Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[ILLiterate]

If you play as Kirby in SSBM, I'm sorry, he's so nerfed, but you can do a few things

1. Get near the edge and inhale someone, quickly jump off and fall for a bit, spit them out, jump up back to the stage and they'll either fall or you can edgehog to kill them
2. If you have more lives than the opponent and you know you'll die soon, do some damage to them (about 20%) then get near as close to the edge as you can with you facing the middle of the stage (do this by getting near the edge and do a roll "off the stage", you won't fall off but you'll get as close to the edge as possible). Grab them and push the back or away direction and you'll kamikaze off the stage killing both of you (great if you have 2 stocks and they only have one)
3. Don't use his b-attacks, other than for recovery purposes or sucking someone in and spitting them off the stage
4. Use his air attacks often especally d-air (l cancel into grabs), b-air (GREAT Knockback), u-air (good move, good knockback), try and avoid the f-air unless you know you'll hit at least two of the kicks

For more REAL info from REAL Kirby players, check out his sub-forum in www.smashboards.com

[Rambo]

Samus's charge shot looks almost exactly like it does in metroid, so I don't know what your problem is with that one.

I'm going to assume he means the size, fact she can't move while charging, and the ability to save it for whenever she so desires.... but I don't personally see these as being inappropriate differences. Like it's already been said, it's to create new elements of game play.

As far as I'm concerned, the moves were based off the characters, and their traits. All games and characters evolve as new additions to series are released. There are A LOT of new concepts introduce to SSB and especially SSBM... but that's because it's an entirely different game style from where the characters originated. And moreover, the designers have more freedom, especially if the last appearance was on an older platform (game and watch). I mean, he never even fought! So his presence wouldn't be very impressive if all he could do was walk around and choose which animation to perform.

It would be different if they arbitrarily assigned characters foreign abilities (like if Mario had NEVER been seen with a cape) and I know thats been done for some moves, but on the whole, there was very little. And sure Ganondorf never did a warlock punch in past games, but again, he didnt do a whole lot. He DID however have a fist... and he has the ability to use magic... so its not as though its absolutely garbage.

Anyway, games and their characters develop and evolve. If people didn't want that, no copies of Mario golf, kart, tennis, etc. would sell. Peach adopted 2 of her three smash moves through those games! The other was birthed in Mario RPG, in which (like all RPGs) there were many different selectable weapons, and they couldn't possibly limit those to past games... since peach only ever picked up and threw turnips before that.

If the characters were all pulled solely from their original appearances... most would have 0 - 3 attacks. Aaaand... I forget exactly what it is I'm trying to argue.. so I'll stop. :-P

[chrono26]

If you play as Kirby in SSBM, I'm sorry, he's so nerfed, but you can do a few things

like the kirby-korner ;) except you'll get your ass handed to you if you try it on a really good player.

[!Nekko!]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/ANinyMouse/1158464435214sy7.jpg

Kirby eated the moon oh noes!
Nice sack.

[HideousBeing]

And whoever was saying that "Kirby would suck up Meta-Knight and become Meta-Knight!!!" no, you're wrong, that was dumb. Two completely different characters, Kirby would only have his neutral b move, and as we all should know, most neutral b moves are complete crap compared to the rest of that characters movesYou misunderstood. I didn't mean that Kirby's move set would become Meta Knight's, I meant that the costume Kirby would acquire would make him look like meta knight, because Meta Knight, without his apparel, is actually just a blue kirby.

[ILLiterate]

A blue, more awesome Kirby

[Rambo]

That Kirby is absolutely terrifying... Nightmarishly so. Christ....
And I'm glad Meta-Knight wears a mask... because I doubt he'd be nearly as menacing and cool with a chubby blue Kirby face...

[HideousBeing]

Here is a sprite sheet from TSR (The Spriters Resource) of Meta Knight. I have highlighted with a box the sprites where Kirby cuts Meta Knight's mask in half, and the "blue kirby" beneath is revealed.
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/MetaKnight.gif

[The Mutericator]

Here is a sprite sheet from TSR (The Spriters Resource) of Meta Knight. I have highlighted with a box the sprites where Kirby cuts Meta Knight's mask in half, and the "blue kirby" beneath is revealed.
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/MetaKnight.gif

Oh ROFL, I know the guy who made that sprite sheet from a completely unrelated forum.

[Tenucha]

It's all about the Luigi!

[FuriousFure]

And whoever was saying that "Kirby would suck up Meta-Knight and become Meta-Knight!!!" no, you're wrong, that was dumb. Two completely different characters, Kirby would only have his neutral b move, and as we all should know, most neutral b moves are complete crap compared to the rest of that characters moves

Ah.... You should really take it EazyP, as in Chill.

I was agreeing with he who brought up Kirby's appearance would have to look extremely similar to Meta-Knight's ecspecially if you chose a Blue Kirby from the Costume Screen.

I was the one who proposed that particular concept. as in, I thought it would sure make things more hectic in battle but I didn't and still don't think that would be the case in Brawl.

But in all seriousness, You should really take it down a notch... or two.

[chrono26]

It's all about the Luigi!

flamming dragon punch and head-butt bitches

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Luigi is definitely fun to play, and can play some killer mindgames.

[Ray Falling]

*sigh* I tried playing SSBM again but for some reason I can't get into it anymore...at all! It's effing frustrating. Maybe it's cause I'm just so tired and I get easily irritated but I really get the feeling that the cpu AI is horribly unfair.
They know they have to grab me the second before I even know I'm going to use the shield and all cpu attacks are always faster than mine 0_0. Maybe I'm just looking for excuses as to why I suck so bad at the game now, but it sure aint what it used to be.

I don't know how them pro-people do it. Maybe it's just some kind of talent you need to have which I don't.

*sigh again*

Games haven't been fun for me lately, I don't know why. DBZ Wii was a horrible let down.
I'm just getting too old for this crap ;_; give me a good game again!

[HideousBeing]

*sigh* I tried playing SSBM again but for some reason I can't get into it anymore...at all! It's effing frustrating. Maybe it's cause I'm just so tired and I get easily irritated but I really get the feeling that the cpu AI is horribly unfair.
They know they have to grab me the second before I even know I'm going to use the shield and all cpu attacks are always faster than mine 0_0. Maybe I'm just looking for excuses as to why I suck so bad at the game now, but it sure aint what it used to be.

I don't know how them pro-people do it. Maybe it's just some kind of talent you need to have which I don't.

*sigh again*

Games haven't been fun for me lately, I don't know why. DBZ Wii was a horrible let down.
I'm just getting too old for this crap ;_; give me a good game again!If you're referring to having difficulty taking computer players. All it takes is hours of practice. You start to recognize patterns soon and in time, the computer players will be extremely predictable. Practice, practice, practice.

[JoeFu]

Playing SSBM just makes me want SSBB even more. I played again yesterday, just with random characters against my friend. I can't wait for SSBB, I hope more characters are going to be revealed soon. So far we only know 10 people right?

[Ray Falling]

If you're referring to having difficulty taking computer players. All it takes is hours of practice. You start to recognize patterns soon and in time, the computer players will be extremely predictable. Practice, practice, practice.

Well the thing is, I used to play this game every day since I got it and I got pretty good at it.
I'm just horribly out of practice. I do know all the moves etc.

The computer isnt even that predictable, but they don't play "fun", They just wack you with random attacks. Sometimes I can't even land a hit 0_0.
Thats why I wish I had actual people to play againts "back in the day". That would have been much more fun.


Oh well, hopefully I'll get better at SSBB when it comes out.

[The Mutericator]

Playing SSBM just makes me want SSBB even more. I played again yesterday, just with random characters against my friend. I can't wait for SSBB, I hope more characters are going to be revealed soon. So far we only know 10 people right?


Mario, Link, Pikachu, Kirby, Samus, Fox, Snake, Wario, Pit, MetaKnight.

[HideousBeing]

Mario, Link, Pikachu, Kirby, Samus, Fox, Snake, Wario, Pit, MetaKnight.
Luigi will probably be a hidden character again in Brawl. Even though he is Mario's closest counterpart, he is -since the first game- a hidden character always. All of the hidden characters that were on SSB showed up as unhidden characters in SSBM, except for Luigi.
Or do you have to unlock Jigglypuff? I can't remember it was so long ago that I unlocked all the characters...

[Effector]

Luigi will probably be a hidden character again in Brawl. Even though he is Mario's closest counterpart, he is -since the first game- a hidden character always. All of the hidden characters that were on SSB showed up as unhidden characters in SSBM, except for Luigi.
Or do you have to unlock Jigglypuff? I can't remember it was so long ago that I unlocked all the characters...

Falcon and Ness weren't secret in SSBM. Luigi and Jigglypuff both were again, though.

[Ray Falling]

I'm curious about the characters too of course but I'm really really curious about the extra game modes (if any) :)

I thought the addition of all-star mode and adventure mode was really good. Made for a lot of extra hours of fun.
The missions thing was amazing too. Especially since you have to work hard to unlock them all so it's not like you'll be done in one afternoon of playing.

I'm hoping for a lot of extra modes as well as the trophy thing, only many many more.
Anything less, game modes wise, than SSBM is a step back in my opinion.

[JoeFu]

I'm hoping adventure mode will be character specific, or at least series specific. I also hope it is more fleshed out this time, like longer levels or something. It was really fun playing the first level on adventure mode, but the Zelda one sucked.

[HideousBeing]

O.K. I'd like to hear some speculation about the nature of Brawl when it is put on the Wi-Fi. Does anyone have any insight on how they may organize the system?

Here's what I'm wondering:

-Will there be ratings (i.e. stats)?
-If there are ratings, will the more skilled players be pitted against the more skilled players, and the less skilled players be pitted against the less skilled players? Basically, will players compete against players of their difficulty level?
-Will you be able to choose the games you play in? (Like StarCraft allows)?
-Or will you be able to only specify the settings and stages you would like (Like WarCraft III allows)?
-Will you be able to play ladder?
-Will there be tournaments that can be played online?
-Will Nintendo be able to add patches to fix bugs via the Wi-Fi?

I'm dying of anticipation here, so hopefully we'll know more soon. Anyway, what does everyone think about this? How will this be set up? Please post your thoughts or more questions that we may be wondering about.

[Ray Falling]

I'm hoping adventure mode will be character specific, or at least series specific. I also hope it is more fleshed out this time, like longer levels or something. It was really fun playing the first level on adventure mode, but the Zelda one sucked.

I like that idea. :)
I guess adventure mode lacked a little because the game is intended to be a fighting game, cross-genres often don't work well. In this case the platform part could have been better.

Each character having their own rivals as second to last boss would be cool too me thinks.

[Kiyosuki]

My biggest hope is for Simon Belmont. They already have one Konami character in there and it doesn't seem like something either they nor Igarashi would have a huge problem with, although I don't know that for sure of course.

