Super Smash Bros. Brawl [Archive] - Page 44

TDKenyon

01-09-2008, 03:06 AM

Because she has a female voice.
[EDITED FOR... CONTENT]
Fixed. Now, uh, can everyone else do the same to their quotes of that post, so we can move on with our lives and act like that was never said? kthnx.

My 'rents said I can't bring Wii back to college after winter break because I did really shitty my first semester (I'm a freshman at UMass Dartmouth). This means no SSBB.

What do I do?

Arek the Absolute

01-09-2008, 03:14 AM

Offtop? This is community...

And what do you do? Suck it up, do better in school, and deal with it.

I, on the other hand, shall be enjoying brawl because I payed attention in class :3 *that and I live alone so noone can be liek NO WII 4 U*.

My predictions for tonight's update:
-Kirby's super smash
-Item
-Assist trophy/pokemon

The Author

01-09-2008, 03:16 AM

Roy's a bit of a girl herself. I got a question. How do we know that Jigglypuff is a she? It seems to me that every reference to her defines her, like all Pokemon, as an "it." The trophies all say, "It sings..., it can fly, it's light..." Seriously, how do people know she's a girl?
Well, truth be told, there are male and female jigglypuffs. It's a species and not an individual.

However, that specific Jigglypuff cannot be anything other than female in my mind.

TDKenyon

01-09-2008, 03:21 AM

I keep forgetting which of the posts I've been in are in what category. My bad.

I wanna see Kirby's final smash pretty badly. Also, has Ganondorf officially been ruled at as a Vet character? If not, I'd love for his Final Smash to be turning into some final form of his, preferably the one from OoT.

Arek the Absolute

01-09-2008, 03:24 AM

just curious, but have you even been checking smashbros.com?

TDKenyon

01-09-2008, 03:29 AM

Of course, since the beginning, but not religiously. If I missed it, I hope it's not too big of a deal.

EDIT:
Oh, was your "prediction" just sarcasm? I didn't know Kirby's Final Smash was already released on the Dojo.

Arek the Absolute

01-09-2008, 04:31 AM

airwalker, read what bahamut posted

atmuh

01-09-2008, 04:49 AM

i choose you brock!
dont ban me baha i <3 you

Paratha

01-09-2008, 05:16 AM

My 'rents said I can't bring Wii back to college after winter break because I did really shitty my first semester (I'm a freshman at UMass Dartmouth). This means no SSBB.

What do I do?

Stop posting in this thread, order your spring textbooks, and studystudystudy till May.

Mr Jarna

01-09-2008, 05:32 AM

i choose you brock!
dont ban me baha i <3 you

Sad thing is, going by what I can remember in the "anime" and assuming things are about the same, he's probably desparate enough by now, Atma.

<_<

>_>

I mean, uh, booo they didn't show us if Big Blue was back. :< And does anyone else think that Sakurai will have one more big WTF character update up his sleeve soon? Sonic/PT/Dedede make 3, but 4 is a nice round number...

Bleck

01-09-2008, 05:39 AM

And does anyone else think that Sakurai will have one more big WTF character update up his sleeve soon? Sonic/PT/Dedede make 3, but 4 is a nice round number...

In b4 Bomberman

TDKenyon

01-09-2008, 05:40 AM

Stop posting in this thread, order your spring textbooks, and studystudystudy till May.
Haha I will eventually. I just had a hard time adjusting from a small-town school to a state school. Much more difficult material + tests and a lot more academic responsibility.

I'm looking forward to co-op multiman melee.

Mr Jarna

01-09-2008, 05:50 AM

In b4 Bomberman

If by Bomberman you mean the Blue Bomber, man - then I totally agree.

Although I still totally agree with it anyways, y'know. More characters cannot be bad, and in fact is the reason I used to main Pichu until I never lost due to everyone's ego being battered down by the little rodent....yeah everyone else sucked.

Haha I will eventually. I just had a hard time adjusting from a small-town school to a state school. Much more difficult material + tests and a lot more academic responsibility.

I hear you 100%, man. I'm a freshie as well, and am also having trouble studying due to the fact that I didn't have to in HS. Thank god for the library, s'all I am saying.

TDKenyon

01-09-2008, 05:54 AM

@Jarna:
Glad somebody's with me.

Also, I would love to play as the newer Bomberman. The goofy little N64 version. He would have a cruddy setlist, but he's a quirky little guy.

Arek the Absolute

01-09-2008, 07:10 AM

New character.
Captain Olimar.

atmuh

01-09-2008, 07:11 AM

hofreakingsnap

friendlyHunter

01-09-2008, 07:15 AM

I bet NOBODY expected that!

(waits for flood of people saying "I told you so!!!")

Red Shadow

01-09-2008, 07:17 AM

yesssssssssssssssssss

i like how they set him up against mario in one of the shots, too

Imagery

01-09-2008, 07:20 AM

I bet NOBODY expected that!

(waits for flood of people saying "I told you so!!!")

if by flood of people you mean RD

RTYPEpilot

01-09-2008, 07:25 AM

Congrats to all those who predicted:

NEWCOMER: OLIMAR!

There's your WTF character. ;-)

Mastertoku

01-09-2008, 07:27 AM

Ah, delightful.

What do you suppose his gimmick plays like? The Pikmin and such? I mean, look at that shot where they're all in a line. If one dies, or falls off the edge, you think it would sprout back up on the arena?

Global-Trance

01-09-2008, 07:35 AM

With a new franchise character in... let's bring up the icons again.

01 - Smash Emblem
02 - DK Initials [Donkey Kong Series]
03 - Starfox Insigna [Starfox Series]
04 - Star [Kirby Series]
05 - Falcon Icon [F-Zero Series]
06 - Samus Signature [Metroid Series]
07 - Mother Symbol [Earthbound Series]
08 - Pokeball [Pokemon Series]
09 - Triforce [Zelda Series]
10 - Mushroom [Mario Series]
11 - Yoshi Egg [Yoshi Series]
12 - Sword [Fire Emblem Series]
13 - ?
14 - Eggplant [Ice Climber Series]
15 - Leaf [Animal Crossing Series]
16 - Wario's W [Wario Series]
17 - FOX Unit Logo [Metal Gear Solid Series]
18 - Pit's Bow [Kid Icarus Series]
19 - ?
20 - Hedgehog Head [Sonic Series]
21 - DS Icon [Nintendo DS.. Stuff?]
22 - Pikmin Flower [Pikmin Series]

We're still missing icons 13 and 19. I still speculate 13 to be Mr. Game & Watch as icons 01-11 were introduced in Super Smash Bros. 64, icons 12-14 were all introduced in Super Smash Bros. Melee, and icons 15 and onward were all introduced in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Icon 19 is ANYONE'S guess now!

Edit:
I'm just going to say it.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/Foreverdes/Saved%20pics/1199854378265.jpg
FALCON CONFIRMED.

friendlyHunter

01-09-2008, 07:52 AM

Superb song by the way! I've never played Pikmin, but this is the best update in a while ^_^

The Pikmin icon is #22, so:

15 - Dōbutsu no Mori (Animal Crossing)
16 - Meido in Wario (Wario Ware)
17 - Metaru Gia (Metal Gear)
18 - Hikari Shinwa: Parutena no Kagami (Kid Icarus)
19 - ???
20 - Sonic
21 - Nintendo DS (not in alphabetical order)
22 - Pikmin (not in alphabetical order)

Alright, crazy theory time!

As established before, icons 15 to 18 are PROBABLY in alphabetical order by the English spellings of the series' Japanese names. Which means icons 15 to 20 might ALSO be in alphabetical order. If so, Rockman fits in to #19 perfectly, as was the theory.

With 21 and 22, the alphabetical order is broken - this may suggest that the list of icons was made BEFORE they decided to add a DS stage and a Pikmin character (or, at least before they decided they were definitely going to keep them). If Rockman's in the game, he's a MAJOR character - they most likely would have started development with him early on (or, at least sealed the deal with Capcom early on). So, if Megaman is in the game, I'd be willing to bet he's #19.

Anyway... I still have hope for Megaman!! Not tommorow though... Th-They wouldn't do two surprise newcomer updates in a row, would they?!

[Edit]
Ooops I bolded the wrong letter in Kid Icarus =p Fixed.

Mastertoku

01-09-2008, 07:54 AM

Icon 19 is ANYONE'S guess now!

I'm still hanging onto the slim hope of a Crystal of Light from the original Final Fantasy...

Ralphis

01-09-2008, 07:55 AM

Actually Kid Icarus isn't 3rd party but other than that I like your theory and I hope so bad that you're right

atmuh

01-09-2008, 07:55 AM

15 - Dōbutsu no Mori (Animal Crossing)
16 - Meido in Wario (Wario Ware)
17 - Metaru Gia (Metal Gear)
18 - Hikari Shinwa: Parutena no Kagami (Kid Icarus)

explain how that is in order

friendlyHunter

01-09-2008, 07:57 AM

I made some mistakes in my post, it's now fixed ^_^
Use the "P" in "Parutena no Kagami"

[Edit]
And now that the site has exactly 12 newcomers and 12 veterans... I'm guessing that they're not going to announce any new characters on the site, so we'll have to wait until the game's out (or at least until the information has leaked).

