Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Critical Hit]

Plus, having Sonic as one of the 3rd party characters WAS an obvious choice...anyone could have called that one with confidence, and in fact, plenty of people here and elsewhere DID. It's like calling Bowser as the final boss to Mario Galaxy; it might NOT happen, but it more than likely WILL happen.

[linkspast]

Oh yeah early updates... oh yeah.... and two at that...

and I leveled up...

[Linkjing Donuts]

hah! hour-early updates from now on

edit: jacked. but that cutscene looked amazing

[Jam Stunna]

Holy crap, I swear to God that I will main Ike just because of that song.

[JackKieser]

HOLY SHIT! They have fuckin' Rayquaza in the SSE! You have no clue how much happiness this single video produces for a trainer such as myself. Besides the awesomeness of Fox reflecting Rayquaza's Dragon Pulse like that... but I have to wonder what pissed Rayquaza off so much.

I mean, I'm sure Fox's crash landing had something to do with it... but that bitch blasted out of the lake with a purpose. Not to mention that Pokemon, even legendaries, aren't known to attack non-Pokemon creatures... interesting...

--Jack Kieser

[MasterSenshi]

Awesomeness personified, if that makes any sense.

Anyway, so now we see Diddy, Fox and DK will join up, but how did Fox crash in the first place? And how did DK's jungle get overrun?

The game designers seriously are organizing this like they're on something bad, but still the game looks like enormous fun... now if we get more characters tomorrow, and maybe some more levels and an earlier release schedule.

Nice update. :D

[Ikuaod2]

Anyway, so now we see Diddy, Fox and DK will join up, but how did Fox crash in the first place?
Nice update. :D

I've been to a few forums and I've seen some people with animated avatars with the cut scenes from Smash, but they had it weeks before the release. (For example, the one with Diddy shooting his gun, I saw someone with that animation about a week and a half before it was shown on the website) Regarding the fox on, I saw a clip with fox flying around MetaKnights ship, and the ship attacked Fox that cause him to crash land... Zelda was on the ship or something too.

[KakTheInfected]

That's one shitty version of the FE theme. I'd rather have the SNES midi from the FE4 title screen.

[cobaltstarfire]

Wow that little cut scene was pretty awesome.

All I can say about that Rayquaza is PWNT.

*giggles*

I wish I could have brawl when it comes out, but I'll have to wait a year or two for when I can afford to buy a wii, much less brawl....

[Mastertoku]

Rayquaza? Hells yeah.

Wait... HOLY CRAP! Is he a boss fight!?

The moment when the Armada music started and Fox was silhouetted against the sun was just too perfect for words. It gave me goosebumps. I was going to try playing as someone other than Fox in Brawl, but this cutscene alone changed my mind. Fox is once again awesome in my eyes.

And... what happened to Donkey Kong?... I smell foul play.

Song is amazing... When the soloists began, I...

URGH! I WANT THIS GAME!

[Flaming Wuzzle]

The wild RAYQUAZA used DRAGON PULSE!
FOX used MIRROR COAT!
Critical hit!
The wild RAYQUAZA has fainted!
FOX gained 2200 Exp. points!

[Mr.Roboto]

Nintendo.What the fuck have you done.

You gave Fox a scouter..You fucking bastards.DO YOU REALIZE THE HELL YOU'VE BROUGHT UPON US!

[Global-Trance]

"And, yes, Diddy... it's over 9000. Just letting you know."

[Mastertoku]

The wild RAYQUAZA used DRAGON PULSE!
FOX used MIRROR COAT!
Critical hit!
The wild RAYQUAZA has fainted!
FOX gained 2200 Exp. points!
FOX grew to Lvl. 55!
FOX wants to learn FIRE SPIN.
But, FOX cannot learn more than four moves.
Delete move to make room for FIRE SPIN?
Yes <
No
Which move will you delete?
FLASH CANNON
EXTREMESPEED
MIRROR COAT
HELPING HAND <
Poof!
FOX forgot HELPING HAND. And...
Fox learned FIRE SPIN!
"Fox, get this guy off me!"
"Hah! Slippy, you're on your own! I forgot helping hand!"

[Cerrax]

"And, yes, Diddy... it's over 9000. Just letting you know."

lulz. That made my day.

On another note, seems that the ochestra and choir are good for more than just the main theme. yay!

[Wipomatic]

That's one shitty version of the FE theme. I'd rather have the SNES midi from the FE4 title screen.

lolwut

78910

[Raziellink]

Nice song. Nice vid. Nice work. :nicework:

[MasterSenshi]

I've been to a few forums and I've seen some people with animated avatars with the cut scenes from Smash, but they had it weeks before the release. (For example, the one with Diddy shooting his gun, I saw someone with that animation about a week and a half before it was shown on the website) Regarding the fox on, I saw a clip with fox flying around MetaKnights ship, and the ship attacked Fox that cause him to crash land... Zelda was on the ship or something too.

Thanks!:razz:

[JackKieser]

FOX grew to Lvl. 55!
FOX wants to learn FIRE SPIN.
But, FOX cannot learn more than four moves.
Delete move to make room for FIRE SPIN?
Yes <
No
Which move will you delete?
FLASH CANNON
EXTREMESPEED
MIRROR COAT
HELPING HAND <
Poof!
FOX forgot HELPING HAND. And...
Fox learned FIRE SPIN!
"Fox, get this guy off me!"
"Hah! Slippy, you're on your own! I forgot helping hand!"

I'm sorry... but Fox doesn't learn FIRE SPIN at lvl. 55...

He learns RAPID SPIN.

"Fox... do a barrel roll!"

"Peppy, I need three more levels before I can do that!!"

--Jack Kieser

[The Mutericator]

Nintendo.What the fuck have you done.

You gave Fox a scouter..You fucking bastards.DO YOU REALIZE THE HELL YOU'VE BROUGHT UPON US!


I'll get to work right away.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

"And, yes, Diddy... it's over 9000. Just letting you know."

Actually, it genuinely IS over 9000, if you remember...

"This baby can take temperatures up to 9000 degrees"

[Ninja-san]

Im not liking the fire emblem theme. Melees version just got you in the mode to fight. This is ok to listen to but feels like it'll bring the fighitng mood down while playing. Feels like one of those history films about world war and they have the a national theme playing in the background which you cant turn off.

[supremespleen]

Feels like one of those history films about world war and they have the a national theme playing in the background which you cant turn off.I actually really like that aspect. Seems to fit the Fire Emblem universe real well.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

This video was so fucking awesome! :-D
Gosh, I hate we are still 3 months away :-(

[BardicKnowledge]

I've been to a few forums and I've seen some people with animated avatars with the cut scenes from Smash, but they had it weeks before the release. (For example, the one with Diddy shooting his gun, I saw someone with that animation about a week and a half before it was shown on the website) Regarding the fox on, I saw a clip with fox flying around MetaKnights ship, and the ship attacked Fox that cause him to crash land... Zelda was on the ship or something too.

Not to be all GameFAQs forums or anything...but give us links to these forums that have early things.

In any case, awesome video! I wasn't as impressed with the song, but I'm not a FE player so it doesn't have enough meaning for me.

[Baleshadow]

I want a version of Comrades from The Sacred Stones as one of the Fire Emblem music choices. That is probably one of my favorite FE songs.

[Jam Stunna]

I want a version of Comrades from The Sacred Stones as one of the Fire Emblem music choices. That is probably one of my favorite FE songs.

If they had "Beneath a New Light" or "In the Name of Bern" from FE 6, I would be an extremely happy camper.

[Raziellink]

Im not liking the fire emblem theme. Melees version just got you in the mode to fight. This is ok to listen to but feels like it'll bring the fighitng mood down while playing. Feels like one of those history films about world war and they have the a national theme playing in the background which you cant turn off.

Melee's version was just some sort of latin song. This version "inspires the players to be brave", due to the lyrics in the song. Therefore, this song has meaning, and isn't expendable like the Melee's version.

[Strike911]

cool. I liked the music much better than the video this time.

Which is weird.

Fox is such a pretentious bastard. Just saying.

[Runty]

I personally really like the Fire Emblem music. The Latin vocals are a very nice touch, and the song's words actually have meaning (if you can understand Latin). Would've been nice to have Japanese lyrics, but I'll accept Latin.


Fox owning Rayquaza is pure gold. Considering that the big dragon is a likely boss, I can't wait to fight it (Rayquaza's genderless, btw:mrgreen:).

[Brushfire]

Rayquaza is lame and would never hang out in water. Kyogre would be much more beliveable.

[Eulogic]

I'm normally not big on movies, but that one was pretty good. Anyway, the SSE videos that were at E4All but have not been posted on the Dojo yet (such as the one where Fox's ship gets injured) can be found at gametrailers. That video specifically is at http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26662.html

[KakTheInfected]

lolwut

78910

10 isn't on SNES.

