Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[The Author]

Go play Super Metroid again... (~_~) His skeleton form doesn't fight you... its DEAD!
You should go in for a checkup, your sense of humor is wacked...

[Admiral_C]

That's true... but I'm also right (>.>)

Crocomire doesn't fight you again after you beat him... the wall crumbles down, his skeleton sits there for a second, then it crumbles to the floor.

Unless there's some non-US version of the game, that I haven't played, that includes an extra fight with him, that's how that section goes down.

Alternatively... Friendly Hunter could be making a joke... and in that case, I've totally missed the humor. Oops? (o_0)

[Bleck]

Yeah, not to mention you don't use the Crystal Flash and bombs or whatever someone said earlier to beat him. You just shoot him in the mouth until he falls into the lava.

[megadave]

"You can expect however, to see two of Square's characters, Cecil and Geno. If you need more detail, Cecil is a faster version of Ike, with a different Final Smash, and Geno is a blue Scarecrow from some obscure Mario game that attacks using stars and lazers."

Complete B.S., but Cecil from Final Fantasy 4 would almost make up for the lack of Mega Man. Almost. Either way, it would be awesome.

[Metal_Rich]

I can't wait for this. It's going to be weird having Snake in with all the other characters :lol:.

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Capcom has no part of this game, so those asking for Pheonix Wright and Megaman are out of luck....how the hell would Phoenix Wright work? Poking people in the eye and deafening them by shouting objection?

[Makai]

...how the hell would Phoenix Wright work? Poking people in the eye and deafening them by shouting objection?

Falcon clone, of course. Could be Brawl's "Ganondorf"

[Cavanikus]

well I don't think there are gonna be clones of people this time. Luigi is replaced with Wario Ness is replaced with lucas Jiggly Puff replaced with pokemon trainer maybe but I think Falcon is too popular to be replaced.

[Makai]

well I don't think there are gonna be clones of people this time. Luigi is replaced with Wario Ness is replaced with lucas Jiggly Puff replaced with pokemon trainer maybe but I think Falcon is too popular to be replaced.

Lucas may in fact be replacing Ness, but this is not necessarily the case. A lot of his moves are very different. His smash attacks are different, not having a yo-yo, and it's been revealed that his b-air has the added spike functionality. His special moves, although looking similar, have different effects from the old Ness.

PK Fire goes horizontally in the air, which is a BIG change, opening up his short-hopping game (In melee, you couldn't shffle fire effectively, because the attack wouldn't connect with the opponent). It even LOOKS more powerful.

Also, for some reason, his PSI Magnet is in front of him, instead of completely surrounding him. It's also much bigger than the melee version.

Anyway, it makes no sense for them to have put so much work into making Lucas so very different from Ness if Ness wasn't going to be in. He had a perfectly good moveset before; no reason to rework it so drastically. The same thing applies to Marth and Ike. Marth, or at least his moveset, will return to the game. Sakurai isn't going to waste a perfectly good moveset.

Also, Jigglypuff replacing PT, and Wario replacing Luigi? wtf?

[BeleagueredandBeset]

I rather think Luigi will be staying.

[Makai]

A lot of people seem to think that Sakurai has stated that clones will not return, but this is a lie.

[atmuh]

well I don't think there are gonna be clones of people this time. Luigi is replaced with Wario Ness is replaced with lucas Jiggly Puff replaced with pokemon trainer maybe but I think Falcon is too popular to be replaced.

nintendo would never take luigi out of smash you idiot
the fact that you list him as a clone is hilarious he is nothing like mario

how could the pokemon trainer replace jigglypuff there have always been a few pokemon in each game that makes no sense

jigglypuff is nothing like any other character and is still the best character ever

[Gafgarion]

A good Jigglypuff is a bitch to fight.

[BeleagueredandBeset]

I can live with 'clones,' as long as they are reasonably, noticeably different from their counterparts, and as long as they make SENSE.

If clone characters are to be included, let them at least be from the same game. The Ganondorf thing in Melee was disastrous. It's pretty much a unanimously agreed upon fact that he needs a unique moveset.

I wouldn't call Luigi a clone of Mario. But their similarities are logical, because they are brothers. Furthermore, their differences will be even more prominent this time around because Mario has Fludd as his Down-B. Maybe Luigi will whip out the ol' Poltergust?

[friendlyHunter]

Unless there's some non-US version of the game, that I haven't played, that includes an extra fight with him, that's how that section goes down.

Alternatively... Friendly Hunter could be making a joke... and in that case, I've totally missed the humor. Oops? (o_0)

Oh sorry I must have the Canadian version of Super Metroid. The one with the "controversial" Samus picture at the end. ;-)


(;-) This symbol indicates a wink, in that I am winking a wink which is directed at you ;-) ;-))




I'm pretty much 100% sure Luigi and Falcon are in, 90% sure for Jigglypuff and Ganondorf, 30% for Sheik, 25% for Ness, and, erm.... 10% for Megaman, 2% for Geno.

Of course, these figures are pure speculation. Although I do have VERY convincing evidence that Sakurai rolled a 10 sided die to decide whether or not to include Megaman.

[Bleck]

It was confirmed that Mega Man is not in Brawl about a week or so ago.

[friendlyHunter]

We confirmed in this thread that that "confirmation" from the Megaman guy was not actually a confirmation, but a "playful statement that neither confirms nor denies Megaman's appearance in Brawl".

On that note, Skeleton Crocomire as playable character confirmed.

[Makai]

It was confirmed that Mega Man is not in Brawl about a week or so ago.

Yes, it is unthinkable that the creator of megaman would decide not to reveal his playablity after being told not to by the Smash team and Nintendo. And it's not like the sonic team denied sonic's inclusion prior to his announcement.

[Bleck]

Yeah that is pretty retarded.

And it's not like the sonic team denied sonic's inclusion prior to his announcement.

They never did. All they did was always say 'we don't want to talk about it'.

[Vidilian]

Yeah that is pretty retarded.



They never did. All they did was always say 'we don't want to talk about it'.

No, they actually said this in an IGN interview.

"IGN: Does this pave the way for Sonic and Mario starring together in other games?

Laurent Fischer: We've spent a long time finalising this one and we're not thinking about the next game, just yet. The Olympics just seemed like the right way to bring them together.

IGN: So we won't see Sonic appearing in Super Smash Bros. Brawl?

Laurent Fischer: That's not on the cards at the moment."

Sounds like denial to me.

[atmuh]

for the love of god somebody lock this thread

[cobaltstarfire]

for the love of god somebody lock this thread

If it bothers you so much you could always stop reading it. :P

[Cavanikus]

but that would make sense! It would never work!!

[Bleck]

ignoring bad things is not something that makes sense

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Its all Sakurai n friends' fault for going on vacation. This became a thread that has nothing to do about Brawl

[Scufo]

Makes me wonder how this thread survived during the long information droughts after Brawl was announced.

[friendlyHunter]

Back then this was a thread about Melee, and then someone renamed it. (I think...?)

[Scufo]

Nah, the thread's main purpose was always Brawl. It was made in the hope that the next SSB would be announced at E3. Although yeah, it kinda became an "all things smash" thread for a while.

I just realized this thread has been around for over a year and a half. Holy shit.

[BeleagueredandBeset]

Reading and posting in this thread has been my source of entertainment for a very long time. Don't we start getting updates again on Monday?

[Cavanikus]

wow its been that long since brawl was announced

[RTYPEpilot]

May he burn in that special hell reserved for child molesters and people that talk during theaters.
Awesome show. You win.