RTYPEpilot

01-09-2008, 08:19 AM

I'm apparently missing something here...
Where is this list located (if anywhere)...?

Global-Trance

01-09-2008, 08:30 AM

I'm apparently missing something here...
Where is this list located (if anywhere)...?

If you're talking about the icon list, it comes from checking the file name of each icon that appears. For instance the flower icon next to Pikmin & Olimar is 22 and the file name is http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/images/icon/world_b_22.gif. All the icons from the site have been collected and compiled as such as the one I posted.

RTYPEpilot

01-09-2008, 08:33 AM

Oh, okay.
So files numbered x and y (don't remember the numbers at the moment) are the only ones that haven't shown up yet.

That's cool. Thanks.

atmuh

01-09-2008, 08:42 AM

[Edit]
And now that the site has exactly 12 newcomers and 12 veterans... I'm guessing that they're not going to announce any new characters on the site, so we'll have to wait until the game's out (or at least until the game has leaked).

more correct

nookster

01-09-2008, 09:49 AM

FINALLY, i fuckin told you so :D:D:D

I knew he was gonna be in. Nintendo launched Pikmin as their IP, so they aren't going to neglect that. But sooooo fucking nice to have confirmed.
And not only that, but the song's supervisor is Mitsuda? Mitsuda helping out with the pikmin song? DAMN

Can't freakin wait for the Pikmin stage!

Rambo

01-09-2008, 10:47 AM

I was never really interested in the series until I bought Pikmin 2 three weeks ago, and fell in love with the freakin' thing. So basically, with all dramatic timing... I blew my pants at this update.

Tables

01-09-2008, 11:17 AM

SwordBreaker

01-09-2008, 11:54 AM

LOL...glad that Olimar's finally in. The overworld theme song remix is pretty cool...very Celtic, typical of Mr. Mitsuda

eternal Zero

01-09-2008, 12:55 PM

Olimar has a whistle and his punch and/or rocket punch, but considering he stated that he can't even smash attack w/o his Pikmin, then his style should be quite interesting. First update I've been happy about in a long time.

Rambo

01-09-2008, 02:05 PM

Well, I am pleasantly surprised. I can't possibly imagine a Final Smash for these guys, other then the classic mob rush.
I can't think of any moves, really.

Although, didn't Olimar have a cheapie pistol or something in the game? I can't remember.

in Pikmin 2 there were two sprays. One turned adjacent opponents to rock temporarily, and the other doubled the Pikmins' speed and strength temporarily. I'd put money on one of those being the final smash.
Though I would like to see Olimar command 100 pikmin for a brief time. :grin:

The Author

01-09-2008, 02:53 PM

Am I the only one who sees Olimar as a grab characters. Like all of his moves will be grabs and throws?

Steben

01-09-2008, 03:09 PM

Am I the only one who sees Olimar as a grab characters. Like all of his moves will be grabs and throws?

I imagine a 4-player match with all Olimars will be chaotic.

"Hey is this my Pikmin?"

When you discover it isn't, well, just remember to protect your watch (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/09/01).

Airwalker

01-09-2008, 03:17 PM

:-P Yay, something of real substance. Something that made me say "Sweet".

Although, I can't shake this feeling that Ollmar will become a character that I play once and absolutely hate. Then it will become a character some other player becomes really good at and dominates me. Just like Ice Climbers.

The Author

01-09-2008, 03:18 PM

I feel like Olimar will be banned from Tourny play, too original.

Paratha

01-09-2008, 03:26 PM

Am I the only one who sees Olimar as a grab characters. Like all of his moves will be grabs and throws?

He seems more like Zappa from Guilty Gear, in that he summons/obtains Pikmin to fight for him.

Thalzon

01-09-2008, 03:33 PM

Well, I'm satisfied now. The only thing that could make me go overboard with squeeing is if Mike Jones is a playable character. Maybe Muddy Mole, too.

Rambo

01-09-2008, 03:42 PM

I feel like Olimar will be banned from Tourny play, too original.

lol out loud

Airwalker

01-09-2008, 04:04 PM

Eulogic

01-09-2008, 04:12 PM

English alphabetical order of the English spellings of Japanese names. And you think this is a viable theory?

The Author

01-09-2008, 04:19 PM

English alphabetical order of the English spellings of Japanese names. And you think this is a viable theory?
Well, anything goes in here, think of the clouds.

Global-Trance

01-09-2008, 04:22 PM

Maybe they're just assigning random numbers to throw us all off. Of course it would be funny if the next icon that appears is like #73 or something.

It's not THAT random. Icons 01-11 = introduced in Smash 64. Icons 12-14 = introduced in Smash Melee. Icons 15-?? = introduced in Smash Brawl.

Neo Samus

01-09-2008, 05:29 PM

Airwalker

01-09-2008, 05:33 PM

It's not THAT random. Icons 01-11 = introduced in Smash 64. Icons 12-14 = introduced in Smash Melee. Icons 15-?? = introduced in Smash Brawl.

That's what they want you to think. Make it seem rational at first and them, blam! They mess it up. It's a conspiracy theory, I tell's ya!

:tomatoface:

Admiral_C

01-09-2008, 05:48 PM

He's right. And it all culminates in Brawl being released for ALL platforms, AND PC. Then Nintendo takes over the world...

Neonlare

01-09-2008, 05:51 PM

That's what they want you to think. Make it seem rational at first and them, blam! They mess it up. It's a conspiracy theory, I tell's ya!

:tomatoface:

Akin to the Zelda Timeline then, amiright?

Lord.Roderick.i

01-09-2008, 05:56 PM

Sound's logical to me. I was really hoping that Olimar was goning to be in brawl. Thank you Sakurai-San.

My prediction for tomorrow - Pikmin stage, AT Metroid (confirmed in commerical 1 for Japan), or how to save.
I knew I saw a Metroid like character in the commercial, but really? How good of a character could a Metroid be? All it can do it suck your life and grow bigger.
Im saying tomorrow is gonna be Pikmin FS or stage

Mr Jarna

01-09-2008, 06:20 PM

Sound's logical to me. I was really hoping that Olimar was goning to be in brawl. Thank you Sakurai-San.

My prediction for tomorrow - Pikmin stage, AT Metroid (confirmed in commerical 1 for Japan), or how to save.

From your mouth to Sakurai's ear - although, a double Pikmin update (moves, FS, stage - any combo of those three) would be better IMO.

From the screenshots of Olimar in action (acyion? kudos to whoever gets the joke), I was somewhat reminded of Yoshi's Island. Maybe that's how they're gonna make Olimar, like a YI Yoshi but with plant creatures instead of eggs.

That's what they want you to think. Make it seem rational at first and them, blam! They mess it up. It's a conspiracy theory, I tell's ya!Akin to the Zelda Timeline then, amiright?

No, the Zelda timeline is much more complex than that. So complex it would make a good character for Brawl. Plus, it would have the best final smash EVER - like 50 Ganons appear and basically rape you. And maybe a Vaati or two. And Veran and that General dude from the Oracles.

...and Tingle OMGWTF NOES. :?

eternal Zero

01-09-2008, 06:43 PM

I knew I saw a Metroid like character in the commercial, but really? How good of a character could a Metroid be? All it can do it suck your life and grow bigger.
Im saying tomorrow is gonna be Pikmin FS or stage

You might want to re-read the posts or watch the commercial yourself, but the Metroid is an assist trophy NOT a character.

I don't think Sakurai will drop the bomb of the FS for a little while, I personally would revel in the shock he's just given some people and take it slow with the stage then special moves. Or drop a completely unrelated bomb to further consolidate that he's got more surprises up his sleeve.

Neo Samus

01-09-2008, 06:50 PM

What if Tingle is a playable character?

JCvgluvr

01-09-2008, 06:51 PM

Put me down as the proverbial "Negative Ned".

In other words, I hate this update. :|
Couldn't Olimar's slot be filled with someone, I don't know, more famous? How about someone with more than 2 games? How about someone who wasn't originally the size of a pinhead?

Yeah, I'm looking at you K. Rool...

Thalzon

01-09-2008, 06:57 PM

What if Tingle is a playable character?

He's had two of his own games, so it's completely, scarily possible.

eternal Zero

01-09-2008, 06:59 PM

Yeah, I'm looking at you K. Rool...

Why you would want another Bowser clone-esque character is beyond me, Negative Ned. We're getting the older characters back filling similar but slightly differently defined niches while having new characters (and items, actually) filling new roles that are actually, well, innovative. For once we have two characters who don't actually have much fighting capability on their own (I'm guessing for Olimar since he can't do a smash attack w/o pikmin. I'm sure about pkmn trainer.) much like the Ice Climbers whose effectiveness drops significantly if you kill off the secondary one. More ideas like this are what makes Smash into a game of its own genre in that you had characters like Zelda/Shiek but now have Samus/ZSS along with the three afore-mentioned specialty characters. Honestly adding Bowser the way he was in Melee was, in my opinion, a mistake, and I do hope they avoid anything like that in this installment.

