Sony PS3

[Bahamut]

Burbank Best Buy campers removed (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/ps3-campers-removed-from-burbank-best-buy-214082.php)

lol, sucks to be them. What a waste of days.

Awesome. I bet they were pissed.

I'd sue. In this world I bet they'd win too. They're going to have to put those signs up every time something big comes out that involves lines.

It's dick, but Best Buy has every right, it's their property.

[The Author]

A bunch of smelly geeks in front of your doors is never good for business.

Good work for best buy. The customer is king only when he is not an asshat.

[Bigfoot]

I'm curious as to what they said though. They probably yelled what every customer that leaves unhappy says

"FUCK BEST BUY"

"DON'T BUY AT BEST BUY"

"BEST BUY IS A RIP-OFF"

[I-n-j-i-n]

It's expensive to people who just want to play games and could care less about blu-ray. The Xbox360 is giving you the option to get a seperate HD-DVD player add-on. Sony is forcing it on you by including it into the system, thus making it more expensive.

Oxymoron. That's what that comment is. So what about the people who DO want Bluray? What about those who actually want HD content? You can't just use the 'people who don't care' argument. People tend to care about stuff they buy. Duh.

[Bigfoot]

It's expensive to people who just want to play games and could care less about blu-ray. The Xbox360 is giving you the option to get a seperate HD-DVD player add-on. Sony is forcing it on you by including it into the system, thus making it more expensive.

Oxymoron. That's what that comment is. So what about the people who DO want Bluray? What about those who actually want HD content? You can't just use the 'people who don't care' argument. People tend to care about stuff they buy. Duh.


That's why I didn't say "Everyone doesn't care about Blu-Ray".

It's expensive to people who don't care about Blu-Ray.

It's just right for people who want to take advantage of Blu-Ray.


That better for you? :p

[Vivi_Rules_Pie]

Burbank Best Buy campers removed (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/ps3-campers-removed-from-burbank-best-buy-214082.php)

lol, sucks to be them. What a waste of days.

Awesome. I bet they were pissed.

I'd sue. In this world I bet they'd win too. They're going to have to put those signs up every time something big comes out that involves lines.

It's dick, but Best Buy has every right, it's their property.

It just sucks that they didnt tell them that when they started lining up. Its like hehe, wouldnt it be funny if we let them sit there for a couple days and then kick them out.

But still, they're idiots to want to spend 11 days waiting in front of best buy.

[Bigfoot]

If you're selling your PS3 on eBay, I sure hope you didn't get your pre-order from Gamestop. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/13/gamestop-cannot-fill-ps3-preorders/) You may not even get one.

[Bahamut]

So it looks like Sony is letting you remove and upgrade the hard drive if you wish to (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4908)

[atmuh]

We STILL have no idea what we are getting at Game Crazy. My boss thinks it's because we're getting so few and Corporate is afraid to tell us.

[Evilhead]

So it looks like Sony is letting you remove and upgrade the hard drive if you wish to (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4908)

AWESOME. For those of you who can't find it in the big article:

What's different from Microsoft's implementation is that the hard drive is easily accessible via a special compartment on the console. Just a flip of the lid and a removal of a few screws is all that's required to separate the hard drive from the system. What's even more interesting is that Sony explicitly states in its Safety and Support manual that the system will accept any 2.5" SATA hard drive, which will eliminate any user cries of storage limitations like what Xbox 360 owners are experiencing. People getting (or stuck with) the 20GB version of the PlayStation 3 could easily upgrade to a drive that would surpass its more expensive older brother. This also opens up the opportunity of upgrading to a faster, 7200 RPM drive. At DailyTech, we've already attempted to use a 3.5" 320GB hard drive (with some creative cabling), and had no problem utilizing the new drive.

The process in changing to another SATA drive is remarkably simple. All one needs to do in install the new hard drive in the reverse manner of removing it, and the system will alert the user on boot-up that a new drive is detected and needs to be formatted. After the format, the system fully recognizes the change in storage space and moves along with nary a hitch.


This is good news. The 20 gig still lacks WiFi, but for the extra $100 you can get a LOT more storage space if you buy it yourself. In fact I just bought a replacement 2.5" hard drive for my laptop yesterday. 120 gig 7200rpm drive for about $100. With that amount of space you could put your whole collection of games on there for easy and fast loading.

[Bahamut]

So it looks like Sony is letting you remove and upgrade the hard drive if you wish to (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4908)

AWESOME. For those of you who can't find it in the big article:

What's different from Microsoft's implementation is that the hard drive is easily accessible via a special compartment on the console. Just a flip of the lid and a removal of a few screws is all that's required to separate the hard drive from the system. What's even more interesting is that Sony explicitly states in its Safety and Support manual that the system will accept any 2.5" SATA hard drive, which will eliminate any user cries of storage limitations like what Xbox 360 owners are experiencing. People getting (or stuck with) the 20GB version of the PlayStation 3 could easily upgrade to a drive that would surpass its more expensive older brother. This also opens up the opportunity of upgrading to a faster, 7200 RPM drive. At DailyTech, we've already attempted to use a 3.5" 320GB hard drive (with some creative cabling), and had no problem utilizing the new drive.

The process in changing to another SATA drive is remarkably simple. All one needs to do in install the new hard drive in the reverse manner of removing it, and the system will alert the user on boot-up that a new drive is detected and needs to be formatted. After the format, the system fully recognizes the change in storage space and moves along with nary a hitch.


This is good news. The 20 gig still lacks WiFi, but for the extra $100 you can get a LOT more storage space if you buy it yourself. In fact I just bought a replacement 2.5" hard drive for my laptop yesterday. 120 gig 7200rpm drive for about $100. With that amount of space you could put your whole collection of games on there for easy and fast loading.

Yeah, with a faster read time and more space, this could be excellent news for the PS3 - paying $100 more or so is not a problem if you're giving a potential boost in performance (i.e. with the hard drive loading of games), especially if you invest $600 in the PS3. Kudos to Sony for this.

[SilverStar]

Here's what would really be the make or break deal with the PS3.. could you swap out the Blu-Ray drive with a faster model, at a later date?

If so, then with being able to replace the hard drive with a much larger, faster laptop SATA drive, and being able to upgrade the BD drive with something much faster, as well as being able to install the inevitable custom created Gentoo and use it as a real, very powerful computer WITH heavy gaming performance.. then yeah, it might be worth it. At 450 bucks, for the premium one, even. Reason for that price, is just because of the cost of the upgrades.

But right now, just as a gaming machine, it doesn't really interest me. As a computer, if I had a board with a PCI-E slot, it'd be a toss up between that and a GeForce 8800 GTX.

[Evilhead]

Here's what would really be the make or break deal with the PS3.. could you swap out the Blu-Ray drive with a faster model, at a later date?

If so, then with being able to replace the hard drive with a much larger, faster laptop SATA drive, and being able to upgrade the BD drive with something much faster, as well as being able to install the inevitable custom created Gentoo and use it as a real, very powerful computer WITH heavy gaming performance.. then yeah, it might be worth it. At 450 bucks, for the premium one, even. Reason for that price, is just because of the cost of the upgrades.

But right now, just as a gaming machine, it doesn't really interest me. As a computer, if I had a board with a PCI-E slot, it'd be a toss up between that and a GeForce 8800 GTX.

Yeah, if you want to do that much upgrading I'd say stick with a PC. You don't get quite the amount of software for the PC, especially from Japanese game companies, but you'll have a kick ass machine for FPS's and whatnot. Still, the ability to put a high capacity high speed drive in the PS3 pretty much negates the need for a faster blu-ray drive. Since most of the game will already be loaded to the HD, you'll only really be using the blu-ray drive to verify the fact that you actually have the game and for viewing movies (which don't benefit from having a faster drive speed to my knowledge).

And I'm sure with the HD included there will eventually be some softmodding for the PS3 that allows you to run an OS, emus, homebrews etc. Imagine the emulation potential for the PS3 with a huge HD and it's computing power. You could probably emulate just about anything at 100%, aside from maybe Xbox games. Plus you wouldn't have to mess with discs, you could just have craploads of games on your HD available for at times.

[fulloutcrawl]

meijer's (a 24 hour super store) is going to have a few ps3's and release at midnight.

How many hrs. do you think I need to wait?

should I get in line:
24 hrs. before?
36 hrs. before?
12 hrs. before?


input please. I'm in suburbs of Detroit.

I was thinking along the lines of about 20 hours, getting in line at about 4am on Thursday.

I understand that If i'm not one of the very first three people there that i'll be wasting my time. So that is all that matters to me.

[The Damned]

Detroit? I'd bring a gun or baseball bat, regardless of the length of time you spend out front of the store.

You might want to wait a week or so after launch. By then, they should have more units shipped, you'll be aware of any issues with the system and games, and you won't have to fight people off for it.

Seriously, just wait a bit. Having it right away isn't going to make it any better than having it a month from now.

[fulloutcrawl]

Hey man thx for reply-but,

first of all, it's SUBURBS of detroit, so plz don't worry about me, I'll be just fine ;)

second, the money is not an issue, i'm fortunate like that

third, the time is not an issue, i'm also fortunate like that



getting one to play THIS weekend is key.

any input is appreciated. currently thinking 20 hours...if anybody has a good reason I should consider otherwise, I'd love to hear it because I'm new at this.

[Zaid]

You're kidding? I don't think they'll restock in a month. It's going to be well into the next year before we see a surge of supply of PS3's.

I would say 20 hours is perfect.

[The Mutericator]

flame flame flame troll troll troll

ps3 sux lol

...

Is it working? Are my flames catching light?

[Bahamut]

So which other OCRers are smart enough to camp out for a PS3 like me? I'm going to camp in about 24 hours from this post...should be an exhausting experience, considering that I have to travel for possibly 12 hours on Friday, and a time zone change to boot.

[atmuh]

I got out of a conference call with CONFIDENTIAL info about how many PS3s game crazy is overal getting and it's pretty funny.

[The Damned]

"You're only getting four," funny, or "you're getting twenty, but you have to do a dance-off to get them" funny?

[Kitsuta]

Probably you're only getting four (http://www.eurogamer.net/forum_thread_posts.php?thread_id=68090&forum_id=1) funny.

[Bahamut]

Wow, I better get to Walmart ASAP tomorrow.

[atmuh]

I might as well say. The whole chain (around 715 stores) is getting 1,300 TOTAL. That figures to less than 2 per store. We'll probably get one (hopefully they'll send us one) since we were one of the worst Sony selling stores in our district.


HA


HA


HA

[SilverStar]

SONY LOL!!!

Sorry. Had to. Sony's become an even bigger joke than Thompson.

(Dates may be slightly off, but it's close to correct)

E3: 2 million units, global launch.

August: Euro dropped until next year, 2 million units.

Sept: 1 Million..

Oct: 500K

Nov: 200K, "globally".

And to think.. of those 200K total units, there won't even be 200K PS3 games sold for at least another few weeks, because a good 60% of those units will end up on ebay or something, to turn a huge buck.

And the people who still say Sony will have close to a million units by the end of the year? Sony's been producing for 3 months to get THIS many units. 750K by Dec 31 just isn't going to happen.

[Bahamut]

Good for me then :D .

[Evilhead]

So which other OCRers are smart enough to camp out for a PS3 like me? I'm going to camp in about 24 hours from this post...should be an exhausting experience, considering that I have to travel for possibly 12 hours on Friday, and a time zone change to boot.

Wow, seems like you really want that PS3! Good luck getting it! Bring your DS and a lot of games, and maybe a good book.

[Zaid]

So which other OCRers are smart enough to camp out for a PS3 like me? I'm going to camp in about 24 hours from this post...should be an exhausting experience, considering that I have to travel for possibly 12 hours on Friday, and a time zone change to boot.

Wow, seems like you really want that PS3! Good luck getting it! Bring your DS and a lot of games, and maybe a good book.

I think you meant to say, "He really wants to sell a PS3 for a hefty profit." Good luck to you Bahamut. I am waiting in the same boat, starting tomorrow night most likely.

[watkinzez]

So which other OCRers are smart enough to camp out for a PS3 like me? I'm going to camp in about 24 hours from this post...should be an exhausting experience, considering that I have to travel for possibly 12 hours on Friday, and a time zone change to boot.

So we will have a voice of reason on OCR. Whew..

[Evilhead]

So which other OCRers are smart enough to camp out for a PS3 like me? I'm going to camp in about 24 hours from this post...should be an exhausting experience, considering that I have to travel for possibly 12 hours on Friday, and a time zone change to boot.

Wow, seems like you really want that PS3! Good luck getting it! Bring your DS and a lot of games, and maybe a good book.

I think you meant to say, "He really wants to sell a PS3 for a hefty profit." Good luck to you Bahamut. I am waiting in the same boat, starting tomorrow night most likely.

But he still wants it badly enough. Although you could just work regular hours and make that much money, but if you have free time it would be a good way to make a buck. I'd rather have the PS3 though.

[Zaid]

It all depends on how one rationalizes the situation. To me selling a PS3 for a possible 2 to 3 grand outweights my desire to have one.

I hate to admit it, I am exicted for the Wii. Though the PS3 will take the awards in a year, but untill then, its not worth passing up a few grand.

[JoeFu]

If I was lucky enough to get one at launch, I would still sell it. The possibility of 2 to 3 thousands dollars is great. With that money you could just buy another PS3 down the road and a nice sized TV to go with it.

[Bahamut]

So which other OCRers are smart enough to camp out for a PS3 like me? I'm going to camp in about 24 hours from this post...should be an exhausting experience, considering that I have to travel for possibly 12 hours on Friday, and a time zone change to boot.

Wow, seems like you really want that PS3! Good luck getting it! Bring your DS and a lot of games, and maybe a good book.

I think you meant to say, "He really wants to sell a PS3 for a hefty profit." Good luck to you Bahamut. I am waiting in the same boat, starting tomorrow night most likely.

But he still wants it badly enough. Although you could just work regular hours and make that much money, but if you have free time it would be a good way to make a buck. I'd rather have the PS3 though.

Well, just my whole traveling back and forth between my grad school and home (as well as MAGFest) is going to cost me a hefty $800-1000 or so at the end of the year, so I could use whatever money I can get from selling PS3(s). If I'm lucky enough to get my hands on another PS3, then I may buy a PS3 & HDTV in the summer. However, I can't get a regular job as a grad student because my #1 goal is to do well enough so that I can get funding for next semester - that means I get a tuition waiver and some form of TAship, which saves me ~$15000 for just that semester alone. This PS3 reselling is helping me get by until then.

[The Damned]

You want a PS3? Talk to this guy (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/14/some-dude-is-reselling-100-ps3s-gonna-get-paid/).

I think someone robbed a shipment or something. That, or he just has the boxes.

[Bahamut]

You want a PS3? Talk to this guy (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/14/some-dude-is-reselling-100-ps3s-gonna-get-paid/).

I think someone robbed a shipment or something. That, or he just has the boxes.

Or he was one of those people who payed chinese people to wait in line for a PS3.

[Bobwillis]

I've always wondered why you can resell a console but can't sell a coke from a six-pack or a box of cereal from an assorted 8-pack.

