Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[MasterSenshi]

I hope they kept the previous version. I prefer that to the new mix, although the new one is OK. Maybe on the Wii it'll sound good... I think Sakurai added a bit too much 'crazy' to the cauldron for the in-game music.

But crazy tastes good, as we all know! :nicework:

[Jam Stunna]

Does anyone else hope that they use the Wind Waker version of Ganondorf instead of the Twilight Princess one? I found TP Ganon to be so blah.

[atmuh]

Does anyone else hope that they use the Wind Waker version of Ganondorf instead of the Twilight Princess one? I found TP Ganon to be so blah.

a link to the past version

[MasterSenshi]

ditto, but also OoT was a great version. That Ganon seemed truly evil... the last few ones have been too wimpy.

A Link to the Past and the first two have songs, so maybe something from Phantom Hourglass? The game looks pretty interesting.. I might pick it up next year.

[Azul v2]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/da/200px-Ganon_ww.jpg

vs.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ca/thumb/0/05/Darklordganondorf.jpg/210px-Darklordganondorf.jpg

Twilight's Gannon more wimpy? Wind Waker's version looks like he's had too many donuts before reporting to his waiter job.

[Dhsu]

Dude, Wind Waker Ganondorf will freakin' cut off your thumbs. And then slice off your head with his samurai swords.

Twice.

[MasterSenshi]

HAHA

I fought both the dudes. OoT would kick both their butts at the same time.

TP and WW were both too easy... so looking at it that way (rather than how cool they look; TP takes the cake there) OoT Ganon would win. He was harder, a lot harder actually, and didn't die so easily. TP had a few transformations, but none was really harder... the last fight was interesting, but it was more like "Wow, if the game had fights like this the whole way through, the game would be a 10!" way, not "THAT WAS THE BEST BOSS FIGHT EVER" way.

Of course my fave, LttP Ganon was tougher than all the others.. except for maybe Zelda II and IV... I never beat/played those...

I want PH now...

[Xbob42]

Wind Waker's Ganon got owned in the best way though. Knife to the face! Plus Zelda helping in the last fight = awesome.

Uh, spoiler warning?

[Strike911]

I want PH now...

VERY TINY, HINTING AT SPOILER FOR Phantom Hourglass...



... Gotta be honest, Phantom Hourglass's main bad guy was not very cool. The game was phenomenal, but the main bad guy that was causing all the trouble was not interesting at all. The boss fight was fun and interesting but... yeah.



END OF SPOILERS...




.. but yeah, Phantom Hourglass had a great cast of supporting characters. Linebeck is quite possibly my favorite support character... either him or Midna... but Linebeck has such an interesting and funny personality I almost would pick him over Midna...

Yes, in fact, I would. I liked Linebeck better. :)

anyway, back on topic... I liked all the looks of Ganondorf... the only thing I didn't like about TP Ganondorf was

SPOILER!!!!111


His transformed form from Twilight Princess.... he's clearly better as a pig from OOT. That was an awesome transformation, and I hope with his Final Smash they pick that version as opposed to the TP version. I'm kind of feeling like they may go the TP route though, because they're using A LOT of TP assets and looks...

advertising tool? I think so. I do really like the Ganondorf from TP. I think he looks really bad ass and cool, but there's no denying that Ganondorf from WW had awesome katanas... so if they spliced the two I'd be happy... *shrugs* maybe a down+B move switched his blades ? And of course, Final Smash would turn into classic Ganon from OOT.....

... haha, or FS would be Ganon from the American animated Zelda cartoon. hahahahaha. /sarcasm

"I WILL SEND YOU TO MY EVIL JAR!" - Ganon

[Drack]

[ c o l o r = w h i t e ] spoiler goes here [ / c o l o r ].

It's not that hard, folks.

[BardicKnowledge]

I agree with everyone that wants the pig-based Ganon for a FS a la LttP, Oracle, and OoT -- it's way better than WW and TP. Let's go with the LttP Ganon so we get a trident though...tridents = win.

I'd sacrifice all of that if we could give Link a Deku Mask move from MM to increase his speed and trade out some of his normals every once in a while though -- IMO Link is too slow, especially if they try and bring things back to their N64 roots.

[Scufo]

One of my favorite things about WW was that they actually gave Ganondorf a personality. In TP he kinda reverted to EVIL EVIL KILL THINGS TAKE OVER WORLD EVIL GRRRR.

So yeah I like WW Ganon better. All they have to do is give Ganondorf a non-clone moveset in Brawl and I'll be happy though.

[Paratha]

Regardless of which Ganondorf was actually more tough to fight, or was more intimidating, etc, the TP Ganondorf is the better-looking one, and the one I'd rather see in Brawl.

Though I think it would be a nice acknowledgment to previous Zelda games if his FS was either pig-Ganon from LttP or OoT: "You are doing well, lad. But can you break through this secret technique of Darkness? En Garde!"

Oh, the nostalgia LttP brings. :D

[MasterSenshi]

OK, I'll apologize for starting the spoiler-fest. Next time I'll put it in white. Anyway, yes TP looks the best. If we can get TP Ganon, with his LttP or OoT transformation, it would be AMAZING.

Of course some purists would cry foul, but it still would great.

If Ganon gets a bit more speed, and keeps the fast throws with a few other moves, he could shoot up to first tier. We have 3 heavys now, five if you count Ike and Wario (I have no idea why Sakurai called Ike heavy...) so with 6, the game would finally have some weight-class balance.

[Hector]

Why are we limited to just one Gannon? We've got two links (or is it three now); three plumbers; and possibly two Bowsers. Pig-faced Gannon is simply classic--but there is something to be said for the Gannon that pulls out a couple of blades and gets right to work.

[friendlyHunter]

Why are we limited to just one Gannon?
They're talking about which Gannon should be in Brawl. Really, there can be only one, Gannondorf, and one Gannon/pig guy.

[Jam Stunna]

One of my favorite things about WW was that they actually gave Ganondorf a personality. In TP he kinda reverted to EVIL EVIL KILL THINGS TAKE OVER WORLD EVIL GRRRR.

So yeah I like WW Ganon better. All they have to do is give Ganondorf a non-clone moveset in Brawl and I'll be happy though.

This was my reasoning as well. Plus there are no dual-wielding characters in Smash (ICs don't count), so that would be nice as well.

[The Author]

Linebeck as an assist trophy !

And well... maybe Linebeck as a joke character with an awesome kickass FS...

Or you know, whatever.

[Binjovi]

Plus there are no dual-wielding characters in Smash (ICs don't count), so that would be nice as well.

Ice Climbers may not count, but Pit surely does, right? Or were you talking about just the characters in Melee?

[Arek the Absolute]

Another reason why Lloyd Irving needs to be put in this game
:3

[Broken]

Another reason why Lloyd Irving needs to be put in this game
:3

CLESS for BRAWL! lololol. Loyd would be good, too, I suppose. The Tales series has so many heroes and obscure characters, its like a treasure trove for fan-service.

[Dhsu]

Namco is wayyy ahead of you. (http://namco-ch.net/talesoffandom2/index.php)

[I-n-j-i-n]

I thought they went as low in updates before, but this is a new low. OLD STAGESSSSS. I wish they just throw in a few SSB stages to be really nostalgic.

BTW, if they're going to put in some Namco characters, may as well put in Jin (Tekken) while they're at it. Some more realistic characters to mix it up with Snake. And Jin is pretty accustomed to being in crossover games by now.

[Audity]

GREAT PALACE THEME

yeah
hopefully more variations of great palace's theme happens after the every-other-palace music

[Jam Stunna]

Ice Climbers may not count, but Pit surely does, right? Or were you talking about just the characters in Melee?

You're right, my mistake.

[MasterSenshi]

I thought they went as low in updates before, but this is a new low. OLD STAGESSSSS. I wish they just throw in a few SSB stages to be really nostalgic.

BTW, if they're going to put in some Namco characters, may as well put in Jin (Tekken) while they're at it. Some more realistic characters to mix it up with Snake. And Jin is pretty accustomed to being in crossover games by now.

I was hoping to see som SSB stages when I saw that 'update', but alas not. Maybe they're tucking that away for another 'update' or leaving it as a snippet to fill space on another day.

We would be past speculating at this point (except to how great/badly it would play) if they were releasing it on time. Oh well.. I have too many titles to play this break as it is, without adding another in. :-P

[the_muteKi]

I thought they went as low in updates before, but this is a new low. OLD STAGESSSSS. I wish they just throw in a few SSB stages to be really nostalgic.

BTW, if they're going to put in some Namco characters, may as well put in Jin (Tekken) while they're at it. Some more realistic characters to mix it up with Snake. And Jin is pretty accustomed to being in crossover games by now.

