden frog tornado thing in Phantom Hourglass). What does the warp have going for it?

Also, since Ness had the coolest intro in the original Smash, it makes sense that they would bring it back. Given that Lucas has a different intro, I figure Ness has to be in the game with his original intro.

I forget, what was Ness's intro?

[Eulogic]

I forget, what was Ness's intro?

Runs in, explosion, blackened face.

You can see it at the beginning of this fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFLThUZKKcc

[Arek the Absolute]

I forget, what was Ness's intro?
psi teleport

[MechaFone]

It's too bad Link's intro is so GAY. A whirlwind? Seriously? That's a damned POKEMON MOVE. What happened to his awesome warp? Remember the one where he pulled out his sword and shield as he came down to the battle?

...good times.

--Jack Kieser
I'm not quoting your quote, but I was listening to the Kirby Superstar Floating Islands Of Grand Beach Manitoba OC Remix, by Double A Ron, and your sig's heads were moving perfectly with the music. Had to mention that.

[friendlyHunter]

Agreed. friendlyHunter is the most entertaining poster by far in this thread on a consistent basis. Kudos to you, FH, and thanks for making this topic fun to read through all these hundreds of pages.:nicework:

:oops: Aww, thanks alternate accounts! I mean...


...


o shit.

[HideousBeing]

BTW did anyone see videos or play Mario to see when he uses the F.L.U.D.D. moves? I didn't see a single one.According to E4A research, F.L.U.D.D. is quite poor. You can't aim it below horizontal, and the minimum knockback (uncharged) it does is like the effect of wind on dreamland64. Of course, Gimpy reminds us to not consider it final. They had limited testing time, so they may find a use for it yet.

[MasterSenshi]

OK, coolz. Thanks for the response.

[Jarvi]

Dang, I stayed up till midnight thinking I could see the update before I went to bed. Stupid weekends.

[Aninymouse]

Dang, I stayed up till midnight thinking I could see the update before I went to bed. Stupid weekends.

After that fateful night of staying up all night only yo be met with "You Must Recover!"... basially, if I'm up around 3AM then I check it, if not, then I just do it when I wake up.

[Mastertoku]

I'm not quoting your quote, but I was listening to the Kirby Superstar Floating Islands Of Grand Beach Manitoba OC Remix, by Double A Ron, and your sig's heads were moving perfectly with the music. Had to mention that.
I had to try that after I read it. Hilarious.

[Bigfoot]

Monday's update will be Norfair.

[Alpine Flame]

Monday's update will be Norfair.

Famous last words. Or, if you have inside information, like say, Martha Stewart, then...

Famous last words.

[Aninymouse]

I'm hoping that whenever Norfair gets revealed, they'll simultaneously release the music for that stage as well.

[Jaybell]

I'm hoping that whenever Norfair gets revealed, they'll simultaneously release the music for that stage as well.

That is exactly what I hope happens if there's a Bramble Blast stage.

EDIT: Bramble Scramble, rather. Bramble Blast was a kinda boring level in DKC2. Off the top of my head, the only other bramble stages I can think of is Screech's Sprint and the oh-so annoying last section of Animal Antics.

Woah, were those the only bramble stages in DKC2? Huh.

[Bigfoot]

That is exactly what I hope happens if there's a Bramble Blast stage.

People are already saying that it's in. I must have missed the link that confirmed this or something.

[Aninymouse]

People are already saying that it's in. I must have missed the link that confirmed this or something.

I think it's just a massive CLOUD of wishful thinking, good sir or madame.

We can only hope for a DKC stage. Or perhaps, at the least, the means to create our own, no?

[Bigfoot]

Just think, today would have marked less than a month until Brawl.. Damn this most delayed year of gaming ever!

Edit: but yeah, Monday will either be Norfair or Metroid AT.

[Antipode]

An interesting quote from IGN's newest Smash It Up, just to keep things moving:

You can go ahead and let go of the "Sakurai said only 1-2 more third-party spots" argument right now, because that's ridiculously outdated news. We know there are going to be more than that – count on it.

[Arek the Absolute]

ign
enough said

[Moseph]

An interesting quote from IGN's newest Smash It Up, just to keep things moving:

You can go ahead and let go of the "Sakurai said only 1-2 more third-party spots" argument right now, because that's ridiculously outdated news. We know there are going to be more than that – count on it.

When exactly did Sakurai say that, anyway?

[Critical Hit]

...IGN lol

[DJ SymBiotiX]

Omg Guys! Cloud!!!! :p

[Jaybell]

Not on the subject of Brawl, I know, but has anyone ever actually managed to get through a match with 99 lives each? I tried with my friends, but after the first fifteen lives we stopped caring and started goofing around instead of playing seriously. Another ten lives later, we got impatient and decided to see who could lose all their lives the fastest. Anyone ever go through 99 lives, without giving up and killing themselves?

