Sony PS3

[Nec5]

I do not consider long load times as superior technology. Then again, I don't see the wiimote as superior technology either. It strikes me as a gimmick for kids. Was I the only one who viewed rumble "technology" as overated?

The only system that interests me is the PS3 because it represents a substantial improvement in technology via graphics (more objects on a screen, etc...). I'm interested in the end product. The price tag, however, forces me to take a wait-and-see approach.

It appears that all three consoles may choose to nickel and dime us. In the old days, you might receive this ending:

"Congratulations. To see a graphic ending, complete the game on hard difficulty."

Soon we will see this:
"Congratulations. To see the real ending, lost levels, and use new ships, please upgrade your game at the estore! Now you're playing with power!"

[Razumen]

I do not consider long load times as superior technology. Then again, I don't see the wiimote as superior technology either. It strikes me as a gimmick for kids. Was I the only one who viewed rumble "technology" as overated?

The only system that interests me is the PS3 because it represents a substantial improvement in technology via graphics (more objects on a screen, etc...). I'm interested in the end product. The price tag, however, forces me to take a wait-and-see approach.

It appears that all three consoles may choose to nickel and dime us. In the old days, you might receive this ending:

"Congratulations. To see a graphic ending, complete the game on hard difficulty."

Soon we will see this:
"Congratulations. To see the real ending, lost levels, and use new ships, please upgrade your game at the estore! Now you're playing with power!"

If you think about it gaming is really kind of childish itself anyways, it's only now becoming a bit more mainstream because we're all now growing up. :wink:

I don't know about rumble being over-rated, it does add a nice 'feel' to games when used properly (ie: it's not rumbling all the damn time) - and it can even be used to further the gameplay as well.

15 seconds of load time isn't all that long to me, it's longer than I'd like though so I'm glad they have the HD install option there. You're right however, they do seem to have taken a step backwards in some regards,

The XBox had it right because it would load data onto the HD automatically, in the background, for faster loading. Of course MS screwed up and made the HD nonstandard for the 360 so we can't really bet on developers using that as much anymore. The PS3, while having a standard a HD, it's the BLU-Ray's pathetic read speed that's limiting it more.

[Bigfoot]

Taken from Engadget (http://www.engadget.com):

Facts about the PS3:

* After plenty of gameplay the console is cool -- or at worst warm -- to the touch on every surface. In a side by side test with the Xbox 360, the console is comparably virtually silent, and the Blu-ray drive is significantly quieter than the 360's DVD drive.
* USB keyboards and mice will be plug-n-play, no fuss at all. Who really wants to browse the web with a PlayStation controller anyway?
* Bluetooth mice and keyboards will not work with the system at launch.
* Any (A2DP) Bluetooth headset should theoretically work with the system, though Sony will have a recommended hardware list.
* The EyeToy is the only USB webcam that will work with the system. The original PS2 EyeToy should still work with the PS3.
* There are currently no plans for VGA out on the PlayStation3.
* The system will not support more than seven controllers.
* There are currently no plans for a cheaper, wired version of the SIXAXIS.
* With its media playback software one can have in-game custom soundtracks, as with the Xbox 360, Wii, etc.
* Despite rumor, Sony insists the US is still officially targeted for a 400k unit launch; Japan is still set for a mere 80k. Sony execs are actually expecting an upturn in unit production before launch, so those numbers may actually go up.
* Some titles have an option to install some amount of game data (in addition to saved data) to the drive. Genji can install 4GB worth of data to decrease load times (quoted to drop from 12-15 seconds down to 3-4); this game data can be removed at any time without affecting your saved games.
* The drive can be upgraded, although not on any official basis (read: YMMV, do so at your own risk, you may void warranty, etc.).
* You cannot leave voice or picture messages for other users on the PlayStation Network, only text.

[Evilhead]

Good info there. The only think that is irking me about the PS3 is the fact that I probably won't be able to get one for a while, especially with the miniscule launch in Japan. It's alright because I'll just get one down the line when there is a bigger library, but I still want one right away... Oh well, I have plenty of other games to keep me busy in the mean time.

[Razumen]

So if we replace our drive the warranty is voided? sounds like bull to me.

On another note I hope Resistance doesn't set a trend with regards to Mouse/Keyboard support in FPS game. Being able to use a M/K was a big deal for me when the PS3 announced it, and now Insomniac are saying they won't even support it for singleplayer because they're lazy asses and don't want to add in a higher difficulty for M/K users. :evil:

[Psychonaut]

So if we replace our drive the warranty is voided? sounds like bull to me.

That's pretty much how it's done... you replace something in your console (or really do any sort of user modification or repair) and your warranty is kaput.

[Bahamut]

So if we replace our drive the warranty is voided? sounds like bull to me.

On another note I hope Resistance doesn't set a trend with regards to Mouse/Keyboard support in FPS game. Being able to use a M/K was a big deal for me when the PS3 announced it, and now Insomniac are saying they won't even support it for singleplayer because they're lazy asses and don't want to add in a higher difficulty for M/K users. :evil:

Keyboard & mouse is overrated.

[The Author]

I have to admit I like that "near install" feature. Most of the time I focus on only one game and I would benefit from that.

[Bigfoot]

Newest PS3 commercial. They replaced the baby with a Rubik's Cube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qamwVJaYW8


I guess it's better than the baby at least. They still need to show what the hell the thing can do(games).

[Bobwillis]

So if we replace our drive the warranty is voided? sounds like bull to me.

On another note I hope Resistance doesn't set a trend with regards to Mouse/Keyboard support in FPS game. Being able to use a M/K was a big deal for me when the PS3 announced it, and now Insomniac are saying they won't even support it for singleplayer because they're lazy asses and don't want to add in a higher difficulty for M/K users. :evil:

Keyboard & mouse is so awesome.

[Kitsuta]

Newest PS3 commercial. They replaced the baby with a Rubik's Cube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qamwVJaYW8


I guess it's better than the baby at least. They still need to show what the hell the thing can do(games).

Didn't they show some airplanes? That looked like gameplay.

[Bigfoot]

Newest PS3 commercial. They replaced the baby with a Rubik's Cube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qamwVJaYW8


I guess it's better than the baby at least. They still need to show what the hell the thing can do(games).

Didn't they show some airplanes? That looked like gameplay.


That's totally different. This is 30 seconds long :P

[Razumen]

So if we replace our drive the warranty is voided? sounds like bull to me.

On another note I hope Resistance doesn't set a trend with regards to Mouse/Keyboard support in FPS game. Being able to use a M/K was a big deal for me when the PS3 announced it, and now Insomniac are saying they won't even support it for singleplayer because they're lazy asses and don't want to add in a higher difficulty for M/K users. :evil:

Keyboard & mouse is overrated.

Nay sir, for FPS there is no greater thing.
Why do you think the Resistance developers don't want it in their game? Because people who used it would wipe the floor with the other players, even if they had the same turning restrictions placed upon them.

So if we replace our drive the warranty is voided? sounds like bull to me.

That's pretty much how it's done... you replace something in your console (or really do any sort of user modification or repair) and your warranty is kaput.

For most consoles yes, But I read a lot about Sony saying the HD could be easily accessed, removed and replaced by the user with any standard 2.5in HD. I don't think they would support any issues cropping up with using bew drives, but I seriously doubt the warranty would be voided. They are after all touting it more as a computer than just a gamemachine.

I'll see if I can get any links to verify this.

[Kitsuta]

Newest PS3 commercial. They replaced the baby with a Rubik's Cube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qamwVJaYW8


I guess it's better than the baby at least. They still need to show what the hell the thing can do(games).

Didn't they show some airplanes? That looked like gameplay.


That's totally different. This is 30 seconds long :P

Oh right.

Carry on then.

[megadave]

I saw a ps3 commercial last night. It had a rubix cube that exploded in a room. I can't remember much more, because I was halfway asleep.

[Spotnick]

Did it perhaps looks anything or slightly like this one? :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46DJWqZ8c0g

[Bigfoot]

Kind of like the one I just posted? :DDDD lol :P

[megadave]

Yeah, that's the one. I don't like the baby one, it's too damn weird.

[Zutnunzor]

Keyboard and mouse... I play console fps's to get away from that. There is a certain thrill in using a controller.

Not to mention if your in a room full of your friends playing something like Goldeneye or Halo, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy next to you stole your keyboard and beat you over the head with it.

[Bahamut]

So if we replace our drive the warranty is voided? sounds like bull to me.

On another note I hope Resistance doesn't set a trend with regards to Mouse/Keyboard support in FPS game. Being able to use a M/K was a big deal for me when the PS3 announced it, and now Insomniac are saying they won't even support it for singleplayer because they're lazy asses and don't want to add in a higher difficulty for M/K users. :evil:

Keyboard & mouse is overrated.

Nay sir, for FPS there is no greater thing.
Why do you think the Resistance developers don't want it in their game? Because people who used it would wipe the floor with the other players, even if they had the same turning restrictions placed upon them.

It's called not developing something like carpal tunnel syndrome. Keyboard & mouse far more easily facilitate problems with the awkward hand positions encouraged by fast games like FPS. I like to play my games comfortably, thank-you-very-much.

[Bigfoot]

If you think about it, it'd be weird if say you wanted to play at your friend's house with a bunch of people, so you'd have a room full of keyboards and mice..

The option to USE Keyboard and Mouse should be there just to have it at least. Some people use the controller over the keyboard/mouse so much that they're are better using the controller.

[Razumen]

So if we replace our drive the warranty is voided? sounds like bull to me.

On another note I hope Resistance doesn't set a trend with regards to Mouse/Keyboard support in FPS game. Being able to use a M/K was a big deal for me when the PS3 announced it, and now Insomniac are saying they won't even support it for singleplayer because they're lazy asses and don't want to add in a higher difficulty for M/K users. :evil:

Keyboard & mouse is overrated.

Nay sir, for FPS there is no greater thing.
Why do you think the Resistance developers don't want it in their game? Because people who used it would wipe the floor with the other players, even if they had the same turning restrictions placed upon them.

It's called not developing something like carpal tunnel syndrome. Keyboard & mouse far more easily facilitate problems with the awkward hand positions encouraged by fast games like FPS. I like to play my games comfortably, thank-you-very-much.

You can get carpal tunnel syndrome just as easily from a gamepad as you can a mouse. Moot point.
As for 'awkward hand positions' You do know you can move more than just your wrist?

If you think about it, it'd be weird if say you wanted to play at your friend's house with a bunch of people, so you'd have a room full of keyboards and mice..

It wouldn't be weird at all, I can totally see companies making loads of money off of mice/keyboard sets designed specifically for gaming on your couch.

The option to USE Keyboard and Mouse should be there just to have it at least. Some people use the controller over the keyboard/mouse so much that they're are better using the controller.

They may be better at using the gamepad, but they'll still never be able to match the precision and ease of using a keyboard and mouse.

[Bahamut]

So if we replace our drive the warranty is voided? sounds like bull to me.

On another note I hope Resistance doesn't set a trend with regards to Mouse/Keyboard support in FPS game. Being able to use a M/K was a big deal for me when the PS3 announced it, and now Insomniac are saying they won't even support it for singleplayer because they're lazy asses and don't want to add in a higher difficulty for M/K users. :evil:

Keyboard & mouse is overrated.

Nay sir, for FPS there is no greater thing.
Why do you think the Resistance developers don't want it in their game? Because people who used it would wipe the floor with the other players, even if they had the same turning restrictions placed upon them.

It's called not developing something like carpal tunnel syndrome. Keyboard & mouse far more easily facilitate problems with the awkward hand positions encouraged by fast games like FPS. I like to play my games comfortably, thank-you-very-much.

You can get carpal tunnel syndrome just as easily from a gamepad as you can a mouse. Moot point.
As for 'awkward hand positions' You do know you can move more than just your wrist?

I call bullshit. Point me proof. Modern gamepads are designed with ergonomics in mind (i.e. the XBox 360 controller), so I highly doubt that that statement holds any water.

[Evilhead]

Getting way off topic here, but I agree that mouse/keyboard is the way to play FPSs. Controllers are doable, but if you can use your mouse well there is no comparison. You just point where you want to shoot. Analog sticks are just way less accurate, although you can get used to them to the point where you can play well. In the end though, it's just a preference. A friend of mine only uses controllers since he's no good with a mouse. I could go either way. Some PC gamers probably can't use a controller at all.



For most consoles yes, But I read a lot about Sony saying the HD could be easily accessed, removed and replaced by the user with any standard 2.5in HD. I don't think they would support any issues cropping up with using bew drives, but I seriously doubt the warranty would be voided. They are after all touting it more as a computer than just a gamemachine.

I'll see if I can get any links to verify this.

It might be a simple task to replace the drive but there are lot of morons out there. How does Sony know if you spilled your Dr Pepper in there wile you were swapping the thing out? Basically if you open your machine for mods you are on your own if it breaks. Most of the time the warranty is pretty short anyway.

[Bahamut]

Getting way off topic here, but I agree that mouse/keyboard is the way to play FPSs. Controllers are doable, but if you can use your mouse well there is no comparison. You just point where you want to shoot. Analog sticks are just way less accurate, although you can get used to them to the point where you can play well. In the end though, it's just a preference. A friend of mine only uses controllers since he's no good with a mouse. I could go either way. Some PC gamers probably can't use a controller at all.

Well, something along the lines of the Wiimote would be far more better for FPS IMO - you have even more freedom and you're not doing something as ridiculous as moving your mouse superfast to do something highly uncharacteristic of a supposedly human-controlled character.


Anyway, look at how Best Buy drops the ball again: http://www.gametab.com/news/731358/

[Gollgagh]

Getting way off topic here, but I agree that mouse/keyboard is the way to play FPSs. Controllers are doable, but if you can use your mouse well there is no comparison. You just point where you want to shoot. Analog sticks are just way less accurate, although you can get used to them to the point where you can play well. In the end though, it's just a preference. A friend of mine only uses controllers since he's no good with a mouse. I could go either way. Some PC gamers probably can't use a controller at all.



For most consoles yes, But I read a lot about Sony saying the HD could be easily accessed, removed and replaced by the user with any standard 2.5in HD. I don't think they would support any issues cropping up with using bew drives, but I seriously doubt the warranty would be voided. They are after all touting it more as a computer than just a gamemachine.

I'll see if I can get any links to verify this.

It might be a simple task to replace the drive but there are lot of morons out there. How does Sony know if you spilled your Dr Pepper in there wile you were swapping the thing out? Basically if you open your machine for mods you are on your own if it breaks. Most of the time the warranty is pretty short anyway.

That would be so awesome.

Can the drive be swapped out of both versions?

[Evilhead]

Getting way off topic here, but I agree that mouse/keyboard is the way to play FPSs. Controllers are doable, but if you can use your mouse well there is no comparison. You just point where you want to shoot. Analog sticks are just way less accurate, although you can get used to them to the point where you can play well. In the end though, it's just a preference. A friend of mine only uses controllers since he's no good with a mouse. I could go either way. Some PC gamers probably can't use a controller at all.

Well, something along the lines of the Wiimote would be far more better for FPS IMO - you have even more freedom and you're not doing something as ridiculous as moving your mouse superfast to do something highly uncharacteristic of a supposedly human-controlled character.

This is a contridictory statement. You are admitting that mouse control is so good that it almost makes your character TOO strong, yet you are saying something like a Wii remote is better?

I've been using a computer mouse for over 15 years now, all the way back with the old Mac Plus, and it's gotten to be completely natural for me. With a mouse calibrated to my liking I can just instantly point to anything on the screen with great accuracy. So using it in an FPS is quite natural. Using a Wii remote might be fun, but it's far less accurate, at least at first. Take a laser pointer, point it at something across the room, and chances are you'll be a bit off. True, I'm sure you'll get used to it, but a mouse and keyboard is great for those of us who already use them every day and have been for years.

Basically, we are saying the option to use it is cool, and that more developers should add that option. If they only way you are increasing difficulty in your games is by limiting the amount of control the player has, you're not making a good game. There are plenty of mouse controlled FPSs for the PC market that are quite difficult, even for seasoned FPS players.

[Bigfoot]

Plus with the wiimote, you can't hold the controller perfectly still, so your crosshair would be shaking a little bit like a real gun. So a mouse and keyboard is the best for any FPS.

[Evilhead]

Yeah, it comes out to balancing game play experience and gameplay. For instance, when Gran Turismo 3 came out I played it non-stop. Of course I wanted the official logitech weighted steering wheel and pedals. So I bought them. And returned them the next day. True, it was pretty cool to have that fairly realistic steering wheel in my hands but my game was suffering for it. My lap times were terrible when compared to the ones I got using the Dual Shock 2, so there was no point for me. Was it more fun to use the wheel? For about 10 minutes, then it was just frustrating.

That's my main concern for the Wii. For some games I think it will be great, as it will allow some pretty creative titles. But why use the remote when you don't have to? Just for the hell of it? The new Zelda title is a good example. Does the Wii remote benefit the game at all? Really, there's nothing you couldn't do with a regular controller in that game, and it seems like the fighting controls are unintuitive and clunky. What's the point?

[Kitsuta]

Anyway, look at how Best Buy drops the ball again: http://www.gametab.com/news/731358/

I can't view it. What does it say? :?

[Bigfoot]

Anyway, look at how Best Buy drops the ball again: http://www.gametab.com/news/731358/

I can't view it. What does it say? :?

[JoeFu]

That's my main concern for the Wii. For some games I think it will be great, as it will allow some pretty creative titles. But why use the remote when you don't have to? Just for the hell of it? The new Zelda title is a good example. Does the Wii remote benefit the game at all? Really, there's nothing you couldn't do with a regular controller in that game, and it seems like the fighting controls are unintuitive and clunky. What's the point?

Well... have you played the Wii? I have, and the thing is really responsive. In Zelda, it's not about the swordplay, it's still the same, but with the remote, things become easier, not more difficult like using the steering wheel on GT3.

[Evilhead]

That's my main concern for the Wii. For some games I think it will be great, as it will allow some pretty creative titles. But why use the remote when you don't have to? Just for the hell of it? The new Zelda title is a good example. Does the Wii remote benefit the game at all? Really, there's nothing you couldn't do with a regular controller in that game, and it seems like the fighting controls are unintuitive and clunky. What's the point?

Well... have you played the Wii? I have, and the thing is really responsive. In Zelda, it's not about the swordplay, it's still the same, but with the remote, things become easier, not more difficult like using the steering wheel on GT3.