Over SPARKSTER?? Are you kidding me? Sparkster is practically made for this game!

[Broken]

Namco is wayyy ahead of you. (http://namco-ch.net/talesoffandom2/index.php)

Crap, that's awesome! Good find, Dshu.

[Global-Trance]

So I went to a tournament a couple weeks ago and I guess some videos surfaced. Here are some team videos. I was on the team called "Buy Super Mario Galaxy". I'm the Falco totally sucking it up that day. My style of play isn't suited for teams apparently.

Buy Super Mario Galaxy vs Drephen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3PBT-w2Jao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYw24uIrhqU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NH03rTemZo

Buy Super Mario Galaxy vs ZBFC (Bob (not Rob) Money wtf)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuEq7mtVf64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCFSvBCzebU (I COMPLETELY BLEW IT)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToMWSlVBnjU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYUJ8kY6tsU

My team placed 2nd on teams despite my partner and I having a very off day in terms of performance.

[Broken]

^ Great idea for a tourney name, there. Smashturbaiton accurately depicts the serious and competitive nature of tourneys.

[MasterSenshi]

Anyone else guessing there's a new character update this morning?

Let's hope for Captain Falcon, or, against all odds NESS!!!!!

[Mastertoku]

Against all odds, I'm hoping for Geno.

...but then again, what else has been shown in the gameplay videos that Sakurai hasn't announced? We've still got the Advance Wars AT coming up sometime, as well as the musics for the other stages. There's a number of assist trophies, actually, he hasn't shown us - perhaps Tails? And no doubt he's sitting on a pile of SubEm videos he has yet to display...

But of course, it HAS been a while since the last character update...

[Neo Samus]

As much would love to see a character update, I'm not holding my breath. Please prove me wrong Sakuari!!

[Mastertoku]

As much would love to see a character update, I'm not holding my breath. Please prove me wrong Sakuari!!
It's December 3rd! The original launch date? Sakurai is OBLIGATED to post something jaw-dropping - to distract us, you know?

[Bigfoot]

It's just going to be another day, another update.

[Scufo]

Happy Dec. 3, everyone.

[Linkjing Donuts]

Happy Dec. 3, everyone.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccckkkkk

[Red Shadow]

here comes atma with the dis

[atmuh]

I LOVE TODAY'S UPDATE

[Bigfoot]

Well, the update is about Wi-fi which is why the game was delayed in the first place. Other than that, I told ya it would just be another update :P

[MasterSenshi]

Well it the same lame friends system, but at least it looks intuitive. Just add each other at the same time over the phone or something and you can brawl then and there.

I guess we have months of lame updates left... I think I can go to bed eariler once finals are up.

[Bigfoot]

I'm so gonna pass notes in class to exchange friend codes btw.

[atmuh]

at least it looks intuitive

high five for extreme intelligence!




also rofl at that persons quote that is real men use items

[Jam Stunna]

Real Men Use Items

[Antipode]

Real Men Use Items. .

[DuskyFerret]

Yeah that Wi-Fi option sounds really great! But more importantly...


Grit for Brawl, confirmed?????

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9560/sig39wm.jpg

[atmuh]

faggots that suck use items

[Gerbah]

Is it just me or are some of the captions/pictures a bit sarcastic? I mean...

"Real men use items!" "Nice try. ROFL" "Yep. Simple. Simple is best."

...Well, that "real men use items!" one definitely seems like almost a jab at the competitive playing folk? Or am I reading too much into it?

EDIT: Or I could be beaten to that...

[atmuh]

hes picking a fight with me personally








id hate this online system a little bit less if there was an invite user to game option
HOW HARD IS THAT

[Linkjing Donuts]

Real Men Use Items
and the guy chooses peach

[atmuh]

ok i may be reading into this but i have just noticed something and if its true im REALLY REALLY pissed off and the rest of you should be
NOTICE that as soon as he accepts the other guy to play it seems to go right to a match

it leads me to believe that it might not give you full customization options of online matches
or any customization at all
which
would
be
BALLS

ok forget about that in the old update they said you can do more than freeforalls

[Neo Samus]

If I'm not mistaken, that's Nate Bihldorff the localization Manager for NOA. Also Miyamoto personal translator/bitch during presentations.

Sakuari, you had a chance to do an awesome update. Instead you fuck it up. Kinda ironic considering its Dec. 3.

[Bigfoot]

ok i may be reading into this but i have just noticed something and if its true im REALLY REALLY pissed off and the rest of you should be
NOTICE that as soon as he accepts the other guy to play it seems to go right to a match

it leads me to believe that it might not give you full customization options of online matches
or any customization at all
which
would
be
BALLS

ok forget about that in the old update they said you can do more than freeforalls

I'm going to go ahead and assume that the person who creates a room handles all of those options.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

ok i may be reading into this but i have just noticed something and if its true im REALLY REALLY pissed off and the rest of you should be
NOTICE that as soon as he accepts the other guy to play it seems to go right to a match

it leads me to believe that it might not give you full customization options of online matches
or any customization at all
which
would
be
BALLS

ok forget about that in the old update they said you can do more than freeforalls
I believe, Atma, that that is because Mario is joining Peach's brawl, so he cannot customize anything.
If I'm correct Peach should have made all the customizations ahead of time and then wait for players to join.
(Hopefully I'm correct)

EDIT: Boo... Bigfoot beat me to it :(

[atmuh]

will you guys be my fwends when it comes out :]

[Bigfoot]

will you guys be my fwends when it comes out :]

Sure, I'll add you when I get it today.

[atmuh]

ill give you all my fwend code when i get it on january 24th ;]




and youll all then have the opportunity to beat the crap out of the faggot that makes fun of your beloved game!
unless jiggs is back then youre all screwed

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Sure, I'll add you when I get it today.

Lol, I wish we could get it today...
/cry
And yeah... I'd love to play against you Atma :D

[TheCatPhysician]

well idk i'd add you as a friend but i mean i dont know you in person so i don't want to risk losing personal information to a stranger and all that bad stuff, you know?

MAN IT'S GOOD TO KNOW IM SAFE

[Bigfoot]

Lets all put our phone numbers for our profile comment.

[atmuh]

lets all put bigfoots phone number in our profile comment

[Mr Jarna]

This restored my faith in the online capabilities of Nintendo. Somewhat.

[atmuh]

This restored my faith in the online capabilities of Nintendo. Somewhat.

HOW .

[Dhsu]

Can someone translate the quotes on the Japanese page?

[Arek the Absolute]

Well..
This was....interesting.

[!Nekko!]

Atma has a point. This is pretty much the same shit Nintendo has been pulling on us for a while now.

[Binjovi]

Yeah, I have to agree with Atma on this. The only "improvement" I see is the ability to see what your friends are doing online. For anyone who's played on X-Box Live, Nintendo's service is VERY lackluster. I understand wanting to keep things simple and safe, but in the end, it just holds them back, and ends up frustrating people who want more control/options.

Also, Arek... that's a pretty neat sig. Where'd you get it? :razz:

[Strike911]

cool. Better than I was expecting out of old Nintendo; passable.

lol @ Atma because it's true.
haha.

[Xbob42]

Beats them saying "F you." and making it an offline only game like Melee. Remember that the Gamecube was also more than capable of online play. A step forward beats a step back, regardless of the stride.

And who knows, maybe hax0rz will pull a "Warp Pipe" like for Double Dash and make it crazy full online.

Or something.

[Drack]

If not for the delay I would be playing Brawl RIGHT NOW.

Graaaaaaaah

[Arek the Absolute]

.....
damn delay

[I-n-j-i-n]

I felt sick when I saw the friendcode input. I guess we're back to mid 90's version of online play. Then again, this is de ja vu. From the DS.

[The Author]

I liked the comment, I think they are trying to say something to item whiners:

Real men use items.

[I-n-j-i-n]

It must be a Japanese thing: Snappy messages for fighter characters. Virtua Fighter popularized it and now more games seems to do it. Either that, or they don't grasp the concept of not needing it at all with internet play nowadays. It reminds me of Phantasy Star Online greeting cards.

[The Mutericator]

Sakurai has hereby won the vote for Best Troll 2007.

REAL MEN USE ITEMS!

[Scufo]

I wonder if you can play a game with both friends and random people in it. The distinction between the two leads me to believe you can't. Also if there's really no invite option HEADS WILL ROLL.

So yeah friend codes, communication, shit sucks, etc etc.

[Adam_Slight]

Another lame update - "Nice Try, ROFL"

[atmuh]

Beats them saying "F you." and making it an offline only game like Melee. Remember that the Gamecube was also more than capable of online play. A step forward beats a step back, regardless of the stride.