[Arek the Absolute]

Reading and posting in this thread has been my source of entertainment for a very long time. Don't we start getting updates again on Monday?

you must live a sad life

[Rambo]

Listen, I know it was and still is completely off topic, but what the hell is this nonsense about crocomire. Crystal flash? Wtf? One battle scene? Wtf? You shoot missiles into his mouth to make him back into the lava. He presumably dies and floats on the current. Then you fight his melty fleshed skeleton. C'est tout. What game are y'all playing?

[Arek the Absolute]

welcome to the internet where everything is serious

[RTYPEpilot]

Are you playing a hacked ROM or something?

I still have both of my carts (Christmas miscommunication), and you only fight him once.
He falls into the acid, his flesh melts, his skeletal remains come back and knock down the spiky wall at the other end of the corridor, end of story.

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I'm just kinda hoping they announce another Newcomer, since there's still one empty spot they could put a character on the Dojo. I won't be surprised if they don't; I just think it'd be a nice way to resume updates.

Would've been a nice way to salute the holidays, too...

[Arek the Absolute]

he was joking you dense idiots

[Rambo]

lawl <( ' - ' )>

[Bigfoot]

Knuckles confirmed (http://www.zombo.com/)

[HershDawg]

Knuckles confirmed (http://www.zombo.com/)

That made me lol.

[Airwalker]

Japanese commercials are out!

Commercial 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hCgbDtarBo
Commercial 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCQyv5MXueY
Commercial 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYB9szyCNK0

[Aninymouse]

Pokemon Trainer is the tits.

[Brithor]

Knuckles confirmed (http://www.zombo.com/)

Ahahah, that's great.

[BeleagueredandBeset]

you must live a sad life

Hahaha, alright, *A* source of entertainment.

Commercials. Sweet deal.

[Scufo]

Funny how they can get away with just showing random gameplay clips followed by a picture of the case for a commercial in Japan. In the US most people would be like wtf is this on my TV? We gotta have live action and whatnot. Or at the very least in-game cutscenes. Y'know, cause they're prettier.

[JCvgluvr]

Thanks Airwalker! You made my day.

So, I'm going to a Melee/Mariokart tourny tomorrow at my library. I don't think I have anything to worry about, do you? I mean, it is just Dubuque, Iowa, after all...

[Linkjing Donuts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPkcMOoqIgI

all of you should shut up and learn from this video

[Global-Trance]

Thanks Airwalker! You made my day.

So, I'm going to a Melee/Mariokart tourny tomorrow at my library. I don't think I have anything to worry about, do you? I mean, it is just Dubuque, Iowa, after all...


Nope.

Unless that was posted on Smashboards, you probably won't even see halfway decent people there.

Also, is that a Metroid I see in commercial 2 at about 22 seconds? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCQyv5MXueY

[Arek the Absolute]

combine with mother brain assist trophy and samus gets hyper beam

[JCvgluvr]

Yeah, I'm not too worried. I wouldn't have even seen its add in my newspaper unless my friend hadn't pointed it out to me in class. So hopefully, none of the good smash players from around here will have even gotten that far. Not only that, but there's a more serious tournament going on in Des Moines today, so they might not even be in town!

In the best case scenario, I'll be surrounded by n00bie 10 year olds who just use Bowser and Roy, and I'll take 1st place easy!

I'm just wondering how exactly I should train...Since this likely doesn't even have a hint of professionalism, should I even bother training in 4-stock, no item matches on Fountain of Dreams? For all I know, they'll be using 2-min, normal item matches or something!

Also, my main is C. Falcon. Got any specific tips?

[Scufo]

Also, is that a Metroid I see in commercial 2 at about 22 seconds? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCQyv5MXueY

Definitely looks like one. If it is, I'm wondering why it's huge, almost stationary, and blasts players upon touching it.

[Gafgarion]

From the video i saw, the hyper blast only does like 40%. Now, from that being said, it still is a whip-ass attack, but I thought it would just be an instant KO.

[RTYPEpilot]

Definitely looks like one. If it is, I'm wondering why it's huge, almost stationary, and blasts players upon touching it.
It is a metroid, no mistake.
I had to watch it a few times, but the flash that's visible right next to the metroid is Zelda's lightning kick. Right after that, Yoshi KO's Zelda—watch the icons for the score—so I don't think the metroid really gets to do anything other than make its presence known. The metroid assist just latches onto characters and incrementally incurs damage like the Lip's Stick flower; as it should be.

Metroids FTW.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Metroids are supposed to be that big. They made them smaller in the Prime games.

[TDKenyon]

What is everyone's overall thoughts on assist trophies and the new funky items like Dragoon?

Me, I'm not yet sure if I'm going to like them. SSB has always been enjoyable to me because of its simple nature. We'll see though, the dev team seems like they could pull it off really well.

[atmuh]

What is everyone's overall thoughts on assist trophies and the new funky items like Dragoon?

Me, I'm not yet sure if I'm going to like them. SSB has always been enjoyable to me because of its simple nature. We'll see though, the dev team seems like they could pull it off really well.

as soon as i turn the game on the first thing im doing is turning all items off

[Brithor]

What is everyone's overall thoughts on assist trophies and the new funky items like Dragoon?

Me, I'm not yet sure if I'm going to like them. SSB has always been enjoyable to me because of its simple nature. We'll see though, the dev team seems like they could pull it off really well.

Turn them off?

[#Az]

Assist trophies? Awesome. Basically like Pokéballs to me but with more scope for cameos, which is what Smash Bros. is about for me as an individual universe conceptually.

As for things like the Dragoon? I don't know. It looks cool, but fighting over items like that, collecting them for the long term... I agree with you. The past two games have not been bad. I just don't know. I'm not even so sure I'm too hot about Smash Balls.

[Brithor]

as soon as i turn the game on the first thing im doing is turning all items off

So you won't even give them a little chance?
Test them for a match or two? Maybe you like them more than you think.

[RTYPEpilot]

For the most part, I think Sora Ltd. will do a good job, as they're being led by Sakurai-san, the original Smash director. He knows what the game is all about. It's basically his game.
I'm sure anything that someone finds undesirable can be turned off or avoided altogether.

[atmuh]

So you won't even give them a little chance?
Test them for a match or two? Maybe you like them more than you think.

no .

[Brithor]

no .

You are so predictable, lol.

I think Assists Trophies will be a grea addition, souped up pokebolas, awesome.

[HideousBeing]

no .Win. I'm with you.

[Triad Orion]

Not to start the whole "item" debate/bullcrap again, but I'm actually looking forward to messing around with every toy they give me in the game. The more chaos, the better, in my opinion.

And I do love the idea of assist trophies. Great fun can be had with these. Can't wait to try them and the other stuff out.

[TDKenyon]

I'm sure I'll try it, but I'll probably end up turning them off.

[Gafgarion]

In serious matches, I will end up turning off assist trophies and (maybe) smash balls. But, just playing around, those things will be turned up.

[Bleck]

Anyone who tries to tell me to turn off Smash Balls will be banned from playing with me forever

[atmuh]

Anyone who tries to tell me to turn off Smash Balls will be banned from playing with me forever

i am bammed

[Gafgarion]

Dude, the smash balls are badass.

[friendlyHunter]

Haha, I was reading the Metroid page on wikipedia (don't ask), and, well... the last line caught me by surprise.

Also introduced in Super Metroid was a musical theme that played during several boss battles (which some say sounded like something of a sinister remix of the theme music to the 1966 television show, Mission: Impossible).[19] Despite being used for other bosses, the theme became particularly associated with Ridley, and has been featured solely during all the subsequent battles against him.
Ridley is in Super smash bros brawl.