No, I haven't, but the same could be said about the DS. The stylus is really responsive, but when given a choice, I always use the d-pad for control. The stylus is needed for games like Wario Ware and Metroid Prime, but do you really need it for games like Mr. Driller or some others? Actually, most of the games I like the best for the DS are d-pad based games like Mario Cart, Castlevania, etc. Basically, I think the remote should be used when it fits the game, NOT being forced into every game out there when it just doesn't make sense. And considering the remote is the primary means of control, we'll probably be seeing that a lot.

[Bigfoot]

Remember, this is a PS3 thread. :P


Engadget interviews Peter Dille, Sony's SVP of marketing, about the PS3. (http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/06/the-engadget-interview-peter-dille-sony-computer-entertainment/)

[Bahamut]

Yeah, I shouldn't have made those off-topic comments, but neither should've Razumen. I won't respond in this thread, although I did also lose sight of my main argument in little of my last set of comments.

Anyway, look at how Best Buy drops the ball again: http://www.gametab.com/news/731358/

I can't view it. What does it say? :?

Best Buy cancelled all PS3 preorders via their website. The site the news bit was on was 1up.com, so I wonder if they block certain ISPs (I couldn't view 1up.com when I was at my alma mater and while I was on AOL).

[Bigfoot]

Best Buy did pre-orders? They never do.

[Bahamut]

Online they did.

[Evilhead]

Remember, this is a PS3 thread. :P

Yeah, but if I talk about the Wii in the Wii thread I get flamed for 10 pages...


Engadget interviews Peter Dille, Sony's SVP of marketing, about the PS3. (http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/06/the-engadget-interview-peter-dille-sony-computer-entertainment/)


Good interview. Says a lot about how I feel the PS3 will play out. He was a bit vague in places, but that's his job really.

[The Damned]

Remember, this is a PS3 thread. :P

Yeah, but if I talk about the Wii in the Wii thread I get flamed for 10 pages...
That's because you troll there. Here, you're the king of the land, ruler of all you see.

[Evilhead]

Remember, this is a PS3 thread. :P

Yeah, but if I talk about the Wii in the Wii thread I get flamed for 10 pages...
That's because you troll there. Here, you're the king of the land, ruler of all you see.

Well, I troll there now for fun. But I've tried to have serious, legitimate discussions many times there and I get flamed to hell and back for not worshipping the Wii. People who dislike the PS3 are free to join the discussion here without getting flamed. Not the case with the frothing Nintendo fans.

[Bigfoot]

NBA 07 load times take FOREVER on the PS3 (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/06/nba-07-load-times-take-forever-on-the-ps3/)


Yeah, so it looks like putting games on the hard drive is a must.

I think I counted like 27 or 28 seconds. I hope it isn't longer when actually starting a game.

[The Damned]

Ever think that because you openly troll (and you admit to doing so), that they don't want to have any kind of discussion with you? Think about it; you show up, you throw some rocks at people's heads, and then you sit there and try to discuss the geological formations of the region and it's advantages and disadvantages over other kinds of rocks.

I like where that analogy went. That was pretty good for on-the-spot. Also, Firefox's new spellcheck just suggested "anally" as a possible spelling of analogy.

Also, the fanboy comments don't exactly help either. If you think you're above that sort of thing, why don't you prove it somehow? Like, I don't know... not trolling and not automaticly dismissing everyone as a rabid fanboy.

[Kitsuta]

Ever think that because you openly troll (and you admit to doing so), that they don't want to have any kind of discussion with you? Think about it; you show up, you throw some rocks at people's heads, and then you sit there and try to discuss the geological formations of the region and it's advantages and disadvantages over other kinds of rocks.

I like where that analogy went. That was pretty good for on-the-spot. Also, Firefox's new spellcheck just suggested "anally" as a possible spelling of analogy.

Also, the fanboy comments don't exactly help either. If you think you're above that sort of thing, why don't you prove it somehow? Like, I don't know... not trolling and not automaticly dismissing everyone as a rabid fanboy.

Ignoring people who mud fling at you is possible. We promise!

Seriously though, some people have seen you needlessly troll in that thread and elsewhere, think "he's just an idiot troll" and treat you as such regardless of what you say. I'm not like that - I actually responded to your previous post with the link to the article. But some are and you immediately use that to call everyone in that thread a fanboy. Then the people who didn't think you were trolling get annoyed, and on and on...

NBA 07 load times take FOREVER on the PS3 (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/06/nba-07-load-times-take-forever-on-the-ps3/)


Yeah, so it looks like putting games on the hard drive is a must.

I think I counted like 27 or 28 seconds. I hope it isn't longer when actually starting a game.

Did you uh.. not pay attention to the video? The game said that it was going to load itself onto the HDD. That's actually really quick for loading onto the HDD, which I thought was a one-time load.

[Evilhead]

Ever think that because you openly troll (and you admit to doing so), that they don't want to have any kind of discussion with you? Think about it; you show up, you throw some rocks at people's heads, and then you sit there and try to discuss the geological formations of the region and it's advantages and disadvantages over other kinds of rocks.

I like where that analogy went. That was pretty good for on-the-spot. Also, Firefox's new spellcheck just suggested "anally" as a possible spelling of analogy.

Also, the fanboy comments don't exactly help either. If you think you're above that sort of thing, why don't you prove it somehow? Like, I don't know... not trolling and not automaticly dismissing everyone as a rabid fanboy.


I've tried it. A lot of times. Read the whole Wii thread, I dunno. I've come up with some honest doubts or tried to spark discussions MANY times in that thread with no bad intent and literally been flamed for 5 or 6 pages, whether or not I respond. It's rediculous. No discussion is possible, so I'm over it. Try it yourself. Say something that isn't 100% positive about the Wii in that thread. 20 people will jump on you, and some will outright insult you personally, often without any kind of counter argument. Why try to debate with these people? It's a waste of time. Now I get my revenge by typing out a 5 sentence post or link one article and watch the fireworks. It's too easy.

[Bigfoot]

Ever think that because you openly troll (and you admit to doing so), that they don't want to have any kind of discussion with you? Think about it; you show up, you throw some rocks at people's heads, and then you sit there and try to discuss the geological formations of the region and it's advantages and disadvantages over other kinds of rocks.

I like where that analogy went. That was pretty good for on-the-spot. Also, Firefox's new spellcheck just suggested "anally" as a possible spelling of analogy.

Also, the fanboy comments don't exactly help either. If you think you're above that sort of thing, why don't you prove it somehow? Like, I don't know... not trolling and not automaticly dismissing everyone as a rabid fanboy.


I've tried it. A lot of times. Read the whole Wii thread, I dunno. I've come up with some honest doubts or tried to spark discussions MANY times in that thread with no bad intent and literally been flamed for 5 or 6 pages, whether or not I respond. It's rediculous. No discussion is possible, so I'm over it. Try it yourself. Say something that isn't 100% positive about the Wii in that thread. 20 people will jump on you, and some will outright insult you personally, often without any kind of counter argument. Why try to debate with these people? It's a waste of time. Now I get my revenge by typing out a 5 sentence post or link one article and watch the fireworks. It's too easy.

It's because some know that you "try to troll", so when someone sees a post you make about the Wii that isn't positive one bit, they automatically assume you're trying to bash it on purpose.


Look at the Zelda article you posted. Although some thought you were throwing hate on the Wii, others were like "cool, it's good to see that not everyone is over generous with their experience" or whatever.



So yeah...PS3 load times..woo.

[The Damned]

I've tried it. A lot of times. Read the whole Wii thread, I dunno. I've come up with some honest doubts or tried to spark discussions MANY times in that thread with no bad intent and literally been flamed for 5 or 6 pages, whether or not I respond.
Well, it's a little hard to take your comments seriously when the previous five posts you made were outright trolling. You can't just threw a pile of shit around and then carefully place a tiny nugget of gold in the middle.

Man, these analogy things are awesome.

It's rediculous. No discussion is possible, so I'm over it. Try it yourself. Say something that isn't 100% positive about the Wii in that thread. 20 people will jump on you, and some will outright insult you personally, often without any kind of counter argument. Why try to debate with these people? It's a waste of time. Now I get my revenge by typing out a 5 sentence post or link one article and watch the fireworks. It's too easy.
They only jump on you because... well, I covered it above. That's why. There are other posts with critical comments and articles, but they don't get flamed. Why? I wonder.

EDIT: Damn it, Bigfoot...

[Gollgagh]

That didn't look too bad.


Unless those cutscenes were also part of the loading time.

[Evilhead]

I've tried it. A lot of times. Read the whole Wii thread, I dunno. I've come up with some honest doubts or tried to spark discussions MANY times in that thread with no bad intent and literally been flamed for 5 or 6 pages, whether or not I respond.
Well, it's a little hard to take your comments seriously when the previous five posts you made were outright trolling. You can't just threw a pile of shit around and then carefully place a tiny nugget of gold in the middle.

Man, these analogy things are awesome.

Like I said, I don't give a fuck any more. I posted seriously in the previous Wii thread and this one but I've given up. Everything I do there now is to piss people off. It works. It's funny. Especially Kak. That guy sure gets worked up.

But this is way off topic...

[Bigfoot]

Ever think that because you openly troll (and you admit to doing so), that they don't want to have any kind of discussion with you? Think about it; you show up, you throw some rocks at people's heads, and then you sit there and try to discuss the geological formations of the region and it's advantages and disadvantages over other kinds of rocks.

I like where that analogy went. That was pretty good for on-the-spot. Also, Firefox's new spellcheck just suggested "anally" as a possible spelling of analogy.

Also, the fanboy comments don't exactly help either. If you think you're above that sort of thing, why don't you prove it somehow? Like, I don't know... not trolling and not automaticly dismissing everyone as a rabid fanboy.

Ignoring people who mud fling at you is possible. We promise!

Seriously though, some people have seen you needlessly troll in that thread and elsewhere, think "he's just an idiot troll" and treat you as such regardless of what you say. I'm not like that - I actually responded to your previous post with the link to the article. But some are and you immediately use that to call everyone in that thread a fanboy. Then the people who didn't think you were trolling get annoyed, and on and on...

NBA 07 load times take FOREVER on the PS3 (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/06/nba-07-load-times-take-forever-on-the-ps3/)


Yeah, so it looks like putting games on the hard drive is a must.

I think I counted like 27 or 28 seconds. I hope it isn't longer when actually starting a game.

Did you uh.. not pay attention to the video? The game said that it was going to load itself onto the HDD. That's actually really quick for loading onto the HDD, which I thought was a one-time load.

I must have missed it, because I thought all it said was "It needs to be installed", but I don't remember any installing. I only saw "loading" like it was loading the menu.


So it installs it without giving you a choice whether you want to or not?

EDIT: Damn it, Bigfoot...

what?

[The Damned]

You posted exactly what I was saying, but before I did. I believe the proper term for that is "jacked".

[Bigfoot]

Oh, haha. I thought I did something wrong.

Sorry, I'm super tired and doing last min studying, ugh.

[Bahamut]

Can't we live in one happy OCR family?

Edit: Here's a campout guide for the few OCRers looking to nab a PS3 (http://devron.wordpress.com/2006/09/24/playstation-3-and-nintendo-wii-launch-day-camp-out-guide/)

[Razumen]

For most consoles yes, But I read a lot about Sony saying the HD could be easily accessed, removed and replaced by the user with any standard 2.5in HD. I don't think they would support any issues cropping up with using bew drives, but I seriously doubt the warranty would be voided. They are after all touting it more as a computer than just a gamemachine.

I'll see if I can get any links to verify this.

It might be a simple task to replace the drive but there are lot of morons out there. How does Sony know if you spilled your Dr Pepper in there wile you were swapping the thing out? Basically if you open your machine for mods you are on your own if it breaks. Most of the time the warranty is pretty short anyway.

I'm pretty sure it'd be just like how memory cards are handled, pop a flap, pull out the old drive, slide a new one in. I may be wrong, but that's what I got from Sony's statements.

So if we replace our drive the warranty is voided? sounds like bull to me.

On another note I hope Resistance doesn't set a trend with regards to Mouse/Keyboard support in FPS game. Being able to use a M/K was a big deal for me when the PS3 announced it, and now Insomniac are saying they won't even support it for singleplayer because they're lazy asses and don't want to add in a higher difficulty for M/K users. :evil:

Keyboard & mouse is overrated.

Nay sir, for FPS there is no greater thing.
Why do you think the Resistance developers don't want it in their game? Because people who used it would wipe the floor with the other players, even if they had the same turning restrictions placed upon them.

It's called not developing something like carpal tunnel syndrome. Keyboard & mouse far more easily facilitate problems with the awkward hand positions encouraged by fast games like FPS. I like to play my games comfortably, thank-you-very-much.

You can get carpal tunnel syndrome just as easily from a gamepad as you can a mouse. Moot point.
As for 'awkward hand positions' You do know you can move more than just your wrist?

I call bullshit. Point me proof. Modern gamepads are designed with ergonomics in mind (i.e. the XBox 360 controller), so I highly doubt that that statement holds any water.

What I'm saying is I don't believe using either is likely to get you CTS, otherwise there'd likely be a lot more cases of it, and it probably wouldn't be a syndrome anymore;

"There is little clinical data to prove whether repetitive and forceful movements of the hand and wrist during work or leisure activities can cause carpal tunnel syndrome. Repeated motions performed in the course of normal work or other daily activities can result in repetitive motion disorders such as bursitis and tendonitis. Writer's cramp - a condition in which a lack of fine motor skill coordination and ache and pressure in the fingers, wrist, or forearm is brought on by repetitive activity - is not a symptom of carpal tunnel syndrome." (http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/carpal_tunnel/detail_carpal_tunnel.htm#69023049)

[KakTheInfected]

Keyboard and mouse > gamepad, except for fighters.

I dare God to give me carpal tunnel syndrome.

[Bahamut]

Keyboard and mouse > gamepad, except for fighters.

I dare God to give me carpal tunnel syndrome.

I had a lot of hand-eye coordination problems from playing Warcraft 3 too intensely (I have held #1 on several ladders on various times in US East during competitive times) - there are times the mouse and/or keyboard just feels awkward & unnatural. After that problem, I gradually started playing PC games less and less and started to regain some of it, but I still have some problems to this day - I'm not someone who was naturally like that either, being a highly competitive tennis player previously, where hand-eye coordination is paramount.

But again, this is an argument for elsewhere.

[The Mutericator]

It's rediculous.

http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=rediculous

This has been annoying the crap out of me for forever. Also: YOU EVIL PERSON YOU HATE NINTENDO WHAT ARE YOU AN AETHIEST DO YOU HATE GOD AND/OR MERIKA?

[Evilhead]

It's rediculous.

http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=rediculous

This has been annoying the crap out of me for forever. Also: YOU EVIL PERSON YOU HATE NINTENDO WHAT ARE YOU AN AETHIEST DO YOU HATE GOD AND/OR MERIKA?

Yes and yes.

[Bigfoot]

IGN's first PS3 game review: Genji (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/744/744611p1.html)

I guess this goes along the lines of saying "Graphics don't make a game". But aren't IGNs reviews usually pretty harsh anyway, so it's pretty rare that a game get's a high score? Or am I thinking of another site?

[The Author]

Usually IGN buys the hype for graphics...


Anyway, I have to ask:

Has anyone in this thread other than the nintendo fans concidered that the PS3 may fail?

[Zaid]

^ I truly to god hope that doesn't happen. This market competition has been great. If Nintendo reclaims the market, we will see some intense stagnation; same with Microsoft. I hope that they all survive in their own markets respectively.

[Nec5]

Usually IGN buys the hype for graphics...


Anyway, I have to ask:

Has anyone in this thread other than the nintendo fans concidered that the PS3 may fail?Yes. This is why I am not purchasing the systems for a while. I have no interest in the Wii or Xbox, so the failure of the PS3 will simply mean that I buy the occasional PC game (along with playing all the older games, which still provide plenty of entertainment)>

[Vivi_Rules_Pie]

As much as I want it to succede, Its not looking so strong right now. But it's impossible to make a prediction because there's so much hype surrounding both systems. There are countless examples of mindless Fanboys who wont hear anything but praise for their preffered system.

But whatever, I hope they are both successful for competative reasons.

[linkspast]

Usually IGN buys the hype for graphics...


Anyway, I have to ask:

Has anyone in this thread other than the nintendo fans concidered that the PS3 may fail?

What do you mean fail, cause the games are way too cool, and it is all about the games.

[Nec5]

Usually IGN buys the hype for graphics...


Anyway, I have to ask:

Has anyone in this thread other than the nintendo fans concidered that the PS3 may fail?

What do you mean fail, cause the games are way too cool, and it is all about the games.I assume he's talking about the N64 and Gamecube "failures". Neither had the best selection of games and both finished last in the console wars(well, behind the playstation anyway).

[linkspast]

Usually IGN buys the hype for graphics...


Anyway, I have to ask:

Has anyone in this thread other than the nintendo fans concidered that the PS3 may fail?

What do you mean fail, cause the games are way too cool, and it is all about the games.I assume he's talking about the N64 and Gamecube "failures". Neither had the best selection of games and both finished last in the console wars(well, behind the playstation anyway). well if you mean lose then it looks that way to me.

[The Author]

Usually IGN buys the hype for graphics...


Anyway, I have to ask:

Has anyone in this thread other than the nintendo fans concidered that the PS3 may fail?

What do you mean fail, cause the games are way too cool, and it is all about the games.I assume he's talking about the N64 and Gamecube "failures". Neither had the best selection of games and both finished last in the console wars(well, behind the playstation anyway).

I was talking Saturn level of failure... Or hell, 3DO. There is a possibility that the Wii is not all its hyped to be. There is the same possibility with the PS3. The way I see it, there is a lot running on these two consoles, and from here to december a lot will be played.

[Sir_NutS]

the ps3 will do fine. But not as well as the ps2 imho. The 360 has a very good marketshare already and the Wii is looking pretty good and with some luck it could do better than the gamecube. I really hope the ps3 don't fail, and I don't think it will but the price point is something to take in account and I think will hurt sales a bit.

With exclusive games like MGS4 in the horizon, how could this console fail?

[The Author]

the ps3 will do fine. But not as well as the ps2 imho.
[...]
With exclusive games like MGS4 in the horizon, how could this console fail?

I will take this as a no.

[darthseb]

Usually IGN buys the hype for graphics...


Anyway, I have to ask:

Has anyone in this thread other than the nintendo fans concidered that the PS3 may fail?