[Bigfoot]

10 isn't on SNES.

I think that just blew right over your head.

[JoeFu]

Awesome update.

The japanese commercials with the Fire Emblem song are 100% cheese with live actors to boot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAJhN5n9nBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-2kf1VKM1U

[Neo Samus]

10 isn't on SNES.

*wind rustling by* :wink:

This update(s) was awesome!! I really like the FE music, A big smack to anyone complaing about too much MIDI tunes. And Fox kicks ass!!!

[Hum4n After All]

Oh I see. I understand why Rayquaza would be cheesed off. He doesn't like any foreign beings coming onto whatever planet he is protecting.

[friendlyHunter]

Oh I see. I understand why Rayquaza would be cheesed off. He doesn't like any foreign beings coming onto whatever planet he is protecting.
And plus, it's Fox. I wouldn't want Fox on MY planet... would YOU?? Polluting the land with his Landmaster, decreasing airplane safety with his barrel rolls, reflecting things with his reflecting thing, being fast... he's a menace I tells ya!


I really like the FE music, A big smack to anyone complaing about too much MIDI tunes.
there are 2 many MIDI tunes!!!!1!1 jsut because there is 1 more that is not a midi does not mean that their r still 2 many that r midis although a slightly smaler percnetage of the songs revealled on the dojo so far r mi-*SMACK*


That's not to say I'd prefer more songs that are recorded live. I definitely enjoyed that FE one, and the live orchestra and vocals can really create a dramatic atmos-*SMACK*

[Neo Samus]

And plus, it's Fox. I wouldn't want Fox on MY planet... would YOU?? Polluting the land with his Landmaster, decreasing airplane safety with his barrel rolls, reflecting things with his reflecting thing, being fast... he's a menace I tells ya!



there are 2 many MIDI tunes!!!!1!1 jsut because there is 1 more that is not a midi does not mean that their r still 2 many that r midis although a slightly smaler percnetage of the songs revealled on the dojo so far r mi-*SMACK*


That's not to say I'd prefer more songs that are recorded live. I definitely enjoyed that FE one, and the live orchestra and vocals can really create a dramatic atmos-*SMACK*


*SMACK!!!!* :<

[Aninymouse]

If we don't get Norfair this week, then I expect something that has to do with F-Zero, definitely. Falcon or a stage, whichever, but mark my words...

I'd feel hurt if Sonic's stage got revealed and they saved the F-Zero stage for "last" among the revealed characters.

[Airwalker]

They haven't announced any of the four original unlockables: Captain Falcon, Ness, Jigglypuff, or Luigi. If they announce one of those and not Captain Falcon, then you can complain.

[Eulogic]

They haven't announced any character that has ever been unlockable.

[Airwalker]

It makes me think they won't announce them or any of the unlockables. The original four unlockables were unlockables in Melee. So, I gotta wonder--are all of these announced characters just the starting characters?

[Neo Samus]

It's been meantioned before, but again I would have to say that, I too, believe they will not announce the four "original" unlockables.

[Aninymouse]

Even so, it's hard for me to believe that the "big three" characters of the Kirby franchise are going to be available from the VERY start. I mean, maybe a franchise having an unlockable character isn't seen as a kind of badge of honor like I thought, but even so...

EDIT: Gah, okay, nevermind!

Mario / Peach / Bowser
Pikachu / Squirtle / Ivysaur / Charizard
Kirby / Meta Knight / King Dedede

all as starters seems both fair and sane.

[friendlyHunter]

They haven't announced any character that has ever been unlockable.
Woah, you're right. That explains why they haven't announced Ganondorf and Game & Watch yet. And Pichu, Dr. Mario and Young Link, we all know they're gonna be in.

...

......BWAHAHAHAAAHA!!! :lmassoff:


I also just noticed that Capt. Falcon and Ness were NOT unlockable characters in Melee. Food for thought.

Personally, I'd be disappointed with a Capt. Falcon dojo update, unless there's something awesome to go along with it like a stage, movie, song, or final smash. Although.... wouldn't it be 10 times more awesome if Falcon's final smash was shrouded in mystery until you see him do it on your own TV??? I can bet the first thing I'll do after unlocking Falcon (assuming there's no Dojo update for him) is do a Falcon vs Falcon match with Smash Balls on highest. Much showing of moves would ensue.



....anyone else have the Fire Emblem song stuck in their head all day? It makes for a badass national anthem, but it gets tiring after a while. Especially after playing the Temple stage in Melee too much =/


[Edit]
I can't remember if I asked this before, but I'll ask it now: did the Brawl demo have crouching and walking at the same time, like they kept showing off in the first and second trailers?

[Linkjing Donuts]

tomorrow's update - new item: stop watch

[linkspast]

Man I love these early updates...

[Bigfoot]

Luke Skywalker confirmed.

[friendlyHunter]

Quick, compile a list of games that have a stopwatch!!

I'll start:
- StarTropics
- Legend of Zelda
- Super Mario Bros. 2



...if that stopwatch does indeed stop time, perhaps Peach's final Smash (or rather, stopping time/putting everyone to sleep) is not as overpowered as we might think? Or, at least less advantageous than it was in "previous installments"?

ZOMG Stopwatch stopwatch stopwatch STOPWATCH....!!! =O

[MechaFone]

Luke Skywalker confirmed.
Haha yes I can see his final smash. The screen freezes, we pan in on Luke, we hear Ben say 'Use the force, Luke.' He raises his hand and force throws everyone off the stage.
Jedi Mind Tricks +5

[cobaltstarfire]

It makes me think they won't announce them or any of the unlockables. The original four unlockables were unlockables in Melee. So, I gotta wonder--are all of these announced characters just the starting characters?


I wouldn't think so, maybe I was hallucinating but I though Sakarui had mentioned something about debating whether to have certain characters at E for everyone cause they weren't starting characters. Or maybe I just construed that...

Or maybe I was just dreaming I dunno.

[Kiyosuki]

I know its late but isn't that Fire Emblem song godly? I'm glad to finally be able to hear it clearly without the banshee women at E for All.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-2kf1VKM1U
Edit: Yes I'm slow. lol
Yes I remember that. The old Japanese game commercials were great. I mean as cheesy as it is how could you not want to buy that game after seeing that?

I think the song totally fits the FE feel. And remember too all stages will have multiple songs that are selectable I think so there will probably be a more up beat battle song from FE in there somewhere.

[Antipode]

tomorrow's update - new item: stop watch

That's just what I was thinking.

[SoloGamer]

Quick, compile a list of games that have a stopwatch!!

I'll start:
- StarTropics
- Legend of Zelda
- Super Mario Bros. 2

Castlevania

Simon Belmont confirmed.

[Neo Samus]

I was going crazy at first trying to figure out why everyone was saying stop watch, but I finally looked closer at the pics and saw the watch. That is awesome. but the real question is......what does it really do???

[Brushfire]

It is obvious what the stopwatch will do: It will start a timer from 5 on someone you throw it at and once that timer reaches 0 it's an instant KO. Complete with a massive explosion. At least that is what I hope.

[Neo Samus]

For all we know it could have the opposite effect on someone/everyone. Like it could speed up the game play.

[Brushfire]

That would be interesting but not nearly as fun as the time bomb idea.

Think Halo's sticky grenades.

[E sharp]

the updates are getting pretty lame.
anyway I think the characters in the updates are part of the starting line-up and any unlockable character will not be announced.
But they should have amaterasu and megaman.

[Bigfoot]

the updates are getting pretty lame.
anyway I think the characters in the updates are part of the starting line-up and any unlockable character will not be announced.
But they should have amaterasu and megaman.

Less exciting updates are to be expected now since they delayed the game.

[Steben]

It is obvious what the stopwatch will do: It will start a timer from 5 on someone you throw it at and once that timer reaches 0 it's an instant KO. Complete with a massive explosion. At least that is what I hope.

What game is that from?

In Super Mario Bros. 2, StarTropics, and the original Zelda, the stopwatch just froze all the enemies onscreen. That'd be my guess - freeze time so that you can (a) deal more damage for free or (b) run away to get out of danger or grab another item.

Think Hiro Nakamura from Heroes. ;)

[Bigfoot]

My take on the stop watch is pretty simple.

Maybe it'll work like this: When used, everything(items, stage movement, music) except the user will be frozen in place for a few seconds(lets say 5 for example). The user will then have that time to beat the crap out of them. Players being hit won't be moved at all(think Ice Climbers glitch) until time runs out.

Or here's a theory for fun: Think of the timer on a Mario game when it gets low. The music speeds up, then every player has 10 seconds. When time runs out, the player with the higher % dies :P

[BardicKnowledge]

I think the stopwatch will trigger slow-motion gameplay for a certain period of time -- people seemed to like the mode in Melee, so why not throw some randomness into the main combat?