I just thought that was pretty funny. Are there a bunch of people who go around putting fake Brawl info in Wikipedia all day? I'll bet there's a bunch of poor souls who go around REMOVING fake Brawl info from wikipedia all day =P
Hah, the guy didn't even capitalize the name of the game ^_^

[I-n-j-i-n]

The wikipedia page is so overbloated... sort of like this thread... Do you really need at least a hundred references linked to it?

[Linkjing Donuts]

Dude, the smash balls are badass.
hahaha smash balls

[RobotNinjaHornets]

The wikipedia page is so overbloated... sort of like this thread... Do you really need at least a hundred references linked to it?
Of course you do, what strange world do you live in where you don't care if some obvious bit of information is true?! I sure wouldn't like to live there! :evil:

[TDKenyon]

Whether I like the new items or not, I strongly believe SSBB is going to be a very well-made game and will definitively be as good, if not better, than the classic.

[Gafgarion]

Well, I like SSBM more than the classic, due to it being faster paced, and more technical skills and whatever. And SSBB will probably be the same pace, but x3 and more pwnage.

[Aninymouse]

Brawl is in between the speed of SSB and SSBM, with a good amount of "floatiness."

I don't think it can be described as "fast-paced" in light of Melee.

[TDKenyon]

I'm pretty happy about that. SSB was a little too slow, and SSBM was a little too fast. I am just so excited for this freaking game.

[Bleck]

more technical skills

More like glitch glitch glitch

[RTYPEpilot]

I don't know where he said it, but I think Sakurai said the pace wouldn't be as fast as Melee. Oh, I think it was more that he said certain things will be easier to do, like catching items.
That's probably a good thing, in general. They probably did that partly to make it more accessible, which coincides with Nintendo's continuing gaming trend. However, I still think they're intentionally packing in as much [too much] into the game so it's still too deep for any one person to become a real pro at it for some time.
I do hope they fix all the glitches from Melee. A level field is a good field.

On the Smash Ball thing: If I do end up turning off items—which probably won't be for a while as they look really fun—I will most likely be keeping Smash Balls enabled, as I don't really consider them a pure item. They enable more attacks, changes in strategy, chaos; and besides, as far as we know, ZS Samus won't be available without using the Smash Ball. :)!!

[cobaltstarfire]

I kind of don't like the gimicky bits, like having to get a smash ball to use ZSS (Unless there is a way to use her that doesn't require that). I mean, it's interesting-ish at first, but it seems really limiting in the long run.

[TDKenyon]

Hopefully Zero Suit will also be available as an alt. costume, like Dark Link or Fusion Suit.

[atmuh]

i dont like that it will be slower pace
melee had the speed perfect

[Steben]

Hopefully Zero Suit will also be available as an alt. costume, like Dark Link or Fusion Suit.

I'm unconvinced that you could consider Zero Suit Samus as an alternate costume. I consider her to be more of a transformation, such as Zelda/Shiek.

Prediction: There will be some button combination/option that allows you to start as Zero Suit Samus, similar to Zelda/Shiek's Down+A combo in Melee.

[TDKenyon]

They have stated that Zero Suit Samus will be no different from regular Samus. This is not the case with Zelda/Shiek, as they different attacks and are, essentially, different characters.

I honestly see Zero Suit Samus as no different from Fusion Suit Samus.

[The Mutericator]

They have stated that Zero Suit Samus will be no different from regular Samus. This is not the case with Zelda/Shiek, as they different attacks and are, essentially, different characters.

I honestly see Zero Suit Samus as no different from Fusion Suit Samus.

Complete bullshit. I'm gonna call sauce on this and until then, ZSS is completely different.

Here, I'll even counter-sauce you right now:

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/zerosuit_samus.html

Normal Samus has NONE of those moves.

[atmuh]

They have stated that Zero Suit Samus will be no different from regular Samus. This is not the case with Zelda/Shiek, as they different attacks and are, essentially, different characters.

I honestly see Zero Suit Samus as no different from Fusion Suit Samus.

"When Samus destroys her Power Suit, she’s left with the Zero Suit. What she’s lost in power and weaponry, she makes up for in speed!

Once she turns that Paralyzer in her hand into a whip, she has quite a long reach as well! Not exactly the straightforward fight you thought it was, huh?"

where is anything the same

[RTYPEpilot]

I'm unconvinced that you could consider Zero Suit Samus as an alternate costume. I consider her to be more of a transformation, such as Zelda/Shiek.

Prediction: There will be some button combination/option that allows you to start as Zero Suit Samus, similar to Zelda/Shiek's Down+A combo in Melee.
Before the Dojo began to make regular updates, the initial page for ZSS listed her as, in fact, a transformation. That being said, I do hope that there is a way to begin a match in that form that'd be cool.
That also makes me wonder if there's a way to return to [Varia] Suit Samus, without being KO'd.

[TDKenyon]

You return to normal samus after another smash attack, I read. I believe it was on the Dojo.

[Steben]

Before the Dojo began to make regular updates, the initial page for ZSS listed her as, in fact, a transformation. That being said, I do hope that there is a way to begin a match in that form that'd be cool.
That also makes me wonder if there's a way to return to [Varia] Suit Samus, without being KO'd.

I think I remember hearing ZSS's Final Smash turns her back into normal Samus.

EDIT: Beat to the punch! D:

[Infinity's End]

Before the Dojo began to make regular updates, the initial page for ZSS listed her as, in fact, a transformation. That being said, I do hope that there is a way to begin a match in that form that'd be cool.
That also makes me wonder if there's a way to return to [Varia] Suit Samus, without being KO'd.

Yes, there is. When 1up.com gave it's coverage, they told what happens when ZS Samus gets the Smash Ball-- she does Crystal Flash and gets her suit back. It is unknown if it hurts your players or gives you health, but that's what happens when ZS gets a smash ball.

All I can say is, after playing DBZ Tenkaichi Budokai 3 online, if SSBB is even slightly as bad as this game is online (where games move at about 1fps) then it's gonna suck. REALLY bad. like sickeningly disgustingly make-you-want-to-throw-up and never play again bad.

[atmuh]

you can only use 1 final smash per match

so yeah stop reading fake info


dbz has server problems and the dont care enough to fix them
the lag shouldnt be nearly as bad



also
(4:37:35 AM) EazyP: it's so hyped
(4:37:41 AM) EazyP: like I've never been this excited for a game
(4:37:46 AM) EazyP: it's not possible to be more excited
(4:38:00 AM) ff3atmaweapon: you're so excited you're gonna have GAY SEX
(4:38:04 AM) ff3atmaweapon: I know I am
(4:38:07 AM) EazyP: no
(4:38:09 AM) EazyP: no gay sex
(4:38:10 AM) EazyP: none
(4:38:13 AM) ff3atmaweapon: well
(4:38:21 AM) ff3atmaweapon: then you could be more excited!

[mattycat900]

You can use multiple final smashes in one match. If you've watched any videos you've seen zero suit samus turn back into samus.

[RTYPEpilot]

It doesn't say anything about her changing back on the Dojo. Don't remember it saying anything about that anyway...
Any link for that 1UP article? I'm curious.

I've been refraining from watching anything. I want to surprised by as much as possible. More fun for me that way.

[mattycat900]

look at 0:48

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pzBZjbBFrdo

She goes back into her suit, case closed.

[Rambo]

man, TDKenyon mustn't have known about Smash Dojo. And if he did then lawl.

[TDKenyon]

I love the music in that video. I would love to play to it.

Why do you say I musn't have known about the Dojo? I've been checking regularly since the very begining.

[RTYPEpilot]

I couldn't resist. Cool vid. Thanks.

[TDKenyon]

I also revoke my statement about ZSS being nothing more than a costume change. After re-reading info about her on the Dojo (I ignored most if it, I'm not a Samus fan), she does indeed have a few alternative moves and is faster+less powerful than normal Samus.

