that 'reverse reverb' effect?

[anonymous hippopotamus]

I guess that's what it is... the best example I can think of is the effect Phil Collins uses on his vocals in "in the air tonight" (yeah yeah i know...) but it's been in a lot of other stuff.
I'm sure you know what I mean.

How is it done?

[zircon]

I can't think of what you're talking about. An mp3 example would be very useful.

[anonymous hippopotamus]

dang ok let me try to find one real quick sorry :)

edit: ok here we go... something like this


http://www.maphematics.org/noop/example.mp3


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004XSML/sr=8-2/qid=1151386986/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-9092628-5944123?ie=UTF8
or that, listen to "beachcoma" the effect used on the horns (sounds like a 'reverse' reverb or delay)

[Navi]

Do this.

Take the clip you want effected. Cut it and make it a new file. Make sure you leave some nice blank space at the beginning of it. Once you have this new clip, reverse it (so the blank space is at the end) then apply a shitton of your reverb of choice on it. It should have a nice long tail. Mess around with some effects on it or whatever, then reverse it again (back to normal) and then place it back in your song.

:)

[OverCoat]

I can't think of what you're talking about.

Yeah you do! Remember I asked you about this like last year? :D

[Phntm of the Opra]

Anyone who's played Diablo II should know the reverse reverb from Tyrael's voice, I bet they maxed the settings on him too. It's also heavily used on My Bloody Valentine's Loveless, both on guitars and voice.

[Hy Bound]

Do this.

Take the clip you want effected. Cut it and make it a new file. Make sure you leave some nice blank space at the beginning of it. Once you have this new clip, reverse it (so the blank space is at the end) then apply a shitton of your reverb of choice on it. It should have a nice long tail. Mess around with some effects on it or whatever, then reverse it again (back to normal) and then place it back in your song.

:)

Wow, thats a great idea, ive never thought of that... You are my hero myf!

Also, for mentioning Hybrid, Anonymous, you are F'ing awesome...

yeah... i guess im easily impressed this morning...

[anonymous hippopotamus]

Do this.

Take the clip you want effected. Cut it and make it a new file. Make sure you leave some nice blank space at the beginning of it. Once you have this new clip, reverse it (so the blank space is at the end) then apply a shitton of your reverb of choice on it. It should have a nice long tail. Mess around with some effects on it or whatever, then reverse it again (back to normal) and then place it back in your song.

:)

Wow, thats a great idea, ive never thought of that... You are my hero myf!

Also, for mentioning Hybrid, Anonymous, you are F'ing awesome...

yeah... i guess im easily impressed this morning...

haha thanks. i love Hybrid. also, the other example is from a track by Daedelus... he rules pretty hard.

i've heard the effect in other tracks but i can't think of them at the moment hehe

[realpolitik]

Do this.

Take the clip you want effected. Cut it and make it a new file. Make sure you leave some nice blank space at the beginning of it. Once you have this new clip, reverse it (so the blank space is at the end) then apply a shitton of your reverb of choice on it. It should have a nice long tail. Mess around with some effects on it or whatever, then reverse it again (back to normal) and then place it back in your song.

:)


nice one myf ;)

just simple gated reverb son.

used in like, hardstyle/hard trance on the kickdrums and claps all the time, except it's reversed.

[anonymous hippopotamus]

just simple gated reverb son.

used in like, hardstyle/hard trance on the kickdrums and claps all the time, except it's reversed.


yeah, i get that but im saying HOW is it reversed? :)

[realpolitik]

after doing what myf described

you take the section of reverb on the tail and reverse it so it sounds like this (http://finalhazard.googlepages.com/GTKick09.wav).

yeah dude.

[Yoozer]

yeah, i get that but im saying HOW is it reversed? :)

Well, you open the file in a hex editor, chop off the .wav file header, scroll to the end, and then write down the last of the series of nibbles. Then you open another hex editor and paste the .wav file header in there, and you write down the series -first-.