I just think right along with Pitt, Simon would make a great throwback character to throw in there. When you think of all the old Nintendo games, Castlevania is just one of the ones on the list. A good idea someone told me too is that he could be a subtle algamation of the other Belmonts via moves etc. Maybe even his alternate "colors" could be Richter (Dracula X was ported on the SNES remember, albiet not in the best way.), Trevor/Ralph, and Julius. Although I think that may be a bit much, just Simon would be good enough for me.

For moves, something they could do is make it so he could have 4 of the classic Castlevania weapons, and he could switch between them somehow...probably by using a B motion. I think this would be a neat setup.

B - Subweapon use, can be charged for slight additional results. (throws 3 knives at once, Axe goes higher/arc is bigger or something, Cross goes further and faster, Holy Water's fire is bigger etc.)
Forward B - Subweapon switch. A small box on top of Simon's percentage shows whats chosen. Selection is of course, Dagger, Axe, Cross, Holy Water (I imagine Stop Watchwould be a bit broken. It'd make a good item in general for everyone).
Up B - Spear Thrust. Simon's third jump (Its Richter's "uppercut" move)
Down B - Slide. If done in the air it becomes that snazzy kick that darts straight down. (Its a bit similar to Falcon Kick I guess aesthetically but it could function completely different.)

For Super Smashes or whatever they are, he could use an Item Crash depending on the subweapon thats currently chosen. That or just fire up the whip.

[FuriousFure]

It's all about the Luigi!

fo'sho, thats how I beat Giga Bowser, Mewtwo, and Ganondorf on #51


Karate chop action! hyyah!

[HideousBeing]

One thing I'm kind of wondering about Brawl is what will the theme be? In SSB, there was dolls of the characters, on SSBM, little trophies. What form will the characters take in Brawl?

[atmuh]

One thing I'm kind of wondering about Brawl is what will the theme be? In SSB, there was dolls of the characters, on SSBM, little trophies. What form will the characters take in Brawl?

UFOshttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c326/ATMAandOFFERING/1234512.jpg

[Red Shadow]

marionettes

[Oddllama]

Sex toys .

[Kiyosuki]

photographs of the trophies

[Cerrax]

O.K. I'd like to hear some speculation about the nature of Brawl when it is put on the Wi-Fi. Does anyone have any insight on how they may organize the system?

Here's what I'm wondering:

-Will there be ratings (i.e. stats)?
-If there are ratings, will the more skilled players be pitted against the more skilled players, and the less skilled players be pitted against the less skilled players? Basically, will players compete against players of their difficulty level?

I believe Nintendo has already said there won't be an option to match up players by skill level. Something about too much developement time has been wasted already or something.

[Hector]

Too much development time to match up players by skill? That seems a bit bogus. Though it might be somewhat difficult to match players up by skill initially, once done the same system could be done with little modificaiton for a wide variety of games. Hell, they could probably sub-contract some bored college kids to build a system that's quite reliable.

[HideousBeing]

Too much development time to match up players by skill? That seems a bit bogus. Though it might be somewhat difficult to match players up by skill initially, once done the same system could be done with little modificaiton for a wide variety of games. Hell, they could probably sub-contract some bored college kids to build a system that's quite reliable.Seriously. Nintendo is not inexperienced in this field. Take Metroid Prime: Hunters. That has a rating system doesn't it? What I don't know, not having a DS myself, is if they match players according to rank on Hunters.

[Brushfire]

If only Nintendo were to "borrow" a certain live service and make it their own.

[Cerrax]

As far as Wi-Fi play is concerned, Sakurai has confirmed some functionality. However, as stated in the Toukouken on the Japanese version of the Smash Bros. website, "there would be many hurdles to cross," and an online ranking system is unlikely to be implemented.

10 characters :P

[HideousBeing]

Well, we can at least hope that they'll make patches...:-(

[Brushfire]

10 characters :P


Wasn't there supposed to be like 40 or somethin?

[HideousBeing]

Wasn't there supposed to be like 40 or somethin?
No one knows yet how many there will be. There is currently 10 characters that have been anounced and we know will appear on the game. The rest of the original characters we can only guess, as well as the promising hidden characters.

[linkspast]

10 characters :P

Wasn't there supposed to be like 40 or somethin?

No one knows yet how many there will be. There is currently 10 characters that have been anounced and we know will appear on the game. The rest of the original characters we can only guess, as well as the promising hidden characters.

I think he was getting past the 10 character minimum.

[FuriousFure]

Hey, do you think they'll have Waluigi as a hidden character to go along with Wario?

speaking of which, Wario is not the Gameboy Adventure Games Wario, he's the Wario Ware wario. so i wonder what moves he'll have, wiil he have some classic moves like...

Putting a Bucket on a person's head

The Tackle attack from his WarioLand games

you see some moves in the trailers but barely all of them. please, please let his recovery by gas related!

[chrono26]

i think wario has a fart attack called the 'wario waft' or something. or maybe i'm making stuff up, i cant remeber. waluigi would be kinda cool i guess but there's enough mario characters in my opinon. unless you put in like toad or someone, i dont want to see too many more characters from the mario universe. or maybe bullet bill. or the line backer guy. or iggy. or the pow block. but he's not really a charecter huh?

[HideousBeing]

i think wario has a fart attack called the 'wario waft' or something. or maybe i'm making stuff up,
Wario Waft is the correct (tentative) term.
http://www.smashbros.com/en/characters/chara4/index.html

[FuriousFure]

yeah you're totally right! thats his special brawl thingie but I'd think it'd be strange to leave his gas only to his special move

But how about something with yoshi, that if you chose a different color in the selection screen. that those different colors (blue, yellow, red) would have minimal but differing gameplay.

For example,

The Red would shoot fire out of his mouth instead of throwing eggs or doing the smash A headbutt

The Yellow would suffer a smaller jump but shoot sand both ways injuring those around him when landing

The Blue would Lose some power or have NO recovery (not even eggs) but have a really high Jump or have a forth jump


Second'd for Simon Belmont

[dsx100]

Haven't posted in awhile so forgive me for late responses.

First, about the whole Wi-Fi thing, I am sure that Nintendo will have a ranking systems which will allow you to play characters of you rank. Metroid Prime hunters does it so why can't they put it into SSBB. Tournaments are certainly possible but if it is anything like Mario Strikers Charged then it would be up to Nintendo to hold them. Also if it will be anything like MP: Hunters and MarioKart DS, the matches will be agianst random opponents. You won't be able the pick the matches like in Starcraft. So it will most likely be more like Warcraft where they pick the match you play in.

Second, I would love to see Wario use some moves from his platformers especially the tackle and butt slam (don't know the proper name). Waluigi would be realy cool to add. It makes perfect since to add him in my opinion. He will basically be Wario's Luigi. He could jump higher, slide further, and have some similar moves to Wario.

Third, I hate to bring this up agian but, I just don't honestly see what is so wrong with Kirby in SSBM. I know he got nurfed a lot but I just don't see it. I actually kick even more ass with Melee Kirby than I ever did with original Kirby. I just don't see why people find it so suprising that Kirby is my best character. He has like the best recovery in whole game. My friends know better and now they get all tense when I pick him. So forgive me for still liking Kirby equally (if not more) in SSBM.

Finally, I justed wanted to know what you guys think about the music in Brawl. This is OCR after all and I am sure most us listen to the music on this site. I personally want more themes from the games. The Dark World theme would be cool to hear in some form or another. The Brinstar Red Soil area music would be cool to though I don't know if it would fit well into a game that is as fast paced as SSBB. A face paced techno themed Super Mario World Overwolrd theme would be cool for a new Mario stage. Any way, does anyone else have any ideas music wise for Brawl.

[The Derrit]

at the same time, any hardcore smash player will tell you that you have to be there, with the person you're playing. over the internet would just lose some of the meaning of a good battle, so personally even if its just tagged on i won't mind too much. as long as there's normal vs. i'm ok with it.

[Cerrax]

Finally, I justed wanted to know what you guys think about the music in Brawl. This is OCR after all and I am sure most us listen to the music on this site. I personally want more themes from the games. The Dark World theme would be cool to hear in some form or another. The Brinstar Red Soil area music would be cool to though I don't know if it would fit well into a game that is as fast paced as SSBB. A face paced techno themed Super Mario World Overwolrd theme would be cool for a new Mario stage. Any way, does anyone else have any ideas music wise for Brawl.

I'm very excited to see how the music will turn out in Brawl. With a full orchestra and opera choir, its going to be very epic. I too hope that more than just main themes are given as music. I mean you can only do Zelda's theme so many ways. Give it a rest and do something like the Dark World, or forfeit Brinstar from Medtroid for Super Metroid's Norfair theme. I think Melee was already moving in this direction with multiple songs for each level and some levels featuring more than just the game's main theme.

[HideousBeing]

I believe in SSB, Kirby and Ness were among the most imbalanced characters. That game was great and I loved it when I began to play it, but after taking it to the next level, I realized the game needed some fine-tuning. I will always love that game though. It was the beginning of a legend. Even now, I foresee sequels to Brawl in the future. If no more games come, it hardly matters; the replay value of each is priceless, 100%.

[Rambo]

or forfeit Brinstar from Medtroid for Super Metroid's Norfair theme.

The Norfair theme would be incredible! It still gives me shivers to hear. Now that you've said it.. I will seriously be disappointed if its not included.

[Brushfire]

I'm very excited to see how the music will turn out in Brawl. With a full orchestra and opera choir, its going to be very epic. I too hope that more than just main themes are given as music. I mean you can only do Zelda's theme so many ways. Give it a rest and do something like the Dark World, or forfeit Brinstar from Medtroid for Super Metroid's Norfair theme. I think Melee was already moving in this direction with multiple songs for each level and some levels featuring more than just the game's main theme.

Nobuo Uematsu has never let us down before.

[o2coolc]

Link's spin attack is different because he spins so many times, and doesn't seem to really swing his sword - but I'll admit the goofy spinning like a top looks much more fitting when Link's in the air. Ah well, who cares =P

WOW... first off..... I havent posted here in like 2 years... MySpace replaced the OCR forums for me a few years back.

ANYWAY... now that I've actually logged in... LINK DOES HAVE A WILD CRAZY SPINNING ATTACK like that. Its not in MOST Zelda games BUT... it was in one of his Gameboy games... back in the day. From like 6-7+ years ago... you'd hold down the B button on the GB or GBA and it would charge... then when you let go... he'd thrust/spin crazy til he hit something... it would propel him thru the gaming screens and whatnot...


`peace

[FuriousFure]

Yeah, those three are pretty obvious, but in Smash Bros. they're clearly much different than they originally were. Link's spin attack is different because he spins so many times, and doesn't seem to really swing his sword - but I'll admit the goofy spinning like a top looks much more fitting when Link's in the air. Samus' charge shot in SB is so completely different from anything in a Metroid game, I won't even go into that. Mario's cape - they can make Link spin like Mario on steroids, but somehow Mario just does a lame little swing? The original cape damaged/killed enemies, and never reflected projectiles back (though it did deflect them into oblivion...). Ah well, who cares =P

well, in WindWaker, Link spins like the tazmanian devil also. so I don't know what, if any, zelda games these people have played

and if you guys are so obessed, even if wrongly so, with original attacks. why havn't you brung up his orginal attack from the NES game? that when his hearts were full he could send a glowing sword across the level to attack the enemies.