[Rambo]

I also revoke my statement about ZSS being nothing more than a costume change. After re-reading info about her on the Dojo (I ignored most if it, I'm not a Samus fan), she does indeed have a few alternative moves and is faster+less powerful than normal Samus.

This is why I said you mustn't have know. ;-)

[TDKenyon]

Haha that doesn't make sense, but it doesn't matter. If it's because of my comment on the music - I remember hearing the music from the first video ever on Dojo, I just wanted to put my opinion on it since I'm new to the thread.

I don't wanna fight with anyone, so let's start a new conversation topic. What hasn't been overkilled in this thread yet?

[Rambo]

Haha that doesn't make sense, but it doesn't matter. If it's because of my comment on the music - I remember hearing the music from the first video ever on Dojo, I just wanted to put my opinion on it since I'm new to the thread.

I don't wanna fight with anyone, so let's start a new conversation topic. What hasn't been overkilled in this thread yet?

Fight? No no. No fights here. I just thought you didn't know about dojo because you thought zero suit and regular samus were the same. And nothing but contrary things are posted in it. No aggressive fighting attitude was intended. ;-)

as for topics yet overkilled... uh.. the only thing I can think of is the different game physics and universal movement this time around.

[#Az]

Enlighten me.

I actually don't know what's changed in that regard.

And some new information would overshadow my worries about the game's speed. SSB is too slow. No question. But I personally don't find Melee to be too fast, and I'm not sure how I'm going to like anything slower...

[Rambo]

Enlighten me.

I actually don't know what's changed in that regard.

And some new information would overshadow my worries about the game's speed. SSB is too slow. No question. But I personally don't find Melee to be too fast, and I'm not sure how I'm going to like anything slower...

I don't know what has changed either. Thats why I was hoping people would discuss. I heard that they changed physics engines. I also heard that momentum in running physics were modified and dodging as well (and consequently no WD). I don't know about the games speed yet, but it doesn't look much different. And what is with everyones ability to crawl now?

[RTYPEpilot]

The crawling also caught my eye when they first showed it... It does have some strategic qualities, I suppose.

With the physics changes, I still think they're trying to level the learning curve to allow more people to try the game. Nintendo says they're trying to encourage more people to play games, so as I've speculated before, that may be part of the reason for things like a hinted elimination of physics anomalies like wavedashing.

One change that I thought was a bit extreme, was the walk-n-shoot ability. It just seems like something that'd be very abusable. Now if you can also jump while shooting, that'd be really scary. :dstrbd:

[Critical Hit]

The crawling also caught my eye when they first showed it... It does have some strategic qualities, I suppose.

With the physics changes, I still think they're trying to level the learning curve to allow more people to try the game. Nintendo says they're trying to encourage more people to play games, so as I've speculated before, that may be part of the reason for things like a hinted elimination of physics anomalies like wavedashing.

One change that I thought was a bit extreme, was the walk-n-shoot ability. It just seems like something that'd be very abusable. Now if you can also jump while shooting, that'd be really scary. :dstrbd:

...couldn't you ALWAYS jump while shooting??

[RTYPEpilot]

Hah! Yeah, you're right. I usually always throw most items I get at opponents, including the shooting items.

So yeah... Scary. :dstrbd:

[JCvgluvr]

So, I'm back from the Library tourny.

Just as I suspected, the only competition was a bunch of n00bie 10 year olds. Mariokart went the best. I won both races I did. I used Yoshi and Paratroopa. I even fell into the piranha plant pit (in dry dry desert), yet I still was far in the lead! I almost got second in the last race, but I got a red shell just in time. Then I hit a car, but was lucky because it was a mushroom car. Grabbed the mushroom that fell out, and jetted straight into the finish line!

Melee went almost as well. I got second on Yoshi's story with Falcon. One time I dodged in midair, and slid way out to the side, and thus, fell to my death.

Finally, we went to Hyrule Temple, and I was Link. After a long, drawn out match, it was just me and a Sheik. We went back and forth, him using needles, and me trying to dive on top of him with my sword. We got down to our last lives. He was at 50% and I was at 170%. I was pretty much boned, so I hid down below the level in desperation! Finally, when Sheik dove down towards me, I hit him with a foward A move. He flew from it, and then I up B'd him.

I won.

Now, I have to keep going back every 1st sunday of the month until April. Then, hopefully, I can claim 1st prize: An iPod Nano and a videogame store gift certificate.

I really can't wait to do this kind of stuff with Brawl and Mariokart Wii!

[Arek the Absolute]

Hyrule temple? And they called that a tourny?

Oh dear...

[RTYPEpilot]

So? I've been to one where they were using Rainbow Ride.
Besides... Players was n00bz.

[Arek the Absolute]

not that this is a shock to anyone, but you are officially retarded

[atmuh]

So? I've been to one where they were using Rainbow Ride.
Besides... Players was n00bz.

rainbow ride is not banned

[Bleck]

the tourneys around my house are all levels and items at max, all thanks to my efforts

[The Author]

rainbow ride is not banned

People who ban stages are scared of being in that specific stage.

[atmuh]

People who ban stages are scared of being in that specific stage.

actually its a matter of the outcome of the match being a product of complete skill rather than any kind of luck

[Bleck]

actually its a matter of the outcome of the match being a product of complete skill rather than any kind of luck

Taking out the luck is what changes a game from fun to a 'my gamedick is bigger than your gamedick' contest

[RTYPEpilot]

not that this is a shock to anyone, but you are officially retarded
Not that this is a shock to anyone, but you're a troll.
I also said nothing about it being banned, as you can clearly read.

[Eulogic]

People who ban stages are scared of being in that specific stage.

heh cool so i guess you don't know anything about smash bros

[Arek the Absolute]

Not that this is a shock to anyone, but you're a troll.
I also said nothing about it being banned, as you can clearly read.

ahhahahah
you are funny
lurk the fuck more and stop posting so much

[The Author]

heh cool so i guess you don't know anything about smash bros
I know it's a fun game and that skills can overcome luck any time.

[Bleck]

Not that this is a shock to anyone, but you're a troll.
I also said nothing about it being banned, as you can clearly read.

People who call people trolls are trolls

Lurk moar

[atmuh]

i find it comical that i am not the one constantly called a troll now
WII ONLINE SUCKS!

[Arek the Absolute]

constantly?

:(

[atmuh]

hugs and kisses!

[Eulogic]

I know it's a fun game and that skills can overcome luck any time.

Read up on why certain stages are actually banned and you will see that it is not so black and white.

[The Derrit]

atma you're our favorite because despite all your trolling you're still endearing. that's the big difference.

[RTYPEpilot]

ahhahahah
you are funny
lurk the fuck more and stop posting so much
'Cause that's how message boards work.

[Scufo]

See that post right there demonstrates why you need to lurk more.

[!Nekko!]

Guys, he's getting better. He's not making 4 posts in a row anymore.

[TDKenyon]

Can I say lurk more now?

Omg who is your favorite Smash Bros character?

[RTYPEpilot]

Start talking about Smash and I might consider it.

[TDKenyon]

My favorite character is Kirby or Jigglypuff. I'm one of the guys who likes to float around a lot and hates dying from falling.

[atmuh]

your idiocy is hilarious
yes im talking to both of you

[TDKenyon]

RTYPE and I, or RTYPE and Arek? If it's me, yeah, I know Kirby and 'Puff are lame chars.

[Global-Trance]

With Brawl so close, I can't help but reminded of all the overzealous "Man. [Insert Character Here] is SO going to be my main" exclamations going around.

That is so dumb.