Oh, gosh, what was I gonna say?

...

Oh, yeah..

The Playstation 3 will retail for 599USD!

[Nec5]

Wow, youkai. You're talking about cataclysmal failure. I suspect the Wii has the biggest chance of failing. The gimmicky toy controller, Nintendo's emphasis on kiddy games, and the constant rerunning of old games for profit turned me off ( I only owned an N64 and Gamecube during the last two console races). That doesn't mean I represent the whole of consumers though.

You really think we'll know by Christmas time? I kind of think we won't even get a sense until a full year from the release date.

[SilverStar]

I want to see Sony and Nintendo switch positions, while MS remains in Sega's former spot. Let the Wii become the mega hit to cause developers to have to think in new ways, make the PS3 barely get any market share but have some strong games so they still manage to make some profit, then come the following generation, let's see what will really come of things. With off the shelf computer parts being super powerful for super cheap, the successor to the Wii could be at least as powerful as the PS3, plus have its own new things and plenty of developer support, Sony would be humbled and be a decent company again, with good hardware and good games, and MS could go flip off and do their own thing.

[JoeFu]

Wow, youkai. You're talking about cataclysmal failure. I suspect the Wii has the biggest chance of failing. The gimmicky toy controller, Nintendo's emphasis on kiddy games, and the constant rerunning of old games for profit turned me off ( I only owned an N64 and Gamecube during the last two console races). That doesn't mean I represent the whole of consumers though.

You really think we'll know by Christmas time? I kind of think we won't even get a sense until a full year from the release date.

I know this isn't the Wii thread, but have you played the Wii? I don't get how people call something gimmicky without even trying it. And the "kiddie" games argument is really dumb. A game for everyone does not equal a "kiddie" game. Kiddie games are games such as Barbie Horse Adventures.

Anyways, I don't think any of the consoles will fail. All three will succeed in some way. I don't think the PS3 can outsell the PS2 though. That would be crazy if it did. I think all will do fine and do well. There's too much fanbase for Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft for any of them to fail.

[Nec5]

I rely on Nintendo's past track record. The kiddy argument is accurate when you compare the types of games released for the N64/Gamecube versus the Playstation systems. Keep in mind that I rarely played any Playstation games, so I should be biased towards Nintendo. It is not a dumb argument; it relies on experience and prediction: two traits that are rarely found in these types of threads.

[Kiyosuki]

I'm just afraid now that if I don't get a PS3, some creepy, crying baby doll will eat me alive. 8O

[Bahamut]

I rely on Nintendo's past track record. The kiddy argument is accurate when you compare the types of games released for the N64/Gamecube versus the Playstation systems. Keep in mind that I rarely played any Playstation games, so I should be biased towards Nintendo. It is not a dumb argument; it relies on experience and prediction: two traits that are rarely found in these types of threads.

One could make the claim that Sony's consoles have a reputation for attracting games for the immature. However, let's not go towards that stupid route and keep this on topic.

[Nec5]

I rely on Nintendo's past track record. The kiddy argument is accurate when you compare the types of games released for the N64/Gamecube versus the Playstation systems. Keep in mind that I rarely played any Playstation games, so I should be biased towards Nintendo. It is not a dumb argument; it relies on experience and prediction: two traits that are rarely found in these types of threads.

One could make the claim that Sony's consoles have a reputation for attracting games for the immature. However, let's not go towards that stupid route and keep this on topic.I have been perfectly on topic. Kiddy games are immature. We won't know if the PS3 or Wii are successes until a full year from now...unless, of course, something absurd happens. The PS3 represents a dramatic step upward in technology; if the price wasn't so high it would probably take the field handedly.

[darthseb]

hay guys




The Playstation 3 will retail for five-hundred, ninety-nine US dollars.

Oh, forgive me, I'm too hard on that thar PS3.

Riiidge Racer!

[Sir_NutS]

I'm getting a ps3 in hopes that I will be able to play Shadow the Hedgehog 2.

[Nec5]

I keep reading mixed reports on the controllers. Will they be able to be plugged into the console? I have little need for wireless controllers, and the limitations of the battery life do not appeal to me. Some sites claim "yes", while others give conflicting info.

[Bigfoot]

Weren't the controllers plugged in during that even in NYC?

[Smoke]

I keep reading mixed reports on the controllers. Will they be able to be plugged into the console? I have little need for wireless controllers, and the limitations of the battery life do not appeal to me. Some sites claim "yes", while others give conflicting info.

Considering that there's a standard mini-USB port on top and the system has USB ports on board, I'd say yes.

How else would you be able to charge them anyway?

[Nec5]

I keep reading mixed reports on the controllers. Will they be able to be plugged into the console? I have little need for wireless controllers, and the limitations of the battery life do not appeal to me. Some sites claim "yes", while others give conflicting info.

Considering that there's a standard mini-USB port on top and the system has USB ports on board, I'd say yes.

How else would you be able to charge them anyway?I had thought some of the articles I read referred to a charger that was sold seperately. It would plug into a wall. I could very well be wrong (or the article or both :)).

[JoeFu]

I keep reading mixed reports on the controllers. Will they be able to be plugged into the console? I have little need for wireless controllers, and the limitations of the battery life do not appeal to me. Some sites claim "yes", while others give conflicting info.

Considering that there's a standard mini-USB port on top and the system has USB ports on board, I'd say yes.

How else would you be able to charge them anyway?I had thought some of the articles I read referred to a charger that was sold seperately. It would plug into a wall. I could very well be wrong (or the article or both :)).

You are really wrong and so is the article. You use a Mini-USB thing, like the one that you use on the PSP. It plugs into the PS3 to recharge.

[The Author]

Why do I say before christmas?

Well, in between January and april, it's pretty much a dead season.

[Nec5]

Why do I say before christmas?

Well, in between January and april, it's pretty much a dead season.Good point. That's always been a dry spell for games for as long as I can remember. I still think the price tag will be the deciding factor for the console's success.

[atmuh]

Kiddy games are immature.

NO!

[Bigfoot]

Who looks at ESRB ratings anyway when they buy games? If it's good, I'll get it.

[atmuh]

Who looks at ESRB ratings anyway when they buy games? If it's good, I'll get it.

YES!

[The Author]

Who looks at ESRB ratings anyway when they buy games? If it's good, I'll get it.

Idiots.

Seriously, some people think only M games can be entertaining,

[Bigfoot]

Sony is doing some things right. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/08/sony-is-doing-some-things-right/)

Apparently their online Playstation store will be a lot less confusing than Microsoft's point system, and playstation games will be $5.

[atmuh]

Today we got the price of a 1 year service contract for a PS3 at Game Crazy. It will cost $99.99 and two year plans will not be offered.

[Nat]

If Nintendo reclaims the market, we will see some intense stagnation; same with Microsoft.


How does this make sense exactly? Like sony being on top for 2 generations hasn't caused that?

[megadave]

Sony is doing some things right. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/08/sony-is-doing-some-things-right/)

Apparently their online Playstation store will be a lot less confusing than Microsoft's point system, and playstation games will be $5.

Not bad at all. By the way, does anyone remember that game (playstation 1 game) when you were a bunny rabbit and you jump around from a semi-third person view? It was really weird and there was a demo for it when the playstation first came out.

By the way, Lair looks fun.

[Evilhead]

^ Whoa, $5 for a PS1 game?? THAT'S the way you do a virtual console. Don't try to screw gamers out of their money like Nintendo is doing by charging too much for ROMs you can get anywhere for free. There are TONS of great PS1 games I'd be willing to to pay at least $5 for. Just another reason to get the 60 gig model...


And Megadave, you are thinking of Jumping Flash (and Jumping Flash 2), which are great games. There really haven't been too many games like it since. Trippy assed 1st person platformer with weird environments and the ability to jump miles into the sky. I still play my copy from time to time.



To answer Yokai's question, no, I don't think it will fail miserably. There is a chance the Wii or 360 will give it good competition, which is the best for everyone. I hope all three systems do well so the companies actually have to try to sell their games to people. But 3D0 or Saturn-level failure (well, Saturn in the States anyway) is impossible. The 3D0 was graphically advanced and expensive like the PS3, but it had almost NO software support. Go look up some list of 3D0 games. There's nothing on there. The Saturn died because of it's limited 3D abilities. There are TONS of great Saturn games out there, but at the time people where whores for the then impressive PS1 3D cababilities. When I go back and play both systems now, I have to say the Saturn was pretty damn solid. And had a great library, at least in Japan. But that's the American public for you.

Anyway, with the amount of software support, jaw-dropping graphics, and brand-loyalty Sony's got going, there's no way the PS3 will fail. Just watch some of the videos and say you don't want to at least try the damn thing.

[megadave]

Jumping flash! That's the one. Thanks.

[Kitsuta]

Anyway, with the amount of software support, jaw-dropping graphics, and brand-loyalty Sony's got going, there's no way the PS3 will fail. Just watch some of the videos and say you don't want to at least try the damn thing.

I've watched them. They would be nice for me to watch other people play them.

And I NEVER want to watch other people play games. I'd always rather be doing it myself. My hate for the PS2 "dual shock" controller shape is massive. Seriously, it hurts my hand after a while, and I always get the buttons confused and have to look down AT the controller to see what button to push. I shouldn't have to do that.

Eh, it took me a long time to get used to the SNES game controller, too. I just don't like having similar sized buttons in rows like that, I guess. :?

[JoeFu]

^ Whoa, $5 for a PS1 game?? THAT'S the way you do a virtual console. Don't try to screw gamers out of their money like Nintendo is doing by charging too much for ROMs you can get anywhere for free. There are TONS of great PS1 games I'd be willing to to pay at least $5 for. Just another reason to get the 60 gig model...

ISOS??!?! WHAT? There are things called ps1 isos?

[Gollgagh]

^ Whoa, $5 for a PS1 game?? THAT'S the way you do a virtual console. Don't try to screw gamers out of their money like Nintendo is doing by charging too much for ROMs you can get anywhere for free. There are TONS of great PS1 games I'd be willing to to pay at least $5 for. Just another reason to get the 60 gig model...

ISOS??!?! WHAT? There are things called ps1 isos?

Those can be incredibly hard to find for size reasons.

Just try finding a non-clone Jet Moto 1,2, or 3.

[linkspast]

$5 for a ps1, thats about what they cost now. will this cover all games, or will they make rare games cost more.

[Bahamut]

If Nintendo reclaims the market, we will see some intense stagnation; same with Microsoft.


How does this make sense exactly? Like sony being on top for 2 generations hasn't caused that?

Yeah, Sony has stagnated the market a lot more than Nintendo has ever done. Developers have been decrying Sony for a while for difficulty worse than Nintendo currently has been doing (http://www.gametab.com/news/733163/). It's like Sony forgot why developers started supporting them in the first place.

[atmuh]

I still say that's a pretty high price for a service contract...and you're pretty much an idiot if you don't buy one.

[Kitsuta]

If Nintendo reclaims the market, we will see some intense stagnation; same with Microsoft.


How does this make sense exactly? Like sony being on top for 2 generations hasn't caused that?

Yeah, Sony has stagnated the market a lot more than Nintendo has ever done. Developers have been decrying Sony for a while for difficulty worse than Nintendo currently has been doing (http://www.gametab.com/news/733163/). It's like Sony forgot why developers started supporting them in the first place.

And that was, oddly enough, the exact same reason developers started leaving Nintendo for Sony.

[linkspast]

Today we got the price of a 1 year service contract for a PS3 at Game Crazy. It will cost $99.99 and two year plans will not be offered.

Why are these so expensive. you would think that when spending 600 on a system that it is going to work, what is so special about these that make them worth the money. I never buy them, and never need them.

[atmuh]

Today we got the price of a 1 year service contract for a PS3 at Game Crazy. It will cost $99.99 and two year plans will not be offered.

Why are these so expensive. you would think that when spending 600 on a system that it is going to work, what is so special about these that make them worth the money. I never buy them, and never need them.

Well...a heck of a lot of 360's (we got 3 last week alone) have been coming back lately, and I would think that spending $40 on a service contract is better than spending $170 on a repair. I could only imagine what Sony'd charge for a repair...

[The Author]

Today we got the price of a 1 year service contract for a PS3 at Game Crazy. It will cost $99.99 and two year plans will not be offered.

Why are these so expensive. you would think that when spending 600 on a system that it is going to work, what is so special about these that make them worth the money. I never buy them, and never need them.

Well...a heck of a lot of 360's (we got 3 last week alone) have been coming back lately, and I would think that spending $40 on a service contract is better than spending $170 on a repair. I could only imagine what Sony'd charge for a repair...

700$.

[linkspast]

Today we got the price of a 1 year service contract for a PS3 at Game Crazy. It will cost $99.99 and two year plans will not be offered.

Why are these so expensive. you would think that when spending 600 on a system that it is going to work, what is so special about these that make them worth the money. I never buy them, and never need them.

Well...a heck of a lot of 360's (we got 3 last week alone) have been coming back lately, and I would think that spending $40 on a service contract is better than spending $170 on a repair. I could only imagine what Sony'd charge for a repair...

I understand that... but I would think that it should not have problems.... but thats why I wont buy a ps3 for a bit. It seams like it takes a few versions of the system to get all the bugs out.

[atmuh]

but I would think that it should not have problems....

Well then you need to wake up.

[Evilhead]

^^^ If it's under warranty, wouldn't it be free for repairs?


Service plans are for suckers. They always try to get you to buy one at Best Buy, and it's so annoying. "I'm not getting a commission on this, I swear!" Yeah right. You might as well spend that money on two new games and punch the CSR in the nuts for trying to rob you of your cash.


^ Whoa, $5 for a PS1 game?? THAT'S the way you do a virtual console. Don't try to screw gamers out of their money like Nintendo is doing by charging too much for ROMs you can get anywhere for free. There are TONS of great PS1 games I'd be willing to to pay at least $5 for. Just another reason to get the 60 gig model...

ISOS??!?! WHAT? There are things called ps1 isos?

Those can be incredibly hard to find for size reasons.

Just try finding a non-clone Jet Moto 1,2, or 3.

Exactly. I can download any game for old systems instantly on any computer. A 64k ROM isn't hard to find, even if it's something rare. But getting a 600meg ISO for an obscure PS1 game is can very difficult. Even if you get the ISO, it's hard to play burned PS1 games on even a modded PS2, and PC emulation is not 100%. $5 is a deal.

[JoeFu]

^ If it's under warranty, wouldn't it be free?


Service plans are for suckers. They always try to get you to buy one at Best Buy, and it's so annoying. "I'm not getting a commission on this, I swear!" Yeah right. You might as well spend that money on two new games and punch the CSR in the nuts for trying to rob you of your cash.


^ Whoa, $5 for a PS1 game?? THAT'S the way you do a virtual console. Don't try to screw gamers out of their money like Nintendo is doing by charging too much for ROMs you can get anywhere for free. There are TONS of great PS1 games I'd be willing to to pay at least $5 for. Just another reason to get the 60 gig model...

ISOS??!?! WHAT? There are things called ps1 isos?

Those can be incredibly hard to find for size reasons.

Just try finding a non-clone Jet Moto 1,2, or 3.

Exactly. I can download any game for old systems instantly on any computer. A 64k ROM isn't hard to find, even if it's something rare. But getting a 600meg ISO for an obscure PS1 game is can very difficult. Even if you get the ISO, it's hard to play burned PS1 games on even a modded PS2, and PC emulation is not 100%. $5 is a deal.

So... point is I can still download for free. My computer that sucks can play PS1 iso's perfectly. The PS1 emulator works better than the N64 one for me.

[Bigfoot]

^^^ If it's under warranty, wouldn't it be free for repairs?


Service plans are for suckers. They always try to get you to buy one at Best Buy, and it's so annoying. "I'm not getting a commission on this, I swear!" Yeah right. You might as well spend that money on two new games and punch the CSR in the nuts for trying to rob you of your cash.


^ Whoa, $5 for a PS1 game?? THAT'S the way you do a virtual console. Don't try to screw gamers out of their money like Nintendo is doing by charging too much for ROMs you can get anywhere for free. There are TONS of great PS1 games I'd be willing to to pay at least $5 for. Just another reason to get the 60 gig model...

ISOS??!?! WHAT? There are things called ps1 isos?

Those can be incredibly hard to find for size reasons.

Just try finding a non-clone Jet Moto 1,2, or 3.

Exactly. I can download any game for old systems instantly on any computer. A 64k ROM isn't hard to find, even if it's something rare. But getting a 600meg ISO for an obscure PS1 game is can very difficult. Even if you get the ISO, it's hard to play burned PS1 games on even a modded PS2, and PC emulation is not 100%. $5 is a deal.


They don't make commission. And the service plans suck, yes, but the replacement plans are definitely worth it. I know this from going through my DS Lite episode.

[atmuh]

^ If it's under warranty, wouldn't it be free?


Service plans are for suckers. They always try to get you to buy one at Best Buy, and it's so annoying. "I'm not getting a commission on this, I swear!" Yeah right. You might as well spend that money on two new games and punch the CSR in the nuts for trying to rob you of your cash.

With most systems I'd agree with you. But after the 360 I would say you're 100% wrong about it being bad for PS3. Sure they get commission, but that doesn't mean it's a bad deal. I can't see Sony giving more than 90 days warrantee for the PS3 (and if they give a year then they're gonna have a problem...) so yea once again you're an idiot if you don't buy the service plan for the PS3.

EDIT: so best buy dudes don't get commission, but we do at Game Crazy.

[Bahamut]

^ If it's under warranty, wouldn't it be free?


Service plans are for suckers. They always try to get you to buy one at Best Buy, and it's so annoying. "I'm not getting a commission on this, I swear!" Yeah right. You might as well spend that money on two new games and punch the CSR in the nuts for trying to rob you of your cash.

With most systems I'd agree with you. But after the 360 I would say you're 100% wrong about it being bad for PS3. Sure they get commission, but that doesn't mean it's a bad deal. I can't see Sony giving more than 90 days warrantee for the PS3 (and if they give a year then they're gonna have a problem...) so yea once again you're an idiot if you don't buy the service plan for the PS3.

EDIT: so best buy dudes don't get commission, but we do at Game Crazy.

Unless you plan on selling it.

[Evilhead]

^ If it's under warranty, wouldn't it be free?


Service plans are for suckers. They always try to get you to buy one at Best Buy, and it's so annoying. "I'm not getting a commission on this, I swear!" Yeah right. You might as well spend that money on two new games and punch the CSR in the nuts for trying to rob you of your cash.