[The Damned]

Either way, lots of people are going to be paying him for his PS3s. I wonder how long it will be before claims of being ripped off come up.

More importantly, I wonder how Sony will treat him if he sells them to European customers.

[JoeFu]

Either way, lots of people are going to be paying him for his PS3s. I wonder how long it will be before claims of being ripped off come up.

More importantly, I wonder how Sony will treat him if he sells them to European customers.

Their going to CLOSE HIS WEBSITE!

[TheCatPhysician]

So which other OCRers are smart enough to camp out for a PS3 like me? I'm going to camp in about 24 hours from this post...should be an exhausting experience, considering that I have to travel for possibly 12 hours on Friday, and a time zone change to boot.GZC and I are going to Anchorage in a couple days to camp out and/or wait in line for midnight launches for Wiis and PS3s. We're selling the PS3s though, and GZC is also selling his Wii to buy another later, if they sell for enough to make decent profit on eBay.

[mDuo13]

So which other OCRers are smart enough to camp out for a PS3 like me? I'm going to camp in about 24 hours from this post...should be an exhausting experience, considering that I have to travel for possibly 12 hours on Friday, and a time zone change to boot.

Wow, seems like you really want that PS3! Good luck getting it! Bring your DS and a lot of games, and maybe a good book.

I think you meant to say, "He really wants to sell a PS3 for a hefty profit." Good luck to you Bahamut. I am waiting in the same boat, starting tomorrow night most likely.

But he still wants it badly enough. Although you could just work regular hours and make that much money, but if you have free time it would be a good way to make a buck. I'd rather have the PS3 though.

I am starting to wonder how many PS3s are not getting sold on eBay...

If you don't wanna camp out waaaay ahead of time, though, just think of it this way: you are getting paid a lot of money to sit back and play your PS2 for another month. (That's assuming Sony can put out within a month, though, which is dubious.)

[Gollgagh]

So which other OCRers are smart enough to camp out for a PS3 like me? I'm going to camp in about 24 hours from this post...should be an exhausting experience, considering that I have to travel for possibly 12 hours on Friday, and a time zone change to boot.GZC and I are going to Anchorage in a couple days to camp out and/or wait in line for midnight launches for Wiis and PS3s. We're selling the PS3s though, and GZC is also selling his Wii to buy another later, if they sell for enough to make decent profit on eBay.

I miss Giga.

[Evilhead]

Two or three thousand dollars? Please. I'm sure PS3s will sell for over a thousand though, and a $400 dollar profit isn't bad. But if I camped out all night to have a PS3, you'd be sure as hell I would keep the damn thing. A few hundred bucks isn't worth sitting in the cold for 20 hours to me, but I guess it is for some people.

[The Author]

Auctions... (http://video-games.search.ebay.com/PS3_Video-Games_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8QQsacatZ1249QQsubmitsearch ZSearch)

[TheCatPhysician]

Well if you get one at a midnight launch, you might not have to wait in the cold, at least not the whole time. Also, I'm pretty sure you can make more than a few hundred bucks. Preorders alone on eBay have been going for up to $2000 for a while now.

[atmuh]

Two or three thousand dollars? Please. I'm sure PS3s will sell for over a thousand though, and a $400 dollar profit isn't bad. But if I camped out all night to have a PS3, you'd be sure as hell I would keep the damn thing. A few hundred bucks isn't worth sitting in the cold for 20 hours to me, but I guess it is for some people.

It isn't that cold actually...

[Evilhead]

Two or three thousand dollars? Please. I'm sure PS3s will sell for over a thousand though, and a $400 dollar profit isn't bad. But if I camped out all night to have a PS3, you'd be sure as hell I would keep the damn thing. A few hundred bucks isn't worth sitting in the cold for 20 hours to me, but I guess it is for some people.

It isn't that cold actually...

Ah, it's just been chilly where I'm at lately. Good luck to all of those trying to get the systems though. I don't think I could stand waiting in line that long.

[Bahamut]

Two or three thousand dollars? Please. I'm sure PS3s will sell for over a thousand though, and a $400 dollar profit isn't bad. But if I camped out all night to have a PS3, you'd be sure as hell I would keep the damn thing. A few hundred bucks isn't worth sitting in the cold for 20 hours to me, but I guess it is for some people.

It isn't that cold actually...

Ah, it's just been chilly where I'm at lately. Good luck to all of those trying to get the systems though. I don't think I could stand waiting in line that long.

Some are going for over $2000 here and I'm sure the console will probably hit $3000 after launch once people realize that it's even harder to get than they thought.

[Zaid]

To the one who linked the auctions. Those pre-sales are of course going for almost nothing, especially with the current news of reserves not being met, and cut supply. I wouldn't bid a penny on them either.

Just watch the hype machine work its magic once everyone realizes they are impossible to get a hold of.

[Nec5]

Will it approach Tickle Me Elmo proportions? :lol:

[Bahamut]

Will it approach Tickle Me Elmo proportions? :lol:

It did go for $18 million on it's first day in Japan.

[fulloutcrawl]

thanks for feedback guys, all that's left to do is make sure i go to a location that is getting at least one, because i'll be first in line, i'm going to go start waiting tonight so that'd be 24+ hours.


boohoo, sleep deprivation, i get all next week off to play my ps3 until my eyes fall out...and i don't have to pay ridiculous auction price for it.

time is money, i'm spending time, not money.

so then it's settled.
24+ hours is the solution.

[Evilhead]

thanks for feedback guys, all that's left to do is make sure i go to a location that is getting at least one, because i'll be first in line, i'm going to go start waiting tonight so that'd be 24+ hours.


boohoo, sleep deprivation, i get all next week off to play my ps3 until my eyes fall out...and i don't have to pay ridiculous auction price for it.

time is money, i'm spending time, not money.

so then it's settled.
24+ hours is the solution.

Hey man, at least you are keeping it. That's some dedication right there. Good luck and I hope you can get one. I'd like to see more people actually using the system rather than selling it to make a quick buck.

[JoeFu]

Hahaha, Taiwan got 500 PS3s for launch.... FIVE HUNDRED!!!

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746200p1.html

[Sir_NutS]

Hahaha, Taiwan got 500 PS3s for launch.... FIVE HUNDRED!!!

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746200p1.html

hahaha oh man, what the fuck?

EDIT: I mean.. if taht's Taiwan, I wonder how many are going to be shipped to central and south america, 1 for peru, one for colombia, one for puerto rico, and a half a ps3 to the Dominican Republic.

[Nec5]

This will sound ignorant because it is. Could someone explain the deal with the backwards compatibility of the PS3? I read that somewhere near 200 games do not work with the PS3(during the Japan launch). Sony claims they will "fix" it and someone mentions "firmware". What does this mean in practical layman terms? If I buy a PS3 a year from now, will it be fully backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 games out of the box?

I have a bad feeling your answer at this point will be "I don't know". :( Thanks in advance for any clarification; I often get lost amidst all the techno-talk.

[megadave]

This will sound ignorant because it is. Could someone explain the deal with the backwards compatibility of the PS3? I read that somewhere near 200 games do not work with the PS3(during the Japan launch). Sony claims they will "fix" it and someone mentions "firmware". What does this mean in practical layman terms? If I buy a PS3 a year from now, will it be fully backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 games out of the box?

I have a bad feeling your answer at this point will be "I don't know". :( Thanks in advance for any clarification; I often get lost amidst all the techno-talk.

Don't worry, they'll have it fixed before you get one.

[linkspast]

Hahaha, Taiwan got 500 PS3s for launch.... FIVE HUNDRED!!!

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746200p1.html

hahaha oh man, what the fuck?

EDIT: I mean.. if taht's Taiwan, I wonder how many are going to be shipped to central and south america, 1 for peru, one for colombia, one for puerto rico, and a half a ps3 to the Dominican Republic.

If you managed to get a ps3 in some country like Columbia or some place like that you would get shout if any one found out you had one.

[Evilhead]

This will sound ignorant because it is. Could someone explain the deal with the backwards compatibility of the PS3? I read that somewhere near 200 games do not work with the PS3(during the Japan launch). Sony claims they will "fix" it and someone mentions "firmware". What does this mean in practical layman terms? If I buy a PS3 a year from now, will it be fully backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 games out of the box?

No one can say for sure, but I'd say that within a year they will have the compatibility to 100%. Seems like there is some bug in there that the next firmware update should fix, which is basically a downloadable (or present on game discs) upgrade like Windows updater.

[Bahamut]

So, this year stores are fucking over campers because the shipment numbers are so low - I was camping Walmart, until management changed their mind and said that 8 pm is the national Walmart campout time for PS3, with there being only 2 PS3s at the store (which suggests a raffle). I almost got my hands on a PS3 at a raffle for the 24 hour camping spot from Meijer tonight (3 60 GB PS3s, and 1 20 GB PS3), but I was 2 away. I'm going to try my hand at a Walmart tomorrow night, but the number of people who are willing to camp is staggering - almost all of the people are camping for ebay selling too. At the Meijer, there were over 130 people there for the raffle for the right to camp out. At the Best Buy across the street, there were probably over 15 people with tents camping out. This is so ridiculous.

[Vivi_Rules_Pie]

I stopped by Best Buy today to scope out the area, and there were about 20-30 people camping out. The first three in line said they had started at around lunch time on tuesday. Crazy stuff... The best part was that almost all of them were huddled over their DS's.

[Bahamut]

I stopped by Best Buy today to scope out the area, and there were about 20-30 people camping out. The first three in line said they had started at around lunch time on tuesday. Crazy stuff... The best part was that almost all of them were huddled over their DS's.

A bunch of us were playing multiplayer Tetris :D . At least I met some people there. One of the guys I met nailed a 20 GB PS3 spot. 1 person also had a PSP, although mine is in NY, and another had a modded slim PS2 with an LCD screen.

[The Dennis]

12 people sitting outside the Target I work at when I left last night.

We're only getting 10 PS3s. Awesome.

[Bahamut]

12 people sitting outside the Target I work at when I left last night.

We're only getting 10 PS3s. Awesome.

How are stores like Target getting a lot more than Walmart anyway? 2 PS3s for a big Walmart, what gives?

[Evilhead]

12 people sitting outside the Target I work at when I left last night.

We're only getting 10 PS3s. Awesome.

How are stores like Target getting a lot more than Walmart anyway? 2 PS3s for a big Walmart, what gives?

Revenge for all the GTA bullshit?

[Ceiphied]

This will sound ignorant because it is. Could someone explain the deal with the backwards compatibility of the PS3? I read that somewhere near 200 games do not work with the PS3(during the Japan launch). Sony claims they will "fix" it and someone mentions "firmware". What does this mean in practical layman terms? If I buy a PS3 a year from now, will it be fully backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 games out of the box?

I have a bad feeling your answer at this point will be "I don't know". :( Thanks in advance for any clarification; I often get lost amidst all the techno-talk.

The trick is that the main processor of the PS2 is included in the PS3. Unfortunately, they're not including the chip that did the sound processing, so they have to write software to mimic its functions. And that software isn't 100% complete yet.

I'm not getting a PS3 (ever; I'm avoiding Sony products. Never got a PS2 either.), but I'm reasonably confident that Sony is working on this problem. However, they -never- got the sound quite right for PS1 games on the PS2, so I wouldn't expect perfection. [disagree? compare FFT music between the two systems. There's a difference]

[Ninja-san]

I feel sorry for the people who are outside in those lines on the Atlantic coast. Its like hell coming form the sky right now.

[The Damned]

I feel sorry for the people who are outside in those lines on the Atlantic coast. Its like hell coming form the sky right now.
So it's nice and warm?

[Kitsuta]

Interesting read.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11740

EDIT: Also, Sony's reasoning behind their ads on crack. :P

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11728

[Ninja-san]

I feel sorry for the people who are outside in those lines on the Atlantic coast. Its like hell coming form the sky right now.
So it's nice and warm?

Haha no more like blinding wind, Hail and lighting oh and forgot about rain too. Sun would be nice right now tho

[Nec5]

Interesting read.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11740Thanks for posting these links.
Also impressive to iSuppli is the level of engineering that's gone into the console. "To give an example of how cutting-edge the design is," says Rassweiler, "in the entire history of the iSuppli Teardown Analysis team, we have seen only three semiconductors with 1,200 or more pins. The PlayStation 3 has three such semiconductors all by itself.”I like how this impresses me even though I'm ignorant of every single detail.
Like most people,
A.I have never heard of iSuppli
B.I have no idea how long the "entire history of the iSuppli Teardown Analysis team" indicates.
C. 3 semiconductors? With 1,200 or more pins? Impressive?!

I wish we'd go back to simpler terminology (like the inaccurate MBs for games), but that is unlikely.

Is it still a fair summary to say that in terms of technological output(I guess we can say this means graphics and memory achievements) the PS3>XBOX360>Wii?

[megadave]

Someone needs to do something about all these damn price gouging ebay people.

[Bigfoot]

Someone needs to do something about all these damn price gouging ebay people.

It'd be nice if it were possible. Some lame older gentleman was on the news. They asked him if he was keeping it or selling it. He had the most stupid smile on his face "I'm just here to get it so I can sell it. It's all about the money".

He probably doesn't own one gaming system, and probably just heard about the PS3 from friends or something.

[Bahamut]

Someone needs to do something about all these damn price gouging ebay people.

It'd be nice if it were possible. Some lame older gentleman was on the news. They asked him if he was keeping it or selling it. He had the most stupid smile on his face "I'm just here to get it so I can sell it. It's all about the money".

He probably doesn't own one gaming system, and probably just heard about the PS3 from friends or something.

And these are people who probably visit Fatwallet.com or so. From what I've seen with the camping though, many of the resellers are college/grad students.

[megadave]

Someone needs to do something about all these damn price gouging ebay people.

It'd be nice if it were possible. Some lame older gentleman was on the news. They asked him if he was keeping it or selling it. He had the most stupid smile on his face "I'm just here to get it so I can sell it. It's all about the money".

He probably doesn't own one gaming system, and probably just heard about the PS3 from friends or something.

And these are people who probably visit Fatwallet.com or so. From what I've seen with the camping though, many of the resellers are college/grad students.

I'd probably spit on one of them.

[Bahamut]

Someone needs to do something about all these damn price gouging ebay people.

It'd be nice if it were possible. Some lame older gentleman was on the news. They asked him if he was keeping it or selling it. He had the most stupid smile on his face "I'm just here to get it so I can sell it. It's all about the money".

He probably doesn't own one gaming system, and probably just heard about the PS3 from friends or something.

And these are people who probably visit Fatwallet.com or so. From what I've seen with the camping though, many of the resellers are college/grad students.

I'd probably spit on one of them.

Hey, if people are willing to spend over $3000 on a PS3 like they're doing now, then the money would go to a better purpose with a college/grad student than them.

[!Nekko!]

This just happened within the 2 minutes I was checking out ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-SYSTEM-PREORDER_W0QQitemZ270054974671QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Bigfoot]

This just happened within the 2 minutes I was checking out ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-SYSTEM-PREORDER_W0QQitemZ270054974671QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


There's no way that deal will go through. No way. People aren't THAT stupid.