[E sharp]

I think it's just going to stop time for everyone except the person who used it for about 5 or 10 sec.s like in mario 2.

But I still say the most fun item would be the cane of pacci from minish cap.

[Alpine Flame]

I think it's just going to stop time for everyone except the person who used it for about 5 or 10 sec.s like in mario 2.

But I still say the most fun item would be the cane of pacci from minish cap.

And that would... flip players? Or maybe the floor underneath them, launching them in the air. Also, Belmont for Brawl. Im starting to consider holding my breath until the game comes out.

[Triad Orion]

Which Belmont? Simon? Trevor? Julius? Richter? ...Hell, any of 'em, really. XD

[Aninymouse]

So long as they use a Vampire Killer whip, who cares?

[Bigfoot]

They have to have the flame whip.

[Dexie]

Which Belmont? Simon? Trevor? Julius? Richter? ...Hell, any of 'em, really. XD

Juese. :<

Seriously, though, I think Simon would be best. More iconic than the others, IMO.

[!Nekko!]

I think 5 seconds would be too long. Maybe 2 or 3 seconds. I'm not looking forward to this though, if it is mass effect.

Also, theres a stop watch in animal crossing. I forget what it does, though. I think it's for when you compete with friends at catching fish/bugs or something. Only thing is that the stop watch is gold in AC, not blue.

Also, the Castlevania watch is a pocket watch, not a stop watch.

[OA]

Beam sword + Fire flower + Homerun bat = MIND BLOWN.


What will they thnk of next?

[Kiyosuki]

It has to be Simon. He represents Castlevania as a whole despite the fact he hasn't been in a newer game in a really long time.

That or you could have Simon, Richter, Trevor, Julius, and/or maybe Juste be different "colors" of the same character, though they probably wouldn't go that far and I'd hate for all those characters to have the same voice.

[Theory of Nonexistence]

That would be interesting but not nearly as fun as the time bomb idea.

Think Halo's sticky grenades.

They already have an item like that. The very first Smash Bros. Dojo update, the Gooey Bomb.

Whoah. I just looked at the Gooey Bomb page and the picture's been updated. Or added. I don't remember if it was there before, but the main image looks different than the gooey bombs in the other pictures.

[cobaltstarfire]

Maybe the watch doesn't do just one thing, it might be random with how it effects time, maybe sometimes it stops time, or slows it down, or speeds it up. Dunno how the effect would be dispersed though.

[Linkjing Donuts]

Gray Fox looks so much more detailed than Lyn or any of the pokeball pokemon


edit: ahahahah
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist11/assist11_071107e-l.jpg

[linkspast]

At first I thought he was to be playable..... dang.. sweet update though.... Id like to see More MGS

[Global-Trance]

AHHHHHHHHH I was calling him to be playable... but just missed it by that much...

[Eulogic]

omg blaze the cat confirmed

[Strike911]

YESSSSSSSsssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!

I'm so glad we're seeing some MGS love in the assist trophies; I had convinced myself that AT's were off limits for 3rd party characters..

well... here comes tails... o_o

[Global-Trance]

I wonder if you make him come out on the Shadow Moses Island stage will cause REX will step on him.

[Moseph]

I really, really hope he says "Hurt me more!!!"

[Eulogic]

if snake tries to shoot gray fox with a missile, will the missile not fire and snake say "no! i can't do it!"?

[BardicKnowledge]

Very cool -- but what about 3rd party items? I want a power ring like in Sonic SatAM...

[Azul v2]

Did they feel the need to accentuate Snake's ass so much?

[Linkjing Donuts]

Yes.http://www.ocremix.org/forums/dfgnjdjr

[BardicKnowledge]

No one seems to be complaining about Samus being accentuated.... :p

[Raziellink]

Well, seems like everybody was wrong by calling the stopwatch as next update. There's always tomorrow though....

[cobaltstarfire]

No one seems to be complaining about Samus being accentuated.... :p

Probably cause most of you are male, and there haven't been any ass shots of Samus, and even if there was she hardly has a large butt to be so...ahem prominent in any of the shots like Snakes has been.

[Aninymouse]

So... who is manlier? Snake... or Captain Falcon?

edit: PAWNCH!!

[Kiyosuki]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/images/assist11/assist11_071107a.jpg

Awww! It makes you want to use him as a playable character.

....

Awww! It makes you want to use him as a playable character.
Awww! It makes you want to use him as a playable character.

SAKURAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nookster]

two hints in there. The other one is, "you never know what is going to happen"
I think we're getting raiden (rayden?) from mgs.

[!Nekko!]

Come On Olga!

[Sir_NutS]

Doubt we'll be getting any MGS character past twin snakes. Although Metal Gear Ray does show up in the background, but it would be hard to see someone from a game that hasn't appeared in a nintendo console to appear in this game.

I had my hopes up for gray fox though. But I guess this is better than nothing.

[Raziellink]

Then i guess that leaves only one. Liquid Snake.

[Moseph]

Psycho Mantis or Ocelot would be kind of cool.

EDIT:
Discussion about Gray Fox probably went like this:

DEV 1: Gray Fox is cool. He needs to be playable.
DEV 2: He has wonderful potential for special moves.
DEV 3: He has a sword. We don't need another sword character.
DEV 1: ...
DEV 2: Assist trophy!

[ILLiterate]

Maybe Sakurai is hinting that playable characters also have their own assist throphies?

[Moseph]

Maybe Sakurai is hinting that playable characters also have their own assist throphies?

Basically, they’re guest characters separate from Smash’s playable roster! ... Bear in mind, though, that you can’t control any of the characters appearing on these pages (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/index.html). Let there be no mistake about that.


He's made it pretty clear that assist trophies and playables don't overlap. I think he's teasing us either because there's another (non- Gray Fox) Metal Gear playable in addition to Snake or because the rest of the playable roster is just so mind-blowing that we'll forget all about Gray Fox.

[Strike911]

Doubt we'll be getting any MGS character past twin snakes. Although Metal Gear Ray does show up in the background, but it would be hard to see someone from a game that hasn't appeared in a nintendo console to appear in this game.

I had my hopes up for gray fox though. But I guess this is better than nothing.

Well keep in mind that version of Snake that's appearing is the MGS2 version, not the Metal Gear Solid 1 one... PLUS the song from the Metal Gear Solid 4 soundtrack showed up too...

I would imagine anything (At this point) would be fair game, although, personally, I doubt there will be any more metal gear stuff in Smash Bros (besides music ... AND possibly [yet highly unlikely] one item)

[Cerrax]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/images/basic08/basic08_071107e.jpg
Is any one else wondering if you can grab Ike's sword while he is throwing some one?

[LagunaCloud]

God, the more I hear about brawl the more pissed I am that they pushed back the release date.:x:x:x:x

[Imagery]

God, the more I hear about brawl the more pissed I am that they pushed back the release date.:x:x:x:x

You know you might not be hearing some of this stuff if they hadn't pushed it back, right?

[Culturekoi]

You know you might not be hearing some of this stuff if they hadn't pushed it back, right?

It's a vicious cycle, eh?

[Critical Hit]

Little late on the whole "stop watch" thing, but I'd have to go against the general thought of "stops everyone/everything but the player who gets it (and procedes to thrash the other players)." If I'm not mistaken, there has been no item in the history of smash that is unavoidable. Even with starman the player has to actually make contact with the opponent, and it's not THAT hard to dodge and run if you're the one without starman. Even the "almighty" hammer has a variety of weak points that I think most every character can exploit if they're good enough. Point is, having a sort of "god" item like that seems unlikely to me, ESPECIALLY in that it completely stops the action, which is counter-intuitive in the smash bros realm, I think. Anyway, just my two cents.

Also....

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item11/item11_071106g-l.jpg

JAPAN TIME FOR BRAWL

[Ralphis]

I think it's likely that we're going to possibly see at least one boss character from each series playable so I don't think that characters like Liquid Snake are really THAT farfetched.

The heroes of each series have always been represented but more often than not the villains have been excluded from the rosters. Now we've got two of Kirby's opponents.

[Airwalker]

I think it's likely that we're going to possibly see at least one boss character from each series playable so I don't think that characters like Liquid Snake are really THAT farfetched.

The heroes of each series have always been represented but more often than not the villains have been excluded from the rosters. Now we've got two of Kirby's opponents.

On that note... Team Rocket/Team Aqua/Team Magma/Team Galactic for Brawl!

[Hum4n After All]

Hmmmm. I wonder how the Pokemon trainer dies?
Like losing a life.
Since he's not actually fighting.
A star KO. I wonder what he will do/look like.
Dissapointed/upset gestures?
Hmmm interesting.

