Sony PS3

[Bigfoot]

I'm the sure PS3 will do well. It'll probably take some time though.

[Razumen]

I hope Logitech designs and releases a good wireless gamepad for the PS3, something like their past PS2 or Xbox offerings - I'm not all that crazy for their new 'chillstream' controller.

[sephfire]

We're going to need to keep a watchful eye out for quality 3rd-party controllers. The Sixaxis is sounding more and more like a complete travesty. No rumble. Cramp-inducing design. Bad shoulder buttons. And now apparently the controllers rechargable batteries are not replacable (once they wear out, the controller is worthless).

I almost always prefer 1st party controllers, but this thing just sounds like garbage.

[The Author]

I'm the sure PS3 will do well. It'll probably take some time though.

And some units.

[Penfold]

So I just checked out the newest batch of Resistance: Fall of Man vids on IGN. That game is lookin' pretty good.

[Bigfoot]

My friend went to Digital Life for the DDR tournament there. He said there was a PS3 set up to play some NBA game. He said that they picked a horrible game because it wasn't even that impressive looking.

[Bigfoot]

Great news guys. PS3s are being bundled with "Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby". ..ok that's sarcasm.


The controler is $50 and the batteries cannot be replaced. So Sony is offering to replace your controller for free whenever it dies.

PS2 memory card adapter is $15.

And the Blu-Ray remote is $25

[Razumen]

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps2/ps3-wont-enhance-ps1-or-ps2-games-209134.php

So the PS3 won't 'enhance' older titles (whoopdeedoo), what I'm interested in is whether it will upscale the video signals of 480i games to progressive scan?

[linkspast]

Great news guys. PS3s are being bundled with "Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby". ..ok that's sarcasm.


The controler is $50 and the batteries cannot be replaced. So Sony is offering to replace your controller for free whenever it dies.

PS2 memory card adapter is $15.

And the Blu-Ray remote is $25
So thats cool that instead of replacing batterise you just get a free controller... By the end of my Ps3 days I am going to have about 500 ps3 controllers laying around....

[CE]

The controler is $50 and the batteries cannot be replaced. So Sony is offering to replace your controller for free whenever it dies.

If as many people buy the PS3 as they did with the PS2, this'll lead to hellish levels of confusion at costumer services.

[BlueMage]

I'm truly amazed that, with the number of seemingly-foolish things Sony's doing this time around, people are still going to buy their product.

[watkinzez]

I'm truly amazed that, with the number of seemingly-foolish things Sony's doing this time around, people are still going to buy their product.

I'm interested to see how such decisions hurt Sony, if at all. They have got the market eating out of their hand.

[Razumen]

Great news guys. PS3s are being bundled with "Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby". ..ok that's sarcasm.


The controler is $50 and the batteries cannot be replaced. So Sony is offering to replace your controller for free whenever it dies.

PS2 memory card adapter is $15.

And the Blu-Ray remote is $25
So thats cool that instead of replacing batterise you just get a free controller... By the end of my Ps3 days I am going to have about 500 ps3 controllers laying around....

doubtful, you'll probably have to send in the dead controller to get it replaced, but I don't think the controller's rechargeable battery will die that fast - good batteries these days have little to no memory deterioriation. Still, I'll be looking out for some good 3rd party controllers to replace that ugly design which has plaqued Sony's system like some sort of nasy recurring venereal disease.

[Power Surge]

http://gaming.engadget.com/2006/10/19/sony-claims-xbox-360-requires-hd-dvd-etc-thus-costs-700/

Sony's bullshit just keeps on coming. They seem to be treating the game industry like a game of limbo; how low can they go?

[Bahamut]

Sony really needs to stop with this bullshit PR.

[The Damned]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060915.jpg

Sounds sort of familiar...

[Kitsuta]

You would hope so... it IS Penny Arcade.

I'm interested to see how such decisions hurt Sony, if at all. They have got the market eating out of their hand.

That's exactly what's hurting them right now. They act like they don't have to do anything to have people buy their system in droves, and it's downright insulting to a lot of gamers. We aren't mindless robots, we're rational consumers. If they keep acting like pompous jerks, they might(gasp!) lose significant market share to their competitors, who are both trying their best to gain/keep market share.

Obviously, there are plenty of people who don't give a rat's arse about what Sony says, but they are making quite a few blunders with their actual console as well.

And of course, there are plenty of people who are going to buy it anyway, but Sony is really giving the finger to people who aren't their die hard fans or in the market for a "cheap" Blu Ray player. We aren't just ignored, but our intelligence is also insulted with the PR bullshit they are doing.

Hence, the constant whining. :P

[Evilhead]

The whole point of including the blue ray player in there is to get people who wouldn't normally buy one to buy one. Duh.

[Bigfoot]

I guess I'm glad I'm not a big movie person then. $30 a movie...ouch.

[linkspast]

I guess I'm glad I'm not a big movie person then. $30 a movie...ouch.
Yeha its alot but If you and you and 3 of your friends went to see it in theaters thats $32 before gas, food and other junk at the theaters. Plus you get to keep the movie forever. But it still is outrageous.

[Bigfoot]

I guess I'm glad I'm not a big movie person then. $30 a movie...ouch.
Yeha its alot but If you and you and 3 of your friends went to see it in theaters thats $32 before gas, food and other junk at the theaters. Plus you get to keep the movie forever. But it still is outrageous.

I usually only watch movies once though :P So after I watch it, on the shelf it goes.

[linkspast]

I guess I'm glad I'm not a big movie person then. $30 a movie...ouch.
Yeha its alot but If you and you and 3 of your friends went to see it in theaters thats $32 before gas, food and other junk at the theaters. Plus you get to keep the movie forever. But it still is outrageous.

I usually only watch movies once though :P So after I watch it, on the shelf it goes.

have you ever thought of netflix, or a something like it. My friends watch a ton of movies, and they say its one of the greatest things as far as movies go.

EDIT: i guess netflix is $15 a month or somthing around there, so that alone is half the price of a blu-ray movie.

[The Damned]

Anyone remember back in the 90s, when Nintendo was like all "we're the industry standard lol!" and told companies that they were going to use cartridges because they were all "we decide how things are done!" and stuff? You remember that? Yeah? All that arrogance and jackassery? What happened to Nintendo? That's right, they went from first to pretty much last. Sony came in and took their spot and held it for the last couple of generations.

Now, we see Sony doing the exact same thing, but somehow they manage to do even worse. The high price, the completely batshit insane things their people are saying, their E3 presentation... I can't understand how Sony can not realise what's going to happen.

[Evilhead]

Now, we see Sony doing the exact same thing, but somehow they manage to do even worse. The high price, the completely batshit insane things their people are saying, their E3 presentation... I can't understand how Sony can not realise what's going to happen.

Honestly I don't see what the big deal is, other than the price. And I would definitely not be surprised to see price cuts in the States similar to the ones in Japan. Other than the cost, does you're average consumer watch live E3 coverage, or even know what the hell E3 is in the first place? Do the read gaming blogs and keep track of every thing that comes out of some Sony exec's mouth? Do they care? The only people who are concerned about this kind of thing are hardcore gamers, and those kind of people are either so anti-Sony that they'd refuse to buy it simply out of spite or so into games that dropping $500 or so on a launch console isn't going to crush them too badly.

What, exactly, has ACTUALLY been bad about the PS3 so far aside from the assumption of a high retail price?

[Bahamut]

Now, we see Sony doing the exact same thing, but somehow they manage to do even worse. The high price, the completely batshit insane things their people are saying, their E3 presentation... I can't understand how Sony can not realise what's going to happen.

Honestly I don't see what the big deal is, other than the price. And I would definitely not be surprised to see price cuts in the States similar to the ones in Japan. Other than the cost, does you're average consumer watch live E3 coverage, or even know what the hell E3 is in the first place? Do the read gaming blogs and keep track of every thing that comes out of some Sony exec's mouth? Do they care? The only people who are concerned about this kind of thing are hardcore gamers, and those kind of people are either so anti-Sony that they'd refuse to buy it simply out of spite or so into games that dropping $500 or so on a launch console isn't going to crush them too badly.

What, exactly, has ACTUALLY been bad about the PS3 so far aside from the assumption of a high retail price?

Well, that's just it, the casual gamers who wouldn't care about the hype do care about the price. Part of the appeal of the PS2 was its cheapness.

I do wonder when Sony is going to be able to make enough consoles though - I don't think we'll see a price drop until over an year after launch.

[KWarp]

Well how does the launch lineup look?

[Zutnunzor]

Well how does the launch lineup look?

Launch lineup right now is

• Resistance: Fall of Man
• NBA 07
• Genji: Days of the Blade
• Blazing Angels Squadrons of WWII–Ubisoft
• Call of Duty 3
• EA Sports Fight Night Round 3
• The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
• F.E.A.R.
• Full Auto 2: Battlelines
• Madden NFL 07
• MARVEL:ULTIMATE ALLIANCE
• Mobile Suit Gundam: CROSSFIRE
• NBA 2K7
• Need For Speed Carbon
• NHL 2K7
• RIDGE RACER 7
• Sonic the Hedgehog
• Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
• Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Vegas
• Tony Hawk’s Project 8
• Untold Legends Dark Kingdom

Source : http://www.destructoid.com/the-official-ps3-launch-game-lineup

The list keeps growing, but I'm excited for for most of the non-sports games. :)

[linkspast]

Now, we see Sony doing the exact same thing, but somehow they manage to do even worse. The high price, the completely batshit insane things their people are saying, their E3 presentation... I can't understand how Sony can not realise what's going to happen.

Honestly I don't see what the big deal is, other than the price. And I would definitely not be surprised to see price cuts in the States similar to the ones in Japan. Other than the cost, does you're average consumer watch live E3 coverage, or even know what the hell E3 is in the first place? Do the read gaming blogs and keep track of every thing that comes out of some Sony exec's mouth? Do they care? The only people who are concerned about this kind of thing are hardcore gamers, and those kind of people are either so anti-Sony that they'd refuse to buy it simply out of spite or so into games that dropping $500 or so on a launch console isn't going to crush them too badly.

What, exactly, has ACTUALLY been bad about the PS3 so far aside from the assumption of a high retail price?

how about the amout of units avaibale? buts that all i can think of that the common consumer would notice.

[watkinzez]

^Whoa, wasn't expecting Oblivion.

[Kitsuta]

The only people who are concerned about this kind of thing are hardcore gamers, and those kind of people are either so anti-Sony that they'd refuse to buy it simply out of spite or so into games that dropping $500 or so on a launch console isn't going to crush them too badly.

I love that dichotomy right there.

I consider myself a hardcore gamer. I pay attention to games, talk about them all the damn time, am working on one, etc etc. But I'm not dropping $500 on a system because I can't, because I think I can get more enjoyable games for a cheaper price, and because I don't have unlimited time to play all good games made(unfortunately). I guess that makes me anti-Sony.

Except, wait. I own a PS2, and besides the games I already own I am looking out for other PS2(and PS1) exclusives that I haven't had the pleasure of playing yet. How dare I!

[The Damned]

Fuck, guys, I just spent ten minutes writting out counter-points to Evilhead's post, but then you went and made them for me, but shorter and more concise.

Basicly, I think that the demographic that the PS3 is aimed for is compsed of both the "casual" and "hardcore" groups. Such a group would be in age from early teens to mid-twenties. Considering that that age group also happens to be highly reliant upon the internet for commuication, entertainment and news, it's a fair guess that they would read sites that covered video games, and that they would find out about things like E3. Yes, I would say that the very group Sony is aiming for is the ver group that would hear the most about the PS3, good and bad.

Interestingly enough, the same group is usually in school, or has a low-paying job, so dropping $500US on anything that isn't rent or an emergency isn't easily done. Hardcore or not, $500 is still $500.

Mind you, I have a hard time believing in "hardcore gamers". What exactly makes one "hardcore" or casual? Hours played? Games played? Systems owned? Personally, I call bullshit on the whole concept of the hardcore gamer. Sounds like something a marketing team came up with as part of a press-kit.

[Kitsuta]

Mind you, I have a hard time believing in "hardcore gamers". What exactly makes one "hardcore" or casual? Hours played? Games played? Systems owned? Personally, I call bullshit on the whole concept of the hardcore gamer. Sounds like something a marketing team came up with as part of a press-kit.

You are correct, sir!

Mostly, I just use the term to distinguish "people who care about video games and think they are serious business" from "people who don't care and/or think they are for childrens." But the hardcore/casual dichotomy is grossly oversimplified, to say the least.

[Evilhead]

Well, when I say "hardcore gamer" what I really mean is "avid gamer". Someone who buys more than one system per generation and spends a significant amount of time and money on games. Also someone who buys older games and systems. A casual gamer is somone who owns maybe one or two game systems total, tends to rent games rather than buying them, and can at times go for a week or two without playing at all.