^ Whoa, $5 for a PS1 game?? THAT'S the way you do a virtual console. Don't try to screw gamers out of their money like Nintendo is doing by charging too much for ROMs you can get anywhere for free. There are TONS of great PS1 games I'd be willing to to pay at least $5 for. Just another reason to get the 60 gig model...

ISOS??!?! WHAT? There are things called ps1 isos?

Those can be incredibly hard to find for size reasons.

Just try finding a non-clone Jet Moto 1,2, or 3.

Exactly. I can download any game for old systems instantly on any computer. A 64k ROM isn't hard to find, even if it's something rare. But getting a 600meg ISO for an obscure PS1 game is can very difficult. Even if you get the ISO, it's hard to play burned PS1 games on even a modded PS2, and PC emulation is not 100%. $5 is a deal.

So... point is I can still download for free. My computer that sucks can play PS1 iso's perfectly. The PS1 emulator works better than the N64 one for me.

Yeah, I understand your point of view. I think the Wii's virtual arcade is pretty dumb too. I doubt I would buy more than one or two PS1 games anyway, since I already own all the PS1 games I like, but all I'm saying is that's a good deal for the games. For the same price as a 32k NES ROM you can get a 600 meg PS1 game that was released not too long ago. Not a bad deal at all. And can you find ANY PS1 game ever on BitTorrent? It's so easy to get complete ROM sets of any 8-bit ot 16-bit system, even for the N64, but it's much harder to find ISOs of PS1 games, especially if you are looking for something that's not too popular.

[Kitsuta]

Today we got the price of a 1 year service contract for a PS3 at Game Crazy. It will cost $99.99 and two year plans will not be offered.

Why are these so expensive. you would think that when spending 600 on a system that it is going to work, what is so special about these that make them worth the money. I never buy them, and never need them.

The reason they are expensive is because the parts are expensive. They charge you that much because they might have to replace a part worth over twice that amount in the future.

It's pretty much a gamble, on their part and yours. You're betting that your stuff will need to be serviced, they are betting that it won't. It depends on how reliable you think Sony's hardware is.

Evilhead: Having worked at Best Buy, I can tell you that we don't work on commission, ever. Besides the fact that we are pressured to make the numbers, which I'm pretty sure most retail employees are, there isn't any reason for us to sell you that shit unless it's for your benefit.

And I've had many a time where I've had to tell someone a repair costs half(or more) of what they initially paid for. Once a guy had to throw away a three month old TV because it was surged, and the repair would have been about 3/4s the cost of the TV(MFW almost never covers surges). We could have repaired it for him for free if he had spent $30 on a service plan.

[JoeFu]

But it's easier to play PS1 games on the computer, not so much for the N64. I can't find a good configuration for the N64. But whatever. I do want a few 64 games for the Wii, such as Paper Mario because I never played that before.

Anyways, I really do wish Nintendo made their pricing point a little less. Oh well.

[Evilhead]

Today we got the price of a 1 year service contract for a PS3 at Game Crazy. It will cost $99.99 and two year plans will not be offered.

Why are these so expensive. you would think that when spending 600 on a system that it is going to work, what is so special about these that make them worth the money. I never buy them, and never need them.

The reason they are expensive is because the parts are expensive. They charge you that much because they might have to replace a part worth over twice that amount in the future.

It's pretty much a gamble, on their part and yours. You're betting that your stuff will need to be serviced, they are betting that it won't. It depends on how reliable you think Sony's hardware is.

Evilhead: Having worked at Best Buy, I can tell you that we don't work on commission, ever. Besides the fact that we are pressured to make the numbers, which I'm pretty sure most retail employees are, there isn't any reason for us to sell you that shit unless it's for your benefit.

And I've had many a time where I've had to tell someone a repair costs half(or more) of what they initially paid for. Once a guy had to throw away a three month old TV because it was surged, and the repair would have been about 3/4s the cost of the TV(MFW almost never covers surges). We could have repaired it for him for free if he had spent $30 on a service plan.

But it just doesn't pan out in the long run. I've bought a LOT of electronics in my life, and I've never had a problem with any of them aside from my iPod which was under warranty. If I payed for service plans for all of these products, I'd literally be out thousands of dollars for absolutely nothing. And most plans are only for a year or so anyway. Most stuff breaks much further down the line. For instance, my lappy's HD died recently. Had I bought the $250 service plan from Best Buy, I'd STILL have to buy and replace the HD myself because the plan would be up by now. It's just a big scam. If you have shitty hardware, it will tend to fail pretty quickly. If it fails years down the line, you're probably in the market for a new version of whatever it is you bought.

[Bigfoot]

^ If it's under warranty, wouldn't it be free?


Service plans are for suckers. They always try to get you to buy one at Best Buy, and it's so annoying. "I'm not getting a commission on this, I swear!" Yeah right. You might as well spend that money on two new games and punch the CSR in the nuts for trying to rob you of your cash.


^ Whoa, $5 for a PS1 game?? THAT'S the way you do a virtual console. Don't try to screw gamers out of their money like Nintendo is doing by charging too much for ROMs you can get anywhere for free. There are TONS of great PS1 games I'd be willing to to pay at least $5 for. Just another reason to get the 60 gig model...

ISOS??!?! WHAT? There are things called ps1 isos?

Those can be incredibly hard to find for size reasons.

Just try finding a non-clone Jet Moto 1,2, or 3.

Exactly. I can download any game for old systems instantly on any computer. A 64k ROM isn't hard to find, even if it's something rare. But getting a 600meg ISO for an obscure PS1 game is can very difficult. Even if you get the ISO, it's hard to play burned PS1 games on even a modded PS2, and PC emulation is not 100%. $5 is a deal.

So... point is I can still download for free. My computer that sucks can play PS1 iso's perfectly. The PS1 emulator works better than the N64 one for me.

Yeah, I understand your point of view. I think the Wii's virtual arcade is pretty dumb too. I doubt I would buy more than one or two PS1 games anyway, since I already own all the PS1 games I like, but all I'm saying is that's a good deal for the games. For the same price as a 32k NES ROM you can get a 600 meg PS1 game that was released not too long ago. Not a bad deal at all. And can you find ANY PS1 game ever on BitTorrent? It's so easy to get complete ROM sets of any 8-bit ot 16-bit system, even for the N64, but it's much harder to find ISOs of PS1 games, especially if you are looking for something that's not too popular.


It's so easy....for the "hardcore" type gamer.


Go up to your "Average consumer" and tell them to go download an emulator and some ROMs and let them try and figure it out. They'll probably be like...huh? What's a ROM?

Or better yet, since Nintendo is trying to target all types of people, say your parents are purchasing Mario Bros. from the NES because they played it back in the day. They haven't played a game since the SNES, you go up to them and say "Why are you wasting money on buying NES games, go download the ROM." "What is that?"

[Bahamut]

But it's easier to play PS1 games on the computer, not so much for the N64. I can't find a good configuration for the N64. But whatever. I do want a few 64 games for the Wii, such as Paper Mario because I never played that before.

Anyways, I really do wish Nintendo made their pricing point a little less. Oh well.

Nintendo is notorious for milking people the most for their money. I thought this thread was a PS3 thread though. Complaining about the Virtual Console is pretty silly in this thread and in general. The whole premise of the online distribution of games is that it's their first offerings for downloading many of them legally. They have every right do make these offerings and they aren't wrong in any way decrying the ROMs and ISOs and such.

[SilverStar]

^ Whoa, $5 for a PS1 game?? THAT'S the way you do a virtual console. Don't try to screw gamers out of their money like Nintendo is doing by charging too much for ROMs you can get anywhere for free. There are TONS of great PS1 games I'd be willing to to pay at least $5 for. Just another reason to get the 60 gig model...

ISOS??!?! WHAT? There are things called ps1 isos?

Those can be incredibly hard to find for size reasons.

Just try finding a non-clone Jet Moto 1,2, or 3.

Found. All 3. In non-clone CD versions. Why wouldn't you want CCD though? You'd just be playing it in an emulator anyway. Just load it into daemon tools if you need to rip it in some other way and convert.

Yeah, in the day of very affordable 250GB HDDs and ever-increasing highspeed internet, it's so much harder to get ISOs of your favorite PSX games, isn't it? Really, 5 bucks for one of those games is SOOOO much better than 5 bucks for a game for a DIFFERENT system, isn't it?

:roll:

[atmuh]

It all comes down to this:

People will buy them, so what's the difference. Nintendo has a bigger library and (in my opinion) better games but costs a bit more. Honestly so what. Go cry about it. Are you gonna spend $600 on a PS3 so you can spend $5 on some PS1 games? I you do then I feel for you....

[Evilhead]

^ No, it's just shows how greedy Nintendo is for charging $15 for a N64 ROM.


It's so easy....for the "hardcore" type gamer.


Go up to your "Average consumer" and tell them to go download an emulator and some ROMs and let them try and figure it out. They'll probably be like...huh? What's a ROM?

Or better yet, since Nintendo is trying to target all types of people, say your parents are purchasing Mario Bros. from the NES because they played it back in the day. They haven't played a game since the SNES, you go up to them and say "Why are you wasting money on buying NES games, go download the ROM." "What is that?"


Yes, which is why I laugh at the people who are excited about the Wii's virtual arcade. Why not just emulate on another console for free? But if Sony has a decent catalog of PS1 games, I'd say it would be worth it for a $5 download, even as a hardcore emulation fanatic/software pirate such as myself. I hate PS1 emulation for performance reasons (even if you get a emu working well most games have their glitches) and tracking down a ISO, burning it, and getting it to play on a PS2 is difficult to do. You have to buy these special discs to get a modded PS2 to play burned PS1 games. So instead of worrying about all that it would be nice just to click once, and have whatever game downloaded and ready to play at any time on the PS3 harddrive. Wouldn't download a lot, but it's a nice service for $5. Whereas downloading an NES ROM for $5 is just a ripoff, plain and simple. For the non emulation inclined it's good, but even the slowest of PCs can emulate the NES perfectly, not to mention a non-modded PS1, Dreamcast, etc.

[Bigfoot]

It's so easy....for the "hardcore" type gamer.


Go up to your "Average consumer" and tell them to go download an emulator and some ROMs and let them try and figure it out. They'll probably be like...huh? What's a ROM?

Or better yet, since Nintendo is trying to target all types of people, say your parents are purchasing Mario Bros. from the NES because they played it back in the day. They haven't played a game since the SNES, you go up to them and say "Why are you wasting money on buying NES games, go download the ROM." "What is that?"


Yes, which is why I laugh at the people who are excited about the Wii's virtual arcade. Why not just emulate on another console for free? But if Sony has a decent catalog of PS1 games, I'd say it would be worth it for a $5 download, even as a hardcore emulation fanatic/software pirate such as myself. I hate PS1 emulation for performance reasons (even if you get a emu working well most games have their glitches) and tracking down a ISO, burning it, and getting it to play on a PS2 is difficult to do. You have to buy these special discs to get a modded PS2 to play burned PS1 games. So instead of worrying about all that it would be nice just to click once, and have whatever game downloaded and ready to play at any time on the PS3 harddrive. Wouldn't download a lot, but it's a nice service for $5. Whereas downloading an NES ROM for $5 is just a ripoff, plain and simple. For the non emulation inclined it's good, but even the slowest of PCs can emulate the NES perfectly.


I don't see what the big deal is then. You think it's a rip-off, then don't buy into it. I'll buy my favorite games that I don't have already and be happy.



In other news, let the camping begin. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/08/the-best-buy-camp-out-to-ps3-begins/)

[atmuh]

^ No, it's just shows how greedy Nintendo is for charging $15 for a N64 ROM.

$10

and sony is charging $600 for a console

[Kitsuta]

The reason they are expensive is because the parts are expensive. They charge you that much because they might have to replace a part worth over twice that amount in the future.

It's pretty much a gamble, on their part and yours. You're betting that your stuff will need to be serviced, they are betting that it won't. It depends on how reliable you think Sony's hardware is.

Evilhead: Having worked at Best Buy, I can tell you that we don't work on commission, ever. Besides the fact that we are pressured to make the numbers, which I'm pretty sure most retail employees are, there isn't any reason for us to sell you that shit unless it's for your benefit.

And I've had many a time where I've had to tell someone a repair costs half(or more) of what they initially paid for. Once a guy had to throw away a three month old TV because it was surged, and the repair would have been about 3/4s the cost of the TV(MFW almost never covers surges). We could have repaired it for him for free if he had spent $30 on a service plan.

But it just doesn't pan out in the long run. I've bought a LOT of electronics in my life, and I've never had a problem with any of them aside from my iPod which was under warranty. If I payed for service plans for all of these products, I'd literally be out thousands of dollars for absolutely nothing. And most plans are only for a year or so anyway. Most stuff breaks much further down the line. For instance, my lappy's HD died recently. Had I bought the $250 service plan from Best Buy, I'd STILL have to buy and replace the HD myself because the plan would be up by now. It's just a big scam. If you have shitty hardware, it will tend to fail pretty quickly. If it fails years down the line, you're probably in the market for a new version of whatever it is you bought.

It's definitely not a good idea to buy a service plan for everything. A lot of things just don't break quickly enough, so there's not a lot of point in it.

I wouldn't say it's a big scam, but it's certainly a much better bet for people who don't treat their stuff nicely. If you're good to your computers and you know basic hardware replacement, then you're not really gonna need anything like that - I wouldn't ever think of buying a service plan for my computer, but I'd buy one for a new camera that I know will be dropped a bunch. It's a lot like health insurance - if you're a smoker or a moron, you're going to benefit more than if you exercise and eat right.*

You have one expensive laptop, by the way. :lol:

*Also known as adverse selection.

[The Author]

^ No, it's just shows how greedy Nintendo is for charging $15 for a N64 ROM.

$10

and sony is charging $600 for a console

Not only that, the PS3 is naturally compatible with the PS1 software, the Wii is not naturally compatible with all these consoles, the whole thing is a lot different.

[Bahamut]

Fuck Nintendo, this thread isn't about Nintendo.

[Kitsuta]

Fuck Nintendo, this thread isn't about Nintendo.

He can't troll in the Wii thread without getting flamed to bits, so he does it here instead. ;)

Sorry Evilhead, couldn't resist.

Youkai: PS3 compatible with PS1 software? That's kinda reaching. Do you have any reasoning or source to back this up?

[atmuh]

Fuck Nintendo, this thread isn't about Nintendo.

He can't troll in the Wii thread without getting flamed to bits, so he does it here instead. ;)

Sorry Evilhead, couldn't resist.

Youkai: PS3 compatible with PS1 software? That's kinda reaching. Do you have any reasoning or source to back this up?

Dude we've know that since E3. It's been confirmed for a loooooooooooooong time.

[JoeFu]

Fuck Nintendo, this thread isn't about Nintendo.

He can't troll in the Wii thread without getting flamed to bits, so he does it here instead. ;)

Sorry Evilhead, couldn't resist.

Youkai: PS3 compatible with PS1 software? That's kinda reaching. Do you have any reasoning or source to back this up?

Because PS3 is backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2?

Look how monstrous the system is. They have like all things needed to play both playstations in it.

[SilverStar]

Fuck Nintendo, this thread isn't about Nintendo.

He can't troll in the Wii thread without getting flamed to bits, so he does it here instead. ;)

Sorry Evilhead, couldn't resist.

Youkai: PS3 compatible with PS1 software? That's kinda reaching. Do you have any reasoning or source to back this up?

Because PS3 is backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2?

Look how monstrous the system is. They have like all things needed to play both playstations in it.

Worse than that. The PS3, quite literally, has a PS2 BUILT IN. So if you already own a PS2 that works just fine, you're being ripped off that cash by being forced to re-purchase your PS2 all over again.

And I'm sure if one goes, they both do. So if the PS3 blows, the PS2 is useless. If the PS2 blows, the PS3 is useless. Kinda surprised Evilhead hasn't ripped about that yet, since he just -loves- to bitch about being "forced" to buy the same thing over and over.

And for the PS3 download service that lets you get PS1 games for 5 bucks? I can go hit up any of 30 large pawnshops and get the games for 2-3 bucks. 5 for the harder to find games like SaGa Frontier. I know a place that pays $1 per PS1 game, then turns around and sells them in the bargain bin, 5 for 20 bucks. And that's in Canadian funds.

Either way you cut it, Sony's just out to rip people off with this service. If you can play the originals on the same hardware, and you can find them for cheaper, why would you bother with what limited selection they'd offer, for more?

[Gollgagh]

Fuck Nintendo, this thread isn't about Nintendo.

He can't troll in the Wii thread without getting flamed to bits, so he does it here instead. ;)

Sorry Evilhead, couldn't resist.

Youkai: PS3 compatible with PS1 software? That's kinda reaching. Do you have any reasoning or source to back this up?

Because PS3 is backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2?

Look how monstrous the system is. They have like all things needed to play both playstations in it.

Worse than that. The PS3, quite literally, has a PS2 BUILT IN. So if you already own a PS2 that works just fine, you're being ripped off that cash by being forced to re-purchase your PS2 all over again.

And I'm sure if one goes, they both do. So if the PS3 blows, the PS2 is useless. If the PS2 blows, the PS3 is useless. Kinda surprised Evilhead hasn't ripped about that yet, since he just -loves- to bitch about being "forced" to buy the same thing over and over.

And for the PS3 download service that lets you get PS1 games for 5 bucks? I can go hit up any of 30 large pawnshops and get the games for 2-3 bucks. 5 for the harder to find games like SaGa Frontier. I know a place that pays $1 per PS1 game, then turns around and sells them in the bargain bin, 5 for 20 bucks. And that's in Canadian funds.

Either way you cut it, Sony's just out to rip people off with this service. If you can play the originals on the same hardware, and you can find them for cheaper, why would you bother with what limited selection they'd offer, for more?


You can't fucking find them anywhere around here.

[PriZm]

Whoa. Everyone in the gaming industry is there to MAKE MONEY. If they offer a service you don't want, like PS1 games for 5$ or NES games for 5$, and you have to option to not buy it, then don't.

Buying is like voting.

[SilverStar]

Whoa. Everyone in the gaming industry is there to MAKE MONEY. If they offer a service you don't want, like PS1 games for 5$ or NES games for 5$, and you have to option to not buy it, then don't.

Buying is like voting.
Evilhead doesn't understand this. He thinks [insert company] is forcing its consumers to purchase shit they don't want.

