Sonic Spinball

[Eon_Blue]

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/music/spinball.mp3

I know I need to mix it up a little bit - and there seems to be a point where things need to come 'up front' a little more - there's no real focused lead instrument.

This is my first song in reason 3 though, so I think I'm doing pretty good so far. Also, I need to work on those scratches a little bit - I'd like to have a little scratch breakdown session in there somewhere, but I figure that'll take some real time before I can nail that.

[FraGmenTd]

this is pretty freaking sweet, dude! I didn't mind the music in spinball, though it wasn't my favorite game by any means. And since I never made it past the first level most of the time, anyway, this song immidiately caught my attention. Nice job, although I can't really give you any suggestions as to what to do next on it, other than keep working on it. Nice production quality, although the arrangement is a little too close to the original. But this is a great start. Keep working on it, you'll get something eventually.

[djbrayster]

Wow i am loving the funk theme, you seem to have the funk theme better than the original had! definately liking the groove.

[Koiu Lpoi]

I am really liking that funky style you've got for this! My only complaint, really, is that the main bass is too "sub"-ish, and can't be heard as well. Other than that it's sounding great.

[IC]

Definitely a good base for a song. I think the lead is there, you should just emphasize it more. That dirty synth could sound a little prominent. What it needs more of though, imo, is something that fills the spectrum more. Some mid-to-high legato strings or pads, might fit nicely. The song sounds too barebones right now.

The drums sound a little dry to me, at least the hats, but I might have a habit of putting too much reverb on the percussion. And you might throw in a crisper snare, or maybe a rim or clap, in addition to the current one. Could just be personal preference though, so I'll leave that one up to you.

Anyways this songs got lots of potential, I'll tell you that, but it hasn't lived up to it yet. Keep at it. Increase the MOOD.

[hoshikitsuneomega]

Sonic Spinball is one of those games I wishe they would make a remix project for. You have really done this song justace, kept all the parts I have always liked, but made it sound smooth... Awesome job there... though I think it does need to be longer and have a little sorta solo thing there in the middle maybe, but that's good!

[ocremixfan]

hum... cool mixing! keep it going! ;)

[Eon_Blue]

Updated:

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/music/spinball.mp3

Took a few of the suggestions and applied them as best I could.

[Ujjay]

^That's a pretty f'n sweet song you got there.

I don't really have any suggestions for improving it.

[ocremixfan]

it's cool, but still too much similar to the original one... someone maybe could even mistake it for the original, or an official remake for a spinball ost disc

I don't know what to say to help you... custom melody parts, new song style (even the actual one being nice)... I dunno! I'm just a listener! The way it is now, I don't believe the judges would accept!

be creative and go ahead! ;)

[Eon_Blue]

it's cool, but still too much similar to the original one [...] The way it is now, I don't believe the judges would accept!

be creative and go ahead! ;)

Yeah, that's where I normally get stuck. I get in the habit of improvising too much, and it doesn't sound like a remix anymore...

I'll keep working on it though - still looking to get some decent scratch programming in there somewhere...

[IC]

Though it didn't change much, I liked the first one better--the bass was better before, and so was the first synth that comes in.

[djbrayster]

Yeah, that's where I normally get stuck. I get in the habit of improvising too much, and it doesn't sound like a remix anymore...

Go with the flow! improv is what makes a good mix! if the mix is original and varied to the source it works well. I have heard remixes what only use one riff of a melody and still work well. it just needs to be reconisable that its that game, as it is its cool. but if you added some improv sections it would be awesome.
This style of music has alot of scope. go with the flow! :)

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Damn Eon, color me impressed

respect +1

[Escariot]

Really enjoying the lead you have in there. The scratches give me flashbacks of Toejam and Earl... Bad flashbacks. The organ synth isn't bad, but isn't good enough to stand on it's own. Not sure what to say to make it sound better. I really like the lead-in you have at :43 and :44. One of the games I used to play for countless hours just to pass the time years ago, and this remix brings back some fond memories. Good job, keep up the good work, and I'll check for updates periodically

[Uncle]

Dang. You're pretty good at this remixing thing.

Everything sounds decent as is. Not sure what to suggest..

I'd seriously like to see some crazy soloing.

Maybe, if they fit together, you could have a section towards the end of the final version where various instruments would each play a separate part of the tune all at once.
Or you could cut the bass for an eight-count or two.
Or both.
Maybe you've already done so and I haven't noticed. I don't really remember the original arrangement so it's possible.

