Sony PS3

[Zaid]

^ You're going to look like such an ass when the PS3 doesn't flop(neither will the Wii, though I can see it becoming a niche item due to its controller)

[The Author]

^ You're going to look like such an ass when the PS3 doesn't flop(neither will the Wii, though I can see it becoming a niche item due to its controller)

While the PS3 may succeed, it's a dangerous gambit. If they don't make enough money from software sales, the production costs are gonna hit them hard. After the RMA and batteries fiascos, Sony no longer has a thick cushion for the first year or so. If it does not go perfectly, investors will start looking for a way out.

[Zaid]

^ You're going to look like such an ass when the PS3 doesn't flop(neither will the Wii, though I can see it becoming a niche item due to its controller)

While the PS3 may succeed, it's a dangerous gambit. If they don't make enough money from software sales, the production costs are gonna hit them hard. After the RMA and batteries fiascos, Sony no longer has a thick cushion for the first year or so. If it does not go perfectly, investors will start looking for a way out.

I completely agree with you. Investors are already on their heels thinking twice about Sony.

Lucky for Sony the average consumer is far too stupid to bail on them. The PS3 will succeedd due to the average consumer, and eventually the hardcore gamer will pick it up for its must have hits.

I hate to say it, but I don't think Sony deserves to do as well as its going to do with this system.

[Bigfoot]

PS3 losing more exclusives. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/22/ps3-loses-more-exclusives/) - I'd post the link to the actual article, but it's in Japanese.

Sony shipped 125,000-175,000 in North America (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14540). That's very far from Sony's targetted 400,000.

[The Author]

Sorry I can't bring up actual facts, but Wikipedia is not blocked at work and well, it does include some info.

Units sold 88,400[4] (as of November 13, 2006)

According to this anyway: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745507p1.html

Like I said, I could not validate this information.

[Sir_NutS]

God forbid Nintendo make a profit. Its really putting them in the minority here.

Still doesn't takes away the fact that they're trying to fuck you up with overpriced stuff.

Overpriced? Are we still talking about Mario64 DS? Its ONE game. Now look at Sony. $50 PSP games compared to $35 DS games, $700 PS3 compared to $250 Wii, $60 PS3 games compared to $50 Wii games. Who is fucking people up with overpriced stuff, yet still FAILING to make a profit?
If you go back to the beginning of the discussion you will see that the topic was VC games. The port thingy came later, and it's not what I was referring to.

EDIT: Also lol @ people calling doom on sony/nintendo this generation. Both are taking a big risk with their consoles, and both will do well. But for stupid fanboys I guess that's kinda hard to realize.

[The Author]

Well, I want to simply restate that it will be harder for Nintendo to emulate many different hardware where as sony only has to emulate hardware that is mostly included in the PS3.

Also, PS1 titles are playable on the PS3, I can't find where to fit my NES carts on a Wii...

[Bahamut]

God forbid Nintendo make a profit. Its really putting them in the minority here.

Still doesn't takes away the fact that they're trying to fuck you up with overpriced stuff.

Overpriced? Are we still talking about Mario64 DS? Its ONE game. Now look at Sony. $50 PSP games compared to $35 DS games, $700 PS3 compared to $250 Wii, $60 PS3 games compared to $50 Wii games. Who is fucking people up with overpriced stuff, yet still FAILING to make a profit?
If you go back to the beginning of the discussion you will see that the topic was VC games. The port thingy came later, and it's not what I was referring to.

EDIT: Also lol @ people calling doom on sony/nintendo this generation. Both are taking a big risk with their consoles, and both will do well. But for stupid fanboys I guess that's kinda hard to realize.

Well, Sony's big risk is that they're placing the company on the line with blu-ray. They've poured so much money into it that it could be the end of the company if it fails.

[The Author]

It would not take much. 95% of sony's revenue is gone. They have to run the company on 5% with a money losing product. If it goes bad, investors will pull away, sell shares, and a take-over could be in order. It happened to other companies before.

[I-n-j-i-n]

It'd be a strange thought if people ever considered Sony to be in some serious fiscal danger or that Nintendo do home consoles in a relatively low key manner if we were talking about gaming consoles ten years ago. And strangely, Microsoft is going to start breaking even and will probably be in a great situation one or two years from now.

Microsoft #1? huh

That said, I think the PS3 will still do alright. Maybe even run away with success again if every 3rd party jumps in on it again. And I said this many times before, but Nintendo Wii will still end up being a Nintendo console for Nintendo games. It always has been that way since N64.

[Smoke]

God forbid Nintendo make a profit. Its really putting them in the minority here.

Still doesn't takes away the fact that they're trying to fuck you up with overpriced stuff.

If anything I'd say Nintendo's prices are not as bad as Sony's. The PS2 still costs more than the GC pretty much everywhere in the world, and it's weaker hardware. Then there's this fun thing called a class action lawsuit brought against Sony (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/jakx/news.html?sid=6139482) for their failing hardware and telling customers to either just buy a new one or pay for repairs.

Then again, I'd expect some people here to bitch about VC games being overpriced even if they cost 99 cents each, had online functionality, heavily improved graphics and music and came with a free blowjob.

If I have to believe the average gamer, making money on an entertainment product that's nowhere near essential to your survival should be forbidden by law.

[sgx]

Hmmm...

People bought PSPs to play NES games... Heck, using a Linux emulator, they are play NES games on the PS3.


And none of these dozen emulators get a 100% emulation simply because of the architechture of the N64. Research it a bit, you will find out that some games supplied their own chips to make it work. Kinda like the SNES starfox.

Also, if the 5$ port included new content, then you would have a point. The 40$ port feels like a game on its own. But you would not know that since you are talking out of your ass. Yes, Nintendo sold ports of NES games. However, you seem to repeat every 5 minutes that companies are in this for the money, and that if people buy it, then it's okay. I think you said that about the PS3's price. But I guess you would not know how hypocritical that makes you...


And please, do tell me what changed in between Grand Turismo 1 and 4, you still drive a car, do some races, and buy some other cars.

Your arguments are pretty dumb.

I'm arguing like Evilhead.

This is where he would reply "Oh, since I am attacking your beloved company, you resort to personal insults. You are really grasping at straws here.