[The Damned]

Guys, I like bugging Evilhead as much as the next guy, but jesus fucking christ, would you stop bringing up Wii stuff into the PS3 thread? You don't like it when people bring PS3 stuff into the Wii therad, right?

Same shit, different title...

[atmuh]

Guys, I like bugging Evilhead as much as the next guy, but jesus fucking christ, would you stop bringing up Wii stuff into the PS3 thread? You don't like it when people bring PS3 stuff into the Wii therad, right?

Same shit, different title...

OK

On topic: The new cases for the games are weird. Not bad, just weird.

[Razumen]

Fuck Nintendo, this thread isn't about Nintendo.

He can't troll in the Wii thread without getting flamed to bits, so he does it here instead. ;)

Sorry Evilhead, couldn't resist.

Youkai: PS3 compatible with PS1 software? That's kinda reaching. Do you have any reasoning or source to back this up?

Because PS3 is backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2?

Look how monstrous the system is. They have like all things needed to play both playstations in it.

Worse than that. The PS3, quite literally, has a PS2 BUILT IN. So if you already own a PS2 that works just fine, you're being ripped off that cash by being forced to re-purchase your PS2 all over again.

And I'm sure if one goes, they both do. So if the PS3 blows, the PS2 is useless. If the PS2 blows, the PS3 is useless. Kinda surprised Evilhead hasn't ripped about that yet, since he just -loves- to bitch about being "forced" to buy the same thing over and over.

And for the PS3 download service that lets you get PS1 games for 5 bucks? I can go hit up any of 30 large pawnshops and get the games for 2-3 bucks. 5 for the harder to find games like SaGa Frontier. I know a place that pays $1 per PS1 game, then turns around and sells them in the bargain bin, 5 for 20 bucks. And that's in Canadian funds.

Either way you cut it, Sony's just out to rip people off with this service. If you can play the originals on the same hardware, and you can find them for cheaper, why would you bother with what limited selection they'd offer, for more?
I'm sure including a couple chips for a 8 year old piece of hardware really drove up the price of the PS3 :roll:
Seriously, I'm glad Sony didn't drop the ball on backwards compatibility, even if they're not enhancing the older titles in any way, it'll be leaps and bounds beyond the shit support MS offers.

Other than that I'm interested in what people manage to do with the included OS and stuff, its outrageous pricepoint might yet be justified.

[SilverStar]

I wonder how long until someone compiles Gentoo to run on the PS3 and they begin full reverse engineering of the entire affair, including all the copy protection measures, and create their own backup tools.

And how long until Sony decides to patch out the firmware to prevent people from doing that, just like they did with the PSP.

Remember: The PS3OS is a derivative of Linux or Debian or something like that. It's open. People are going to crack every last bit of the PS3's protection measures, right down to the last bit of protecting the BD-ROM, and open the system wide open to piracy, both game and movie.

[Bigfoot]

Guys, I like bugging Evilhead as much as the next guy, but jesus fucking christ, would you stop bringing up Wii stuff into the PS3 thread? You don't like it when people bring PS3 stuff into the Wii therad, right?

Same shit, different title...

Well, he started it by saying Nintendo screw's people out of their money with games from the VC :P

[Evilhead]

Guys, I like bugging Evilhead as much as the next guy, but jesus fucking christ, would you stop bringing up Wii stuff into the PS3 thread? You don't like it when people bring PS3 stuff into the Wii therad, right?

Same shit, different title...

Well, he started it by saying Nintendo screw's people out of their money with games from the VC :P

I just don't see why you'd pay $20 for four NES games when you can buy a Dreamcast for $20, burn a CD with 400+ NES games on it and play it on your TV just the same, not to mention having one of the best consoles ever made. But like you guys said it's your money!

Anyway, sorry for starting some dumb console war type thread. I'll try to avoid it. Although it seems this is the only way this thread gets any replies.


Trying to get this back on topic, here's a shot of a PS3 game case:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/case-shot-of-ps3s-sonic-the-hedgehog-201176.php

And yeah, I agree it's kind of weird. What's with the blue bar on the top? I liked having games in DVD cases. That way my game collection looks nice and uniform and they fit nicely on a shelf with Xbox and Gamecube games along with DVDs. I wonder of the Japanese cases will be any different. We always get better packaging over here (like for GBA and GC games).

[watkinzez]

Trying to get this back on topic, here's a shot of a PS3 game case:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/case-shot-of-ps3s-sonic-the-hedgehog-201176.php

The only case I have that even closely resembles that is the tin that Serenity came in, and even then a normal DVD case was inside. That won't stick out further when put on a shelf with normal games/DVDs, will it?

[Evilhead]

Trying to get this back on topic, here's a shot of a PS3 game case:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/case-shot-of-ps3s-sonic-the-hedgehog-201176.php

The only case I have that even closely resembles that is the tin that Serenity came in, and even then a normal DVD case was inside. That won't stick out further when put on a shelf with normal games/DVDs, will it?

I hope not... It looks kind of squat so maybe it's the same height as a regular DVD case. There is enough wasted space in regular DVD cases as it is that I sure hope they don't make them bigger. I guess the blue part is supposed to indicate it's a Blu-Ray game, but if there are DVD games for the PS3 will they be in regular cases? It would suck to have more than one type of case. I'm totally into having my games looking neat on a shelf.

[Razumen]

Guys, I like bugging Evilhead as much as the next guy, but jesus fucking christ, would you stop bringing up Wii stuff into the PS3 thread? You don't like it when people bring PS3 stuff into the Wii therad, right?

Same shit, different title...

Well, he started it by saying Nintendo screw's people out of their money with games from the VC :P

I just don't see why you'd pay $20 for four NES games when you can buy a Dreamcast for $20, burn a CD with 400+ NES games on it and play it on your TV just the same, not to mention having one of the best consoles ever made. But like you guys said it's your money!
Sorry Evilhead but suggesting piracy is not a valid, much less legal, argument against either Nintendo's or Sony's plan to sell older titles online through their systems. If they want to make their older titles easily accesible to people who would otherwise not be able to play them, good for them. I think the only thing you can challenge them on is the pricing scheme, $10 for a N64 game does seem a bit high, but for good games like OoT, it's not that bad of a deal.

Besides, there's nowhere near 400+ NES games worth playing.

[Sir_NutS]

Wow, 5$ for a ps1 game is pretty darn nice. And what the heck are the ninty fanboys doing in this thread? geez can't they go away to praise miyamoto and masturbate to zelda teaser videos as they always do?

I mean... 5$ for a ps1 game and 15$ for a n64 game? uh? doesn't that makes nintendo's service look like a user milking machine? even more when you take in account how many remakes they release every year of the games they are selling you on the vc.

Anyways, I'm burning today a cd with a complete collection of all the NES roms to play them on my ps2. yay for emulation!

[Razumen]

Oops

[The Mutericator]

Wow, 5$ for a ps1 game is pretty darn nice. And what the heck are the ninty fanboys doing in this thread? geez can't they go away to praise miyamoto and masturbate to zelda teaser videos as they always do?

I mean... 5$ for a ps1 game and 15$ for a n64 game? uh? doesn't that makes nintendo's service look like a user milking machine? even more when you take in account how many remakes they release every year of the games they are selling you on the vc.

Anyways, I'm burning today a cd with a complete collection of all the NES roms to play them on my ps2. yay for emulation!

It all depends on how valuable you find the back catalogue. People like me will want games they owned a long time ago but haven't had since - Kirby, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Castlevania, the like.

I can't make a judgement on the PS1 back catalogue until I know how many third parties are supporting it. For example, SquareEnix would be a huge help if they were onboard.

[Razumen]

Wow, 5$ for a ps1 game is pretty darn nice. And what the heck are the ninty fanboys doing in this thread? geez can't they go away to praise miyamoto and masturbate to zelda teaser videos as they always do?

I mean... 5$ for a ps1 game and 15$ for a n64 game? uh? doesn't that makes nintendo's service look like a user milking machine? even more when you take in account how many remakes they release every year of the games they are selling you on the vc.

Anyways, I'm burning today a cd with a complete collection of all the NES roms to play them on my ps2. yay for emulation!

It all depends on how valuable you find the back catalogue. People like me will want games they owned a long time ago but haven't had since - Kirby, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Castlevania, the like.

I can't make a judgement on the PS1 back catalogue until I know how many third parties are supporting it. For example, SquareEnix would be a huge help if they were onboard.
If Sony and Nintendo offered such a service for their portable systems, I would be so much more sold on paying for games on older system like the NES and SNES.

[Bigfoot]

Wow, 5$ for a ps1 game is pretty darn nice. And what the heck are the ninty fanboys doing in this thread? geez can't they go away to praise miyamoto and masturbate to zelda teaser videos as they always do?

I mean... 5$ for a ps1 game and 15$ for a n64 game? uh? doesn't that makes nintendo's service look like a user milking machine? even more when you take in account how many remakes they release every year of the games they are selling you on the vc.

Anyways, I'm burning today a cd with a complete collection of all the NES roms to play them on my ps2. yay for emulation!


... Just stop while you're ahead.



I agree, the game case does look kind of odd with that blue part indicating it's Blu-Ray on top. That Sonic game looks pretty amazing though judging from the video I saw at Target.

[Bahamut]

Trying to get this back on topic, here's a shot of a PS3 game case:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/case-shot-of-ps3s-sonic-the-hedgehog-201176.php

The only case I have that even closely resembles that is the tin that Serenity came in, and even then a normal DVD case was inside. That won't stick out further when put on a shelf with normal games/DVDs, will it?

I hope not... It looks kind of squat so maybe it's the same height as a regular DVD case. There is enough wasted space in regular DVD cases as it is that I sure hope they don't make them bigger. I guess the blue part is supposed to indicate it's a Blu-Ray game, but if there are DVD games for the PS3 will they be in regular cases? It would suck to have more than one type of case. I'm totally into having my games looking neat on a shelf.

It does look nice though. My guess is that all the games will be on blu-ray discs, since Sony is known for pushing standards for development on their consoles (i.e. using a certain amount of 3D in PS1 games).

[atmuh]

Trying to get this back on topic, here's a shot of a PS3 game case:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/case-shot-of-ps3s-sonic-the-hedgehog-201176.php

The only case I have that even closely resembles that is the tin that Serenity came in, and even then a normal DVD case was inside. That won't stick out further when put on a shelf with normal games/DVDs, will it?

I hope not... It looks kind of squat so maybe it's the same height as a regular DVD case. There is enough wasted space in regular DVD cases as it is that I sure hope they don't make them bigger. I guess the blue part is supposed to indicate it's a Blu-Ray game, but if there are DVD games for the PS3 will they be in regular cases? It would suck to have more than one type of case. I'm totally into having my games looking neat on a shelf.

It does look nice though. My guess is that all the games will be on blu-ray discs, since Sony is known for pushing standards for development on their consoles (i.e. using a certain amount of 3D in PS1 games).

We got some in at work already and yes I'm pretty sure that it's the same length as DVD cases, although being shorter. The cases feel kinda cheap, though.

[Bigfoot]

With your PS3, you can smash eggs into walls and hatch Ravens as a result. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyFrekxy7wg)

[atmuh]

With your PS3, you can smash eggs into walls and hatch Ravens as a result. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyFrekxy7wg)

That one's not too bad.

[Bigfoot]

With your PS3, you can smash eggs into walls and hatch Ravens as a result. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyFrekxy7wg)

That one's not too bad.

Yeah, definitely a lot better than the crying baby. I still like the Rubik's Cube one the best.

[Kitsuta]

With your PS3, you can smash eggs into walls and hatch Ravens as a result. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyFrekxy7wg)

That one's not too bad.

Yeah, definitely a lot better than the crying baby. I still like the Rubik's Cube one the best.

At least now they're actually showing the controller. Looks more like a game console and less like a generator.*

*The PS3 is pretty, but in the commercials it wasn't clear what the hell it actually did.

[Bahamut]

Holy shit fanboys are crazy (http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/11/08/ps3-lines-already-forming-in-america.htm)

Oh and http://www.gametab.com/news/734400/ - the PSP finally gets some more promise.

[Vivi_Rules_Pie]

The blog had a good point. How do these people have over a week to just sit there in line. If they dont have jobs, then how do they have enough money to buy a PS3 in the first place?

[megadave]

What a bunch of looooosers.

[Sir_NutS]

dude... can someone's life get more pathetic than that?

[Atomicfog]

Trying to get this back on topic, here's a shot of a PS3 game case:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/case-shot-of-ps3s-sonic-the-hedgehog-201176.php

The only case I have that even closely resembles that is the tin that Serenity came in, and even then a normal DVD case was inside. That won't stick out further when put on a shelf with normal games/DVDs, will it?

I hope not... It looks kind of squat so maybe it's the same height as a regular DVD case. There is enough wasted space in regular DVD cases as it is that I sure hope they don't make them bigger. I guess the blue part is supposed to indicate it's a Blu-Ray game, but if there are DVD games for the PS3 will they be in regular cases? It would suck to have more than one type of case. I'm totally into having my games looking neat on a shelf.

I don't have a source, but I am positive I read in one of my gaming magazines (Game Informer or PSM) that Sony has decided that ALL PS3 games are going to be on Blu-Ray disks, no mix of Blue-ray and DVD.

[Evilhead]

Trying to get this back on topic, here's a shot of a PS3 game case:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/case-shot-of-ps3s-sonic-the-hedgehog-201176.php

The only case I have that even closely resembles that is the tin that Serenity came in, and even then a normal DVD case was inside. That won't stick out further when put on a shelf with normal games/DVDs, will it?

I hope not... It looks kind of squat so maybe it's the same height as a regular DVD case. There is enough wasted space in regular DVD cases as it is that I sure hope they don't make them bigger. I guess the blue part is supposed to indicate it's a Blu-Ray game, but if there are DVD games for the PS3 will they be in regular cases? It would suck to have more than one type of case. I'm totally into having my games looking neat on a shelf.

I don't have a source, but I am positive I read in one of my gaming magazines (Game Informer or PSM) they said that they have decided that ALL PS3 games are going to be on Blu-Ray disks, no mix of Blue-ray and DVD.

Okay, I wasn't sure about that. I thought it might be like the PS2 which could play CD games and DVD games. After all, what's the point of putting a 3 gig game on a blue ray disc? I guess it would be a good way to prevent piracy for one, at least for the time being.

[Bigfoot]

The blog had a good point. How do these people have over a week to just sit there in line. If they dont have jobs, then how do they have enough money to buy a PS3 in the first place?

I'm seriously assuming they're using vacation time for this.



In other news:


4 titles fall from the PS3 launch (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/09/4-titles-fall-from-ps3-launch-f-e-a-r-nba-live-sonic-follow/)

[Viol8tor]

Those PS3 commercials keep making my face turn like this...... :? .

Anywhoo, thats pretty hard core to be waiting inline 1 week+ ahead of launch day. They interviewed some of the people at the Hollywood Best Buy on G4, and the first guy they asked said......."im just going to sell it on Ebay - Im here to get YOU your PS3" :lol: :lol: :lol:

[The Author]

The blog had a good point. How do these people have over a week to just sit there in line. If they dont have jobs, then how do they have enough money to buy a PS3 in the first place?

I'm seriously assuming they're using vacation time for this.



In other news:


4 titles fall from the PS3 launch (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/09/4-titles-fall-from-ps3-launch-f-e-a-r-nba-live-sonic-follow/)


So... from 22 to 18?

[Bigfoot]

Feeling a little down? Need self-esteem boost? Then check out what some of these guys had to say about how they got the time off to stand in line for a PS3. (http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/10/ps3-hopefuls-part-ii/)

[megadave]

A sad hierarchy of priorities for those men.

[Atomicfog]

My friend and I plan on camping out on Thursday, but not this early... Do we have a chance?

[Bigfoot]

I plan on camping out on Thursday, but not this early... Do I have a chance?

If the line is greater than like...5 people, probably not.

[Atomicfog]

I plan on camping out on Thursday, but not this early... Do I have a chance?

If the line is greater than like...5 people, probably not.

Yeah, I know that. I am just curious if it will be.

[SilverStar]

So. The PS3 web browser.. doesn't actually let you browse the web.

He also said that the PS3 browser would be a "special version," which would not allow users to visit any Web site and download PS3 content to their console.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161456.html

Another "WTF were they thinking" moment from Sony?

[Stealthshark]

I'm wondering if that isn't just a typo and the intended word was "now". After all, what's the point of a browser that doesn't, well, browse? :?

[The Damned]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/10/is-there-really-a-1080p-advantage/

So... HD is really important, huh? You can tell the difference between the 360's 720p and the PS3's 1080p, can you? Odd, because the people that get paid to research displays usually can't. You must be some sort of superhero, then, one with the power to see things that professionals can't.

I call shananagins upon you, good sirs, and I bid you good day.

[Kitsuta]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/10/is-there-really-a-1080p-advantage/

So... HD is really important, huh? You can tell the difference between the 360's 720p and the PS3's 1080p, can you? Odd, because the people that get paid to research displays usually can't. You must be some sort of superhero, then, one with the power to see things that professionals can't.

I call shananagins upon you, good sirs, and I bid you good day.

Worst trolling post ever.

Seriously, you can do better than that.

Also, lol at 1080p!

[Bahamut]

Feeling a little down? Need self-esteem boost? Then check out what some of these guys had to say about how they got the time off to stand in line for a PS3. (http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/10/ps3-hopefuls-part-ii/)

R-O-F-L

[SilverStar]

Feeling a little down? Need self-esteem boost? Then check out what some of these guys had to say about how they got the time off to stand in line for a PS3. (http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/10/ps3-hopefuls-part-ii/)
*insert comment about unwashed masses, huddling together and placing all their hopes, dreams and fate on a single graven icon*

You'd think Sony were a religion or something.

[Bahamut]

http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/09/phil-harrison-interview/

No downloading on the PS3 except through Sony's online store :( . 'Tis to be expected but still sucks.

[The Damned]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/10/is-there-really-a-1080p-advantage/

So... HD is really important, huh? You can tell the difference between the 360's 720p and the PS3's 1080p, can you? Odd, because the people that get paid to research displays usually can't. You must be some sort of superhero, then, one with the power to see things that professionals can't.

I call shananagins upon you, good sirs, and I bid you good day.

Worst trolling post ever.

Seriously, you can do better than that.