And who knows, maybe hax0rz will pull a "Warp Pipe" like for Double Dash and make it crazy full online.

Or something.

theres no lan play so no

and HOLY CRAP STOP SAYING BE THANKFUL ITS ONLINE
we are in an age that on ANYTHING but nintendo consoles a game that has ANY multiplayer is pretty much guaranteed to be online

I wonder if you can play a game with both friends and random people in it. The distinction between the two leads me to believe you can't. Also if there's really no invite option HEADS WILL ROLL.

So yeah friend codes, communication, shit sucks, etc etc.

not a chance youll be able to do friends and random, so dont even think about anything like team doubles
and HA dont even bother thinking theres an invite system

[Arek the Absolute]

hey atma

be thankful its online




Also, Arek... that's a pretty neat sig. Where'd you get it? :razz:

teehee

[Morrack]

Pffffff, too many Game Mode updates lately....boring....
Stuff like "woah, I can change my configuration" which can actually be done in, say...... every game? Woot. Go Sakurai, make us enthusiastic for the game.

I know that the game has been delayed, but still I wonder why Sakurai didn't see that coming and preserved so many boring updates for later. The characters have been revealed much too fast I'm afraid. Now we have to wait for two more months and the chances that we'll see another character before then are minimal. You're supposed to build up enthusiasm over time, not to break it down.
Oh well, let's hope that tomorrow brings us an interesting support trophy or a new Pokemon or something like that. Or DK's special moves (finally).
Go DK! :<

[Drack]

My roommate showed me a pic today of a Brawl box and a receipt in a French store. He pulled an all-nighter and doesn't remember where it's from. I can't find word of it in any of the likely places (news or rips, checked sites for both). It's just some tool's photoshop imo, but it seems it's fooled my roommate. It's not hard for a store to hack some store item to printout Brawl on the receipt, or shop some boxart. No disc art was in the pic.

Regardless, I'll be keeping an eye out for early releases even at this stage, but honestly I don't think the game will ship till ~2 weeks before the delayed release.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Gamestop stores around here have brawl boxes on the shelves.

[Bigfoot]

I was asked what I was thankful for on Thanksgiving. I said I am thankful that Brawl has online.

[anthonium]

Well I just got the game so anybody wanna play online right now with me? My friend code is 5498-2342-9823-2123-8471-9312-6840-1243-5687-9867-3012-4809-2764-3891-6853-1234-5678-9101-1112-9876-5432-10713-123i1poujtiowhhndfjkhoihsasdioujpoijek21nl32l1n

[Mr Jarna]

HOW .

Well, since I wasn't really expecting anything better than the norm from Nintendo, the revelation that yes, you CAN have friends in Brawl kinda made me feel relieved.

It's still not up to par, but at least I can still have faith that Nintendo will continue to stride the line between OK and deficient.

Well I just got the game so anybody wanna play online right now with me? My friend code is 5498-2342-9823-2123-8471-9312-6840-1243-5687-9867-3012-4809-2764-3891-6853-1234-5678-9101-1112-9876-5432-10713-123i1poujtiowhhndfjkhoihsasdioujpoijek21nl32l1n

Dude, that code doesn't work for me. Every time I try to input it, I have to fight Sephiroth with Link. AND IT WON'T EVEN LET ME UNLOCK HIM.

[Xbob42]

theres no lan play so no

and HOLY CRAP STOP SAYING BE THANKFUL ITS ONLINE
we are in an age that on ANYTHING but nintendo consoles a game that has ANY multiplayer is pretty much guaranteed to be online

There's no LAN play... but there's *Gasp!* online play! Hmmm, might be a smidge easier to work with rather than harder, don't you think? I do. And the frog in my pocket does too.

And yes, you should be thankful its online. It doesn't matter if Billy Bob and his Blonde Brunettes is online on the Wonderbacon Silver, we still had a fair chance of it not being online, and then you'd really be crapping a storm.

Stop setting yourself up for disappointment, you're going to have a stroke.

[Aninymouse]

Well, now that it's December...

There's a thread in Smash Boards that goes something like, "every other month, Sakurai has released 3 newcomers at a time." It's such that we weren't supposed to get any newcomers in November so we'd get three this month... except we didn't even get ANY characters in November at all! The fact that they're still withholding the "unlockable veterans" from us makes me believe that any kind of pattern stopped once the delay was announced. I think IF we even get ONE character in December at all, it's going to be somebody like Cpt. Falcon or Luigi or Jigglypuff, etc. IF WE'RE LUCKY.

Personally, I think Sakurai had a predetermined time table for revealing characters that he's put on hold for the extra two months that got thrown in the mix. I don't think we'll see another true newcomer until around Christmastime.

The thing I don't like about friend codes, actually, is that some people don't like to bother to add random forum people (like me :< ). Maybe they're afraid of teh h4xX0rz?

[Xbob42]

Didn't we get that kid from Sin & Punishment in November?

[Aninymouse]

Didn't we get that kid from Sin & Punishment in November?

I'm only talking about... playable characters. I wish Saki belonged to that category, but alas... maybe next time.

[Xbob42]

I'm only talking about... playable characters. I wish Saki belonged to that category, but alas... maybe next time.

Ah, hadn't noticed that he was an assist trophy until I went back and noted the bottom of that particular update. Sneaky wording. Ah well, never played Sin & Punishment so I can't say it's too big a loss for me.

Well we certainly can't expect there to be enough new things in the game for "MEGATONZ!!1!!" announcements daily for two more months now, can we?

[Admiral_C]

Speaking of Megatons...they should have the Megaton Punch contest as a minigame in Brawl just for the heck of it...

If you don't know what that is... *sigh*

[Aninymouse]

WHAT NINE THOUSAND??!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

also caps.

[Codycrusader]

I heard somewhere that some Japanese magazine called CoroCoro is "supposedly" going to release some, if not all of the brawlers on Dec. 15 (The day I start believeing the Japanese with their fancy release dates and promising hopes of the characters is the day when I get power over a country)

[atmuh]

There's no LAN play... but there's *Gasp!* online play! Hmmm, might be a smidge easier to work with rather than harder, don't you think? I do. And the frog in my pocket does too.

And yes, you should be thankful its online. It doesn't matter if Billy Bob and his Blonde Brunettes is online on the Wonderbacon Silver, we still had a fair chance of it not being online, and then you'd really be crapping a storm.

Stop setting yourself up for disappointment, you're going to have a stroke.

the lan play was about warp pipe you obviously didnt get that
and online with a broken friends system and no ranking isnt even close to real online

i think the ONLY 360 game with multiplayer thats not online is earth defense 2017 or something but thats because the devs had literally NO budget
only ps3 game with multiplayer and not online i think is vf5 there may be more but im not sure
and uh if a pc game has multiplayer its obviously online
the fact that one out of every 30 or so wii games has online play shows how incredibly far back nintendo is

if i was getting my hopes up for a decent online system id be setting myself up for a disappointment. beings that i know its gonna suck major balls ill be just fine

Well, since I wasn't really expecting anything better than the norm from Nintendo, the revelation that yes, you CAN have friends in Brawl kinda made me feel relieved.

It's still not up to par, but at least I can still have faith that Nintendo will continue to stride the line between OK and deficient.

uh youve been able to have friends ever since mario kart ds, the FIRST ever wfc game



to be honest as far as im concerned there is no online play





like for example if im gonna wanna play one of you guys im gonna have to post here JOIN MY GAME AT THIS TIME that just plain sucks
i should be able to create a game and select friends to invite to my game

which actually brings this to another serious problem
in every wfc game ever youve had to actually CONNECT to wfc in order to appear online
so if this is anything like that you wont appear online if youre just playing the game you have to actually connect to the online mode and SIT THERE
so for all i know my friend could be playing single player mode and i wanna play with him and i dont even know hes there

[Dhsu]

waaaaambulance

[Drack]

waaaaambulance
Why defend inferior online practices? I see no reason to complain about requests for basic functionality the competition has already implemented.

The bottom line is that the database in my sig shouldn't be necessary. Secondary matchmaking methods like forums, IRC chats, Skype chats, IMs, etc shouldn't be necessary.

You should be able to passivly poll WFC for friend invites when you're playing Brawl and have a small icon (much like the "Friend Searching" icon for MKDS) when a friend has invited you.

Additional organizations, like a group feature where anyone who gets invited by a moderator to the group gets automatically friended by everyone in it (ie, automatic, built-in ClanOCR) would be even better. Voice chat, etc. would be great.

There is so much you CAN do with online, and others HAVE done. Why NOT push for a better system?