"Rabble rabble! put that in the game Rabble!"

[BigBoss]

WOW... first off..... I havent posted here in like 2 years... MySpace replaced the OCR forums for me a few years back.

ANYWAY... now that I've actually logged in... LINK DOES HAVE A WILD CRAZY SPINNING ATTACK like that. Its not in MOST Zelda games BUT... it was in one of his Gameboy games... back in the day. From like 6-7+ years ago... you'd hold down the B button on the GB or GBA and it would charge... then when you let go... he'd thrust/spin crazy til he hit something... it would propel him thru the gaming screens and whatnot...


`peace



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[Geoffrey Taucer]

THis is the dumbest debate I have ever seen.

[HideousBeing]

I wonder if in Brawl, you'll need to unlock the characters and stages before you can have access to them in online play. If not, would they just allow you to play on any stage there is, or prevent you from playing on those stages (or with those characters) that you have not unlocked?

[chrono26]

I wonder if in Brawl, you'll need to unlock the characters and stages before you can have access to them in online play. If not, would they just allow you to play on any stage there is, or prevent you from playing on those stages (or with those characters) that you have not unlocked?

thats a good question. and what if you're still waiting to unlock all the secret characters and someone busts out with Samurai Goroh during online play. might ruin the suprise for some people. or maybe the online features wont be available on release day. that would suck

[HideousBeing]

thats a good question. and what if you're still waiting to unlock all the secret characters and someone busts out with Samurai Goroh during online play. might ruin the suprise for some people. or maybe the online features wont be available on release day. that would suckThis is not the website to be posting on or reading posts on if you are the type that doesn't want the suprise ruined, lol. You can be guarranteed that as soon as the game is released, the forums will be filled with critical analyzations of all the hidden characters. I know that I would rather find out the hidden characters for myself -it's so much cooler when you unlock them and are suprised- rather than check a website to know what to expect (which I unfortunately did for Melee). I will stop posting and reading posts here for this reason when the game is released. OverClocked Remix Forums is no anti-spoiler site.

[Cerrax]

Nobuo Uematsu has never let us down before.

I believe that they said Uematsu is only responsible for the main theme. Other composer(s) will be handling the rest of the music.

[CE]

I believe that they said Uematsu is only responsible for the main theme. Other composer(s) will be handling the rest of the music.

not confirmed, Uematsu himself said he'd love to do the rest of the music

[linkspast]

not confirmed, Uematsu himself said he'd love to do the rest of the music

Mmmm... Epic composer..

Is there any way SSBB wont be amazing, I mean Hideo, Miyamoto, and Uematsu...

[dsx100]

I'm very excited to see how the music will turn out in Brawl. With a full orchestra and opera choir, its going to be very epic. I too hope that more than just main themes are given as music. I mean you can only do Zelda's theme so many ways. Give it a rest and do something like the Dark World, or forfeit Brinstar from Medtroid for Super Metroid's Norfair theme. I think Melee was already moving in this direction with multiple songs for each level and some levels featuring more than just the game's main theme.

I completely forgot about Norfair. That seriously would be cool. Norfair fully orchestrated would just sound awsome. I also like the idea a lot about having multiple BGMs for each stage. Only about 3 or 4 (correct me if I am wrong) stages had multiple themes. I would also like every one of the series in game to be represented with a stage. Fire Emblem didn't have a stage in Melee. Can't think of any others at this time which is good meaning only one series didn't have stage in the last game. More Metroid Stages would be nice as well.

[HideousBeing]

I completely forgot about Norfair. That seriously would be cool. Norfair fully orchestrated would just sound awsome. I also like the idea a lot about having multiple BGMs for each stage. Only about 3 or 4 (correct me if I am wrong) stages had multiple themes. I would also like every one of the series in game to be represented with a stage. Fire Emblem didn't have a stage in Melee. Can't think of any others at this time which is good meaning only one series didn't have stage last year. More Metroid Stages would be nice as well.The thing is, hidden characters don't have stages in SSB. It's always been that way.

[Zup]

The thing is, hidden characters don't have stages in SSB. It's always been that way.

Hm, what is that you say Flatworld? You disagree? Hmmm. Interesting.

[HideousBeing]

Hm, what is that you say Flatworld? You disagree? Hmmm. Interesting.
Ah! :mrgreen: My mistake, I forgot about that!

[dsx100]

The thing is, hidden characters don't have stages in SSB. It's always been that way.

Game and Watch has a stage.
Anyway that is not what I was talking about. I said every video game series represented in SSBB should have a stage. For example, Ganodorf doesn't have is own personal stage but there stages form the Zelda series in the game. Same for Luigi, he doesn't have a stage but any Mario stage could be indentified with him.The same goes for the Pokemon. However, There was no Fire Emblem stage in melee. So my point is, if a character or characters are going to represent their game in SSBB they should have a stage. Basically they should have a Wario, Kid Icurus, and Metal Gear Solid stage in Brawl and if I am not mistaken I believe they already do. The same should go for other new characters.

[JoeFu]

Kojima is designing the levels for Snake. I think it was more than one, but I don't remember the number. In the Nintendo World trailer you can see places from the first Metal Gear Solid.

[chrono26]

Game and Watch has a stage.
Anyway that is not what I was talking about. I said every video game series represented in SSBB should have a stage. For example, Ganodorf doesn't have is own personal stage but there stages form the Zelda series in the game. Same for Luigi, he doesn't have a stage but any Mario stage could be indentified with him.The same goes for the Pokemon. However, There was no Fire Emblem stage in melee. So my point is, if a character or characters are going to represent their game in SSBB they should have a stage. Basically they should have a Wario, Kid Icurus, and Metal Gear Solid stage in Brawl and if I am not mistaken I believe they already do. The same should go for other new characters.

meta-knight has the Halberb and it looks flippin' SWEET!

[dsx100]

meta-knight has the Halberb and it looks flippin' SWEET!

Yes is does look cool however, a Kirby stage would have been enough as MetaKnight is from the Kirby series so you could indentify a Kirby stage with MetaKnight. Still a realy cool addition though.

[CE]

Wait, who changed the thread name?

It's [SSB Thread]

[BigBoss]

Yes is does look cool however, a Kirby stage would have been enough as MetaKnight is from the Kirby series so you could indentify a Kirby stage with MetaKnight. Still a realy cool addition though.

the huringest post in the history of hurrr

[wormguy]

Kojima is designing the levels for Snake. I think it was more than one, but I don't remember the number. In the Nintendo World trailer you can see places from the first Metal Gear Solid.

I love Kojima even more now.

[HideousBeing]

There is one thing I would like put into Brawl considering mechanics. There needs to be a way to tell if your character has used his second jump. I have always had problems forgetting that I have used my air jump, after being juggled for a bit. A good player knows what kind of mistakes this can lead to. This is a common problem for me, so it would be cool if something could tell you if you've used your second jump. Maybe a different falling animation could denote, "Hey, watch out: You have no jumps left!" Anyone else have this problem?
Edit: Characters like Kirby and Jigglypuff (also Pit and Meta Knight in Brawl) would only be shown as having no jumps left when they have used all of their "puffs", or "flaps."

[Red Shadow]

can't say that i have

[Chickenwarlord]

Seriously, if you've used your second jump, you should know. If not, learn to focus.

[Cerrax]

Well the game already has different jump animations for the first and second jump so that is the indicator for when you've used the second jump. Most of the characters have a single jump and then the second jump is some kind of flip or something.

[Antipode]

I think it's already like this in melee - I believe that once you've used your second jump and are falling from it you sort of flash a little bit...? I can't really remember too well.

[HideousBeing]

Seriously, if you've used your second jump, you should know. If not, learn to focus.Probably right. BTW, what is the castle stage where there are flaming arrows being shot on Brawl supposed to be? I'll note that Hyrule Castle looks little like that.
Edit: I just read that Pichu and Captain Falcon have two taunts each. Does anyone know how that is done?

[ILLiterate]

It looks KINDA like a Hyrule Castle, but look closely, it looks MUCH MORE like a Fire Emblem stage. Notice the flags and such

[The Idiot]

Edit: I just read that Pichu and Captain Falcon have two taunts each. Does anyone know how that is done?

When facing right, Pichu's taunt makes him lie down and have some kind of spasm. When facing right, he'll jump instead. Captain Falcon's taunts are also different depending on which way he's facing, though the difference is harder to notice.

For non-Pichu players, winning a competitive match using Pichu is an innate third taunt.

[HideousBeing]

When facing right, Pichu's taunt makes him lie down and have some kind of spasm. When facing right, he'll jump instead. I believe you've got a typo there, my friend. You don't need to correct, I'll find out which one is which.

[Theory of N]

How about the credits? Think there will be a different little mini-game-esque thing while the credits are rolling like the shooting thingy in melee?

[linkspast]

Should make it like space invaders. Where each name is an invader.

[Theory of N]

I was thinking something different...y'know, NOT space related...

[chrono26]

you'll be riding a horse in first person and the credits will be flying past you and you gotta slash em your sword by swinging the wiimote.

[Ray Falling]

Aww I liked the Melee credits "minigame" It's the closest Cube ever came to proper on-rail Starfox ;)

[Cerrax]

Aww I liked the Melee credits "minigame" It's the closest Cube ever came to proper on-rail Starfox ;)

Unfortunately, he's right.

[Strike911]

Aww I liked the Melee credits "minigame" It's the closest Cube ever came to proper on-rail Starfox ;)

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTED FOR EMPHASIS!!!!!!!!!
QUOTED FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!!!

[Zup]

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTED FOR EMPHASIS!!!!!!!!!
QUOTED FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!!!

Quoted for stupidity.

[dsx100]

I like the space theme for the credits mini-games. It fits the ending of the game as you fight at Final Destination which looks like it takes place in space. So in short, the credits mini-game for Brawl should fit the Final Stage theme. At least that is my opinion.

[HideousBeing]

On its release, will Brawl be the first Fighting genre game that boasts online play? Just wondering. I'd also like to say, when this game comes out, I think its gross will be huge.

[Neo Samus]

I like the space shooter credits mini-game persoanlly. I would like to see something a little different. But still using the "shoot the development team names" part....like maybe unlock something for shooting so many names.

[The Mutericator]

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTED FOR EMPHASIS!!!!!!!!!
QUOTED FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!!!

Except, you know, Star Fox Assault, which had three on-rails levels.

[Jam Stunna]

On its release, will Brawl be the first Fighting genre game that boasts online play? Just wondering. I'd also like to say, when this game comes out, I think its gross will be huge.

There are already online fighting games for the XBox & 360.

[linkspast]

Should make it like space invaders. Where each name is an invader.

When I said this I could of swore I was putting this in the OCR the musical thread.

[dsx100]

On its release, will Brawl be the first Fighting genre game that boasts online play? Just wondering. I'd also like to say, when this game comes out, I think its gross will be huge.