Also, lol at 1080p!
Trolling, no. Laughing at the people that say HD is everything, yes. I'm specifically talking about the people that have said that they can tell the difference and swear it's that much better.

And what's so funny about 1080p? The name, or the concept? Or that people are willing to pay for it, and get nothing extra from it?

[Kitsuta]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/10/is-there-really-a-1080p-advantage/

So... HD is really important, huh? You can tell the difference between the 360's 720p and the PS3's 1080p, can you? Odd, because the people that get paid to research displays usually can't. You must be some sort of superhero, then, one with the power to see things that professionals can't.

I call shananagins upon you, good sirs, and I bid you good day.

Worst trolling post ever.

Seriously, you can do better than that.

Also, lol at 1080p!
Trolling, no. Laughing at the people that say HD is everything, yes. I'm specifically talking about the people that have said that they can tell the difference and swear it's that much better.

And what's so funny about 1080p? The name, or the concept? Or that people are willing to pay for it, and get nothing extra from it?

It was mostly that your post seemed to be directed at the people in the thread, most of whom had not expressed this love for 1080p. It didn't really seem like a 2nd person POV kinda post. :?

And in answer to your second question, the bolded part.

[The Damned]

Well, I was mostly aiming the comment at a few people here, but mostly at people in general.

[Evilhead]

Does a 720p machine cost more than a 1080p machine? Until it does, I'd rather have the higher resolution for when even better displays come out down the line.

[Atomicfog]

Look at the awesomeness of the games. Screw everything else for now. One launch game and one game that will probably come out sometime within a few months of launch that look fucking badass:

Lair - Video - http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vids_1.html

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733921/lair-20060921045753052.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733921/lair-20060921045754459.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733921/lair-20060921042446115.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733921/lair-20060921042448568.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733921/lair-20060921045749771.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733921/lair-20060921045754459.jpg


Resistance: Fall of Man - Video - http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748483/vids_1.html

We get a KILLER APP day ONE.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/745/745206/resistance-fall-of-man-20061110064422873.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/745/745206/resistance-fall-of-man-20061110064419046.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/745/745206/resistance-fall-of-man-20061110064417702.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/732/732775/resistance-fall-of-man-20060914004749566.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614799/i-8-20060117011953709.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/740/740512/resistance-fall-of-man-20061019042343868.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/732/732775/resistance-fall-of-man-20060914004748019.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/732/732775/resistance-fall-of-man-20060914004759019.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/729/729872/resistance-fall-of-man-20060831054954939.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/719/719896/resistance-fall-of-man-20060721111431083.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/729/729872/resistance-fall-of-man-20060831055651209.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/709/709892/resistance-fall-of-man-20060523095907600.jpg


Also another game I might consider picking up at launch:

Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom - Video - http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/814/814614/vids_1.html

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/739/739829/untold-legends-dark-kingdom-20061017041658809.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/716/716475/untold-legends-dark-kingdom-20060705103200811.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/716/716475/untold-legends-dark-kingdom-20060705103210107.jpg

[KWarp]

Very impressive pictures. 8O What's the frame rate?

[Atomicfog]

Very impressive pictures. 8O What's the frame rate?

Here is what IGN said about Resistance's frame rate:

The framerate is locked at 30 the whole way through and doesn't falter anywhere... ever.

[Evilhead]

Amazing screens Atomicfog. Everytime I hear someone bitching about the PS3's price or whatever nitpicky thing is the topic of the week, I just wonder how their views will change once they actually experience some of these games. Yes, graphics aren't everything, but DAMN. And for the first time these kinds of screenshots aren't followed by the comment, "Yeah, but how will it look on your TV with crappy resolution?" If you're lucky enough to have a widescreen HD setup I'd say be prepared to have your mind blown. Even if you don't, it will still be an amazing experience. I can't wait to get my hands on one of these things...

[Atomicfog]

Amazing screens Atomicfog. Everytime I hear someone bitching about the PS3's price or whatever nitpicky thing is the topic of the week, I just wonder how their views will change once they actually experience some of these games. Yes, graphics aren't everything, but DAMN. And for the first time these kinds of screenshots aren't followed by the comment, "Yeah, but how will it look on your TV with crappy resolution?" If you're lucky enough to have a widescreen HD setup I'd say be prepared to have your mind blown. Even if you don't, it will still be an amazing experience. I can't wait to get my hands on one of these things...

Yeah, or trying to say that it couldn't possibly look like that in-game.

Also, I like the start of Resistance Review on IGN:

Owners of some gaming systems have to wait years before they get a true "killer app," but PlayStation 3 users get theirs on day one. Insomniac's Resistance: Fall of Man is far and away the most impressive title on the console -- delivering on everything that it promised with a strong single-player experience, plenty of kick-ass multiplayer options, and stellar gameplay mechanics that equal those found in other elite shooters. But being like "other elite shooters" isn't what makes Resistance so compelling... it's what separates it from competitors that does.

[CE]

Amazing screens Atomicfog. Everytime I hear someone bitching about the PS3's price or whatever nitpicky thing is the topic of the week, I just wonder how their views will change once they actually experience some of these games. Yes, graphics aren't everything, but DAMN. And for the first time these kinds of screenshots aren't followed by the comment, "Yeah, but how will it look on your TV with crappy resolution?" If you're lucky enough to have a widescreen HD setup I'd say be prepared to have your mind blown. Even if you don't, it will still be an amazing experience. I can't wait to get my hands on one of these things...

I honestly don't see how Resistance's graphics are better then the ones in Gears of War.

And that's my second biggest gripe with the machine. First is the price, which means I won't even get one until like 4 years after launch, but we've been through that. The second is that the main selling point of the machine is the fact their games look prettier then everyone else's. But so far, they look pretty much the same as some of the 360 games. The price difference is huge here, and their clear-cut advantage disappears when comparing certain games?

[Bigfoot]

I guess I must be spoiled from PC games. Although the game looks nice, it doesn't look like anything we haven't seen from a PC FPS game.

[KakTheInfected]

I guess I must be spoiled from PC games. Although the game looks nice, it doesn't look like anything we haven't seen from a PC FPS game.

Very true. The only people that are going to be amazed by the PS3s visuals are people who have never seen a good PC game.

The games look good, but PC players have been accustomed to visuals of that quality for a year now (F.E.A.R.).

Until the PS3 can produce better visuals than the 360 puts out in Gears, I wonder how they can charge so much for it.

[Evilhead]

I guess I must be spoiled from PC games. Although the game looks nice, it doesn't look like anything we haven't seen from a PC FPS game.

Very true. The only people that are going to be amazed by the PS3s visuals are people who have never seen a good PC game.

The games look good, but PC players have been accustomed to visuals of that quality for a year now (F.E.A.R.).

Until the PS3 can produce better visuals than the 360 puts out in Gears, I wonder how they can charge so much for it.

Because they can. Even though the 360 has competitive graphics and is a great system in my mind, the PS3 just has the developer support that will drive the demand for the system.

[KakTheInfected]

As does the 360, as does the Wii...except you're not paying extra for a DVD player you may never fully utilize.

[Evilhead]

As does the 360, as does the Wii...except you're not paying extra for a DVD player you may never fully utilize.

Um, you use it every time you play a game. There are no DVD games for the PS3. Plus some of us actually have or plan to buy HDTVs in the near future and HD movies look damn good. I'd buy Seven Samurai, Ran, and a ton of other movies the second they came out on Blu-Ray.

But this argument has been played out too many times. Yes, the PS3 is more expensive than most systems. It's still cheaper than a high end PC yet has a crapload of power. If you can't afford it now wait for a price drop or buy a 360 instead. The 360 has a lot to offer for the price.

[Sir_NutS]

Impressive screens indeed, but as some people have already said, we pc gamers are kinda used to this kind of graphics now as we've been having them for around a year or so. That doesn't takes away the fact that Resistance looks like a great game though.

The Ps3 has on resistance his killer app indeed(that is at least for the american market), but let's not forget the Wii has one of the greatest killer Apps ever for launch too: The Legend of Zelda. And the ps3 still has a lot to prove on its graphical prowess, after such amazing games like GoW that are coming out for the 360 that are on parallel and at some points even surpassing what we're seeing on the ps3. Admittedly, they've been around for a year already so the ps3 might start showing some visual advantage later on.

[Bahamut]

Those pics do not impress me at all (at least of Lair). Much of them show a lack of polish overall and use tricks like lighting to cover up some of the poor quality in some of them.

However, I couldn't careless. These screens show nothing unique to me. I'll judge when I actually play the system hands on, but until then I'll be selling PS3s throughout the holidays to save up money, and possibly one next year if Sony shows that they aren't as dirty as they've shown so far and if enough worthwhile games come out for it.

[Kitsuta]

Those pics do not impress me at all (at least of Lair). Much of them show a lack of polish overall and use tricks like lighting to cover up some of the poor quality in some of them.

You'd think with all that space they have they could afford some decent anti-aliasing.

That does not, however, apply to Resistance. That game looks truly kick arse. To be honest, I would expect nothing less from a $600 console.

[Bahamut]

Those pics do not impress me at all (at least of Lair). Much of them show a lack of polish overall and use tricks like lighting to cover up some of the poor quality in some of them.

You'd think with all that space they have they could afford some decent anti-aliasing.

That does not, however, apply to Resistance. That game looks truly kick arse. To be honest, I would expect nothing less from a $600 console.

Yeah, hence that parenthetical comment. Some of the Resistance pics though are questionable - there is still a little shoddy work, although it's largely pretty good. I blame the computer graphics people though, not the PS3.

[SilverStar]

Those pics do not impress me at all (at least of Lair). Much of them show a lack of polish overall and use tricks like lighting to cover up some of the poor quality in some of them.

You'd think with all that space they have they could afford some decent anti-aliasing.

That does not, however, apply to Resistance. That game looks truly kick arse. To be honest, I would expect nothing less from a $600 console.Ya, 'cause with all the space in the world, you can pull off really amazing effects that don't actually take any space.

Maybe Sony should start developing the PS4 and.. you know, make it the PS3 with polish?

[Viol8tor]

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/293914565_ec9710f082_o.jpg


I hated the day when i couldn't take my video game console over to my friends house in a back pack anymore.

More Pics:
http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/WiiPS3Unboxing

[Bigfoot]

Blu-Ray discs are 25gigs right? So how much space are they NOT using when making these games?

[CE]

Blu-Ray discs are 25gigs right? So how much space are they NOT using when making these games?

Resistance, for example, uses 16GB I think.

[linkspast]

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/293914565_ec9710f082_o.jpg


I hated the day when i couldn't take my video game console over to my friends house in a back pack anymore.

More Pics:
http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/WiiPS3Unboxing
Is it bigger than the XBOX?

[Bigfoot]

Blu-Ray discs are 25gigs right? So how much space are they NOT using when making these games?

Resistance, for example, uses 16GB I think.

Wow, what makes it so huge though? I mean, it looks like an FPS on a PC and those use DVDs.

[Sir_NutS]

Blu-Ray discs are 25gigs right? So how much space are they NOT using when making these games?

Resistance, for example, uses 16GB I think.

Wow, what makes it so huge though? I mean, it looks like an FPS on a PC and those use DVDs.

Indeed. Even gargantuan fps like UT2k4 and farcry don't take that much, I smell inflation in those numbers. The game seems good and has tons of stuff, but I don't think they crammed so much different stuff to have to use 16 gb of space, even moreso by seeing in videos and images the same enemies over and over.

[CE]

Blu-Ray discs are 25gigs right? So how much space are they NOT using when making these games?

Resistance, for example, uses 16GB I think.

Wow, what makes it so huge though? I mean, it looks like an FPS on a PC and those use DVDs.

Indeed. Even gargantuan fps like UT2k4 and farcry don't take that much, I smell inflation in those numbers. The game seems good and has tons of stuff, but I don't think they crammed so much different stuff to have to use 16 gb of space, even moreso by seeing in videos and images the same enemies over and over.

Well it did seem a bit steep to me too... I probably misread that, it's most likely something like 6GB.

[Nec5]

Blu-Ray discs are 25gigs right? So how much space are they NOT using when making these games?

Resistance, for example, uses 16GB I think.

Wow, what makes it so huge though? I mean, it looks like an FPS on a PC and those use DVDs.There is subliminal code imbedded in each disc. Jack Thompson has personally included messages to fill up space on each blu-ray disc. After playing a game, you will feel the need to hug someone. :wink:

With that much extra space, wouldn't it be smart to include maybe one stage of some other game you want the player to purchase? I don't know. Just a thought.

Edit: I apologize if my last suggestion sounds ignorant. I have played only a couple playstation games over the past eight years and am unfamilar with their implementation of demos.

[Blake]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/10/is-there-really-a-1080p-advantage/

So... HD is really important, huh? You can tell the difference between the 360's 720p and the PS3's 1080p, can you? Odd, because the people that get paid to research displays usually can't. You must be some sort of superhero, then, one with the power to see things that professionals can't.

I call shananagins upon you, good sirs, and I bid you good day.

Worst trolling post ever.

Seriously, you can do better than that.

Also, lol at 1080p!
Trolling, no. Laughing at the people that say HD is everything, yes. I'm specifically talking about the people that have said that they can tell the difference and swear it's that much better.

And what's so funny about 1080p? The name, or the concept? Or that people are willing to pay for it, and get nothing extra from it?

It was mostly that your post seemed to be directed at the people in the thread, most of whom had not expressed this love for 1080p. It didn't really seem like a 2nd person POV kinda post. :?

And in answer to your second question, the bolded part.

You need to be more specific. I thought you were blatantly mocking people who like HD picture better than regular or DVD picture in the second post. If you can't appreciate the difference between any HD format and a regular broadcast signal or DVD, you are blind. I love my HD tv cuz it's so amazingly freaking clear, but I will heed the warning that says there is no true difference between 1080i or 720 p or whatever the heck they're called. I think I have a 720p HD TV, but it's pretty darn good.

[Atomicfog]

Amazing screens Atomicfog. Everytime I hear someone bitching about the PS3's price or whatever nitpicky thing is the topic of the week, I just wonder how their views will change once they actually experience some of these games. Yes, graphics aren't everything, but DAMN. And for the first time these kinds of screenshots aren't followed by the comment, "Yeah, but how will it look on your TV with crappy resolution?" If you're lucky enough to have a widescreen HD setup I'd say be prepared to have your mind blown. Even if you don't, it will still be an amazing experience. I can't wait to get my hands on one of these things...

I honestly don't see how Resistance's graphics are better then the ones in Gears of War.

And that's my second biggest gripe with the machine. First is the price, which means I won't even get one until like 4 years after launch, but we've been through that. The second is that the main selling point of the machine is the fact their games look prettier then everyone else's. But so far, they look pretty much the same as some of the 360 games. The price difference is huge here, and their clear-cut advantage disappears when comparing certain games?

The graphics aren't better than GOW, but GOW came in an entire year after the Xbox 360 was released.
I really don't think any other Xbox 360 games compare in terms of graphics; though even if you did think so I would have to point out that this game stays at a solid 30 fps even with 40 player multiplayer.
And, the power still left unharnessed on the PS3 is an insane amount; these are only launch games that are looking this awesome.

Those pics do not impress me at all (at least of Lair). Much of them show a lack of polish overall and use tricks like lighting to cover up some of the poor quality in some of them.

You'd think with all that space they have they could afford some decent anti-aliasing.

That does not, however, apply to Resistance. That game looks truly kick arse. To be honest, I would expect nothing less from a $600 console.

Yeah, in those screens Lair seems to be suffering a little bit from jaggies, but the game isn't a launch title and they have plenty of time to fix that. Even if it did stay that way the the videos of the game make it look so awesomely fun that I must get it whenever it comes out (as long as it gets good reviews which I am pretty damn sure it will.). You should watch the developer interview though, it sound like the controls on the game are going to utilize the six axis controller VERY nicely. I'm so excited :D.






Blu-Ray discs are 25gigs right? So how much space are they NOT using when making these games?

Resistance, for example, uses 16GB I think.

Wow, what makes it so huge though? I mean, it looks like an FPS on a PC and those use DVDs.

Indeed. Even gargantuan fps like UT2k4 and farcry don't take that much, I smell inflation in those numbers. The game seems good and has tons of stuff, but I don't think they crammed so much different stuff to have to use 16 gb of space, even moreso by seeing in videos and images the same enemies over and over.

The format offers more than five times the storage capacity of traditional DVDs and can hold up to 25GB on a single-layer disc and 50GB on a dual-layer disc.

http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=34764
According to Ryan Schneider, spokesman for Insomniac Games, "Resistance: Fall of Man" Blu-ray PS3 game is making good use of the new format, using up a massive 22 gigabytes for music, level data, textures and code. These discs can only hold 25 gigabytes in total per layer. Pointing to the fact that HD-DVD cannot store this much information on a single layer disc, he kind of threw some sand in Microsoft and Toshiba's eyes. He said for this reason of extra storage capacity, this game will be PS3/Blu-ray only.

Schneider offered some distinguishing stats (which he called MTV News on Tuesday to further clarify). The game, he said, currently takes up 22 Gigabytes of memory on a Blu-Ray disc, the new disc format supported by the PS3 that is one-half of a VHS-vs.-Betamax format war erupting between tech companies throughout the year. While the music and vocals in "Resistance" take up only about 1 Gigabyte of disc space, graphics, level data and programming code occupy most of the remaining 21.

I haven't played the game so I don't know how all of this game so I don't know just how everything is utilized, but with 40 player multiplayer, massive environments, a 15 hour single player campaign, Insanely awesome normal mapping... etc I can see them using up around this much space; Though I really assume that much of the space was used up because they had the space and didn't feel like compressing things
which is usually done with large DVD games. I'm pretty sure leaving it uncompressed also speeds up the game alot since the data doesn't need to be uncompressed, this may be one of the reasons why it the frame rate never hiccups throughout the entire game. Just speculation though.

[Beatdown]

And, the power still left unharnessed on the PS3 is an insane amount; these are only launch games that are looking this awesome.

This is what has me hopeful for the console. Looking at titles like MGS4 and White Knight Story, I have to stop and remember the early PS2 titles I thought were gorgeous back when the system was still new and look at the improvements since then.

Though I don't think either of those games are launch titles. Still.

[Bahamut]

http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=34764
According to Ryan Schneider, spokesman for Insomniac Games, "Resistance: Fall of Man" Blu-ray PS3 game is making good use of the new format, using up a massive 22 gigabytes for music, level data, textures and code. These discs can only hold 25 gigabytes in total per layer. Pointing to the fact that HD-DVD cannot store this much information on a single layer disc, he kind of threw some sand in Microsoft and Toshiba's eyes. He said for this reason of extra storage capacity, this game will be PS3/Blu-ray only.