[friendlyHunter]

What do Pokemon trainers do when they lose a battle on the show? Whatever it is, he'll probably do it. Either that or he'll explode. In the classic Smash Bros fashion of course.


If you press the attack button while shielding, you’ll grab. Give a try next time you’re shielding.
EASIER SAID THAN DONE....!!!! >=L




Is any one else wondering if you can grab Ike's sword while he is throwing some one?
No.


Grabbing Ike's sword would be pretty dumb. That would be like being able to grab Wario's bike when he's not riding i- o wait... Actually, it would be more like grabbing Link's bombs before they- oh, you can do that too. Actually, it's more like grabbing onto peices of Samus' suit and- oh hmmm....

Now, if Kirby eats Ike and gets his hair and his sword, and then Ike grabs Kirby's sword, can Kirby then make another copy of Ike's sword, and repeat until you have infinite swords? I think almost definitely yes.

[Culturekoi]

Now, if Kirby eats Ike and gets his hair and his sword, and then Ike grabs Kirby's sword, can Kirby then make another copy of Ike's sword, and repeat until you have infinite swords? I think almost definitely yes.

Quoted for awesome.

Funniest thing I've read all day.

[Scufo]

You know what I forgot about? The footstool jump. Did anyone try it out at E for all to gauge its effectiveness/difficulty?

[Bigfoot]

http://www.8bithero.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/roster.jpg

Aren't there usually an indicator on what character a player has chosen(like the coin or whatever on Melee).

Well, there's no cursors at all anyway.

[Critical Hit]

is dat sum luigi, falcon and ganondorf i see? Where did you find this, Bigfoot? Peculiar to say the least..50 character slots, damn...

*sniffle* I'll miss you Ness D:

[Arek the Absolute]

"There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now"

lol burn

[Mastertoku]

This update = Ness's epitaph.

[Paratha]

http://www.8bithero.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/roster.jpg

Hmm, I'm unable to make out the character between Link and Ganondorf. Who is it?

[Arek the Absolute]

http://www.8bithero.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/roster.jpg

Aren't there usually an indicator on what character a player has chosen(like the coin or whatever on Melee).

Well, there's no cursors at all anyway.
nice shoopin the person did there

[Bigfoot]

Hmm, I'm unable to make out the character between Link and Ganondorf. Who is it?

I'm guessing Zelda.


And I think it was kind of obvious that Ness was being replaced.

[Paratha]

Ha, that should have been obvious. My bad.

I suppose it remains to be seen as to whether or not Brawl will have character clones. If clones return, Ness might still have a chance of being playable. If he isn't, hopefully he makes an appearance as an AT in which he complains about not being included. :P

[Bigfoot]

Don't quote me on this, but I think someone said they were getting rid of clones. So if Ganondorf is in, he'll have his own set of moves.

[Jam Stunna]

Eh, 50 characters seems like a bit much.

[Ralphis]

Guys, Ness isn't gone. Seriously, get real.

[Bigfoot]

Guys, Ness isn't gone. Seriously, get real.

He's right. He only dyed his hair.

[Antipode]

Eh, 50 characters seems like a bit much.

I disagree, personally - why not? The more the better! It would only mean lots more variety and fanservice and plus it would be much more likely that a character suits you really well.

[Citris]

Eh, 50 characters seems like a bit much.

This is the type of game that should have an insane amount of characters. It kind of goes with the whole...theme...I guess. I don't know. More characters just seem like more chaos. Which is good in this case.

[Brithor]

Ok, so now that Ness' gone, what happens to your 'They won't reveal any SSB64 secret characters, but they will be in SSBB' theory? I phear for my Captain Falcon :(

[Arek the Absolute]

Captain Falcon has a far better chance of being in the game than Ness ever had. Captain Falcon does not have a playable character representing his series yet, while Earthbound has Lucas.

With Lucas being playable, you had to figure that Ness was probably going to get shafted...that or becoming an assist trophy.

[Dunther]

There are too many references to Ness....he will be in, I feel it.

[Brithor]

Well seeing as Lucas totally jacked Ness' moveset, and seeing that there's supposed to be no more clones, one would think Ness is gone. Unless that is, they gave him a totally new moveset (which I wouldn't mind, as Ness rocks)

[Bigfoot]

There are too many references to Ness....he will be in, I feel it.

No he won't. Paula will though, as an assist trophy. She'll pray.

[Scufo]

Bye Ness.

It's really too bad that we're losing one of the classic characters. But, it does show the devs' willingness to get rid of some characters, which I think is good. No one will complain if Young Link or Pichu don't make it in, for instance. Might as well reduce the clutter on the character select screen. Still though, it kinda sucks that they're (probably) keeping Mr. Game & Watch, but not Ness.

[MechaFone]

I doubt a pregame screen would have all their characters out to play. So if 50 seems a bit excessive, I'd bet they have at least ten more slots not shown.

[Baleshadow]

Putting all this effort and focus on Lucas makes me more hopeful for a Mother 3 release on VC.

[Bigfoot]

Putting all this effort and focus on Lucas makes me more hopeful for a Mother 3 release on VC.

Mother 3 is GBA, so it won't be on the VC, unless you meant Mother 2.

[Cecilff2]

For this travesty, they must make a Ness AT that does Psi Rocking on everyone.

[Baleshadow]

Mother 3 is GBA, so it won't be on the VC, unless you meant Mother 2.

I'm sure Nintendo could figure something out, like putting it on the WiiWare channel, maybe.

[Steben]

Bye Ness.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I refuse to believe it. I will play Smash Bros. Brawl 24/7 upon its release until Ness is unlocked.

[Dexie]

I think Ness'll still be around, as a really hard to unlock character, maybe?

He'll use his own versions of Fire and Thunder, share Magnet, and have Flash instead of Freeze. He'll also use his own standards attacks like he had in Melee, keeping the bat and yoyo while Lucas gets the rope snake.

Or maybe, they plan on retooling his moveset completely, giving him moves that he actually used in Earthbound, instead of taking them from Paula?

[Morrack]

I hope all characters in Brawl will have a unique playstyle, not like in Melee where we had useless copycats such as Pichu, Dr. Mario and Young Link.
But it does seem that way luckily, seeing that Lucas is not just a simple Ness-copy but plays differently (so perhaps there will be a Ness after all :razz:).

And if they bring back Ganondorf (which I hope), it would be nice if he wasn't just a Captain Falcon clone like in Melee but a character with his own cool design. At least give him a range attack (I mean, he IS a wizard after all). In Melee, he was more like a Street Fighter :|.

'Fear my mighty foot of darkness!'' (.......)

[cobaltstarfire]

I wouldn't say young link plays that similarly to big link at all to be honest...Although he probably isn't going to be included anyway since he still counts as a "clone" move set wise.

[SirChadlyOC]

My theory is that we will still have clones, but they will be in some sort of different section. My original thinking is that the clones would be like alternate costumes for players. For example, a Link "costume" would be Young Link. Also, selecting Zero Suit Samus will be done the same way, by selecting an alternate form of Samus. Some players won't have any clones, I'm sure, but I think they will still be selectable.

What makes me think this mostly revolves around Luigi. There is NO WAY that Luigi could be removed from this game, but his style of play is so similar to Mario (but not quite the same), that he would constitute a clone. I think seeing Lucas' moves are just like Luigi's, in that they are just a bit different from Ness to feel like a different character. Therefore, I bet Ness is still in, and either he or Lucas is the clone.

Also, I'm predicting that Daisy will be playable in Brawl as a clone of Peach.

[Bigfoot]

For this travesty, they must make a Ness AT that does Psi Rocking on everyone.

That gives me an idea. How about an Earthbound AT? The whole team each unloads an attack on the players.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4148/ssbebld6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Kureejii Lea]

What's with all this clone talk? Wasn't it said ages ago that any of the former clone characters would be completely retooled, if not cut?

[Airwalker]

That gives me an idea. How about an Earthbound AT? The whole team each unloads an attack on the players.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4148/ssbebld6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That fake screenshot... just made me creme my pants. Please make this real!

[Eulogic]

What makes me think this mostly revolves around Luigi. There is NO WAY that Luigi could be removed from this game, but his style of play is so similar to Mario (but not quite the same), that he would constitute a clone.

Did you play Melee? Luigi's moveset could only be compared to Mario's in appearance, and his style of play is completely different.

Heh, I like how everyone's lamenting the loss of Ness while you are still only assuming. First of all, the "no clones" thing (about which I never actually saw evidence of Sakurai himself saying) would be years old, thus subject to have changed, even if true. Second, we don't know how Sakurai defines a clone (comparing Mario and Dr. Mario is quite different from comparing Mario and Luigi, for example). He seemed to focus quite a deal on the differences between Ness and Lucas in his most recent update. Really, the only move that seems to function exactly like Ness' is his up-B (and that includes different standard moves).