Many fighting games have gone online including many 2D fighting games. DOA Ultimate, Mortal Kombat Deception, Capcom Vs. SNK 2, Street Anniversy Collection, and Capcom Fighting Jam where all on-line on X-box. X-box 360 has DOA 4. PS2 had the Mortal Kombat games online. And NO I don't count the Def Jam games as fighting games. Def Jam is worse than DOA and MK combined in my opinion.

Sorry about that rant, but I just don't like those games.

[BigBoss]

all of the fighting games for xbox suck

[dsx100]

all of the fighting games for xbox suck

I would have to agree because I don't believe the X-box Controller was made well to play the "good" fighting games on the system which in my opinion are Capcom vs SNK 2 and Street Fighter AC. Trying to pull of quarter circles on that thing is a pain in the ass.

[Theory of N]

I like the space shooter credits mini-game persoanlly. I would like to see something a little different. But still using the "shoot the development team names" part....like maybe unlock something for shooting so many names.

Yeah, that would be great. You don't know how many times I went through classic mode just for the credits because I thought you could unlock something that way...I hate that stupid mini-game now...

[Red Shadow]

i just got a really dumb idea that maybe they could do an adventure mode style credits sequence

you fight the names until you get killed, then the rest scroll past, or something like that

and an even dumber idea would be to make a secret unlockable character only be earned by beating the whole cast

[Fire in the Hole]

i just got a really dumb idea that maybe they could do an adventure mode style credits sequence

you fight the names until you get killed, then the rest scroll past, or something like that

and an even dumber idea would be to make a secret unlockable character only be earned by beating the whole cast

that's a really dumb idea followed by an even dumber idea

[Theory of N]

that's a really dumb idea followed by an even dumber idea

nowai! :O

nice observation...I never would've known, had there not been bright minds at work here.

[BigBoss]

nowai! :O

nice observation...I never would've known, had there not been bright minds at work here.

you're retarded then

[Fire in the Hole]

nowai! :O

nice observation...I never would've known, had there not been bright minds at work here.

you = lulz

[ILLiterate]

But it did give me the dumb idea of how about the ending adventure level is a full blown level, just the floor and everything are the names of the team that worked on the game :P

[The Mutericator]

But it did give me the dumb idea of how about the ending adventure level is a full blown level, just the floor and everything are the names of the team that worked on the game :P

Oh, dude. The character you played is on top of a tower of names, completely destructible, one-hit-kills type deal. You can just jump off the side and fall to the bottom or beat your way through with aerial down-A and down Smashes and down Specials, earning points on the way. Points give the people who feel like it a reason to work through it, but not a detriment to those who don't want to, just like pressing start to speed through the end credits in the last two.

[chrono26]

how bout it's character specific. if you're kirby, you gotta eat the names while running the gourmet race. if you're samus, then its like a level of metroid on rails and you gotta charge and shoot and grapple the credits as the fly by. and if you're ness then you just take a coffee break and enjoy the flashy screen and chillaxin music as the credits slowly scroll up the screen.

[FuriousFure]

how bout it's character specific. if you're kirby, you gotta eat the names while running the gourmet race. if you're samus, then its like a level of metroid on rails and you gotta charge and shoot and grapple the credits as the fly by. and if you're ness then you just take a coffee break and enjoy the flashy screen and chillaxin music as the credits slowly scroll up the screen.

Do you realize how long that freakin level would be? looooooong, if you actually didn't know. Horrible idea. Horrible with a capital w.

how bout we don't care about the credits and stick to hmmmm let's say... anything else. cinematics, I mean, come on! that intro movie for Melee is soo kick ass! nothing kicks more ass than that movie.

[ILLiterate]

How about playing Smash? It's a good vid just, I've seen it so many times I can't watch it, I must skip it

[Pi_R_[]ed]

how bout we don't care about the credits and stick to hmmmm let's say... anything else. cinematics, I mean, come on! that intro movie for Melee is soo kick ass! nothing kicks more ass than that movie.

We need another video like the first Brawl one. A few old characters, and introducing a few new ones. I could go for a few shots of updated Melee characters. And more revealing new gameplay devices and items, too. I'm still vouching for my masks idea. And the different "costumes" for each character. 8-bit Mario, 16-bit Mario, N64-Mario, Paper Mario, and current Mario, all with the same stats, all technically the same character. They just "look" different. Adds some options to the game, it's one of those "little things" that makes the game interesting.

[chrono26]

Do you realize how long that freakin level would be? looooooong, if you actually didn't know. Horrible idea. Horrible with a capital w. how bout we don't care about the credits and stick to hmmmm let's say... anything else.

you need to calm down sir.

how bout we don't care about the credits and stick to hmmmm let's say... anything else. cinematics, I mean, come on! that intro movie for Melee is soo kick ass! nothing kicks more ass than that movie



melee intro was pretty sweet. i'm sure that brawl is gonna blow it way outta the water.

[HideousBeing]

So, is this expected to be the best selling game for Wii?

[Wipomatic]

Well, I know I'll be buying it three times.

[HideousBeing]

Well, I know I'll be buying it three times.
Really? Why?

[linkspast]

Well, I know I'll be buying it three times.

Really? Why?

you say that like you were planning on getting one.

I have to get at least two. one to play, and another to keep safe so when something tragic happens to the other one I can keep playing.... at which point Ill go get another one. duh.

[HideousBeing]

you say that like you were planning on getting one.

I have to get at least two. one to play, and another to keep safe so when something tragic happens to the other one I can keep playing.... at which point Ill go get another one. duh.Wow, I've never practiced that conservative game keeping. Seems like a sensible idea though. I guess I really have never had problems losing one of my games.

[Thalzon]

I had a thought last night, which may or may not be new and/or stupid, but I'll share it anyway.

All characters have four (as far as we know) special attacks in Brawl, correct? What if you had the ability to swap out special moves for characters?

I'll use Samus as an example. Say by beating Classic mode with her on Hard, you unlock the Ice Beam. You could then go into a customization mode, where you save out Samus character data to your system, and from there replace, say, her missiles with the ice beam. Then, in multiplayer fights, you could select your saved, revised Samus much like you select a nickname in Melee now.

The moves you unlock, of course, would have to be balanced a little (ice beam, for example, would freeze at high percentages and deal considerable damage [15% or so?] but move slowly), and it would be a royal pain to think up moves for characters who're already struggling filling 4 slots (Ice Climbers, Peach, Fox, etc), but I just thought it was something interesting I'd share. Won't happen this time around though. Maybe the Smash game AFTER Brawl.

[Hellcom]

So, is this expected to be the best selling game for Wii?

SSBM was the Gamecube's best selling game at 6 million units. So it can be expected to sell in an excess of that as long as Wii sales continue to be strong and game itself doesn't suck ass (unlikely judging by the trailers).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_computer_and_video_games#Nintendo_GameCube

Two copies? Three? You guys are crazy, you need to buy at least five.

[HideousBeing]

I've been watching the second trailer for SSBB, and I keep noticing this: Zero Suit Samus seems to be a clone of Sheik. There's one part where she performs three of Sheik's moves in a row on Link. First the down power, then the forward power, then the down smash. I also notice that her second jump looks much like Sheiks. Another thing I saw was she seems to be very vertically and not so horizontally oriented in her air movement, just like Sheik. Maybe Sheik will still be in the game, or maybe Zero Suit Samus will replace her? It makes sense: Zero Suit Samus has a whip that could be like Sheik's chain. Her gun may replace Sheik's needle storm. Of course, I expect that she will have more than one attack with each aspect of her weapon, but it seems that she will be largely derived from the move set of Sheik.

[ILLiterate]

I had a thought last night, which may or may not be new and/or stupid, but I'll share it anyway.

All characters have four (as far as we know) special attacks in Brawl, correct? What if you had the ability to swap out special moves for characters?

I'll use Samus as an example. Say by beating Classic mode with her on Hard, you unlock the Ice Beam. You could then go into a customization mode, where you save out Samus character data to your system, and from there replace, say, her missiles with the ice beam. Then, in multiplayer fights, you could select your saved, revised Samus much like you select a nickname in Melee now.

The moves you unlock, of course, would have to be balanced a little (ice beam, for example, would freeze at high percentages and deal considerable damage [15% or so?] but move slowly), and it would be a royal pain to think up moves for characters who're already struggling filling 4 slots (Ice Climbers, Peach, Fox, etc), but I just thought it was something interesting I'd share. Won't happen this time around though. Maybe the Smash game AFTER Brawl.A good initial idea, but you'd get characters with better unlockable moves, and it would cause even more balance head aches than the team would already have with the huge amount of characters that everyone is expecting (I'm saying like 30-40 characters)

[RealFolkBlues]

you say that like you were planning on getting one.

I have to get at least two. one to play, and another to keep safe so when something tragic happens to the other one I can keep playing.... at which point Ill go get another one. duh.

It must be nice being rich. I'm going to have a hard time paying my rent when it comes time for Ye Olde Hawtness (Brawl, Prime 3, Galaxy, etc.) on Wii. As it stands, I'm going to have to make a hard decision between Super Paper Mario and you know, basic sustenance.

[JoeFu]

I've been watching the second trailer for SSBB, and I keep noticing this: Zero Suit Samus seems to be a clone of Sheik. There's one part where she performs three of Sheik's moves in a row on Link. First the down power, then the forward power, then the down smash. I also notice that her second jump looks much like Sheiks. Another thing I saw was she seems to be very vertically and not so horizontally oriented in her air movement, just like Sheik. Maybe Sheik will still be in the game, or maybe Zero Suit Samus will replace her? It makes sense: Zero Suit Samus has a whip that could be like Sheik's chain. Her gun may replace Sheik's needle storm. Of course, I expect that she will have more than one attack with each aspect of her weapon, but it seems that she will be largely derived from the move set of Sheik.
I hope Shiek is gone and we get the awesome Zelda from TP with all her weapons..

[The Mutericator]

I hope Shiek is gone and we get the awesome Zelda from TP with all her weapons..

What do you mean, "all her weapons"? You mean that sword she drops at the beginning and the Light Arrows she fires near the end? Because that's the only useful fighting things she does (don't even say she can heal herself, no character can heal themselves).

[Thalzon]

What do you mean, "all her weapons"? You mean that sword she drops at the beginning and the Light Arrows she fires near the end? Because that's the only useful fighting things she does (don't even say she can heal herself, no character can heal themselves).

Well, there IS the whole boss fight dealie against her... Though that wasn't really her, who says she can't use all that kickass magic herself?

[The Mutericator]

Well, there IS the whole boss fight dealie against her... Though that wasn't really her, who says she can't use all that kickass magic herself?

That was why I mentioned Light Arrows, remember?

They're obviously going to have to add a repetoire of attacks to her, like they did with the first one. I was just pointing out that he said "all her weapons", when she only has... two, one of which she just drops to the ground.

I sense a new attack for her. Sword drop as her aerial smash down.

[JoeFu]

I know there was two, didn't want to spoil it for those who haven't played yet. Oh well. ANyways, Zelda could be a lot cooler than the one in SSBM.