[Bahamut]

This just happened within the 2 minutes I was checking out ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-SYSTEM-PREORDER_W0QQitemZ270054974671QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


There's no way that deal will go through. No way. People aren't THAT stupid.

There have been people fake bidding the auctions up today. These douches are a bit ridiculous.

[Evilhead]

Man, all this eBay shit is annoying. It's going to turn out that only extremely rich people are going to end up with one until more are released. Unless the ultimate happens and since so many people are planning to sell PS3s on the net that they actually don't go up much in price.

GG to all the fake bidders, though. I'm tempted to do it myself.

[Bahamut]

True, some of the sellers are a bit ridiculous. For an example, this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PRE-SALE-SHIPS-OVERNIGHT-11-17_W0QQitemZ120053000094QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).

MY FAMILY WAS FIRST IN LINE AND RECEIVED ALL 7 OF THE PS3 PRE-ORDERS THAT THE STORE HAD. THIS IS 1 OF 7 THAT I AM GUARANTEED! IF FOR ANY REASON SONY DELAYS SHIPMENT YOU WILL HAVE THE CHOICE OF WAITING OR GETTING A FULL MONEY BACK GUARANTEE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO E-MAIL ME, AND GOOD LUCK!!!!

What a douchebag.

[The Author]

Welcome to PSDouche land.

[Evilhead]

True, some of the sellers are a bit ridiculous. For an example, this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PRE-SALE-SHIPS-OVERNIGHT-11-17_W0QQitemZ120053000094QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).

MY FAMILY WAS FIRST IN LINE AND RECEIVED ALL 7 OF THE PS3 PRE-ORDERS THAT THE STORE HAD. THIS IS 1 OF 7 THAT I AM GUARANTEED! IF FOR ANY REASON SONY DELAYS SHIPMENT YOU WILL HAVE THE CHOICE OF WAITING OR GETTING A FULL MONEY BACK GUARANTEE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO E-MAIL ME, AND GOOD LUCK!!!!

What a douchebag.

Seriously. What bullshit. I wish more stores would just raffle the damn things off. That way they at least have the CHANCE of getting into some gamers hands at retail price. Plus it would eliminate the need to camp out for days. Just show up for the raffle and see if you get one.

[megadave]

Someone needs to do something about all these damn price gouging ebay people.

It'd be nice if it were possible. Some lame older gentleman was on the news. They asked him if he was keeping it or selling it. He had the most stupid smile on his face "I'm just here to get it so I can sell it. It's all about the money".

He probably doesn't own one gaming system, and probably just heard about the PS3 from friends or something.

And these are people who probably visit Fatwallet.com or so. From what I've seen with the camping though, many of the resellers are college/grad students.

I'd probably spit on one of them.

Hey, if people are willing to spend over $3000 on a PS3 like they're doing now, then the money would go to a better purpose with a college/grad student than them.

Yeah, you're right, but they're still going to hell (if there is any justice in the world).

[Smoke]

This just happened within the 2 minutes I was checking out ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-SYSTEM-PREORDER_W0QQitemZ270054974671QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


There's no way that deal will go through. No way. People aren't THAT stupid.

The bidding history should say enough. Just look at the feedback.

[atmuh]

True, some of the sellers are a bit ridiculous. For an example, this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PRE-SALE-SHIPS-OVERNIGHT-11-17_W0QQitemZ120053000094QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).

MY FAMILY WAS FIRST IN LINE AND RECEIVED ALL 7 OF THE PS3 PRE-ORDERS THAT THE STORE HAD. THIS IS 1 OF 7 THAT I AM GUARANTEED! IF FOR ANY REASON SONY DELAYS SHIPMENT YOU WILL HAVE THE CHOICE OF WAITING OR GETTING A FULL MONEY BACK GUARANTEE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO E-MAIL ME, AND GOOD LUCK!!!!

What a douchebag.

Seriously. What bullshit. I wish more stores would just raffle the damn things off. That way they at least have the CHANCE of getting into some gamers hands at retail price. Plus it would eliminate the need to camp out for days. Just show up for the raffle and see if you get one.

At game crazy we are instructed to not honor any preorders but instead raffle the PS3s (all 2 of them) to our best customers who really want one and we know will play it and not sell it. We pretty much wont sell one without the person buying the service contract on it and some games so that guarantees that they aren't selling it.

[linkspast]

This just happened within the 2 minutes I was checking out ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-SYSTEM-PREORDER_W0QQitemZ270054974671QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



There's no way that deal will go through. No way. People aren't THAT stupid.

The bidding history should say enough. Just look at the feedback.
I bet its a fake account. No one with Zero feed back would do that.... well this is the internet.

[atmuh]

This just happened within the 2 minutes I was checking out ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-PS3-60GB-PREMIUM-SYSTEM-PREORDER_W0QQitemZ270054974671QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



There's no way that deal will go through. No way. People aren't THAT stupid.

The bidding history should say enough. Just look at the feedback.
I bet its a fake account. No one with Zero feed back would do that.... well this is the internet.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2006/09/captainobvious.jpg

[The Unsung Plumber]

I'll Bet the guy who did this was mad at the price gougers.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155304
If it was me, I would have used a 12 guage. :twisted:

And if you think about it,(me living in florida) they will hang people for jacking up the price of gas during a hurricane, But they won't do anything about this E-gouging.

[Kitsuta]

I'll Bet the guy who did this was mad at the price gougers.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155304
If it was me, I would have used a 12 guage. :twisted:

And if you think about it,(me living in florida) they will hang people for jacking up the price of gas during a hurricane, But they won't do anything about this E-gouging.

PS3: Non-essential, luxury item.

Gas: Essential item, especially when concerning generators.

Shooting at people for something like this goes above and beyond retarded. No one should get that worked up over a gaming system.

[Bahamut]

I'll Bet the guy who did this was mad at the price gougers.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155304
If it was me, I would have used a 12 guage. :twisted:

And if you think about it,(me living in florida) they will hang people for jacking up the price of gas during a hurricane, But they won't do anything about this E-gouging.

PS3: Non-essential, luxury item.

Gas: Essential item, especially when concerning generators.

Shooting at people for something like this goes above and beyond retarded. No one should get that worked up over a gaming system.

There have been fights over this, so I'm not surprised. One of my friends wanted to go throw water balloons actually.

[SilverStar]

"Do you have a response for people experiencing backwards compatibility issues and/or television upscaling problems?"



"I would like my car to fly and make me breakfast, but that's an unrealistic expectation."

- Jack Tretton, SCEA VP.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/sony-backward-compatability--flying-breakfast-car-215418.php

ELOHEL! See, this is why I love AND hate Sony.

[Mouser X]

For all those PS3s being sold on eBay, here's one that I find commendable:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMESC%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330050346981&rd=1&rd=1

For those who don't want to click the link, he's selling the PS3 for charity. This guy has been waiting in line since Monday, and got the first spot (no one else showed up until the next day). I've been watching his video blogs (on gamevideos.com). Some of them are pretty good, some of them are "meh," but I still think it's pretty cool what he's doing with it.

[ifirit]

I'll Bet the guy who did this was mad at the price gougers.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155304
If it was me, I would have used a 12 guage. :twisted:

And if you think about it,(me living in florida) they will hang people for jacking up the price of gas during a hurricane, But they won't do anything about this E-gouging.
This incident occurred just up the street from where I work, in Lexington, KY. And, to say the least, the incident was more than likely one of the many college students trying to ruffle some feathers for a brief moment of superiority. Incidents of this nature have been increasing this year as earlier today, a rapist who escaped police custody this morning in his underwear was recaptured in the same area as this shooting. Also, John O'Hurley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacopo_Peterman) appeared at a bookstore in the same area to sign his new book. Nick Griffin (http://www.nickgriffin.net/) is also performing tonight at a comedy club across the street. This place is a hellhole.

[Kitsuta]

For all those PS3s being sold on eBay, here's one that I find commendable:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMESC%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330050346981&rd=1&rd=1

For those who don't want to click the link, he's selling the PS3 for charity. This guy has been waiting in line since Monday, and got the first spot (no one else showed up until the next day). I've been watching his video blogs (on gamevideos.com). Some of them are pretty good, some of them are "meh," but I still think it's pretty cool what he's doing with it.

Best thing I've ever heard about the PS3.

Also, Child's Play is awesome.

[Atomicfog]

Well I went to a target at 8:00 AM, and after a about five or six hours of waiting their I discovered there were only eight PS3 units at the target I went to and I happened to be number nine in line...

I was actually number seven but two dicks were "reserving" spots for someone else who hadn't been there the whole day. Unfortunately the manager wouldn't do anything about it since the people made some retarded excuses saying that their cousin had to go to school; though I didn't expect the Target manager to do anything since Target sucks (Which is why I went there since I was much more likely to get one there and could have if I came the night before).
Whatever I guess I have to wait. It doesn't matter too much, but it would have been nice to get one.










I did however get to play the display model for about an hour and was really great (I played Motor Storm). I will tell you things I know now from having played it:

-Really badass and extremely precise motion control (at least it was in the driving game I played; it looks like they put much more effort into making the motion controller good than I would have thought.)

-The triggers on the back of the controller are even better than they look, I would say they are 98% as good as the triggers on the Xbox 360.

-The D-pad is actually much better. It is much less slippery and hard than a Playstation 2 controller, and it has a nice slight texture on it that adheres your thumb to the pad. It may seem like a small difference to some, but I was impressed.

-The game I played, Motor Storm had extremely awesome looking graphics, but it seemed to lack anti-aliasing which made things still pretty jaggy. I am guessing that this is the developers fault since I'm sure the PS3 can put up with a little bit of anti-aliasing.
One thing that stood out in the game it the fact that when you crash, your vehicle explodes, and you see all of the parts in the air; then it freezes fram and does a matrix effect around every miniscule part, it was great.

Anyhow, I wonder when the next shipment will be... January?

[Specter]

Okay, so I'm in kinda a dellema here. I'm almost guaranteed to get a PS3 at launch, and my original plan was to keep it in all it's $600 glory. However, after reading about these problems for the first gen consoles, and after my good computer imploded; I've been wondering if I should sell it on ebay and use the cash toward a new/better computer. Help plz?

[Bahamut]

Rumors have been saying January, or towards Christmas. Circuit City & TRU claim that they're getting another shipment before Christmas.

Edit: I say sell the PS3 Specter - you can always buy it later.

[Atomicfog]

Okay, so I'm in kinda a dellema here. I'm almost guaranteed to get a PS3 at launch, and my original plan was to keep it in all it's $600 glory. However, after reading about these problems for the first gen consoles, and after my good computer imploded; I've been wondering if I should sell it on ebay and use the cash toward a new/better computer. Help plz?

I doubt it will be defective since I wouldn't expect Sony to screw up another console; there are currently only a few lemons in Japan.

It really depends how much you care about the money, and if you will be able to afford another PS3 later. If you have a good income then selling it would be somewhat pointless. Of course I think the PS3 will be
an awesome console, so I would keep it personally, but that is just me.

[SilverStar]

According to Sony, there is -no- such thing as a free market, people. You're not even allowed to sell what you yourself PURCHASED, now.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161842.html

That's right.. even selling your PS3 on eBay to the UK will get you personally shot down and shut down.

[Bahamut]

Happy PS3 launch!

[Specter]

Okay, so I'm in kinda a dellema here. I'm almost guaranteed to get a PS3 at launch, and my original plan was to keep it in all it's $600 glory. However, after reading about these problems for the first gen consoles, and after my good computer imploded; I've been wondering if I should sell it on ebay and use the cash toward a new/better computer. Help plz?

I doubt it will be defective since I wouldn't expect Sony to screw up another console; there are currently only a few lemons in Japan.

It really depends how much you care about the money, and if you will be able to afford another PS3 later. If you have a good income then selling it would be somewhat pointless. Of course I think the PS3 will be
an awesome console, so I would keep it personally, but that is just me.

It's not the money that I care about, it's the new comp. The thing is, if I can't sell the PS3 for more than $1,500 I don't know if it's worth the wait for a new PS3 when that cash will only put me 1/3 the way towards a cutting-edge PC ('cause I'm a PC gamer at heart, and I'm not gonna buy second rate hardware). So really, it depends on how much cash I get for selling it.

EDIT:
According to Sony, there is -no- such thing as a free market, people. You're not even allowed to sell what you yourself PURCHASED, now.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161842.html

That's right.. even selling your PS3 on eBay to the UK will get you personally shot down and shut down.

Wow, first Lik-Sang and now this. Sony really doesn't want Europe to get this thing.

[Nec5]

According to Sony, there is -no- such thing as a free market, people. You're not even allowed to sell what you yourself PURCHASED, now.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161842.html

That's right.. even selling your PS3 on eBay to the UK will get you personally shot down and shut down.You can get arrested for scalping tickets for sports games, so I guess this is the same logic? I'm not sure if there's a difference. Probably.

[Bahamut]

Okay, so I'm in kinda a dellema here. I'm almost guaranteed to get a PS3 at launch, and my original plan was to keep it in all it's $600 glory. However, after reading about these problems for the first gen consoles, and after my good computer imploded; I've been wondering if I should sell it on ebay and use the cash toward a new/better computer. Help plz?

I doubt it will be defective since I wouldn't expect Sony to screw up another console; there are currently only a few lemons in Japan.

It really depends how much you care about the money, and if you will be able to afford another PS3 later. If you have a good income then selling it would be somewhat pointless. Of course I think the PS3 will be
an awesome console, so I would keep it personally, but that is just me.

It's not the money that I care about, it's the new comp. The thing is, if I can't sell the PS3 for more than $1,500 I don't know if it's worth the wait for a new PS3 when that cash will only put me 1/3 the way towards a cutting-edge PC ('cause I'm a PC gamer at heart, and I'm not gonna buy second rate hardware). So really, it depends on how much cash I get for selling it.

Today & last night the market commanded $2500-3000 for a PS3, so I'd say sell. You can always set aside $800 some other time for buying a PS3 & game if you want.

[SilverStar]

According to Sony, there is -no- such thing as a free market, people. You're not even allowed to sell what you yourself PURCHASED, now.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161842.html

That's right.. even selling your PS3 on eBay to the UK will get you personally shot down and shut down.You can get arrested for scalping tickets for sports games, so I guess this is the same logic? I'm not sure if there's a difference. Probably.

This isn't even really in the same league as scalping, though. Scalping would be trying to sell them at the door, minutes before the game. This is more like buying advance Superbowl tickets and selling them.. well, 4 months before the game.

They're, quite literally, telling you that you're not allowed to sell what you already own and have in your hands.

[JoeFu]

Well I went to a target at 8:00 AM, and after a about five or six hours of waiting their I discovered there were only eight PS3 units at the target I went to and I happened to be number nine in line...

I was actually number seven but two dicks were "reserving" spots for someone else who hadn't been there the whole day. Unfortunately the manager wouldn't do anything about it since the people made some retarded excuses saying that their cousin had to go to school; though I didn't expect the Target manager to do anything since Target sucks (Which is why I went there since I was much more likely to get one there and could have if I came the night before).
Whatever I guess I have to wait. It doesn't matter too much, but it would have been nice to get one.