Neo Samus

01-09-2008, 07:00 PM

Thinking about it myself.....I don't know what I would do if he was playable. Laugh hystrically, or scream in terror. :shock:

Mr Jarna

01-09-2008, 07:06 PM

He's had two of his own games, so it's completely, scarily possible.

I must admit, I'd actually enjoy seeing Tingle on the battlefield just so I could beat the crap out of him. And hey - free character!

...wouldn't it be awesome if Tingle got to be considered "top tier"? The pros who used him would never live down the shame, even if they won.

For once we have two characters who don't actually have much fighting capability on their own (I'm guessing for Olimar since he can't do a smash attack w/o pikmin. I'm sure about pkmn trainer.) much like the Ice Climbers whose effectiveness drops significantly if you kill off the secondary one.

But Olimar actually risks himself on the battlefield...cowardly Pokemon Trainer can't even step ONTO the battlefield. That said, I wonder if a Pikmin can defeat a Pokemon? The battle of the names that sound alike.

And I don't know how it is for anyone else, but I seem to play BETTER as the IC when I'm alone. I think it's because I'm not as worried about dying, since I'll only come back stronger like Obi-Wan except without the hermit solitude. And ghostly visage.

megadave

01-09-2008, 07:16 PM

I know. It's ridiculous. I've never even seen Pokemon Trainer in action and I already hate him. I can see myself wanting to go into the background and stab his throat, then throwing my controller in frustration because I can't.

Mr Jarna

01-09-2008, 07:21 PM

TDKenyon

01-09-2008, 07:28 PM

I can see pokemon trainer sucking, but also being pretty fun if everyone plays as him or an actual pokemon character.

JCvgluvr

01-09-2008, 09:00 PM

Why you would want another Bowser clone-esque character is beyond me, Negative Ned.

Hmm, I don't seem to remember Bowser having a Helicopter pack...or a musket that shoots cannonballs, spiked balls, and clouds...or a boomeranging crown...or an enlarged eye that likes to change sides.

Of course, I remember K. Rool doing all kinds of Bowser stuff! Retracting into the shell that all giant crocodiles have...breathing fire...using his giant claws to scratch up DK...Oh yeah. K. Rool is the spitting image of Boswer!

Oh wait, none of that happened...

Next you're gonna tell me Ridley is another Bowser clone! Hey, they both breath fire! ZOMG!

:idea: Maybe next time you should come up for a legitimate reason a character shouldn't be in Brawl?

Neonlare

01-09-2008, 09:15 PM

Hmm, I don't seem to remember Bowser having a Helicopter pack...or a musket that shoots cannonballs, spiked balls, and clouds...or a boomeranging crown...or an enlarged eye that likes to change sides.

Of course, I remember K. Rool doing all kinds of Bowser stuff! Retracting into the shell that all giant crocodiles have...breathing fire...using his giant claws to scratch up DK...Oh yeah. K. Rool is the spitting image of Boswer!

Oh wait, none of that happened...

Next you're gonna tell me Ridley is another Bowser clone! Hey, they both breath fire! ZOMG!

:idea: Maybe next time you should come up for a legitimate reason a character shouldn't be in Brawl?

The Internet is more than serious.

It's brutal.

TDKenyon

01-09-2008, 09:27 PM

The Internet is more than serious.

It's brutal.
I know, it's crazy shit.

I like when SSB has enemies from a popular series. I think it makes the game more interesting and balanced, albeit only because of the characters in it. With the inclusion of Diddy, the DK series qualifies for getting a baddy from the series, IMO.

Eulogic

01-09-2008, 09:53 PM

:idea: Maybe next time you should come up for a legitimate reason a character shouldn't be in Brawl?

Like you gave for Olimar?

Arek the Absolute

01-09-2008, 09:53 PM

snap
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Paratha

01-09-2008, 10:20 PM

Yeah, I'm looking at you K. Rool...

I dunno, I didn't like him in DKC 1-3; going through regular levels was a lot more fun than boss battles in those games. I'm perfectly happy with him not being in Brawl.

eternal Zero

01-09-2008, 10:23 PM

:idea: Maybe next time you should come up for a legitimate reason a character shouldn't be in Brawl?

I did. K.Rool is bound to be slow and large. As far as Smash is concerned, remember, we're talking about Smash here, it'd be a similar large character with slow supposedly powerful attacks. With a hit area far too large to compensate for sub-par attacks Bowser in Melee was nothing more than a walking liability. I can only hope he's either faster or able to take more damage in Brawl because that's the only way he would work. Which, incidentally, would be how you would incorporate K.Rool, right? Large, slow, needs something to compensate for the fact that the balance between speed and power means a lot in the series. There's enough reasoning in my post, unlike yours. More than 2 games? Sure, he's only got two, but they were good and they were well known on the GCN. Larger than a pinhead? Sorry, Smash already ignores stuff like that with Kirby, so there's already good precedent for him.

Gafgarion

01-09-2008, 10:27 PM

He may be the new Ganondorf, that is if Ganondorf isn't confirmed.

Arek the Absolute

01-09-2008, 10:43 PM

I cannot wait for this game to come out so all these theories can finally go away.

This thread is gamefaqs quality, and that is just horrible.

supremespleen

01-09-2008, 11:27 PM

I cannot wait for this game to come out so all these theories can finally go away.

This thread is gamefaqs quality, and that is just horrible.I concur wholeheartedly.

Zup

01-09-2008, 11:46 PM

So, Olimar. How does everyone like him? He was the one new character I really wanted, so I'm super excited. I can't wait to see his final smash, his special moves, his play style altogether.

God, I can't wait for this game. I think Olimar is one more character I'm going to try and master, in addition to Pit and Pokemon Trainer.

Gafgarion

01-10-2008, 12:22 AM

I mained with Falco/Ganondorf. But, if they are not confirmed, I will have to go with Falcon and Link.

Aninymouse

01-10-2008, 12:33 AM

There are going to be so many unique characters in the final roster; it will be epic and huge. Honestly, I have trouble imagining what playing Brawl is going to be like with just THIS many new characters added into the mix! There are always going to be some characters that are way more popular than others, but even so...

Pokemon Trainer and Olimar look to be my picks for favorite newcomer. I'm all for insane technical skill. I like the Ice Climbers, too, though, so I must be insane XD

Scufo

01-10-2008, 12:45 AM

HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT

Wasn't expecting this at all. Olimar's by far my most wanted character. Interesting how they're looking to pull it off.

It's really awesome how Pikmin is getting some representation. It's an amazing series that more people need to try.

JCvgluvr

01-10-2008, 01:09 AM

I did. K.Rool is bound to be slow and large. As far as Smash is concerned, remember, we're talking about Smash here, it'd be a similar large character with slow supposedly powerful attacks. With a hit area far too large to compensate for sub-par attacks Bowser in Melee was nothing more than a walking liability. I can only hope he's either faster or able to take more damage in Brawl because that's the only way he would work. Which, incidentally, would be how you would incorporate K.Rool, right? Large, slow, needs something to compensate for the fact that the balance between speed and power means a lot in the series. There's enough reasoning in my post, unlike yours. More than 2 games? Sure, he's only got two, but they were good and they were well known on the GCN. Larger than a pinhead? Sorry, Smash already ignores stuff like that with Kirby, so there's already good precedent for him.

Hmm, you've made some good points about Olimar's/Kirby's size and K. Rool's playing style.

But your rebuttal against K. Rool is equally weak. Your rebuttal could equally apply to DK, or Ganondorf, to a lesser degree. By your logic, we shouldn't include the likes of them in Brawl either? If you wanna discuss this in a SSBB format, you'll have to do better than that. After all, not many people rocked as DK in SSBM, am I right? *doesn't include self in last question*

Your game quality quip also fails. K. Rool was in 4 major games. Each one of these games have enjoyed more success than Pikmin ever will...

*Feels a little tug on his conscience*

Okay, fine, I'll admit it. As cold as I feel towards Olimar, I can't shake this attitude of "the more the merrier". Dang it, I'm such a softie...:banghead:

Arek the Absolute

01-10-2008, 01:15 AM

shut the fuck up and wait till the game comes out
or take it gamefaqs

JCvgluvr

01-10-2008, 01:58 AM

Oh, I'm sorry.

I thought I was in a thread that usually talks about the videogame, Super Smash Brothers Brawl? I must've wandered into a random troll hole instead. Silly me!

Arek the Absolute

01-10-2008, 02:12 AM

you guys are both arguing like idiots
wait till the fucking game comes out and stop arguing about stupid shit like this

i hate this thread
also welcome to ocr

Mr Jarna

01-10-2008, 02:21 AM

WHY CAN'T WE ALl JUST LOVE EACH OTHER :cry:

Back on topic, now that Olimar is confirmed I don't really know what to think. I mean, I assume the Pikmin series was awesome otherwise I wouldn't be hearing all this praise about it, but it just never struck me that he would seriously be considered as a character.

I know, I know. Pit/G&W/IC/whatever are probably more WTF than Olimar - at least Olimar had two fairly recent games under his belt (I refuse to count remakes of Pit/G&W/IC's games) - but Olimar never seemed to me as "big enough" for a game of his own, even if he was an interesting character.