You Sony fanboys are all the same. Say something other than positive remarks abouta Sony idea and you all get defensive and use insults to get your point across.

I'm having so much fun with all of you it's incredible."

I don't really like Sony as a game company myself. I think it would be better for the games industry if MS and Nintendo led, and better for the movie industry if HD DVD became the standard. This doesn't stop me from buying stuff they make if I want it and I feel it is worth the money to me. I'm not going to let some sort of bias or righteous ideas stop me from playing games I want. I bought a DS before I bought a PSP, so don't tell me I am a Sony fanboy.

Your arguments ARE pretty dumb. I don't see how Sony selling PS1 games is something to knock, at least without knocking Nintendo's virtual console too. Sony's deal actually looks superior to me - comparable prices AND you can play it on the go on the PSP. The "you can buy the games in a store" argument is stupid because, no, most of the time you can't find the games in the store. It would take a lot of searching and luck. The same is true for N64 games. Also, you can't play PS1 DISCS in your PSP.

Evilhead is doing a good job of explaining most everything else, so talking more on the subject would be repetitious.

And dude, I got Mario 64 DS. That game was so bad

:?

[Koelsch1]

It would not take much. 95% of sony's revenue is gone. They have to run the company on 5% with a money losing product. If it goes bad, investors will pull away, sell shares, and a take-over could be in order. It happened to other companies before.

Especially since most of Sony's stock is now owned by western investers. See the thing about western investers is that they are looking much more towards the short term, while the Japanese are looking for the long term. With Sony expecting big loses for the next couple of years with the PS3, shareholders may start pulling out on them.

[I-n-j-i-n]

If anything I'd say Nintendo's prices are not as bad as Sony's. The PS2 still costs more than the GC pretty much everywhere in the world, and it's weaker hardware.

That made absolutely zero sense. DVD player + broadband adaptor are both packed into the system on top of the game system itself. This is not hard to figure out.

Then again, I'd expect some people here to bitch about VC games being overpriced even if they cost 99 cents each, had online functionality, heavily improved graphics and music and came with a free blowjob.

But the truth of the matter will be that they mostly won't get "heavily improved graphics", online functionality (Japanese developers here. We don't care about online. hurr) and other additions. That's just a pipe dream. And yes, people will bitch about it no matter what they do to it. Since every smart gamers can snatch it off the net. But I suppose that's something to do with common sense of smart, more expedient gamers and those who just buy whatever is put in front of them at a price. Same thing as the whole iTunes store deal.


Edit:


Actually, scratch that. Apparently they're keen on botching up classics for VC as well. Fuck:

http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/donkeykongnes/review.html?sid=6162202

[Smoke]

If anything I'd say Nintendo's prices are not as bad as Sony's. The PS2 still costs more than the GC pretty much everywhere in the world, and it's weaker hardware.

That made absolutely zero sense. DVD player + broadband adaptor are both packed into the system on top of the game system itself. This is not hard to figure out.

Yet this was also the case before the slimline model came out, and back then the GC came with a recent game as well while the PS2 didn't. Make more sense now?

Actually, scratch that. Apparently they're keen on botching up classics for VC as well. Fuck:

http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/donkeykongnes/review.html?sid=6162202

It's the NES version, which was raped from the start. Not the original arcade version, which was also never promised or hinted at for a VC title. This is also stated in the review itself several times.

It'll be more interesting when DK64 is revealed as a VC title, since that includes the original arcade version.

[Razumen]

"Nutrition and pleasurable sense data," burbled the PS3. "Share and Enjoy."

"My pre-order was canceled!"

"If you have enjoyed the experience of this PS3," continued the machine, "why not share it with your friends?"

[Bahamut]

For those like Atomicfog, you should find this (http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7250) useful:

Speaking to CBC News, Sony Computer Entertainment of Canada's marketing and public relations manager Matt Levitan announced that North American gamers who missed out on the launch will have another chance to grab a PS3 next week.

"We are getting a second shipment next week, probably around the middle of next week. We'll know by Monday or Tuesday when they will be available.

"We are flying in shipments from Japan and China, and will probably ship them directly to retail" [instead of to Sony's warehouses], he said.

Levitas expects 4 or 5 additional shipments by the end of 2006, with each shipment containing a quarter of the units that were available at launch. He unfortunately didn't state what that number was. If Sony's original 400K launch number is to be believed, that means another 400-500K in the next six weeks.

[Bigfoot]

For those like Atomicfog, you should find this (http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7250) useful:

Speaking to CBC News, Sony Computer Entertainment of Canada's marketing and public relations manager Matt Levitan announced that North American gamers who missed out on the launch will have another chance to grab a PS3 next week.

"We are getting a second shipment next week, probably around the middle of next week. We'll know by Monday or Tuesday when they will be available.

"We are flying in shipments from Japan and China, and will probably ship them directly to retail" [instead of to Sony's warehouses], he said.

Levitas expects 4 or 5 additional shipments by the end of 2006, with each shipment containing a quarter of the units that were available at launch. He unfortunately didn't state what that number was. If Sony's original 400K launch number is to be believed, that means another 400-500K in the next six weeks.

So does this mean more people camping and more riots/shootings/robberies?

Let's hope not.

[PriZm]

So I just bought a PS3 from a store that just received 3 20GB systems today and nobody knew about it.

Wish me luck for selling it on eBay.

[Bigfoot]

So I just bought a PS3 from a store that just received 3 20GB systems today and nobody knew about it.

Wish me luck for selling it on eBay.

Might as well do it now I guess. I hear they're pretty low compared to what they used to be.

[Bigfoot]

Broken PS3 right out of the box. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7oBYXjOG4)

[The Author]

Broken PS3 right out of the box. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7oBYXjOG4)

Well, he did try to play a game on it. Its not meant for that...

[The Damned]

Broken PS3 right out of the box. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7oBYXjOG4)

Well, he did try to play a game on it. Its not meant for that...
OH SNAP!
So I just bought a PS3 from a store that just received 3 20GB systems today and nobody knew about it.

Wish me luck for selling it on eBay.

Might as well do it now I guess. I hear they're pretty low compared to what they used to be.
Considering that the prices for PS3s on eBay has eben dropping a lot lately, you might only get a small amount for it. Or you could, you know, just play it.