When Melee was coming out, I'm sure there were plenty of "Man. Bowser is SO going to be my main."

Look how horrible that turned out... (unless you're Gimpyfish)

[TDKenyon]

Haha I completely agree. I didn't mean for my question to be taken as future chars, I meant the Smash Bros series thus far.

[Effector]

With Brawl so close, I can't help but reminded of all the overzealous "Man. [Insert Character Here] is SO going to be my main" exclamations going around.

That is so dumb.

When Melee was coming out, I'm sure there were plenty of "Man. Bowser is SO going to be my main."

Look how horrible that turned out... (unless you're Gimpyfish)

Well, that only holds true if you're talking about a main for competitively playing. For example, I would never take Bowser to a tourney, but for a fun game with friends, I would use him, sure. I don't think myself able to tell the "top-tier" characters at this point, but I know that Wario looks hilarious to play as.

Still, when I get my hands on the game for the first time, I think I'm going to be playing my first match with Dedede - just because he looks fun to play as. Who knows what his chances are for competitive play.

[!Nekko!]

I supposed there is a possibility of Sonic being a new character that I might use more often than others, but I will not know for sure as Brawl has not been released yet.

[TDKenyon]

I supposed there is a possibility of Sonic being a new character that I might use more often than others, but I will not know for sure as Brawl has not been released yet.

Surely you don't mean that you're not sure if Sonic is a new character.

[RTYPEpilot]

I think he just means a character that he tries out.
I'll probably try him out too, just for fun.
Pit too. He looks like cool character.
Mostly, I'm looking forward to Samus' new (actual) shininess.

Also, levels were mentioned earlier. Why exactly is Temple not used for tournaments, when Rainbow Cruise is comprised of platforms that appear/disappear?
I'd say Temple is more straightforward, albeit large. Brinstar Depths rotates; so what?
I've also discovered that certain characters seem to have advantages/disadvantages on certain levels, so it seems to me like whoever decided what levels made a "true" tournament were a bit biased.

[TDKenyon]

Since we're on the topic of who we're looking most forward to, my choice is Pokemon Trainer.

[Zombie]

I am looking forward to pit, but I think I will stick with trusty ol' link most of the time. ;)

[Bleck]

When Melee was coming out, I said I would claim Dr. Mario as my main character. And I did. And he's still my best.

This time around I'm going for either Lucas or Dedede, whoever I like more.

[Global-Trance]

What I mean is that nobody knows who they will enjoy playing the most, whether it's competitive or just for fun. Thus why it's stupid to pick so early.

[Bleck]

I am pretty sure I will enjoy playing as Lucas and Dedede seeing as though they are basically my favorite characters from any game ever.

[JCvgluvr]

I think he just means a character that he tries out.
I'll probably try him out too, just for fun.
Pit too. He looks like cool character.
Mostly, I'm looking forward to Samus' new (actual) shininess.

Also, levels were mentioned earlier. Why exactly is Temple not used for tournaments, when Rainbow Cruise is comprised of platforms that appear/disappear?
I'd say Temple is more straightforward, albeit large. Brinstar Depths rotates; so what?
I've also discovered that certain characters seem to have advantages/disadvantages on certain levels, so it seems to me like whoever decided what levels made a "true" tournament were a bit biased.

Eh, I think its because people can just lurk in the bottom part with ridiculously high % and stay alive. After all, that's how I won! I wouldn't have had a chance against Sheik otherwise.

I'm going to start as Mario, and probably use him every so often after that. That's how I do it in Melee. I think it will introduce me to Brawl's new physics, stages and items quite well.

[Strike911]

... pick so early.

I want to main Solid Snake just because everyone I know, knows how much of a Metal Gear freak I am. It's a natural fit. I'll try my best to get good with him regardless of whether he sucks or not. :P Of course, I'm half-joking. I would love to play Snake, and if fate so has it, I will providing I can do anything at all with him. It will be hard not to backslide to my old Melee character. I guess we get an update tonight too. That's exciting. That was a pretty weird week without my Brawl goodness.

We're nearly to the one-month waiting point! How exciting!

[TDKenyon]

Woo, updates resume today!

[RTYPEpilot]

I know what you mean about the Temple. I just think it's pretty boring that most of the stages used are all flat with very little variation. If someone is really good, they should be able to win on any type of stage.

[Airwalker]

Woo, updates resume today!

I predict: How to save! "Wow, we really loved the feature where you could save in Melee. And we're bringing it back! You can even access your saved files..."

[atmuh]

why the BALLS are they bringing back all the crap

[Bleck]

I swear to fucking jesus if they don't bring back poke floats

[Scufo]

Bringing back a whole buttload of Melee stages, eh? Corneria, Brinstar, and Onett, good. Others not so good.

[TDKenyon]

I've never been a fan of the moving stages like Poke Floats or Rainbow Cruise. They're very cool levels, I just don't like playing on the,

[Red Shadow]

onett's reinclusion leaves me with good feelings

[atmuh]

onett's reinclusion leaves me with good feelings

as good as earthbound was every earthbound stage has been horrible

[TDKenyon]

Onnett was a fun map. I love when a buddy is smug up on top of an awning and it falls right as a car passes by, nuking him right off the map.
I didn't really mind the other one with the UFO and helicopter pad. The UFO was kinda lame, though.

[friendlyHunter]

Someone must realize that these stages are going to play completely differently in Brawl than they did in Melee, right? They've undoubtedly removed the things that made these stages bad (or, worse than they could have been).

I didn't like Rainbow Cruise because of the ridiculously high gravity in Melee, and because several of the characters (such as Kibry) can't move horizontally fast enough to escape the screen scrolling. In Brawl I can see this being an extremely fun stage (especially the dangerous parts!)

I hated Yoshi's Island because Melee characters can't fight on sloped surfaces, and the high gravity and several other factors make the hole in the center kill you (and by "you" I mean "me") instantly without warning. Now it looks like it'll be one of the more fun and interesting stages, with destructible floors that will actually effect gameplay =)

And let's not forget Corneria, where both players being in the air makes the camera pan up so far that you can't see where the ground is, the ground that you're about to LAND ON in a quarter of a second (or, er, NOT land on and subsequently die). That, coupled with getting shot with ships that were never on the screen, and the sloped ground, made it a pretty lousy stage. Hopefully it's now back to its SSB64 glory!! ^_^ (or, at least a smaller version of it...)

And Brinstar wasn't that great because it was too small... but now half of the stages in Brawl are that size, it's not so small anymore =D


[Edit]

I love when a buddy is smug up on top of an awning and it falls right as a car passes by, nuking him right off the map.

Lol I read "awning" as "arwing" about 5 times before I read it correctly... you had me really confused!

On that note, I liked the part in the Brinstar level where you could ride Skeleton Crocomire.

[Red Shadow]

as good as earthbound was every earthbound stage has been horrible
thats not even what im talking about and you know it

[friendlyHunter]

Ahh, *those* "good feelings"......




.... you're talking about Ness, right?

[Hum4n After All]

Rainbow Ride?
Okay.

[TDKenyon]

To be honest I never played much SSBM. I beat the game, got all the characters and stages, and that's it. I never played any tourneys with friends or anything. Kind of a shame.

[RTYPEpilot]

I like that they also brought back Brinstar, but I wonder if that rules out the possibility of another updated version, like in Melee.
If it does, I suppose Norfair and Orpheon are a good start.
I always thought Crateria or the Bio Lab Station from Fusion could be pretty interesting new stages.

What other new/old stages would anyone like to see...?

Yeah, Sakurai did mention that they wouldn't be exactly like their Melee incarnations. Hopefully they have been altered for the best.