So, basically my ideas of who is gonna be in Brawl are all thrown out of whack (and they were fairly decent before - I anticipated Sonic and Dedede; collected $20 off of a bet about Sonic). Anyone else feeling this, or am I spitting in the wind?

Also, this picture of a guy in the upper left hand corner of the page? Says he's mascot49 in the address? Has wierd bat-like wings? I think he'd be awesome in Brawl. Just sayin'. :<

Steben

01-10-2008, 02:26 AM

Retailers have begun listing new release dates in early March. No word yet from Nintendo. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=15073)

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Mr Jarna

01-10-2008, 02:29 AM

Retailers have begun listing new release dates in early March. No word yet from Nintendo. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=15073)

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Why? Why would they do this awful thing?

Arek the Absolute

01-10-2008, 02:30 AM

As much as it hurts me to say this, I would trust gamestop's release date over any other retailer's "predicted" date.

atmuh

01-10-2008, 02:32 AM

dont change the jap date plz

although its gone gold in japan or so we think

DjSammyG

01-10-2008, 02:48 AM

The date hasn't changed yet. Plz to stop speculation. You're scaring the trolls.

Arek the Absolute

01-10-2008, 02:48 AM

The date hasn't changed yet. Plz to stop speculation. You're scaring the trolls.
no hes not :)

JCvgluvr

01-10-2008, 03:00 AM

Wait...how could you know if he's scaring the trolls...unless...

Aha! You admit your trollish ways! Sweet, sweet justice.

Now, we just need Atma's confession...*Starts yelling Balls*

The Derrit

01-10-2008, 03:03 AM

your point? your joke paints a blank expression on my face.

Arek the Absolute

01-10-2008, 03:15 AM

Wait...how could you know if he's scaring the trolls...unless...

Aha! You admit your trollish ways! Sweet, sweet justice.

Now, we just need Atma's confession...*Starts yelling Balls*

keep lurking and stop posting bud

JCvgluvr

01-10-2008, 03:35 AM

Just a little ribbing between friends.

We're gonna get along just fine. I can tell!

*Hugs Arek*

Aninymouse

01-10-2008, 03:40 AM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Why? Why would they do this awful thing?

OH DEAR GAWD TEN CHAR

EDIT: Also, like... this has been the first decent week of updates since, like... October. I remember when they revealed Sonic on my birthday, and then the delay... I hope this thing's still going as planned.

Zero Rei Maru

01-10-2008, 03:46 AM

Ok guys I made this video a long time ago but forgot about it until now I would like to show you who i think will be in SSBB

http://youtube.com/watch?v=roD86whtaeY

GenericDerrick

01-10-2008, 03:48 AM

I call shennanigans. If they somehow delay it further then I guess February 10th and 11th I'll be sitting at home playing Melee instead seeing as I requested those two days off from work. Bleh.

Scufo

01-10-2008, 03:54 AM

We're 15 days from the Japanese release. It'd be crazy to announce a delay now. Gonna wait for Nintendo's say before I jump to any conclusions, but a delay seems pretty unlikely at this late stage.

eternal Zero

01-10-2008, 03:56 AM

After the Jap release do you think it'll be necessary to have updates any longer? I would hope not, they've gotten so irritating but I want the info, so I deal. There's bound to be at least a handful of hardcore gamers waiting to unlock everything then report to the rest of the world that they got it all first.

atmuh

01-10-2008, 03:58 AM

Ser371

01-10-2008, 04:05 AM

Theres no way they could delay the game now, the game's been gold for about a week and a half, so disks have been printing that whole time.

atmuh

01-10-2008, 04:12 AM

Theres no way they could delay the game now, the game's been gold for about a week and a half, so disks have been printing that whole time.

in japan

RTYPEpilot

01-10-2008, 04:14 AM

All the rental places are just PO'd that they have to wait to get their copies, so they're just trying to start a scare. :)!!

I dunno. Nothing's official 'til Nintendo divulges. Just wait.

Steben

01-10-2008, 04:34 AM

Hopefully this is all a false alarm. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to push back the US release. My theory being, they'll have time to iron out any Nintendo Wi-Fi issues with the game before producing a million or so discs.

Since, y'know, Nintendo simply doesn't have a lot of experience with online gaming. :( But that's just my take on it.

Moseph

01-10-2008, 04:40 AM

Eulogic

01-10-2008, 07:05 AM

Cool FS. I think most people, including me, assumed it would actually have something to do with a Metal Gear.

friendlyHunter

01-10-2008, 07:16 AM

Hmm, with the recent and extreme drop of quality in this thread, and with school picking up, I'm going to have to say goodbye to this thread. Good night thread! Good night bed. Good night head band that's tied to Snake's head. Goodnight Olimar. Good night salad bar. Good night person who posts what the updates are.

I may not check here for a day, maybe for a week, maybe never - but don't worry; every time I look up at the Dojo, I'll be reminded of this thread - and maybe people all over the thread will be reminded of me as well. Good bye!!

*Suddenly he does a great jump!*

Goodbye everyone!!

*Choppa-choppa-choppa!*

Goodbyeeeee...!!!!!

Yep. He makes his exit.

Arek the Absolute

01-10-2008, 07:24 AM

who are you again?

also interesting final smash

Strike911

01-10-2008, 07:38 AM

Alright! Another great Final Smash. I love how they're utilizing different styles of Final Smashes for everyone. This is awesome!

Although, personally, it looks to me like Sakurai is just trying to maximize the amount of time Snake's ass is in our face. I mean, look at that third shot! It's like... right there! In all it's ... assy glory.

Teehee. j/k j/k j/k

anyway, cool stuff. :)

I-n-j-i-n

01-10-2008, 08:15 AM

That final smash barely resembles anything that Snake specifically does though.. I was hoping for a Metal Gear of any kind.

RTYPEpilot

01-10-2008, 08:25 AM

That's actually a pretty cool FS. I first wondered "what, no Gear?", but they already get attention on Shadow Moses Island.
Besides, this pretty much completes his arsenal of explosives.
+grenades
+mines
+Nikita
+mortar
+RPG
+G-launcher

I like this list.

From the looks of his intro movie on the Dojo, he may have G4 as well.
Sounds good to me.

Strike911

01-10-2008, 08:49 AM

That final smash barely resembles anything that Snake specifically does though.. I was hoping for a Metal Gear of any kind.

true, but forcing Snake to emphasize explosives (the route they've taken with Snake in SSBB) isn't really anything he is known for doing either. I mean, I guess Snake does shoot things... but... I don't think I ever used the grenade launcher in any MGS games (maybe MGS2) except for the VR Training modes. I was kind of hoping for something utilizing a Metal Gear, but this is cool, I think, because it's so much different from other types of Final Smashes, even though it's not a giant Metal Gear kicking some ass. I mean, they could've used a Metal Gear, and it probably would have been something along the lines of Fox's Landmaster Final Smash but... hmm.

I guess they could have had a Metal Gear do the shooting instead of Snake...

*shrugs*

Rambo

01-10-2008, 08:56 AM

Hmm, with the recent and extreme drop of quality in this thread, and with school picking up, I'm going to have to say goodbye to this thread.

Recent? Where have you been?

Global-Trance

01-10-2008, 09:01 AM

who are you again?

Is this even necessary?

Arek the Absolute

01-10-2008, 09:04 AM

just further proving that the mods couldn't care less for this thread, with good reason

Conan-the-3rd

01-10-2008, 09:05 AM

I have a feeling that a Metal Gear will be an AT.

Global-Trance

01-10-2008, 09:10 AM

I have a feeling that a Metal Gear will be an AT.

Not to be purely pessimistic, but I think that Metal Gear will remain just a cameo in Shadow Moses Island.

Strange

01-10-2008, 12:20 PM

I don't think Sakurai will drop the bomb of the FS for a little while, I personally would revel in the shock he's just given some people and take it slow with the stage then special moves. Or drop a completely unrelated bomb to further consolidate that he's got more surprises up his sleeve.

Insert obvious grenade joke here.

Gafgarion

01-10-2008, 03:27 PM

Instead of the Grenade launcher, it should have been the Stinger.

EndWaver

01-10-2008, 03:33 PM

Not to be purely pessimistic, but I think that Metal Gear will remain just a cameo in Shadow Moses Island.

it isn't a cameo. showing up and blowing off everyone in sight doesn't sounds like a mere background appearance to me...

EndWaver

01-10-2008, 03:48 PM

i think snake's FS suits him. i never imagined him summoning a metal gear cuz that wouldnt be original seeign as they already are on his stage. and maybe the FS is a lot cooler than the snapshots show. who knows? u jus gotta be optimistic and wait to see for yourselves

cobaltstarfire

01-10-2008, 03:55 PM

Use.the.edit.button

Come on I know people like pushing buttons.

anthonium

01-10-2008, 04:23 PM

Cool final smash for Snake. I'm thrilled to see Olimar and that's a definitely a character I didn't think would be added to the game. Here's to hoping that Geno will make an appearance as well.