I'm not saying Ness is going to return. In fact, I think there is a reasonable chance he's gone. I am tired of all these posts saying "OHG OD WAHT ISHE GONA DO SINCE NESSS IS DEF OUT NOW!!" when Ness also has a decent chance of being back.

[cobaltstarfire]

Did you play Melee? Luigi's moveset could only be compared to Mario's in appearance, and his style of play is completely different.

All the "Clones" play different than what they're a copy of, but they still are visibly the same for the most part. Falco is a clone of Fox by the meaning clone is given when people talk about this. Fox and Falco do not play the same but Falco is still considered a clone.

Right now unless Ness has a completely new move set he's probably not in the game as a player character because that would make Lucas a clone because they seem to have quite a few similarities. (I think that's where the discussion started on clones).

[Bigfoot]

In fact, I think there is a reasonable chance he's gone.

Reasonable? I think this has pretty much indicated that he's gone: "There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now"

Also, I love how everyone seems to be so happy that Yoshi is getting up-smashed.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2995/lucas071108alrh8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Eulogic]

Reasonable? I think this has pretty much indicated that he's gone: "There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now"

I took that as "to this point" rather than "but not anymore."

I understand that you think I have a weak argument, but my argument is not that Ness will return, but simply that you should not take your assumption that Ness will not return as fact.

[BardicKnowledge]

I'm impressed that they've redone all of Lucas' normal moves as well. Which, by the way, also means that Ness isn't neccessarily (no pun intended) out of the picture just yet.

[Bigfoot]

I took that as "to this point" rather than "but not anymore."

I understand that you think I have a weak argument, but my argument is not that Ness will return, but simply that you should not take your assumption that Ness will not return as fact.

You're right, it could be taken either way.

[Shonen Samurai]

This is the update I've been waiting for. Every JAPAN TIME I hit F5, praying for a Lucas moveset.

And at the same time, I'm worried that this is a death knell for my Nessticle.

But! Nice moveset! And they kept his almighty back-kick, plus he can tether-grab ledges (and people!) now. Ness' grab range was utter trash and it's nice to see that they've improved on it. Now if they just keep his ridiculously overpowered back-throw, we'll be in good shape.

[Global-Trance]

If they do rework Ness, here's to hoping for PSI Starstorm to ruin everyone's shit.

[Arek the Absolute]

If they do rework Ness, here's to hoping for PSI Starstorm to ruin everyone's shit.

that would just be fucking odd
psi rockin plz?

[Global-Trance]

that would just be fucking odd
psi rockin plz?

Oh Dammit! I could have swore Ness learned at least the Alpha stage of it. Nope. Not even. ;___;

...

Here's to hoping Poo is in this and rapes with Starstorm.

[Bigfoot]

If they do rework Ness, here's to hoping for PSI Starstorm to ruin everyone's shit.

Ness is good, but he isn't THAT good. ;P

[Strike911]

It certainly seems to be implying that Ness won't be in the game or that Ness will be different, but then again, implications aren't necessarily implicit statements.

Personally, I feel as if Ness will have a new moveset (or at least a heavily modified moveset)... that's what this update makes me think. It's talking about the differences between the two.

I guess I don't know, but that's what I'm leaning with right now. Certainly hope to see Ness in there, he's been a staple of the Smash Bros franchise, but I guess I'll be cool if Lucas replaces him altogether.

[megadave]

Is it just me or does anyone else get the impression that there is some anomaly with how everyone posts in this thread? I mean, there have to be some of you that are more excited about some other game, perhaps more than Brawl?

No, I'm not trying to troll, I'm just thinking about it. I mean, we have Galaxy coming out in a few days, and this is still getting more posts (like this one, for instance).

This thread seems to be the black hole of OCR, sucking in the various posts on this forum that would otherwise go to other game threads. I know, I know, this game is going to awesome, and I'm very excited about it too. It just seems weird, you know? This thread has more posts than the Wii thread itself!

I don't get it.

[MechaFone]

I guess I can see your point...every morning I check out the dojo to see what's been updated, then I come here, right -here-, and I see what people are saying. Maybe there's this really really well hidden hypnotic device inside the dojo that makes you go to other people and discuss Brawl so by the time it's out, there won't be a man, woman or child alive not kicking and screaming to get their hands on a copy!!!...well, it's just a theory.

[Arek the Absolute]

Is it just me or does anyone else get the impression that there is some anomaly with how everyone posts in this thread? I mean, there have to be some of you that are more excited about some other game, perhaps more than Brawl?

No, I'm not trying to troll, I'm just thinking about it. I mean, we have Galaxy coming out in a few days, and this is still getting more posts (like this one, for instance).

This thread seems to be the black hole of OCR, sucking in the various posts on this forum that would otherwise go to other game threads. I know, I know, this game is going to awesome, and I'm very excited about it too. It just seems weird, you know? This thread has more posts than the Wii thread itself!

I don't get it.

rockband
by like a million

[Bigfoot]

Is it just me or does anyone else get the impression that there is some anomaly with how everyone posts in this thread? I mean, there have to be some of you that are more excited about some other game, perhaps more than Brawl?

No, I'm not trying to troll, I'm just thinking about it. I mean, we have Galaxy coming out in a few days, and this is still getting more posts (like this one, for instance).

This thread seems to be the black hole of OCR, sucking in the various posts on this forum that would otherwise go to other game threads. I know, I know, this game is going to awesome, and I'm very excited about it too. It just seems weird, you know? This thread has more posts than the Wii thread itself!

I don't get it.

Well, this game is given an update every weekday for us to discuss, and no other game gets that treatment.

[Arek the Absolute]

also the kirby super star remake
definitely looking forward to that more than this game

[Broken]

Ness is good, but he isn't THAT good. ;P

Clearly you haven't seen me play Ness yet.

j/k


So, How cool would it be if assist trophies interacted with one another and other characters (aside from beating the snot out of the latter group). So, if there's a metal gear rex trophy, he'll fight Grey Fox and or Snake in lieu of other characters. It would suck if they turned on you but I think it would make things more interesting than just "assist trophy, go!"

[MechaFone]

Has anyone thought that if they played to a certain extent, or if they used the assist trophies enough, they would be unlocked as playable characters? Just a thought.

[Hum4n After All]

This kid is the biggest cunt ever.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a352/ChaosSorceror/cuntmouth.jpg

[linkspast]

Has anyone thought that if they played to a certain extent, or if they used the assist trophies enough, they would be unlocked as playable characters? Just a thought.

Nope and am sure they wont be I belive somewhere it was stated in the blog you cannot control the AT.

and dont be a jerk...

[Global-Trance]

This kid is the biggest cunt ever.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a352/ChaosSorceror/cuntmouth.jpg

look at that douchey face of his

[Arek the Absolute]

Has anyone thought that if they played to a certain extent, or if they used the assist trophies enough, they would be unlocked as playable characters? Just a thought.

Not going to happen.
Seriously, that would not happen. That would require wayy to much work.


Also, money is on Ness being an assist trophy.

[MechaFone]

and dont be a jerk...

O.o?

tenfreakinchar

[friendlyHunter]

Is it just me or does anyone else get the impression that there is some anomaly with how everyone posts in this thread? I mean, there have to be some of you that are more excited about some other game, perhaps more than Brawl?


Ever since the first Japan Time, this has been the only thread that I read practically every post in. The daily updates just make this thread... addicting. If I didn't read it, I'd feel like I'm out of the loop like those guys who periodically pop in and say "DID YOU KNOW SONIC IS IN THIS GAME???" It's like a place where I get to yell random crap, and all the other Brawl addicts have no choice but to listen. It's like the Super Bowl. Except I care about it.

[Admiral_C]

Has anyone thought that if they played to a certain extent, or if they used the assist trophies enough, they would be unlocked as playable characters? Just a thought.

Crazy Idea...
Certain Assist Trophies are actually playable characters that have yet to be unlocked!

Probably wishful thinking... but it would be nice...

Yes... its been thought of before. And seriously... STOP being a jerk...

[MechaFone]

I'm sorry. I'm not sure what I'm saying wrong, but I'ma shut up.

[Admiral_C]

I'm sorry. I'm not sure what I'm saying wrong, but I'ma shut up.

LOL.... you're not saying anything wrong. I just thought it was wildly hilarious to continue to accuse you for something you obviously didn't do...

Sorry, I'm kinda crazy like that... but it was funny :)

[MechaFone]

Well...well...that's mean. Just for that, I'm not going to tell you how to unlock Little Mac as a playable character.