And I think it's quite an assumption that most people who use the internet and have a game system at their house pour over video game news sites. Hell, I consider myself a fairly hardcore gamer and I rarely read gaming news beyond what is posted here or new release annoucements. If you walked up to some young person on the street and asked them what they think about all the statements Sony has been making lately, I'm betting you'll be getting a big 'huh?' from most people.

Yes, price is definitely a factor, and if they don't release the PS3 for under the suspected price (which happened for the PSP), they might lose some of their market to Nintendo or Microsoft initally, but I don't the PS3 flopping by a long shot. It's just got too much support. People often site the 3D0, NeoGeo, CDi, or other expensive consoles that didn't do well. But each of those systems had very limited software support. The NeoGeo has a fantasic library, but unless you were a hardcore 2D fighter fan and were willing to drop $300 a game and $800 for the system it was not for you. The 3D0 and some other systems like the Jaguar, CDi, etc, failed because of miserable software. If the 3D0 had tons of great games for it, would it still have failed simply because it was expensive? I don't think so. The iPod for instance, is overpriced, like all Apple products. But consumers will desire the coolest, most advanced, most hip technology out there and will be willing to pay for it. Nintendo is doing well for copying Apple's designs and packaging though.

[The Damned]

I would say that it is more horribly undefined than grossly oversimplified. Every example is subjective at best.

[Kitsuta]

I would say that it is more horribly undefined than grossly oversimplified. Every example is subjective at best.

As demonstrated by the difference between Evilhead's definition and mine.

The PS3 does have a lot of support from both developers and consumers, and people will buy it. But I'M still miffed at how they are acting towards people like me. That's all.

And one another note, one could argue that the real reason Nintendo lost so much steam is that they were pissing off their developers, and as soon as another viable option showed up a lot of the good ones(see: Square) jumped ship. So it isn't that great of an analogy.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Yes, price is definitely a factor, and if they don't release the PS3 for under the suspected price (which happened for the PSP), they might lose some of their market to Nintendo or Microsoft initally, but I don't the PS3 flopping by a long shot. It's just got too much support. People often site the 3D0, NeoGeo, CDi, or other expensive consoles that didn't do well. But each of those systems had very limited software support.

Yeah. I think Sony's heavy mainstream game support and even the occasional stuff for the hardcore types pretty much secure the demographic.

And with some people, I wonder if price is even an issue. I keep seeing people who snatch up 360s either by working for it or by being spoiled by their families/parents.

I even see kids strutting $300+ iPods around and to put it in perspective, a PS3 is the equivalent of two newest-type iPods.

I think people will give themselves all sorts of excuses and reasont to get a PS3 once the games start coming out. Even if they are garishly expensive to me personally, I can totally see people buying it regardless. Kinda, sorta like how people can even be urged into buying old games with newer consoles nowadays.

[PriZm]

Predictions regarding a console war are like prediction in hockey: so-called 'experts' always compare numbers and predict which team will win based on player skill, their experience with their team, their experience in playoffs, their supposedly quantitative determination and so forth. And in the end, it INVARIABLY goes against predictions.

So here are MY (wrong) predictions.

Wii will be cool for like two weeks, a month maybe, but then players will get tiret of this new gimmick. Osu Tatakae Ouendan ! wall a cool game because it was on a portable console and you can play at school and while taking a shit, but wouldn't do nearly as well on a home console. So I don't really care about the "revolution" that's coming.

X360 will suffer from lack of Japanese support. Sports game from EA are still cool though, and will probably sell like hot cakes in the States. Let's see if they can pierce the Japanese market. Microsfot has a huge advantage over the other two in NA because programming for Xenon is slightly different than programming with PS3 or Wii, so developes might feel more driven towards Xenon to maximize development time on creativity, playability and level design instead of technicalities.

PS3 will offer more eye candy at launch it is actually a blu-ray player but will be moe expensive for those who are short on money. i STILL don't think 650$ is expensive for a Blu-ray player/gaming console. It has been gven bad press and their PR people are very bad, so that might a bit hard in the end. Still, they will set a lot of consoles because they will support Madden NFL, Pokemon Blue-grey-red-kaleidoscope colored and Final Fantasy.

In a perfect world, there would be a console suited to the needs of every particular customer, and I think we're going there. It doesn't so much a competition between which console will be the more fun to play to me, it sounds more like which console will attract what kind of people.

My predictions:

X360 will remain stable, maybe acquire a bigger part of the Japanese market since Ubisoft is relasing and x350 only naruto game.

Everybody will buy a Wii, and it'll be real cool for like 2-3 weesk, but after that people will be missing the regular controller. The main problem for the Wii is that, whereas games for PS2 were portable to Wii because they had similar power, game for PS3 or X360 will have to be adapted for quite a longer time to be compatible with the lower-powered Wii.

PS3 will sell well at first, since they have so much corporate support, and I don't see them die anytime soon. People haven't seen its online service yet so that could be a MAJOR drawback, but I think they can adapt.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I don't think the Wii will be only popular for a few weeks since all the big name titles will come out sometime in 2007.

But after that, I don't know. Certainly, Nintendo will break profit, but that usually doesn't mean anything towards gamers and the games themselves.

There was a lot of positive hype for the Gamecube early on then sorta fizzled away. I think something similar could happen if Nintendo dawdles with their major titles after the huge SSBB game comes out. Then they might have maybe one or two major Zelda sequels to get gamers interested. But that's not going to keep them stuck to the console forever.

[KWarp]

But after that, I don't know. Certainly, Nintendo will break profit, but that usually doesn't mean anything towards gamers and the games themselves.
Well except for hardware prepherials and lately the games too. Take for example the 360. Certainly the massive losses on the hardware are made up by $40 memory cards, $50 wireless controllers, $60 games, and $100 wireless console hardware.

There was a lot of positive hype for the Gamecube early on then sorta fizzled away. I think something similar could happen if Nintendo dawdles with their major titles after the huge SSBB game comes out. Then they might have maybe one or two major Zelda sequels to get gamers interested. But that's not going to keep them stuck to the console forever.
Always possible. Game droughts are terrible things.

And one another note, one could argue that the real reason Nintendo lost so much steam is that they were pissing off their developers, and as soon as another viable option showed up a lot of the good ones(see: Square) jumped ship. So it isn't that great of an analogy.
Conceptually, that's where I think Sony's going. Everyone will buy a PS3 just like everyone bought a Nintendo 64. Whether the given console holds up will rely on consistent quality software.

[Kitsuta]

And one another note, one could argue that the real reason Nintendo lost so much steam is that they were pissing off their developers, and as soon as another viable option showed up a lot of the good ones(see: Square) jumped ship. So it isn't that great of an analogy.
Conceptually, that's where I think Sony's going. Everyone will buy a PS3 just like everyone bought a Nintendo 64. Whether the given console holds up will rely on consistent quality software.

I was under the impression that Sony was playing nice with their third party developers.

[Bigfoot]

I heard that Blu-Ray discs are a lot more fragile than regular DVD/CDs. What I mean is, if the Blu-Ray disc is scratched, then it will suffer more than a regular DVD/CD.

Confirm/Deny?

[linkspast]

]

I even see kids strutting $300+ iPods around and to put it in perspective, a PS3 is the equivalent of two newest-type iPods.

Kinda, sorta like how people can even be urged into buying old games with newer consoles nowadays.

First off Ipods are way to expensive.
and as far as the virtual consle, old games are still new to those who havent played them. I missed out on chrono cross, so I plan on getting it, but I dont think most people will buy every game that they loved... well... then again..... who knows.

[Nec5]

I heard that Blu-Ray discs are a lot more fragile than regular DVD/CDs. What I mean is, if the Blu-Ray disc is scratched, then it will suffer more than a regular DVD/CD.

Confirm/Deny?Don't worry. Billy Mays will have a fix for that two weeks after the release of the PS3. Here's how to order!!!

[Prodigal Moon]

Everybody will buy a Wii, and it'll be real cool for like 2-3 weesk, but after that people will be missing the regular controller. The main problem for the Wii is that, whereas games for PS2 were portable to Wii because they had similar power, game for PS3 or X360 will have to be adapted for quite a longer time to be compatible with the lower-powered Wii.
Wow, I didn't think of how the power difference would delay or even prohibit the Wii from getting ports or being a part of cross-platform games. Then again, I haven't bought any GC games that were available for PS2.

I'm concerned enough about whether the Wii's going to have enough original games to justify a purchase. I got a GC for $100 because it came with both Zelda's for N64 - it was worth it just because it saved me from buying the old system and those 2 games. Looking at what GC cames I've played though...it'd be really tough to justify spending much more for the console (or getting it without 2 sweet games that I hadn't played). I expect to play:

Super Smash Bros.: Brawl
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Dragon Quest Swords
Fire Emblem
Resident Evil

But how much are they going to have to offer beyond those? I'm not seeing that may must-play PS3 games, but there seem to be a lot more PS3 games on the way that may turn out to be worth playing. Being able to download old NES games was exciting, but I realized I still have those sitting in my closet and never play them. So...that wiimote better be damn cool.

[The Author]

How will the PS3 sell well if they cannot put more than 500 000 units on the shelves?


To sell consoles you have to make consoles, and a half million release will not work that well. Especially if people can still buy other consoles. The 360 managed simply because they were the first.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Again, I really wonder if the shortage of PS3s is deliberate. It was for the PSP, the very first PSX and PS2. They always were way short of the demand and it created a frenzy of buyers for years to come.

I think it's pretty obvious the 360 had the same gameplan as well. Besides simply releasing the thing for one full years before everyone and establishing a huge library.

[The Author]

It was a different game.

The PS2 faced a dying dreamcast and... well... nothing for about 18 months. The PSX was a whole new system, shortages are expected, same thing happens with every first entry in the console business. Or in any business, you can never guess popularity accuratly.

This time, the shortage is a lot less positive. It means that any parent unable to buy the PS3 for christmas will settle on a 360. It means that 3rd parties will be annoyed that it reduces their potencial market by that much.

And it may as well strike a killing blow to blue-ray technology. By now we should be showered in blue ray ads, and the PS3 should come as the first cheap blue ray player. Instead, HD seems to be a lot further ahead.

It's Betamax all over again.

[KakTheInfected]

Again, I really wonder if the shortage of PS3s is deliberate. It was for the PSP, the very first PSX and PS2. They always were way short of the demand and it created a frenzy of buyers for years to come.

I think it's pretty obvious the 360 had the same gameplan as well. Besides simply releasing the thing for one full years before everyone and establishing a huge library.

The PSP launch has "created a frenzy of buyers"?

Anyway...I don't see (if this is indeed intentional) how Sony can benefit at all. Aside from some exclusives (and I do mean some since a lot of series are multiplatform now), the 360 and PS3 are basically clones of each other.

To launch a year late with only 500,000 units, especially when you're relying on the system to push your own DVD format, would be very stupid if it was on purpose.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Yeah, the PSP didn't exactly have a buying frenzy afterwards. Just like a steady stream of buyers more than anything. Even if it was far, far behind the DS.

Another thing with the PS3 gaining any sort of momentum behind its shortage, it needs to have the big games come out by 2007, or it'll be one full year before they get enough customers intersted. But by then, Halo 3 and SSBB would be out..

[The Author]

And SMG, and MP3...

It won't be easy for the PS3 unless they can bump up production.

[Effef]

So what big games does the PS3 have anyway?

GT5
FF 13





.....?

[KakTheInfected]

MGS4.

[Prodigal Moon]

And SMG, and MP3...

It won't be easy for the PS3 unless they can bump up production.
Not that they'll necessarily be able to meet it, but you know they're aiming for 2 million by the end of the year and 6 million by March 07. Gamespot article (http://www.gamespot.com/events/ps3launch/story.html?sid=6160269&tag=latestnews;title;4)

If they keep on that track, they'd be at like 10-15 million worldwide by the end of 07.

[Woffester]

I'm concerned enough about whether the Wii's going to have enough original games to justify a purchase.

And I suppose the Xbox 360 had original titles that justified a purchase? Come now, if ANYONE is going to have original titles to warrant a purchase it's going to be the Wii this generation.

Again, I really wonder if the shortage of PS3s is deliberate.

If it was deliberate then they would have released a shortage of consoles this past spring. They wouldn't have cited a manufacturing problem either (the blue diodes).

Everybody will buy a Wii, and it'll be real cool for like 2-3 weesk, but after that people will be missing the regular controller.

People will be missing the regular controller huh? All those mom's and dad's and casual gamers who just love the classic controller?

[Kitsuta]

I'm concerned enough about whether the Wii's going to have enough original games to justify a purchase.

And I suppose the Xbox 360 had original titles that justified a purchase? Come now, if ANYONE is going to have original titles to warrant a purchase it's going to be the Wii this generation.