[Effector]

I agree with you on all points, Drack. However, devs have a limited time and budget. Nintendo is spending that time and money on things that make a game: balance, animation, control, etc. They've already had to delay the release once, and see how much flack they've gotten for that. Yeah, it'd be nice to have a great, Live-style online community, but I'd never ever choose that over a solid game. Online capability should never take precedence over the main development. I'd rather see a great game with a tacked-on online system than the alternative.

In short, I want Brawl, not Melee Online. Spend more time on characters, levels, music, animations, and balance than Nintendo learning online (and making the necessary mistakes) on such a high-profile game.

I want an great online system as much as the next guy (I have a ton of friends online, out of state, with which I'd love to play Brawl) but I don't want to play a mediocre game online.

[BardicKnowledge]

which actually brings this to another serious problem
in every wfc game ever youve had to actually CONNECT to wfc in order to appear online
so if this is anything like that you wont appear online if youre just playing the game you have to actually connect to the online mode and SIT THERE
so for all i know my friend could be playing single player mode and i wanna play with him and i dont even know hes there

This is a serious problem much of the time, and the reason why Pictochat on the DS completely sucks. Kirby: Canvas Curse had an option to actively search for Pictochat people while you played -- EVERY DS game should come with this option. Similarly, your friends should be able to tell if you have Smash in your Wii -- if you're playing single player, more than likely you'd be willing to hop online and play your friends. Nintendo should borrow a page from Half-Life 2 in this regard.

[atmuh]

I agree with you on all points, Drack. However, devs have a limited time and budget. Nintendo is spending that time and money on things that make a game: balance, animation, control, etc. They've already had to delay the release once, and see how much flack they've gotten for that. Yeah, it'd be nice to have a great, Live-style online community, but I'd never ever choose that over a solid game. Online capability should never take precedence over the main development. I'd rather see a great game with a tacked-on online system than the alternative.

In short, I want Brawl, not Melee Online. Spend more time on characters, levels, music, animations, and balance than Nintendo learning online (and making the necessary mistakes) on such a high-profile game.

I want an great online system as much as the next guy (I have a ton of friends online, out of state, with which I'd love to play Brawl) but I don't want to play a mediocre game online.

youre saying NINTENDO has a LIMITED BUDGET on their HIGHEST PROFILE RELEASE??
yeah i dont think so

and
did
you
just
call
melee

MEDIOCRE??


oh and dhsu my fwend im not stopping until the vast majority agree with me that it is awful

[Dhsu]

Why defend inferior online practices?
I'm not defending them, I'm just tired of hearing about them.

I see no reason to complain about requests for basic functionality the competition has already implemented.
Other than the fact that he has been trolling this thread with that decomposed horse corpse for several pages now?

Seriously, I like you and all, Atmuh, but we get the point. You can stop now.

Please.

Edit: Okay what do you hope to accomplish with that kind of goal. What are you going to do, start a petition?

Srsly, if you keep doing this Atmuh you are so not my fwend. :(

[Arek the Absolute]

ahaha dhsu doesnt like you

[Drack]

I really hate to say it, but the developer time argument really doesn't hold water. Coding a simple invite system would be very fast and easy and would not need to involve WFC server load. I've done gamecube and DS coding and I know that adding a feature like this wouldn't entail much. I could do it in a day.

Here's how:

Add a line in the options menu to listen for invites (trivial).
Add that boolean value to the save (trivial).
If that setting is true, once the player is anywhere in the game past the title screen, have the wii host a tiny listening server in a separate thread to overlay an icon to the display if an invite occurs, to ACK pings no more than once every 5 seconds (to prevent DoS) and to store the friend code and IP info for sender of the invite (Not trivial, but still relatively simple. Sockets are not hard to program).
Add a menu item to the online menu, to send an invite. Have that bring up the friend list. Ping each friend and only display those who ACK the ping. Have a short timeout. (not that complicated)
Add an event when someone clicks the invite received icon (which expires after one minute) with the IR of the wiimote, or a joystick cursor (GC controller...) in the pause menu or out-of-game menus. Have that ACK the invite and add to the online game the inviter is hosting.
The invite times out for the sender as well after one minute.

I've had homework assignments harder than this.

Edit: Brawl support added to the ClanOCR database, as the Dojo has revealed the friend code format to be xxxx-xxxx-xxxx.

[Arek the Absolute]

drack for developer of online play next wii game

[atmuh]

finally a little backup!
<3 drack

[Arek the Absolute]

see
im not against you
but you gots to calm down
you are liek ab and thats bad :(

[Effector]

Yeah, I guess you're right Drack. I know you know a little bit more about this stuff than I do, but eh. If I can play with friends online in Brawl, it doesn't matter to me if I have to type in a few numbers or whatever. It'll take about five minutes of my time, which in the scale of how long I'll be playing Brawl, is just about infinitesimal.

I don't disagree with the fact that it wouldn't be terribly difficult, but I can't just get myself riled up about it. Especially not to atma-levels.

Plus, Drack, you never responded to my Georgia Tech request in the Wii thread, so you're not mai freind no moar. I was on campus a few weeks ago, and I was really impressed with it. You like it?

[Drack]

Plus, Drack, you never responded to my Georgia Tech request in the Wii thread, so you're not mai freind no moar. I was on campus a few weeks ago, and I was really impressed with it. You like it?

Check your PMs. I don't want to derail these threads.

[Mr Jarna]

uh youve been able to have friends ever since mario kart ds, the FIRST ever wfc game

to be honest as far as im concerned there is no online play

lol, for some reason I was thinking that they hadn't announced friends for Brawl in that earlier update. Stupid me. :tomatoface:

But really now, are you srsly never gonna play online?

[atmuh]

Yeah, I guess you're right Drack. I know you know a little bit more about this stuff than I do, but eh. If I can play with friends online in Brawl, it doesn't matter to me if I have to type in a few numbers or whatever. It'll take about five minutes of my time, which in the scale of how long I'll be playing Brawl, is just about infinitesimal.

I don't disagree with the fact that it wouldn't be terribly difficult, but I can't just get myself riled up about it. Especially not to atma-levels.

Plus, Drack, you never responded to my Georgia Tech request in the Wii thread, so you're not mai freind no moar. I was on campus a few weeks ago, and I was really impressed with it. You like it?

his entire post was about invites not friend codes



and yeah ill play online to beat the crap out of all the enemies ive made through this thread

also to play drack catphysician easyp and arek because they are my fwends

[Broken]

Check your PMs. I don't want to derail these threads.

HAHAHAHAHAH.
No really, are you serious?

[Arek the Absolute]

this thread cannot possibly be more derailed then it has in it's past billion pages

the mods couldn't care less about this thread anymore
the only reason why it is here is because the fans would riot if it was gone

[friendlyHunter]

Reading through the update, my first thoughts were "aww how cute, Nintendo's trying to do online! ^_^

I'm not totally disappointed though. The worst thing for me has to be the fact that you have to wait for people to join... and with no invites and no voice chat, I'd better get a longer chord on the phone, or a sofa on rails that glides between the TV and the computer with the push of a button. Preferably both.

I have some serious complaints though:



GOOD:

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/eyw/eyw128/glow-in-the-dark-telephone-number-pad-~-bde_024.jpg
http://www.carrollcommunications.com/softconsole/images/dial_pad_1.bmp



BAD:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/AIM/a3621~Telephone-Posters.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/images/wi-fi03/wi-fi03_071203b-l.jpg

Put your numbers in a damn grid, people! Is it that hard?! I don't have time to needlessly scroll back and forth through all those numbers! THIS IS NOT NEW TECHNOLOGY!! Not everyone who owns a Wii has their own Wii remote to point with! We have to type in TWELVE painful digits for each friend, even though you've already implemented an adequate grid system for typing in your FOUR LETTER NAME?! Final Fantasy VI is, what, over a decade old now - they had FIVE letter names, and you type them with the letters in a NICE GRID... is it so much to ask??? These guys must be working on zero sleep to make mistakes like these. Either that or Sakurai's running out of things to show, so he has to put up screenshots of crappy unfinished GUIs. Gosh!


By the way, the circle at the top right of your Friend Roster approximates the connection quality of your last connection. The closer it is to blue, the smoother you’ll be able to play.

Nice support for the colour-blind, "Skrai", if that is your real name. Did you know that 1 out of every some number of people is colour-blind?? You can take your fifth letter and shove it up your item hole.


Ahem...

And on a lighter note:



*attempting to post image*



...

..... >=[

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Four images my ass!! Is it that hard to make it five, or can those raging dunces not reach the number five on their linear keypads??! THIS IS TOTALLY A MINOR ANNOYANCE!!!

[The Author]

So, Everquest, EVE online and WoW provide a world that is constantly online.

Why can't smash offer that, I mean, online is online and other people do it.