Arek the Absolute

01-10-2008, 07:11 PM

eternal Zero

01-10-2008, 07:17 PM

Insert obvious grenade joke here.

Heh, I guess I was right in some form.

Anyway, I do like the idea. It feels real similar to the proposed mechanism for the Dragoon, which is kinda cool. They should allow aiming to be done via Wiimote if that control style is being used (or Nunchuck). That'd be an interesting facet to gameplay since the limited buttons or the fact that it isn't a GCN controller may be uninviting.

Darklink42

01-10-2008, 07:27 PM

please....
dont post in pink again...

QFE

You know, it's funny because when I was looking at the update list, I thought Olimar was going to be an AT. I agree with Global though, I doubt you'll see a Metal Gear as one. I also don't think Snake's FS is inappropriate for him either. Sure he never uses a helicopter in the games, but it's not outside of believability. Why would Snake summon a Metal Gear for his FS anyways? He fights them, he isn't allied with the people that have them.

On the topic of Olimar, I just hope he doesn't play too gimmicky like I felt the Ice Climbers did in the last one. Could be a fun alternative to them, on the other hand, and that in itself has my interest. Can't imagine what his FS will be. Maybe the Pikmin swarm you in huge numbers?

Bigfoot

01-10-2008, 07:57 PM

Admiral_C

01-10-2008, 08:08 PM

They're adding Hiroshi Yamauchi...

The Author

01-10-2008, 08:21 PM

They are adding Squall Leonheart...

So...

Do you have a source for your delay allegation?

Arek the Absolute

01-10-2008, 08:25 PM

smash bros is delayed oh no oh no noooo oooooooh no

until the date changes on smashbros.com i dont believe it

megadave

01-10-2008, 08:29 PM

There's some rumor that Brawl is being pushed back to March.

"one video game store owner who claims to have received an email blast from his distributor alerting him to the delay"

They're adding Megaman.

I think that would be mega cool, yes I do. I wouldn't care how long they had to push it back, although this is a lie and it will be coming out Feb 10th.

By the way, I like to see colored text every once in a while.

Neonlare

01-10-2008, 08:38 PM

They're adding the Cheetahmen. All three of them.

Final_metroid

01-10-2008, 09:07 PM

Yoda and Darth Vader for Brawl

The Author

01-10-2008, 09:11 PM

If anything, Miis will be added.

Neo Samus

01-10-2008, 09:46 PM

I call bullshit on the delay. Someone is just trying to make nintendophiles panic on Internet Forums. People like that piss me off.

megadave

01-10-2008, 09:50 PM

^ Agreed. Either way, we still have Endless Ocean and No More Heroes coming out in a week or two.

TDKenyon

01-10-2008, 09:57 PM

They're adding Mario.

Kroze

01-11-2008, 12:53 AM

So it seems Shiek has been confirmed to be in Brawl along with a look at Zelda's Final Smash:

(The following is taken out of one of the cards from the CoroCoro Magazine)

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images2/56073063420080110143829.jpg
I don't have a proper translation, but Google Translate says:

>>> Zelda
>>> Love RANERU
>>> Wind FIRONE
>>> Flame ORUDIN
>>> TOWAIRAITOCHENJI (ORIJINARUTOWAIRAITO specifications Seek Metamorphosis)

>>> Last trump: archery light

Babel fish says, for the fourth one: "Flame twilight change (original twilight specification seeking transformation)"

So she probably will transform into something, but they've given it a TP-esque name.

I'm guessing Naryu's Love, Fanore's Wind, and Din's Flame/Fire. The same moves she's always had. My guess is those are the Japanese version of each goddess's name and therefore not translated.
And the whole "Transformation" basically confirms Sheik is in.

Darklink42

01-11-2008, 01:15 AM

So it seems Shiek has been confirmed to be in Brawl along with a look at Zelda's Final Smash:

(The following is taken out of one of the cards from the CoroCoro Magazine)

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images2/56073063420080110143829.jpg

I'm guessing Naryu's Love, Fanore's Wind, and Din's Flame/Fire. The same moves she's always had. My guess is those are the Japanese version of each goddess's name and therefore not translated.
And the whole "Transformation" basically confirms Sheik is in.
I don't know, Sheik isn't a TP character. And, as that's the basis for this iteration of Zelda, I find it hard to believe that she'd transform into a character that she never was. I won't be disappointed if Sheik doesn't appear either, because that was one of the most over powered characters Melee had. Nevertheless, from a game standpoint, I'd say that it doesn't seem likely. Could happen, but not likely.

Ninja edit: They're adding Phoenix Wright.

Cel Shaded

01-11-2008, 01:18 AM

Well, browsing about I noticed a few things as far as a roster goes, so I decided to make my own little roster thing a while back of my predictions.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6064/ssbbrosterrb0.png

Basically I truly believe we'll only get about 35 characters on a reasonable level, the unlockable ones in red. The additional green are others that may make it in if the rumored 40 is true, the ones in blue are like a personal taste, disregard those for whatever reasons.

Though I hate to say it, I don't think my mastered Falco is returning (at least not playable). So far there hasn't been much wrong with the icon theory holding a character for each icon, I'm led to believe the DS icon represents built-in software for both DS and Wii, this includes the Mii Channel. I personally do not see Ridley himself as playable. Not due to his size, but his build. Sakurai did mention others from the Metroid Prime Hunters series in his blog, which includes Sylux (and Weavel).

Bleck

01-11-2008, 01:51 AM

That roster is silly simply because you have Captain Falcon as an unlockable

Also Zelda's three B moves other than BDown have long been confirmed just by video footage

Aninymouse

01-11-2008, 02:14 AM

From Brawl Central (http://brawlcentral.com):

Zelda's four specials are listed on the front of the card as "Din's Fire, Nayru's Love, Farore's Wind, and Twilight Change." The thing is, Zelda doesn't have a twilight change in Twilight Princess. The translation for the final Special move reads: "Twilight Change (Original Twilight version of Shiek transformation)" A rough translation says "Twilight version Seek Transformation". Seek is the Japanese version of Shiek, so there ya go. We have multiple translators confirming this.

So what we have is Zelda's down B turning her into a totally new version of Shiek. Cool.

Those Light Arrows look a lot cooler than Pit's, I think. We're starting to get a lot of bows and swords, though.

Airwalker

01-11-2008, 02:15 AM

That roster is silly simply because you have Captain Falcon as an unlockable.

From the original Super Smash Brothers:

Unlock Captain Falcon

Beat the 1-Player game with any character on any diffculty in under 20 minutes. You will then fight Captain Falcon; if you win, you can play as Captain Falcon.

Zup

01-11-2008, 02:37 AM

If you guys haven't noticed yet, the four original unlockable characters have not been revealed. I believe all four are in and unlockable once more, just as a throwback to the original.

RTYPEpilot

01-11-2008, 02:37 AM

Though I hate to say it, I don't think my mastered Falco is returning (at least not playable). So far there hasn't been much wrong with the icon theory holding a character for each icon, I'm led to believe the DS icon represents built-in software for both DS and Wii, this includes the Mii Channel. I personally do not see Ridley himself as playable. Not due to his size, but his build. Sakurai did mention others from the Metroid Prime Hunters series in his blog, which includes Sylux (and Weavel).

I'm not entirely sure where you were going with the icon theory, but I don't think that's the case. There are multiple characters that share the same icon. Although I highly doubt they'd oust the Cap'n, they only have his icon on the site to represent the Samurai Goroh AT so far. If Goroh's in, then the F-Zero universe is being represented, so everyone should stop worrying about Falcon. Besides.... RED ALLOY.
The DS icon has only been associated with the Picto-chat stage so far, but I can't really think of purpose the DS would serve to the participants of a match. The game controls have already been announced. There could be spectator functions like showing real-time match statistics, but what else could it possibly do...? Any ideas?

I just think they're providing an icon for every major update that references an existing property.
To me the icon thing only really says that there are a few more things (not necessarily characters) to reveal that have icons attached to them. No big deal.

Gafgarion

01-11-2008, 02:40 AM

I like the way Ganondorf looks in that picture. Emphasizes his dark nature.

Cel Shaded

01-11-2008, 03:02 AM

I'm not entirely sure where you were going with the icon theory, but I don't think that's the case. There are multiple characters that share the same icon. Although I highly doubt they'd oust the Cap'n, they only have his icon on the site to represent the Samurai Goroh AT so far. If Goroh's in, then the F-Zero universe is being represented, so everyone should stop worrying about Falcon. Besides.... RED ALLOY.

Well, I did say Falco, not Captain Falcon. Though I am not entirely sure if you were directing that part of the response to me or not.

In regards to the "icon theory;" So far almost every major icon representing a franchise used in the game has a character (exceptions of Animal Crossing and DS). In Melee and 64 they didn't use any icon for anything that didn't have a character already representing the series. Hell, not even Mach Rider or Baloon Fight music had an icon in their updates (or like the game "X" in Brawl, related to the Smash symbol), they were just matched with similar stage they were on. So far this hasn't changed for Brawl, for all we know those two icons I mentioned previously still may have a character to correspond to those icons.