[TDKenyon]

Ahh, *those* "good feelings"......
.... you're talking about Ness, right?
Wait, is Ness's inclusion not guaranteed? It wouldn't even be SSB without Ness! He's a hardcore classic, even if he was the last unlockable in SSB.

Woo, 50th post.

[Rambo]

I swear to fucking jesus if they don't bring back poke floats

No, theyre modifying it to include all 796 pokemans for viewing pleasure in 99 stock matches.

[TDKenyon]

No, theyre modifying it to include all 796 pokemans for viewing pleasure in 99 stock matches.
That would actually be wicked cool, just for show.

Has anyone speculated on a Street Fighter character being unlockable? Not an SF fan myself, but meh.

[Steben]

Ahh, *those* "good feelings"......




.... you're talking about Ness, right?

I'm talking about Ness, anyway.

I love the character too much. Retool him all you like, in fact, I really hope they change up his special moves so he'll actually be like his character in Earthbound. (That goes double for you, Ganondorf.) Just don't pass over him completely! D-:

[atmuh]

thats not even what im talking about and you know it

hes not coming back and you know it

[Red Shadow]

hes not coming back and you know it
shut up man you know all about earthbound fans and their knack for hope

[Bleck]

shut up man you know all about earthbound fans and their knack for hope

I seriously do hope that Ness is still in and Duster is an AT and Giygas is a boss

Has anyone speculated on a Street Fighter character being unlockable? Not an SF fan myself, but meh.

Ryu was my next guess for a character after Mega Man.

[TDKenyon]

I'm still surprised about Mega Man. That motherfucker had 6 games on the NES. How is he not worthy of joining the Brawl?

[Arek the Absolute]

because nintendo is like no
who cares wait for the game to come out he might be in it

[atmuh]

I'm still surprised about Mega Man. That motherfucker had 6 games on the NES. How is he not worthy of joining the Brawl?

SHUT UP

[TDKenyon]

because nintendo is like no
who cares wait for the game to come out he might be in it
Pfft I don't care, I never played a MegaMan game in my life. I don't really care who is or isn't in Brawl. I like Kirby.

[!Nekko!]

I'm glad to see Onett back. That stage and my Captain Falcon's knee make great love sex.
Also, I call it "Oh-Knee" for the reason stated above.

[Arek the Absolute]

Pfft I don't care, I never played a MegaMan game in my life. I don't really care who is or isn't in Brawl. I like Kirby.

THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU ASK WHY HE ISNT IN IT

you noobs are so wishwashy

[atmuh]

silly goose

[Strike911]

ughh.... Brinstar. I don't think I know anyone that enjoys playing that level (especially when compared to other levels). Maybe we can get some more cool Metroid levels now that the rising acid stuff is taken care of...

[TDKenyon]

I didn't ask why he wasn't. I remarked on how I was surprised that a very popular, classic Nintendo character wasn't in the third installment. My only question was rhetorical to further remark on how he is probably worthy of being in. You guys get angry!

[atmuh]

classic Nintendo character

you really dont understand what a third party is do you

[I-n-j-i-n]

ughh.... Brinstar. I don't think I know anyone that enjoys playing that level (especially when compared to other levels). Maybe we can get some more cool Metroid levels now that the rising acid stuff is taken care of...

Huh... just about everyone I know who ever played SSBM in person loved Brinstar. The chaos of it all. I guess some tourney-tards who aim for purity (as in something like 'four flat stages with no effects') would certainly dislike it. I think this game needs more chaotic stages to actually feel like a "Smash Brothers" game.

[atmuh]

Huh... just about everyone I know who ever played SSBM in person loved Brinstar. The chaos of it all. I guess some tourney-tards who aim for purity (as in something like 'four flat stages with no effects') would certainly dislike it. I think this game needs more chaotic stages to actually feel like a "Smash Brothers" game.

it has enough chaotic stages it needs a few more neutral ones

[Smoke39]

Brinstar is one of the few chaotic stages that I actually like. Especially because everyone I know hates it, and I'm a jerk like that.

[TDKenyon]

you really dont understand what a third party is do you
I do, but Sonic is in Brawl, and he didn't appear on Nintendo until Game Cube, IIRC and the same applies to Solid Snake. I am at fault for saying "classic Nintendo" character if the definition of "classic Nintendo" characters are restricted to having been published by Nintendo.

Again, I was only trying to express my surprise that MegaMan, who has been appearing on Nintendo consoles for over two decades, has not been included in Brawl at this point. I have no feelings on whether he should or should not be included, just surprise. And mild surprise at that.

[CSmith]

I do, but Sonic is in Brawl, and he didn't appear on Nintendo until Game Cube, IIRC and the same applies to Solid Snake.

Solid Snake was on the NES.

[The Author]

IIRC and the same applies to Solid Snake.


WRONG!

Snake was on some games that were on the NES.

As for Sonic, it's the classic recess argument about which is the best between Sonic and Mario.

[atmuh]

mega man is a classic capcom character stop saying hes classic nintendo you are completely wrong

[Raziellink]

I like Brinstar :3

[RobotNinjaHornets]

mega man is a classic capcom character stop saying hes classic nintendo you are completely wrong
He DID only say it once...please don't kill me...:puppyeyes:

[The Author]

Instead of being "surprised" that a third party character does not appear in a game previously restricted to first and second party characters, you should be happy that Snake and Sonic appear. We may or may not get a third one, and they may or may not be lying about Megaman, just you know, to keep some surprises in the game.

And I'm sure that by April, EGM is gonna have the exact instructions on how to unlock megaman...

[Drack]

More Melee Stages, eh?

I wish they chose other stages to represent in the update. I don't know anyone who likes Brinstar. Also, I have a friend who HATES melee's corneria because it's smaller relative to the characters than 64's sector Z. Looks like that hasn't changed for Brawl's obligatory great fox stage.

[Scufo]

And I'm sure that by April, EGM is gonna have the exact instructions on how to unlock megaman...
More like internet by Jan. 27, and for every character.

EDIT: Also I like Brinstar. I wouldn't choose it over, say, Fountain of Dreams given the choice, but it's a hell of a lot better than some other stages.

[Neo Samus]

More like internet by Jan. 27, and for every character.

EDIT: Also I like Brinstar. I wouldn't choose it over, say, Fountain of Dreams given the choice, but it's a hell of a lot better than some other stages.

I think you missed RD's joke there. :wink:

ontopic: Wow, a lot of hate for brinstar. I love playing that stage. With a lot of Melee stages returning I think there is a good chance that we might see a lof of 64 stages returning as well. At lesat I hope they do.

[Steben]

More like internet by Jan. 27, and for every character.

EDIT: Also I like Brinstar. I wouldn't choose it over, say, Fountain of Dreams given the choice, but it's a hell of a lot better than some other stages.

I think RD was thinking more along the lines of April 1st...

[Red Shadow]

Brinstar is one of the few chaotic stages that I actually like. Especially because everyone I know hates it, and I'm a jerk like that.
pretty much the reason i like Big Blue

[TDKenyon]

mega man is a classic capcom character stop saying hes classic nintendo you are completely wrong
I said it once, then I specifically said I was wrong.

[megadave]

Mega Man is a classic capcom character and he was born and raised on the good ol' NES. It's a damn shame that he couldn't fit in on the roster and I still want to cry because of his absence. Of course, in this world, there is a limit to how awesome things can get. If Mega Man were added to Brawl, it would exceed the awesomeness meter of reality and the universe would cease to exist (Mega Man, Sonic, Snake, and all of those Ninty guys? Not in this dimension!). Thus it cannot happen. Still, I am shaken with grief.

[TDKenyon]

We have established he is not classic nintendo and that his is classic capcom. All done =].
What are anyone's thoughts on the Fire Emblem games? I haven't played them and didn't play with Marth or Roy.