Everybody will buy a Wii, and it'll be real cool for like 2-3 weesk, but after that people will be missing the regular controller.

People will be missing the regular controller huh? All those mom's and dad's and casual gamers who just love the classic controller?

Take it to the Wii thread. We need more discussion there anyway. :P

Moon: You're a little off. If they made 4 million units from Jan 07 to Mar 07 and kept that rate constant, they'd have a grand total of about 18 mill units by the end of the year. That's a lot of units, actually.

[Prodigal Moon]

I'm concerned enough about whether the Wii's going to have enough original games to justify a purchase.

And I suppose the Xbox 360 had original titles that justified a purchase? Come now, if ANYONE is going to have original titles to warrant a purchase it's going to be the Wii this generation.
Sorry I meant to say "exclusive" rather than original. I'm sure the Wii will show the most originality, but I have to question whether there will be enough must-haves for it. Besides Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Tales of Phantasia, and SSBM, the GC didn't have a very impressive lineup of exclusives and I'm concerned the Wii could turn out the same way. You won't see me buying an Xbox or 360 for the same reason: it's a system for ports. At least Xbox was the most powerful system for them.

[Airwalker]

And SMG, and MP3...

It won't be easy for the PS3 unless they can bump up production.
Not that they'll necessarily be able to meet it, but you know they're aiming for 2 million by the end of the year and 6 million by March 07. Gamespot article (http://www.gamespot.com/events/ps3launch/story.html?sid=6160269&tag=latestnews;title;4)

If they keep on that track, they'd be at like 10-15 million worldwide by the end of 07.

But even the 2 million units by end-year was said to be a purely optmistic number.

[The Author]

and the Wii releases with 4 millions and aims for 7 if I am not mistaken.

[linkspast]

.

This time, the shortage is a lot less positive. It means that any parent unable to buy the PS3 for christmas will settle on a 360.

I cant belive that some parents will spend that much money for xmas Its amazing....

[Evilhead]

I don't think Sony will be sitting on thier hands while the Wii is selling hotcakes. They will be producing the PS3 as fast as they can. The shortage hype will help boost interest, then when the second batch of consoles are released you can be sure those will be snapped up as well. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that I won't be able to get a Japanese PS3 at launch, but I will definitely get one as soon as I can.

[Bigfoot]

Not counting OCR, I have yet to meet someone who actually WANTS a PS3 to keep and not sell it on eBay. :\

Everyone at work that wants one just wants to sell it.

[Atomicfog]

Not counting OCR, I have yet to meet someone who actually WANTS a PS3 to keep and not sell it on eBay. :\

Everyone at work that wants one just wants to sell it.

Well, it is hard to resist making so much money by doing so little. I want a PS3 extremely bad, but if I did get my hands on one, even I might sell it for the insane prices that they are going for on Ebay. I just have to wait for the second shipment to arrive. I do think it will be more than worth it's original $600 price tag when I do get it though.

[The Damned]

Fuck you, Sony. You destroyed a small company (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/sony-bleeds-lik-sang-clean-to-death-209729.php) because you're concerned about "safety"? Bullshit, you did it to kill imports in Europe. Why? I can't figure that out. The systems were already bought by Lik-Sang, so Sony made their money off of them.

Alright, Sony fans. Let's see you defend this one.

[Bahamut]

Oh wow that's dirtbag. Guess I'll hold off on that PS3 until the end of the generation then.

[Razumen]

Fuck you, Sony. You destroyed a small company (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/sony-bleeds-lik-sang-clean-to-death-209729.php) because you're concerned about "safety"? Bullshit, you did it to kill imports in Europe. Why? I can't figure that out. The systems were already bought by Lik-Sang, so Sony made their money off of them.

Alright, Sony fans. Let's see you defend this one.

. . . Damn, Lik-sang was one of my favorite places to get imports from, those frigging bastards.

[linkspast]

So wait. Just because liksang is selling psp`s in Europe? how is that any diffrent than me buying a few and selling them to people in europe from ebay?

Man could sony get any more bad PR? whats next... "Sony Eats the children of single mothers"

[The Author]

Blue-Ray LEDs are made with the souls of aborted fetuses.

[Razumen]

Blue-Ray LEDs are made with the souls of aborted fetuses.

And the Cell processors are formed from the tears of a thousand weeping rape victims. Each.

[The Damned]

I have to see Evilhead's comment on this. I really do.

[The Author]

Blue-Ray LEDs are made with the souls of aborted fetuses.

And the Cell processors are formed from the tears of a thousand weeping rape victims. Each.

And the vibration in the controllers? They were made by vibrating fairies. WHICH ARE NOW EXTINCT.

[Atomicfog]

Blue-Ray LEDs are made with the souls of aborted fetuses.

And the Cell processors are formed from the tears of a thousand weeping rape victims. Each.

And the vibration in the controllers? They were made by vibrating fairies. WHICH ARE NOW EXTINCT.

Wow, awesome.

[Kitsuta]

Blue-Ray LEDs are made with the souls of aborted fetuses.

And the Cell processors are formed from the tears of a thousand weeping rape victims. Each.

And the vibration in the controllers? They were made by vibrating fairies. WHICH ARE NOW EXTINCT.

Wow, awesome.

Well, that's why they had to make up all the BS about waiting for an appeal.

[Mouser X]

I find this (http://www.infendo.com/2006/10/sony-broke-lik-sang-your-wii-preorder.html) interesting, because it lists the names of high-ups in Sony's Europe division who imported PSPs from Lik-Sang. Overall, what was Sony thinking? How, in anyway, shape or form is this a good thing, for anyone? Sony has sealed it for me... Not that $600 was out of my range anyway. Mouser X out.

[Evilhead]

I have to see Evilhead's comment on this. I really do.

Since when have I become the representative of Sony?
I couldn't care less what the company does. Kill off small businesses? Do I give a shit? No. All I care about is the games. Everything else is just politics, and extremely stupid politics at that. If you are going to get up in arms about something, there are many more pressing matters in the world today. Video games are not that important.

[KakTheInfected]

I have to see Evilhead's comment on this. I really do.

Since when have I become the representative of Sony?

Nobody said you were a represenative. You just bawl everytime your precious company gets bad press. In other words, it's expected of you.

[Evilhead]

I have to see Evilhead's comment on this. I really do.

Since when have I become the representative of Sony?

Nobody said you were a represenative. You just bawl everytime your precious company gets bad press. In other words, it's expected of you.

Site one time when I did? Please.


Mostly I make comments in the Wii thread and troll you morons like no tomorrow. I seriously don't give a fuck about Sony aside from the fact that I like Playstation games.

[Atomicfog]

I have to see Evilhead's comment on this. I really do.

Since when have I become the representative of Sony?
I couldn't care less what the company does. Kill off small businesses? Do I give a shit? No. All I care about is the games. Everything else is just politics, and extremely stupid politics at that. If you are going to get up in arms about something, there are many more pressing matters in the world today. Video games are not that important.

Damn right. QFE.

[KakTheInfected]

I have to see Evilhead's comment on this. I really do.

Since when have I become the representative of Sony?

Nobody said you were a represenative. You just bawl everytime your precious company gets bad press. In other words, it's expected of you.

Site one time when I did? Please.


Mostly I make comments in the Wii thread and troll you morons like no tomorrow. I seriously don't give a fuck about Sony aside from the fact that I like Playstation games.

I don't deny you think you're trolling, but you're not. You're trying to make something of yourself on a message board by making over-the-top idiotic statements and in the end, nobody cares. No one. Have fun yelling at your monitor while Sony gets more bad press, crybaby.

[Kitsuta]

I have to see Evilhead's comment on this. I really do.

Since when have I become the representative of Sony?
I couldn't care less what the company does. Kill off small businesses? Do I give a shit? No. All I care about is the games. Everything else is just politics, and extremely stupid politics at that. If you are going to get up in arms about something, there are many more pressing matters in the world today. Video games are not that important.

Damn right. QFE.

I'd have some sort of awesome reply but I have no idea what the economic situation is in Hong Kong, nor how many people Lik-Sang employed.

It just occurred to me that shutting down a small company has the negative effect of discouraging other small companies. Also, that whole thing with the losing jobs and stuff.

[kupernikus]

I have to see Evilhead's comment on this. I really do.

Since when have I become the representative of Sony?
I couldn't care less what the company does. Kill off small businesses? Do I give a shit? No. All I care about is the games. Everything else is just politics, and extremely stupid politics at that. If you are going to get up in arms about something, there are many more pressing matters in the world today. Video games are not that important.

Damn right. QFE.

I'd have some sort of awesome reply but I have no idea what the economic situation is in Hong Kong, nor how many people Lik-Sang employed.

It just occurred to me that shutting down a small company has the negative effect of discouraging other small companies. Also, that whole thing with the losing jobs and stuff.
Hong Kong's economy is in a mild slump, but not horrible, lik-sang wasnt huge, nor it have a ton of employees, justsad that sony would do that. then again they probly figure the press would just be bad in Hong Kong, where their products are very unpopular due to the fact they are so expensive.

[KWarp]

Don't be so hard on Evilhead now. I was in the same position defending Nintendo for the last 5+ years. Still, I find it interesting how the tables have turned. The constant bad press from Sony has alienated a massive majority of people on the boards.

Next month will be interesting.

[I-n-j-i-n]

The thing with polls and expectations are sorta like how political polls and election day is. Just because the expectations are there doesn't mean it is followed through exactly the same. It doesn't help with a lot of Internet fanbuzz since that doesn't necessarily translate into real-world numbers (Snakes on a Plane anyone?).

And PS3 seems to interest the silent majority of gamers which is typically the casual/hardcore types who just want the games and don't typically care about the gaming politics whatsoever.

[Evilhead]

I have to see Evilhead's comment on this. I really do.

Since when have I become the representative of Sony?

Nobody said you were a represenative. You just bawl everytime your precious company gets bad press. In other words, it's expected of you.

Site one time when I did? Please.


Mostly I make comments in the Wii thread and troll you morons like no tomorrow. I seriously don't give a fuck about Sony aside from the fact that I like Playstation games.

I don't deny you think you're trolling, but you're not. You're trying to make something of yourself on a message board by making over-the-top idiotic statements and in the end, nobody cares. No one. Have fun yelling at your monitor while Sony gets more bad press, crybaby.

Who's yelling? Who's crying? Who's making idiotic statements? I said I thought it was a bad move on Sony's part but in the end I couldn't give two shits about Lik-Sang. They played in a legal grey area and got what they asked for. Too bad for them.

Oh that's right, you consider saying, "I don't think the Wii is the greatest thing since oxygen" is me crying and screaming and being an idiot.

[Zutnunzor]

Since alot of Nintendo Zealots patrol around here, I got a question..

Is the Wii gonna be compatible with any of the nintendo's handhelds or upcoming ones? I was thinking of buying a wii to go with my PS3, but I havn't heard much on Nintendo's upcoming handheld market besides these miniature gameboy's and ds's.

[The Damned]

Oh that's right, you consider saying, "I don't think the Wii is the greatest thing since oxygen" is me crying and screaming and being an idiot.But you are an idiot. Your very acceptance of the way Sony acts proves it. If any other company acted this way to you, would you still support them, fan-wise and money-wise? If not, than you're a hypocrite; if so, than you're a goddamn sheep of a human being for toadying along with them.

Hop-hop, little frog.

Is the Wii gonna be compatible with any of the nintendo's handhelds or upcoming ones? I was thinking of buying a wii to go with my PS3, but I havn't heard much on Nintendo's upcoming handheld market besides these miniature gameboy's and ds's.
Yes. The DS is used as another controller. They showed the ne Pokemon Battle Revolution game a while ago, and it used the DS playing the new DS pokemon games, just like the N64 and GC versions.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I don't see what's the big difference between someone who talks positively about Wii to a fault and someone doing the same with other consoles. And this is a PS3 thread no less. What do you expect? This is not about who is idiotic or not, or whether who's hypocritical or not.

And who didn't see Sony acting up whenever the issue of copyright infringement and other media format battles are concerned? This is nothing new.

[Bahamut]

This isn't a Nintendo thread.

And there is absolutely no excuse for Sony's actions. But this is a PS3 thread, not a Lik-Sang thread.

[Kitsuta]

Yeah, I confused this thread for the Lik-Sang thread. Please move your complaints there.

And stop flaming Evilhead, for chrissake! It makes you guys and other Nintendo fans look bad. He can ignore the politics if he wants. We all pick and choose the things we care and don't care about. It's not like he's saying "Oh, Sony eats babies, but I'm gonna buy their products anyways!"

To put it in perspective: Lots of chicken farms in America breed chickens(or was it turkeys?) that have breasts so large they are unhealthy. They are often kept in tiny cages(or so I hear) and pumped full of growth hormones.