Of course they charge for their online services and they use some pretty present advertising. So yeah, lets complain about stuff that was offered to paying customers not being offered to non-paying ones.


And well, they want to offer a more family friendly approach. Think about your last randomly set up Halo 3 game with some strangers and try to see if it was family friendly...

[atmuh]

So, Everquest, EVE online and WoW provide a world that is constantly online.

Why can't smash offer that, I mean, online is online and other people do it.

Of course they charge for their online services and they use some pretty present advertising. So yeah, lets complain about stuff that was offered to paying customers not being offered to non-paying ones.


And well, they want to offer a more family friendly approach. Think about your last randomly set up Halo 3 game with some strangers and try to see if it was family friendly...

i have a BLAST on team doubles - me and my bro vs two guys
if you dont like what you here there is a MUTE button

[MasterSenshi]

Wow, I guess I haven't been playing much videogames. People LOVE the internet.

I wonder what'll happen after tonights more-than-likely uninteresting post?

[Bigfoot]

I really HOPE that tonight's update will be AWESOME. I really LIKE emphasis on my WORDS, EMPHASIS!

[Dhsu]

ahaha dhsu doesnt like you
o rly
Seriously, I like you and all, Atmuh

Dude just needs to know when to take a Xanax.

[atmuh]

hug me
naked

[Dhsu]

Okay but first promise to stop ruining this thread. :(

[MasterSenshi]

This thread is pretty off topic at this point...

Maybe we can talk about Voltron vs. Transformers next and place odds on which will show up on Brawl first.

Or maybe Ultraman vs. Speedracer, or that kid from Neverending Story vs. the kid from the Navigator.

/sarcasm
/dated

Update in 20 minutes, yummy....

[atmuh]

nothing to see here
move along

[Linkjing Donuts]

geez, they really don't care about how ugly the pokemon look, do they

[ILLiterate]

I really HOPE that tonight's update will be AWESOME. I really LIKE emphasis on my WORDS, EMPHASIS!
It'll be four pictures

One of Sakurai's face

One of Sakurai's face looking in the other direction

Sakurai being hit with fire

A picture of Captain Falcon standing there saying "Show me your moves!"

EDIT: Oh wait it's pokemon, stupid

[Neo Samus]

Man.....this thread just keeps getting weirder and weirder O_O

Dear god....well I know there was someone who was curious about what Pokemon would be returning. Give us another character for goodness sake!!! [/whining]

[linkspast]

geez, they really don't care about how ugly the pokemon look, do they
Well its not like you have a ton of time to look at them.. well unless your in some snapshot mode.

Oh and heres to 2 months and 7 days of lame updates.

[MasterSenshi]

LAMETH I SAY, LAMETH!!!!

It would be so nice to have them tell us things that are new, not these lame updates that are admitting to showing NOTHING NEW. But then again, this is Nintendo... I'm going to have to skip out for a while now. This is beyond lame its.... LAMEMASTERY!

I should probably be writing this dumb paper now anywayz.. peace out!

[Neo Samus]

Do your paper dammit!!!

[MasterSenshi]

Yeah, snorlax is back!

Oh and Bellossom (sp?)

/end sarcasm
/OK snorlax is cool but...
/end post

[Mastertoku]

Damn my optimism.

[Gerbah]

Man, I remember back when the Dojo started it's weekday updates, people were complaining "Please! Give us just ONE more newcomer! Then I won't complain about the updates anymore!".

I suppose I don't need to elaborate? Not really annoyed or whatever by this, it's human nature to "bargain", I suppose, but I guess since we've been "spoiled" so much these updates are letting people down after we've been given so much? Yes I end most sentences with a question mark?

Anyway, cool to see that Mew/Celebi give us something more than me pushing start and doing my best to get Mew in focus and going "Mew!".

[I-n-j-i-n]

geez, they really don't care about how ugly the pokemon look, do they

Some looked worse than they did in SSBM. Yay.

I actually really like Lugia being in there, but then they put in Togepi..

[Strike911]

Hmm... nothing unexpected, but a little info is better than no info. Some of the models do look crappy... but meh, no worries. I can deal with it.



I just wonder if we'll see any old N64 Pokemon thrown back in. I kind of miss Onix and Bee Drill.

:)

EDIT: Now that I look at the Pokemon pictures again, I think the minimalist lack of polygons really make the Pokemon pop out from the stage and look more like cartoons or stylistic or... something... they just pop more. Just look. Maybe it's just that they contrast so harshly with the lush backgrounds. *shrugs*

No worries. At least you don't have to look at them closely in game. :)

[Amayirot Akago]

Where's Mudkip?

[cobaltstarfire]

Really, it's kind of hard to add much to the existing Pokemon designs short of scales/fur/feather details, and I think too much of that would be a bit obnoxious.

I still want to see hitmonlee return, it's just too amusing for him to pop up and fly across the screen yelling stuff.

[Raziellink]

Lame. Update.

[!Nekko!]

fucking wabbuffet

[Arek the Absolute]

wabba wabba!

[Ray Falling]

I'm kind of getting the feeling that everything is starting to wrap up nicely. These "less interesting" updates are unavoidable, and would have to be done at one point or another.

They probably won't reveal EVERYTHING on the site, and seeing how the game WAS going to be released this week originally, I can imagine all that is left for them to do is finish up on their online stuff and whatnot (assuming that was the reason of the delay).

There's still a chance of more interesting secrets to be revealed soon, but these "Smash for dummies" updates will still be there too.

One a side note:

Stage builder + crazy physics + Super Wario on bike = at least 2 minutes worth of giggles :D

[Dhsu]

Really, it's kind of hard to add much to the existing Pokemon designs short of scales/fur/feather details, and I think too much of that would be a bit obnoxious.

I still want to see hitmonlee return, it's just too amusing for him to pop up and fly across the screen yelling stuff.
Say say say!

Edit:
my pokeymans

let me show you them

[Xbob42]

I'm kind of glad there's no voice chat. If I had to hear Atma bitch like that, I might have to kill myself. :(

Just kidding Atma, we all ...love...? you. <3

[Cerrax]

Some looked worse than they did in SSBM. Yay.

Yeah. Some of the assist trophies (and now the pokemon) look like N64 models wrapped in Gamecube textures. Personnaly I would appreciate quality over quanitity in this respect.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

I'm kind of glad there's no voice chat. If I had to hear Atma bitch like that, I might have to kill myself. :(Agreed

Just kidding Atma
Disagreed

[Imagist]

Wait, does it look to anyone else like Snorlax can break destructable platforms and such?

It looks to me like Snorlax can break destructible platforms and such.

[DJ SymBiotiX]

hmm.. well at least celebi and mew have some sort of purpose now. Also, I hate wabuffet!!

A week or so ago, me and my friends did that black hole thing in melee, and the game froze when wabuffet got thrown in to the mix :P. Since the game couldnt possibly calculate the next frame, due to wabuffets movements being calculated by what side hit it. ahh.. good times.

[Hum4n After All]

Man the Pokemon still look like ass.

[Triad Orion]

Wobbuffet for the win.

[atmuh]

I'm kind of glad there's no voice chat. If I had to hear Atma bitch like that, I might have to kill myself. :(

Just kidding Atma, we all ...love...? you. <3

MUTE BUTTON

[Airwalker]

Some looked worse than they did in SSBM. Yay.
Well, considering the screen will not likely be zoomed in on them like they are in the screenshots, I consider them to be decent.

I actually really like Lugia being in there, but then they put in Togepi..

What do you have against Togepi? Togepi is one bad-ass dude.

[Drack]

Online voice chat? I don't think that's even a GOOD IDEA over random games. Just take a look at xbox live.

Friend matches? Sure it's nice, but I don't think we're gonna see a USB mic for Wii. Though it would be interesting to see the GC mic work, I don't think that's going to happen. It's handheld instead of headset, and doesn't seem to be very good quality.

[megadave]

Online voice chat? I don't think that's even a GOOD IDEA over random games. Just take a look at xbox live.

Friend matches? Sure it's nice, but I don't think we're gonna see a USB mic for Wii. Though it would be interesting to see the GC mic work, I don't think that's going to happen. It's handheld instead of headset, and doesn't seem to be very good quality.

All you would ever hear would be "pwned!" "noob!" "total ownage!" and stuff like that.

[GenericDerrick]

Long time lurker here. I don't care too much about the fact that the Wii doesn't has a mic, I don't have friends to play video games with anyway (the people where I live are complete idiots and I live in the boonies).

The only reason why I'll be using the online aspect of Brawl is to fight against random people, and maybe to play with one of my cousins that doesn't suck at SSB. But Atma's right, Nintendo didn't really factor in all the people that play competitively at all, they just catered to the parents and little kids that want to play online, making the online aspect of Brawl a bitch to use for the more seasoned players with friends.