[Triad Orion]

All I know is Rainbow Ride's return makes me happy. Despite that a lot of people don't like forced scrolling, I really liked that stage. Wasn't too surprised about Corneria. Though the one that had me going "WTF" was Brinstar, which in my experience was not popular at all, though glancing at this board seems to have proven me wrong. I was kind of neutral toward it. But anyway.

Megadave's right on the issue of Mega Man. He's seen a huge amount of action on Nintendo consoles, so that's why he's desired by many as a candidate, third party or no. Personally, I'd like to see him, but if he's not there, whatever, y'know? We have Sonic and Snake, and that's damn lucky enough as it is.

[Eulogic]

I rarely use Marth or Roy, but not because I've never played their games. I just don't like their style of play that much.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

pretty much the reason i like Big Blue
And pretty much the same reason I like Brinstar Depths

[atmuh]

big blue is fun but holy balls brinstar depths is horrible

[eternal Zero]

The only level I really say I dislike is Flat Zone...it's just too small. The moving ones are fine by me, if you can't handle them, well then you've got another skill to work on as far as I'm concerned.

[Gafgarion]

Mega Man is a classic capcom character and he was born and raised on the good ol' NES. It's a damn shame that he couldn't fit in on the roster and I still want to cry because of his absence. Of course, in this world, there is a limit to how awesome things can get. If Mega Man were added to Brawl, it would exceed the awesomeness meter of reality and the universe would cease to exist (Mega Man, Sonic, Snake, and all of those Ninty guys? Not in this dimension!). Thus it cannot happen. Still, I am shaken with grief.

You know, I thought about if Mega man would be in Brawl. Yes, it would be overy awesome, but if you look at it, it would kind of be another Samus. MMX over Samus though.

[Dexie]

You know, I thought about if Mega man would be in Brawl. Yes, it would be overy awesome, but if you look at it, it would kind of be another Samus. MMX over Samus though.

I still don't see why people say Mega Man would be a Samus clone.

Other than the charge shot, there would be no similarities in their moves. I mean, Mewtwo had a charge shot and he wasn't considered to be another Samus, right? :P

[megadave]

You know, I thought about if Mega man would be in Brawl. Yes, it would be overy awesome, but if you look at it, it would kind of be another Samus. MMX over Samus though.

I don't see any similarities between the two besides the ability to charge their guns. Mega Man's short jump is a far cry from Samus' slow-motion flipping jump. Mega Man increases speed by sliding (or dashing for post-classic Mega Man) while Samus simply runs. Their attacks and abilities are also way different. I also think that Mega Man would not have to stop to charge his buster. After that, factor in Mega Man's copycat abilities and his dog, Rush. Then factor in the various abilities of the kajillions of bosses he's stolen which would actually make it into Brawl had Inafune begged Sakurai.

In other words, I have no idea on why the two are compared so often. Yet, for some reason, I would love to see a battle between the two of them.

[Arek the Absolute]

you all are stupid
they both obviously are the same because they wear metal armor

[megadave]

you all are stupid
they both obviously are the same because they wear metal armor

Lol, I think Mega Man is more similar to Kirby than Samus.

Mega Man = Kirby + Samus?

[GenericDerrick]

Man...I hope they somehow remake or bring back Fountain of Dreams.. Thats was my favorite stage ever and the music is one of my favorite scores from any game. It's just epic sounding..Also I always thought it was called Rainbow Cruise not Rainbow Ride. :<

[Gafgarion]

But how would he copy abilities in the midst of battle? I mean, a Maverick can't just pop out of nowhere and say here dude, you got me powerz!

[SoloGamer]

But how would he copy abilities in the midst of battle? I mean, a Maverick can't just pop out of nowhere and say here dude, you got me powerz!

It could be like in Marvel vs Capcom, where he calls Eddie (the little red helper robot) to hand him one of three power ups (Rock Ball, Leaf Shield, and Tornado Hold).

[Admiral_C]

Or you know... he could start with them...

Much like Mario being able to throw fireballs without grabbing a fire flower, or Samus having her suit upgrades already...

[Eulogic]

I was thinking down-B would switch between 3 or 4 powers (Cut Man, Crash Man, Snake Man, Toad Man), B would use the power (or Mega Buster without a power selected), forward-B would be Rush Jet, and up-B would be Item 1 from Mega Man 2 (creating a platform under Mega Man that lifts him up).

[Zombie]

I think that they should throw in the main character(s) from the contra games as characters. I was just thinking of the old days playing Operation C on my gameboy, and thought it was a cool idea. :<

[HideousBeing]

Lol, I think Mega Man is more similar to Kirby than Samus.

Mega Man = Kirby + Samus?We all know that Kirby + Samus = a sick little Kirby encased in a Samus helmet who can fire charge shots with his hands.

[Smoke39]

Wow, a lot of hate for brinstar. I love playing that stage. With a lot of Melee stages returning I think there is a good chance that we might see a lof of 64 stages returning as well. At lesat I hope they do.
I'd like to see the 64 version of Brinstar return. I liked its layout, and thought it was more fun than the Melee version.

[Hector]

How about packaging the N64 version in as a free download?

[Red Shadow]

how bout you guys shut up and watch this instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_-Gh4h-1wI

[Gafgarion]

Oh damn, i thought of a good idea. You know how Zelda's down b turns to Shiek? Well, if it were Mega Man X, his down b would be to turn to Zero. That would be awesome. Except which maverick abilities would he start out with?

[Strange]

For all you "purists" who lament the inclusion of so many chaotic stages:

Remember, if you want a flat stage with no effects, just make one!

[JCvgluvr]

Before I say anything else, Classic Mega Man would make this the most perfect game of its kind, and one of the best games ever created. However, Brawl without Mega Man still = 99% of that last statement.

But Classic Mega Man deserves to be in this game. His history with Nintendo is unrivaled with other iconic, 3rd party characters. There simply isn't one person who would make a better choice.

Those who say he's a Kirby/Samus copy, cut it out. Mega Man doesn't usually (or, ever) swallow his foes, nor does he roll up into a ball and get various suit upgrades (or, at least, not even close to how Samus does).

First of all, he gains abilities by defeating his foes. This can be incorporated into Brawl ingeniously! Rather than get an exact copy of his foe's B move like Kirby does, Mega Man could receive a brand new weapon that is only related to their B move. Some examples:

Mega Man KO's Pikachu: He gets his electric power from Mega Man 1.

Mega Man KO's Mario/Luigi: He gets his fire power from Mega Man 6. (His fire power from MM2 seems a little drastic to obtain from Mario's lil' fireball, no?)

Mega Man KO's Kirby/King Dedede: He gets a vacuum power.

Mega Man KO's Link/Meta Knight/Ike/other sword user: He gets his slash power from Mega Man 7.

You see what I mean? Even if my obtained abilities list sucks, just think of the idea in general at least! No copycats of Kirby/Samus here. These moves could all just replace his Mega Buster, which would be assigned to his normal B move. And, as has been said before, he should have the ability to charge while running, as he does in his games. Maybe it could be a little nerfed, so as to avoid cheap comparison's to Samus's charge beam?

Anyway, all of my dreams come true when Classic Mega Man is playable (like ^that) in Brawl. And none of that Mega Man .EXE crap either!

[TDKenyon]

That's a very interesting idea, JC. That would be really fun to play as.

[JCvgluvr]

And, as has been said before, he should have the ability to charge while running, as he does in his games. Maybe it could be a little nerfed, so as to avoid cheap comparison's to Samus's charge beam?