[Viol8tor]

Broken PS3 right out of the box. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7oBYXjOG4)

Made me lol. :lol:

[Ace-Of-War]

I know ya'll have already heard the story of the "Sony Playstations, 3 of them" guy, but have you see the man who got a 60 GB PS3, 2 year warranty, 2 games, Blue-Ray movie, and an extra controller for .99 cents (http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-60-GB-Console-Free-2yr-WARRANTY_W0QQitemZ280051645657QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#DESCDATA)?

Someone made their auction a buy it now instead of an actual starting bid.

[Bigfoot]

I know ya'll have already heard the story of the "Sony Playstations, 3 of them" guy, but have you see the man who got a 60 GB PS3, 2 year warranty, 2 games, Blue-Ray movie, and an extra controller for .99 cents (http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-60-GB-Console-Free-2yr-WARRANTY_W0QQitemZ280051645657QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#DESCDATA)?

Someone made their auction a buy it now instead of an actual starting bid.

I'm gonna call BS on that. Maybe it was 2 friends doing it as a joke to get attention.

[TheCatPhysician]

Broken PS3 right out of the box. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7oBYXjOG4)Didn't I get yelled at earlier for saying that was possible? :wink: Oh well, I just meant to say that if something goes wrong with your PS3, be it an out of the box malfunction or not, it would probably suck because it will be really difficult to get it replaced and stuff, what with the high demand and low supply of PS3s.

[Bigfoot]

Broken PS3 right out of the box. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7oBYXjOG4)Didn't I get yelled at earlier for saying that was possible? :wink: Oh well, I just meant to say that if something goes wrong with your PS3, be it an out of the box malfunction or not, it would probably suck because it will be really difficult to get it replaced and stuff, what with the high demand and low supply of PS3s.

I'm guessing something happened during shipping. I doubt they'd let something just go without testing it first.

[Bahamut]

Broken PS3 right out of the box. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7oBYXjOG4)Didn't I get yelled at earlier for saying that was possible? :wink: Oh well, I just meant to say that if something goes wrong with your PS3, be it an out of the box malfunction or not, it would probably suck because it will be really difficult to get it replaced and stuff, what with the high demand and low supply of PS3s.

I'm guessing something happened during shipping. I doubt they'd let something just go without testing it first.

Actually, testing is usually on a small sample of units per shipment - it's just standard.

[The Damned]

Standard on a normal product, yes. But with the super-low numbers that Sony has put out so far (and will continue to in the next few months), they may not be able to afford to test units.

[The Author]

Standard on a normal product, yes. But with the super-low numbers that Sony has put out so far (and will continue to in the next few months), they may not be able to afford to test units.

Hence why they don't ship to Europe. The CE norms are strict and most likely impose testing units.

[Ace-Of-War]

I know ya'll have already heard the story of the "Sony Playstations, 3 of them" guy, but have you see the man who got a 60 GB PS3, 2 year warranty, 2 games, Blue-Ray movie, and an extra controller for .99 cents (http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-PS3-60-GB-Console-Free-2yr-WARRANTY_W0QQitemZ280051645657QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6 2054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#DESCDATA)?

Someone made their auction a buy it now instead of an actual starting bid.

I'm gonna call BS on that. Maybe it was 2 friends doing it as a joke to get attention.

Even if it wasn't, I think the seller would "accidently" forget to honor that auction... even at the risk of getting a negative rating.

It would be funny if it went through though, like if the seller was Hank Hill or something.

[Atomicfog]

Well now selling the PS3 may not be worth it for some since they usually only seem to go from $200 to $400 over their price now, but this idea is nice:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Play-Station-3-EMPTY-BOX-ONLY_W0QQitemZ280050475643QQihZ018QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Bahamut]

Well now selling the PS3 may not be worth it for some since they usually only seem to go from $200 to $400 over their price now, but this idea is nice:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Play-Station-3-EMPTY-BOX-ONLY_W0QQitemZ280050475643QQihZ018QQcategoryZ62054 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I'm going to be doing that with 3 Wii boxes actually.

[Bigfoot]

So Sony finally has a commercial with gameplay, but I couldn't find it on youtube.

[Bigfoot]

So Resistance is supposed to be 17.75GB. Well this guy found that a lot of is just padding. I heard they do this so the data is pushed to the outside for faster reading.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130883


So if this is true, Sony sure is full of themselves when they say Blu-Ray is the next gen of gaming.

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[The Damned]

So Resistance is supposed to be 17.75GB. Well this guy found that a lot of is just padding. I heard they do this so the data is pushed to the outside for faster reading.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130883


So if this is true, Sony sure is full of themselves when they say Blu-Ray is the next gen of gaming.

moon language or something
You're going to have to explain that for those of us that don't read binary or whatever that is.

[Bigfoot]

So Resistance is supposed to be 17.75GB. Well this guy found that a lot of is just padding. I heard they do this so the data is pushed to the outside for faster reading.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130883


So if this is true, Sony sure is full of themselves when they say Blu-Ray is the next gen of gaming.

moon language or something
You're going to have to explain that for those of us that don't read binary or whatever that is.

Honestly, I can't explain it. On the forums someone said people usually do it so push the data the outer area for faster read times.

[KakTheInfected]

If this is true...wow, that's sad.

"HAVE YOU EVEN HEARD OF THE BLU-RAY? IT'S THE FUTURE!"

[Bahamut]

Sony loves to mislead everyone, I'm sure this shouldn't be surprising.

[Penfold]

"HAVE YOU EVEN HEARD OF THE BLU-RAY? IT'S THE FUTURE!"

That video still makes me lol.

[Bigfoot]

Apparently the claim is BS now, because the guy thought the numbers on the left were kilobytes instead of bytes or somethin.

[Poiso]

So Resistance is supposed to be 17.75GB. Well this guy found that a lot of is just padding. I heard they do this so the data is pushed to the outside for faster reading.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130883


So if this is true, Sony sure is full of themselves when they say Blu-Ray is the next gen of gaming.
Or maybe it's just not Resistance which is the next generation of gaming? High capacity on the discs seems like a nice thing to have, whether or not current games are really using it.

But yeah it kinda is a dick move to claim Resistance is that huge when it ain't!