Even if they change the icons (which granted, they may), it would be a first for the series. As it stands now, there ain't no real reason to say it has changed.

Bleck

01-11-2008, 03:32 AM

From the original Super Smash Brothers:

Unlock Captain Falcon

Beat the 1-Player game with any character on any diffculty in under 20 minutes. You will then fight Captain Falcon; if you win, you can play as Captain Falcon.

He was unlockable in that game because the F-Zero series consisted of two games

Now that it's a full flagship series he is a front face character, not some guy nobody has heard of

Broken

01-11-2008, 03:38 AM

Bleck

01-11-2008, 04:16 AM

Being a well-known character has nothing to do with whether or not that character is unlockable. If that were the case, you'd never have to unlock pokemon, or most of the mario characters, ever again.

He is a face character

All of the unlockable characters in Melee were either secondary characters or characters from series that were not as popular as the others (Fire Emblem)

In SSB, it was the same deal, as Earthbound was a pretty cult game at that point and F Zero consisted of two games as opposed to like six or seven now

There is no reason for Falcon to be unlockable and the only argument the idiots who belive so have is the fact that he was in SSB, which is promptly disproven at any rate if you just read all of this post anyways

RTYPEpilot

01-11-2008, 04:43 AM

Well, I did say Falco, not Captain Falcon. Though I am not entirely sure if you were directing that part of the response to me or not.

In regards to the "icon theory;" So far almost every major icon representing a franchise used in the game has a character (exceptions of Animal Crossing and DS). In Melee and 64 they didn't use any icon for anything that didn't have a character already representing the series. Hell, not even Mach Rider or Baloon Fight music had an icon in their updates (or like the game "X" in Brawl, related to the Smash symbol), they were just matched with similar stage they were on. So far this hasn't changed for Brawl, for all we know those two icons I mentioned previously still may have a character to correspond to those icons.

Even if they change the icons (which granted, they may), it would be a first for the series. As it stands now, there ain't no real reason to say it has changed.

Oh crap. Sorry 'bout that. I was just kinda saying it to all the Falcon freaks. :)!!

True that Animal Crossing doesn't have it's own character (yet?), but what specific character could be represented by an icon for a system?
Mach Rider and Balloon Fight music... Was there a Melee site? 'Cause I don't see it on the English or the Japanese Dojo.

Zup

01-11-2008, 04:44 AM

He is a face character

All of the unlockable characters in Melee were either secondary characters or characters from series that were not as popular as the others (Fire Emblem)

In SSB, it was the same deal, as Earthbound was a pretty cult game at that point and F Zero consisted of two games as opposed to like six or seven now

There is no reason for Falcon to be unlockable and the only argument the idiots who belive so have is the fact that he was in SSB, which is promptly disproven at any rate if you just read all of this post anyways

I've already mentioned the secondary theory; none of the original four unlockable characters have been revealed. Therefore, as a throwback to the original Smash Brothers, all four are probably (easily) unlockable.

Bleck

01-11-2008, 04:45 AM

True that Animal Crossing doesn't have it's own character (yet?),

Tom Nook for Brawl

SoloGamer

01-11-2008, 04:46 AM

Was there a Melee site? 'Cause I don't see it on the English or the Japanese Dojo.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/flash/index.html

Moseph

01-11-2008, 04:51 AM

He is a face character

All of the unlockable characters in Melee were either secondary characters or characters from series that were not as popular as the others (Fire Emblem)

In SSB, it was the same deal, as Earthbound was a pretty cult game at that point and F Zero consisted of two games as opposed to like six or seven now

There is no reason for Falcon to be unlockable and the only argument the idiots who belive so have is the fact that he was in SSB, which is promptly disproven at any rate if you just read all of this post anyways

There had been four F-Zero games by the time Melee was released, including one that had been released earlier that year, and the Ice Climbers had only one game -- and it was an ancient one that few had played. If unlockable status was reserved for the secondaries and the relative unknowns, why then were the Ice Climbers chosen over Falcon to be starting characters?

atmuh

01-11-2008, 05:03 AM

falcon WAS a starting character you ballsack

Bleck

01-11-2008, 05:04 AM

There had been four F-Zero games by the time Melee was released, including one that had been released earlier that year, and the Ice Climbers had only one game -- and it was an ancient one that few had played. If unlockable status was reserved for the secondaries and the relative unknowns, why then were the Ice Climbers chosen over Falcon to be starting characters?

Because the Ice Climbers were supposed to represent old school NES games, and we're chosen over Baloon Fighter and Mach Rider

Airwalker

01-11-2008, 05:21 AM

Wow. I know I added some fuel to this argument, but let's take a step back.

I don't think there are any rules here. Sakurai could mix the characters together however he wants. Who's to stop him? He can make some unlockable and others starters. He can make as many or as few characters as he wants. He could completely forgo the existence of unlocking characters if he felt like it. (Not likely, but I'm just saying.) He could have decided to reveal the certain characters or not. Maybe he's holding back on Falcon and several other characters just to keep the interest piqued around the fans?

In any case, a month from now, all this speculation will just seem like a ridiculous series of arguments over however Nintendo's team feels like putting the game together.

It's fun to speculate, but... oh well. What can I say? We're here to waste time until the game comes out, huh.

Cel Shaded

01-11-2008, 05:23 AM

True that Animal Crossing doesn't have it's own character (yet?), but what specific character could be represented by an icon for a system?

Well, the DS icon may very well be a representing part of the built-in software of both Nintendo's newest consoles (DS and Wii), which includes music from the Shop Channel and what-have-you. My bet would be a Mii representing that icon.

Though playing your own Mii is nice and all, I think Sakurai should impose himself as said Mii.

RTYPEpilot

01-11-2008, 06:08 AM

Well, the DS icon may very well be a representing part of the built-in software of both Nintendo's newest consoles (DS and Wii), which includes music from the Shop Channel and what-have-you. My bet would be a Mii representing that icon.

Though playing your own Mii is nice and all, I think Sakurai should impose himself as said Mii.
I see what you guys mean, and don't get me wrong, I think playing with a Mii (mine or not) would be priceless. I just think it'd be more appropriate to use the Wii as the icon for the Mii. *shrugs*

I agree with Airwalker. I'm really not convinced that just 'cause there's an icon representing a property that means there will be a character from that property, BUT it'd be cool if you were right. :mrgreen:

JCvgluvr

01-11-2008, 06:11 AM

He could completely forgo the existence of unlocking characters if he felt like it. (Not likely, but I'm just saying.) .

Well, I'm glad you're just saying, and not being serious. After all, Sakurai himself has already confirmed unlockable characters:

When you have a battle mode that runs online like Basic Brawl, the problem of what to do with hidden characters arises. If one of your opponents chooses a character you haven’t unlocked yet, it will be spoiled for you immediately.
But even without this mode, given the proliferation of the Internet these days, the existence of hidden characters is going to get exposed anyway.
So, this time I’m moving in the direction of not being too hung up on hidden characters.
You can earn most characters by playing through Adventure Mode: The Subspace Emissary.Don't worry, I'm not berating you. Just setting the record straight! :-P

So, here's my Mii as a playable character idea:

Basically, you have 3 pre-set Mii types to pick from.

1) Speed
2) Normal
3) Power

Each type could have a typical, Mii-related moveset. But, you get to load your Mii in as the specific type you enjoy! This helps to maintain your individuality, as does your Mii's unique appearance (if you use the one that's supposed to look like yourself, that is). I find it uniquely appealing when games let Mii play/race/compete in olympics with my childhood Icons, don't you? Now, I'd like to fight them!

There's your create a character mode for Brawl! Any questions?

Cel Shaded

01-11-2008, 06:19 AM

I see what you guys mean, and don't get me wrong, I think playing with a Mii (mine or not) would be priceless. I just think it'd be more appropriate to use the Wii as the icon for the Mii. *shrugs*

I agree with Airwalker. I'm really not convinced that just 'cause there's an icon representing a property that means there will be a character from that property, BUT it'd be cool if you were right. :mrgreen:

I understand that, and I cannot say either you or Airwalker are wrong, cause even I don't know. However, it's a pretty safe assumption to speculate the Mii in of itself as a character.

Also, I do recall My Music DS game was planned to be released on DS around the time Wii was project revolution. It did contain Miis in the said game was well. Of course Nintendo and Sakurai himself knows a whole lot more than us as far as where Miis and icons go or mean. That still does help me feel a bit safer with my prediction. And if anything, I'd like to see a Mii model that takes a few pointers from the M&S Olympics model, like y'know, adding posable thumbs and fingers. =P If I had my way, I'd arm them with giant stylus pens.

Arek the Absolute

01-11-2008, 07:07 AM

Pikmin & Olimar moveset.
Figures as much.

Red Shadow

01-11-2008, 07:23 AM

hah! wonder how kirby will play after absorbing him

TheCatPhysician

01-11-2008, 07:24 AM

Mastertoku

01-11-2008, 07:32 AM

I was a bit skeptical of Olimar at first, but this actually looks like a fun playing style. Wonder what they mean about Pikmin getting separated, though.