Like Atma said, who wants to sit by a phone or make a post saying JOIN MY GAME NOW to get their friends to play. I'm fine with the offline aspect of Brawl, I'll be happy just pummeling the level 9 CPUs to a pulp with Meta Knight.

[Aninymouse]

Hey guys stop picking on Atma, srsly yo.

I <3 Ho-oh.

[Xbob42]

MUTE BUTTON

There isn't a mute button in the world big enough to silence Atma. :(

[Dhsu]

Hey guys stop picking on Atma, srsly yo.
Srsly yo, he started it.

He has been behaving for the last couple pages though. :3

[Infinity's End]

Dear Sakurai:

This is late 2007. Your game will be released in early 2008. Please use all that extra time to make the Pokemon NOT look like utter ass. You have updated the texture maps on every single character (Kirby nonwithstanding) in the game, so a few measley Pokemon should be no exception. Thank you.

Sincerely,
Infinity's End

[MasterSenshi]

Do your paper dammit!!!

Thanks, I needed that.

I should work harder for the next week or so (when the paper is due)

[Thalzon]

There's a very good chance the game is already done. Around 2 months is generally needed to produce and ship the discs

That said, everything takes up memory. The Pokeball pokemon are low-poly and textured in simple, flat colours because those eat up less memory and therefore help prevent slowdown. The fewer polys the game needs to keep track of, the smoother and more consistent the framerate.

Not saying they aren't ugly, but there are reasons for them being so. Besides, I'd rather have a few ugly pokes than the absence of a decent gameplay mode, if it came down to texturing versus content.

[MasterSenshi]

Hey guys stop picking on Atma, srsly yo.

I <3 Ho-oh.

I can't complain about a guy cool enough to name himself after one of Final Fantasy 6's coolest bosses... it's like a behemoth, but BETTER.

Anyway I used complain a lot. It's interesting watching people who have the habit still... though I don't wish to re-engage... much again. :-P

[atmuh]

All you would ever hear would be "pwned!" "noob!" "total ownage!" and stuff like that.

id just be screaming balls
just like xbox live :]

[Codycrusader]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CibWEKtQsds

Thought this would be interesting for you guys :P

[!Nekko!]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CibWEKtQsds

Thought this would be interesting for you guys :P

Who the fuck are those annoying girls talking in the background?

[Mastertoku]

Who the fuck are those annoying girls talking in the background?
The attendants of the Brawl booth, so I'm told.

[Aninymouse]

So the site updates around 2AM EST, right? I'm up but I'm not sure if I should bother waiting for the update or just sleep. I don't know why I would suspect it to be anything good, anyway >_>

EDIT: DAMNIT I WAS HOPING YOU COULD INDEPENDENTLY SWITCH OFF THE "PITY" FS GRAGHGHDJMN...

[Codycrusader]

I bet the song will go on a Sonic stage or a Kirby stage because they sound like they would fit into one of their games... or Star Fox

[Mastertoku]

Hrm. Song's kind of nifty.

Ironic, though, that it closely resembles one of the songs on Mojo...

The sound really reminds me of the older Japanese N64 games like Sin and Punishment.

[Steben]

I wonder why the UK/Ireland site updates before the US one, in my experience?

Anyway. I'm really digging the new music. And everyone's assumption that Final Smashes could be disabled is confirmed. I'm still not sure if I'll enjoy having them in the game or not. Typically I play without items, but we'll see.

[Aninymouse]

The song is nice at least.

[DuskyFerret]

I wonder why the UK/Ireland site updates before the US one, in my experience?

Because the translator has to translate from English to American

[Steben]

Because the translator has to translate from English to American

I suppose it does take time to find all those unnecessary vowels and remove them. Not to mention change all those z's to s's. :(

[atmuh]

Because the translator has to translate from English to American

i speak american



well it looks like you guys will be getting lots of final smashes when we play

[Aninymouse]

I say when the nubs get the pity final smash, you beat it out of them and use it on them! Assuming, of course, they don't use it while they're invincible (and they can hit you) :<

[DuskyFerret]

I know this could never happen, but imagine if Pokemon could damage the Smash Ball and then absorb it themselves.

You could have a Wabbuffet absorb it and then......

SHADOW BOND everybody who bashed it dies......


Or Snorlax could grab it and go...

REST much like Jiggly's but at a much larger scale.

[Mastertoku]

I know this could never happen, but imagine if Pokemon could damage the Smash Ball and then absorb it themselves.

You could have a Wabbuffet absorb it and then......

SHADOW BOND everybody who bashed it dies......


Or Snorlax could grab it and go...

REST much like Jiggly's but at a much larger scale.
Hey.

Munchlax eats items...

:<*NOM NOM NOM*

[Strike911]

Wow. So Sakurai says there will songs from games that aren't represented in Smash Bros... so I wonder if that is also true for levels, because if that is the case then it's possible there won't be an Animal Crossing character represented.

I like having tons of stuff from random games that don't have playable characters. More content is awesome. Of course, I guess we also had the Mach Rider theme in Melee which wasn't represented (not including the trophy... trophies don't count though as represented though).

I know it's from X, but the song reminds me a lot like a really fast version of a few songs from Phantasy Star Online for some reason...

Cool though. I like the fact that we get some synthesized goodness, something which was really lacking in Melee... again, Mach Rider and Flat Zone were the only ones I can think of off the top of my head... so good times. It's got that nostalgic NES sound that although I've never played "X" before, the song makes me feel like it's the late 80's early 90s again. :)

I know this could never happen, but imagine if Pokemon could damage the Smash Ball and then absorb it themselves.

If a Pokemon destroys a smash ball, I know a simple Final Smash that would be perfect. It will start raining pokeballs from the sky that indiscriminately attack all players. So for 15 seconds it would be wave after wave of Pokemon dropping from above. I think that would be easy to implement, and pretty fun.

I always liked it when Bobombs fell from the sky in Melee during Sudden Death when it went too long. :) They need some more stuff like that!

[BeleagueredandBeset]

Am I the only one who was forcibly reminded of the old Super Bomberman games for the SNES when I heard that music? I want Bomberman as an assist trophy.

[The Mutericator]

Am I the only one who was forcibly reminded of the old Super Bomberman games for the SNES when I heard that music? I want Bomberman as an assist trophy.

If they're going to go through all the trouble of getting the legal rights to get Bomberman in Brawl, why wouldn't you make him playable?

[Arek the Absolute]

reminds me of big blue with iforgetwhatsong and infinite mountain with balloon fighter

[Sir_NutS]

I liked this update.

[Scufo]

Eww, elastic band effect. Do not like.

[Neo Samus]

Eww, elastic band effect. Do not like.

Elastic band effect??? Huh?

[Thalzon]

Elastic band effect??? Huh?

He means that nobody will be able to get too far ahead in a match, as the people in last place will be given help by the game so they can keep up. Just like putting two marbles in a rubber band and stretching it, you can only pull so far before they snap back together.

[Mr Jarna]

Or the person who gets the pity smash will be too nub to use it well, resulting in a phailure use or the better player beating it out of them.

Also, didn't we already get this update? I swear Sakurai is repeating himself.

Except for the music. ++ there.

[!Nekko!]

I hope you can turn pity off, because sometimes when you beat the shit out of someone, they deserve it.

[Imagist]

I hope you can turn pity off, because sometimes when you beat the shit out of someone, they deserve it.

He basically indicated as much. That's one aspect of the update we haven't heard before: Smash Balls can be turned off.

[Neo Samus]

He means that nobody will be able to get too far ahead in a match, as the people in last place will be given help by the game so they can keep up. Just like putting two marbles in a rubber band and stretching it, you can only pull so far before they snap back together.

Oh, duh. I should've known that's what he was talking about.

[Drack]

Hope the pity final smashes can be turned off. Handicaps should be off by default.

[Scufo]

Yeah it's pretty much retarded when a game tries to artificially make a match closer than it should be. He doesn't say anything about being able to adjust the frequencies of smash balls and pity smashes independently. Hope you can.

[Hector]

Last time I played with handicaps on, I had them adjust automatically. One of the players had the twisted idea of purposely losing so that he could get the power of handicap 9. Things quickly turned painful after that.

[Xbob42]

I think it's pretty safe to say that Pity Smashes are either part of the Handicap system or can be turned off. Obviously if you can turn Smash Balls (Heh, that sounds funny... Smash balls...) off then logically there'd be a way to turn Pity Smash off. Even then, a "significant" point advantage sounds like you'd have to be kicking the crap out of someone to get a Pity Smash, and even then, they're not guaranteed it. At least this is how I interpret it.