[PriZm]

So Resistance is supposed to be 17.75GB. Well this guy found that a lot of is just padding. I heard they do this so the data is pushed to the outside for faster reading.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130883

So if this is true, Sony sure is full of themselves when they say Blu-Ray is the next gen of gaming.

moon language or something
You're going to have to explain that for those of us that don't read binary or whatever that is.


The big numbers on the left are the sectors on the disk where the data is to be found, not the filesize. It is like number that tells the device the physical position on the file.

All games in history have padding, because of limitations on the devices. I don't know specifically about the PS3 Blu-Ray, but let's say the Blu-Ray can seek only on 1 Meg aligned files. It means that if your movie file takes 17.6 Megs, you have to generate 0.4 Megs of padding to be able to seek (read) the next file on the disc, which would be at 18 Megs.

Also, give it time. Just as there were new ways to exploit the DVD to store more space in games, I don't see how having 25G on a disc can NOT be beneficial for future games.

[The Damned]

Also, give it time. Just as there were new ways to exploit the DVD to store more space in games, I don't see how having 25G on a disc can NOT be beneficial for future games.
Cut scenes. Hours of them. If I wanted to watch shiny pre-rendered CG, I'd pop in a movie by Pixar.

[Psychonaut]

I think that developers, logically speaking, will use as much space as is available to them. If 45GB of storage is available on a write-once type of media, there's no reason not to store everything in a larger format to reduce loading/processing times.

Attacking the media format because people could potentially have too much space is probably the most absurd route I can think of taking. There are plenty of other things about Blu-Ray you could criticize.

[Bahamut]

I think that developers, logically speaking, will use as much space as is available to them. If 45GB of storage is available on a write-once type of media, there's no reason not to store everything in a larger format to reduce loading/processing times.

Attacking the format because people could potentially have too much space is probably the most absurd route I can think of taking. There are plenty of other things about Blu-Ray you could criticize.

Like the slower read speed than HD-DVD and DVD?

[Psychonaut]

I think that developers, logically speaking, will use as much space as is available to them. If 45GB of storage is available on a write-once type of media, there's no reason not to store everything in a larger format to reduce loading/processing times.

Attacking the format because people could potentially have too much space is probably the most absurd route I can think of taking. There are plenty of other things about Blu-Ray you could criticize.

Like the slower read speed than HD-DVD and DVD?

My hero.

[Bahamut]

So, is there anyone with a PS3 here that can say anything about load speeds for games on the PS3?

[The Damned]

Statistically, with the number of members this board has, and the number of PS3s that were sold around the world... no. No one here got one. China took them all.

[Bigfoot]

Statistically, with the number of members this board has, and the number of PS3s that were sold around the world... no. No one here got one. China took them all.

Heh, I actually think one person here has one.

[Bahamut]

Well, that Specter guy has (had?) one, and the other poster kupernick (sp?) mentioned getting one at launch.

[Specter]

Well, that Specter guy has (had?) one, and the other poster kupernick (sp?) mentioned getting one at launch.

Actually, I never got one, the reason why is explained somewhere else that I'm too lazy to find. Mostly it was becasue Fry's was only selling them in $1100 bundle-packs.

[kupernikus]

I do have one, well, 3 for now, mine and two gifts for christmas. REsistance fall of man is a blast, but, thats all I have for now.

[Bahamut]

Whoa 2 PS3s as gifts? How rich are ya?

[PriZm]

I do have one, but it's still in the box waiting to be sold at 2 times the price.

[The Damned]

I do have one, but it's still in the box waiting to be sold at 2 times the price.
Considering the prices on eBay have been dropping lately, you may want to settle for only one and a half times the price.

[SilverStar]

I do have one, but it's still in the box waiting to be sold at 2 times the price.
Considering the prices on eBay have been dropping lately, you may want to settle for only one and a half times the price.

Considering some auctions I saw yesterday, he might have to sell at a loss. I saw 60GB PS3s with less than an hour left, going for about 600CAD. They hadn't even hit their reserve price yet.

There's also a Walmart in/near Granite City, that has had a 60GB PS3 since the day after launch and it hasn't even been asked after yet. They can't keep the Wii on the shelves, of course.

[PriZm]

I do have one, but it's still in the box waiting to be sold at 2 times the price.
Considering the prices on eBay have been dropping lately, you may want to settle for only one and a half times the price.

Considering some auctions I saw yesterday, he might have to sell at a loss. I saw 60GB PS3s with less than an hour left, going for about 600CAD. They hadn't even hit their reserve price yet.

There's also a Walmart in/near Granite City, that has had a 60GB PS3 since the day after launch and it hasn't even been asked after yet. They can't keep the Wii on the shelves, of course.

Haha shit that's true ! Oh shit I'm fucked 8O

[Hector]

Lets not generalize particulars too much. I visited a store in my area with two Wiis for sale and not a single PS3. Markets are uneven, burps happen, and E-bay oftentimes sells to the people in the worst local markets (i.e., no systems free till March).

[SilverStar]

Lets not generalize particulars too much. I visited a store in my area with two Wiis for sale and not a single PS3. Markets are uneven, burps happen, and E-bay oftentimes sells to the people in the worst local markets (i.e., no systems free till March).

Watch out. If you sell your PS3 to those markets, Sony will come by and shut you down! Even if it isn't Europe you're selling it to!

And most places don't have a single PS3 for sale, and it'd be natural that in some markets there might be a Wii or 2 available. That's just how the numbers work. But that there would still be a launch unit, unopened, sitting and not even being asked for, without an additional shipment, is just silly for such a high demand system.

[linkspast]

could not get a ps3 use your 1337hax0r sikilz to get on3

http://ps3.shimpinomori.net/index_en.html

[Petara]

There's actually still some out there that didn't sell within the first day, if not the first few minutes??


Shouldn't be too suprised I suppose. Guess that's what i get for living in Montana...I think the count was less than fifty total here in Great Falls on that day. Of course I had one reserved 5 months eariler at Sam Goody (the only place that was taking reservations at the time mind you.) However, when I went to pick it up, they told me they didn't get any and weren't going to until sometime NEXT YEAR. A little angry? Yes, you could say that.