Now, assuming this were all true, would you swear off chicken? Or say that these people were the sole supplier of McDonalds, would you not eat from there ever again? Most likely, you wouldn't. You just don't care about the poor chickens with gigantic breasts.

Obviously this is a generalization, but the point is that we can't care about everything at once, or we would never get anything done - so we allow a lot of things that other people would consider unthinkable(PETA people, for instance.. although that's a bad example).

So, stop flaming Evilhead. Please.

As for myself, this Lik-Sang thing is only a small part of a growing avalanche of stuff I don't like about Sony; however, most of that stuff is them screwing over consumers.

[Zutnunzor]

Yeah, I confused this thread for the Lik-Sang thread. Please move your complaints there.

And stop flaming Evilhead, for chrissake! It makes you guys and other Nintendo fans look bad. He can ignore the politics if he wants. We all pick and choose the things we care and don't care about. It's not like he's saying "Oh, Sony eats babies, but I'm gonna buy their products anyways!"

To put it in perspective: Lots of chicken farms in America breed chickens(or was it turkeys?) that have breasts so large they are unhealthy. They are often kept in tiny cages(or so I hear) and pumped full of growth hormones.

Now, assuming this were all true, would you swear off chicken? Or say that these people were the sole supplier of McDonalds, would you not eat from there ever again? Most likely, you wouldn't. You just don't care about the poor chickens with gigantic breasts.

Obviously this is a generalization, but the point is that we can't care about everything at once, or we would never get anything done - so we allow a lot of things that other people would consider unthinkable(PETA people, for instance.. although that's a bad example).

So, stop flaming Evilhead. Please.

As for myself, this Lik-Sang thing is only a small part of a growing avalanche of stuff I don't like about Sony; however, most of that stuff is them screwing over consumers.

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Spread the love.

[Evilhead]

Oh that's right, you consider saying, "I don't think the Wii is the greatest thing since oxygen" is me crying and screaming and being an idiot.But you are an idiot. Your very acceptance of the way Sony acts proves it. If any other company acted this way to you, would you still support them, fan-wise and money-wise? If not, than you're a hypocrite; if so, than you're a goddamn sheep of a human being for toadying along with them.

Acted what way? Protecting their copyrights? As it was mentioned before, Nintendo and Microsoft also went after Lik-Sang. Won without having to actually fight, but would they have won in court? Probably. Lik-Sang was in the wrong, and if Sony stepping up to bat and crushing them pisses you off then that's your own problem.

I boycott companies for human rights violations. Not for protecting it's copyrights.

[watkinzez]

Sony's move was pretty bitchy. Doesn't mean I'm not going to enjoy their games in the future.
All this boycotting Sony and 'never buying their stuff again' doesn't hurt them. It only hurts the person doing it.

[Evilhead]

http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=6408

A list of some features/comments about some hands on time with the PS3.

Notable: Games will be $59.99 (at least for first party titles), hopefully laying to rest rumors of $100 games.

[RJG]

Just out of curiosity, is anyone keeping score of who is buying a PS3 at launch, planning to buy one at shortly and who doesn't intend to buy one?

I'm interested in seeing numbers.

[watkinzez]

I know I'll be getting one down the road purely for Fumito Ueda's stuff. Don't think there's any doubt the PS3 will have a huge library, and I want to be able to play those titles. Waiting for them to accumulate first.

[Bahamut]

Lik-Sang was in the wrong

No, I addressed this in the pertinent thread though. Sony did essentially one of the lowest blows possible in the business world - corporate blackmail. The previous efforts by Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony are of a different issue, and even then it is still legitimate (selling modchips). But again, this should be in the proper thread, not here.

All this boycotting Sony and 'never buying their stuff again' doesn't hurt them. It only hurts the person doing it.

Sony literally has the whole company on the line with the PS3 - boycotting them can have a tremendous effect on their future.

[KWarp]

You guys are making too big of a deal over this. Sony's actions are just another small blow of bad publicity (although it can be felt more significantly on these boards) that the company doesn't need. There's nothing more to it. No games are delayed, and console numbers aren't shrinking. Can we move on please?

[The Damned]

No. This thread will hit 50 pages by the end of the week.

[Kitsuta]

You guys are making too big of a deal over this. Sony's actions are just another small blow of bad publicity (although it can be felt more significantly on these boards) that the company doesn't need. There's nothing more to it. No games are delayed, and console numbers aren't shrinking. Can we move on please?

Seconded.

[The Damned]

You guys are making too big of a deal over this. Sony's actions are just another small blow of bad publicity (although it can be felt more significantly on these boards) that the company doesn't need. There's nothing more to it. No games are delayed, and console numbers aren't shrinking. Can we move on please?

Seconded.
Traitors to the cause, both of you! Off with their heads!

Come on, we haven't had this much discussion about the PS3 or Sony in a long time. Worst case, this whole thread falls back to the second page in a week and we forget about it. And then when Sony does yet another stupid thing (and they will, just look back at the last six months) we can use the whole Lik-Sang thing as ammo in the next fight. Which wil, once again, generate some actual discussion on the thing. After all, we have our second Wii thread on its 180th page, so why not do the same for the PS3?

[Bigfoot]

PS3 IS HUEG!!!


Looks nice n shiny. Wonder much is weighs though?

http://itzbigfootyo.googlepages.com/playstation-3-unwrapped-200.jpg

http://itzbigfootyo.googlepages.com/playstation-3-440.jpg

[JoeFu]

omfg ps3 is heug. we better watch out. That thing is monstrous.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Those cables look Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge.

I wonder if they're high def cables.

[Kitsuta]

PS3 IS HUEG!!!


Looks nice n shiny. Wonder much is weighs though?

Holy cow, is that thing the width of two PS2 controllers?

And that article that Evilhead linked to said it was pretty light for its size.

Also-also, I am saddened by the controller compared to the console itself. It's such a fancy looking console, but the controller looks like a boring old Dual Shock. Frowny face.

[Bigfoot]

Now that I think about it.. it just looks like a 1st gen PS2 with a roof added on.

[The Author]

I have to say I rather liked the batarang conrtoller. This just shows that Sony, being afraid of trying 2 new things, only went back to their old design out of "comfort."

[KakTheInfected]

I wouldn't be surprised if they release a newer controller with more functionality (er...sp) in a few years, especially if the PS3 survives it's boasted 10 year life span. The Dual Shock is just too old at this point, even Microsoft has made better.

[Bigfoot]

lol burned stuff
http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/3585/playstation3unwrapped20os6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Yes, this is what the PS3 box will look like, j/k ;p
http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/5301/playstation3unwrapped20fx6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/9288/playstation3unwrapped20fo5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Sag Ee Mana]

Err...Have you seen their ad already ?

http://www.actiontrip.com/rei/comments_news.phtml?id=102506_4

[Bigfoot]

Err...Have you seen their ad already ?

http://www.actiontrip.com/rei/comments_news.phtml?id=102506_4


What the... ok? lol

[CE]

Err...Have you seen their ad already ?

http://www.actiontrip.com/rei/comments_news.phtml?id=102506_4


What the... ok? lol

Haha what the heck? Well, at least the other one I saw, with the kids going to the roofs of their houses and with the phrase "the wait is over" is nice. Really appeals to those people who bought the PS2 for casuality and got bored of it and are currently waiting for the PS3... Still, those people are the same that don't keep up with gaming news, so the price tag might be a harder hit then they expected... :S

[PriZm]

What kind of ad lasts 2:40 ?

[The Damned]

Overpriced and overdone ones. Meanwhile, I look forward to the ones that show people actually playing a game, and not spouting meaningless techno-bullshit.

[megadave]

Hi I'm Catherine Zeta Jones, and I'm hear to tell you that the PS3 is the next big thing. Old pictures are just a blur. The PS3's graphics look so real that reality looks fake compared to it. If you buy a PS3, you're grandma, a bunch of furniture, and other stuff will explode. Meanwhile, you will get exported to the wilds of Africa, and you can watch zebras.

[The Author]

Exploding household items... This is probably not the best idea for Sony...

[CE]

Overpriced and overdone ones. Meanwhile, I look forward to the ones that show people actually playing a game, and not spouting meaningless techno-bullshit.

Nice graphics, rap, and people playing games! Perfect! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqnSAvtIvtE)

[The Author]

Overpriced and overdone ones. Meanwhile, I look forward to the ones that show people actually playing a game, and not spouting meaningless techno-bullshit.

Nice graphics, rap, and people playing games! Perfect! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqnSAvtIvtE)

And pretty good for that time.

[The Damned]

I like this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEIeUxaa1h4&NR). It's a good idea, it had a funny ending, it was well-done all around.

Meanwhle, Sony puts out some conceptual design crapfest that goes on about storage and animals chewing on grass.

[CE]

Overpriced and overdone ones. Meanwhile, I look forward to the ones that show people actually playing a game, and not spouting meaningless techno-bullshit.

Nice graphics, rap, and people playing games! Perfect! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqnSAvtIvtE)

And pretty good for that time.

Yeah! Djiggy-djiggy! Go Nintendo! Djiggy-djiggy!

[linkspast]

That thing is huge

Its to keep the kiosk from looking massive.

Edit: That was a european ad, so of course it is going to be weird.

[watkinzez]

All this boycotting Sony and 'never buying their stuff again' doesn't hurt them. It only hurts the person doing it.

Sony literally has the whole company on the line with the PS3 - boycotting them can have a tremendous effect on their future.

Only if, say, several million people call to arms and refuse to purchase. I was trying to point out the minority who decided against Sony for this single incident.

[Evilhead]

All this boycotting Sony and 'never buying their stuff again' doesn't hurt them. It only hurts the person doing it.

Sony literally has the whole company on the line with the PS3 - boycotting them can have a tremendous effect on their future.

Only if, say, several million people call to arms and refuse to purchase. I was trying to point out the minority who decided against Sony for this single incident.

I still can't figure out why people are 'boycotting' Sony in the first place. Too expensive? That's not boycotting, that's called not being able to afford it or not thinking it's worth the money. Which is fine. What other reasons are there? Everything else seems to be unrelated to the actual PS3 unit itself. Did you guys love Lik-Sang THAT much?

[Bahamut]

For those who want to oogle at the PS3, here's some pics of the contents of the package: http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/741/741368/imgs_1.html

That looks as shiny as the DS Lite.

[PriZm]

All this boycotting Sony and 'never buying their stuff again' doesn't hurt them. It only hurts the person doing it.

Sony literally has the whole company on the line with the PS3 - boycotting them can have a tremendous effect on their future.

Only if, say, several million people call to arms and refuse to purchase. I was trying to point out the minority who decided against Sony for this single incident.

I still can't figure out why people are 'boycotting' Sony in the first place. Too expensive? That's not boycotting, that's called not being able to afford it or not thinking it's worth the money. Which is fine. What other reasons are there? Everything else seems to be unrelated to the actual PS3 unit itself. Did you guys love Lik-Sang THAT much?

I still can't figure why people seem to have a particular attachment to a corporation. I just happen to like games that are on the playstation...

So what if whatever company has bad management/marketing/shit ? In the end, all that matters is the games.

[Evilhead]

All this boycotting Sony and 'never buying their stuff again' doesn't hurt them. It only hurts the person doing it.

Sony literally has the whole company on the line with the PS3 - boycotting them can have a tremendous effect on their future.

Only if, say, several million people call to arms and refuse to purchase. I was trying to point out the minority who decided against Sony for this single incident.

I still can't figure out why people are 'boycotting' Sony in the first place. Too expensive? That's not boycotting, that's called not being able to afford it or not thinking it's worth the money. Which is fine. What other reasons are there? Everything else seems to be unrelated to the actual PS3 unit itself. Did you guys love Lik-Sang THAT much?

I still can't figure why people seem to have a particular attachment to a corporation. I just happen to like games that are on the playstation...

So what if whatever company has bad management/marketing/shit ? In the end, all that matters is the games.

Exactly. It's all about the games. Anything to do with politics is completely retarded. Unfortunately, most people here do not understand this.

[Monsty]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principles

However, with that said, I am sure I will not be boycotting anything as Sony has a sweet television I wish to purchase. Not to mention I will probably end up with a PS3 a couple of years down the road.

Just sayin', I suppose.

[Bahamut]

So what if whatever company has bad management/marketing/shit ? In the end, all that matters is the games.

I sure hope you don't go into business.

[PriZm]

So what if whatever company has bad management/marketing/shit ? In the end, all that matters is the games.

I sure hope you don't go into business.

I was talking from a consumer's perspective. I don't care who innovates more than whom (and who copies whom), or who has bigger balls than whom, or who makes the best ads, or who cares the most about children, I just want to play good games.

I'm well aware that marketing has a huge impact on sales, I'm just saying that for us, who are relatively well informed about the industry, it shouldn't.