I did however get to play the display model for about an hour and was really great (I played Motor Storm). I will tell you things I know now from having played it:

-Really badass and extremely precise motion control (at least it was in the driving game I played; it looks like they put much more effort into making the motion controller good than I would have thought.)

-The triggers on the back of the controller are even better than they look, I would say they are 98% as good as the triggers on the Xbox 360.

-The D-pad is actually much better. It is much less slippery and hard than a Playstation 2 controller, and it has a nice slight texture on it that adheres your thumb to the pad. It may seem like a small difference to some, but I was impressed.

-The game I played, Motor Storm had extremely awesome looking graphics, but it seemed to lack anti-aliasing which made things still pretty jaggy. I am guessing that this is the developers fault since I'm sure the PS3 can put up with a little bit of anti-aliasing.
One thing that stood out in the game it the fact that when you crash, your vehicle explodes, and you see all of the parts in the air; then it freezes fram and does a matrix effect around every miniscule part, it was great.

Anyhow, I wonder when the next shipment will be... January?

Well, that sucks. The really sucky thing is that I bet at least 5 of those guys are selling it.

[atmuh]

Well I went to a target at 8:00 AM, and after a about five or six hours of waiting their I discovered there were only eight PS3 units at the target I went to and I happened to be number nine in line...

I was actually number seven but two dicks were "reserving" spots for someone else who hadn't been there the whole day. Unfortunately the manager wouldn't do anything about it since the people made some retarded excuses saying that their cousin had to go to school; though I didn't expect the Target manager to do anything since Target sucks (Which is why I went there since I was much more likely to get one there and could have if I came the night before).
Whatever I guess I have to wait. It doesn't matter too much, but it would have been nice to get one.

Wow that's like what happened when I was gonna meet Miyamoto at Nintendo World. First 200 got in and the idiot in front of me held spots for two of his friends that came very late and I ended up being 201 and my brother 202...

[Bahamut]

Well I went to a target at 8:00 AM, and after a about five or six hours of waiting their I discovered there were only eight PS3 units at the target I went to and I happened to be number nine in line...

I was actually number seven but two dicks were "reserving" spots for someone else who hadn't been there the whole day. Unfortunately the manager wouldn't do anything about it since the people made some retarded excuses saying that their cousin had to go to school; though I didn't expect the Target manager to do anything since Target sucks (Which is why I went there since I was much more likely to get one there and could have if I came the night before).
Whatever I guess I have to wait. It doesn't matter too much, but it would have been nice to get one.

Wow that's like what happened when I was gonna meet Miyamoto at Nintendo World. First 200 got in and the idiot in front of me held spots for two of his friends that came very late and I ended up being 201 and my brother 202...

Yeah people are being real dicks this launch. I hope every time they try to sell their auction gets fake bidded.

Edit: Shots were fired from a Texas Walmart. Also, some armed men stole 4 PS3s and several XBox 360s from a Gamestop in California. People are insane.

[JoeFu]

Well I went to a target at 8:00 AM, and after a about five or six hours of waiting their I discovered there were only eight PS3 units at the target I went to and I happened to be number nine in line...

I was actually number seven but two dicks were "reserving" spots for someone else who hadn't been there the whole day. Unfortunately the manager wouldn't do anything about it since the people made some retarded excuses saying that their cousin had to go to school; though I didn't expect the Target manager to do anything since Target sucks (Which is why I went there since I was much more likely to get one there and could have if I came the night before).
Whatever I guess I have to wait. It doesn't matter too much, but it would have been nice to get one.

Wow that's like what happened when I was gonna meet Miyamoto at Nintendo World. First 200 got in and the idiot in front of me held spots for two of his friends that came very late and I ended up being 201 and my brother 202...

Yeah people are being real dicks this launch. I hope every time they try to sell their auction gets fake bidded.

Edit: Shots were fired from a Texas Walmart. Also, some armed men stole 4 PS3s and several XBox 360s from a Gamespot in California. People are insane.

WTF! That's pretty retarded...

I hope my little adventure to Gamestop to pick up my Wii will be safe. Seeing as its a launch with bigger numbers I say that it should be alright.


I really think Sony should have delayed, if even just a few weeks. Anything is better than the 200k they sent out for launch.

[Bahamut]

Just a heads up, anyone here with a Costco membership or knows someone who does can order a PS3 at costco.com on 8 am PST/10 am CST/11 am EST.

[Evilhead]

Sucks you couldn't get one Atomicfog... It's bullshit you got bumped back because of someone who wasn't even there. I say if you leave the line, you are out. You should have bitched some more.

[Linkjing Donuts]

Went to Target today and got to play the PS3. No line to play. Then again, it was NBA 07.

The thing has amazing graphics. Slightly better than the 360. The downside is, everything felt like I was playing a PS2. I didn't get to check out the menu screen, so I was missing out on that. But the gameplay was almost too similar to PS2. Although, since there was next to no change in the controller shape or button layout, it was easy to just grab it and play.


My Target had 8 PS3's in stock, and there were only about 10 in line. I went there at 9:30, about 10 hours and 30 minutes before the release.

My Best Buy and Walmart both had lines of about 40 or 50.

[SilverStar]

Went to Target today and got to play the PS3. No line to play. Then again, it was NBA 07.

The thing has amazing graphics. Slightly better than the 360. The downside is, everything felt like I was playing a PS2. I didn't get to check out the menu screen, so I was missing out on that. But the gameplay was almost too similar to PS2. Although, since there was next to no change in the controller shape or button layout, it was easy to just grab it and play.


My Target had 8 PS3's in stock, and there were only about 10 in line. I went there at 9:30, about 10 hours and 30 minutes before the release.

My Best Buy and Walmart both had lines of about 40 or 50.

You mean you played a game that was killed? :P

[Linkjing Donuts]

Went to Target today and got to play the PS3. No line to play. Then again, it was NBA 07.

The thing has amazing graphics. Slightly better than the 360. The downside is, everything felt like I was playing a PS2. I didn't get to check out the menu screen, so I was missing out on that. But the gameplay was almost too similar to PS2. Although, since there was next to no change in the controller shape or button layout, it was easy to just grab it and play.


My Target had 8 PS3's in stock, and there were only about 10 in line. I went there at 9:30, about 10 hours and 30 minutes before the release.

My Best Buy and Walmart both had lines of about 40 or 50.

You mean you played a game that was killed? :P
That's what I thought once I got home, but I didn't really pay attention. I was playing some basketball game. Don't really know what it was, but I've played Street before on the PS2, so I was more into playing the game than checking what the game actually was.


edit: NBA 2K7

[parasoul]

3 of my friends stood in line tonight for about 4 hours and came back empty-handed. They tried to get me to go but I had enough sense to know the odds weren't in my favor. I would have sold it on ebay anyway...I don't care about PS3.

[Bahamut]

3 of my friends stood in line tonight for about 4 hours and came back empty-handed. They tried to get me to go but I had enough sense to know the odds weren't in my favor. I would have sold it on ebay anyway...I don't care about PS3.

Most of the people camping are resellers.

[Specter]

Note to people thinking of going to Fry's for their PS3s: bring some extra cash (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/rumor-frys-forcing-mega-ps3wii-bundles-in-store-214459.php).

EDIT: Fixed a repetitive statement that was repetitive.

[parasoul]

3 of my friends stood in line tonight for about 4 hours and came back empty-handed. They tried to get me to go but I had enough sense to know the odds weren't in my favor. I would have sold it on ebay anyway...I don't care about PS3.

Most of the people camping are resellers.

Yeah, there are like 100,000 or so available in US I think, so I'm not going to be surprised if there's at least 10,000 of them up on ebay by the weekend. If I wasn't broke I would just get a Wii this weekend, but it looks like I'll have to wait awhile for that.

[Bahamut]

3 of my friends stood in line tonight for about 4 hours and came back empty-handed. They tried to get me to go but I had enough sense to know the odds weren't in my favor. I would have sold it on ebay anyway...I don't care about PS3.

Most of the people camping are resellers.

Yeah, there are like 100,000 or so available in US I think, so I'm not going to be surprised if there's at least 10,000 of them up on ebay by the weekend. If I wasn't broke I would just get a Wii this weekend, but it looks like I'll have to wait awhile for that.

10,000? I'm willing to bet 50% of the launch or more are going to be ebayed.

And for those who want confirmation on the Costco thing, here ya go (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115289&highlight=Costco) (you need to get a forum membership to see but it's well worth it).

[Viol8tor]

Man, i spent most of the day trying to snag a ps3 out of luck. I have an untouched MasterCard for, um.......emergencies.:cough: So i have enough for a ps3 and at least 2 games.

My target was only getting 10, and one target employee was even trying to sell me his, he even gave me his phone#. Im sure he'll charge an arm and a leg do.. :roll: :evil:

Went to 2 Best buys, one had about 15-20 people in line and that best buy was only getting 10 aswell. The other Best buy was getting 20 but had like 50 people there. And it was very unorganized, i left before hell broke loose.

Last stop was at a couple of gamestops. I went to 3 different ones, 2 had 8 for sale, and the third had only 5. Employee told me to come back tomorrow at 10 am, they wern't even going to have a midnight sale. But that they where going to get rid of all there ps3's tomorrow. One of the few who didn't do a presale, as they didn't know how many they where getting (if any). So i'll go check it out before work.

This is a horrible launch. Just the sight and feeling at these stores made you go..."eck, fuck this shit" And ofcourse, knowing that half of these basturds are going to turn around and sell it for twice as much.

I know its not Sony's fault for people being a-holes and making money, and even worse idiots paying twice as much, but you have to feed the demand to a certain extent.I know Sony is enjoying the publicity when they show the 11 oclock news with reporters saying...."Wow,look at these line with people camping out for days in advance. All to get the New Sony PlayStation 3. This console must be amazing!!"....when thats not trully the full the story.

The PS3 Launch can suck my left one!!:evil:

I dont know, im tired.....i had to vent. :P

[Bigfoot]

Worst launch ever. Sony should have waited until they had reasonable numbers to launch with.


First there were BB guns. Now there were real bullets (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PLAYSTATION_SHOOTING?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-11-17-07-41-29) used.

[Atomicfog]

3 of my friends stood in line tonight for about 4 hours and came back empty-handed. They tried to get me to go but I had enough sense to know the odds weren't in my favor. I would have sold it on ebay anyway...I don't care about PS3.

Most of the people camping are resellers.

Yeah, there are like 100,000 or so available in US I think, so I'm not going to be surprised if there's at least 10,000 of them up on ebay by the weekend. If I wasn't broke I would just get a Wii this weekend, but it looks like I'll have to wait awhile for that.

10,000? I'm willing to bet 50% of the launch or more are going to be ebayed.

And for those who want confirmation on the Costco thing, here ya go (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115289&highlight=Costco) (you need to get a forum membership to see but it's well worth it).

Thank you for the tip Bahamut

Anybody have a Costco membership card number I can use... Please?

If not I will just have to sit and wait to see if KBtoys does anything, but Costco sounds like a good bet if I click fast (Just need a membership number)
http://www.kbtoys.com/vgames/PLTPS3.html

If not I guess it is back to waiting again :|

[Avatar of Justice]

Whatever happened to youth rioting AGAINST corporate America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEPdRPxR_i0

[Wolfstan]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746482p1.html


As it turns out, Sony is losing $306.85 for each 20GB system sold and $241.35 for every 60GB system.

Ouch. Costs nearly 1k to make a console?

[Atomicfog]

Lol, while I was calling KBtoys to ask them when they were selling the PS3 online they had just put it up for sale, and the representative says it sold out in two minutes. I wouldn't have bought it there anyway since they have a retarded $1000 bundle pack that doesn't even include Resistance :lol: .

[Sir_NutS]

on another note, more Sony executives join the ignorance and arrogant bullshitting train:

http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7243

This almost reminds me of Yamauchi's reign of politely incorrect terms and distorted view of the reality.

[A-RoN]

Isn't there a rumour going around via "Globe and Mail" that Sony's still putting out the console dispite bugs with wrong images and audio displayed while playing PS 1 and 2 games?

[linkspast]

Well Today is launch day... and I bet there sold out already. Anyone got one or know some one who dose?

[The Author]

Isn't there a rumour going around via "Globe and Mail" that Sony's still putting out the console dispite bugs with wrong images and audio displayed while playing PS 1 and 2 games?

Okay, the deal is that the PS3 includes the graphical architecture of both PS2 and PS1 but not the sound system. It has to be emulated through the firmware. Since some games are non-standard soundwise, these games end up muted or distorted. The firmware will be upgraded however and these problems will eventually vanish.

[Sir_NutS]

Isn't there a rumour going around via "Globe and Mail" that Sony's still putting out the console dispite bugs with wrong images and audio displayed while playing PS 1 and 2 games?

Okay, the deal is that the PS3 includes the graphical architecture of both PS2 and PS1 but not the sound system. It has to be emulated through the firmware. Since some games are non-standard soundwise, these games end up muted or distorted. The firmware will be upgraded however and these problems will eventually vanish.

yeah I only wish these douchebags were as informed as you or anyone who has followed the ps3 for some time.

Anyways, you're right, they will upgrade it, but I can't help but to feel uncomfortable about this. There's clearly no doubt about it, the Ps3, Xbox 360 and even maybe the Wii will adopt the PC games policy of "we deliver first, then fix later". I hate so much when I come with high expectations to a game(Titan quest comes to mind) only to find it's incomplete or plagued with bugs that will be fixed "later" with software updates. Sure, it brings some advantages, as there are room for new functionality to be added this way to your games, but they're giving that for a price anyways. The days where you turned on your console to play a game knowing that it won't need any shitty update to work properly(at least for the majority of games) seem to be going away to never come back again.

[The Author]

The Wii also has a firmware upgrade options. The server is not on right now, but whenever I try to connect it tries to check my Wii version.

[The Damned]

Whatever happened to youth rioting AGAINST corporate America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEPdRPxR_i0
And Sony gets their awesome free publicity, and all it cost was people stupidly freezing themselves for a few days, and a riot where people got hurt. You can't tell me that in the Sony offices, they aren't grinning and ringing their hands over this. They knew it would happen somewhere, and it did. And now they have the most "wanted" item in the world right now. And all it cost them was cutting back the number of units to the US. Which will then be made up for when the next batch comes in, and everybody that sees this crap rushes out to get one for themselves.

Shame on Sony for letting it happen, shame on those people for letting it get that bad, and shame on the sheep that will perpetuate it by buying into the whole thing. And some of you wonder why I don't like Sony as a company; it has nothing to do with their comsole, it has to do with how they act.

[The Xyco]

A couple of my roommates walked away with FOUR systems.

FOUR

They camped out for the past week. Now they're sleeping before they put them up on eBay.

One of them was offered $2500 in cash just outside the parking lot of Best Buy.

With an input of roughly $2400, they're going to easily quadruple their initial investment. That's some hella stock value.

[Sir_NutS]

Whatever happened to youth rioting AGAINST corporate America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEPdRPxR_i0
And Sony gets their awesome free publicity, and all it cost was people stupidly freezing themselves for a few days, and a riot where people got hurt. You can't tell me that in the Sony offices, they aren't grinning and ringing their hands over this. They knew it would happen somewhere, and it did. And now they have the most "wanted" item in the world right now. And all it cost them was cutting back the number of units to the US. Which will then be made up for when the next batch comes in, and everybody that sees this crap rushes out to get one for themselves.