[Bahamut]

So I got to play Resistance: Fall of Man a little at EB earlier...and while the graphics were impressive, the controls felt too rigid & slow. I'm not usually an advocate of the keyboard/mouse, but here is a situation where the keyboard/mouse just beats the PS3 controller.

[Razumen]

So I got to play Resistance: Fall of Man a little at EB earlier...and while the graphics were impressive, the controls felt too rigid & slow. I'm not usually an advocate of the keyboard/mouse, but here is a situation where the keyboard/mouse just beats the PS3 controller.

...
Except it doesn't. Because afaik it doesn't support it.

[Bahamut]

So I got to play Resistance: Fall of Man a little at EB earlier...and while the graphics were impressive, the controls felt too rigid & slow. I'm not usually an advocate of the keyboard/mouse, but here is a situation where the keyboard/mouse just beats the PS3 controller.

...
Except it doesn't. Because afaik it doesn't support it.

My point was that the control scheme just felt way too rigid.

[Bigfoot]

Seems like neither side is having good luck with firmware updates.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3-111-update-crashes-my-console-217634.php

[Bigfoot]

Looks like the PS3 is turning out to be another PSP.

"So hows that movie player/ROM player you got there for $600?"

http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21378


C'mon now Sony. This is not looking good for you at all.

[Evilhead]

So it's going to be a solid peice of hardware with many capabilities and a great game library? Sounds awful!



Anyway, it's too early to call anything of the sort really.

[Bigfoot]

So it's going to be a solid peice of hardware with many capabilities and a great game library? Sounds awful!



Anyway, it's too early to call anything of the sort really.

Nice great game library when 3rd parties can't even make games yet.

[Evilhead]

So it's going to be a solid peice of hardware with many capabilities and a great game library? Sounds awful!



Anyway, it's too early to call anything of the sort really.

Nice great game library when 3rd parties can't even make games yet.

Yes, there will be no 3rd party games for the PS3. You heard it here first, folks!

[Bigfoot]

So it's going to be a solid peice of hardware with many capabilities and a great game library? Sounds awful!



Anyway, it's too early to call anything of the sort really.

Nice great game library when 3rd parties can't even make games yet.

Yes, there will be no 3rd party games for the PS3. You heard it here first, folks!

Can you read? I said "yet".


And if I'm not mistaken, that article says 1 year.

[Evilhead]

So it's going to be a solid peice of hardware with many capabilities and a great game library? Sounds awful!



Anyway, it's too early to call anything of the sort really.

Nice great game library when 3rd parties can't even make games yet.

Yes, there will be no 3rd party games for the PS3. You heard it here first, folks!

Can you read? I said "yet".


And if I'm not mistaken, that article says 1 year.


Where does it say that? I read the article like three times and didn't notice anything about a year.

The guy is basically just whining "OMG THE PS3 IS HARD TO DEVELOP FOR!" Exactly the same as the PS2 launch. He even mentions the PS2 launch.

[Bahamut]

Who cares, let's just wait till the games start trickling in.

[Evilhead]

Who cares, let's just wait till the games start trickling in.

Exactly. Especially since it's basically impossible to get your hands on a PS3 for retail price, who cares about the launch titles? By the time I get one there will be plenty of titles to choose from.

[Bigfoot]

So it's going to be a solid peice of hardware with many capabilities and a great game library? Sounds awful!



Anyway, it's too early to call anything of the sort really.

Nice great game library when 3rd parties can't even make games yet.

Yes, there will be no 3rd party games for the PS3. You heard it here first, folks!

Can you read? I said "yet".


And if I'm not mistaken, that article says 1 year.


Where does it say that? I read the article like three times and didn't notice anything about a year.

The guy is basically just whining "OMG THE PS3 IS HARD TO DEVELOP FOR!" Exactly the same as the PS2 launch. He even mentions the PS2 launch.

Nevermind then, Joystiq said that for some reason. "In other words, the GDC boss is giving it a year." Dunno where they got that from.


This doesn't mean the exact same thing will happen like the PS2. We'll just have to wait and find out.

[Evilhead]

Yes, no one can tell how it will turn out. Which is why it's kind of silly to say stuff like

Looks like the PS3 is turning out to be another PSP.

"So hows that movie player/ROM player you got there for $600?"

C'mon now Sony. This is not looking good for you at all.

[Petara]

Yes, no one can tell how it will turn out. Which is why it's kind of silly to say stuff like

Looks like the PS3 is turning out to be another PSP.

"So hows that movie player/ROM player you got there for $600?"

C'mon now Sony. This is not looking good for you at all.

kinda like saying: "You paid $600 for a freakin playstation?" (or more)

wait a sec...how is it that much better than the others to cost so much more?

is it?
call that a silly question.

After my reservation fiasco, I am way close to buying a 360 instead. almost like a get a second chance at this whole thing.

I'll wait a while longer...

[TheCatPhysician]

Yes, no one can tell how it will turn out. Which is why it's kind of silly to say stuff like

Looks like the PS3 is turning out to be another PSP.

"So hows that movie player/ROM player you got there for $600?"

C'mon now Sony. This is not looking good for you at all.

kinda like saying: "You paid $600 for a freakin playstation?" (or more)

wait a sec...how is it that much better than the others to cost so much more?

is it?
call that a silly question.It's got Blue Ray, so it's actually a really good deal if you wanted to get Blue Ray anyway. But if you don't have HDTV, you're basically wasting money.

[Petara]

Actually bought a Phillips 32" HDTV 3 weeks ago (hooray davis-bacon wages all summer.) It's been great to play FF12 on it and I am looking forward to goin hdmi-style with a ps3, but sadly, I know not one of the fifty people who owns one in this city.

[PriZm]

The PS3 being the only console that can playback movies in HD is a big deal for some people, like me. It's nearly impossible to buy a new quality TV without HD now so I'm betting it will get pretty standard in something like 3 years.