[Global-Trance]

So... any bored Melee players in the Bay Area of CA want to play with me? :D

[Moseph]

In a desperate attempt to glean more Ness info, I have taken the liberty of translating the first sentence of the most recent update from the Spanish and German versions of the page.



English:
There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar.

Spanish:
Surely you remember Ness, a person who has appeared in previous editions of Smash Bros.

German (I know almost no German, BTW, so this may not be too accurate):
In the Smash Bros. series so far, a character named Ness appears [has appeared?].



Both the Spanish and German seem to avoid any reference at all to the present time in their mentions of Ness. The point, as near as I can tell, is that Sakurai is telling us nothing at all about whether Ness is currently in Smash. Probably the English phrase "up until now" is a translation quirk and not meant to imply that he's no longer there.

Can anyone translate the Japanese?

[Jaybell]

Hahaha! PSI Rockin would TOTALLY be Ness' Final Smash.

IF HE'S IN TEH GAYM BUT HES NOT SAD CRY TEARZ WHY SAKURAI WHYYY

also!

This kid is the biggest cunt ever.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a352/ChaosSorceror/cuntmouth.jpg

Say that Kyle Hyde, Mega Man, and Missingno will not be in the game in any way shape or form.

And say there won't be a bramble stage.

[Drack]

In a desperate attempt to glean more Ness info, I have taken the liberty of translating the first sentence of the most recent update from the Spanish and German versions of the page.



English:
There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar.

Spanish:
Surely you remember Ness, a person who has appeared in previous editions of Smash Bros.

German (I know almost no German, BTW, so this may not be too accurate):
In the Smash Bros. series so far, a character named Ness appears [has appeared?].



Both the Spanish and German seem to avoid any reference at all to the present time in their mentions of Ness. The point, as near as I can tell, is that Sakurai is telling us nothing at all about whether Ness is currently in Smash. Probably the English phrase "up until now" is a translation quirk and not meant to imply that he's no longer there.

Can anyone translate the Japanese?

いままでのスマブラシリーズに登場していた“ネス”という
キャラクターがいますが、リュカはそれに近いです。

The key word is いままで, or "imamade" which means "up until the present" or "so far" or "until now."

Up until the present Smash release, Ness has appeared as a character. Besides, Lucas is similar.

[Fo0dNippl3]

I've heard suggestions of a kind of Mario and Luigi relationship between Ness and Lucas. Move- and playstyle-wise, I mean.

[Moseph]

いままでのスマブラシリーズに登場していた“ネス”という
キャラクターがいますが、リュカはそれに近いです。

The key word is いままで, or "imamade" which means up until the present.

Up until the present Smash release, Ness has appeared as a character.

Hmm ... seems that the English version is the most literal translation. We're back where we started, I guess.

[Antipode]

If there ARE 50 characters, which I somewhat doubt there are, then there's absolutely no excuse for excluding ness and captain falcon. I guess we'll just have to wait.

[The Author]

If there ARE 50 characters, which I somewhat doubt there are, then there's absolutely no excuse for excluding ness and captain falcon. I guess we'll just have to wait.
There is one for Ness:

He was replaced.


Deal with it.

[Makai]

Why would they bother making his moveset different than Ness' if Ness wasn't going to be in the game?
Ness will be in the game.
Marth will be in the game.
All unique movesets from Melee will be in the game. (Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Game and Watch, Captain Falcon)

They're not going to toss out a perfectly good character that has already been created.

[Antipode]

There is one for Ness:

He was replaced.


Deal with it.

I never used Ness to begin with, so it's not like I was still "holding out hope". I was just sayin' beacuse lots of other people here seem to like him and if there ARE 50 characters, it would certainly not make sense not to replace an old favorite character. Also, never ever say "deal with it", because it's quite possibly one of the most infuriating phrases ever uttered by man.

[Jaybell]

It just occured to me, is there any real difference between the US and the UK sites?

[Antipode]

I think every so often the phrasing is slightly different.

[eternal Zero]

They're not going to toss out a perfectly good character that has already been created.

How naive.

[Steben]

Oh Dammit! I could have swore Ness learned at least the Alpha stage of it. Nope. Not even. ;___;

...

Here's to hoping Poo is in this and rapes with Starstorm.

I think you're thinking of Teleport. Ness doesn't need StarStorm thanks to PK Poopin' (or whatever you called it). ;)

[Arek the Absolute]

I think you're thinking of Teleport. Ness doesn't need StarStorm thanks to PK Poopin' (or whatever you called it). ;)

PSI Rockin is better anyways because of the different levels you learn for the ability. Sure, Star Storm is pretty powerful, but it kind of lacks that BOOM that PSI Rockin had.

Plus, Ness never went through Mu training.

[Linkjing Donuts]

watch as everyone masters PK Freeze to edgeguard any recovery

[Steben]

PSI Rockin is better anyways because of the different levels you learn for the ability. Sure, Star Storm is pretty powerful, but it kind of lacks that BOOM that PSI Rockin had.

Plus, Ness never went through Mu training.

Yeah, that's right. If you ever forget why Ness doesn't know Starstorm, just think of this simple mnemonic.

Starstorm in yo face!
"Woah, where'd you get that?"
Mu Training!

[HalcyonSpirit]

All this Mother talk is making my head spin. I've never played any of them...

... I need to do so over Thanksgiving break. If only because I want to actually understand what everyone's talking about. :-P

[eternal Zero]

All this Mother talk is making my head spin. I've never played any of them...

... I need to do so over Thanksgiving break. If only because I want to actually understand what everyone's talking about. :-P

Just take a listen to the song (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01424/) that Steben quoted. That should be all you need to know. ^_^

[HalcyonSpirit]

Just take a listen to the song (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01424/) that Steben quoted. That should be all you need to know. ^_^

Oh, I've listened to it. I've listened to it a lot. But I don't think it's enough information. Probably because there's not enough context in it.

Yeah, Mother binge during the break, here I come.

[Paratha]

I mean, there have to be some of you that are more excited about some other game, perhaps more than Brawl?

There's pretty much no game that I've ever been this hyped for. I've become such a rabid Smash fanboy that it's disgusting. But then, I don't really play videogames anymore, and the RPGs and such that I used to play have far less replay value than a fighter.

[Kureejii Lea]

The tension rises. Yes.

[Strike911]

"EEEEEEEEEEK! It’s a lava wave!"


... he's just not trying anymore.

[Eulogic]

yawn

oh well

[DuskyFerret]

"Norfair is the location in Metroid where the enemy boss Ridley was."

Hold up, if that's the case then why doesn't he appear in the background like Kraid did?

Wait....then it must be....8-O

RIDLEY CONFIRMED

[Arek the Absolute]

dont even start that
just dont

[Bigfoot]

I think I said last Monday would be Norfair. I was a little bit off.

[Antipode]

I love picturing Sakurai throwing his hands up in the air and screaming "EEEEEEEEEEK! It’s a lava wave!"

[nookster]

Another cramped stage :S

[Critical Hit]

"Norfair is the location in Metroid where the enemy boss Ridley was."

Hold up, if that's the case then why doesn't he appear in the background like Kraid did?

Wait....then it must be....8-O

RIDLEY CONFIRMED

Silly, he was confirmed way back when we saw him in the clouds.:tomatoface:

[Brushfire]

Not having internet at my new house yet sucks. I've missed all kinds of useless updates that don't confirm the prescence of Slippy as the worlds most useless assist trophy.

Still, that Gray Fox one is pretty nice.

[Morrack]

'Woah! That looks hot.'

Aha! A new thing confirmed: it's Sakurai's favorite pick-up line!

[Alpine Flame]

I think I said last Monday would be Norfair. I was a little bit off.

And I said "famous last words". Well, those were MY famous last words.

EEEEEK! Lava wave!

Of justice. Pheonix wright assist trophy confirmed.

EBA trophy next.

[Jam Stunna]

So there's a huge tournament happening in my state this weekend, and I just found out I'm in pools with with Mew2King:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=117692

Pool 1

Crismas
HBK
Jarc
M2K :(
Mathos
Jam Stunna
Pat/Pro

The top four people advance from the first round. I just have to make sure that I'm one of those other three.

[HalcyonSpirit]

So there's a huge tournament happening in my state this weekend, and I just found out I'm in pools with with Mew2King:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=117692

The top four people advance from the first round. I just have to make sure that I'm one of those other three.

Damn... well, good luck!

[Bigfoot]

Sakurai should have thrown in a corny "That's no fair!" when Samus was the one who made it inside the safe area.

[Alpine Flame]

Sakurai should have thrown in a corny "That's no fair!" when Samus was the one who made it inside the safe area.

She was the only one who could open the blue pod door.

[megadave]

Another cramped stage :S

You shouldn't be complaining about stages. You can design a virtually infinite number of stages yourself.