I don't really care if people from Sony say : "We want this system to be expensive and we want to fuck our customers up the ass" whereas people from Nintendo say : "We want a revolution in the gaming world and we care about the gamers, especially the hard core, since we work hard to make the best games for them so that they can have a thoroughly enjoyable experience".

A company exists to make profits, and it's all just a bunch of guys working on projects. There are just different ways to pass it on the public. They don't wanna be friends with us, they want us to buy their games.

In the end, all that matters to us are the game themselves, not what the company that makes the console looks like.

[The Author]

So I'm guessing you don,t mind if a company pays pennies to kids in the third world as long as you save a few bucks at the end...

[Evilhead]

So what if whatever company has bad management/marketing/shit ? In the end, all that matters is the games.

I sure hope you don't go into business.

I was talking from a consumer's perspective. I don't care who innovates more than whom (and who copies whom), or who has bigger balls than whom, or who makes the best ads, or who cares the most about children, I just want to play good games.

I'm well aware that marketing has a huge impact on sales, I'm just saying that for us, who are relatively well informed about the industry, it shouldn't.

I don't really care if people from Sony say : "We want this system to be expensive and we want to fuck our customers up the ass" whereas people from Nintendo say : "We want a revolution in the gaming world and we care about the gamers, especially the hard core, since we work hard to make the best games for them so that they can have a thoroughly enjoyable experience".

A company exists to make profits, and it's all just a bunch of guys working on projects. There are just different ways to pass it on the public. They don't wanna be friends with us, they want us to buy their games.

In the end, all that matters to us are the game themselves, not what the company that makes the console looks like.

Agreed 100%. I'm so sick of people politiziing gaming. No company, so far, has played any dirtier than the other, and if they did, who cares? That how a business works. They are all out for profit in the end. All I care about is how the games are. If Sony DID start using slave labor or whatever, I MIGHT start to reconsider my purchase, but that's not the case. They just have a hardline business strategy that seems to be working.

[linkspast]

So who is camping out to get one?

[Evilhead]

I don't think I'll even try... Getting new game systems is just too hard in Japan, unless it's an Xbox.

[Woffester]

Agreed 100%. I'm so sick of people politiziing gaming. No company, so far, has played any dirtier than the other, and if they did, who cares? That how a business works. They are all out for profit in the end. All I care about is how the games are. If Sony DID start using slave labor or whatever, I MIGHT start to reconsider my purchase, but that's not the case. They just have a hardline business strategy that seems to be working.

Not really.

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/10/26/ap3121430.html

[Unstable Hamster]

Agreed 100%. I'm so sick of people politiziing gaming. No company, so far, has played any dirtier than the other, and if they did, who cares? That how a business works. They are all out for profit in the end. All I care about is how the games are. If Sony DID start using slave labor or whatever, I MIGHT start to reconsider my purchase, but that's not the case. They just have a hardline business strategy that seems to be working.

Not really.

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/10/26/ap3121430.html

Amazing, I have never seen something like this, sony loosing 94%? Truly a dark day for them.

[PriZm]

So I'm guessing you don,t mind if a company pays pennies to kids in the third world as long as you save a few bucks at the end...

No you're wrong.

This is completely another issue, unrelated to the message I was trying to convey; i.e. using slave labor is hardly a marketing strategy.

Also, I'm pretty sure Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft didn't get so big without getting their hands dirty.

[Kitsuta]

Also, I'm pretty sure Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft didn't get so big without getting their hands dirty.

Oh I love that statement there.

Because after all, you can't make money honestly.

But, that's off topic.

As for the revenues thing.. uh..

Duh?

They were spending a bucketload producing the PS3 and in that quarter they saw zero revenue. Of course their profits are gonna take a big hit. It's not really relevant to the discussion.

[Evilhead]

Yeah, replacing millions of defective batteries couldn't help either.

[Bahamut]

So what if whatever company has bad management/marketing/shit ? In the end, all that matters is the games.

I sure hope you don't go into business.

I was talking from a consumer's perspective. I don't care who innovates more than whom (and who copies whom), or who has bigger balls than whom, or who makes the best ads, or who cares the most about children, I just want to play good games.

I'm well aware that marketing has a huge impact on sales, I'm just saying that for us, who are relatively well informed about the industry, it shouldn't.

I don't really care if people from Sony say : "We want this system to be expensive and we want to fuck our customers up the ass" whereas people from Nintendo say : "We want a revolution in the gaming world and we care about the gamers, especially the hard core, since we work hard to make the best games for them so that they can have a thoroughly enjoyable experience".

A company exists to make profits, and it's all just a bunch of guys working on projects. There are just different ways to pass it on the public. They don't wanna be friends with us, they want us to buy their games.

In the end, all that matters to us are the game themselves, not what the company that makes the console looks like.

Your claim about being for the consumers falls apart simply since Sony went after a company offering a useful service for consumers. Their action was anti-consumer, there is no arguing that point. An analogous situation is the RIAA going after P2P services for not conforming to their way - it is 100% anti-consumer. I have zero tolerance for any company/organization that goes out of their way to stifle consumer offerings with lies & abuse of the civil system. If Sony does not want problems with limited supplies of consoles going overseas, they should exercise other fine methods such as tighter control over the suppliers.

Anyone who is interested in entrepreneurship or interested in keeping companies as honest as possible should be able to understand this simple concept. Otherwise, you assent that they should be allowed to fuck you up the ass.

But again, we are going off-topic - any more responses should be delegated to the Lik-sang thread.

[Bobwillis]

Who the hell is coming up for the advertising for Sony nowadays? Their PS3 ads are worse than their ads for the PSP.

[Bigfoot]

Who the hell is coming up for the advertising for Sony nowadays? Their PS3 ads are worse than their ads for the PSP.

"PS3....hells yeah."

[Kitsuta]

Who the hell is coming up for the advertising for Sony nowadays? Their PS3 ads are worse than their ads for the PSP.

And that's saying something!

Stupid squirrels trying to be 'gangsta'. Or whatever they were doing. I never unmuted those commercials, so I suppose I shouldn't try to guess what they were saying.

[The Damned]

Oh, you didn't miss much. Those commerials were borderline racist. Racial stereotyping FTW!

[Bigfoot]

Oh, you didn't miss much. Those commerials were borderline racist. Racial stereotyping FTW!

Let's not forget that racist billboard advertising the white PSP. :lol:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6531/portablewhiteto1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[linkspast]

Thats the kind of ad that makes me want to avoid the PSP. Man she is creepy. She could go in to the creepy thread.

[Razumen]

http://www.gamebrink.com/playstation-3/391-Playstation_3-video-13.html

8O :!: 8O :!: 8O :!: 8O

[KWarp]

http://www.gamebrink.com/playstation-3/391-Playstation_3-video-13.html

8O :!: 8O :!: 8O :!: 8O
*falls off chair* :lol:

[The Damned]

Jesus fucking christ, that was stupid. I mean, that was the most meaningless, empty, pointless thing I have ever seen for a commercial. That one actually makes the other ones look decent.

I think that's the point: make the ohter ones look good by comparison. Lower peoples expectations enough and a good solid failure will seem like gold to them.

[KakTheInfected]

Oh, you didn't miss much. Those commerials were borderline racist. Racial stereotyping FTW!

Let's not forget that racist billboard advertising the white PSP. :lol:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6531/portablewhiteto1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is that real?

[Bahamut]

Oh, you didn't miss much. Those commerials were borderline racist. Racial stereotyping FTW!

Let's not forget that racist billboard advertising the white PSP. :lol:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6531/portablewhiteto1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is that real?

Yep and sure enough, a lot of people in the U. S. complained about them.

[KakTheInfected]

Of course they did, everyone is a pussy in this country. I give Sony credit for using that and not being scared.

[The Damned]

Oh, you didn't miss much. Those commerials were borderline racist. Racial stereotyping FTW!

Let's not forget that racist billboard advertising the white PSP. :lol:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6531/portablewhiteto1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is that real?

Yep and sure enough, a lot of people in the U. S. complained about them.
Which is odd, because the ads were run in the Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Portable#Ad_campaign), not the US.
I give Sony credit for using that and not being scared.So, racial-inappropiate content is fine as long as it's ballsy? Gotcha.

[KakTheInfected]

It's not inappropriate whatsoever, unless you're irritatingly sensitive.

The woman is white. The man is black. They represent the PSP colors, and white is newer so they have to make it look better.

If she was whipping him or said something like "I could have had you shot", then I'd agree. Otherwise, drop the "ZOMGRACIST" crap.

[Kitsuta]

It's not inappropriate whatsoever, unless you're irritatingly sensitive.

The woman is white. The man is black. They represent the PSP colors, and white is newer so they have to make it look better.

If she was whipping him or said something like "I could have had you shot", then I'd agree. Otherwise, drop the "ZOMGRACIST" crap.

I think there was another one where she was fighting a black woman or something.

[KakTheInfected]

It's not inappropriate whatsoever, unless you're irritatingly sensitive.

The woman is white. The man is black. They represent the PSP colors, and white is newer so they have to make it look better.

If she was whipping him or said something like "I could have had you shot", then I'd agree. Otherwise, drop the "ZOMGRACIST" crap.

I think there was another one where she was fighting a black woman or something.

And? What, that's supposed to represent some non-existant battle between blacks and whites? No, it's an advertisement for a PSP color. It doesn't mean shit except "Hey, we have a new color! Make us some money and buy it!"

[CE]

http://www.gamebrink.com/playstation-3/391-Playstation_3-video-13.html

8O :!: 8O :!: 8O :!: 8O

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?

Come on! That was the most drugged up playstation brand ad I've ever seen. And I've seen a whole fucking lot of them. Christ.

[Kitsuta]

It's not inappropriate whatsoever, unless you're irritatingly sensitive.

The woman is white. The man is black. They represent the PSP colors, and white is newer so they have to make it look better.

If she was whipping him or said something like "I could have had you shot", then I'd agree. Otherwise, drop the "ZOMGRACIST" crap.

I think there was another one where she was fighting a black woman or something.

And? What, that's supposed to represent some non-existant battle between blacks and whites? No, it's an advertisement for a PSP color. It doesn't mean shit except "Hey, we have a new color! Make us some money and buy it!"

Lol. Good job reading WAY too much into my post.

I know it was ambiguous, but sheesh.

[Razumen]

So, I'm pretty peeved that the PS3 won't upscale 480i, PS1 or PS2 games to 480p. I'm sure Sony could've used their oh so powerful Cell processor to manage a little upscaling...

:x

[Viol8tor]

http://www.gamebrink.com/playstation-3/391-Playstation_3-video-13.html

8O :!: 8O :!: 8O :!: 8O

Wow.......

Points on the freaky factor, but besides that.......it's a pointless add.


"Graphics so sharp that it will make your eyes bleed!!""
"I want one, but i cant afford it....Whaaa"

It's not inappropriate whatsoever, unless you're irritatingly sensitive.

The woman is white. The man is black. They represent the PSP colors, and white is newer so they have to make it look better.

If she was whipping him or said something like "I could have had you shot", then I'd agree. Otherwise, drop the "ZOMGRACIST" crap.

Agreed, but you know that most people are gona use that racist card crap. Probably not the smartest idea for a add, but still. I dont find nothing wrong with it, but it all depends on how you see it.

[The Damned]

I think it was more likely that SOny used the racialy charged ads, knowing that people would demand they be pulled. Extra publicity. Sort of under-handed. I guess there's no ethics in advertising, either.

[Bigfoot]

http://www.gamebrink.com/playstation-3/391-Playstation_3-video-13.html

8O :!: 8O :!: 8O :!: 8O

I somehow skipped over this.


What the fuck? Seriously, they have the worst ads. What exactly does this have to do with playing b3yond?

[Evilhead]

Seriously, what use are ethics to a big company? Absolutely nothing.

So, I'm pretty peeved that the PS3 won't upscale 480i, PS1 or PS2 games to 480p. I'm sure Sony could've used their oh so powerful Cell processor to manage a little upscaling...

:x

It might have to do with the fact that there is a seperate PS2 (and PS1) inside the machine rather than using emulation like the 360.

[I-n-j-i-n]

The upscaling thing might not be good since it could emphasize pixelation and other graphical problems. Happens with a lot of games that game developers try to upscale or put anti-aliasing and actually make the game look worse than they used to.

[Atomicfog]

Seriously, what use are ethics to a big company? Absolutely nothing.

Well, ethics towards their customers is extremely important; but I have never had any problems with Sony.

[Bahamut]

The upscaling thing might not be good since it could emphasize pixelation and other graphical problems. Happens with a lot of games that game developers try to upscale or put anti-aliasing and actually make the game look worse than they used to.