[TheCatPhysician]

The PS3 being the only console that can playback movies in HD is a big deal for some people, like me. It's nearly impossible to buy a new quality TV without HD now so I'm betting it will get pretty standard in something like 3 years.Of course, it's definetely good for people who have HD, especially those who want to watch HD moves; You get a BlueRay player for really cheap. I'm just saying that at the same time it's actually bad for people who don't have HDTVs, because you're obligated to pay for something you essentially aren't going to use. Also I really disagree that it's near impossible to buy a new quality TV that isn't HD. My parents bought a brand new LCD TV less than 2 months ago that isn't HD, and they don't even know what HD is; they just went and picked up a nice-looking new TV at RadioShack. Same thing with my friend a little while before. Look around; there are plenty of new TVs that don't have HD.

[Bahamut]

Conversely, my parents wasted $800 on an HDTV in which they don't use the HD for anything. I do see plenty of standard TVs that would be just fine for me though.

[Evilhead]

The PS3 being the only console that can playback movies in HD is a big deal for some people, like me. It's nearly impossible to buy a new quality TV without HD now so I'm betting it will get pretty standard in something like 3 years.Of course, it's definetely good for people who have HD, especially those who want to watch HD moves; You get a BlueRay player for really cheap. I'm just saying that at the same time it's actually bad for people who don't have HDTVs, because you're obligated to pay for something you essentially aren't going to use. Also I really disagree that it's near impossible to buy a new quality TV that isn't HD. My parents bought a brand new LCD TV less than 2 months ago that isn't HD, and they don't even know what HD is; they just went and picked up a nice-looking new TV at RadioShack. Same thing with my friend a little while before. Look around; there are plenty of new TVs that don't have HD.

Who the hell buys TVs at Radio Shack? Yes, old clueless people.


Anyway, this argument has been made a thousand times, really. Yes, you are being forced to buy something. Wait, except you're not being forced to buy anything! Oh, and those shiny new PS3 games happen to use that Blu-Ray drive too. Looks like it's useful after all!

[Poiso]

i'm on the side of people who has and loves an HD-TV and i have this to say to those of you who don't:

shut up. stop whining. i am going to go enjoy my hd-tv now.

[Specter]

HDTV owner +1 here. Well, it's not mine, per se, but it is in my place of residence. Anyways, it's pretty old, like one of the first HD plasmas ever. I'm surprised it's held up for this long though. The colors and clarity are still as good as the day my dad bought it for a ridiculously inflated price. Of course, it only does 720i, but at this point I only use it to watch my favorite TV shows (all of which happen to be in HD, and none in 1080) so it doesn't rally matter.

[TheCatPhysician]

Who the hell buys TVs at Radio Shack? Yes, old clueless people.
The point I was making was that new TVs that don't have HD are still very common, which is true.

Anyway, this argument has been made a thousand times, really. Yes, you are being forced to buy something. Wait, except you're not being forced to buy anything!Correct, nobody is forcing anyone to buy a PS3. But did I say that? No. You're taking this way out of context, completely missing the point and you know it. If you want to buy a PS3, you are also going to have to pay for the BlueRay whether you want it or not. Oh, and those shiny new PS3 games happen to use that Blu-Ray drive too. Looks like it's useful after all!Yeah, they provide a lot of space for that useful padding. Games don't need that much space; see the Xbox 360. If Xbox 360 and PS3 games are practically the same in graphics/size, then to someone who doesn't have an HDTV, buying a PS3 compared to a 360 would seem like spending $200 on nothing. Maybe in the future games will be made for the PS3 that actually use up enough space to make use of the BlueRay by adding craploads of music or something. Or who knows, maybe PS3 games will start to become completely unique from Xbox 360 games in size, actually requiring all that extra space for necessary things in the games, not just space to throw a bunch of extras. If that happens, then I'll admit I'm wrong. But as of now Xbox 360 and PS3 games are similar and roughly the same size.

And still, one of the main reasons people can justify spending $600 on the PS3 is because it has the BlueRay, but the main advantage they see is that it allows them to watch HD movies. It costs a lot more to buy just a regular BlueRay player to watch HD movies on. Now, of course it's better to have a console that uses discs with more disc space than less, but having seen that the games so far don't even need that space, and that some games even fake it by using padding just to push the actual used data to the outer parts of the disc, I'm not sure it would seem so beneficial for someone without an HDTV to spend $200 more than they would need to buy an otherwise similar system, the Xbox 360. Of course there are other factors that decide which they will choose, mainly what games are for each system, but looking at just the systems, the Xbox 360 seems to be a much better deal than the PS3 for someone without HD, because it is basically the same thing (to them, of course). At least it's not enough different to make the PS3 worth $200 more. Again, to avoid confusion, I'm talking about people WITHOUT HDTV. If you do have an HDTV, it's a different story.

[Bahamut]

I still wouldn't compare the XBox 360 & PS3 for graphics yet - it's still too early in the generation. I'm sure as the years go by, we'll see some more unique gems from the PS3. For example, Gears of War supposedly pushes the XBox 360 hard, but the PS3 launch titles are just that, launch titles.

[Sir_NutS]

I have a question to HDTV owners and techy fans around here. If I get a let's say 25" widescreen monitor with dvi input(or maybe HDMI too), can I in some way connect a ps3/x360 to it and get the HD output? does it looks as good as in a HDTV?

[Bigfoot]

I have a question to HDTV owners and techy fans around here. If I get a let's say 25" widescreen monitor with dvi input(or maybe HDMI too), can I in some way connect a ps3/x360 to it and get the HD output? does it looks as good as in a HDTV?

I think it depends on if it can display 1080p/720p or whatever.

[megadave]

I still wouldn't compare the XBox 360 & PS3 for graphics yet - it's still too early in the generation. I'm sure as the years go by, we'll see some more unique gems from the PS3. For example, Gears of War supposedly pushes the XBox 360 hard, but the PS3 launch titles are just that, launch titles.

I really, really need to play that game. I have to see it myself. Is there anything that can compete with it graphically right now?

[atmuh]

I still wouldn't compare the XBox 360 & PS3 for graphics yet - it's still too early in the generation. I'm sure as the years go by, we'll see some more unique gems from the PS3. For example, Gears of War supposedly pushes the XBox 360 hard, but the PS3 launch titles are just that, launch titles.

I really, really need to play that game. I have to see it myself. Is there anything that can compete with it graphically right now?

nothing I've seen

[Evilhead]

Who the hell buys TVs at Radio Shack? Yes, old clueless people.
The point I was making was that new TVs that don't have HD are still very common, which is true.