Shame on Sony for letting it happen, shame on those people for letting it get that bad, and shame on the sheep that will perpetuate it by buying into the whole thing. And some of you wonder why I don't like Sony as a company; it has nothing to do with their comsole, it has to do with how they act.

Regardless, get a ps3, it's good for your soul. =)

[The Author]

Isn't there a rumour going around via "Globe and Mail" that Sony's still putting out the console dispite bugs with wrong images and audio displayed while playing PS 1 and 2 games?

Okay, the deal is that the PS3 includes the graphical architecture of both PS2 and PS1 but not the sound system. It has to be emulated through the firmware. Since some games are non-standard soundwise, these games end up muted or distorted. The firmware will be upgraded however and these problems will eventually vanish.

yeah I only wish these douchebags were as informed as you or anyone who has followed the ps3 for some time.

Anyways, you're right, they will upgrade it, but I can't help but to feel uncomfortable about this. There's clearly no doubt about it, the Ps3, Xbox 360 and even maybe the Wii will adopt the PC games policy of "we deliver first, then fix later". I hate so much when I come with high expectations to a game(Titan quest comes to mind) only to find it's incomplete or plagued with bugs that will be fixed "later" with software updates. Sure, it brings some advantages, as there are room for new functionality to be added this way to your games, but they're giving that for a price anyways. The days where you turned on your console to play a game knowing that it won't need any shitty update to work properly(at least for the majority of games) seem to be going away to never come back again.

Also, my issues with the PS3 are not based on simply it being a PS3. the hardware is interesting, but given the PS2's dodgy durability, their overall attitude about where the PS3 fits in the next gen, and the way they deal with this release, I sincerly have doubts about the PS3's viability.

[Avatar of Justice]

Anyways, you're right, they will upgrade it, but I can't help but to feel uncomfortable about this. There's clearly no doubt about it, the Ps3, Xbox 360 and even maybe the Wii will adopt the PC games policy of "we deliver first, then fix later". I hate so much when I come with high expectations to a game(Titan quest comes to mind) only to find it's incomplete or plagued with bugs that will be fixed "later" with software updates. Sure, it brings some advantages, as there are room for new functionality to be added this way to your games, but they're giving that for a price anyways. The days where you turned on your console to play a game knowing that it won't need any shitty update to work properly(at least for the majority of games) seem to be going away to never come back again.

So...that begs the quesiton...how long before EA starts charging for patches?

[Cyanide cr MK]

Im sick of all the launch BS. Sony , MS, and even Nintendo should simply be making way more systems than this. Ive never been in a video game factory so I dont know how long it actually takes for one system to actually be created, but this whole situation is unacceptable. You dont see people camping outside of a store risking their health , job, and now apparently their very life for a CD release, or a DVD release.

I have a physically demanding retail job, as Im sure several others here do too, and I simply dont have the energy, much less time , to camp outside of a store simply to play video games (and I love video games). Im gonna show up at Target at around 6 am Sunday morning (which is ridiculously early for a day off) and try to get a wii. I dont really expect to get one. If not , oh well. Ive got money to give to Nintendo for its system, Im not giving them my health or job. This launch translates to some of the absolute worst customer service I've ever encountered, hands down.

End rant.

[Bigfoot]

Yup, that's where Sony made their mistake. Releasing something that is wanted so much by people through out the world with such embarrassing numbers is really stupid. It just causes chaos.

[Bigfoot]

All the "Chaos" that I could find.

* Man shoved into a flagpole during Wal-Mart's "First 10 to the wall wins" race. http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/video/10339676/index.html

* Customer shot while waiting outside a Connecticut Walmart. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2660886

* Three PS3 campers robbed at gunpoint outside Springfield, OR Circuit City. http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=006518A0-7413-4424-AD12-A235C95257D7

* Two gunmen rob a GameStop store in Elk Grove, CA, steal several PS3's. http://cbs13.com/local/local_story_320195924.html

* Several customers shot with BB guns while waiting outside a Central Kentucky Best Buy. http://www.wkyt.com/news/headlines/4661551.html

* Police temporarily shut down a Palmdale, CA Wal-Mart after some customers got unruly. http://www.dailynews.com/antelopevalley/ci_4674868

* Man arrested after fight breaks out at Ottawa store. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2006/11/17/playstation-rowdies.html

* A dentist in Columbus, GA hired 60 temp workers to wait inline for 15 systems for his grandchildren. He later ditches plan after complaints from other customers. http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/16022766.htm

* One customer quits job to wait in line. Another postpones buying engagement ring for his girlfriend in order to afford PS3. http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/10/ps3_bestbuy_burbank_line/

* Pregnant mother ignores contractions while camping outside a Secaucus, NJ Best Buy. http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1163746874107410.xml&coll=3

* Various Stories http://www.newsday.com/technology/wire/sns-ap-playstation-3,0,3581829.story?coll=sns-ap-technology-headlines

* Riot at a Henrietta, NY Best Buy http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=41274283-14a8-4f29-89b9-cf922cb086de&rss=102

Retail stores need to come up with a new idea on how to take care of long lines. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mrsaba5qpE

[A-RoN]

Yup, that's where Sony made their mistake. Releasing something that is wanted so much by people through out the world with such embarrassing numbers is really stupid. It just causes chaos.

Not to be offensive or anything, but tell that to the people waiting for the Wii on Sunday just to get the cards to download classic NES games...(uh oh! Throw this one in the Wii thread). I feel sorry for them in a way.

[Kitsuta]

Yup, that's where Sony made their mistake. Releasing something that is wanted so much by people through out the world with such embarrassing numbers is really stupid. It just causes chaos.

Not to be offensive or anything, but tell that to the people waiting for the Wii on Sunday just to get the cards to download classic NES games...(uh oh! Throw this one in the Wii thread). I feel sorry for them in a way.

Link? That post doesn't make a lot of sense, since, last I checked, Sunday is over 24 hours away.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I'm really tired of arguing about the specs of PS3 with people who don't know one thing about it.

So if anyone wants to read something that is truly relevant and :gasp: unbiased, try reading this:

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1


All in all, both the 360 and PS3 are pretty good machines and yes, they're actually bargains for their hardware (compare something to a high end $2500+ PC). Comparing older systems in PSX and PS2's pricing to a PS3 really isn't fair since the technology is vastly different and their purpose as well. Sony's lousy PR scheme (Nintendo's was pretty silly too, but at least they were sly about it all) aside, I don't think you can deny the technical beef of the PS3.

People have often spelt out doomsday for 360 (Dreamcast-lol, etc), the Wii and PS3, but I actually think all three would do pretty well. And if PS3 starts getting the killer ap games, then I don't think it's really impossible for them to become a heavy favorite again. Though I think the 360 won a lot of converts with Microsoft's sly tactics of releasing the system a year early with a hundred games ready before its competitors. Including the constantly impressive online support. But hopefully that will spur the other companies to try and match it.

[Bigfoot]

PS3 and HDMI not working well. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/17/ps3-hdmi-doesnt-like-you/)

[I-n-j-i-n]

Worst launch ever. Sony should have waited until they had reasonable numbers to launch with.

I don't see what's so bad about a launch tactic that has been proven to work with the 360 and PS2. Even the DS and DS Lite had similar problems with demand far exceeding the supply in the first months of their release (at least in Japan). And those had their share of violence and launch hardware issues.

Also, even with all the violence, heckling and the intense scrutiny of the launch and its product, negative press is still press.

Watch CBSnews.com or any other major media outlet and they're talking about the frenzy over the "hottest holiday present". Because for a fact, there is a frenzy over it, for better or for worse.

And come a year after, and virtually all of the hardware concerns should be ironed out. Maybe two years for the internet-inept Japanese developers to get the hang of online services.

[Nec5]

I'm really tired of arguing about the specs of PS3 with people who don't know one thing about it.

So if anyone wants to read something that is truly relevant and :gasp: unbiased, try reading this:

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1
Thanks for posting this. I'm reading it now. I'm hoping it makes some clear conclusions.

[SilverStar]

You know, press may be press, but when Time is heckling you, you know something went wrong.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1560635,00.html

[Bigfoot]

You know, press may be press, but when Time is heckling you, you know something went wrong.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1560635,00.html


I thought it was bad enough when Maddox was putting down Sony. :p

[Kitsuta]

You know, press may be press, but when Time is heckling you, you know something went wrong.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1560635,00.html


I thought it was bad enough when Maddox was putting down Sony. :p

(I'm sorry, but naming a computer chip is like naming your genitals: you're compensating for something.)

Ouch.

[TheCatPhysician]

Wasn't able to get one. We were all ready to camp out at Best Buy at midnight because they said that's when people can line up. Then they change it at the last minute so that people line up at midnight and everyone gets a ticket, then they raffle off 25 or so people who get to get in line, and they have to camp out to get theirs. But there was like 200 hundred people, so the chances were pretty bad. Now that I'm in Anchorage, I better be able to get a Wii. We plan on going to a midnight launch then going to Best Buy a couple hours before it opens in the morning to get 2 each, so we can sell one and still make profit. The people at Best Buy are confident that it will be easy to pick up a Wii, and they aren't sure if they're even doing anything organized with tickets.

[Viol8tor]

All the "Chaos" that I could find:

Publicity Money Cant Buy.

[The Damned]

All the "Chaos" that I could find:

Publicity Money Cant Buy.
QFT&E

[EdgeCrusher]

I just love watching these people wait for this, or the people that end up buying it on ebay for 2000+ bucks, just to have their hearts broke when the first gen is trash just like every playstation release before it. You would seriously think that people would realize how these things go. Wait till the 4th gen at least.

[Merk]

Im sick of all the launch BS. Sony , MS, and even Nintendo should simply be making way more systems than this.

Ive never been in a video game factory so I dont know how long it actually takes for one system to actually be created,

:lol:

[Cyanide cr MK]

:roll:

[Kitsuta]

:roll:

Lol useless post!

Seriously though, all three companies were in a rush to get the consoles on the shelves by the holidays, either in 2005 or 2006. It means a hell of a lot more to have your product out there by Christmas than it does to have a couple million extra units. It's not like they're purposefully sitting on their hands not making consoles - they are often finalizing the design until fairly late in the whole process, and then if there are major production problems, as with Sony, they are royally screwed. Nintendo's biggest advantage is that its hardware is easier and cheaper to produce, so they can start production earlier and do it faster.

[Ace-Of-War]

The 64 thousand dollar question though, did anyone here actually get one?

I want to hear from the source, the gamers, how this thing is running. Show me all the reviews, media, G4 coverage you want, these people are all paid to do it. I want to hear from John Smith about starting up Madden 07 for the first time. I heard most of the launch titles are hit or miss, and Gamespot even gave one of them a 3.9 (http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sim/gundamworld/review.html?sid=6161990).

[RepressedChaos]

LOL kids camped out at Futureshop last night and It dropped to -50 lol dumb shits they froze their testes off for a PS3.... if you ask me it just ain't worth it

[Bigfoot]

I watched an employee play some dirt racing game today. The only thing that looked awesome was all the stuff in the background with how clear it looked. I couldn't believe how shitty the grass was(lolpeoplemakingfunofCoD3ontheWii). You know how the trees are on Mario 64? The way it faces follows you whenever you go, well that's how the grass was in this game.

Also, the motion sensing controller does not work well at all.


I was wondering when this would turn up:

Smashmyps3.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTy7Nx0oPI

[kupernikus]

Got mine today! And its running fine, no problems at all. The games, with the exception of resistance where your normal Sony launch fare, a bunch of differant genres covered, with only a few really good or even decent games. its ok, it'll get better. Lets face it, the 360 didnt have much goin for it at its launch.

[KWarp]

Smashmyps3.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTy7Nx0oPI
Hammer > Cell Processor

[Atomicfog]

I watched an employee play some dirt racing game today. The only thing that looked awesome was all the stuff in the background with how clear it looked. I couldn't believe how shitty the grass was(lolpeoplemakingfunofCoD3ontheWii). You know how the trees are on Mario 64? The way it faces follows you whenever you go, well that's how the grass was in this game.

Also, the motion sensing controller does not work well at all.


I was wondering when this would turn up:

Smashmyps3.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTy7Nx0oPI

If you are talking about Motor Storm then I have to say I had a somewhat different impression of it. The graphics looked insanely awesome apart from the bushes and stuff which looked added rather than natural, but the reflection mapping on the vehicles, the particle effects, and the clearness of it all was pretty damn amazing. There were some problems with anti-aliasing,
and the environment I played in was somewhat drab, but it still looked insane. Also if you crash to hard into something your car explodes and you can see every part in the air, and then it does a freeze frame and does a matrix style effect around all the parts (really awesome). It may not be the best for the PS3, but I don't think the graphics can be easily dissed. Also, I thought the motion controlling was even better than the analog stick, and that it was really badass, but maybe you were playing another game.

Also, everyone should see this game in action. Watch one of the gameplay videos on IGN. This is the actual gameplay, and I can't believe how close they were able to come to their E3 demo video (and this is a launch title!). http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748488/vids_1.html

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/319/928393_111606_screen019.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/319/928393_111606_screen022.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/319/928393_111606_screen043.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/735/735511/motorstorm-20060926023056121.jpg

[Kitsuta]

I was wondering when this would turn up:

Smashmyps3.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTy7Nx0oPI

They did this for the Xbox 360 too, right?

Even though I know that they can do what they please with their property, a part of me says "WTF NO" to destroying a $600 piece of brand new machinery. 8O

[Bigfoot]

I was wondering when this would turn up:

Smashmyps3.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTy7Nx0oPI

They did this for the Xbox 360 too, right?

Even though I know that they can do what they please with their property, a part of me says "WTF NO" to destroying a $600 piece of brand new machinery. 8O

Yeah, and the Ipod and other things. They accept donations from people and when they reach their goal, they spend it on whatever it is they're going to smash.

[GeckoYamori]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/735/735511/motorstorm-20060926023056121.jpg

jaggies lolz

[The Damned]

I'm sure that those jaggies disappear when in motion. Or on a HDTV. Or when you smear some grease on the screen.

[Bigfoot]

That game is odd. It appears to be very realistic, but then you can ram into the side of a dune buggy with your motorcycle like you're driving a car yourself.

[Bigfoot]

Guy I know took a pic(a rather bad pic) of a PS3's hard drive being corrupted.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8714/ps3lawlct6ca8.png (http://imageshack.us)
"The hard drive's file system is corrupted and will be restored"

[I-n-j-i-n]

I'm not sure this story is authentic or not, but wow:

http://modzer0.cs.uaf.edu/hank-typo/articles/2006/11/18/the-best-ps3-story-ever

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120054509305&rd=1&rd=1

Legendary PS3 story.

[Rasuto Ibuki]

The 64 thousand dollar question though, did anyone here actually get one?

I want to hear from the source, the gamers, how this thing is running. Show me all the reviews, media, G4 coverage you want, these people are all paid to do it. I want to hear from John Smith about starting up Madden 07 for the first time. I heard most of the launch titles are hit or miss, and Gamespot even gave one of them a 3.9 (http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sim/gundamworld/review.html?sid=6161990).