Schneider offered some distinguishing stats (which he called MTV News on Tuesday to further clarify). The game, he said, currently takes up 22 Gigabytes of memory on a Blu-Ray disc, the new disc format supported by the PS3 that is one-half of a VHS-vs.-Betamax format war erupting between tech companies throughout the year. While the music and vocals in "Resistance" take up only about 1 Gigabyte of disc space, graphics, level data and programming code occupy most of the remaining 21.

I haven't played the game so I don't know how all of this game so I don't know just how everything is utilized, but with 40 player multiplayer, massive environments, a 15 hour single player campaign, Insanely awesome normal mapping... etc I can see them using up around this much space; Though I really assume that much of the space was used up because they had the space and didn't feel like compressing things
which is usually done with large DVD games. I'm pretty sure leaving it uncompressed also speeds up the game alot since the data doesn't need to be uncompressed, this may be one of the reasons why it the frame rate never hiccups throughout the entire game. Just speculation though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_%28video_game%29#Storage

The game has been downsized to use slightly more than 16 GB. It looks like they just stuffed a bunch of movies on there, which is why it takes up so much space. I'm disliking this push towards more in game cinematics more and more.

[Bigfoot]

http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=34764
According to Ryan Schneider, spokesman for Insomniac Games, "Resistance: Fall of Man" Blu-ray PS3 game is making good use of the new format, using up a massive 22 gigabytes for music, level data, textures and code. These discs can only hold 25 gigabytes in total per layer. Pointing to the fact that HD-DVD cannot store this much information on a single layer disc, he kind of threw some sand in Microsoft and Toshiba's eyes. He said for this reason of extra storage capacity, this game will be PS3/Blu-ray only.

Schneider offered some distinguishing stats (which he called MTV News on Tuesday to further clarify). The game, he said, currently takes up 22 Gigabytes of memory on a Blu-Ray disc, the new disc format supported by the PS3 that is one-half of a VHS-vs.-Betamax format war erupting between tech companies throughout the year. While the music and vocals in "Resistance" take up only about 1 Gigabyte of disc space, graphics, level data and programming code occupy most of the remaining 21.

I haven't played the game so I don't know how all of this game so I don't know just how everything is utilized, but with 40 player multiplayer, massive environments, a 15 hour single player campaign, Insanely awesome normal mapping... etc I can see them using up around this much space; Though I really assume that much of the space was used up because they had the space and didn't feel like compressing things
which is usually done with large DVD games. I'm pretty sure leaving it uncompressed also speeds up the game alot since the data doesn't need to be uncompressed, this may be one of the reasons why it the frame rate never hiccups throughout the entire game. Just speculation though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_%28video_game%29#Storage

The game has been downsized to use slightly more than 16 GB. It looks like they just stuffed a bunch of movies on there, which is why it takes up so much space. I'm disliking this push towards more in game cinematics more and more.


This is going to make the next Finakl Fantasy amazing.


Go outside town, cinematic. You get into a fight, cinematic. You attack, cinematic. You get hit, cinematic. You win, cinematic. Cinematic to show what items and how much experience points you just won.



/sarcasm btw ;p

[Kitsuta]

So the PS3 launched in Japan today.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=69868

Sorry, Evilhead.

The article is a good read, though. :)

[I-n-j-i-n]

Another great launch article:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161537.html

[CE]

This one tells it like it is.

Foreigners And Fights, PS3 JPN Launch's Dark Side (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php)

It's from an email a guy in Japan sent to Kotaku. People are totally ruining launches with them wanting to make a fast buck on ebay.

[SilverStar]

In response to this,

http://cgi.ebay.com/PRE-SALE-SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-PRESALE-60GB-CONSOLE_W0QQitemZ330047524577QQihZ0

All I have to say is this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI

[I-n-j-i-n]

Apparently a bad launch for the people involved, but I think you have to be a hardcore type to get involved with messy launches like those.

And a major LOL at the Chinese nationals, pirates and scalpers getting in on the action. They are everywhere nowadays when it comes down to games. Even online.

[Bigfoot]

In response to this,

http://cgi.ebay.com/PRE-SALE-SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-PRESALE-60GB-CONSOLE_W0QQitemZ330047524577QQihZ0

All I have to say is this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI


What the FUCK?! It's over 9000?!! Not being funny, I'm being serious. What the fuck

[SilverStar]

In response to this,

http://cgi.ebay.com/PRE-SALE-SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-PRESALE-60GB-CONSOLE_W0QQitemZ330047524577QQihZ0

All I have to say is this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI


What the FUCK?! It's over 9000?!! Not being funny, I'm being serious. What the fuck

Considering there's a good chance now that the US launch shipment will be cut in half to around 200K, 9 grand may well turn out to be a good deal, for a guaranteed system.

Here, link.
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Playstation_3_shipments_cut_in_half

Granted, it's from one source and whatnot, but I can really see it happening. Guess we'll have to wait until monday and see if other game news outlets report on it.

[Bigfoot]

In response to this,

http://cgi.ebay.com/PRE-SALE-SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-PRESALE-60GB-CONSOLE_W0QQitemZ330047524577QQihZ0

All I have to say is this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI


What the FUCK?! It's over 9000?!! Not being funny, I'm being serious. What the fuck

Considering there's a good chance now that the US launch shipment will be cut in half to around 200K, 9 grand may well turn out to be a good deal, for a guaranteed system.

Here, link.
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Playstation_3_shipments_cut_in_half

Granted, it's from one source and whatnot, but I can really see it happening. Guess we'll have to wait until monday and see if other game news outlets report on it.

Meh, some random Best Buy employee isn't a good enough source to stand by. I work at a Best Buy store, and some people don't know what they're talking about sometimes.

[Evilhead]

And, the power still left unharnessed on the PS3 is an insane amount; these are only launch games that are looking this awesome.

This is what has me hopeful for the console. Looking at titles like MGS4 and White Knight Story, I have to stop and remember the early PS2 titles I thought were gorgeous back when the system was still new and look at the improvements since then.

Though I don't think either of those games are launch titles. Still.


I remember when the PS2 came out I was a little dissapointed. It seemed like a bunch of PS1 games with higher res textures slapped on, which were true for a good number of games. To have early PS3 games look like this is a good sign. I think if developers really push the machine we can see some fantastic games.



And as for the Japanese launch, who knows when I'll be able to get a PS3. They are selling consistantly on Yahoo Auction for $1500+ and there's no way I'm spending more than the retail price for the system. I guess I'll just have to wait.

[Bigfoot]

PS3 being taken apart:

Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHS07EFGZ3g

Part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcoEA69MuYM

Part3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdB2qQPv7LI

Part4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOf5m8XH4pY


Part 3 shows the heatsink. It's pretty cool, but freakin' massive as hell.

[Penfold]

So PS3 game reviews are starting to slowly come in.

So far those with at least one review on Metacritic as of Nov 12 are:

Genji 2 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/genji2)

Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/marvelultimatealliance)

Resistance: Fall of Man (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/resistancefallofman)

Tony Hawk Project 8 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/tonyhawksproject8)

Seems like the launch line up only makes Resistance: Fall of Man shine even brighter. I don't think it's suprising at all it has a 91 so far; I'd expect it to keep around that score even after the rest of the reviews are in. Ah well, still not enough to convince me to get a PS3 just yet (I'll probably just wait till July, when MGS4 comes out).

EDIT: And as for the Japanese launch, who knows when I'll be able to get a PS3. They are selling consistantly on Yahoo Auction for $1500+ and there's no way I'm spending more than the retail price for the system.

Totally. Out of principle, I think it's silly to pay over 2 times the retail cost for something like that when it just encourages people to continue scalping systems at launch like that.

[Bahamut]

In response to this,

http://cgi.ebay.com/PRE-SALE-SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-PRESALE-60GB-CONSOLE_W0QQitemZ330047524577QQihZ0

All I have to say is this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI

Even worse, $18 million US for PS3s (http://search.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/search?p=ps3&f=0x2&alocale=0jp&apg=1&s1=cbids&o1=d&mode=2&auccat=0)

Edit: More PS3 lol (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php) - Sony needs to get its act together.

[Evilhead]

Edit: More PS3 lol (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php) - Sony needs to get its act together.

This has already been linked here (i.e. PLD), but to be fair this has little to do with Sony and more to do with how the retailers handled the situation and the short supply of PS3s available. Beyond that it's just monetary gain that leads people to do stuff like this.

Rich businessman pays poor Chinese men $200 to stand in line for a few days to buy a $600 system. Then sell said system on Yahoo Auction for $1200. There's a $400 profit just for one system, and multiply that buy X and you'll have people making decent coin off of this thing. Supply and demand issues will create this. Not saying Sony is not at all at fault here, but it seems they are producing systems as fast as they can.

[Bahamut]

Edit: More PS3 lol (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php) - Sony needs to get its act together.

This has already been linked here (i.e. PLD), but to be fair this has little to do with Sony and more to do with how the retailers handled the situation and the short supply of PS3s available. Beyond that it's just monetary gain that leads people to do stuff like this.

Rich businessman pays poor Chinese men $200 to stand in line for a few days to buy a $600 system. Then sell said system on Yahoo Auction for $1200. There's a $400 profit just for one system, and multiply that buy X and you'll have people making decent coin off of this thing. Supply and demand issues will create this. Not saying Sony is not at all at fault here, but it seems they are producing systems as fast as they can.

But $18 million isn't just decent coin - that's an incredible amount! I think Sony should've delayed launch though - there's no reason why delaying the launch would have an adverse effect, considering that people would gulp it up anyway. This shortage is completely Sony's fault for trying to rush it out before Christmas.

[Evilhead]

Edit: More PS3 lol (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php) - Sony needs to get its act together.

This has already been linked here (i.e. PLD), but to be fair this has little to do with Sony and more to do with how the retailers handled the situation and the short supply of PS3s available. Beyond that it's just monetary gain that leads people to do stuff like this.

Rich businessman pays poor Chinese men $200 to stand in line for a few days to buy a $600 system. Then sell said system on Yahoo Auction for $1200. There's a $400 profit just for one system, and multiply that buy X and you'll have people making decent coin off of this thing. Supply and demand issues will create this. Not saying Sony is not at all at fault here, but it seems they are producing systems as fast as they can.

But $18 million isn't just decent coin - that's an incredible amount! I think Sony should've delayed launch though - there's no reason why delaying the launch would have an adverse effect, considering that people would gulp it up anyway. This shortage is completely Sony's fault.


Think about it from Sony's perspective. They have a finished product ready to go, and a public who is clamoring to buy it. Production issues limit the amount of units they can produce by launch, so in order to help out the situation in Japan and the US they delay the European launch to many jeers, even though a worldwide release is very hard to accomplish for such a system. Would you sell all of your available units now, get people so hyped up about it they are willing to pay over $1000 for your system or let Nintendo and Microsoft eat up even more potential customers? Sony is just getting the machine out there. The kids who stood in line for days will surely be bringing all their friends over to play it. Those kids will want one too, and will buy it when the next shipment comes in. How is driving the demand for your system through the roof a bad move for Sony? Who cares if some people make money off of this? It's not like this wasn't the case with the PS2.

[Bahamut]

Edit: More PS3 lol (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php) - Sony needs to get its act together.

This has already been linked here (i.e. PLD), but to be fair this has little to do with Sony and more to do with how the retailers handled the situation and the short supply of PS3s available. Beyond that it's just monetary gain that leads people to do stuff like this.

Rich businessman pays poor Chinese men $200 to stand in line for a few days to buy a $600 system. Then sell said system on Yahoo Auction for $1200. There's a $400 profit just for one system, and multiply that buy X and you'll have people making decent coin off of this thing. Supply and demand issues will create this. Not saying Sony is not at all at fault here, but it seems they are producing systems as fast as they can.

But $18 million isn't just decent coin - that's an incredible amount! I think Sony should've delayed launch though - there's no reason why delaying the launch would have an adverse effect, considering that people would gulp it up anyway. This shortage is completely Sony's fault.


Think about it from Sony's perspective. They have a finished product ready to go, and a public who is clamoring to buy it. Production issues limit the amount of units they can produce by launch, so in order to help out the situation in Japan and the US they delay the European launch to many jeers, even though a worldwide release is very hard to accomplish for such a system. Would you sell all of your available units now, get people so hyped up about it they are willing to pay over $1000 for your system or let Nintendo and Microsoft eat up even more potential customers? Sony is just getting the machine out there. The kids who stood in line for days will surely be bringing all their friends over to play it. Those kids will want one too, and will buy it when the next shipment comes in. How is driving the demand for your system through the roof a bad move for Sony? Who cares if some people make money off of this? It's not like this wasn't the case with the PS2.

But also from this perspective, there are surely many buyers who might get pissed off that they payed so much for what is frankly so little (at least at launch). From a purely business perspective, it's dangerous business, especially since it appears that they won't be able to manufacture as much for launch as they did for the PS2 launch, and with this expanded market, it could backfire. They already alienate many consumers with many big incidents, and it partially shows in their huge losses & decreased profit - right now the company is on dangerous ground, and moves like this can only serve to possibly hasten their death.

[lazygecko]

Shouldn't this be a huge loss for Sony, considering they have to sell the console at a launch and rely on ridiculously prices games to compensate?

[Evilhead]

^ How are $50-$60 games overpriced? I'm sure you remember the day when SNES/Megadrive games were very expensive. I got my copy of FFVI for $80 back in 1995 or whenever it came out. That's like $100 today. Did I enjoy the game any less?



Edit: More PS3 lol (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php) - Sony needs to get its act together.

This has already been linked here (i.e. PLD), but to be fair this has little to do with Sony and more to do with how the retailers handled the situation and the short supply of PS3s available. Beyond that it's just monetary gain that leads people to do stuff like this.

Rich businessman pays poor Chinese men $200 to stand in line for a few days to buy a $600 system. Then sell said system on Yahoo Auction for $1200. There's a $400 profit just for one system, and multiply that buy X and you'll have people making decent coin off of this thing. Supply and demand issues will create this. Not saying Sony is not at all at fault here, but it seems they are producing systems as fast as they can.

But $18 million isn't just decent coin - that's an incredible amount! I think Sony should've delayed launch though - there's no reason why delaying the launch would have an adverse effect, considering that people would gulp it up anyway. This shortage is completely Sony's fault.


Think about it from Sony's perspective. They have a finished product ready to go, and a public who is clamoring to buy it. Production issues limit the amount of units they can produce by launch, so in order to help out the situation in Japan and the US they delay the European launch to many jeers, even though a worldwide release is very hard to accomplish for such a system. Would you sell all of your available units now, get people so hyped up about it they are willing to pay over $1000 for your system or let Nintendo and Microsoft eat up even more potential customers? Sony is just getting the machine out there. The kids who stood in line for days will surely be bringing all their friends over to play it. Those kids will want one too, and will buy it when the next shipment comes in. How is driving the demand for your system through the roof a bad move for Sony? Who cares if some people make money off of this? It's not like this wasn't the case with the PS2.

But also from this perspective, there are surely many buyers who might get pissed off that they payed so much for what is frankly so little (at least at launch). From a purely business perspective, it's dangerous business, especially since it appears that they won't be able to manufacture as much for launch as they did for the PS2 launch, and with this expanded market, it could backfire. They already alienate many consumers with many big incidents, and it partially shows in their huge losses & decreased profit - right now the company is on dangerous ground, and moves like this can only serve to possibly hasten their death.

You're telling me the people who managed to get a PS3 at launch are pissed off? If they are so disappointed, then they can easily sell the system on eBay for a large profit. And for those that buy the system in eBay, they obviously really want the system and have enough money to pay that much so I don't see why they would be pissed off. No one is forcing these people to buy the PS3. I really want the system myself, but does the fact that there are people out there right now who have it piss me off? No, because I wasn't willing to camp out all night or pay double the price to have it. Let the fanatics snap it up, and the rest of us who aren't children can deal with the fact that we might have to wait a few months to get the system. I've been waiting for the PS3 a long time now so a few more months isn't going to kill me, and with a lot of the great games out there right now there are plenty of things to keep myself busy with. Delaying the launch would just create the same situation, except at a later date.

[Bahamut]

Edit: More PS3 lol (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php) - Sony needs to get its act together.

This has already been linked here (i.e. PLD), but to be fair this has little to do with Sony and more to do with how the retailers handled the situation and the short supply of PS3s available. Beyond that it's just monetary gain that leads people to do stuff like this.

Rich businessman pays poor Chinese men $200 to stand in line for a few days to buy a $600 system. Then sell said system on Yahoo Auction for $1200. There's a $400 profit just for one system, and multiply that buy X and you'll have people making decent coin off of this thing. Supply and demand issues will create this. Not saying Sony is not at all at fault here, but it seems they are producing systems as fast as they can.

But $18 million isn't just decent coin - that's an incredible amount! I think Sony should've delayed launch though - there's no reason why delaying the launch would have an adverse effect, considering that people would gulp it up anyway. This shortage is completely Sony's fault.


Think about it from Sony's perspective. They have a finished product ready to go, and a public who is clamoring to buy it. Production issues limit the amount of units they can produce by launch, so in order to help out the situation in Japan and the US they delay the European launch to many jeers, even though a worldwide release is very hard to accomplish for such a system. Would you sell all of your available units now, get people so hyped up about it they are willing to pay over $1000 for your system or let Nintendo and Microsoft eat up even more potential customers? Sony is just getting the machine out there. The kids who stood in line for days will surely be bringing all their friends over to play it. Those kids will want one too, and will buy it when the next shipment comes in. How is driving the demand for your system through the roof a bad move for Sony? Who cares if some people make money off of this? It's not like this wasn't the case with the PS2.

But also from this perspective, there are surely many buyers who might get pissed off that they payed so much for what is frankly so little (at least at launch). From a purely business perspective, it's dangerous business, especially since it appears that they won't be able to manufacture as much for launch as they did for the PS2 launch, and with this expanded market, it could backfire. They already alienate many consumers with many big incidents, and it partially shows in their huge losses & decreased profit - right now the company is on dangerous ground, and moves like this can only serve to possibly hasten their death.