Anyway, this argument has been made a thousand times, really. Yes, you are being forced to buy something. Wait, except you're not being forced to buy anything!Correct, nobody is forcing anyone to buy a PS3. But did I say that? No. You're taking this way out of context, completely missing the point and you know it. If you want to buy a PS3, you are also going to have to pay for the BlueRay whether you want it or not. Oh, and those shiny new PS3 games happen to use that Blu-Ray drive too. Looks like it's useful after all!Yeah, they provide a lot of space for that useful padding. Games don't need that much space; see the Xbox 360. If Xbox 360 and PS3 games are practically the same in graphics/size, then to someone who doesn't have an HDTV, buying a PS3 compared to a 360 would seem like spending $200 on nothing. Maybe in the future games will be made for the PS3 that actually use up enough space to make use of the BlueRay by adding craploads of music or something. Or who knows, maybe PS3 games will start to become completely unique from Xbox 360 games in size, actually requiring all that extra space for necessary things in the games, not just space to throw a bunch of extras. If that happens, then I'll admit I'm wrong. But as of now Xbox 360 and PS3 games are similar and roughly the same size.

And still, one of the main reasons people can justify spending $600 on the PS3 is because it has the BlueRay, but the main advantage they see is that it allows them to watch HD movies. It costs a lot more to buy just a regular BlueRay player to watch HD movies on. Now, of course it's better to have a console that uses discs with more disc space than less, but having seen that the games so far don't even need that space, and that some games even fake it by using padding just to push the actual used data to the outer parts of the disc, I'm not sure it would seem so beneficial for someone without an HDTV to spend $200 more than they would need to buy an otherwise similar system, the Xbox 360. Of course there are other factors that decide which they will choose, mainly what games are for each system, but looking at just the systems, the Xbox 360 seems to be a much better deal than the PS3 for someone without HD, because it is basically the same thing (to them, of course). At least it's not enough different to make the PS3 worth $200 more. Again, to avoid confusion, I'm talking about people WITHOUT HDTV. If you do have an HDTV, it's a different story.

Remember when 32k of RAM was more than enough for anybody? Probably not, but being shortsighted is a big blunder. Look at the N64. Sticking with the old media lost them a lot of their treasured third parties like Square. Games are getting more and more expansive, so extra space is a good thing.

And no, no one is forcing you to buy a blu-ray player. If you don't need one, get an Xbox 360 instead. I'm sure there will be plenty of good games for it.

[Bigfoot]

Reviews are in for Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom

From Joystiq:

# IGN (65/100) wants more PS3 and less PSP: "Apart from the repetitive combat system, there's a ton of gameplay issues that you'd hope would've been fixed with the transition over to the PS3. Load times are surprisingly long when you're accessing new levels. Rocks and boxes, as well as hills or background objects can cause your character to freeze in mid-jumping animation for at least five or six seconds. You'll also run into a lot of camera problems during combat, where the camera will unexpectedly zoom in or out during a fight."

# GameSpot (60/100) thinks Dark Kingdom is ill-suited for looters: "Gear lust is one of the more prominent driving forces in dungeon crawlers, and it's here that Dark Kingdom comes up short. Pieces of armor with different names and radically different effects look identical on your character, limiting the joy of equipping new gear and seeing how it looks on your increasingly badass adventurer. Your character will use the same basic weapon, as well as most of the same combo attacks, from beginning to end."

# GameSpy (60/100) hopes Sony is planning to make better use of the PS3's storage capacity: "What surprises me the most about the whole pre-formed character shtick is how confining it seems for a next-gen console with the power of the PS3. Look at the character customization options in Oblivion and you might understand where I'm coming from with this. All that power and I only have three options to choose from?"






Looks like Resistance is still the game to get for the PS3.

[TheCatPhysician]

Remember when 32k of RAM was more than enough for anybody? Probably not, but being shortsighted is a big blunder. Look at the N64. Sticking with the old media lost them a lot of their treasured third parties like Square. Games are getting more and more expansive, so extra space is a good thing.

And no, no one is forcing you to buy a blu-ray player. If you don't need one, get an Xbox 360 instead. I'm sure there will be plenty of good games for it.
Once again, taking what I said WAY out of context and missing the point by a longshot. Usually you do crap like this just to make people mad, then after they respond you do your little "LOLZ i got a reaction," but for some reason you're still pressing it. So once again: IF you want to buy a PS3, you will also have to buy a BluRay, as it is part of the PS3. You buy a PS3, and money was spent on BluRay. Nobody is forcing you buy the PS3 in the first place, but I did NOT say that. Stop trying to make me look like an idiot.

And yeah, it's always better to have more space. The question is how much that space is worth. After reading the responses to my last post, I'll agree that it was too early for me to assume that, because so far we have only seen launch PS3 games, as someone said. But you can't deny that someone without an HDTV who buys a PS3 is missing out on a huge advantage that people who have HDTVs would have.

I know that from my perspective, I'm thinking I might buy either a PS3 or 360 sometime and I don't have an HDTV, so right now the 360 seems to be a much better deal, because until PS3 games prove that they can actually become unique using that much space, it's a waste of $200. And even if the games do, then you still have to decide if bigger games are worth paying $200 extra.

[Bahamut]

People who buy the PS3 for that price should have the money for an HDTV anyway.

[Bigfoot]

People who buy the PS3 for that price should have the money for an HDTV anyway.

Not necessarily true. I could have bought the PS3, but there's no way I can afford a 2000-3000 HDTV.

[Bahamut]

People who buy the PS3 for that price should have the money for an HDTV anyway.

Not necessarily true. I could have bought the PS3, but there's no way I can afford a 2000-3000 HDTV.

I meant with regards to proper management of ones finances.

[Bigfoot]

People who buy the PS3 for that price should have the money for an HDTV anyway.

Not necessarily true. I could have bought the PS3, but there's no way I can afford a 2000-3000 HDTV.

I meant with regards to proper management of ones finances.

Oh ok :P

[Evilhead]

Remember when 32k of RAM was more than enough for anybody? Probably not, but being shortsighted is a big blunder. Look at the N64. Sticking with the old media lost them a lot of their treasured third parties like Square. Games are getting more and more expansive, so extra space is a good thing.