Okay, I've battled with trying to remember my password to come out of retirement to answer this.

My fiance and I live in a somewhat small town in New Mexico. We heard about the PS3 preorders at EB on Kotaku and decided to go for it. Since they were really quiet about the preorders being opened we decided to wait it out and go in around 5am. We got there at 5:30 and no one was in sight, so, we sat on the cold bench. Our EB is in the mall and we were waiting for them to open the doors so we could go in. Well, this other guy shows up and just walks right in. They open the doors earlier than I thought. Anyway, we were #2 in line.

Now on to what matters, the system. We got it home yesterday and fired it up. It's amazingly quiet, I mean, you can't even hear it. The games right now are mediocre, except for one, that's Resistance: Fall of Man. That game is probably one of the best first person shooters I've had the joy of playing, but, it's extremely hard.

Anyway, objectively, I believe the console will be something that's going to be -very- good later on. Right now the game lineup just isn't something to be awed with. The console itself is very nice, very well made, the graphics are excellent and I've been impressed with how well the system is so far running and the abilities it possesses.

The price is a bit steep, but, if you compare it to an XBOX 360 with a similar setup, it's not much different. XBOX 360 - $400, HD-DVD Addon - $200, and Wifi Adapter - $100 you come out with $700. The thing is, with the 360, you do get a choice.

The Playstation Store is a bit clunky and I'm confident that they will end up redesigning it sooner or later. Also, while you download from it you can't do anything else (the 360 was this way until MS patched it, I have a feeling Sony will follow suit). I think that if you really want one now then there is nothing wrong with buying it now, if you can get your hands on it. I do however think that I would have rather went ahead and waited until there were a few more games to play, but, I can deal with having it now, in fact, I've already got everything in place to install Linux on it.

Good system, will be great later, super quiet, lots of fun. It just lacks the game library that it will no doubt have later.

[Zutnunzor]

Okay, so my uncle and his friend are one of the few people who actually bought a ps3 and kept it and friday night, I gave it a go. He owns a 50"+ HD TV, all that good stuff, surround, but no HDMI cables, just your basic cables from a PS2.

First game I tried was Ridge Racer 7, which was very nice, although not as polished as I hoped it would be, but its a launch game, so no surprise. The enviroments and landscape are beautiful, the best I have ever seen in a racing game. You can actually drive with one hand using the motion-sensing in the controller itself, which I may add, is very responsive, not to mention its the lightest wireless controller I have ever used.

Another nice feature was the ability to turn the system off from the controller itself.

I played Motorstorm next and screenshots do not do this game justice. Everything looks fantastic, not to mention the physics and detail, with no slowdown at all. I boosted over a jump and exploded in midair and watched as my body flailed around in panic and then get run over by another player taking a turn. I'm not a big fan of racers, but I had alot of fun with this game.

Last game I played was Resistance, which plays alot like Halo, and is a VERY fun game. We played co-op and moving through the battlefield got very hectic, and was a blast. The AI in this game was difficult as enemies covered each other and took shots sparingly, making it harder to pick them off. A few of the guns I tried, the assault rifle, the alien-version of the assault rifle, and the shotgun were all very nice, and the in-game cutscenes were even better. There was also a part where you could control a massive tank (Much like the scorpion from Halo) and ride through a destroyed city blasting down alien fortifications. Out of all the PS3 games to get right now, this one should be at the top of your list.

After that, I messed around with the PS3-menu, which borrows much from the PSP. I browsed the internet and tried to look at some of my favorites flashes on newgrounds, but Sony has been lazy and I couldn't download flashplayer :( So I proceeded to youtube and sampled the video "OVER 9,000?" on an HD TV, pretty crazy.

For those wondering about the blu-ray quality, I did watch blu-ray version of Talladega Nights. The quality was excellent as expected, but ya know, I couldn't tell the difference between an HD-DVD movie and this.

And you can BARELY hear the console, I didn't even know it was on, thats how quiet it was.

Also, all launches were not entirely that bad, the two PS3's that my uncle and his friend had, they had no hassle going in and picking up, as the store was only handling people with preorder slips, which meant no lines.

All in all, Its a very nice console, but I don't see myself dropping 600$ on it, That is simply too much, atleast for myself.

[linkspast]

I'm not sure this story is authentic or not, but wow:

http://modzer0.cs.uaf.edu/hank-typo/articles/2006/11/18/the-best-ps3-story-ever

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120054509305&rd=1&rd=1

Legendary PS3 story.

nice one

[chfuji]

I'm not sure this story is authentic or not, but wow:

http://modzer0.cs.uaf.edu/hank-typo/articles/2006/11/18/the-best-ps3-story-ever

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120054509305&rd=1&rd=1

Legendary PS3 story.
As I was listening to one of the video game podcasts I subscribe to, I got to wondering. What is the most amount of money that someone is currently willing to pay for a Playstation 3 system. Behold the price tag (that actually has a bid!) for a Playstation 3 on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/PS3-PlayStation-3-60GB-HAND-DELIVERED-WORLDWIDE-2-U_W0QQitemZ220050739576QQihZ012QQcategoryZ62054QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Thank goodness I'm patient...and poor.

[Specter]

Well, my plan failed, and I didn't get one. Basically, my school starts at 8:30, and any electronics store/Target/Wal-Mart is more than 30 min away. Since all those stores open up at 8, my friend, who didn't have to go to school till 1, offered to get me one if I gave him 50 bucks up front and payed the $600 when he gave me the console. I agreed, not knowing which store he was going to. Well it turns out he went to Fry's, which as I noted earlier, is only selling their systems in $1100 bundle packs. Anyway, the money my friend brought with him could only cover one pack, so he bought one for himself (fucker). At least he gave me my $50 back though.

[Bigfoot]

I finally actually played the PS3 today. I played Motor Storm. It was cool for the first lap, then it got pretty boring. It's just eye candy. I wish they had better demos set up to play.

[linkspast]

http://www.therealps3grill.com/therealps3grill!_000003.htm

This is lol

[Bigfoot]

http://www.therealps3grill.com/therealps3grill!_000003.htm

This is lol

Haha yeah, I saw that yesterday on Joystiq. It's good to see people are putting their PS3's to good use.


Some other guy was using his to play Nintendo roms on it with the Linux OS.

[Avatar of Justice]

Some other guy was using his to play Nintendo roms on it with the Linux OS.

Sweet! I hadn't thought of that ability. Too bad a lot of emulators for Linux (ZSNES, ePSXE) are wrote with code specific to x86 machines that won't work on the PS3

[The Author]

Some other guy was using his to play Nintendo roms on it with the Linux OS.

Sweet! I hadn't thought of that ability. Too bad a lot of emulators for Linux (ZSNES, ePSXE) are wrote with code specific to x86 machines that won't work on the PS3



Hmmm... why would you need a PSX emulator on a PS3?

[The Damned]

So, people use their PSPs and now PS3s to play old Nintendo games? Wow. That's saying something. But by saying it, I'll get labeled a fanboy or a troll.

[Nec5]

So, people use their PSPs and now PS3s to play old Nintendo games? Wow. That's saying something. But by saying it, I'll get labeled a fanboy or a troll.or both! :P

[Zaid]

You know, press may be press, but when Time is heckling you, you know something went wrong.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1560635,00.html


Without rumble, it just ain't a jungle.

I don't think many people will take this article seriously, at all.

[Nec5]

I never thought the rumble feature was all that impressive even when I first got it with Star Fox 64. Another gimmick.

[Bigfoot]

Things looking worse for the PS3.
Sony may miss production goals again.
(http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=acYmICIySKBw&refer=japan)

[kupernikus]

Ya know, as much as I am enjoying my PS3 right now, part of me is wishing I had got a Wii. Sony is being so damn arrogant about the whole thing, its irritating.

[Bigfoot]

Wow, it appears you should definitely avoid this one.. heh

Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/21/metareview-mobile-suit-gundam-crossfire/)

* GameSpot (39/100) - "Even if you could get past the horrid frame rate problems, lackluster presentation, and lack of online multiplayer, the gameplay in Crossfire is practically identical to the half-dozen or more Gundam games that appeared on the PlayStation 2. If you're looking for a game to show off what your PlayStation 3 is capable of, Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire should be your last choice of all the launch titles."

* Game Informer (38/100) - "Imagine that you've worked hard and saved for years, and finally bought the luxury sports car of your dreams. You open the door and get in for the first time, carefully adjust the mirrors, program the radio and then, once you're comfortable, take a giant dump on the seat ... That's essentially what you're doing if you spend the money on a fancy new PS3 and choose this as your launch game of choice ... I have nothing positive to say about this game. I even hate the menu screen."

* 1UP (20/100) - "So, the story is nonexistent, the gameplay is a joke, and the controls are unresponsive. Could Crossfire get any worse? Unfortunately, that's a resounding 'yes.' Poor level design cripples any hopes of enjoyment ... The game is an embarrassment to the Gundam name, and raises suspicions that it was rushed for the PS3 launch."

[Nec5]

I even hate the menu screen. :lol:

[Ray Falling]

Wow, it appears you should definitely avoid this one.. heh

Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/21/metareview-mobile-suit-gundam-crossfire/)


I remember telling myself; "Come on now, let's try and be open minded and give this PS3 a fair chance."
I saw a gameplay vid of this game and thought "hey, it does look good!"
Then it started moving T__T;

It really shows that developers have so much more to learn in terms of gameplay. It was so slow and dull looking and it doesnt do justice to the animated series at all by the looks of it.

T'is a real shame.

Ironically, the Wii Gundam game looks "rubbish" while the gameplay seems to be better. u_u; we just can't win can we?

[SilverStar]

You know, press may be press, but when Time is heckling you, you know something went wrong.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1560635,00.html


Without rumble, it just ain't a jungle.

I don't think many people will take this article seriously, at all.

That isn't Times, like the New York Times( Though they really didn't like the PS3 either. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/20game.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin ). That's TIME, as in TIME Magazine. One of the biggest publications in the world.

[Sir_NutS]

You know, press may be press, but when Time is heckling you, you know something went wrong.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1560635,00.html


Without rumble, it just ain't a jungle.

I don't think many people will take this article seriously, at all.

That isn't Times, like the New York Times( Though they really didn't like the PS3 either. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/20game.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin ). That's TIME, as in TIME Magazine. One of the biggest publications in the world.
the guy does brings quite some good points about things that the xbox360 beats the ps3 out of the park.

[SilverStar]

So, after Evilhead, among others, ranted and bitched about Nintendo charging $10 for N64 games, Sony turns around and releases the prices of their own PSOne games for the PSP.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162183.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

From $5.99 to $10.99. Not even the proclaimed $5 price tag. For games you can literally get for less, from a pawn shop.

Still such a great deal?

[Evilhead]

So, after Evilhead, among others, ranted and bitched about Nintendo charging $10 for N64 games, Sony turns around and releases the prices of their own PSOne games for the PSP.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162183.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

From $5.99 to $10.99. Not even the proclaimed $5 price tag. For games you can literally get for less, from a pawn shop.

Still such a great deal?

Yes it is a great deal. And you seem to be confused. The $5 downloads that were annouced before were for play on the PS3, correct? These are for the PSP. Totally different story. Homebrew PS1 emulation on the PSP is just creeping along at this point, so I'd gladly pay $5-$10 to play perfect ports of PS1 games like Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy Tactics, Crash Bandicoot 2, Bushido Blade, etc, to play on my PSP on the go. Considering Nintendo is charging $39.99 for their N64 to DS ports I'd say Sony is definitely the winner here. I'm sure if they released a bunch of ports of PS1 games on UMD they could easily milk the fans a la Nintendo and charge $40 a pop, but they aren't. Good move on their part, especially with the rise of emulation.

[Bigfoot]

What N64 port to the DS is $39.99?


"they'll weigh in at anything between 140MB and 550MB"- Ouch, better go buy that 4GB-8GB mem stick for a couple hundred.

And in order to get these PS1 games to your PSP, you need a PS3? Sounds fair enough.

[The Author]

I have a hard time seeing Super Mario 64 as a port, seeing as they added 3 playable characters, 30 stars, and changed the stages around a bit, and included about 25 minigames...

But I guess in evilhead land, that's a port...

[Bahamut]

Maybe he means $30, or $40 in Japan? Super Mario 64 DS comes to mind though.

[Evilhead]

Yeah, Super Mario 64 is still about $40 here. And yes, it is a port. They might have added a few things but it's just a port. I'm not saying OMG DON'T BUY it but saying that charging $5-$10 for perfect PS1 ports on the PSP isn't exactly expensive. And yes, you do need a fat memory stick, but 1 or 2 gig memory sticks aren't that expensive and a lot of PSP owners already have them. No need for a 4 gig card if you just want to throw a PS1 game on there with some other junk. If you happen to have a PS3 and a card it's a nice feature.

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, Super Mario 64 is still about $40 here. And yes, it is a port. They might have added a few things but it's just a port. I'm not saying OMG DON'T BUY it but saying that charging $5-$10 for perfect PS1 ports on the PSP isn't exactly expensive. And yes, you do need a fat memory stick, but 1 or 2 gig memory sticks aren't that expensive and a lot of PSP owners already have them. No need for a 4 gig card if you just want to throw a PS1 game on there with some other junk. If you happen to have a PS3 and a card it's a nice feature.

"If you happen to have a PS3" lol :[

[Koelsch1]

I think its funny watching Evilhead try to find a way to make it seem that Sony charging more for ports than Nintendo is charging for VC games is somehow a better deal.

[Poiso]

work it out

the ps3 is for those of us who want to spend a lot of money

we have a lot of disposable income because we are bratty and/or awesome and we figure a ps3's worth it

k?

[Citris]

*sigh* Jesus christ. How is the PS3 having even more problems than even I expected? I've always found the Sony to be a very solid bet for consoles. My PS2 is still invaluable to me because of the awesome games and it's DVD capability. What the hell has gone wrong with their company? Why is this such a huge cluster fuck?

[Bobwillis]

Why is this such a huge cluster fuck?

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2811/kutaragikennk6.jpg

[Citris]

Why is this such a huge cluster fuck?

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2811/kutaragikennk6.jpg
If you look at it for more than a second it looks like his eyes are crossing. It's like those crazy illusion pictures.

[Evilhead]

*sigh* Jesus christ. How is the PS3 having even more problems than even I expected? I've always found the Sony to be a very solid bet for consoles. My PS2 is still invaluable to me because of the awesome games and it's DVD capability. What the hell has gone wrong with their company? Why is this such a huge cluster fuck?

Wait, have there been any major hardware problems yet? Compared with the broken Xbox 360's and all the fried Wii's the PS3 is actually a much more solid machine this time around. The only thing that is a clusterfuck is supply and demand aspect of the launch.

[Bigfoot]

Fried Wiis? Explain.

[Koelsch1]

Yea, I just did a google search and I cant find anything other than 1 or 2 isolated cases of broken Wiis.

[Citris]

*sigh* Jesus christ. How is the PS3 having even more problems than even I expected? I've always found the Sony to be a very solid bet for consoles. My PS2 is still invaluable to me because of the awesome games and it's DVD capability. What the hell has gone wrong with their company? Why is this such a huge cluster fuck?