Arek the Absolute

01-11-2008, 07:34 AM

[23:28] donuts: i see so many glitches that will come from this character
[23:28] me: he may be top tier or lowest
[23:28] me: there is no gray line for this guy

truth

FuriousFure

01-11-2008, 07:39 AM

I hope everyone is tiny and we're fighting in a huge garden and things will come at attack us. I also hope that its not another one of those floating battlefield's that land from time to time.

Arek the Absolute

01-11-2008, 07:40 AM

what the heck are you talking about

Amayirot Akago

01-11-2008, 07:48 AM

what the heck are you talking aboutOlimar's stage, perhaps?

RTYPEpilot

01-11-2008, 07:53 AM

GUYS I JUST GOT AN IDEA

for the mii characters, you could choose from several movesets for each specific mii to use. AND MAYBE since you can pick how fat or skinny your miis are, that will actually affect your weight and stuff.
I'm not sure I like the idea of a small, fast character using power moves...
I'd imagine that the body type you give your Mii would be the only factor determining the moveset.
If they really wanted to go for the Mii-fighter idea, they could make [9] (or however many they wanted) different movesets, one fitting each different combination of [3] height levels and [3] weight levels.

Just for a couple examples:
Heavy + tall = slow and powerful.
Light + average = fast and mid strength.
ETC...

Something like that.

I'm just saying there should be a standard if they incorporate something like that.
You pick the body type, they pick the abilities. Helps things stay not-broken.

what the heck are you talking about

Pikmin stage.

For being an idiot who hasn't even played the game, I find it funny that I knew what he was talking about. :wink:

Strike911

01-11-2008, 08:10 AM

love how this character will have it's own play style and mechanics. It's so different and it looks like it will be fun to mess around with the moves to see how they work. :)

Arek the Absolute

01-11-2008, 08:31 AM

I'm not sure I like the idea of a small, fast character using power moves...
I'd imagine that the body type you give your Mii would be the only factor determining the moveset.
If they really wanted to go for the Mii-fighter idea, they could make [9] (or however many they wanted) different movesets, one fitting each different combination of [3] height levels and [3] weight levels.

Just for a couple examples:
Heavy + tall = slow and powerful.
Light + average = fast and mid strength.
ETC...

Something like that.

I'm just saying there should be a standard if they incorporate something like that.
You pick the body type, they pick the abilities. Helps things stay not-broken.

Pikmin stage.

For being an idiot who hasn't even played the game, I find it funny that I knew what he was talking about. :wink:
idiots think alike

nookster

01-11-2008, 08:51 AM

He plays exactly like I hoped he would. Except that the pikmins don't do one of damage on impact, but instead, latch on. Which is even cooler (and closer to the game)
This is among the coolest things that have been anounced for the game for me :D

EDIT:
And I think the mii character is plausible, if simpler then most people think. Just one character, with set character traits, that looks the same as the mii that is your favorite.

RTYPEpilot

01-11-2008, 08:52 AM

idiots think alike
Always good for a laugh. :)!!

Ray Falling

01-11-2008, 09:57 AM

hah! wonder how kirby will play after absorbing him

Technically, Kirby wouldn't be able to use Pikmin right? Since he adopts the standard special move of the character he sucks up, which is Pikmin Pluck in Olimar's case, there is no way he can actually throw them. Pikmin throw is the side special move...

0_0;

Arek the Absolute

01-11-2008, 10:06 AM

he more than likely will just throw a random pikmin

Tables

01-11-2008, 11:08 AM

It's going to be pretty confusing with more then one Olimar, since they didn't have the inspiration to do something like lighten or darken a different players Pikmin.

I love the whole throwing and latching thing, seems like we have a good character here.

RTYPEpilot

01-11-2008, 11:43 AM

he more than likely will just throw a random pikmin
More than likely. At this point I just can't wait to see:

1)A four-Olimar Brawl.
2)Kirby with a big space bubble surrounding everything but is feet—but it'll probably just end up being the glowing bobble thing that's attached to the bubble.
3)Pikmin stage(s).

Disclaimer: List not ranked.

HideousBeing

01-11-2008, 02:42 PM

More than likely. At this point I just can't wait to see:

1)A four-Olimar Brawl.

Laaaaaaaaaaaaag.

RTYPEpilot

01-11-2008, 03:55 PM

Laaaaaaaaaaaaag.

Soooooooooo?

Cel Shaded

01-11-2008, 04:11 PM

Looking at Olimar's Specials, it looks as if he may be getting more out of his Pikmin's power in his normal attacks than his specials. Seems to me most of his specials are geared towards his survivability while he may use his Pikmin to bat away people (like Mario in the first announcement) in his normal fray of attacks, enhanced by the Pikmin he'd currently wields.

Neo Samus

01-11-2008, 04:32 PM

Sorry to go slightly off topic but I had to post this.

Prepare to cream your pants!!!

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6527131&sourceid=35343330411815755716

Red Shadow

01-11-2008, 05:02 PM

hahaha, wow

MechaFone

01-11-2008, 05:09 PM

...doubtful...we'll just have to wait and see what comes up on my credit card = \

Airwalker

01-11-2008, 05:13 PM

Sorry to go slightly off topic but I had to post this.

Prepare to cream your pants!!!

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6527131&sourceid=35343330411815755716

=D Done and done, good sir!

The only unfortunate thing is that with the $2 shipping, it can take a little over a week to arrive. (Though, I've found those shipping dates to be worst-case-scenario estimates.) So, an extra week without Brawl, oh noes. I better make sure a friend is getting it right away.

Neo Samus

01-11-2008, 05:23 PM

I know. I'm still debating if I should pre-order......I think my fiancé is gonna get it for me on Valentine's Day. Damn these decisions!!!

This is not the only game either. DMC 4 (360 only) is going for $40 and Condemmed 2 is $20.

pacman712

01-11-2008, 05:33 PM

Boooooooo, they already changed it. Checkout price: $22, order confirmation price: $55.

Airwalker

01-11-2008, 05:42 PM

If it wasn't a typo, then I figure they probably placed a limit on the number they'd sell at that price. It just got on the frontpage of Digg about an hour ago, so they probably went through them all.

I don't think it was a typo though. They have a rather large sale on all types of Pre-order games at the moment.

BTW:
This links to all of the sale-items. They have some decent 360 games. http://slickdeals.net/?permadeal=11334#direct_deal_11334

Cel Shaded

01-11-2008, 06:26 PM

Sorry to go slightly off topic but I had to post this.

Prepare to cream your pants!!!

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6527131&sourceid=35343330411815755716

Screw that, I'm going to be laughing all the way to my mailbox chock full of PlayAsia delivery for my JPN Wii.

I'll get an American version for my other Wii on Feb 10th.

Neo Samus

01-11-2008, 06:48 PM

Damn! The link is broken now....I should have ordered it. Oh well, just a couple more weeks then we can finally play it!

Ok, this is weird. The link is broken, but when I search for smash bros., it still shows 19.82 on the search results page. But I can't view the page, says product not found.

Steben

01-11-2008, 08:08 PM

Technically, Kirby wouldn't be able to use Pikmin right? Since he adopts the standard special move of the character he sucks up, which is Pikmin Pluck in Olimar's case, there is no way he can actually throw them. Pikmin throw is the side special move...

0_0;

Hopefully Kirby will copy all the special moves of a character rather than just the standard special. Kirby Superstar set a precedent for Kirby having multiple attacks for each ability that I wouldn't mind seeing in Smash.

Penfold

01-11-2008, 08:11 PM

HELL YEAH CAPT. OLIMAR!!!!! That makes me so happy not only that he's in the game, but that he's playable. Now they just need to announce a Pikmin Thwii...

Scufo

01-12-2008, 02:26 AM

The latching thing is going to be so annoying. Think Lip's Stick but fucking CONSTANTLY. I guess the object would be to make Olimar run down his Pikmin count before taking him on.

I'm really starting to realize just how dynamic he's gonna be. You gotta catch him before he builds up a force, then keep on him so he can't escape. Of course this wouldn't be too hard in 1-on-1's, but in team battles or free for alls he could easily keep all 6 Pikmin, which gives him crazy recovery. But then again he has worse-than-Yoshi recovery with none. I'm really loving this whole power fluctuation thing. Much kudos to Sakurai.

Yeah I'm playing Olimar first.

friendlyHunter

01-12-2008, 02:26 AM

Laaaaaaaaaaaaag.

OH LORD, 24 things on the screen - SURELY the Wii cannot handle an unprecendented TWENTY-FOUR Pikmin at the SAME TIME!!! Wait - 28 things including the four Olimars, and maybe even more things if there are some items...! I hear there's a Wii game with almost FIFTY things at the same time - apparently it runs at 5 frames per second on the Wii, but the PS2 version it can sometimes reach 18 FPS!

I kid. But really, those things are so low-poly, the N64 could probably handle 60 of them just fine. In Pikmin weren't there hundreds of those guys?

And if you're talking about 4 Olimars online, that's another story. A story which ends with: "And the 4 anonymous Olimars played happily ever after for two minutes, with no noticeable increase in lag whatsoever. The end."