I just thought of something funny. While its true that Mega Man has the ability to run and charge his buster in his games, Samus has the same privileges with her Charge beam in her games. Why doesn't she get this luxury in SSB?

[Bleck]

And none of that Mega Man .EXE crap either!

Actually if you think about it .EXE would make the most sense

[Arek the Absolute]

I just thought of something funny. While its true that Mega Man has the ability to run and charge his buster in his games, Samus has the same privileges with her Charge beam in her games. Why doesn't she get this luxury in SSB?

because that would be retarded and make her broken

people are stationary when they charge so people can have a chance to stop their charging

loving the new people in this thread.....

[Mastertoku]

Alloys look pretty cool, even if I am slightly disappointed that the Mii theory has been disproved...

They actually do look pretty nifty. I like the green fella.

[Strike911]

Captain Falcon confirmed? Red Alloy looks eerily similar to good old Falcon's fighting stance (just like the old wireframes).

Blue looks like (possibly) Zelda's graceful movements? Maybe ZeroSuit Samus? *shrugs* It was Zelda for the wireframes so I'll assume Zelda right now.

Green is more likely than not Kirby's regular moves.

Yellow is probably Mario. Judging by the way he's falling with his arms in the air (just like Mario back in the day) in the last pic. Those horns remind me of ICO. lol.

All of this is assuming that we see some similarities between copying regular attacks for these generic fighters in a similar fashion of how they did it with the wireframes (Falcon and Zelda moves).

I'm so happy to see some emphasis on cooperative play. That makes me soo happy because while I love pummeling my pals (and being pummeled too), nothing beats being able to be a team. I hope we see some cool cooperative mission scenarios, like defend the right side, or something along those lines. Cool stuff. AND I like the alloys. They look huge from those pictures, but hella cool.

[Mr.Roboto]

....The alloys are somewhat related to Meteos.

The Red Alloy:Dawndus.
The Blue Alloy:Cavious.
The Yellow Alloy(The one that really struck me to this theory.):Geolite.
The Green Alloy:Megadom.

The resemblances are far too striking to be merely coincidence.

[Tables]

Wow, even the green "Kirby" one is xbox huge compared to most characters.

[Ray Falling]

Brilliant update!

This man must be a genius; he manages to make existing things all new and fresh and exiting without "breaking" them!

I like how there are now more types of "wireframe fighters". I wonder what makes the yellow and green ones different in fighting style...
The green one looks a bit like he may be a "heavy" character, like Bowser.

Co-op mode just makes it a whole lot more fun, and the inclusion of online is even more excellent :)

So... February eh?

[nookster]

Suddenly remembered. Wasn't that Krystal from Starfox rumoured as the third 3th party character? Very unlikely I know, but didn't her voice actress said she did a voice part as Krystal in Brawl on her site. How did that end? was that debunked? because i definitly recall reading that.

Edit:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0928380/

So, leon Kenndy eh? And Kazuya Mishima? Not totally sure about this hahaha

[RTYPEpilot]

Strange. I thought I read that Jennifer Hale would do the voicing for Samus, as she did her [sounds] for the Prime games...
Interesting. I suppose they changed her voice talent, or the IMDB article author got some wrong info.
A voice (for ZSS) would be a nice break from the usual "fernt" and "boo-doop".
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Anyone else get the feeling that Sakurai saying the Red Alloy wasn't the leader was a possible joke, hinting at the battling team shows (Power Rangers and the like) in Japan?
Kinda thought that'd be amusing.

Alloy Fighters = really cool update.

[eternal Zero]

"Needs more Black Alloy Frame to be just like Super Sentai(Power Rangers)" is what I was thinking as I finished reading it.

Suddenly remembered. Wasn't that Krystal from Starfox rumoured as the third 3th party character? Very unlikely I know, but didn't her voice actress said she did a voice part as Krystal in Brawl on her site. How did that end? was that debunked? because i definitly recall reading that.
Krystal could just be taking part in the story mode, much like how Peppy and Slippy had voiced parts in Melee.

[Scufo]

I think you missed RD's joke there. :wink:
OH I GET IT NOW

Also I was thinking Lucas for the horned alloy.

[nookster]

"Needs more Black Alloy Frame to be just like Super Sentai(Power Rangers)" is what I was thinking as I finished reading it.


Krystal could just be taking part in the story mode, much like how Peppy and Slippy had voiced parts in Melee.

Yeah probably. Doens't explain the name of Tekken character on that list though. I think they made a mistake. Leon Kennedy sounds a little more plausible, but i don't believe that either.

[Eulogic]

IMDB is user-edited, so I'm sure it's just bullshit. The Krystal voice actor did say on her website (which has since been taken down) that she is doing her voice in Brawl. This doesn't confirm her has a playable character, but it's certainly more plausible than Leon Kennedy or certainly someone from Tekken.

[megadave]

I wouldn't be surprised if Leon appeared. Now that Mega Man is out of the game, my biggest hope is Ashley the Red.

[Arrow]

Wait, how is Krystal a 3rd Party character? Yes, Rare created her originally, but she's part of the Star Fox universe now, which is blatantly owned by Nintendo.

[Ray Falling]

Regardless, Krystal would still be a good addition to the game at this point, especially seeing how Fox is the only one representing the Starfox series now (assuming Falco is going to be replaced/removed at all).

[Airwalker]

Regardless, Krystal would still be a good addition to the game at this point, especially seeing how Fox is the only one representing the Starfox series now (assuming Falco is going to be replaced/removed at all).

That and we need more female characters. I'm telling you, it's more like Super Sausage Fest.

[Admiral_C]

Regardless, Krystal would still be a good addition to the game at this point, especially seeing how Fox is the only one representing the Starfox series now (assuming Falco is going to be replaced/removed at all).

Wolf for Brawl...

[The Author]

That and we need more female characters. I'm telling you, it's more like Super Sausage Fest.
Well, you have Peach, Zelda, Jigglypuff, Kirby and Luigi...

I think that's enough gals.

[megadave]

Need more female villains and/or 'evil' female characters. I don't know if there are any on the Smash Brothers games. That's why I won't shut up about Ashley the Red.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

....The alloys are somewhat related to Meteos.

The Red Alloy:Dawndus.
The Blue Alloy:Cavious.
The Yellow Alloy(The one that really struck me to this theory.):Geolite.
The Green Alloy:Megadom.

The resemblances are far too striking to be merely coincidence.
I knew that I remembered the yellow allow from somewhere. It was from Meteos of course.

[RTYPEpilot]

Well, you have Peach, Zelda, Jigglypuff, Kirby and Luigi...

I think that's enough gals.
Although I'm sure you were joking ('twas funny), you forgot Samus and Marth. ;-)

[The Author]

Although I'm sure you were joking ('twas funny), you forgot Samus and Marth. ;-)
The gun is phallic enough, and well, Samus makes me feel less of a man...

[Gafgarion]

I really hope they have some kind of replacement for Falco and/or Ganondorf.

Hopefully Krystal or Wolf is put in so a type of Falco can come back.

[Admiral_C]

Who said Ganondorf wasn't coming back?

[nookster]

Although I'm sure you were joking ('twas funny), you forgot Samus and Marth. ;-)

Marth?
10char

[Critical Hit]

Marth?
10char

Poking fun at his manly tiara, I assume.

[Tables]

Not to mention his wedding dress. I mean, what were they thinking?

At least he ends up having an awesome black costume too.

[HideousBeing]

Roy's a bit of a girl herself. I got a question. How do we know that Jigglypuff is a she? It seems to me that every reference to her defines her, like all Pokemon, as an "it." The trophies all say, "It sings..., it can fly, it's light..." Seriously, how do people know she's a girl?

[TDKenyon]

Because she has a female voice.
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