Keep this up for a few years and you'll have reversed your waveform.

No, of course not :lol:. You install a wave editor like Audacity : http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ and then choose the menu option "reverse".

[Navi]

Well, you open the file in a hex editor, chop off the .wav file header, scroll to the end, and then write down the last of the series of nibbles. Then you open another hex editor and paste the .wav file header in there, and you write down the series -first-.

Keep this up for a few years and you'll have reversed your waveform.

Man, trance must have been so hard back in the day. ;)

[anonymous hippopotamus]

wait. i think some people might have misunderstood (or maybe my fault for not explaining too well)

the reverb comes BEFORE the sample played. and it sounds reversed (or maybe it just 'fades' in). there is nothing after the sample.
know what i mean? i think Phntm of the Opra's example was just the thing i'm thinking of.

plus like, i know this can be done with some simple chopping and cutting up but there HAS to be an easier way, some effect or something because there's no way it would be used as much as it is if it were THAT tedious to do...
that's what i'm asking if anyone knows :)

[Yoozer]

No no no no no. The explanation was already given. We understand what you're trying to do. You really should try to do it as it was written.

Wait, let me illustrate it.
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8826/explanationreversereverb3tx.png
See?

[Beatdrop]

Nice illustration. Simple and highly effective. Kudos.

[Malcos]

Actually drew it out and everything!

Try using a delay instead of a reverb for a slightly different result; it's interesting with vocals.

[anonymous hippopotamus]

dang!! nice illustration :)

thanks for the help everyone. if anyone else has any ideas on how this effect can be acheived hook it up! :)

[Navi]

Honestly, I can't think of a simpler way to achieve this effect. From my limited knowledge of vsts and plugins, anything that would be able to achieve this effect would probably be a) CPU consuming and b) pointless.

[analoq]

Wait, let me illustrate it.
overachiever

[Legion303]

Try using a delay instead of a reverb for a slightly different result; it's interesting with vocals.

It sure is. The best example I can think of off the top of my head is Sepultura's "Slaves of Pain". Reverse-delayed vocals are awesome.

-steve

[Phntm of the Opra]

Try using a delay instead of a reverb for a slightly different result; it's interesting with vocals.

It sure is. The best example I can think of off the top of my head is Sepultura's "Slaves of Pain". Reverse-delayed vocals are awesome.

-steve

Reverse delay is done differantly though. If you'd apply the same technic of reverse reverb with a delay you'd get an ascending delay. (wich is cool none the less).

Anyone know how to do a reverse delay without haveing a reverse delay software?

[anonymous hippopotamus]

Try using a delay instead of a reverb for a slightly different result; it's interesting with vocals.

It sure is. The best example I can think of off the top of my head is Sepultura's "Slaves of Pain". Reverse-delayed vocals are awesome.

-steve

Reverse delay is done differantly though. If you'd apply the same technic of reverse reverb with a delay you'd get an ascending delay. (wich is cool none the less).

Anyone know how to do a reverse delay without haveing a reverse delay software?

Reverse Delay Software??? ?????????

[Phntm of the Opra]

Try using a delay instead of a reverb for a slightly different result; it's interesting with vocals.

It sure is. The best example I can think of off the top of my head is Sepultura's "Slaves of Pain". Reverse-delayed vocals are awesome.

-steve

Reverse delay is done differantly though. If you'd apply the same technic of reverse reverb with a delay you'd get an ascending delay. (wich is cool none the less).

Anyone know how to do a reverse delay without haveing a reverse delay software?

Reverse Delay Software??? ?????????

Don't sound so shocked:

http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/download.asp?ID=55

Sounds beautiful on piano: http://www.gvst.co.uk/GRevDly01.mp3

[Legion303]

Reverse delay is done differantly though. If you'd apply the same technic of reverse reverb with a delay you'd get an ascending delay.