Where this current WIP ended, I seriously was expecting things to pick up again at the top of the next measure. You should think about doing something like that: cut everything out, rest for a beat or so, come back with something like measure 5 on a new measure.


Finish this.

[Eon_Blue]

Updated again:

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/music/spinball.mp3

I think it'd be pretty awesome to have some rapping over this - it'd at least lengthen it out a little, and the fact that it repeats a little bit wouldn't interfere with the flow of the song.

This update just cleans up the EQ a little bit - I think that's where most of my problems lie with my remixes.

[Spoom]

Very nice stylistically. I can definitely groove to this.

A bit repetitive. The main theme repeats a lot with various overlays; try to mix it up a little in the later parts.

Dunno about the rap, I could see it but personally I'd prefer it if this just got a little more varied.

Nice work.

[Mr. Bottle Rocket]

The hi-hats are too present now methinks, like giant pin pricks to the ears.

[avaris]

defiantly something to groove too, it's like late 80's earl 90's rap. the hi hats r a lil high, just a lil though not much. I'd say either actually have some vocals, or go with some crazy solo somewhere, maybe mess around with the melody and see if u can't come up with some kind of solo, def a good mix

[Eon_Blue]

Updated again.

Looking for someone to collaborate with on this one. It's done entirely in Reason 3, I don't think I used any extra refills or samples.

I figure maybe someone else can take it in that new direction - either that, or I can let it sit for a while until I get inspired again, I guess...

Any takers?

[hoshikitsuneomega]

Man, that's getting pretty cool, I like the update a *lot* more. The only thing that bugs me a *little* is the main tune there sounds a bit too midish... but the funk is great...

[Eon_Blue]

Updated again, still hunting for collab.

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/music/spinball.mp3

Cleaned up EQ some more, fixed a few sharp spots regarding treble.

[hoshikitsuneomega]

That sounds terrific! I totally love it!

[ocremixfan]

it's really better than the last ones...

however, it's still quite repetitive... I think you should do some composition. and a simple detail: isn't the tune that shows up at 0:27 too faded away?

[SonicTweaker]

Your bass is pretty faithful to the original style, and your percussion's pretty nice as well. What I'd suggest is to double up with the lead somewhere down the line with a patch that has a bit more chorus, slightly panned to the left. Something to give the song more feel after it's been repeating, ya know? The lead alone just seems like it's missing something.

That lead also bothers me a bit as well... Maybe something less piercing? I really like the rest though, cool stuff. This was always my favorite tune in Spinball, so it's nice to see it's finally getting some well deserved attention.

[Siamey]

holy snap, ive always loved toxic caves.

can you post the rns plz, im begging you

[Ramaniscence]

Just a thought, but i'd think song could really benefit from alittle more 808. Kinda of like Rayza's Sonik Elektronik (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01181/) or whatever..

I mean hell, it's practically ALREADY an electro funk song.

I'm not saying do the whole SONG like that..I'm just saying...I might work? >_>

[WANGpizza]

Oh sweet jesus yes.

The music is what I loved this game for. Howard Drossin is such a fantastic composer.

<3

[Siamey]

lol, like 2 weeks ago i got the rns and worked on it for about 30 min and then forgot about it cause i was moving into the dorms..

anywho..

SUM STUFF (http://siamey.com/ocr/toxiccaves.mp3)


so yea, eon if you think i improved anything, you're welcome to the rns. if not, sorry for wasting your time :!:

[Eon_Blue]

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/music/spinball.mp3

Updated siamey's update on my original update.

Not sure if I like the water at the end. Cliche much? :lol:

[hoshikitsuneomega]

This mix has turned out quite awesome. I love the beginning, it's full of little interesting things here and there that really keep it going! I still think it could use a little solo part in the middle though, but that's just me. Also, myself, I like the ending there, so *holds her thumbs up high*

[ocremixfan]

I usually dislike mixes with lots of effects... but this one got somehow better.
If you want to submit it, it could worth a try, but you know... you can always spot a flaw to fix if you take the time! :P
Let's see if it will make through the merciless judges... :lol:

[DJ MacG]

Wow man. I've always loved the music in Sonic Spinball, and this remix is spectacular.