Just how bad do you people need to whoop someone?!

[Scufo]

Oh, it's not that I think a pity smash can turn around a game or anything. The person using it will still probably lose, but it's just really lame to hand the loser a super-powerful attack just for the sake of slightly reducing the amount they'll lose by. Also I could see it getting annoying in 4 player matches.

No big deal though. Of course you can turn them off. I just hope there's separate on/off toggles for smash balls and pity smashes.

[Aninymouse]

Honestly, with how broken certain final smashes seem to be (Bowser at the very least) it doesn't look like money matches are going to allow them at this point unless all trends are bucked and they let certain other items not named Super Spicy Curry in. We'll see.

...

[GenericDerrick]

I don't know if this has been said already, but it makes me wonder if the Smash Balls will be in Classic mode or any other mode for that matter other than Vs, I mean that would seriously make Classic mode easier than it already is. You would straight up crap on the computer and it'd be an instant win. I know they probably won't be in those modes, but it makes me wonder a little..

[Thalzon]

Then again, when fighting another character in single player, you better watch the hell out.

Or worse, they'll make you fight other characters in permanent FS-mode, like Giga Bowser, Dragon Yoshi, etc...

[RealFolkBlues]

Yeahhhhh, fixed handicaps in games are silly. Two examples of how they can be done pop up in my mind; Blitz and Mario Kart. I don't know about you guys, but when I'm winning a long ass race by a bit the entire way through and then get hit with a blue shell at the last second, it never fails to piss me off. Even when I fire a blue shell, I feel like a complete douchebag.

On the other hand, Blitz is just retarded fun, and very hard to take seriously. Thus the handicap, which could get ridiculous, was mainly just amusing. That having been said, it was still irritating to lose a close game by a last minute fumble return.

Suffice it to say, I'm sure you'll be able to mess with the pity settings.

[BeleagueredandBeset]

If they're going to go through all the trouble of getting the legal rights to get Bomberman in Brawl, why wouldn't you make him playable?

Yeah, good point. But he's not that popular, is he? People would probably see him and be like 'WTF?' But then again, I'm one of those people who's hoping for obscure characters (like Geno).

I'd say the pity smash balls will be toggle-able. I wonder, though: will CPUs get pity smashes?

[friendlyHunter]

I think Bomberman's definitely popular enough to be playable. If it weren't for Smash Bros, I'd wager he'd be more well-known than Ice Climbers, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, and Earthbound. Possibly...

I wonder, though: will CPUs get pity smashes?
Why not? Computers have feelings too! Especially when you're fighting a team of 3 Bowsers. If you start winning by too much, you'd better watch out!!!


Hmmm... if the pity smash (which I will hereby refer to as "loser ball") is customizable to the point that you can make everyone but the first place player(s) get a loser ball, it could make for some interesting matches....

Only motion mines and Bob-ombs on highest, 300% damage, loser balls turned to max, 4-Wario free for all with 50 lives each... top that off with a custom stage that's shaped like a funnel and blasting "hip" beats, and you've got yourself a fun time filled with impressive bike jumps. WOW I finally grasped just how customizable this game is going to be 8O


Wait, wait, I'm getting something....

Gigantic level shaped like slanted girders with ladders... Gravity set to max... fixed camera, only barrels on highest... WAIT, and some hammers too.... 3 Mario's with 300% damage vs 1 Donkey Kong with 0% damage... DK arcade remix..!!!! WOOOAAAOAAOOAAHHOHHH!!!!!

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Gigantic level shaped like slanted girders with ladders... Gravity set to max... fixed camera, only barrels on highest... WAIT, and some hammers too.... 3 Mario's with 300% damage vs 1 Donkey Kong with 0% damage... DK arcade remix..!!!! WOOOAAAOAAOOAAHHOHHH!!!!!

That would be fucking sweet.

[MasterSenshi]

We need an AT that screams 'Slicer!' and flies across the screen, slicing everyone it touches.

That would be sweet.

And also an AT that comes down and breaths fire on all, burning them to shreds.

That would be so awesome.

And lastly an old warrior, with faded armour in an off blue tone, that destroys any pokemon and offending characters in a few swift strikes.

That would be so awesome as well.

[MasterSenshi]

Then again, when fighting another character in single player, you better watch the hell out.

Or worse, they'll make you fight other characters in permanent FS-mode, like Giga Bowser, Dragon Yoshi, etc...

Maybe this would create a glitch for Samus. Zero Laser, Crystal Flash. Zero Laser, Crystal flash. (Grating crash noise).

:)

[MasterSenshi]

A video would help... maybe this FS is nice, maybe it's lame, but I think Pit's at least will look more unique.

[atmuh]

booooooring

[Binjovi]

booooooring


Were you really expecting something cool at this point? I'm not.

[Bigfoot]

booooooring

Just like your posts, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :P

[nookster]

bbbuuurrrrnnn

hehe ahem. But yeah I'm actually relieved by this. I didn't want to know much more, want to experience new things for myself. So yeah, start screen tomorrow please

[Hobocop]

It's like a larger-scale version of his B forward :(
They're doing this too often. First Samus and Diddy, now Dedede... sigh

[BeleagueredandBeset]

Hmmm... We've seen quite a few final smashes.

This is a bit off-topic, but I wonder if there'll be an option to change which Pokemon and Assist Trophy characters appear? Like the item switch but more specific. That would be pretty cool. All Snorlaxes and Electrodes, plus Bob-ombs and motion sensor bombs like mentioned before... Ahhh the chaos.

[Drack]

My roommate is retarded at times.

You saw earlier how he bought the premise of the 'shopped image of Brawl being bought at some French store (a pic that seems to have originally appeared on 4chan...). Now he's saying that the delay was intentional and unnecessary, a deliberate marketing move to keep software sales high both during and after the holiday season, by moving one of the highest demand games' release to after the Christmas rush. This should please stockholders as they like continued high sales rather than holiday season spikes.

I really don't see how this argument holds water. Brawl has had so much effort poured into it, and many big name composers working on it as well. Some of the music on the Dojo isn't live performed, or even quite worthy of the names behind them. The E for All demo had few characters and fewer stages available. The game certainly isn't finished, though the lack of interesting updates shows that a lot of the work is either being done on the internals and core system (which seems appropriate as impressions from E for All were generally not showing many new game mechanics), or the single player, which we've only seen a bit of. I believe that Nintend is pulling a Blizzard, and not releasing content until it can be guananteed to be the best they can put out. And if it IS finished, I see little market advantage in witholding the smash hit (haha) game until AFTER the season where customers spend the MOST. Big early 2008 titles are ALREADY in the works, like Mario Kart Wii.

[The Author]

The method at Nintendo is that they would rather scrap a project than release an unsatisfying one. I believe it has happened in the past.

In fact, from Wikipedia:

Miyamoto and fellow developers refer to this scrapping as "Chabudai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabudai) Gaeshi" (ちゃぶ台返し, "upending the tea table"), a reference to manga and anime Star of the Giants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_the_Giants).[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Miyamoto#_note-11) It is also referred to as "Miyahon Check" (Miyahon is an alternative kanji reading of Miyamoto) or "Miyamoto Test".[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Miyamoto#_note-12)

"Twinkle Popo" was a completed product with a pre-order of 26,000 units. It was supposed to be released under the game's developer, HAL Laboratory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Laboratory). Miyamoto intervened arguing that, with a tiny bit of tweaking, it would become a great game. After cancelling the pre-order, the game was eventually released under Nintendo with the title Kirby's Dream Land (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirby%27s_Dream_Land), selling 5 million units globally.
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time) was supposed to be released immediately after the release of the Nintendo 64 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64) (Japanese release date, 6 June (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_6) 1996 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996)). Instead, Miyamoto, who was the producer, repeatedly ordered the game to be redone, resulting in numerous announcements of delays by Nintendo until the game's eventual release on 21 November (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_21) 1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998). Ocarina of Time sold over 7.6 million units and has the highest average review score of any game ever made.
Eiji Aonuma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiji_Aonuma) was initially the producer of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Twilight_Princess). However, between 2005 to 2006, Miyamoto replaced him. He stated that the switch was the result of a year-long development being "Chabudai Gaeshi"ed. [16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Miyamoto#_note-13) In the same interview, Miyamoto said that he had to clean up the mess of his Chabudai Gaeshi, so he joined in as a producer and also to assist in the development of the game. Twilight Princess, eventually released for both the GameCube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube) and Wii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii) consoles, has received tremendous critical acclaim and commercial success in the Western markets.