[HideousBeing]

I am a Zelda player myself and I like to think of Zelda and Sheik as one character: Zelda. When I say I play as Zelda, it means I use all of her moves, including transforming into and playing as Sheik. I change halfway between all of my fights from Zelda to Sheik, an effective method because your opponent is suddenly now facing a much faster, different foe. I also sometimes change from one or the other to return to the stage. I change to Zelda if Sheik can't make the distance, and I change to Sheik because she's better at avoiding spiking off the edge. I once attended a tournament, and the Sheik players I saw would not transform to save themselves. I say that there is 25 characters in Melee, not 26, so I have sharpened my skills with both of Zelda's aspects. Oh, and also, I like the idea of Zelda using her TP weapons.

[Theory of N]

Oh, and also, I like the idea of Zelda using her TP weapons.

You mean that sword she drops at the beginning and the Light Arrows she fires near the end? Because that's the only useful fighting things she does.

By Zelda using her TP weapons, basically you're saying you want her to have light arrows, right? That's pretty much all she got in that game. She never even tried to use that sword...

Just wondering because you guys are kinda making it sound like more than it is. (Unless I'm missing something...)

[HideousBeing]

By Zelda using her TP weapons, basically you're saying you want her to have light arrows, right? That's pretty much all she got in that game. She never even tried to use that sword...

Just wondering because you guys are kinda making it sound like more than it is. (Unless I'm missing something...)It's kind of wishful thinking, but yeah, we all like to think that Zelda can actually use the sword that she drops as a gesture of capitulation in that TP cinematic.

[JoeFu]

Well, we never saw Zelda fight in any of the previous game other than game, but they still put her in SSBM. So why can't they just make up stuff for the TP Zelda in SSBB?

[Theory of N]

Well, we never saw Zelda fight in any of the previous game other than game, but they still put her in SSBM. So why can't they just make up stuff for the TP Zelda in SSBB?

Never said they couldn't...I'm just saying that everyone's talking about them putting in Zelda's TP weapons when there was really only one that she actually used in TP. Didn't say anything about them putting weapons that weren't in TP on her. That would be kind of weird though.

I could see her using that sword, but only cinematically. I couldn't see her using it in Smash Bros. proficiently.

[Scufo]

Since we're on the subject of Zelda, I wonder what they're gonna do about Shiek? We can assume they will be using TP Zelda rather than OoT Zelda, so it wouldn't make any sense to give her transform, since Shiek isn't in TP. Given, you could just forget about that and keep transform anyway, but I'd like to think that Shiek will be a separate character this time around.

Also, I love the idea of giving Zelda her sword. I say she should wield it not with the skills of a master swordsman, but rather she should beef it up with magic.

[HideousBeing]

I could see her using that sword, but only cinematically. I couldn't see her using it in Smash Bros. proficiently.It would be wicked sick if Zelda fought with a sword in Brawl. Chicks with swords are hot.:grin:

[JoeFu]

If they don't put Zelda in with the sword, please put in Eirika from FE:SS

[HideousBeing]

Also, I love the idea of giving Zelda her sword. I say she should wield it not with the skills of a master swordsman, but rather she should beef it up with magic.I totally agree. If Zelda ends up being oriented around her sword for her move set on brawl, she should enhance it with her magic. Zelda, -it takes a little while to realize- is actually one of the more "heavy" characters in Melee, while in her Zelda form. Her attacks are slow, but powerful. She is quite an exception, because she gets knocked far for a heavy character type. Zelda's smash down is faster than her neutral ground attack, and I usually find myself relying on Nayru's Love to beat off someone close to me, because it responds the quickest. Zelda's greatest asset is her midair lightning kick, a deadly attack stronger than many characters' smash attacks. Few players realize how benefitial Farore's Wind can be in combat as well. Its reaction time is practically as fast as Fox's shine, and a person hit by it will fall over. I would like Zelda to remain a strong, slow character in Brawl, by "beefing up" her sword with magic.

[FuriousFure]

That was why I mentioned Light Arrows, remember?

They're obviously going to have to add a repetoire of attacks to her, like they did with the first one. I was just pointing out that he said "all her weapons", when she only has... two, one of which she just drops to the ground.

I sense a new attack for her. Sword drop as her aerial smash down.



who mentioned Light Arrows? I think I did! yes totally on page 187. I mean, come on!

anyways. yeah, zleda/shiek idea is cool cause it was her dressing up.

I figured that it could replace her stupid crystal reversal thingy. It'll be like Links arrows except not so arching and more powerful but it would take awhile to charge up. (similar to fox and falco's diference in blasters, but with a larger difference)

[Brithor]

There's still people who haven't played TP so... don't spoil it fo m... I mean them.

[BigBoss]

if you haven't played tp you need to get off the fucking internet and head down to a game shop right now

there is NO reason to not have played it yet NONE at all

[Brithor]

Well, as a matter of fact, yes there is.
I don't have 310€ to buy a Wii+Zelda.

[BigBoss]

rofl I'm not even going to tell you what is wrong with that

[HideousBeing]

who mentioned Light Arrows? I think I did! yes totally on page 187. I mean, come on!

anyways. yeah, zleda/shiek idea is cool cause it was her dressing up.

I figured that it could replace her stupid crystal reversal thingy. It'll be like Links arrows except not so arching and more powerful but it would take awhile to charge up. (similar to fox and falco's diference in blasters, but with a larger difference)I would rather have Zelda's transform be replaced with Light arrows, because I (even though I play as her) see Sheik as a too imbalanced character. She is currently at the top of the tiers. Also, Nayru's Love, dubbed by you, "her stupid crystal reversal thingy":lol: , is a necessity for Zelda. Not so much in use as a reflective shield, but when Zelda finds herself in close proximity with a faster responsive character, it is a great offensive attack. Zelda would be in trouble without it, not to mention it would be dumb if they removed one of the gods' magics. They should keep all three. Of course, if she changes to a sword-fighting style, she may not need to rely on the move as much.

[Theory of N]

Well, as a matter of fact, yes there is.
I don't have 310€ to buy a Wii+Zelda.

Zelda: TP is for GC too.

and uh...

I usually find myself relying on Nayru's Love to beat off someone close to me

LOL

[HideousBeing]

I've noticed Nintendo's website is not showing much of Brawl, and it is difficult to find a link to the actual site from the Nintendo website. When can we expect them to start advertising it? Will it be around the time that the release date is announced? I think they may announce a release date at this coming E3, which will be July 11 – 13, 2007 at several hotels and Barker Hangar in Santa Monica, California, btw.

[Brithor]

Zelda: TP is for GC too.

Yeah, I know. But my GC is broken, won't read any game discs.
And I wouldn't buy the GC version anyway.

[atmuh]

Yeah, I know. But my GC is broken, won't read any game discs.
And I wouldn't buy the GC version anyway.

I would, but let's not get into that.

[BigBoss]

Yeah, I know. But my GC is broken, won't read any game discs.
And I wouldn't buy the GC version anyway.

what a failure you are

[Zup]

The Gamecube Version is Zelda like it was meant to be.

Literally meant to be.

[Theory of N]

I'm pretty sure that TP was meant to played on the wii. They probably altered gameplay so that it would work on GC because they had originally announced it to be for GC and they didn't want to disappoint anyone. Also because the wii was brand new when TP was released and not everyone had one and they were really hard to get. Had to make it more avaliable.

[Fire in the Hole]

I'm pretty sure that TP was meant to played on the wii. They probably altered gameplay so that it would work on GC because they had originally announced it to be for GC and they didn't want to disappoint anyone. Also because the wii was brand new when TP was released and not everyone had one and they were really hard to get. Had to make it more avaliable.

Are you... kidding? The game was scheduled for release on Gamecube in November 2005, a year before it came out for Wii, but was pushed back to fine-tune and add a little more content. It wasn't announced in development for Wii until E3 2006. How are you going to say that a game that was almost completed for one system and then barely altered before it was also developed for another system belongs on the other system? Gamecube got the true-to-form version, no last-minute alterations, without a doubt (just look at friggin' Wight-handed Link on Wii). Whether that makes it more enjoyable is entirely a matter of personal choice.

[atmuh]

I'm pretty sure that TP was meant to played on the wii. They probably altered gameplay so that it would work on GC because they had originally announced it to be for GC and they didn't want to disappoint anyone. Also because the wii was brand new when TP was released and not everyone had one and they were really hard to get. Had to make it more avaliable.

sorry you got it WAY backwards
it was meant for the GCN
they slapped a few motion controls and hailed it WII LAUNCH TITLE
I could go into it but yeah I don't feel like it so just know that you're wrong

[HideousBeing]

Do I smell something burning?

[Brithor]

what a failure you are

Hahaha, wanting to get the best for my money is a faliure?
That's a new one.
Anyway, we're way off-topic.

[Theory of N]

um...yeah...yeah, I had that pretty backwards...

I donno though. It just seems like it fits more on the Wii (even though he is "Wight" handed lol). I guess it just comes down to personal opinion. It may have been meant for GC but I've played them both and the Wii version is just...better imo.

Anyway, yeah, let's get back on the SSBB subject :p

[BigBoss]

Hahaha, wanting to get the best for my money is a faliure?
That's a new one.

hey guys i broke my gamecube but i want the best for my money hurhurhur

[Theory of N]

hey guys i broke my gamecube but i want the best for my money hurhurhur

*awaits new conflict to erupt* -_-

[Brithor]

hey guys i broke my gamecube but i want the best for my money hurhurhur

Lol, seeing as I bought my GC on launch day, and the ammount of use it has had I think it lasted a pretty good time. But ohh well, I don't really give a damn about what you say or think hurhurhur.

Practically everywhere I've read reviews about TP it has said that the Wii version was better, so why wouldn't I want to wait and buy the better version?

BTW, I still think we're way off topic :P

[BigBoss]

Practically everywhere I've read reviews about TP it has said that the Wii version was better

rofl where the hell are you reading some freewebs site

also gamefaqs reviews do not count

[FuriousFure]

Lol, seeing as I bought my GC on launch day, and the ammount of use it has had I think it lasted a pretty good time. But ohh well, I don't really give a damn about what you say or think hurhurhur.

Practically everywhere I've read reviews about TP it has said that the Wii version was better, so why wouldn't I want to wait and buy the better version?

BTW, I still think we're way off topic :P

no shit, take that crap argument to the Wii thread.

[chrono26]

no shit, take that crap argument to the Wii thread.

you are rather furious arnt you?


anyway, do you guys think that we'll be able to download stuff like new levels, items, menu designs, outfits, game modes, etc? that could be a big plus.

[Theory of N]

yeah! That way, the game would never get old :p. Keep adding new levels and game modes and it'll always be different. Kickass

[bouncerboy15]

I just hope they can get some sort of multiplayer online. I wouldn't mind if it's just 1 vs 1.

[linkspast]

Mgs3 had camo you could download for the Ps2. Why not, It be cool if you could win it in some sort of tourny a week or so before it is released to the public.