[Zombie]

I think I have tried that before. If I remember correctly, we didn't get too far.

[Antipode]

No, but setting up a 99 life match with four level-9 ice climbers on Lightning speed with only super mushrooms on max is pretty fun, especially on the smallest stage. It's impossible to even tell what's going on.

[DuskyFerret]

Not on the subject of Brawl, I know, but has anyone ever actually managed to get through a match with 99 lives each? I tried with my friends, but after the first fifteen lives we stopped caring and started goofing around instead of playing seriously. Another ten lives later, we got impatient and decided to see who could lose all their lives the fastest. Anyone ever go through 99 lives, without giving up and killing themselves?

Yea I did it with friends. We were on Super Sudden Death though which was hilarious, but it probably doesn't count. I can't see how someone could sit through a whole normal melee with 99 lives. It would take hours. You would probably kill all enjoyment of that character and level you were playing. Imagine it on the temple stage8-O

[friendlyHunter]

I can't remember if it was 99 lives or something closer to 50, but in SSB 64 I played with 200% damage, items on "very high" with only bob-ombs, mines, and bumpers. And I think it was on Peach's Castle. Needless to say, it was great fun. I can't remember if we played all the way to the end though...

[RealFolkBlues]

Me and my friends did it straight up, right after Melee came out. No Sudden Death, no nothing. I think we were at Onett. And yes, it did last about three hours. Silly lock-ins. I'm pretty sure I won, actually. Samus is damned good for the long haul.

[Dhsu]

I always wished there was a way to combine Super Sudden Death with Lightning Melee. Maybe in Brawl...

[Jaybell]

Yea I did it with friends. We were on Super Sudden Death though which was hilarious, but it probably doesn't count. I can't see how someone could sit through a whole normal melee with 99 lives. It would take hours. You would probably kill all enjoyment of that character and level you were playing. Imagine it on the temple stage8-O

Hahahaha! That reminds me, it's absolutely awesome to do a timed match on Super Sudden Death.

[Linkjing Donuts]

a couple friends of mine told me they tried it. took them hours, but they went through all 99 lives

[Aninymouse]

I'm one of the ones who tried it but just got bored after about stock number 60 or so...

About IGN telling us to expect more than three 3rd party characters, well... they'll post any rumor so long as it gets them attention. Until I hear it from the horse's mouth, I'm not biting.

[Airwalker]

Hey, with Daylight Savings Time, we essentially get our updates an hour earlier now, huh? :-P

[Rambo]

Hey, with Daylight Savings Time, we essentially get our updates an hour earlier now, huh? :-P

errr... Don't we essentially get them an hour later? :|


As for the 99 stock thing. I've done it once with a friend. We recorded the entire thing on VHS hoping for some golden material... but as the night went on it just got worse and worse... and there was nothing worth watching twice - aside from humiliating back to back suicides and such.

[Airwalker]

Japan doesn't have daylight savings time. So, it's Fall--we fall back an hour relative to Japan. So, while it would have been 2 AM usually (update time in my time zone), the clock will say 1 AM now, when it would really have been 2 AM just a week before.

Am I wrong? These fall back, spring forward hour things always make my brain hurt.

[friendlyHunter]

It took me a few minutes to convince myself, but Airwalker's right - Japan Time is now an hour earlier for us daylight savings time nations. That is, unless Japan has some sort of crazy double daylight savings time. But who cares, tonight's update is going to be late anyway. The Ridley mascot in the corner of the screen tells me this one's gonna be big...

...and late.

[MasterSenshi]

People are already saying that it's in. I must have missed the link that confirmed this or something.

It was confirmed about the same time the Stage Editor was...

As well as an Earthbound/Mother related stage. Well the music was confirmed for both, so we can just hope for an awesome DKC 2 themed level (or DKC anything), due to Diddy's inclusion. :p

[MasterSenshi]

I always wished there was a way to combine Super Sudden Death with Lightning Melee. Maybe in Brawl...

You can do Fast mode, with 300%, whether fast is the same as lightning was in melee, or if they keep the option in though, is up in the air.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various04.html

[Antipode]

About IGN telling us to expect more than three 3rd party characters, well... they'll post any rumor so long as it gets them attention. Until I hear it from the horse's mouth, I'm not biting.
They used the exact same words, "count on it", when talking about whether or not Sonic might be in it awhile back. Just sayin'.

Also a Bramble stage would improve my enjoyment of this game by so much...

[Arek the Absolute]

but it is fucking
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[JackKieser]

Nicholas has a point...

BTW, I'm really hoping you're all right about the DST thing. Getting to be an hour earlier would be nice...

--Jack Kieser

[Triad Orion]

Yeah, I don't trust IGN as a reliable source of information. They're an infamous hype machine and it's best to take anything they say at all with a grain of salt. While that's true of any media form, one must really keep reasonable doubt in mind.