[Neo Samus]

I like that you can go into that pod to save yourself. I can see the madness when that wave of lava comes rushing towards everyone.

[Sengin]

The top four people advance from the first round. I just have to make sure that I'm one of those other three.

You mean those other two. Mathos is in that pool, and unless you have crazy powershielding skill and lots of anti-falco skill, you ARE going to get lasered. A lot. He's known to be one of the best SHLers.

[BardicKnowledge]

Wow, that tourney is huge. Keep us updated, and get us vids if there are any.

[Red Shadow]

Yeah, Mother binge during the break, here I come.
haha, respect++

Wow, that tourney is huge. Keep us updated, and get us vids if there are any.
yeah, send me some new ones

[friendlyHunter]

Alright, who's the joker that told the Smash Bros. dev team that Metroid games are about acid and lava going up and down and falling all over the place? Let's recount where moving lava/acid appears in the Metroid series:

Metroid I
- Nothin'
Metroid II
- The main area has stationary acid at the bottom that blocks your progress. The acid level goes down when you kill metroids, making new areas accessible. However, you never actually see the acid go down.
Super Metroid
- Maybe 2 separate occasions in Norfair where the room shakes, and you must escape before the acid/lava rises to the top. This must be where the two "Brinstar" levels came from - ironic, as Norfair is in no way part of Brinstar.
- About 3 rooms scattered around the planet where acid/lava gently and predictably goes up and down every 10 or 20 seconds. I'm pretty sure none of these are in Brinstar.
Metroid Fusion
- I can't remember any, but there could have been some... granted, it doesn't take place on a planet.
Metroid Prime
- Magmoor Caverns has a few places in the background where lava pours down out of tubes or something. This looks like the inspiration for the whole "lava wave" deal in Brawl.
Metroid Prime 2
- Nothin'
Metroid Prime 3
- "Fuel gell" tamely pours down from the ceiling in a few areas.

After the atrocities that were the Metroid stages in the first two Smash Bros, Norfair is a huge improvement in the accuracy department. Hell, they actually used appropriate colours this time, and gave it the correct name. The closer background makes it look a bit more claustrophobic too, though it still looks way more open than some of the other Brawl stages. The colour of the lava looks very non-Metroid-y, but all that contrast is needed to warn you of impending "EEEEEEEEEEK!" From the screenshots it does look really "non-liquid" though, whereas Metroid lava has a distinctly watery/liquid look... bah, I'm just being too picky now.

It even has hatches that close in emergencies. Ahh.
Aww, I can't stay mad at you! ^_^

But I have a question for anyone who played this stage in the demo: is the whole "lava wave" mechanic actually fun? And what happens if two people get locked in the tiny room - do they still get to attack each other? Can Sonic use his B-up to jump over the lava wave completely? Does the lava kill you instantly, or is it more like the glowing chicken soup in the SSB and SSBM? Do you get a decent warning for the lava that pours down from the ceiling? What I'm getting at is: is the lava a pain in the ass hazard that's hard to dodge (even when you're not fighting), or does it add a fun dimension to the fight?


Also: If there isn't a "Red Brinstar" stage in Brawl (particularily, that one really really tall corridor), I'll have to build it myself. The stage editor had better have destructible walls though...

And if that song isn't in the game, I'll turn into the Hulk.

[Neonlare]

Metroid 1 soooooo had lava.

Although it was preaty stationary.

[TheCatPhysician]

So there's a huge tournament happening in my state this weekend, and I just found out I'm in pools with with Mew2King:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=117692



The top four people advance from the first round. I just have to make sure that I'm one of those other three.
NICE!

wow, azen's going? man that's going to be awesome

tell pkmvodka i said hi if you see him! he inspired me to pick up dk. it's too bad chesterr's not going with the rest of their crew though.

AWW SHIT BUM'S GOING, HIM AND PKM BETTER HAVE AN EPIC DK MATCH


have fun, man i wish so bad i could go to that

also at tournaments that big, pretty much every pool has one really good person in it. so you're pretty much going to get your ass kicked by whoever that really good person is, so i say you're lucky to have a tournament match with m2k; he's probably the best player in the world right now, and is really really innovative and unique. just the way he moves with marth is like nobody else. i wish i could get to play him some more

anyway HAVE FUN

[Eulogic]

wow, azen's going? man that's going to be awesome

I went to a pretty big tourney that Azen (among others) was at three or so years ago. I placed 13th out of over 50 and considered it a good finish. I considered myself to be the best player at George Washington University at the time, and I was happy to play and lose to people against whom I actually brought my A game. That was one of the last tourneys I went to, unfortunately. I haven't played Melee seriously since I before graduated a year and a half ago.

[The Derrit]

Arr I envy you all so much... I've been playing competitively for two years and have had only two tournaments under my belt. I'm in college in middle-of-nowhere Pennsylvania and there's one other smasher that I know of in my school. Its sooo aggravating.
...Buuut, yeah, good luck in your tourney! I wish I could be there.

[Kiyosuki]

I didn't think the big giant Lava wave was as hard to dodge as he makes it sound, I never tried to go for the safe spot. I tended to use characters with excellent jumping like Samus though..

[Jam Stunna]

Allright, today's the big day! I doubt that there's internet at the venue, so expect a full report on Sunday!

MY PREDICTION:
Greatest upset of all-time: Jam Stunna defeats M2K 2-1 on Rainbow Cruise lolol

[Broken]

Good luck Jam. I'm jealous man. Go grab some foo's

[BardicKnowledge]

NES Metroid Brinstar looks pretty well like the N64 stage, actually -- and the "chicken soup" should be yellow to match the Brinstar yellow acid.

[Jam Stunna]

So, at the biggest tournament of my life, I played the worst that I ever have.

Crews
Our crew only had one person left, and the opposing crew had two people. Our crew member Turnip then proceeded to perform the greatest comeback ever seen, taking eight stocks while only losing two, winning the battle for us. He definitely saved our asses.

After that, we had to play Ha Ha You Lose (H2YL), which consists of Doll, Chillendude, Azen and Chu Dat. Man, it was ugly. Doll, by himself, took our FOUR of us. I only got one stock off of him. Turnip finished him finally, but Azen finished us off. Crews was fun, it was just a little disappointing to be owned so thoroughly.

Teams
Teams actually went pretty well. My partner and I finished 3-2. We lost to Cort and PC Chris in one match, and then we lost to Brookman and Kiwi in the loser's bracket. We managed to beat Omgegawhitemage and KevinM, so that was cool. And once again, Rainbow Cruise proved itself to be an utterly gay teams stage.

Pools
...Do I have to talk about this? I'll let the record speak for itself. Pools were 3-stock, best two out of three:

vs. Jarc (Jiggs): 1-2 (he slept me off the side of the stage, and I went flying off the top and he fell first, that's the only reason I won}
vs. Pat/Pro (Fox): 0-2
vs. Mathos (Falco): 0-2
vs. M2k (Marth): 0-2 (I actually managed to get two stocks off of him once. Yay!)
vs. HBK (Marth): 0-2 (He owned me harder than M2K did. Strange.)
vs. Malcolm (Zelda): 0-2 (Zelda! FUCKING ZELDA! What's wrong with me?)

Needless to say, I played like complete and utter crap. Maybe I wouldn't have made it out of my pool anyway, but I expected better from myself. No johns though, I suck.

Random
-Got to play Chu Dat in a money match. He 4-stocked me with his Gdorf, but I actually got his Pikachu down to one stock (he SD'd once). He's a really cool guy.
-I played some cool friendlies with people from all over the East Coast, so that we alot of fun.

Final Thoughts
Despite wasting almost $60, and playing worse than a noob, I really had a good time. I wasn't so disappointed that I didn't make it out of my pool, since I got to go home to see my wife and son. However, I just wish I'd played a little better. Oh well, there's always VLS 2, I'm sure.

[Eulogic]

Too bad, but at least you got to play against some great players, which can often be more fulfilling than playing against lesser ones and winning.

[Broken]

What Eulogic said.

That looks like an epic tourney though. You got to play some of my favorite players and some of the most well known in the competitive smash community.

My condolencese on having to play against the asian onslaught that is h2yl. Chillindude by himself is bad enough. He's always showing everyone in Blacksburg what's up when he's over at Tech.

Man, I really want to go to a big tourney now! argh, I gotta get off of my ass and just go.

[Arek the Absolute]

So, at the biggest tournament of my life, I played the worst that I ever have.

Crews
Our crew only had one person left, and the opposing crew had two people. Our crew member Turnip then proceeded to perform the greatest comeback ever seen, taking eight stocks while only losing two, winning the battle for us. He definitely saved our asses.