[HideousBeing]

Hey guys, I need some help here. I need to know the names of some moves of characters on melee as given by the "Smash" trophies of those characters. Could someone please find and list the names of the following moves for me?
-Doctor Mario's Down B.
-Falco's Neutral B.
-Young Link's Smash B.
-Pichu's Down B.
-Jigglypuff's Smash B.
-Mewtwo's Neutral B.
-Mr. Game & Watch's Smash B.
-Marth's Smash B.
-Roy's Smash B.
Thanks, and please use the exact name as it is given in the trophy description, not little slangs like "shine" for Reflector.

[Chickenwarlord]

Game and Watch's Smash B is Judgement.
Dr. Mario's Down B is Dr. Tornado.
Young Link's Smash B is Boomerang.

[BigBoss]

-Doctor Mario's Down B. - Dr. Tornado
-Falco's Neutral B. - Laser
-Young Link's Smash B. - Boomerang
-Pichu's Down B. - Thunder
-Jigglypuff's Smash B. - Pound
-Mewtwo's Neutral B. - Shadow Ball
-Mr. Game & Watch's Smash B. - Judgement
-Marth's Smash B. - Dancing Blade
-Roy's Smash B. - Double-Edge Dance


there ya go bud

[HideousBeing]

there ya go bud
Thanks a lot man.

[Straziante]

So I've been away for a while and I totally don't feel like going through 200+ pages, but I take it Golden Sun characters got snubbed?

[FuriousFure]

So I've been away for a while and I totally don't feel like going through 200+ pages, but I take it Golden Sun characters got snubbed?

well, they have been condemned by those who hate Anime. There are a few hopefulls out there. honestly, I think it would work out, cause you could have a summon for the brawl icon move.

Hey do you think that Hal Labs will push for more of their own characters? I know they got Kirby, now Meta-knight, and they helped with the Mother series (Earthbound) so they got Ness but how about Lolo? from The Adventures of Lolo. (NES)

[HideousBeing]

Hey do you think that Hal Labs will push for more of their own characters? I know they got Kirby, now Meta-knight, and they helped with the Mother series (Earthbound) so they got Ness but how about Lolo? from The Adventures of Lolo. (NES)I believe I read somewhere that Sakurai is no longer working for Hal Labs. He has taken control of the Brawl project himself and has his own team of designers. Sakurai himself is neglecting all other projects to work on Brawl, having taken on the role of director and game designer for the game.
Edit: Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masahiro_Sakurai and http://www.smashbros.com/en/story/index.html. These links should shed some light on this issue.

[Straziante]

well, they have been condemned by those who hate Anime. There are a few hopefulls out there. honestly, I think it would work out, cause you could have a summon for the brawl icon move.

Hey do you think that Hal Labs will push for more of their own characters? I know they got Kirby, now Meta-knight, and they helped with the Mother series (Earthbound) so they got Ness but how about Lolo? from The Adventures of Lolo. (NES)

I'll admit it. I loved both Golden Suns. The characters would be good fighters. But there are some other characters that would work out better I guess. I'm a little annoyed that Snake is a character, honestly.

[BigBoss]

I'm a little annoyed that Snake is a character, honestly.

The only people who don't like Snake are fanboys who think his spot is better deserved by some other gay character who probably wears black and is calm and stoic or something.


Anyways, pretty sure Ness is getting replaced by Lucas this time.

[Straziante]

The only people who don't like Snake are fanboys who think his spot is better deserved by some other gay character who probably wears black and is calm and stoic or something.


No, I just didn't really blow a load over the MGS games like most people who played them. They were decent games, I just don't think Snake is a good choice. But I felt the same way about Capt. Falcon and the Ice Climbers too.

[FuriousFure]

I believe I read somewhere that Sakurai is no longer working for Hal Labs. He has taken control of the Brawl project himself and has his own team of designers. Sakurai himself is neglecting all other projects to work on Brawl, having taken on the role of director and game designer for the game.
Edit: Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masahiro_Sakurai and http://www.smashbros.com/en/story/index.html. These links should shed some light on this issue.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, okay. well there goes that. hmmm. nevermind then. guess it'll be kirby characters now. intreresting read tho(wiki) his signature is a kirby face! how awesome is that? pretty freaken awesome.

[supremespleen]

Man, I hope ninty doesn't start putting in an assload of weird obscure characters.

[Dark Chocobo]

Yeah, like some guys from an Japanese game never released in America, or a whole bunch of Pokemon, or an old Nintendo mascot for some handheld games, or another old mascot duo from the NES era, or...

[linkspast]

or a tie wearing ape, or dinosaur.

[Hector]

As long as they don't neglect the popular charcters that they've already inserted into the game, wierd characters are welcome. Just so long as they don't prove to be mere copies of other characters. We don't need every Fire Emblem character that wields a sword, but two are good.

[Cerrax]

Man, I hope ninty doesn't start putting in an assload of weird obscure characters.
They have stated that they want the rest of the new characters to be pretty recognizable characters *cough*sonic*cough* so you won't be seeing any unheard of Japanese characters or some old unknown character poppong up in Brawl.

[FuriousFure]

They have stated that they want the rest of the new characters to be pretty recognizable characters *cough*sonic*cough* so you won't be seeing any unheard of Japanese characters or some old unknown character poppong up in Brawl.

recongnizable to whom, may i ask? Just because some character is obscure to you doesn't mean it's obscure to everyone. and 40 characters is sorta large for super well known characters that fit into Smash gameplay.

also, with this new found info (for me) i'm now worried that this game might not have the same "soul" as the previous games. Just as what happened to the Burnout series when EA came into play, takedown had a completely different feel to it compared to 1 & 2. unfortunately i can't see Brawl not letting this happen, so i'm a *tiny bit* worried. not that it'll be better or worse but just that it will feel different.

[Red Shadow]

recongnizable to whom, may i ask? Just because some character is obscure to you doesn't mean it's obscure to everyone. and 40 characters is sorta large for super well known characters that fit into Smash gameplay.

also, with this new found info (for me) i'm now worried that this game might not have the same "soul" as the previous games. Just as what happened to the Burnout series when EA came into play, takedown had a completely different feel to it compared to 1 & 2. unfortunately i can't see Brawl not letting this happen, so i'm a *tiny bit* worried. not that it'll be better or worse but just that it will feel different.
"im concerned because i would be getting something possibly new and different and my fragile reality does not easily allow for change"

[Fire in the Hole]

recongnizable to whom, may i ask? Just because some character is obscure to you doesn't mean it's obscure to everyone. and 40 characters is sorta large for super well known characters that fit into Smash gameplay.

If something is obscure, it is by definition unknown to a large majority of people. A person can erroneously call something obscure out of ignorance, but it can't be obscure to that person. Don't pull that subjective reality crap.

[The Mutericator]

well, they have been condemned by those who hate Anime. There are a few hopefulls out there. honestly, I think it would work out, cause you could have a summon for the brawl icon move.

Hey do you think that Hal Labs will push for more of their own characters? I know they got Kirby, now Meta-knight, and they helped with the Mother series (Earthbound) so they got Ness but how about Lolo? from The Adventures of Lolo. (NES)

I'd certainly hope for Golden Sun characters... any of them except Ivan and Shiva and Mia would be good additions, methinks. Personally Isaac, Garet, or Felix would be the best additions IMO... also preferably with an AXE INSTEAD OF A SWORD. We have enough swordsmen.

Also, Djinn-oriented moves and summons could be really cool.

[Scufo]

They have stated that they want the rest of the new characters to be pretty recognizable characters *cough*sonic*cough* so you won't be seeing any unheard of Japanese characters or some old unknown character poppong up in Brawl.

I personally think Sonic has no place in Smash Bros, but yeah, his appearance is Brawl is definitely possible - likely even. His massive popularity, combined with Sega's and Nintendo's growing relations, basically assure it. I'd even go so far as to say that Tails could be put in, as well.

[chrono26]

I personally think Sonic has no place in Smash Bros, but yeah, his appearance is Brawl is definitely possible - likely even. His massive popularity, combined with Sega's and Nintendo's growing relations, basically assure it. I'd even go so far as to say that Tails could be put in, as well.

i'm starting to think that sonic is actually in the game. why else would they say that they'd love to see him in it and they were waiting for sega to get back to them? i'm pretty sure that sega would've given nintendo an answer about putting sonic in really fast. they probably gave the go-ahead and now they want to make him a secret charecter so they're keeping it under wraps.

[!Nekko!]

My brother who manages a local video game store says Brawl is supposedly coming out sometime in June according to his suppliers. This could just be a residual of an older record and he's not sure how concrete the info is. I was wondering if anyone else has heard or seen anything similar to this?

[pabru]

They have stated that they want the rest of the new characters to be pretty recognizable characters *cough*sonic*cough* so you won't be seeing any unheard of Japanese characters or some old unknown character poppong up in Brawl.

Unheard of like Kid Icarus (relatively)? I would like some final fantasy (7 in particular...) or some other RPG's... that would be cool, though maybe a bit sketchy.

[Merk]

My brother who manages a local video game store says Brawl is supposedly coming out sometime in June according to his suppliers. This could just be a residual of an older record and he's not sure how concrete the info is. I was wondering if anyone else has heard or seen anything similar to this?


EBGames (http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=T000233) has it for June 1st. They have a bunch of games for June 1st. Basically it's just some random date they put in down the line so they can start taking reserves.

[chrono26]

I would like some final fantasy (7 in particular...) or some other RPG's... that would be cool

oh God no. please lets not go through this again...

[pabru]

hey, I can't read 200 pgs XD.

I kinda don't want to know what characters they put in, that would make unlocking them even better ^_^.

[The Mutericator]

I personally think Sonic has no place in Smash Bros, but yeah, his appearance is Brawl is definitely possible - likely even. His massive popularity, combined with Sega's and Nintendo's growing relations, basically assure it. I'd even go so far as to say that Tails could be put in, as well.

Anyone who says Sonic has no place in Smash Brothers gets my rock-Solid Snake to the face.

[tatsujin]

I have a friend who was down at EB games today, and put down 120$ in preorders for a few different games, including Brawl. It, along with many of the others (Metroid, etc), were slated much later then expected.
Apparently, Brawl is listed for December- how else to make massive amounts of money, but to release at christmas?
This is also, however, unconfirmed. He did put money down for it, though.

[The Mutericator]

Unheard of like Kid Icarus (relatively)? I would like some final fantasy (7 in particular...) or some other RPG's... that would be cool, though maybe a bit sketchy.

It's actually really hard to tell if you're serious or not.

[supremespleen]

Unheard of like Kid Icarus (relatively)? I would like some final fantasy (7 in particular...) or some other RPG's... that would be cool, though maybe a bit sketchy.omg lez put sephiroth in it hes teh coolest

[HideousBeing]

also, with this new found info (for me) i'm now worried that this game might not have the same "soul" as the previous games. Just as what happened to the Burnout series when EA came into play, takedown had a completely different feel to it compared to 1 & 2. unfortunately i can't see Brawl not letting this happen, so i'm a *tiny bit* worried. not that it'll be better or worse but just that it will feel different.
Sakurai, when discussing the new theme for SSBB goes a bit off on a tangent and says, "I also want to change the atmosphere of the game itself a little, too. But you'll just have to look forward to how I'll be doing that." Reference: http://www.smashbros.com/en/music/index.html
We don't know what this means just yet. Any speculation?