Wait, have there been any major hardware problems yet? Compared with the broken Xbox 360's and all the fried Wii's the PS3 is actually a much more solid machine this time around. The only thing that is a clusterfuck is supply and demand aspect of the launch.
I really just hope nothing serious does happen. I want to get a PS3 eventually, so it needs to succeed so it's around when I finally have enough money to afford it and a HDTV.

[Evilhead]

Fried Wiis? Explain.

This was pretty big news so I thought you guys had already heard about it.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/20/wii-being-hit-by-fatal-error-110213-could-be-funky-firmware/

http://wheelsee.net/blog1/2006/11/20/my-wii-is-done/

Apparently quite a few people are having this problem (read the comments) and Nintendo is sending out a lot of replacement Wii's. If you want to maintain your save data you have to send it in for repairs which will take a few weeks. This should be in the Wii thread but I wouldn't dare...

[Citris]

Fried Wiis? Explain.

This was pretty big news so I thought you guys had already heard about it.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/20/wii-being-hit-by-fatal-error-110213-could-be-funky-firmware/

Apparently quite a few people are having this problem and Nintendo is sending out a lot of replacement Wii's. If you want to maintain your save data you have to send it in for repairs which will take a few weeks. This should be in the Wii thread but I wouldn't dare...
It already is because it already happened to someone in there.

[Bigfoot]

Fried Wiis? Explain.

This was pretty big news so I thought you guys had already heard about it.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/20/wii-being-hit-by-fatal-error-110213-could-be-funky-firmware/

Apparently quite a few people are having this problem and Nintendo is sending out a lot of replacement Wii's. If you want to maintain your save data you have to send it in for repairs which will take a few weeks. This should be in the Wii thread but I wouldn't dare...

Well, maybe if you used the correct term. That isn't fried. Fried things don't turn on anymore.

[KakTheInfected]

It's a software problem and can be fixed through an update. Until Nintendo can figure out a fix, it only makes sense to replace the consoles for unlucky people.

[Koelsch1]

Fried Wiis? Explain.

This was pretty big news so I thought you guys had already heard about it.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/20/wii-being-hit-by-fatal-error-110213-could-be-funky-firmware/

Apparently quite a few people are having this problem and Nintendo is sending out a lot of replacement Wii's. If you want to maintain your save data you have to send it in for repairs which will take a few weeks. This should be in the Wii thread but I wouldn't dare...

Well, maybe if you used the correct term. That isn't fried. Fried things don't turn on anymore.

I guess we will have to wait and see what happens whith the PS3s. We wont know for a while since they are all still on EBay.

[Evilhead]

Fried Wiis? Explain.

This was pretty big news so I thought you guys had already heard about it.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/20/wii-being-hit-by-fatal-error-110213-could-be-funky-firmware/

Apparently quite a few people are having this problem and Nintendo is sending out a lot of replacement Wii's. If you want to maintain your save data you have to send it in for repairs which will take a few weeks. This should be in the Wii thread but I wouldn't dare...

Well, maybe if you used the correct term. That isn't fried. Fried things don't turn on anymore.


Yeah, well, then the Wii is suffering from an unfixable firmware issue.

http://wheelsee.net/blog1/2006/11/20/my-wii-is-done/

Not the end of the world, but the PS3 is fairing a lot better so far, aside from backwards compatibility issues.

[Koelsch1]

Fried Wiis? Explain.

This was pretty big news so I thought you guys had already heard about it.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/20/wii-being-hit-by-fatal-error-110213-could-be-funky-firmware/

Apparently quite a few people are having this problem and Nintendo is sending out a lot of replacement Wii's. If you want to maintain your save data you have to send it in for repairs which will take a few weeks. This should be in the Wii thread but I wouldn't dare...

Well, maybe if you used the correct term. That isn't fried. Fried things don't turn on anymore.


Yeah, well, then the Wii is suffering from an unfixable firmware issue.

http://wheelsee.net/blog1/2006/11/20/my-wii-is-done/

Not the end of the world, but the PS3 is fairing a lot better so far, aside from backwards compatibility issues.


PS3, error free? Lets see,
- Won't upconvert, leaving non 720P tv owners playing in 480 mode.
- Overheating issues
- Consoles dying (3 flashes of death)
- Errors outputting 720P HD movies
- Controller errors that make them loose sync with the console every few seconds.

[Bahamut]

*sigh* Jesus christ. How is the PS3 having even more problems than even I expected? I've always found the Sony to be a very solid bet for consoles. My PS2 is still invaluable to me because of the awesome games and it's DVD capability. What the hell has gone wrong with their company? Why is this such a huge cluster fuck?

Wait, have there been any major hardware problems yet? Compared with the broken Xbox 360's and all the fried Wii's the PS3 is actually a much more solid machine this time around. The only thing that is a clusterfuck is supply and demand aspect of the launch.

Well, I've heard of mass crashing & freezing of the PS3.

Also about the Wii, one of my friends has a broken Wii (it gives disc read errors for Wii Sports sometimes). From what I hear, there are more Wii problems than you'd normally see from a Nintendo launch though.

[Evilhead]

Post some relevant links?


Anyway, basically all three consoles had rough launches. The Wii seems to be doing well enough but it does have issues. Now please go back to your dank caves people.

[Cecilff2]

Yeah PS3 definitely isn't error free.

Examples of the Red Light of Death.
http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=TVXzN7jCcRA
http://www.news4gamers.com/ps3/News-15536.aspx

[Evilhead]

Good thing that by the time I actually can find a system for sale at retail price these issues should be worked out.

[Koelsch1]

Wait, have there been any major hardware problems yet? the PS3 is actually a much more solid machine this time around.

Anyway, basically all three consoles had rough launches.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Rough launches != hardware problems.

The PS3's problem was the scalping and extreme hardware shortage. Not because of some internal hardware problem in itself.

I hear that the backward compatibility of PS3 works fine as well.

[Bahamut]

Well the problems I've heard about the PS3 are largely from others who work at retail, like some EBGames employees telling me that they had the PS3 crash 4 times on them the day before launch. I remember also seeing a picture of an error message saying that the particular PS3 is corrupted.

[Bigfoot]

*sigh* Jesus christ. How is the PS3 having even more problems than even I expected? I've always found the Sony to be a very solid bet for consoles. My PS2 is still invaluable to me because of the awesome games and it's DVD capability. What the hell has gone wrong with their company? Why is this such a huge cluster fuck?

Wait, have there been any major hardware problems yet? Compared with the broken Xbox 360's and all the fried Wii's the PS3 is actually a much more solid machine this time around. The only thing that is a clusterfuck is supply and demand aspect of the launch.

Well, I've heard of mass crashing & freezing of the PS3.

Also about the Wii, one of my friends has a broken Wii (it gives disc read errors for Wii Sports sometimes). From what I hear, there are more Wii problems than you'd normally see from a Nintendo launch though.

I'm pretty sure all the Wii Sports discs are fucked up or something. Many people have problems with it reading on their Wii.


I got this earlier
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9610/wiierrorri6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nothing is perfect, especially being a first model.

Well the problems I've heard about the PS3 are largely from others who work at retail, like some EBGames employees telling me that they had the PS3 crash 4 times on them the day before launch. I remember also seeing a picture of an error message saying that the particular PS3 is corrupted.

Yeah, I posted a terrible picture this guy I know took. It says "The hard drive's file system is corrupted and will be restored"

[Evilhead]

Wait, have there been any major hardware problems yet? the PS3 is actually a much more solid machine this time around.

Anyway, basically all three consoles had rough launches.

Yeah, I was corrected and changed my stance. This is what reasonable people do. Honestly I hadn't heard of the video issues until now so it was news to me. Please stop trying so hard Koelsch. I'm not really that attached to the PS3. I want one, but I'll have a Xbox 360 much sooner as to me it's the most appealing system right now.

Edit: And as Injin said, most of the 'rough launch' was with the lack of units for sale, not the units themselves.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Even with the PS3s that glitch, apparently it's a concern on the software front. Yes, it's bad and yes, I can see how customers can get furious over it. But it's not exactly as crippling as some hardware issue.

[The Damned]

Wii sports is the only significant error on the system, and that's the disc, not the system. At least Nintendo is offering to fix their hardware, unlike Sony's wonderful history.

Remember those PS2s? And the PSP? Yeah. Let's see you get that PS3 fixed now.

[Evilhead]

Wii sports is the only significant error on the system, and that's the disc, not the system. At least Nintendo is offering to fix their hardware, unlike Sony's wonderful history.

Remember those PS2s? And the PSP? Yeah. Let's see you get that PS3 fixed now.

Read the post above yours! Like the Wii problems, most if not all the issues are software based. And really, there weren't really that many problems with the PSP. I have a PSP with a squishy square button and it's a complete non-issue. People are just looking for things to hate on Sony. When you have some facts (i.e., actual links, reports, etc), please contribute them to the thread!

[sgx]

What N64 port to the DS is $39.99?


"they'll weigh in at anything between 140MB and 550MB"- Ouch, better go buy that 4GB-8GB mem stick for a couple hundred.

And in order to get these PS1 games to your PSP, you need a PS3? Sounds fair enough.

Apparently Sony is working on a way to let you get ps1 games to psp without a PS3. I'm up for that...because I won't be getting a ps3 for a long while. Looking forward to it.

[Zutnunzor]

I don't see myself getting any consoles soon... schooling just doesn't make time for this stuff, No money to buy it, and then no time to play it because of studies... I've been a supporter of all consoles and brands, but I just might have to settle for a Wii next year.

Its either Halo 3, MGS4, or Twilight Princess for me.

[Evilhead]

What N64 port to the DS is $39.99?


"they'll weigh in at anything between 140MB and 550MB"- Ouch, better go buy that 4GB-8GB mem stick for a couple hundred.

And in order to get these PS1 games to your PSP, you need a PS3? Sounds fair enough.

Apparently Sony is working on a way to let you get ps1 games to psp without a PS3. I'm up for that...because I won't be getting a ps3 for a long while. Looking forward to it.

Yeah, I'm guessing that it would be best with the PS3 because you could download several PS1 games on to your PS3 HD, play them there, and when you want to, upload them to your memory stick and play them on your PSP. Sony is probably assuming not everyone has a 4 gig memory stick, and being able to download the games to your PC would be just too easy for software pirates (although I don't see the PS3 to PSP method being very secure either). Still, it would be nice to make it possible for people without PS3s to download the games directly to their PSPs.

[The Author]

What N64 port to the DS is $39.99?


"they'll weigh in at anything between 140MB and 550MB"- Ouch, better go buy that 4GB-8GB mem stick for a couple hundred.

And in order to get these PS1 games to your PSP, you need a PS3? Sounds fair enough.

Apparently Sony is working on a way to let you get ps1 games to psp without a PS3. I'm up for that...because I won't be getting a ps3 for a long while. Looking forward to it.

Yeah, I'm guessing that it would be best with the PS3 because you could download several PS1 games on to your PS3 HD, play them there, and when you want to, upload them to your memory stick and play them on your PSP. Sony is probably assuming not everyone has a 4 gig memory stick, and being able to download the games to your PC would be just too easy for software pirates (although I don't see the PS3 to PSP method being very secure either). Still, it would be nice to make it possible for people without PS3s to download the games directly to their PSPs.




3 Steps of Evilhead:

1: "Sony charges less for its downloadable content to the PS3."

2: "Sony only charges more for games that are downloadable to the PSP through the PS3"

3: "Sony should make these same games playable on both the PSP and PS3."

So which is it Evilhead? Cheaper limited content or expensive content available in many pawn shops?

[Evilhead]

What N64 port to the DS is $39.99?


"they'll weigh in at anything between 140MB and 550MB"- Ouch, better go buy that 4GB-8GB mem stick for a couple hundred.

And in order to get these PS1 games to your PSP, you need a PS3? Sounds fair enough.

Apparently Sony is working on a way to let you get ps1 games to psp without a PS3. I'm up for that...because I won't be getting a ps3 for a long while. Looking forward to it.

Yeah, I'm guessing that it would be best with the PS3 because you could download several PS1 games on to your PS3 HD, play them there, and when you want to, upload them to your memory stick and play them on your PSP. Sony is probably assuming not everyone has a 4 gig memory stick, and being able to download the games to your PC would be just too easy for software pirates (although I don't see the PS3 to PSP method being very secure either). Still, it would be nice to make it possible for people without PS3s to download the games directly to their PSPs.




3 Steps of Evilhead:

1: "Sony charges less for its downloadable content to the PS3."

2: "Sony only charges more for games that are downloadable to the PSP through the PS3"

3: "Sony should make these same games playable on both the PSP and PS3."

So which is it Evilhead? Cheaper limited content or expensive content available in many pawn shops?

1. Even with the higher prices the games are still cheaper than N64 ROMs.

2. The added feature of being able to play the games on the PSP adds incentive to buy the games, hence making them more valuable to me. I already have most of the PS1 games I want, so I probably wouldn't buy many new ones just to play on my PS3. BUT I WOULD pay a few bucks to be able to play these on my PSP without having to mess with glitchy homebrew software.

3. I was just speculating. But my guess is that if you are downloading them to your PS3 to upload to your PSP, you will be able to play them on your PS3 AND your PSP. It just makes sense. Why would they lock you out of playing the game you payed for if you already have it on your harddrive?



Try harder.

[The Author]

And how is it cheaper if you have to buy a 600$ piece of hardware?


As for the N64 roms, well, I'll just put a N64 cardridge in my Wii seeing as it's the same medium.

The PS3 is supposedly 100% backwards compatible. Therefore, any game available from previous consoles can be played on it without needing any form of adaptation. It's a basic download an image and use it to emulate a CD player. It does not need any additional programing and is an extremely simple process. It cannot afford to be more expansive than pawn shop games simply because Sony does not make money from these.


The 8-bit and 16-bit hardwares are rather easy to emulate, but they will need a decent amount of work.

The N64, with its games that used on-board processing and some pretty unique and amazing little technological feats will recquire that much more work.

The price of a product also includes the work needed to do it. Cutting and pasting an image and emulating a CD is a simple job. Writing an emulator for hardware as complex as the N64 is not.



And finally, to come back on that Super Mario 64 "port," seeing as you dismissed the subject like you often do when you may be wrong. I just want to ask again, how is it a port if it includes 3 additional characters, modified levels, added bonus levels, and over 20 minigames?

You do know that you also start playing using Yoshi and you have to unlock other characters? It was not like that on the N64, you know it. However you call it a port because it serves your purpose. By you definition, every sports game would be ports.

Oh, Grand Turismo 4?

Its a port of Grand Turismo 1. I mean, it's the same game with added cars and different tracks.

[Evilhead]

And how is it cheaper if you have to buy a 600$ piece of hardware?

If you are buying a PS3 in order to play PS1 games you are an idiot. This is a moot point.

The 8-bit and 16-bit hardwares are rather easy to emulate, but they will need a decent amount of work.

The N64, with its games that used on-board processing and some pretty unique and amazing little technological feats will recquire that much more work.

The price of a product also includes the work needed to do it. Cutting and pasting an image and emulating a CD is a simple job. Writing an emulator for hardware as complex as the N64 is not.