After that, we had to play Ha Ha You Lose (H2YL), which consists of Doll, Chillendude, Azen and Chu Dat. Man, it was ugly. Doll, by himself, took our FOUR of us. I only got one stock off of him. Turnip finished him finally, but Azen finished us off. Crews was fun, it was just a little disappointing to be owned so thoroughly.

Teams
Teams actually went pretty well. My partner and I finished 3-2. We lost to Cort and PC Chris in one match, and then we lost to Brookman and Kiwi in the loser's bracket. We managed to beat Omgegawhitemage and KevinM, so that was cool. And once again, Rainbow Cruise proved itself to be an utterly gay teams stage.

Pools
...Do I have to talk about this? I'll let the record speak for itself. Pools were 3-stock, best two out of three:

vs. Jarc (Jiggs): 1-2 (he slept me off the side of the stage, and I went flying off the top and he fell first, that's the only reason I won}
vs. Pat/Pro (Fox): 0-2
vs. Mathos (Falco): 0-2
vs. M2k (Marth): 0-2 (I actually managed to get two stocks off of him once. Yay!)
vs. HBK (Marth): 0-2 (He owned me harder than M2K did. Strange.)
vs. Malcolm (Zelda): 0-2 (Zelda! FUCKING ZELDA! What's wrong with me?)

Needless to say, I played like complete and utter crap. Maybe I wouldn't have made it out of my pool anyway, but I expected better from myself. No johns though, I suck.

Random
-Got to play Chu Dat in a money match. He 4-stocked me with his Gdorf, but I actually got his Pikachu down to one stock (he SD'd once). He's a really cool guy.
-I played some cool friendlies with people from all over the East Coast, so that we alot of fun.

Final Thoughts
Despite wasting almost $60, and playing worse than a noob, I really had a good time. I wasn't so disappointed that I didn't make it out of my pool, since I got to go home to see my wife and son. However, I just wish I'd played a little better. Oh well, there's always VLS 2, I'm sure.

Screw the money. It is the experience that matters.
You played with awesome smashers, and even if you weren't on your "A" game, I know that you had to have had a blast there.
It is all about fun after all, right?

[Jam Stunna]

Yeah, it was pretty damn awesome. Chu is cool as hell, and M2K is a giant asshole. Results as far as I know:

Singles:
1.Azen
2.chu Dat
3.Korean DJ
4. Mew2king
5.Pc Chris
5.Drephen

Teams:
1. azen/chillin
2. m2k/vidjo
3. kdj/chu
4. pc/cort

Crews:
1. pc/cort/kdj/hayato
2. drephen/jiano/sliq/vidjo/dope
3. h2yl and team ben (tied)

[Bigfoot]

Was M2K not a good sport about losing or something?

[linkspast]

It is all about fun after all, right?

So were going there again....

what is a comp like? I never been to one, Is the atmosphere a lot different than just playing with people you know?

[Arek the Absolute]

nothing we already haven't seen

So were going there again....

what is a comp like? I never been to one, Is the atmosphere a lot different than just playing with people you know?

Wow, way to rape my words. I was not doing the whole game for fun not for tourny arguement there dude. I was saying tournaments are a blast.

Reading comprehension + 1

HOWEVER, if for some reason by quoting that portion of my post you were just curious to if tournaments are fun and NOT meaning what I said above, then it is really hard to explain in words. Tournaments are an experience you either love or hate. No real gray line. If you really enjoy having fun while also competing in a "serious" environment, then tournaments are for you. As long as you enjoy competitions without taking them TOO seriously, then you will be fine. Also, there will be a lot of shit talking *note: depends on who is there*, so you got to be able to not take words too close to heart.

[eternal Zero]

Agreed. Quite a boring final smash. Then again, Aether is pretty badass.

[Mastertoku]

All this fuss about Aether is rekindling my hopes for the Black Knight...

...but, if there's going to be any more new Fire Emblem characters at all, it'll probably be Sothe...

[Strike911]

When I saw this Final Smash in the videos a few weeks ago I was blown away. It was ridiculously bad ass. Tons of swipes and total rapage.

Sakurai makes this Final Smash seem way less epic than it is...

[Eulogic]

another yawn update

hopefully we'll get a character or something soon

[Neo Samus]

Wow, the update came early? Or does it alwyas show up around this time now?

Still images do nothing for the awesomeness that is Ike's FS Great Aether.

[Majin GeoDooD]

Wow, the update came early? Or does it alwyas show up around this time now?

Still images do nothing for the awesomeness that is Ike's FS Great Aether.

We had DST, Japan has no DST, so they now update at 2 EST.

[Neo Samus]

We had DST, Japan has no DST, so they now update at 2 EST.

Oh that's right. For some reason I was thinking 3 am CDT and then 2 am CST for me. oops. OK I think it's time for me to go to bed.

[linkspast]

nothing we already haven't seen



Wow, way to rape my words. I was not doing the whole game for fun not for tourny arguement there dude. I was saying tournaments are a blast.

Reading comprehension + 1

HOWEVER, if for some reason by quoting that portion of my post you were just curious to if tournaments are fun and NOT meaning what I said above, then it is really hard to explain in words. Tournaments are an experience you either love or hate. No real gray line. If you really enjoy having fun while also competing in a "serious" environment, then tournaments are for you. As long as you enjoy competitions without taking them TOO seriously, then you will be fine. Also, there will be a lot of shit talking *note: depends on who is there*, so you got to be able to not take words too close to heart.



Yeah that was sarcasm, I would like to go, but there are never any close enough to me... and its been a while since I played a human...


So I think the day this comes out we should start a tourney... using the wifi...

[Bigfoot]

It'd be cool if Nintendo made little mini videos for these final smashes. We've all already seen Ike's, it's badass, but still it'd be a cool feature.

[Antipode]

Whoa! That looks hot! It’s dangerous to touch it. "Let me in!" "I’m not letting YOU in!" Oh! Is he grabbing the edge with his rope snake?! PA-SHEEN! That feels gooood... It’s exciting and exhilarating!

[Mastertoku]

Whoa! That looks hot! It’s dangerous to touch it. "Let me in!" "I’m not letting YOU in!" Oh! Is he grabbing the edge with his rope snake?! PA-SHEEN! That feels gooood... It’s exciting and exhilarating!

I see what you did there.

[BardicKnowledge]

Is anyone else getting the feeling that they had planned out what things they were willing to release before launch against the original release date, and are screwed now that it's been delayed until February?

[Mastertoku]

Is anyone else getting the feeling that they had planned out what things they were willing to release before launch against the original release date, and are screwed now that it's been delayed until February?
Time will tell.

Come January, if we start seeing updates like "Unlockable Characters!" or the finest intricacies on "How to Smash", we can all feel sorry for the fine people at Sora hunting down things to reveal.

[Jam Stunna]

Was M2K not a good sport about losing or something?

He just has this total "I'm better than you so don't look at me" air about him. Pretty much every other person there that I talked to/played has a better personality than him.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

He just has this total "I'm better than you so don't look at me" air about him. Pretty much every other person there that I talked to/played has a better personality than him.
That sucks, why does he even bother to play this game then, or any game for that matter? If the main goal is to have fun. How can someone like that have fun?...

[Azul v2]

That sucks, why does he even bother to play this game then, or any game for that matter? If the main goal is to have fun. How can someone like that have fun?...

Sadly there are douches in the world who have been heavily spoiled during childhood. They could all use some manual labor.

[Neo Samus]

Sadly there are douches in the world who have been heavily spoiled during childhood. They could all use some manual labor.

I really dislike those kind of people. They have the personality of a grapefruit. Too bad you didn't kick his ass Jam. I would have loved to see the expression on his face.

[JackKieser]

Ugh... I feel for you, Jam. We play a LOT of Smash at school between classes (we rent the game and a couple of Cubes from the library almost every day), and we have assholes like that ruining the fun at all times. This one guy plays an arguably mean Samus... but he treats everyone else like shit, making sure to verbally point out that he's better than us.

It's actually quite impressive, though. We have a guy who mains Fox; brings his own Wavebird to school and everything. We hate playing him because he destroys us all, but sometimes he actually seems apologetic that he can whip us so handily. Even if is Fox is cheap, he's fun to play against. Smash needs more guys like that in general, so I can only postulate about the tournament community (I've never been to a tourney, although I would love to try sometime).

--Jack Kieser

[eternal Zero]

I've done the whole being apologetic cause you're too good for your playgroup bit, but really it shouldn't matter. I main as Samus and can play another two or three characters to a close level, so I just play as other characters until I feel like winning (I'm a bit of a jackass) then I pick one of my better characters. You just have to be smart about playing so that your playgroup won't hate you. Not to mention, if you do have someone like that who doesn't give an honest effort to make up for it, kick him the hell out. Don't waste your time not having fun with a game like Smash.