[chrono26]

Sakurai, when discussing the new theme for SSBB goes a bit off on a tangent and says, "I also want to change the atmosphere of the game itself a little, too. But you'll just have to look forward to how I'll be doing that." Reference: http://www.smashbros.com/en/music/index.html
We don't know what this means just yet. Any speculation?

maybe he wants to make the game a little more serious. even though you've got wario and pikachu and kirby so far, the game does look like its taking a more realistic approach. maybe they want to incorporate some kind of reason as to why all they charecters have assembled.

[Final_metroid]

Unheard of like Kid Icarus (relatively)? I would like some final fantasy (7 in particular...) or some other RPG's... that would be cool, though maybe a bit sketchy.

Technically, because of Chain of Memories, Sora is allowed to be in Brawl

[HideousBeing]

maybe he wants to make the game a little more serious. even though you've got wario and pikachu and kirby so far, the game does look like its taking a more realistic approach. maybe they want to incorporate some kind of reason as to why all they charecters have assembled.
That's pretty much along the lines of what I'm thinking too. I think he wants the game to have a much more serious atmosphere. Maybe it'll incorporate something similar to the Soul Calibur series, such as each character has a story and a background behind them. Who knows?

[Theory of N]

I have a friend who was down at EB games today, and put down 120$ in preorders for a few different games, including Brawl. It, along with many of the others (Metroid, etc), were slated much later then expected.
Apparently, Brawl is listed for December- how else to make massive amounts of money, but to release at christmas?
This is also, however, unconfirmed. He did put money down for it, though.

Really? My EB Games won't let me put money down for Brawl yet...

maybe they want to incorporate some kind of reason as to why all they charecters have assembled.

First thing I thought when I read this was Mario Party...

Oh god no...

"WHO IZ TEH BESTEST!!! U CAN BE TEH SUPASTAH!"
Mario, Luigi, DK, Peach, Yoshi, Wario: "Yahoo!"
Roy, Fox, Samus, Link and pretty much everyone else just stares stupidly: "wtf?"

[pabru]

It's actually really hard to tell if you're serious or not.

Of course I am teh serious (this isn't helping is it?).

Mario party and soul calibur had rather.... interesting story lines. Maybe something a little different, but as a rule I would say, if you make a story, don't make it half-ass like the superstar thing..... Otherwise take it out, cause it will take a way from the wonderfulness of the game.

[chrono26]

"WHO IZ TEH BESTEST!!! U CAN BE TEH SUPASTAH!"
Mario, Luigi, DK, Peach, Yoshi, Wario: "Yahoo!"
Roy, Fox, Samus, Link and pretty much everyone else just stares stupidly: "wtf?"

LMAO. i'm just gonna pray that they arnt soo stupid as to make the premise anything like mario party's.

Maybe something a little different, but as a rule I would say, if you make a story, don't make it half-ass like the superstar thing..... Otherwise take it out, cause it will take a way from the wonderfulness of the game.

i concur

[Scufo]

maybe he wants to make the game a little more serious. even though you've got wario and pikachu and kirby so far, the game does look like its taking a more realistic approach. maybe they want to incorporate some kind of reason as to why all they charecters have assembled.
That's pretty much along the lines of what I'm thinking too. I think he wants the game to have a much more serious atmosphere. Maybe it'll incorporate something similar to the Soul Calibur series, such as each character has a story and a background behind them. Who knows?
The thing about that is, SSBM already has a much more serious atmosphere than your typical Nintendo game, as evidenced by its Teen rating. The character models in SSBM are much more realistic than most other 1st party Gamecube games. How much more "serious" can they make it without turning it into post-apocalyptic grunge-core cartoon violence? I don't know about you, but I don't want to see Mario going around stabbing people with rusty nails.

Ok, so that's a little extreme, but you get the point.

[HideousBeing]

The thing about that is, SSBM already has a much more serious atmosphere than your typical Nintendo game, as evidenced by its Teen rating. The character models in SSBM are much more realistic than most other 1st party Gamecube games. How much more "serious" can they make it without turning it into post-apocalyptic grunge-core cartoon violence?I never understood why Melee earned a T rating and still don't. It boasts completely bloodless violence that is harmlessly cartoonish. (i.e. person gets slashed by a sword and goes flying fifty feet.)
For that matter, I wonder why LozOoT was rated only E. In some dungeons, the Shadow Temple and Underneath the Well I believe, there were bloodstains all over the walls and floors. Beneath the Well, there was also a room where there was some green toxic liquid in which skeletonized hands were sticking out of. The well also had a room where there were seemingly some type of torture devices. There were chains hanging from posts and similar apparatuses to a cross- all with bloodstains beneath. Also, the combat features animated blood flying often, though it is usually discolored green or blue. Slash the walls in Jabu-jabu's Belly, and blue blood will fly. At the end of the game, Ganandorf once coughs up blood clearly, and when Link executes the final few blows against Ganon, he throws blood all over the place. So can anyone explain why ESRB rated LoZOoT E, yet SSBM T? Maybe they just change their standards over time...
One more question: Those of you have played LoZOoT and LoZ Majora's Mask, why is Ruto's model from OoT made to where a dress in MM as Lulu? Tell me Nintendo didn't offend because Ruto was naked originally...

[pabru]

HB, I'd say to both your questions: change of taste. Yeah, I agree with you, SSBM shouldn't have been T, but I don't think that OoT should have been T. Its pretty minimal, but I guess the rating increased over time. Maybe more younger players, I don't know but who know maybe a later Super Smash Bros will be M....... or not, lol.

[supremespleen]

I think they should put in Star Wars characters!!!!!

[HideousBeing]

Maybe more younger players, I don't know but who know maybe a later Super Smash Bros will be M....... or not, lol.
I can't imagine an M rated Smash game. It brings a funny picture to mind though... Link slashes Mario and blood and guts fly, spattering the surrounding area. Characters slip when stepping on the gore. When characters hit the screen from an upwards KO, their bodies get broken apart, and the screen gets blood all over it, obscuring the view for the players, until it runs down it and drips off. The Home Run Bat Smash attack, instead of sending you flying, would cut you in half, or bash your head off. Haha, this game would be called Super Smash Bros Slaughter. By the way, I hope it never comes to this. A game like this would disappoint me horribly.

[chrono26]

I think they should put in Star Wars characters!!!!!

YES!!!!! Boba Fet and Lando and muthaf'n YODA! force power bitches

[pabru]

SSB Slaughter! Mortal Combat Style! Yes!

Oh god that would be horrible, but it's a little fun to imagine.

[Fire in the Hole]

I can easily imagine an M rated Smash game. It brings an awesome picture to mind... Link slashes Mario and blood and guts fly, spattering the surrounding area. Characters slip when stepping on the gore. When characters hit the screen from an upwards KO, their bodies get broken apart, and the screen gets blood all over it, obscuring the view for the players, until it runs down it and drips off. The Home Run Bat Smash attack, instead of sending you flying, would cut you in half, or bash your head off. Haha, this game would be called Super Smash Bros Slaughter. By the way, I hope it comes to this. A game like this would delight me greatly.

hey I fixed that for you

[BigBoss]

hey I fixed that for you

hey you're a faggot

[chrono26]

hey you're a lovely man

you're welcome

[Red Shadow]

you're welcome

♥ ♥~(ۦ٤ۦ) ~

[HideousBeing]

hey I fixed that for you
I object!:sad: Sicko!

[Kureejii Lea]

One more question: Those of you have played LoZOoT and LoZ Majora's Mask, why is Ruto's model from OoT made to where a dress in MM as Lulu? Tell me Nintendo didn't offend because Ruto was naked originally...

Probably to look more the part of a glamorous diva.

Of course, one could argue that those may be more likely to be found nude in scandalous situations, but hey...

[Theory of N]

I think they should put in Star Wars characters!!!!!

See, these are the characters I don't think should be in a Smash game. Not because I don't like them, same w/ FF7 chars. I love FF but none of the characters would fit in a Smash game. They're too...realistic (?) or something. I probably would've thought the same w/ Marth and Roy had I known who they were and that they were going to be in Melee.

[BigBoss]

Final Fantasy would work IF, instead of appeasing to the thousands of faggots and putting in characters from FF7 onwards, they instead made characters out of the old lovable classes. Having Cloud or Squall or [insert faggot here] in would be gay as hell, but having a Warrior with shiny red armour or a good old Black Mage would be awesome.

[Brithor]

Final Fantasy would work IF, instead of appeasing to the thousands of faggots and putting in characters from FF7 onwards, they instead made characters out of the old lovable classes. Having Cloud or Squall or [insert faggot here] in would be gay as hell, but having a Warrior with shiny red armour or a good old Black Mage would be awesome.

Yeah, I agree. But you've got to remember that untill now, every Smash Bros. character has been a hmm, how do I say it... 'real' characters. If they include Black Mages for example, they should include Paratroopas aswell. So I think it's more likely, if they do add FF characters (Don't think that's gonna happen though) they'll add some of those 'faggots' you're talking about :P

[Hadriel]

What the fuck are you idiots on?

Final Fantasy characters aren't realistic. They're just as over-the-top as anything Nintendo ever came up with. Somebody like Cloud or Squall would fit in absolutely fucking perfectly with the Super Smash Bros. design ethic precisely because of that. They even have pre-existing Limit moves that could easily be adapted to serve as SSB special moves. Not only that, FFVII-and-onwards characters are pretty much the only ones that actually HAVE distinctive moves instead of generic techs or spells. I could see Mog being a character, but nobody else pre-VII is really that goddamned unique in combat terms.

I don't care whether you fucking like FFVII or not; that's your own prerogative. But not a one of you is going to sit there and tell me Cloud doesn't fit the atmosphere, because he DOES. People said this same stupid bullshit when they announced Solid Snake, and it's wrong for exactly the same reason.

For that matter, I wonder why LozOoT was rated only E. In some dungeons, the Shadow Temple and Underneath the Well I believe, there were bloodstains all over the walls and floors. Beneath the Well, there was also a room where there was some green toxic liquid in which skeletonized hands were sticking out of. The well also had a room where there were seemingly some type of torture devices. There were chains hanging from posts and similar apparatuses to a cross- all with bloodstains beneath. Also, the combat features animated blood flying often, though it is usually discolored green or blue. Slash the walls in Jabu-jabu's Belly, and blue blood will fly. At the end of the game, Ganandorf once coughs up blood clearly, and when Link executes the final few blows against Ganon, he throws blood all over the place. So can anyone explain why ESRB rated LoZOoT E, yet SSBM T?

You forgot to mention that the Shadow Temple is made out of HUMAN CORPSES. The only applicable answer is that the ESRB are either inattentive or just hypocritical fuckwads. Ocarina of Time deserved a T rating, end of discussion.