You're telling me the people who managed to get a PS3 at launch are pissed off? If they are so disappointed, then they can easily sell the system on eBay for a large profit. And for those that buy the system in eBay, they obviously really want the system and have enough money to pay that much so I don't see why they would be pissed off. No one is forcing these people to buy the PS3. I really want the system myself, but does the fact that there are people out there right now who have it piss me off? No, because I wasn't willing to camp out all night or pay double the price to have it. Let the fanatics snap it up, and the rest of us who aren't children can deal with the fact that we might have to wait a few months to get the system. I've been waiting for the PS3 a long time now so a few more months isn't going to kill me, and with a lot of the great games out there right now there are plenty of things to keep myself busy with. Delaying the launch would just create the same situation, except at a later date.

They (the people who actually bought the console, not anyone else - lets not get sidetracked here) could get pissed off if the console isn't to expectations, and it surely can't be for that price unless they're incredibly rich, but I find it hard to believe that most of the buyers are that rich - my family is a part of the upper middle class and the ebay prices are still considered an extreme extravagence. I have met poor people who will buy whatever console they can at launch, no matter the price, but no such rich person, so I'm inclined to think this is the case. But such people are also probably a significant portion of Sony's game division income, and consequently their overall income (since their other divisions are almost all failing). If Sony thinks their risking consumer loyalty to get the console out quick enough is worth it, then ok, but if one wants to talk about a purely business perspective, there is a large chance that what they did was a misstep in almost every way possible.

[KWarp]

^ How are $50-$60 games overpriced? I'm sure you remember the day when SNES/Megadrive games were very expensive.
My impression was the price range for PS3 games was from $60-$100.
I got my copy of FFVI for $80 back in 1995 or whenever it came out. That's like $100 today. Did I enjoy the game any less?
FFVI was an exception to the $50 game standard. If every PS3 game is as good as FFVI, there's nothing to worry about.

[I-n-j-i-n]

To be a realist about it, let's face it. Sony has been crapping on consumers' heads since the Mini-disc and a slew of other electronic problems.

Their PSX and PS2 were their saving grace and it just seems that PS3 is really having the typical launch day hiccups, but to a bigger degree and more intense scrutiny since they are the game console company to beat.

So this is really nothing new. Though I think it's fairly obvious that Sony is shooting for the Japanese market that will pretty much be guaranteed to invest in a PS3 and the hardcore gamers at the moment. Wait until a few price drops until they can start appealing to the poorer of the lot.

[Evilhead]

^ How are $50-$60 games overpriced? I'm sure you remember the day when SNES/Megadrive games were very expensive.
My impression was the price range for PS3 games was from $60-$100.

You're impression was wrong. Sony has announced quite a while ago that there are going to be no first party games for more than $60. And we can assume third parties will follow suit as they always have. You can check the prices right now if you want. I'm sure plenty of sites have PS3 GAMES available.


They (the people who actually bought the console, not anyone else - lets not get sidetracked here) could get pissed off if the console isn't to expectations, and it surely can't be for that price unless they're incredibly rich,


So you're saying no gaming machine is worth $600, no matter how good it is? Tell that to all the PC gamers with $2000 gaming rigs. I'm no rich man, as I make about $35,000-$40,000 a year or so, but $600 isn't going to put me in the poor house. It's less than a week's pay for something I'll be using constantly for 5 or 6 years. That really boils down to a $100 a year, $8 a month or so. NOT that much money, sorry. Yes, it's expensive for a console, but it's extremely powerful and has a blu-ray player built in. If you don't think it's worth it, by all means don't buy it. But by assuming NO ONE will think it's a good value is crazy.


but I find it hard to believe that most of the buyers are that rich - my family is a part of the upper middle class and the ebay prices are still considered an extreme extravagence.

Agreed, they are extremely overpriced on eBay. I would never pay more than retail for ANY system, even old collectable ones. But for the young single IT who makes $150k a year and is a videogame nut, technophile, and has a badass home theatre... $1000 is nothing to have the hottest thing right away. I'd never buy a $1000 PS3, even if I had tons of extra money because I know I can just wait a few months and get it for regular price. But don't assume everyone is in the same situation as you. Obviously there are a lot of people willing to pay this much for the machine, so what's it to you?


I have met poor people who will buy whatever console they can at launch, no matter the price

These people are not poor.


If Sony thinks their risking consumer loyalty to get the console out quick enough is worth it, then ok, but if one wants to talk about a purely business perspective, there is a large chance that what they did was a misstep in almost every way possible.

You haven't made any kind of arguement whatsoever. You basically said, "THE PS3 IS OVERPRICED!!" Yes, I know people will be frustrated that they won't be able to get the PS3 right away, but they had a chance. If they lined up for pre-orders or go to Best Buy very early they could get one. For the others, they will get one when they can. How is not being able to get one right now because they are sold out vs. not being able to get one right now because the launch is delayed any different? People will be pissed either way. I don't think the people who have been waiting patiently for years for the PS3 will be so put off by having to wait a few months at most that they will swear never to buy one. If that was true the PS2 would have failed, as we were in the EXACT SAME SITUATION when it came out. You couldn't get a PS2 ANYWHERE for months, right during the Christmas season, there were rediculous eBay auctions, and it still became the #1 console. And if Sony keeps it's word we should be seeing a lot more consoles out there by the end of the year. They have the hottest thing out right now. Do you think they are sitting on their hands doing nothing? They are cranking out Blu-Ray drives as fast as possible. The rest of the parts are all built and ready. The Blu-Ray just caused a lot of problems but with time I'm sure manufacturing will pick up.

[sgx]

To be a realist about it, let's face it. Sony has been crapping on consumers' heads since the Mini-disc and a slew of other electronic problems.


Minidisc was awesome! stfu!

[I-n-j-i-n]

Yeah, awesome for a while. Then people realized how slowly it burned music compared to every new devices that did it much faster. But I hated burning anything onto discs five or six years ago. Always a pain. CDs, mini-dics, it doesn't matter.

[lazygecko]

^ How are $50-$60 games overpriced?

I would never, ever pay a penny more than $50 for a brand new game, and that's only if I'm sure it's damn good.

[Evilhead]

^ Be glad you don't live in Japan then. New PS2 games are often up to $70. $50-$60 really isn't that bad for a new game, especially since you will be able to get it used for $40 or so almost right away.

To be a realist about it, let's face it. Sony has been crapping on consumers' heads since the Mini-disc and a slew of other electronic problems.


Minidisc was awesome! stfu!

People still use minidiscs here in Japan. They are pretty great for recording music onto, at least before MP3 players became so good. Still with the 1 gig minidiscs you can put a LOT of CD quality music on one disc.

[Bigfoot]

The PS3 will probably see a price drop in April 2007 because of this (http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/10/silicon-wafers-to-solve-blue-laser-supply-problem/)


But I think they should have delayed the launch in Japan. 80,000 is embarassing.

[Bahamut]

If Sony thinks their risking consumer loyalty to get the console out quick enough is worth it, then ok, but if one wants to talk about a purely business perspective, there is a large chance that what they did was a misstep in almost every way possible.

You haven't made any kind of arguement whatsoever. You basically said, "THE PS3 IS OVERPRICED!!" Yes, I know people will be frustrated that they won't be able to get the PS3 right away, but they had a chance. If they lined up for pre-orders or go to Best Buy very early they could get one. For the others, they will get one when they can. How is not being able to get one right now because they are sold out vs. not being able to get one right now because the launch is delayed any different? People will be pissed either way. I don't think the people who have been waiting patiently for years for the PS3 will be so put off by having to wait a few months at most that they will swear never to buy one. If that was true the PS2 would have failed, as we were in the EXACT SAME SITUATION when it came out. You couldn't get a PS2 ANYWHERE for months, right during the Christmas season, there were rediculous eBay auctions, and it still became the #1 console. And if Sony keeps it's word we should be seeing a lot more consoles out there by the end of the year. They have the hottest thing out right now. Do you think they are sitting on their hands doing nothing? They are cranking out Blu-Ray drives as fast as possible. The rest of the parts are all built and ready. The Blu-Ray just caused a lot of problems but with time I'm sure manufacturing will pick up.

My argument was that the poorer people are the ones most likely to get hit hard by the disappointment - for an example, I have a friend who only makes like $20000 yearly and has a hard time making ends meet, yet he goes out of his way to buy every console/handheld at launch. What type of crap is that? These are the type of people Sony has here - fanatical gamers who don't care how much they're spending, and these are the people who Sony is bound to disappoint, and for a company poised on the edge like Sony is, that is everything right now, unlike at PS2 launch. They need every dollar they can get at this stage to survive to only possibly see blu-ray mature, and that doesn't even guarantee them survival.

[Evilhead]

If Sony thinks their risking consumer loyalty to get the console out quick enough is worth it, then ok, but if one wants to talk about a purely business perspective, there is a large chance that what they did was a misstep in almost every way possible.

You haven't made any kind of arguement whatsoever. You basically said, "THE PS3 IS OVERPRICED!!" Yes, I know people will be frustrated that they won't be able to get the PS3 right away, but they had a chance. If they lined up for pre-orders or go to Best Buy very early they could get one. For the others, they will get one when they can. How is not being able to get one right now because they are sold out vs. not being able to get one right now because the launch is delayed any different? People will be pissed either way. I don't think the people who have been waiting patiently for years for the PS3 will be so put off by having to wait a few months at most that they will swear never to buy one. If that was true the PS2 would have failed, as we were in the EXACT SAME SITUATION when it came out. You couldn't get a PS2 ANYWHERE for months, right during the Christmas season, there were rediculous eBay auctions, and it still became the #1 console. And if Sony keeps it's word we should be seeing a lot more consoles out there by the end of the year. They have the hottest thing out right now. Do you think they are sitting on their hands doing nothing? They are cranking out Blu-Ray drives as fast as possible. The rest of the parts are all built and ready. The Blu-Ray just caused a lot of problems but with time I'm sure manufacturing will pick up.

My argument was that the poorer people are the ones most likely to get hit hard by the disappointment - for an example, I have a friend who only makes like $20000 yearly and has a hard time making ends meet, yet he goes out of his way to buy every console/handheld at launch. What type of crap is that? These are the type of people Sony has here - fanatical gamers who don't care how much they're spending, and these are the people who Sony is bound to disappoint, and for a company poised on the edge like Sony is, that is everything right now, unlike at PS2 launch. They need every dollar they can get at this stage to survive to only possibly see blu-ray mature, and that doesn't even guarantee them survival.

Well, if you are having a hard time making ends meet, don't buy a $600 video game console. That's just called common sense. But I don't see how people are going to be dissapointed in the PS3, really, unless they aren't satisfied by the launch titles (which is just a temporary problem anyway). The graphics are blowing me away and there are tons of great games set to come out for it. Not to mention the HD capabilities, motion sensing controller, improved online services, built in hard drive, etc. If someone is really scrapped for cash, I'd recommend buying it after the first price drop. Then they can save some money and by the time that happens there should be a big library of games to choose from. Either that or buy a 360 instead since it's cheaper and already has a great library of games. Buying at launch is a luxury afforded to those with disposable incomes. If you buy a PS3 instead of paying your rent you just aren't using your brain.

[Bigfoot]

Wait, so you're excited about the motion sensing controller for the PS3, yet you call the Wii's controller a gimmick and what not.


And HD is great and all, but not everyone has an HD TV. That's a lot of money they have to dish out if they want to get the full potential out of the PS3.


And just incase people missed it from the last page.

The PS3 will probably see a price drop in April 2007 because of this (http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/10/silicon-wafers-to-solve-blue-laser-supply-problem/)

I wonder how long the lasers will last in the first gen PS3s.

[The Author]

I think you fail to see how much is ridding on this console here. Every console produced costs a lot of money to Sony. Every console that is not sold is a money pit. They need to sell enough consoles to produce more consoles so they can sell them at a loss again.

Their only way to make money is by selling games and BlueRay dvds. Their launch line-up lost 4 games recently. If people don't have enough money to buy multiple games, it drastically cuts the profit margin.

Normally, this would not be a problem, but the battery fiasco kinda put a dent in Sony's cushion.

A 95% deep dent.

And the blue ray is still a very abstract concept, where as HD-DVDs are already out and available. From a purely business perspective, Sony's moves will be very interesting.

[G_D]

There is a way to launch such a small number of units that could've avoided the huge mess in Kotaku's article. If Sony had simply doubled the price on the first shipment of PS3s, they would make more money, discourage scalping, and weed out a large number of people who would otherwise wait in line.

That being said, no console should ever launch with that few units. What happened at that store in Japan is exactly what I've been expecting to happen since we learned how few units were available.

[Evilhead]

There is a way to launch such a small number of units that could've avoided the huge mess in Kotaku's article. If Sony had simply doubled the price on the first shipment of PS3s, they would make more money, discourage scalping, and weed out a large number of people who would otherwise wait in line.

Yeah, and how much shit would Sony get if they pulled that off? It's a free market. Sony is selling the console at a loss, for much less than it's market value as seen by auctions. Yet people still say it's too expensive...

[megadave]

It's only too expensive if you're poor like me. If you got the money, then it's no problem.

[The Author]

And during the auctions, no games will be sold.

If you assume 50% of the PS3 will end up on ebay ( a realistic number concidering how much money some people made with the PS2 and the fact that many people will try to imitate that ), it just means that their 500 000 units market will be at around 250 000 for the first 2 to 3 weeks. Assuming sony makes a net profit of around 10$ a game, and that everyone who buys a PS3 would buy 2 games, this would mean that instead of getting 10 000 000$ in profit it would be 5 000 000$. If they lose more than 10$ a console, they are still not close to cutting it. Assuming they lose about 100$ a console, the PS3 business caused a loss of 50 000 000$ witrhout concidering the marketing costs. And it would imply that to rentabilise consoles, everyone would have to buy 10 games / blue ray DVDs.

They do make another unaccounted profit on the blue ray production, but seeing as movies are not yet sold in blue ray format, I doubt this is a real factor.

[Avoli]

They do make another unaccounted profit on the blue ray production, but seeing as movies are not yet sold in blue ray format, I doubt this is a real factor.

Best Buy has been selling BR and HD DVDs for awhile now. And to be honest, I cant tell too much of a difference.

[sgx]

Yeah, awesome for a while. Then people realized how slowly it burned music compared to every new devices that did it much faster. But I hated burning anything onto discs five or six years ago. Always a pain. CDs, mini-dics, it doesn't matter.

Well, there were the ones that wrote at 1x (really they just recorded in realtime), but after that with the NetMD's, they wrote between 16x and 64x depending on the model. I could fill up the disc with 2.5 hours of music in about 15 minutes I think. And even the slow ones back then, they were still MUCH tinier than any CD player. Probably the first portable audio player people could fit in their pockets. Even once Ipods came out, back when it was still like $400 for the 10gb, the NetMD that could fit 2.5 or 5 hours on a $2 disc(depending on audio quality) was a great, much cheaper alternative. I think they were super cool. nyah!

UMD is cool too, for portable games. Putting the disc part in plastic casing is a great idea.

[Sir_NutS]

From what I read in an article at ign, the software ratio for the ps3 launch was below one game per console, this means that lots of this consoles are being bought for the sole purpose of being sold later at an auction site to gain profit out of it, which of course doesn't benefits sony at all.

But yeah, the ps3 is expensive for people who have a tight budget like some of us, in our case all that is left is to wait for price drops. This topic is, quite frankly, old and unnecesary. If you look at it this way, sony is practically giving away their product. A blu-ray player costs around 1000 dollars and they are giving you one plus a hard drive, controllers, and the most powerful console around for 600$ (that supports the highest output to date, 1080p). I can't afford it right now, and for me its too damn expensive but its because I look at it from the console perspective and for me, 600$ is too much for just a console. But if you look at it from the media center side of things, it doesn't looks that expensive.

Sony is betting a lot on the ps3, it's true, but there is still a lot of time left until we see if they were doing the right thing.

On another note, their arrogance is as charming and readily avaliable as always: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745506p1.html

[Bigfoot]

There is a way to launch such a small number of units that could've avoided the huge mess in Kotaku's article. If Sony had simply doubled the price on the first shipment of PS3s, they would make more money, discourage scalping, and weed out a large number of people who would otherwise wait in line.

Yeah, and how much shit would Sony get if they pulled that off? It's a free market. Sony is selling the console at a loss, for much less than it's market value as seen by auctions. Yet people still say it's too expensive...


It's expensive to people who just want to play games and could care less about blu-ray. The Xbox360 is giving you the option to get a seperate HD-DVD player add-on. Sony is forcing it on you by including it into the system, thus making it more expensive.


From what I read in an article at ign, the software ratio for the ps3 launch was below one game per console, this means that lots of this consoles are being bought for the sole purpose of being sold later at an auction site to gain profit out of it, which of course doesn't benefits sony at all.

But yeah, the ps3 is expensive for people who have a tight budget like some of us, in our case all that is left is to wait for price drops. This topic is, quite frankly, old and unnecesary. If you look at it this way, sony is practically giving away their product. A blu-ray player costs around 1000 dollars and they are giving you one plus a hard drive, controllers, and the most powerful console around for 600$ (that supports the highest output to date, 1080p). I can't afford it right now, and for me its too damn expensive but its because I look at it from the console perspective and for me, 600$ is too much for just a console. But if you look at it from the media center side of things, it doesn't looks that expensive.

Sony is betting a lot on the ps3, it's true, but there is still a lot of time left until we see if they were doing the right thing.

On another note, their arrogance is as charming and readily avaliable as always: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745506p1.html


"Sony's PR department pointed out that it, from the start, expected backwards compatibility to be less than 100%. It was also good enough to point out that some people can put up with playing games that lack sound."

lol... Instead of making that arrogant remark, he could have just said "We'll issue a patch to fix this problem".

[Bigfoot]

Burbank Best Buy campers removed (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/ps3-campers-removed-from-burbank-best-buy-214082.php)

lol, sucks to be them. What a waste of days.

[JoeFu]

Maddox has finally updated his site and his new rant is about Sony.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sony_bullshit

[linkspast]

Burbank Best Buy campers removed (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/ps3-campers-removed-from-burbank-best-buy-214082.php)

lol, sucks to be them. What a waste of days.

Awesome. I bet they were pissed.

[Bigfoot]

Burbank Best Buy campers removed (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/ps3-campers-removed-from-burbank-best-buy-214082.php)

lol, sucks to be them. What a waste of days.

Awesome. I bet they were pissed.

I'd sue. In this world I bet they'd win too. They're going to have to put those signs up every time something big comes out that involves lines.