Which is what I was referring to. What were you referring to?

-steve

[Phntm of the Opra]

Reverse-delayed vocals are awesome.

I thought you were referring to Reverse delay as Dry signal with delay signal reversed and trailing after the dry signal. That's how normal "reverse delays" work (if there is anything normal about them :P) but I guess you where talking about an ascending delay.

[Mairuzu]

Reverse Reverbed or Delayed sounds can only really be done in a studio environment.
Imagine the effect live? The only way it'd be possible would be like a time machine or something..That somehow forsees what the singer is about to sing.
Unless.. the wet signal was recorded, cut up and somehow synced to something. I bet someone could do something like this in Cycling 74's Max/MSP. I'm nowhere near that standard though. But I guess the guys at IRCAM did compose an aria sung my a dead singer (Maria Callas)..
hmm..

[Phntm of the Opra]

Reverse Reverbed or Delayed sounds can only really be done in a studio environment.
Imagine the effect live? The only way it'd be possible would be like a time machine or something..That somehow forsees what the singer is about to sing.

I happen to have two moderatly cheap digital stomp boxes. A DigiTech DigiVerb, that has a reverse reverb and works pretty good live, check out the sample: http://www.digitech.com/products/xseriesflash/DigiVerb.html

The demo has a 50% mix or so, a 100% mix will result in the reverse reverb starting when you start strumming so having your actual chord or note land on a 1 with 100% mix is very hard as you need to start playing beforehand.

I also have a Boss DD-6 a digital delay that has reverse delay. Again with 100% mix the sound will useually come after you play. This effect does on the other hand chop up your playing into bits as you spoke of. It has a tap tempo so you can semi-sync your playing but it's mostly just good for a lush feel.

http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/demos/en/DD-6_sound/demo.html

nr. 2 is reverse delay.

As you can hear sometimes the reverse starts at the end of your last note that results in choppy sound.

[Dafydd]

Anyone who's played Diablo II should know the reverse reverb from Tyrael's voice, I bet they maxed the settings on him too. It's also heavily used on My Bloody Valentine's Loveless, both on guitars and voice.

Don't forget about the Protoss voices in Starcraft. :) I've always wondered how they made that effect. Oddly enough, I started thinking about it last week and I came up with the same solution as described by you guys - and now I see this thread. Weird.

[anonymous hippopotamus]

Reverse Reverbed or Delayed sounds can only really be done in a studio environment.
Imagine the effect live? The only way it'd be possible would be like a time machine or something..That somehow forsees what the singer is about to sing.
Unless.. the wet signal was recorded, cut up and somehow synced to something. I bet someone could do something like this in Cycling 74's Max/MSP. I'm nowhere near that standard though. But I guess the guys at IRCAM did compose an aria sung my a dead singer (Maria Callas)..
hmm..


yeaaahhh my thoughts exactly hehe.

[Yoozer]

Reverse Reverbed or Delayed sounds can only really be done in a studio environment.
Imagine the effect live?
Yes. Just start playing earlier so the box/software/whatever has the time to apply the algorithm. Tricky, though ;).

Most "reverse reverbs" in effect boxes are just reverb with an inverted envelope applied; e.g. dry sound -> (nothing) -> fade into reverb.

[Legion303]

Reverse Reverbed or Delayed sounds can only really be done in a studio environment.
Imagine the effect live? The only way it'd be possible would be like a time machine or something..That somehow forsees what the singer is about to sing.

I used to have a Digitech guitar effects pedal that had a very good reverse reverb preset on it.

-steve

[Mairuzu]

I meant the wet signal becoming before the dry signal. As in simulating reversing an audio wave, applying reverb then reverse the audio file back to normal.
Which is obviously impossible live. As the guy who strated the topic was on about.

[ambient]

How come no one mentioned Reason's RV7000 reverse reverb algorithm?

http://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/index.cfm?fuseaction=get_article&article=closeuprv7000