One more question: Those of you have played LoZOoT and LoZ Majora's Mask, why is Ruto's model from OoT made to where a dress in MM as Lulu? Tell me Nintendo didn't offend because Ruto was naked originally...

Most of the other Zoras were naked; I'm pretty sure it was just the character.

Also note that I'm not actually requesting that Cloud be in the game. I can live without extra Final Fantasy advertising until Squeenix remembers how to write stories that don't fucking suck balls.

[FuriousFure]

What the fuck are you idiots on?

Final Fantasy characters aren't realistic. They're just as over-the-top as anything Nintendo ever came up with. Somebody like Cloud or Squall would fit in absolutely fucking perfectly with the Super Smash Bros. design ethic precisely because of that. They even have pre-existing Limit moves that could easily be adapted to serve as SSB special moves. Not only that, FFVII-and-onwards characters are pretty much the only ones that actually HAVE distinctive moves instead of generic techs or spells. I could see Mog being a character, but nobody else pre-VII is really that goddamned unique in combat terms.

I don't care whether you fucking like FFVII or not; that's your own prerogative. But not a one of you is going to sit there and tell me Cloud doesn't fit the atmosphere, because he DOES. People said this same stupid bullshit when they announced Solid Snake, and it's wrong for exactly the same reason.



You forgot to mention that the Shadow Temple is made out of HUMAN CORPSES. The only applicable answer is that the ESRB are either inattentive or just hypocritical fuckwads. Ocarina of Time deserved a T rating, end of discussion.



Most of the other Zoras were naked; I'm pretty sure it was just the character.

wow, sounds like someone missed vocab lessons in middle school.
maybe you should maybe crack a dictionary open, you'll find some usefull words in there.

anyhoo, no final fantasy character, except old school NES guys belong on Smash Bros. who cares if the "fit in" anyone can "fit in" white mage or who ever. i'm still rooting for chrono or maybe frog. lavos attacks for the Brawl move? i think so!

yep. rawr rawr rawr! I get angry over hypothetical situations and ideas! rawr!

[Hadriel]

wow, sounds like someone missed vocab lessons in middle school.

Looking at your grammar and spelling, I don't feel that I need to respond to you.

[chrono26]

i'm still rooting for chrono

you mean CRONO. but anyway,


OH GOD YES :-)

c'mon square-enix/nintendo....make it happen

[pabru]

Frog might be a little much, but crono? That would be cool. The problem with the old final fantasy characters, is that they are different for each player. If they put in a fighter, some guy is gonna be like: "But my best character was a theif" or something like that. You'd be surprised how many gay people are out there.

[Theory of N]

You'd be surprised how many gay people are out there.

Yeah, this world is ROAMING with homosexuals.

[Alpine Flame]

Man, I sense so much anger of late. Has it really come down to squabbling over someones spelling and grammar in this thread? People need to calm down a little. Surely there is something a little more constructive than "I hate (insert FF7 character) and they souldn't be in SSBB." I mean, post about your thought on new items or new adventure levels or something. The fact is, Nintendo will do whatever they wnat to with SSBB, and when it comes out, we'll play it, judge it, and say yay or gay. Until then, let's keep the "that character idea is gay" flaming to a minimum. It's getting old. No. Really. It's getting old.

[chrono26]

Man, I sense so much anger of late. Has it really come down to squabbling over someones spelling and grammar in this thread? People need to calm down a little. Surely there is something a little more constructive than "I hate (insert FF7 character) and they souldn't be in SSBB." I mean, post about your thought on new items or new adventure levels or something. The fact is, Nintendo will do whatever they wnat to with SSBB, and when it comes out, we'll play it, judge it, and say yay or gay. Until then, let's keep the "that character idea is gay" flaming to a minimum. It's getting old. No. Really. It's getting old.

we used up all of our good talk in the previous 200 pages ;-)

[Theory of N]

we used up all of our good talk in the previous 200 pages ;-)
lol, yeah, there's nothing really left to talk about :p

But I agree, this thread is getting kind of old and it's getting very repetitive...

[Zup]

But I agree, this thread is getting kind of old and it's getting very repetitive.

[Wipomatic]

I implore Masahiro Sakurai to release SOME sort of information that we can discuss, before this thread comes to blows.

[G_D]

I predict before any new news comes out this thread will die and be reborn, which would probably be a good thing right about now.

[Alpine Flame]

200+ pages? I think you can only kick a dead horse so much... this thread will either resort to arena style violence or die by page 250.....

[BigBoss]

hey guys this thread is OLD AND HAS A LOT OF PAGES

AM I COOL YET

[FuriousFure]

Looking at your grammar and spelling, I don't feel that I need to respond to you.

Because, you know, grammar and vocabulary are completely the same thing.

Honestly, I don't care if you respond to me or not. (although you did respond to me, even though you just said you didn't feel the need to respond to me)
Just keep in mind that you sound like a complete moron when you have to resort to swearing to express your thoughts and that adjectives are your friends.

yes, and I meant Crono. Frog would maybe be a bit much for a main character but fun if they included him. I thought that it would be also cool to have The Brawl move, have a Triple Tech, with maybe Frog and Robo

[The Mutericator]

But I agree, this thread is getting kind of old and it's getting very repetitive.

[chrono26]

ok...so i was thinking.....FF7 characters? cloud should be in it. maybe even characters from FF8. like sqall. squall and cloud should be in SSBB. what do you guys think? wait....did we discuss this already?

[FuriousFure]

Well, figure out something else to say other than "its getting repetitive" and it won't be.

how about online, that would be cool for leader boards and online ranks.

Did/do you guys use the Stats on melee at all?

[pabru]

Yeah the best part of this version is going to be the wifi play.... they better include wifi play anyways...


Also there should be unlockable items. It might unbalance the game, so I don't know if it would work, but it would be pretty cool.

[dsx100]

We definately need to start talking about something else other than characters. I can not stress how many times people mention FF VII characters. I am not even going to get into that. Read my previous posts, which aren't that far back in the thread, for my opinion on that.

Here is a list of topics I think we can discuss that does not concern characters.

1. Game Play (new mechanics, destructible envirnoments, classic vs. motion sensitive etc.)
2. Minigames (end cerdits, remeber it was said motion controls would not be used for "main" gameplay)
3. Music (Come on, this is OCR. Don't tell me nobody thinks about it)
4. Stages (Classic and New)
5. Cinematics (Opening, Character endings)
6. Nostalgia (Trophies, Character Profiles, Stage History)
7. On-line Play and Wii-connect 24

And I am sure that there are much more.

[Broken]

We definately need to start talking about something else other than characters. I can not stress how many times people mention FF VII characters. I am not even going to get into that. Read my previous posts, which aren't that far back in the thread, for my opinion on that.

Here is a list of topics I think we must discuss that does not concern characters.

1. Mind Games (fake outs, trash talking, betting copious amounts of money on matches)


And I am sure that there is nothing more.

Fixed for great justice.

[FuriousFure]

why don't people stop changing other peoples quotes.
How pompus do you have to be to imply that these people are wrong in what they said and that it needs to be "fixed"

I think if they stay with the trophies, that they have pixelated ones and maybe even animanted "3D" gifs.

[dsx100]

Fixed for great justice.

Dude, you are way into the competitive scene.

And, Character profiles with fully animated 3D models would be realy cool. Nice idea FuriousFure.

[HideousBeing]

Also there should be unlockable items. It might unbalance the game, so I don't know if it would work, but it would be pretty cool.Items already screw up the balance of the game. You make it sound as if items themselves help balance the game. Sorry, no.
Edit: Can anyone give me instructions on how to "put" a document (this one's a Microsoft Word file) online so that others can dl it? Can this be done on this site, or would I have to link to another site where its possible?

[Fire in the Hole]

I enjoy it when people change other people's quotes.
It's not at all pompus and in fact hilarious when they imply that these people are wrong in what they said and that it needs to be "fixed." I completely understand the quality of this maneuver as a totally non-serious joke.

there you go

[CE]

Items already screw up the balance of the game. You make it sound as if items themselves help balance the game. Sorry, no.
Edit: Can anyone give me instructions on how to "put" a document (this one's a Microsoft Word file) online so that others can dl it? Can this be done on this site, or would I have to link to another site where its possible?

http://www.rapidshare.com/

[Theory of N]

Items already screw up the balance of the game. You make it sound as if items themselves help balance the game. Sorry, no.


LOL! Let's get away from this topic asap. There's already about 10 pages items "ruining the game". I'm pretty sure it ended up in "play the game however you want and stop bitching about how the game's 'supposed' to be played". Let's not go there again.

[dsx100]

LOL! Let's get away from this topic asap. There's already about 10 pages items "ruining the game". I'm pretty sure it ended up in "play the game however you want and stop bitching about how the game's 'supposed' to be played". Let's not go there again.

Completely agreed. Stay away form this topic.

[Theory of N]

What if, instead of having Trophies as just collectibles, they introduced some kind of mini-game that you play w/ the trophies (or whatever they are in this game) you collected?

[HideousBeing]

LOL! Let's get away from this topic asap. There's already about 10 pages items "ruining the game". I'm pretty sure it ended up in "play the game however you want and stop bitching about how the game's 'supposed' to be played". Let's not go there again.Yeah, I remember. I've read back that far. This thread is so extensive, it could be divided into several chapters. It'd be like: 1-Character Speculation, 2- Brawl announced (yes this thread goes back to before Brawl was announced; you can see people's reactions to when it was announced at page like 13 and they're still funny to read) 3- Final Fantasy Character Inclusion Debates (this could probably be divided into chapters also, lol) 5- "Items, Cheap or not?" debate, 6- WiFi speculation, 7- Stage speculation, 8- Melee Tier debates.
Oh, and one more: 9- Who's gay and why debates sparked by little differences in opinion.:mrgreen:

[JoeFu]

:) I made the first post about SSBB!

[Noodle]

hey guys this thread is OLD AND HAS A LOT OF PAGES

AM I COOL YET

* stabs *

[eternal Zero]

I just spent the last ten minutes reading about the last ten pages. Very quickly obviously...and nothing came of it. This thread, for all intents and purposes is dead. All I have really seen is a bunch of members who have joined quite recently with relatively few posts (though I am not one to talk) degenerate this thread to that of one on GameFaqs where all they do is insult each other like a bunch of twelve year olds stating facts and claims rarely qualifying their statements. Something like this is an eyesore and should seriously be locked unless if the quality of topic and/or posts improves. Although there is a sense of elitism present in these forums, there is a reason. As far as creating public transcripts with the intent of improving society, elitist methods are what propel the rest to higher levels of thinking.

Sorry about that last line. If you did not understand, read up on James C. Scott's work and do something productive.

But seriously. Bottom line: improve -something-.

[Ferret]

What we really need is some new Brawl info. But that seems to be scarce, huh?

[Alpine Flame]

SI, es muy muy scarce. The team of elite undercover hampsters that I've hired are turning up nothing. I'm wondering about the efficiency of hiring them...