[Drack]

Retarded. Brawl possibly delayed until SUMMER in Europe.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/release-dates/european-super-smash-bros-brawl-this-summer-330738.php

[Fishy]

If thats true they can go fuck themselves. I'm sick to shit of waiting for games longer then I have to. UT3 shipping to europe 5 days after everywhere else, and yet I have to wait 5 months for brawl. Shit, I had to wait like 8 months for FF12.

Bull.

[megadave]

Nintendo are low for giving release dates and changing them multiple times.

Oh well, there's only one thing left to say:

MEGA MAN FOR BRAWL!!!!!

[DeepChild]

What's that all about? Surely it can't take four months to localize a European version. Do they even offer multi-language support in their Euro ports? If not, then what on Earth are they doing/thinking?

[Arek the Absolute]

Wow, that is really bullshit. I don't any reason at all why Europe has to wait that damn long just to get this.

Sorry to hear about that guys.

Fucking lame.

[I-n-j-i-n]

That is some great news. Four months. Enjoy your nearly-three-year wait.

[Wipomatic]

Nintendo are low for giving release dates and changing them multiple times.

Oh well, there's only one thing left to say:

MEGA MAN FOR BRAWL!!!!!

They never announced a release date for Europe, in fact they still haven't, they just say after June. Knowing how much Nintendo cares about Europe, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't come until next christmas.

[Scufo]

After June? Seriously? That's terrible. It's possible there's a reason that localization would take so long, but still. That sucks.

I hope this doesn't mean anything for the North American release.

[GenericDerrick]

A little off topic but I was thinking today about what Melee level should be kept above all else..The Fountain of Dreams. I mean since Dedede is in the game it would only make sense that an event match would be Dedede Vs Kirby on that stage just for nostalgic purposes (not to mention it's my favorite level from Melee). I kind of hope they redo the whole thing and make it alot more badass.

[Aninymouse]

Agreed, best stage from Melee.

[Paratha]

Seconded. Loved the music in Fountain of Dreams too.

Bring back Final Destination lololololol.

[Bigfoot]

Seconded. Loved the music in Fountain of Dreams too.

Bring back Final Destination lololololol.

Oh, it'll be back, player made or not.

[Global-Trance]

Fountain of Dreams was awesome but it lags so hard with four people.

[friendlyHunter]

Somehow I don't think a Melee level would lag on the Wii...

[Global-Trance]

It probably wouldn't. Just stating that it lags in Melee.

[Red Shadow]

just played melee with a local smashboards forum member for 4 and a half hours

i can beat his marth with my ness

[Mastertoku]

Well, that's informative, if nothing else.

Glad to see that Sakurai is aware of gamefaqs.com...

EDIT: Hey, what the -

What's that little thing in the space suit in the final screenshot of the post?

[Red Shadow]

the ice climbers

i was hoping for olimar the way you wrote it

[SirChadlyOC]

Hey, what the -

What's that little thing in the space suit in the final screenshot of the post?

Just an Ice Climber. Nothing to get too excited about. :-(

[Mastertoku]

the ice climbers
Ah, so it is.

And so another speculative bubble is burst.

Oh well... he can't keep doing mediocre posts forever...

[Neo Samus]

I actually like what they did with random battles....to a point. I'm still irritated by NWFC in general, but I like the CPU coming in to fight if someone drops out/connection gets lost. Keeps the battle the same as if nothing happened? I wonder what level the CPU will be at if someone gets dropped?

[atmuh]

so basically pretty much just play against computers since they are lag free and you can pick the stages yourself
and you can turn all the items off


But even without this mode, given the proliferation of the Internet these days, the existence of hidden characters is going to get exposed anyway.

i enjoyed that statement







oh and todays update confirms that to appear online you have to CONNECT to the wfc and be in the online menu
WAY TO GO NINTENDO

they really enjoy showing how broken their non friends online mode is

[Mastertoku]

I actually like what they did with random battles....to a point. I'm still irritated by NWFC in general, but I like the CPU coming in to fight if someone drops out/connection gets lost. Keeps the battle the same as if nothing happened? I wonder what level the CPU will be at if someone gets dropped?
I'm guessing it'll figure out some level based on the proportion of how many lives the "dropper" had in relation to everybody else's stock count.

[Neo Samus]

I woder if we'll be able to tell if someone gets dropped? Like if it makes a sound?

[Moseph]

But even without this mode, given the proliferation of the Internet these days, the existence of hidden characters is going to get exposed anyway.

i enjoyed that statement

That darn internet is all over the place, revealing Smash characters, government secrets, and Harry Potter plots.

[linkspast]

So hes not worried about revealing secret characters... hmmm...So there are still more to be revealed

[atmuh]

oh and it seems like youll only be able to do TIME since there is no host so no one to change options

WHO THE BALLS ACTUALLY PLAYS TIME

[MasterSenshi]

Ya know...

Some people don't like to have secrets revealed. I noticed Sakurai said nothing about secret stages. The stage and character select screens look like the same as in E For All, so I suppose you could have stages unlocked that you haven't opened yet.

I hope the instruction manual has something for people who aren't geeks. I'll be playing with live people mostly, but it would suck for things to be spoiled by somebody new to the game, or with a sucky internet connection.

Otherwise I like this post... it's better than the rest of the crap for something like the last 3 weeks. Not much new, but at least it was interesting.


Hmmm, at least there was some new information today. Let's hope next week is much better.

[MasterSenshi]

So hes not worried about revealing secret characters... hmmm...So there are still more to be revealed

Yep yep.

They said something like 30-40 chars. They haven't even shown a roster equal to the Smash Bros. Melee...

Perhaps Sakurai never intended everything to be shown on the site. If he keeps lollygagging like this, we may be able to discover things in the game ourselves! :-P

[atmuh]

I'll be playing with live people mostly, but it would suck for things to be spoiled by somebody new to the game, or with a sucky internet connection.

if there was any kind of ranked play you could avoid playing new people altogether (assuming you dont suck balls)

TOO BAD THERE ISNT ANY

[Neo Samus]

I'm not going to hold my breath or anything but, there could still be a ranking mode.

[Binjovi]

It looks like the color of the Wi-Fi menu is pink. Maybe 'cause it's gay. :razz:

I always liked the whole stage/course voting thing, but why can't he let us adjust items?! Still, most of the people I'll be playing will be sitting in the same room as me, so it's not that bad. If it's the same way in Friends mode (and I assume it is) real tournaments are still going to have to be held at a specific location, sadly.

oh and it seems like youll only be able to do TIME since there is no host so no one to change options

WHO THE BALLS ACTUALLY PLAYS TIME

In a four person fight, time can actually be better than stock. Since the winner isn't the last person standing, but instead, the person with the most KOs, it keeps those Samus, Fox, Falco, etc. players from sitting back shooting missiles/lasers/whatevers at everyone. While a truly skilled player doesn't need to resort to tactics like that, there's a much higher chance you'll be playing people who would. It would only be fair that the kid playing Pikachu never wins 'cause all he does is tap B over and over.

[atmuh]

I'm not going to hold my breath or anything but, there could still be a ranking mode.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/wi-fi01.html

showing there is no other mode besides friends and anyone
and we see whats inside with anyone

Your opponent will not know your name or any information about you, and neither of you can send short messages. There will also be no battle records kept for this mode, so whether you win or lose, it doesn’t matter. Just sit back and play.

aka NO

[Johnny B]

oh and it seems like youll only be able to do TIME since there is no host so no one to change options


We don't even know whether we can do 1v1 yet. Probably not. I actually don't mind time in free for alls; ffa stocks can involve a lot of ganging up on the player with the most lives left.

Hopefully we'll be able to set our online preferences for things like stock vs. time, stock number, item switch, etc. Oh, and number of players. If I were to make an online mode, I'd think I would allow people to play in random one-on-one matches.

[atmuh]

johnny b is a genius everyone!


and if youve ever played a wfc game youll know that you cant control how many people you play with they just try to get you 4 and since the online is gonna probably be full of fags itll always be a 4 player match

and you wont be able to set preferences like that
id bet money im right about that

[TheCatPhysician]

Isn’t that simple? You don’t have to trouble with any settings. However, if you do want to go through settings, you can.

Just kidding! We're still gay; don't worry.

[atmuh]

and to think around page 100 me and catphysician always argued
now were fwends!

[TheCatPhysician]

haha i remember those days


btw atma i just finished 3604free and got $350! i would have got the actual 360 but where i live right now, online gaming is impossible so it wouldn't be as useful. i'll probably get one later though

[atmuh]

high five!
i just finished it too and am giving the 360 to my gf she is very happy

[TheCatPhysician]

gf
hmmm

i should work on getting one of those next

[atmuh]

hmmm

i should work on getting one of those next

make sure she isnt psychotic or you may turn into a cynical internet jerk!

[Xbob42]

Hey! I like time matches!