[Chickenwarlord]

If the judges don't see how awesome this is, then nothing can make it through.

[Siamey]

i like the mastering work on the bass n stuff you've done but i have to say i really really prefer my detuned version of the instrument which comes in at :43 in my edit.

but yea, good stuff

[Eon_Blue]

i like the mastering work on the bass n stuff you've done but i have to say i really really prefer my detuned version of the instrument which comes in at :43 in my edit.

but yea, good stuff

Yeah, I detuned that organ again, and now it adds an awesome effect to the wah parts at :55 and 1:47 - very cool.

Also, no one's got any qualms with the water part at the end? It's not the greatest sample, but I don't think I was overdoing it too much. I thought it fit pretty well.

I also added some of that reverb back - I like the echo sound it seems to add, and I think it suits the cave theme well - that was part of the point of adding the delays to several instruments.

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/music/spinball.mp3

[avaris]

that synth in the intro just hitting notes needs to be more in the background and prob panned. It's gets old real fast.

overall nice arrangement, u gots lots of variation which is a good thing.

Dude that water thing reminds of ur sig way too much WTF! I think it's OK. Not real bad, not too good either. If your heart is set on keeping, then prob lower the volume. You could take it and run it through a granulizer. Rip just the water synth playing playing it's ending piece as a wav file, and then feed that wav file through a grandulizer. I've done this to part of my schala mix and found it yield pretty good results.

[Spoom]

I think the detuning of the organ is a little much, perhaps you could have it fade into being detuned in a certain part of the song? With it being there all the time it's kinda distracting, I guess you could say.

I like the water bit at the end, it works well with the song and with the level it's remixing. Whether cliche or not, to my ears it works.

[Red Shadow]

Why do I not see this in either the "to be judged" or "to be posted" queue in the judges decisons forum?

It ought to be in one of those right now.

[Eon_Blue]

Why do I not see this in either the "to be judged" or "to be posted" queue in the judges decisons forum?

It ought to be in one of those right now.

Still messing around with it a little bit - I don't think it'll pass without something straying from the original in the middle.

[BiG WhEEL]

Woah, Sweet mix man! that actually sounds toxic. but i think my beats kinda suck

[Eon_Blue]

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/music/Siamey%20&%20Eon_Blue%20-%20Noise%20Pollution.mp3

Latest update. Also, a title.

[Mr. Bottle Rocket]

Pretty dang funkay, still needs to break free of the original arrangement a bit more around the middle i'd say.

[Red Shadow]

hahah, excellent title

[hoshikitsuneomega]

This mix it tight... I love the way it came out... if the judges don't vote it in, I swear I might cry...

At least I already have it though... ^^

[zircon]

Very cool... lots of improvements since I last heard it. I would spruce up the percussion more by adding fills and variations from measure to measure. Snares, toms, rides, maybe some more breaks layered on top of what you have now, that kind of stuff.

A little less repetition would be good. Try doing some solos over the progression, switch around the bassline, maybe do a key change, go to 3/4, I dunno - you rely on the main riff an awful lot. That will be a problem if/when this hits the panel.

[Evilride]

Eh, all I hear is the same thing over and over again. The beat is great, the sound effects are awesome, but it just does the same thing the whole song. It doesn't have much ReMix value in my opinion, and is WAAAAYYY too repetitive. It also sounds a little empty at certain parts, such as when it hits the chorus section. Try adding some long string-type sound effects, and cut the lenth down a bit.

It's a great ReMix, but you gotta work on it a bit.
Keep at it ^_^

[Eon_Blue]

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/music/Eon_Noise_Pollution.mp3

Updated again, I'm having a hard time deciding if I like the 8bit part, though I like the way the song 'falls apart' heading into it - I'd like to bring that out a little more. Then have the song 'rebuild' itself from the 8bit stage, back into main theme, then have it finally blast out at the end. I think I need some better 8bit refills to really go nuts in middle section.

I'm really trying to make this have a real groove to it, something you can't help but tap your feet to...

[hoshikitsuneomega]

As a lot of the remixers here have already said, it needs a soloish part in the middle... some custom self-written part...

I don't like the 8 bit version... I don't usually ever like anything with 8 bit sound in it...

but that's just me.

I would use the last version (the one posted before the 8 bit one) and add a soloish to the middle...

[ocremixfan]

Not just you... me too! :P
You said just enough!