Yeah upscaling can get very ugly. Playing old PS1 games on newer TVs also get just as ugly - I remember playing Breath of Fire IV in the summer on my HDTV at home and wow did it look horrible.

[Razumen]

The upscaling thing might not be good since it could emphasize pixelation and other graphical problems. Happens with a lot of games that game developers try to upscale or put anti-aliasing and actually make the game look worse than they used to.

Yeah upscaling can get very ugly. Playing old PS1 games on newer TVs also get just as ugly - I remember playing Breath of Fire IV in the summer on my HDTV at home and wow did it look horrible.

That can be true, but it all depends on the device doing the upscaling. The XRGB2/3 for instance does a really good job all around, but it would cost me ~$300 to get, So I figured I'd wait for the PS3. :cry:

Now I don't claim to know what hardware makes a good upscaler, but I think the PS3 could probably do a really good job deinterlacing/upscaling those older games.

I can understand them saying "no enhancements like texture filtering/FSAA" but upscaling can be done to all games with no chance of there being any compatibility problems (Unlike that new Xploder HDTV accessory for the PS2)

[SilverStar]

Heh. What I loved about the whole outcry over the PSP ad, is that it was AMERICANS bitching about an ad from ANOTHER COUNTRY, to the point they damn near started lobbying that the ads be taken down.

"Uh, hello? Common sense here. I'd absolutely -love- to talk to you. So, if you could maybe return my message, maybe we'll touch base sometime and see if any of me rubs off onto you, alright? Thanks, bye."

[Bahamut]

The upscaling thing might not be good since it could emphasize pixelation and other graphical problems. Happens with a lot of games that game developers try to upscale or put anti-aliasing and actually make the game look worse than they used to.

Yeah upscaling can get very ugly. Playing old PS1 games on newer TVs also get just as ugly - I remember playing Breath of Fire IV in the summer on my HDTV at home and wow did it look horrible.

That can be true, but it all depends on the device doing the upscaling. The XRGB2/3 for instance does a really good job all around, but it would cost me ~$300 to get, So I figured I'd wait for the PS3. :cry:

Now I don't claim to know what hardware makes a good upscaler, but I think the PS3 could probably do a really good job deinterlacing/upscaling those older games.

I can understand them saying "no enhancements like texture filtering/FSAA" but upscaling can be done to all games with no chance of there being any compatibility problems (Unlike that new Xploder HDTV accessory for the PS2)

Well, Sony is a company that seems focused on having consumers excited about future releases and not nostalgia for old games, so I can see why they wouldn't go for upscaling old PS1 games - besides, it takes time from their R&D that could be better spent improving the PS3 hardware.

[Razumen]

The upscaling thing might not be good since it could emphasize pixelation and other graphical problems. Happens with a lot of games that game developers try to upscale or put anti-aliasing and actually make the game look worse than they used to.

Yeah upscaling can get very ugly. Playing old PS1 games on newer TVs also get just as ugly - I remember playing Breath of Fire IV in the summer on my HDTV at home and wow did it look horrible.

That can be true, but it all depends on the device doing the upscaling. The XRGB2/3 for instance does a really good job all around, but it would cost me ~$300 to get, So I figured I'd wait for the PS3. :cry:

Now I don't claim to know what hardware makes a good upscaler, but I think the PS3 could probably do a really good job deinterlacing/upscaling those older games.

I can understand them saying "no enhancements like texture filtering/FSAA" but upscaling can be done to all games with no chance of there being any compatibility problems (Unlike that new Xploder HDTV accessory for the PS2)

Well, Sony is a company that seems focused on having consumers excited about future releases and not nostalgia for old games, so I can see why they wouldn't go for upscaling old PS1 games - besides, it takes time from their R&D that could be better spent shafting their customers through the arse with BS and coarse wooden broomsticks.

[Bigfoot]

From Engadget, some Chinese site called ChinaGBA takes apart the SIXAXIS controller.

http://www.cngba.com/viewthread.php?tid=16197147&extra=page%3D1

[Atomicfog]

From Engadget, some Chinese site called ChinaGBA takes apart the SIXAXIS controller.

http://www.cngba.com/viewthread.php?tid=16197147&extra=page%3D1

Wow, that is really interesting; I wish I could read it though.

[linkspast]

From Engadget, some Chinese site called ChinaGBA takes apart the SIXAXIS controller.

http://www.cngba.com/viewthread.php?tid=16197147&extra=page%3D1

Wow, that is really interesting; I wish I could read it though.

Wow looks just like the insides of a ps2 conrtoller. well except for the battery pack and the leds.

[JoeFu]

http://www.gamebrink.com/playstation-3/391-Playstation_3-video-13.html

8O :!: 8O :!: 8O :!: 8O

I somehow skipped over this.


What the fuck? Seriously, they have the worst ads. What exactly does this have to do with playing b3yond?

rofl... what was that...

[The Damned]

It also shows how much room they had left over to put in force feedback. Seriously, check the pics. There's empty space in them there controllers! I can't believe that no one has thought up a way to improve and shrink rumble technology to fit into that thing. And I think we all know why...

[Atomicfog]

From Engadget, some Chinese site called ChinaGBA takes apart the SIXAXIS controller.

http://www.cngba.com/viewthread.php?tid=16197147&extra=page%3D1

Wow, that is really interesting; I wish I could read it though.

Wow looks just like the insides of a ps2 conrtoller. well except for the battery pack and the leds.

Similar, but there actually quite a few differences.

http://www.takeitapart.net/archives/ps2-controller/

[I-n-j-i-n]

Not exactly PS3 related, but very much related on the news of a Sony console, Final Fantasy XII will be released about a day from now. And Gametrailers.com will put up a review when it does (pretty much one of the few review sites I actually take note. Not just because of the pretty video presentation either).

Then, the long wait for FFXIII will begin.

[Razumen]

From Engadget, some Chinese site called ChinaGBA takes apart the SIXAXIS controller.

http://www.cngba.com/viewthread.php?tid=16197147&extra=page%3D1

Wow, that is really interesting; I wish I could read it though.

Wow looks just like the insides of a ps2 conrtoller. well except for the battery pack and the leds.

Similar, but there actually quite a few differences.

http://www.takeitapart.net/archives/ps2-controller/

I don't remember what company it was, but they were considering producing a third party PS3 controller with rumble. Of course they said it would all depend on support from developers whether or not they'd make one. But I for one think that would definitively be awesome if it panned out.

The upscaling thing might not be good since it could emphasize pixelation and other graphical problems. Happens with a lot of games that game developers try to upscale or put anti-aliasing and actually make the game look worse than they used to.

Yeah upscaling can get very ugly. Playing old PS1 games on newer TVs also get just as ugly - I remember playing Breath of Fire IV in the summer on my HDTV at home and wow did it look horrible.

That can be true, but it all depends on the device doing the upscaling. The XRGB2/3 for instance does a really good job all around, but it would cost me ~$300 to get, So I figured I'd wait for the PS3. :cry:

Now I don't claim to know what hardware makes a good upscaler, but I think the PS3 could probably do a really good job deinterlacing/upscaling those older games.

I can understand them saying "no enhancements like texture filtering/FSAA" but upscaling can be done to all games with no chance of there being any compatibility problems (Unlike that new Xploder HDTV accessory for the PS2)

Well, Sony is a company that seems focused on having consumers excited about future releases and not nostalgia for old games, so I can see why they wouldn't go for upscaling old PS1 games - besides, it takes time from their R&D that could be better spent improving the PS3 hardware.

I think that if the PS3 upscaled games to 480p it's demand would go up a lot more, and again I don't really think it would take much on their part to do so.

(just like the PS2, which should have had the ability to output any game in progressive scan (And it can without a performance hit, since it renders every game internally at 640x480) but they left it up to developers to enable it per game)

[Dyne]

Well, considering the launch price, the lack of components, and the only game I want to play on the PS3 is MGS4, I'd rather pick up a 360, and a Wii, so I can play Chrome Hounds on 360 and Twiligh Princess on Wii.

Period, end.

[Bigfoot]

Yikes, Japan to only get 80,000 PS3s (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/30/japan-to-get-fewer-ps3-launch-units-due-to-part-problems/)

[Viol8tor]

Quick question: Is there two different colored versions of the PS3 coming out? I cant find any site claiming otherwsie, besides the price, HD, etc difference.


Yikes, Japan to only get 80,000 PS3s (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/30/japan-to-get-fewer-ps3-launch-units-due-to-part-problems/)

Wow, well good thing they can just IMPORT ONE FROM LIK-SANG, AM I RIGHT??

[The Author]

http://www.gamebrink.com/playstation-3/391-Playstation_3-video-13.html

8O :!: 8O :!: 8O :!: 8O

I somehow skipped over this.


What the fuck? Seriously, they have the worst ads. What exactly does this have to do with playing b3yond?

rofl... what was that...

Smart Marketing.

They have so little PS3s available that they simply make the ads make people not want o buy PS3s to avoid running out.

[Smoke]

Quick question: Is there two different colored versions of the PS3 coming out? I cant find any site claiming otherwsie, besides the price, HD, etc difference.

There's a color difference between the 20GB and the 60GB model:

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/specs.html

[Bigfoot]

PS3 to consume twice as much power as the Xbox 360? (http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/sony_playstation_3_further_details.php)


That's going to be one nasty electric bill if this is confirmed.

[The Damned]

Ouch. The gift that keeps on costing.

To be fair, you also need to have a house to live in, food so you don't die, clothing, a couch or at least a floor to sit on, a TV to play it on...

[Evilhead]

PS3 to consume twice as much power as the Xbox 360? (http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/sony_playstation_3_further_details.php)


That's going to be one nasty electric bill if this is confirmed.


$5 a month? I think I can afford it...

[Kitsuta]

PS3 to consume twice as much power as the Xbox 360? (http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/sony_playstation_3_further_details.php)


That's going to be one nasty electric bill if this is confirmed.

The PS3 doesn't turn off properly, right? You have to use the button in the back?

I'm sure it'll use less wattage in standby mode, but still.

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, I guess it won't be too bad unless you have it on constantly. :P

[Evilhead]

PS3 to consume twice as much power as the Xbox 360? (http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/sony_playstation_3_further_details.php)


That's going to be one nasty electric bill if this is confirmed.

The PS3 doesn't turn off properly, right? You have to use the button in the back?

I'm sure it'll use less wattage in standby mode, but still.

It's pretty much the same as the PS2, I believe. You can cut the power completely, or have it so you just push a button to turn it on. It's nothing like a stand-by mode, unless you consider powering one LED being in stand-by mode...

[Kitsuta]

PS3 to consume twice as much power as the Xbox 360? (http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/sony_playstation_3_further_details.php)


That's going to be one nasty electric bill if this is confirmed.

The PS3 doesn't turn off properly, right? You have to use the button in the back?

I'm sure it'll use less wattage in standby mode, but still.

It's pretty much the same as the PS2, I believe. You can cut the power completely, or have it so you just push a button to turn it on. It's nothing like a stand-by mode, unless you consider powering one LED being in stand-by mode...

Ahh. Didn't know how that worked.

It has a proper reset button, doesn't it? I hate how easy it is to just reset the PS2 instead of actually turning it off. I regularly find the PS2 on after my family members play it. :x

[Bahamut]

PS3 to consume twice as much power as the Xbox 360? (http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/sony_playstation_3_further_details.php)


That's going to be one nasty electric bill if this is confirmed.

The PS3 doesn't turn off properly, right? You have to use the button in the back?

I'm sure it'll use less wattage in standby mode, but still.

For the PS2, it was recommended that you left the button on if you were leaving it connected to the power since the change from AC to DC repeatedly could damage the system. My guess is that the PS3 would be similar.

[Evilhead]

PS3 to consume twice as much power as the Xbox 360? (http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/sony_playstation_3_further_details.php)


That's going to be one nasty electric bill if this is confirmed.

The PS3 doesn't turn off properly, right? You have to use the button in the back?

I'm sure it'll use less wattage in standby mode, but still.

For the PS2, it was recommended that you left the button on if you were leaving it connected to the power since the change from AC to DC repeatedly could damage the system. My guess is that the PS3 would be similar.


Really? I've never heard that. I've been turning my PS2 on and off with the power switch for about 5 years now with no issues.

[Bahamut]

PS3 to consume twice as much power as the Xbox 360? (http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/sony_playstation_3_further_details.php)


That's going to be one nasty electric bill if this is confirmed.

The PS3 doesn't turn off properly, right? You have to use the button in the back?

I'm sure it'll use less wattage in standby mode, but still.

For the PS2, it was recommended that you left the button on if you were leaving it connected to the power since the change from AC to DC repeatedly could damage the system. My guess is that the PS3 would be similar.


Really? I've never heard that. I've been turning my PS2 on and off with the power switch for about 5 years now with no issues.