Hopefully Kirby will copy all the special moves of a character rather than just the standard special. Kirby Superstar set a precedent for Kirby having multiple attacks for each ability that I wouldn't mind seeing in Smash.
Hopefully yes, but... the Dojo update already said otherwise:
He’s able to copy an enemy’s ability (by which I mean, their standard special move) and use it as his own.
Waaaaait... he didn't say that you don't ALSO copy their other moves!! (>'O')>

Airwalker

01-12-2008, 02:36 AM

So, Wal-Mart just sent me an e-mail telling me that "my request" to cancel the Smash Brothers order is being processed.

Too good to be true! Oh well. Best case scenario: I would get the game for $20. Worst Case, I got my money back. :?

Penfold

01-12-2008, 02:54 AM

JCvgluvr

01-12-2008, 07:57 AM

Well, I'm not sure if I should be flattered that a poster or two ripped off of my Mii idea. In any case, let the record show I came up with it first (or started it up again, if it was thought of before many posts ago). :P

But after today, I'm actually looking forward to using the (really) little guy. Olimar seems like he's got enough variety to satisfy anyone. And did you see his tether recovery? It looks like he gets the longest one (so far).

I too wonder how his B move is gonna work with Kirby...

[insert suspense here]

atmuh

01-12-2008, 08:02 AM

let the record show I came up with it first (or started it up again, if it was thought of before many posts ago). :P

holy crap do you you realize how incredibly meaningless you are to this thread

FuriousFure

01-12-2008, 08:08 AM

holy crap do you you realize how incredibly meaningless you are to this thread

dramatic irony +1

atmuh

01-12-2008, 08:16 AM

FuriousFure

01-12-2008, 08:33 AM

just because im not a gleeful fanboy faggot any most of my discussions about the game have been regarding the negative aspects that all of you love to overlook and justify doesnt discount what i said as invalid

Ignorant and poor sentence structure? We've got ourselves a WINNER!

oh and yeah, I was talking about the/a pikmin stage earlier.

It wasn't terribly clear but I'm glad there is a couple other idiots out there that understood. :P

TheCatPhysician

01-12-2008, 08:39 AM

ITT pretentious fags.

let's get out of here atma

Mr Jarna

01-12-2008, 09:49 AM

ITT pretentious fags.

let's get out of here atma

And go to GameFAQs? I appreciate atma's posts, if only because they do help me keep from sending all my money to Sakurai the Perfect, but gimme pretentious people over GameFAQs any day.

To stay on topic, though - Olimar's recovery is a BEAST, indeed. However, if the opponents can kill your Pikmin directly, doesn't it become less useful? I wonder if the Pikmin can be killed directly?

Also this topic deserves a FALCON PAUNCH. Because it's so huge mirite.

Arek the Absolute

01-12-2008, 10:22 AM

all of you who just tried to flame atma and "prove" their worth to this thread only proved that they are each an idiot

lurk more
stop posting
learn how the forums work

this isn't gamefaqs.

Ignorant and poor sentence structure? We've got ourselves a WINNER!

oh and yeah, I was talking about the/a pikmin stage earlier.

It wasn't terribly clear but I'm glad there is a couple other idiots out there that understood. :P

god you are stupid
And go to GameFAQs? I appreciate atma's posts, if only because they do help me keep from sending all my money to Sakurai the Perfect, but gimme pretentious people over GameFAQs any day.

To stay on topic, though - Olimar's recovery is a BEAST, indeed. However, if the opponents can kill your Pikmin directly, doesn't it become less useful? I wonder if the Pikmin can be killed directly?

Also this topic deserves a FALCON PAUNCH. Because it's so huge mirite.

you really don't get it either

for the sake of this thread and for those of us who actually know how things are here, lock this thread until the game comes out.

nookster

01-12-2008, 11:46 AM

Don't know if somebody already opted it. But regarding the whole kirby olimar thing. I think, as kirby, the first B push wil pull a pikmin out of the ground. The second will throw it. Than you have to pull out one again. Little bit of context sensitive B

Dunther

01-12-2008, 01:17 PM

They totally copied my idea of how Olimar can be a playable character....that's good!

Drack

01-12-2008, 02:05 PM

CoroCoro cards were released in Japan.

They confirm this, which we didn't already know:

-Zelda's final smash is Light Arrow(s). Her down-B was not listed on the card.
-Wario's up-B is Corkscrew.
-Charizard's up-B is Fly.

Red Shadow

01-12-2008, 03:07 PM

gimme pretentious people over GameFAQs any day

HA!

what do you think gamefaqs is

FuriousFure

01-12-2008, 05:02 PM

all of you who just tried to flame atma and "prove" their worth to this thread only proved that they are each an idiot

why so angry? I just enjoyed the HUGE irony of Atma telling someone else that they didn't matter to this thread.

Like anyone does! no singular individual makes or breaks this thread.

as for "flaming" Atma, Its just when someone uses the word "faggot" out of context,

I find that person to be ignorant and

I'd have a hard time of taking him or her serious.

BeleagueredandBeset

01-12-2008, 05:20 PM

Come now, come now. This is a message board about a game, not a war.

Olimar seems like a pretty hard character to use... But he looks like a lot of fun. Smacking people with small colorful creatures is an idea that instills joy into my soul.

JCvgluvr

01-12-2008, 06:26 PM

HA!

what do you think gamefaqs is

Lol, no kidding. I personally have spent a good amount of time cruising the GameFAQs Brawl board, and this thread only manages to be slightly more intelligent.

Don't flatter yourselves, OCremix Brawl thread...

But yeah, less war, more Brawl talk, okay?

*Waves to Atma*

You know, I support ranked online wi-fi play. You're not the only one.

Imagery

01-12-2008, 06:33 PM

You know, I support ranked online wi-fi play. You're not the only one.

I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't "support" ranked online wi-fi (herro redundancy??) play. It's just that for most of us, "support" doesn't translate to "bitch about the lack of in a venue like an OCR thread where it does nothing but offend some fanboys and piss some others off." But see, if any of you knew wtf was going on, you would most certainly know that we came to terms with this over 100 years ago and appropriately either ignored atma or at least anything he says on certain subjects, so... um yeah, /agree with Arek. gtfo.

The Derrit

01-12-2008, 07:52 PM

Lol, no kidding. I personally have spent a good amount of time cruising the GameFAQs Brawl board, and this thread only manages to be slightly more intelligent.

Well we were doing a pretty good job til you showed up. srsly. Congrats on the de-evolution of this thread.

Arek the Absolute

01-12-2008, 08:06 PM

Lol, no kidding. I personally have spent a good amount of time cruising the GameFAQs Brawl board, and this thread only manages to be slightly more intelligent.

Don't flatter yourselves, OCremix Brawl thread...

But yeah, less war, more Brawl talk, okay?

*Waves to Atma*

You know, I support ranked online wi-fi play. You're not the only one.

way to be pretentious, newb

!Nekko!

01-12-2008, 08:15 PM

I like turtles!

Eulogic

01-12-2008, 08:18 PM

This thread has never really been all that good, especially when compared to the old Smash thread. The ratio of people who know what they're talking about to those who don't is much worse, and those who do don't seem to have much control over the thread.

Aninymouse

01-12-2008, 08:58 PM

This thread has been donkey punched to hell by people who can't take their eyes off their e-penis. Argh.

So, we find out that thealmightygoat is a total waste of time, finally and officially. He put on a good show, though. Guy's got talent, stringing along so many people. Hell, some of his middle posts seemed really convincing to me at first. I think all these attention whore "prophet" kids need to stfu, though, seriously. At this point, I'd wager the REAL info won't be available - at the earliest - until the day before the Japanese launch. Hong Kong always gets it first, and they're prett good about spilling beans.

At least, that's what happened when Pokemon D/P came out.

[/textwall]

Bleck

01-12-2008, 09:05 PM

I like turtles!

=D

alsotenchars

Aninymouse

01-12-2008, 09:36 PM

I suddenly feel like listening to Turd Surfers atm.

Trenthian

01-12-2008, 10:09 PM

Strike911

01-12-2008, 10:22 PM

you know, at first when everyone was like, "This thread is starting to suck" I didn't really get it... but now that I've read the last 20 posts I think it clicked, and now I'm sad.

Screw you all that led to this demise. May you argue about the ownership of improbable Mii character ideas until the end of time.

Good day.

Arek the Absolute

01-12-2008, 10:31 PM

I really say we lock this up until brawl comes out. I planned on making a new thread for this anyways, considering that this one sucked and has like a billion posts in it already.

If you guys wish to continue conversations about brawl, definitely join #clanocr *server- enterthegame* on irc. Everyone is welcome.

Bahamut

01-12-2008, 11:45 PM

I'm locking this thread as it has degenerated into banal predictions for a game that is coming out in not even a month. Once the game is out, then someone can make a new thread on it, but until then, this is off limits.

This is not GameFAQs. If you want to do that stuff, then go there. Otherwise, I'd advise lurking more. In addition, there has been some unnecessary flaming & language in here by some (looking the past two pages, FuriousFure & Atma) - I don't want to see that again, this will be the only warning on that subject.