Which is why there are dozens of freeware N64 emulators written completely by amateurs. Come on, Nintendo has all the programming and design specs on record and have programmers that know the system inside and out. Whipping up an emu is nothing for them. The same for Sony making a PS1 emu run on the PSP.



And finally, to come back on that Super Mario 64 "port," seeing as you dismissed the subject like you often do when you may be wrong. I just want to ask again, how is it a port if it includes 3 additional characters, modified levels, added bonus levels, and over 20 minigames?

Pretty much every port ever made has some kind of extras included. Yes, it might have a few extra levels or more characters, but it's the same damn game. They even called it Super Mario Bros 64. Wouldn't they have renamed it if it was a new game? It's a port. What would you call it? No one is saying ports are bad. I'm just saying that compared to a port that cost $40, $5-$10 for a port of a game from the same generation is hardly a bad deal. Stop getting your panties in a knot about what you are assuming is an attack on your beloved company. All I was saying is that the prices are very reasonable. I didn't even bring up the fact that they resold NES games for $20 a pop for the GBA when you can easily emulate them on the system yourself.

You do know that you also start playing using Yoshi and you have to unlock other characters? It was not like that on the N64, you know it.

Honestly I don't know. I haven't played either version.


Oh, Grand Turismo 4?

Its a port of Grand Turismo 1. I mean, it's the same game with added cars and different tracks.

So you're saying that there's the same difference between GT1 and GT4 as there is between Super Mario 64 on the N64 and Super Mario 64 on the DS? Wow man, whatever you've been smoking please pass that shit.

[The Author]

Hmmm...

People bought PSPs to play NES games... Heck, using a Linux emulator, they are play NES games on the PS3.


And none of these dozen emulators get a 100% emulation simply because of the architechture of the N64. Research it a bit, you will find out that some games supplied their own chips to make it work. Kinda like the SNES starfox.

Also, if the 5$ port included new content, then you would have a point. The 40$ port feels like a game on its own. But you would not know that since you are talking out of your ass. Yes, Nintendo sold ports of NES games. However, you seem to repeat every 5 minutes that companies are in this for the money, and that if people buy it, then it's okay. I think you said that about the PS3's price. But I guess you would not know how hypocritical that makes you...


And please, do tell me what changed in between Grand Turismo 1 and 4, you still drive a car, do some races, and buy some other cars.

[Bahamut]

Jeez, calm down you guys, this is petty bickering.

[sgx]

Hmmm...

People bought PSPs to play NES games... Heck, using a Linux emulator, they are play NES games on the PS3.


And none of these dozen emulators get a 100% emulation simply because of the architechture of the N64. Research it a bit, you will find out that some games supplied their own chips to make it work. Kinda like the SNES starfox.

Also, if the 5$ port included new content, then you would have a point. The 40$ port feels like a game on its own. But you would not know that since you are talking out of your ass. Yes, Nintendo sold ports of NES games. However, you seem to repeat every 5 minutes that companies are in this for the money, and that if people buy it, then it's okay. I think you said that about the PS3's price. But I guess you would not know how hypocritical that makes you...


And please, do tell me what changed in between Grand Turismo 1 and 4, you still drive a car, do some races, and buy some other cars.

Your arguments are pretty dumb.

[Evilhead]

Hmmm...

People bought PSPs to play NES games... Heck, using a Linux emulator, they are play NES games on the PS3.


You can play NES games well enough on a GBA, so if you bought a PSP to play NES games you are just dumb. Now if you bought a PSP to play Genesis, SNES, NeoGeo, MAME, PS1, and N64 games then it would be worth it for a lot of emulation freaks.


And none of these dozen emulators get a 100% emulation simply because of the architechture of the N64. Research it a bit, you will find out that some games supplied their own chips to make it work. Kinda like the SNES starfox.

I know N64 emulation is more difficult for amateur programmers but Nintendo has access to all these extra aspects. Making a N64 emu is not going to be that hard for them.


Also, if the 5$ port included new content, then you would have a point. The 40$ port feels like a game on its own. But you would not know that since you are talking out of your ass. Yes, Nintendo sold ports of NES games. However, you seem to repeat every 5 minutes that companies are in this for the money, and that if people buy it, then it's okay. I think you said that about the PS3's price. But I guess you would not know how hypocritical that makes you...

Whatever people want to spend their money on is fine. It doesn't bother me at all. ALL I AM SAYING, for the 50th time, is that $5-$10 for a PSP port of a PS1 game is a pretty good deal. If you think those extra characters or levels are worth $35 to you, then fine, enjoy it. But I don't see how you can shell out $40 for a port with a few extras and say $5-$10 for a port from the same era is not a good deal. If they were selling an exact port of Super Mario 64 for the DS with no extras for $7.99 would you be complaining about it's high price? I highly doubt it.


And please, do tell me what changed in between Grand Turismo 1 and 4, you still drive a car, do some races, and buy some other cars.

This is the oldest, stupidest, most worn out argument in the history of gaming arguments. What's the difference between FF1 and FFXII. You just fight enemies and level up. What's the difference between Mario 1 and Mario Sunshine. You just hop around on platforms and crush enemies. What's the difference between Wolfenstein 3D and Halo 3? You just run around shooting bad guys. What's the difference between Kung Fu and Tekken 5. You just kick and punch other players. If you argument held any water gaming would have died with the Atari. Explaining the differences between the Gran Turismo games is a waste of time, as is talking with you in general.

[The Author]

Hmmm...

People bought PSPs to play NES games... Heck, using a Linux emulator, they are play NES games on the PS3.


And none of these dozen emulators get a 100% emulation simply because of the architechture of the N64. Research it a bit, you will find out that some games supplied their own chips to make it work. Kinda like the SNES starfox.

Also, if the 5$ port included new content, then you would have a point. The 40$ port feels like a game on its own. But you would not know that since you are talking out of your ass. Yes, Nintendo sold ports of NES games. However, you seem to repeat every 5 minutes that companies are in this for the money, and that if people buy it, then it's okay. I think you said that about the PS3's price. But I guess you would not know how hypocritical that makes you...


And please, do tell me what changed in between Grand Turismo 1 and 4, you still drive a car, do some races, and buy some other cars.

Your arguments are pretty dumb.

I'm arguing like Evilhead.

This is where he would reply "Oh, since I am attacking your beloved company, you resort to personal insults. You are really grasping at straws here.

You Sony fanboys are all the same. Say something other than positive remarks abouta Sony idea and you all get defensive and use insults to get your point across.

I'm having so much fun with all of you it's incredible."

[Smoke]

I've actually paid for both the originals and ported versions of a few games, including Mario 64.

I used to own an N64, but sold it in 2001. I got Mario 64 DS with my DS in 2004, partially because I no longer had the original available and buying a 64 with Mario 64(And possibly a new controller since the analog stick on the N64 pad has too much a habit of dying) would have actually cost more. The added minigames, sharper graphics, multiple characters and quite a few other changes(30 new stars to collect, some classic stars changed around) made it worth it. The wireless multiplayer was a nice bonus, but I never played that much.

I also picked up the NES Classics Zelda, and I also have the NES original and the GC compilation pack. I got the GC version after getting the NES Classics one though. My main reason for this was that it's Zelda, and it's portable. Yes, there's virtually no changes, but a good game stays good, especially if it doesn't require me to hook up the NES again and hope the cart's battery didn't die on me.

Similar to that I picked up LttP on GBA and played and beat that. Also gave the Four Swords multiplayer options a try, but the only person I could play with was a coworker who left the company a few months later.

Next up: Super Mario Advance. I have three versions of SMB2 and SMB3 as a result(NES originals, SNES All-Stars and GBA releases), but in both cases the additions and changes have been worth it. At the time I bought SMA1 I didn't have the NES or SNES versions though.

I've also bought ports where I never owned the original game, such as the NES Classics Castlevania and Sonic Adventure DX.

And then there's the collection releases, which also have added features or bonus games I didn't own before, giving me a reason to buy them.

I don't mind companies releasing ports at all. Even if the games are still pretty much original, there's still reasons to buy them. If anything, it increases the potential audience of a great game and offers people who already know it, used to own the original or still do, a chance to get it again or experience it in a new way.

Nobody's forcing you to buy a port, are they?

[Koelsch1]

Whatever people want to spend their money on is fine. It doesn't bother me at all. ALL I AM SAYING, for the 50th time, is that $5-$10 for a PSP port of a PS1 game is a pretty good deal. If you think those extra characters or levels are worth $35 to you, then fine, enjoy it. But I don't see how you can shell out $40 for a port with a few extras and say $5-$10 for a port from the same era is not a good deal. If they were selling an exact port of Super Mario 64 for the DS with no extras for $7.99 would you be complaining about it's high price? I highly doubt it.

But Mario was ONE game. I think the better thing to do would be to compare the $5-$10 PSP ports to the $5-$10 Wii VC ports.

[Evilhead]

I've actually paid for both the originals and ported versions of a few games, including Mario 64.

I used to own an N64, but sold it in 2001. I got Mario 64 DS with my DS in 2004, partially because I no longer had the original available and buying a 64 with Mario 64(And possibly a new controller since the analog stick on the N64 pad has too much a habit of dying) would have actually cost more. The added minigames, sharper graphics, multiple characters and quite a few other changes(30 new stars to collect, some classic stars changed around) made it worth it. The wireless multiplayer was a nice bonus, but I never played that much.

I also picked up the NES Classics Zelda, and I also have the NES original and the GC compilation pack. I got the GC version after getting the NES Classics one though. My main reason for this was that it's Zelda, and it's portable. Yes, there's virtually no changes, but a good game stays good, especially if it doesn't require me to hook up the NES again and hope the cart's battery didn't die on me.

Similar to that I picked up LttP on GBA and played and beat that. Also gave the Four Swords multiplayer options a try, but the only person I could play with was a coworker who left the company a few months later.

Next up: Super Mario Advance. I have three versions of SMB2 and SMB3 as a result(NES originals, SNES All-Stars and GBA releases), but in both cases the additions and changes have been worth it. At the time I bought SMA1 I didn't have the NES or SNES versions though.

I've also bought ports where I never owned the original game, such as the NES Classics Castlevania and Sonic Adventure DX.

And then there's the collection releases, which also have added features or bonus games I didn't own before, giving me a reason to buy them.

I don't mind companies releasing ports at all. Even if the games are still pretty much original, there's still reasons to buy them. If anything, it increases the potential audience of a great game and offers people who already know it, used to own the original or still do, a chance to get it again or experience it in a new way.

Nobody's forcing you to buy a port, are they?

You seem to be missing the point. Never I have I once said ports are bad. I've bought several versions of many games myself, despite owning the originals. This is more or less an admittedly dumb argument about pricing that arashi seems to love drawing out.

[The Author]

I am drawing out the argument because it's fun to me, to act like a jerk.

Plus you react exactly like I knew you would. You are acting in defense of Sony exactly how some people act to defend Nintendo.

For someone claiming that it's fun being a jerk, evilhead, you don't seem to enjoy it when someone else does it.

Now, did you get the lesson or do I have to start again using wildly idiotic arguments and to wait and see you respond with attempted logic?


I mean, we all know only nintendo fanboys are that stupid...

[Sir_NutS]

I'm with evilhead on this one, most of youkai's arguments are pretty dumb. I really can't see why some ninty fanboys can attack sony's decision of giving ps1 games for cheap and allowing the players to play them on psp and ps3, even more if they're way cheaper than what nintendo is offering on the virtual console which is btw, pretty expensive for just the damn software. What's sony's crime here this time?

EDIT: and if the point of all this is giving evilhead a lesson, it makes it even more dumb and pointless. But on the other side, it makes it more funny.

[The Author]

I'm just saying that if Evilhead can feel better about himself by trolling the Wii thread, maybe I should try to have some fun trolling the PS3 thread with similar results.

Especially after I mentionned yesterday that I was gonna have fun "emulating" his type of posts.


Kinda like the Okami thing all over again. Not only do I point out that I am gonna troll, I tell it to the people I am gonna troll. And they still fall for it.

[Bigfoot]

This will just relate to people in Japan like Evilhead, but here are some PS1 games available in Japan for download.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/22/from-psone-to-psp-via-ps3-a-sony-love-triangle/

¥525 (US$4.50) per title

* Arc the Lad (320MB)
* Biohazard Director's Cut (380MB)
* Bishi Bashi Special (160MB)
* Jumping Flash (280MB)
* Konami Antiques MSX Collection Vol. 1 (40MB)
* Konami Antiques MSX Collection Vol. 2 (40MB)
* Minna no Golf 2 (210MB)
* Silent Bomber (200MB)
* Tekken 2 (550MB)

[Koelsch1]

So EvlilHead, how is the PSP going over there in Japan? I heard the general consensus is that it has pretty much failed over there, and the future isnt too bright over here in the states.

[Bigfoot]

OK, we get it. Evilhead likes Sony systems, but it's not like he's a representative for Sony. He's not going to know how the PSP is doing lol.


This is the PS3 thread, so come on now. Let's all just calm down.

[Smoke]

You seem to be missing the point. Never I have I once said ports are bad. I've bought several versions of many games myself, despite owning the originals. This is more or less an admittedly dumb argument about pricing that arashi seems to love drawing out.

If we're going that way, I don't see why companies shouldn't be free to charge whatever they want for software. Hell, it might be better for them economically to charge more. The potential reduction of sales can be countered with higher profits per item. That part's fairly basic economical knowledge.

[The Damned]

I recall, either in this thread or the Wii thread (i can't remember which it was, exactly) when Evilhead said something about how it's completely reasonable for a company to make money any way they can. It was over some argument about how Sony was ripping off the Wiimote by making their own motion contoller... anyway, the point was that Evilhead was adamant that Sony was doing th right right thing because it was good business sense.

So why is it that it's not good business sense for Nintendo to release games and charge money for them? According to him, if Sony does it, it's good. But if Nintendo does it, it's bad.

So which is it?

[Koelsch1]

God forbid Nintendo make a profit. Its really putting them in the minority here.

[Zaid]

I'm just saying that if Evilhead can feel better about himself by trolling the Wii thread, maybe I should try to have some fun trolling the PS3 thread with similar results.

Especially after I mentionned yesterday that I was gonna have fun "emulating" his type of posts.


Kinda like the Okami thing all over again. Not only do I point out that I am gonna troll, I tell it to the people I am gonna troll. And they still fall for it.

You're pointless. Being a troll just cause someone else is, is...well...ridiculous. Imagine if everyone had your line of thinking.

[Sir_NutS]

God forbid Nintendo make a profit. Its really putting them in the minority here.

Still doesn't takes away the fact that they're trying to fuck you up with overpriced stuff.

[Koelsch1]

God forbid Nintendo make a profit. Its really putting them in the minority here.

Still doesn't takes away the fact that they're trying to fuck you up with overpriced stuff.

Overpriced? Are we still talking about Mario64 DS? Its ONE game. Now look at Sony. $50 PSP games compared to $35 DS games, $700 PS3 compared to $250 Wii, $60 PS3 games compared to $50 Wii games. Who is fucking people up with overpriced stuff, yet still FAILING to make a profit?