Well, that advice isn't limited to just a PS2 - it applies to any device that converts power from AC to DC, such as a computer. That's why it's supposedly better for a laptop to be connected to the power and left on instead of being turned on and off a lot (although leaving it on does leave the problem of the battery getting drained faster).

[Power Surge]

So if Xbox 360 can get hot enough to cook eggs (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/31/xbox-360-cooks-a-fine-scambled-egg/), does that mean the PS3 will melt floors or something?

And as for the higher electricity bill when playing on a PS3, an extra $80 a year isn't so much; $50 extra is a more realistic figure, but that money could buy a year of Xbox Live. That kinda makes the whole "Xbox Live costs money but PS3 online is free" argument null and void.

[Bigfoot]

So if Xbox 360 can get hot enough to cook eggs (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/31/xbox-360-cooks-a-fine-scambled-egg/), does that mean the PS3 will melt floors or something?

And as for the higher electricity bill when playing on a PS3, an extra $80 a year isn't so much; $50 extra is a more realistic figure, but that money could buy a year of Xbox Live. That kinda makes the whole "Xbox Live costs money but PS3 online is free" argument null and void.

Isn't that video kind of bogus though? Of course it's going to be super HOT with no fans or anything. The Xbox 360 does have fans inside, correct? That's the GPU he put the egg on, right?


Also, isn't it bad to eat an egg like that? :p lol

[Power Surge]

So if Xbox 360 can get hot enough to cook eggs (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/31/xbox-360-cooks-a-fine-scambled-egg/), does that mean the PS3 will melt floors or something?

And as for the higher electricity bill when playing on a PS3, an extra $80 a year isn't so much; $50 extra is a more realistic figure, but that money could buy a year of Xbox Live. That kinda makes the whole "Xbox Live costs money but PS3 online is free" argument null and void.

Isn't that video kind of bogus though? Of course it's going to be super HOT with no fans or anything. The Xbox 360 does have fans inside, correct? That's the GPU he put the egg on, right?


Also, isn't it bad to eat an egg like that? :p lol
I wouldn't know. I don't do stupid shit like that. lol

[The Damned]

Not directly gaming news, but it does raise some serious concerns about the future of Sony. Along with the other problems they've had to deal with the last year or so, now this (http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/sony-under-doj-probe-but-not-for-games-211309.php) happens.

Federal investigation isn't a good thing for anyone. And depending upon the outcome, could deal a crippling blow to Sony. Hopefully, they will manage to avoid any serious penalties. Mind you, the goverment wouldn't bather launching an investigation if they didn't have some legitimate questions. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Bahamut]

*cough* more price fixing *cough*

[ValeforDj]

Oh no not a PS3 thread :roll:

Heres a summary of what sony is trying to sell you:

The Perfect Christmas package, Supply and demand people. 400,000 WW release while millions of people will be looking under there christmas tree for a PS3 (Rich uninformed people mostly)

Add that on top of ebays $4,000 price tags for ps3 (no, seriously, Search for playstation 3 right now on ebay) and youve got a "holiday disaster" for lil' timmy who has to settle for a Wii.

DOnt play yourselves, Ps3's will be back in stock by January of 07 come april we'll be getting disc read errors and so on from the Launch systems $99 dollar repair fee's and it will be ps2 all over again.

Focus on the software not the hardware. Theres practically NO launch titles confiremd other than Ridge Racer 7 (which both sounds and looks gorgeuos on a 27 inch plasma... with optical and dolby digital recievers... thats another $4,000 added to the $699 price tag.)

My Final Opinion...
1. get a resellers liscense
2. Find a REPUTABLE SONY re-seller
3. Buy 3- 4 ps3s at once
4. Ebay to your hearts content ( I suggest 3 if you buy 4 consoles)
5. Come january sell off your "test unit" AS IS
6. by february PS3's will be in stores all over
7. use that ebay earnings to ge yourself a whole new setup for your ps3
(I'm talking new tv and sound system)
8. Die happily (hopefully after FFXIII FF7 ACC and FFXIII Vs.)

:)

That is all 8O

[Bahamut]

Oh no not a PS3 thread :roll:

Heres a summary of what sony is trying to sell you:

The Perfect Christmas package, Supply and demand people. 400,000 WW release while millions of people will be looking under there christmas tree for a PS3 (Rich uninformed people mostly)

Add that on top of ebays $4,000 price tags for ps3 (no, seriously, Search for playstation 3 right now on ebay) and youve got a "holiday disaster" for lil' timmy who has to settle for a Wii.

DOnt play yourselves, Ps3's will be back in stock by January of 07 come april we'll be getting disc read errors and so on from the Launch systems $99 dollar repair fee's and it will be ps2 all over again.

Focus on the software not the hardware. Theres practically NO launch titles confiremd other than Ridge Racer 7 (which both sounds and looks gorgeuos on a 27 inch plasma... with optical and dolby digital recievers... thats another $4,000 added to the $699 price tag.)

If you're going to bash the PS3, at least do the math right. A good HDTV costs less than $2000 these days (and I mean 40+" flat panel HDTV with 1080p). Also, I have hardly seen PS3s go for $2000 on ebay so far. In fact, Sony is trying to curb those preorder PS3s (http://www.gametab.com/news/725352/).

[Viol8tor]

My Final Opinion...
1. get a resellers liscense
2. Find a REPUTABLE SONY re-seller
3. Buy 3- 4 ps3s at once
4. Ebay to your hearts content ( I suggest 3 if you buy 4 consoles)

I want in........50/50.

[Bigfoot]

Hands-on preview.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/01/playstation3-hands-on-preview-with-video/

[Kitsuta]

Hands-on preview.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/01/playstation3-hands-on-preview-with-video/

What? I thought they were going to play a game on it after doing an overview of the console itself. :?

Oh well. It's pretty, anyhow.

[The Author]

Also, I kinda remember Japan having strict export legislation to avoid exporting crappy products... how is this interfering with the battery fiasco?

[KakTheInfected]

Also, I kinda remember Japan having strict export legislation to avoid exporting crappy products... how is this interfering with the battery fiasco?

Apparently they don't, I still see PSPs in stores.

Ba-da ba ba-da bum.

[Evilhead]

Also, I kinda remember Japan having strict export legislation to avoid exporting crappy products... how is this interfering with the battery fiasco?

Apparently they don't, I still see PSPs in stores.

Ba-da ba ba-da bum.

Oh the comedy.

[Viol8tor]

Quick question: Is there two different colored versions of the PS3 coming out? I cant find any site claiming otherwsie, besides the price, HD, etc difference.

There's a color difference between the 20GB and the 60GB model:

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/specs.html

Dammit. I really want the black one, even do its gona be a magnet for finger prints and dust. Gonna have to settle i guess. When i get my PS3, might aswell dish out the extra $$ and get the better one.

[Bahamut]

Quick question: Is there two different colored versions of the PS3 coming out? I cant find any site claiming otherwsie, besides the price, HD, etc difference.

There's a color difference between the 20GB and the 60GB model:

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/specs.html

Dammit. I really want the black one, even do its gona be a magnet for finger prints and dust. Gonna have to settle i guess. When i get my PS3, might aswell dish out the extra $$ and get the better one.

Why do people think black as so sexy anyway? I mean I like the look of the black PS3 too, but why the craze over the color? I mean Apple showed that there is a craze too, with the whole $150 premium on the black Macbook over the white Macbook.

[Viol8tor]

Quick question: Is there two different colored versions of the PS3 coming out? I cant find any site claiming otherwsie, besides the price, HD, etc difference.

There's a color difference between the 20GB and the 60GB model:

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/specs.html

Dammit. I really want the black one, even do its gona be a magnet for finger prints and dust. Gonna have to settle i guess. When i get my PS3, might aswell dish out the extra $$ and get the better one.

Why do people think black as so sexy anyway? I mean I like the look of the black PS3 too, but why the craze over the color? I mean Apple showed that there is a craze too, with the whole $150 premium on the black Macbook over the white Macbook.More of a personal taste in my opinion. My Ps3 can match my black PSP. While my white Wii can match my white DS Lite.

[Razumen]

Quick question: Is there two different colored versions of the PS3 coming out? I cant find any site claiming otherwsie, besides the price, HD, etc difference.

There's a color difference between the 20GB and the 60GB model:

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/specs.html

Dammit. I really want the black one, even do its gona be a magnet for finger prints and dust. Gonna have to settle i guess. When i get my PS3, might aswell dish out the extra $$ and get the better one.

Why do people think black as so sexy anyway? I mean I like the look of the black PS3 too, but why the craze over the color? I mean Apple showed that there is a craze too, with the whole $150 premium on the black Macbook over the white Macbook.More of a personal taste in my opinion. My Ps3 can match my black PSP. While my white Wii can match my white DS Lite.

Uh, unless I'm mistaken I'm pretty sure both models are black, the only difference being that the 60GB version has silver trim, while the 20GB doesn't.

[Kitsuta]

Quick question: Is there two different colored versions of the PS3 coming out? I cant find any site claiming otherwsie, besides the price, HD, etc difference.

There's a color difference between the 20GB and the 60GB model:

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/specs.html

Dammit. I really want the black one, even do its gona be a magnet for finger prints and dust. Gonna have to settle i guess. When i get my PS3, might aswell dish out the extra $$ and get the better one.

Why do people think black as so sexy anyway? I mean I like the look of the black PS3 too, but why the craze over the color? I mean Apple showed that there is a craze too, with the whole $150 premium on the black Macbook over the white Macbook.More of a personal taste in my opinion. My Ps3 can match my black PSP. While my white Wii can match my white DS Lite.

Uh, unless I'm mistaken I'm pretty sure both models are black, the only difference being that the 60GB version has silver trim, while the 20GB doesn't.

And of course it's much, much shinier.

[Merk]

This (http://youtube.com/watch?v=XJaGScKpZuU&mode=related&search=) is really creepy. I was just thinking about how I've yet to see commercials for PS3 (or Wii for that matter) when they're both less than 3 weeks away.

[Bigfoot]

I wonder how loud/quiet the PS3 is compared to the 360.

Other little links:
Sony has 40 e-Distribution projects in pipeline, PS3's new focus? (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/01/sony-has-40-e-distribution-projects-in-pipeline-ps3s-new-focus/)


Famitsu reviews five PS3 launch games (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/01/famitsu-reviews-five-ps3-launch-games/)


The games look pretty good, but mentioned in the article it said it's 360 counterparts look about the same. The TVs they're on are nice, I was actually looking at that one at work today heh. Just wish I could afford one.
Edit: Gameplay preview with pics (http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/01/playstation-3-gameplay-preview/)

[Bahamut]

Whoa, PS3 games got some solid scores.

[Bigfoot]

Whoa, PS3 games got some solid scores.

I think they were a little too generous, and it mostly sounded like they based the scores mostly on graphics.

[Evilhead]

I wonder how loud/quiet the PS3 is compared to the 360.

Seems like it's quieter.

From http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=6408:

At a rating of just 22 decibels, it's only slightly louder than a human whisper. All we know is that we could barely hear it running.

[Linkjing Donuts]

This (http://youtube.com/watch?v=XJaGScKpZuU&mode=related&search=) is really creepy. I was just thinking about how I've yet to see commercials for PS3 (or Wii for that matter) when they're both less than 3 weeks away.
I saw that on TV. I don't get it at all.

[The Author]

So, what do you think of Grand Turismo "buy more online"?

4 tracks and limited number of cars... I hope this does not become a trend.


"Final Fantasy 15, the first 10 levels are free, but you have to buy the rest."

[Nec5]

So, what do you think of Grand Turismo "buy more online"?

4 tracks and limited number of cars... I hope this does not become a trend.


"Final Fantasy 15, the first 10 levels are free, but you have to buy the rest."If you want Fire3, you'll have use emarket points to purchase it in our exclusive online spell store! Come early and often because you never know what Tellah has for sale! Big smiles!

[The Author]

So, what do you think of Grand Turismo "buy more online"?

4 tracks and limited number of cars... I hope this does not become a trend.


"Final Fantasy 15, the first 10 levels are free, but you have to buy the rest."If you want Fire3, you'll have use emarket points to purchase it in our exclusive online spell store! Come early and often because you never know what Tellah has for sale! Big smiles!

"Second quarter has ended in NFL 2007, and, if the player wants to finish his game, he will enter his credit card number."

[Bigfoot]

So, what do you think of Grand Turismo "buy more online"?

4 tracks and limited number of cars... I hope this does not become a trend.


"Final Fantasy 15, the first 10 levels are free, but you have to buy the rest."

FFVII for the PS3.


Revive Aeris - $599

[Nec5]

So, what do you think of Grand Turismo "buy more online"?

4 tracks and limited number of cars... I hope this does not become a trend.


"Final Fantasy 15, the first 10 levels are free, but you have to buy the rest."

FFVII for the PS3.


Revive Aeris - $599For everything else, there's Mastercard.

[Razumen]

So, what do you think of Grand Turismo "buy more online"?

4 tracks and limited number of cars... I hope this does not become a trend.


"Final Fantasy 15, the first 10 levels are free, but you have to buy the rest."

FFVII for the PS3.


Revive Aeris - $599For everything else, there's Mastercard.

Your PS4 trial period has ended, please buy a monthly subscription of only $59.99!

[Nec5]

I'm glad youkai brought this up. This is one of the few places that critically examines the practical pros/cons of the systems (even amidst fanboys). Eventually, everything will be a subscription.

[Kitsuta]

This (http://youtube.com/watch?v=XJaGScKpZuU&mode=related&search=) is really creepy. I was just thinking about how I've yet to see commercials for PS3 (or Wii for that matter) when they're both less than 3 weeks away.
I saw that on TV. I don't get it at all.

Yeah, I saw this while watching a South Park episode about the Wii. :lol:

[atmuh]

There are PS3 kiosks at the Toys R Us in Time Square in NYC if anyone cares.

[Kitsuta]

There are PS3 kiosks at the Toys R Us in Time Square in NYC if anyone cares.

Try them out and tell us what you think! :o

[Ninja-san]

Holy shit whats up with that ps3 commercial with the baby???

[Mr.Roboto]

Holy shit whats up with that ps3 commercial with the baby???

Clearly the baby is the child of parents who had to sell their first born child on the blackmarket to get the funds to purchase the PS3.Which is also symbolized how the PS3 is held in a "higher" regard.

...

Yeah.

[darthseb]

This thread has been locked, but you can unlock it for the limited-time offer of 599USD!

[Bigfoot]

Holy shit whats up with that ps3 commercial with the baby???


The baby is posing as everyones future child. The purchase of the PS3 and purchase of other games will lead to you not being able pay his/her way through college. You still gotta buy that HDTV too. The baby crying is pretty much showing that it's saying goodbye to it's future with no way through college.

Sony PS3. Pay B3yond.



Calm down, I'm just kidding :P

[Evilhead]

Wow, the marketing guys at Sony must be geniuses. I haven't seen a commercial as talked about as this one...

[Bigfoot]

Wow, the marketing guys at Sony must be geniuses. I haven't seen a commercial as talked about as this one...


It doesn't mean it makes people want it. It's making more people say "what the hell is it supposed to mean?" rather than "Wow, the game footage looks awesome!" oh wait, there is none :\ For something that wants you to "Play Beyond anything ever created", they should at least show previews of some gameplay in their commercials, not a baby crying.


This is going to be such a big mess for people trying to get one. I'm wondering when Sony is going to produce more at a normal speed. If stores are only getting 3-5, then does that mean the second shipment that arrives at that store will be 3-5 again?

Did anyone on this board pre-order a PS3 for the purpose of actually keeping it?

[Bahamut]

Wow, the marketing guys at Sony must be geniuses. I haven't seen a commercial as talked about as this one...


It doesn't mean it makes people want it. It's making more people say "what the hell is it supposed to mean?" rather than "Wow, the game footage looks awesome!" oh wait, there is none :\ For something that wants you to "Play Beyond anything ever created", they should at least show previews of some gameplay in their commercials, not a baby crying.


This is going to be such a big mess for people trying to get one. I'm wondering when Sony is going to produce more at a normal speed. If stores are only getting 3-5, then does that mean the second shipment that arrives at that store will be 3-5 again?

Did anyone on this board pre-order a PS3 for the purpose of actually keeping it?

The second shipment will be supposedly quite more. However, it will still be hard to acquire one, just as with the XBox 360 launch.

[Kitsuta]

Wow, the marketing guys at Sony must be geniuses. I haven't seen a commercial as talked about as this one...

I talked to a friend of mine about this today. He works for Eurocom as a game tester - he said that when he showed this commercial to someone, he drew a small crowd of people. Most were creeped out about it. When he tried to play it again, most of the ones who had seen it fully(as opposed to the people who came in late) left in disgust.

[Evilhead]

Wow, the marketing guys at Sony must be geniuses. I haven't seen a commercial as talked about as this one...

I talked to a friend of mine about this today. He works for Eurocom as a game tester - he said that when he showed this commercial to someone, he drew a small crowd of people. Most were creeped out about it. When he tried to play it again, most of the ones who had seen it fully(as opposed to the people who came in late) left in disgust.


Why would anyone watch any commercial two times in a row?



Anyway, all I'm saying is there is a huge buzz about this commercial, so they are doing something right. It's not like anyone is going to refuse to buy a PS3 because of it. I think the marketing group is going for:

"Hey did you see that weird PS3 commercial? WTF?"
"Yeah, what's up with the baby LOLZ"
"There's not even any footage of games."
"When is MGS4 coming out anyway?"
ETC

[Kitsuta]

I dunno about you, but I like to watch some good, interesting or funny commercials two times in a row.

I get your point. I just don't like the "any publicity is good publicity" idea. It's not very good for people who don't already know about this stuff.

On the other hand, you could probably make a very good argument for the PS3 being the anti-gaming-newbie machine. So they probably got what they wanted.

[The Author]

It is true that there is no bad publicity, as long as its got people talking...

[The Damned]

...most of the ones who had seen it fully(as opposed to the people who came in late) left in disgust.
Sort of like with the pricetag, eh?

[atmuh]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/02/ps3-ridge-racer-9-minutes-too-long/

not sure if posted already, but....ewwwwww

[Bahamut]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/02/ps3-ridge-racer-9-minutes-too-long/

not sure if posted already, but....ewwwwww

I just hope that hard drive installation crap doesn't become standard.

[Evilhead]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/02/ps3-ridge-racer-9-minutes-too-long/

not sure if posted already, but....ewwwwww

I just hope that hard drive installation crap doesn't become standard.

It's an optional install. If you want to speed up loading times they give you the option to install the game on the hard drive so it loads directly from that. If you have the 60 gig version and only a handful of PS3 games, it would definitely be worth it. Even if you had the 20 gig. Load it up once and you can play Ridge Racer with blazing load times until you decide you want to use that space for something else. Pretty cool if you ask me, and I hope more games offer this option! I tend to focus on one or two games at a time, so while I'm playing them it would be nice to be able to load them on the HD to kill any loading times. I can't believe people would complain about a feature like this... It's actually pretty cool and makes good use of that HD you are paying for.

[Bigfoot]

Remember when it was said that Japan will be getting 80,000 instead of 100,000. I think I know where those other 20,000 PS3s are going now:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/03/ps3-to-hit-taiwan-hong-kong-nov-17/

[atmuh]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/02/ps3-ridge-racer-9-minutes-too-long/

not sure if posted already, but....ewwwwww

I just hope that hard drive installation crap doesn't become standard.

It's an optional install. If you want to speed up loading times they give you the option to install the game on the hard drive so it loads directly from that. If you have the 60 gig version and only a handful of PS3 games, it would definitely be worth it. Even if you had the 20 gig. Load it up once and you can play Ridge Racer with blazing load times until you decide you want to use that space for something else. Pretty cool if you ask me, and I hope more games offer this option! I tend to focus on one or two games at a time, so while I'm playing them it would be nice to be able to load them on the HD to kill any loading times. I can't believe people would complain about a feature like this... It's actually pretty cool and makes good use of that HD you are paying for.
The load times wont be BLAZING. It just said that they would be reduced (to about 4 seconds for Genji, estimating in favor of Sony), since you are not installing the full game.

[Bigfoot]

PlayStation 3 menu / interface complete video walkthrough (http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/03/playstation-3-menu-interface-complete-video-walkthrough/)

If you own a PSP then you will be very familiar with the interface.

The part where the photos are falling is pretty sweet looking.

[Razumen]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/02/ps3-ridge-racer-9-minutes-too-long/

not sure if posted already, but....ewwwwww

I just hope that hard drive installation crap doesn't become standard.

It's an optional install. If you want to speed up loading times they give you the option to install the game on the hard drive so it loads directly from that. If you have the 60 gig version and only a handful of PS3 games, it would definitely be worth it. Even if you had the 20 gig. Load it up once and you can play Ridge Racer with blazing load times until you decide you want to use that space for something else. Pretty cool if you ask me, and I hope more games offer this option! I tend to focus on one or two games at a time, so while I'm playing them it would be nice to be able to load them on the HD to kill any loading times. I can't believe people would complain about a feature like this... It's actually pretty cool and makes good use of that HD you are paying for.
The load times wont be BLAZING. It just said that they would be reduced (to about 4 seconds for Genji, estimating in favor of Sony), since you are not installing the full game.
4 seconds may not be blazing, but if that would be the longest loading time in the game, then I'd totally go for a one time 9 minute install. I don't really see the problem with it, most people aren't going to be playing 5-10 games at once, so when you move onto a new game you can just remove the files.

It's kind of too bad they're using 2.5in drives, you can get so much more for less with the standard sized drives (although it would have made the PS3 bigger) I think you can plug in external drives via USB, but they'd be slower and I don't know if you can use them to install game files onto.

[Nec5]

Long load times for games? Why am I suddenly reminded of my C64 days? After waiting several minutes, you could often get a File Not Found error. I thought we were moving forward. :(

I also thought plug and play was paving the way. :(

[Razumen]

Lawlz, on a completely different topic, it's hilarious to hear people start spewing nonsense when they hear that developers are actually using that extra space on the Blu-Ray discs.

"O rlly?? Code doesn't take up that much space!?"
"Lolz they using uncompressored stuffs?"

One guy even thinks they're storing uncompressed data on the disc, but before it loads the data off the disc it compresses them first...

Um, right... :?

Seriously guys, you can olny talk so much about stuff you have no experience in before you start spewing crap out the wrong hole.

[Bahamut]

Well, one thing that does concern me about blu-ray is that I heard the read speeds are slower than DVD.

[Zaid]

Lawlz, on a completely different topic, it's hilarious to hear people start spewing nonsense when they hear that developers are actually using that extra space on the Blu-Ray discs.

"O rlly?? Code doesn't take up that much space!?"
"Lolz they using uncompressored stuffs?"

One guy even thinks they're storing uncompressed data on the disc, but before it loads the data off the disc it compresses them first...

Um, right... :?

Seriously guys, you can olny talk so much about stuff you have no experience in before you start spewing crap out the wrong hole.

But Razumen, god forbid anybody wants this superior technology. we have to show them the light of how much cooler the Wii is. I mean like...its going to own, you obviously haven't paid attention to the motion sensor. You tool, its innovative, almost futuristic.

[Razumen]

Lawlz, on a completely different topic, it's hilarious to hear people start spewing nonsense when they hear that developers are actually using that extra space on the Blu-Ray discs.

"O rlly?? Code doesn't take up that much space!?"
"Lolz they using uncompressored stuffs?"

One guy even thinks they're storing uncompressed data on the disc, but before it loads the data off the disc it compresses them first...

Um, right... :?

Seriously guys, you can olny talk so much about stuff you have no experience in before you start spewing crap out the wrong hole.

But Razumen, god forbid anybody wants this superior technology. we have to show them the light of how much cooler the Wii is. I mean like...its going to own, you obviously haven't paid attention to the motion sensor. You tool, its innovative, almost futuristic.

Well I wasn't talking about Nintendo fanatics, just idiots in general.

I myself really like the Wiimote and think it'll open up some new gameplay experiences, it's just too bad we can't get it with a console that actually has next-gen graphics.

[Zaid]

I am still putting my hopes on that Sony will do something wise with the motion control in their system. I really think its a good idea that their controller is a variation between a standard controller and motion. Also they are known to occasionally push creativity, despite what many nintendo fans will say.

But ya, I do think the Wii is going to do well, and be entertaining. Sadly we will see the graphics drop off alot quicker than other next gen due to it being similiar to program as a gamecube, meaning it will top off alot quicker.

[Razumen]

I am still putting my hopes on that Sony will do something wise with the motion control in their system. I really think its a good idea that their controller is a variation between a standard controller and motion. Also they are known to occasionally push creativity, despite what many nintendo fans will say.

But ya, I do think the Wii is going to do well, and be entertaining. Sadly we will see the graphics drop off alot quicker than other next gen due to it being similiar to program as a gamecube, meaning it will top off alot quicker.

Except it's really just tilt control. SixAxis is a real misnamer for it, considering it uses at most 3 axis (Thumbsticks don't count).

But reports say it's sensitive and responsive, so developers should get some good use out of it, too bad rumble's gone - that could've worked well with the tilt functionality (ie: you'd get some feedback on you're steering or whatever by different variations of rumbling)

And if the Wii does become more popular than the GC and garner more developers, hopefully they'll learn how push it to the limit like they did the PS2 - I was very impressed with some of the graphics it managed to pull off.