And no, no one is forcing you to buy a blu-ray player. If you don't need one, get an Xbox 360 instead. I'm sure there will be plenty of good games for it.
Once again, taking what I said WAY out of context and missing the point by a longshot. Usually you do crap like this just to make people mad, then after they respond you do your little "LOLZ i got a reaction," but for some reason you're still pressing it. So once again: IF you want to buy a PS3, you will also have to buy a BluRay, as it is part of the PS3. You buy a PS3, and money was spent on BluRay. Nobody is forcing you buy the PS3 in the first place, but I did NOT say that. Stop trying to make me look like an idiot.

And yeah, it's always better to have more space. The question is how much that space is worth. After reading the responses to my last post, I'll agree that it was too early for me to assume that, because so far we have only seen launch PS3 games, as someone said. But you can't deny that someone without an HDTV who buys a PS3 is missing out on a huge advantage that people who have HDTVs would have.

I know that from my perspective, I'm thinking I might buy either a PS3 or 360 sometime and I don't have an HDTV, so right now the 360 seems to be a much better deal, because until PS3 games prove that they can actually become unique using that much space, it's a waste of $200. And even if the games do, then you still have to decide if bigger games are worth paying $200 extra.

If they PS3 only used the blu-ray player for watching movies, you'd have a point. But since it is integeral in playing games, you have NONE. It's like complaining that the PS1 had a CD drive. "Who needs 700 megs of space for a game? Any game I'd want to play could easily fit on this 32 meg cart. Those people without a fancy Hi-Fi Stereo Systems with $500 speakers are getting ripped off. My TV just has a crappy speaker, who needs CD sound?" Now it IS a little difference since blu-ray is not an established format yet, but no one is forcing you to buy the system. And just because you think games won't need more than 9 gigs of space (which is a joke because some games are already pushing the limits of DVDs), doesn't mean you know crap about making games. Are you a game developer? Programmer? Do you have any ideas for utilizing the blu-ray drives for games? No? Shut up?

When we got a 20 meg hard drive for our Mac Plus for $1,000, we never thought we could fill it up. Next, it was 120 megs. OMG, HUGE! Face it, technology is evolving. Just because you don't happen to own the next generation of display technology doesn't mean the rest of the world is going to wait for your ass. Sure, Sony could have cranked out a cheap non-HD, non-blu-ray PS3, but how would that fare in 4 or 5 years? When HD is standard? $600 is a pretty big chunk of money now, but I'd say it's a decent investment. The 360 sounds like it would be more suited for you at the moment though, so why not buy that instead of making the same point that has already been brought up 25 times in this thread alone?

[wormguy]

Remember when 32k of RAM was more than enough for anybody? Probably not, but being shortsighted is a big blunder. Look at the N64. Sticking with the old media lost them a lot of their treasured third parties like Square. Games are getting more and more expansive, so extra space is a good thing.

And no, no one is forcing you to buy a blu-ray player. If you don't need one, get an Xbox 360 instead. I'm sure there will be plenty of good games for it.
Once again, taking what I said WAY out of context and missing the point by a longshot. Usually you do crap like this just to make people mad, then after they respond you do your little "LOLZ i got a reaction," but for some reason you're still pressing it. So once again: IF you want to buy a PS3, you will also have to buy a BluRay, as it is part of the PS3. You buy a PS3, and money was spent on BluRay. Nobody is forcing you buy the PS3 in the first place, but I did NOT say that. Stop trying to make me look like an idiot.

And yeah, it's always better to have more space. The question is how much that space is worth. After reading the responses to my last post, I'll agree that it was too early for me to assume that, because so far we have only seen launch PS3 games, as someone said. But you can't deny that someone without an HDTV who buys a PS3 is missing out on a huge advantage that people who have HDTVs would have.

I know that from my perspective, I'm thinking I might buy either a PS3 or 360 sometime and I don't have an HDTV, so right now the 360 seems to be a much better deal, because until PS3 games prove that they can actually become unique using that much space, it's a waste of $200. And even if the games do, then you still have to decide if bigger games are worth paying $200 extra.

If they PS3 only used the blu-ray player for watching movies, you'd have a point. But since it is integeral in playing games, you have NONE. It's like complaining that the PS1 had a CD drive. "Who needs 700 megs of space for a game? Any game I'd want to play could easily fit on this 32 meg cart. Those people without a fancy Hi-Fi Stereo Systems with $500 speakers are getting ripped off. My TV just has a crappy speaker, who needs CD sound?" Now it IS a little difference since blu-ray is not an established format yet, but no one is forcing you to buy the system. And just because you think games won't need more than 9 gigs of space (which is a joke because some games are already pushing the limits of DVDs), doesn't mean you know crap about making games. Are you a game developer? Programmer? Do you have any ideas for utilizing the blu-ray drives for games? No? Shut up?

When we got a 20 meg hard drive for our Mac Plus for $1,000, we never thought we could fill it up. Next, it was 120 megs. OMG, HUGE! Face it, technology is evolving. Just because you don't happen to own the next generation of display technology doesn't mean the rest of the world is going to wait for your ass. Sure, Sony could have cranked out a cheap non-HD, non-blu-ray PS3, but how would that fare in 4 or 5 years? When HD is standard? $600 is a pretty big chunk of money now, but I'd say it's a decent investment. The 360 sounds like it would be more suited for you at the moment though, so why not buy that instead of making the same point that has already been brought up 25 times in this thread alone?

I agree. Look how fast hardware of the old generation of consoles were outdated by PCs. Even though we look at PS3 and gawk at its specs, even they won't look that good given a few years.
I think the point is that Sony doesn't want to restrict its possibilities in a world where technology advances so quickly - in a little while, there will be a use for all that storage space that Blu-ray provides.

[Psychonaut]

While I don't think Sony made a wise choice by using an untested format for a new console that will have enough challenges getting off the ground as is, there's really not any good way to get a new format established, and I think this is probably a better method than most.

Remember when DVD players were $1000? Bet you thought early-adopters were zany then, too ;).

[TheCatPhysician]

If they PS3 only used the blu-ray player for watching movies, you'd have a point. But since it is integeral in playing games, you have NONE. It's like complaining that the PS1 had a CD drive. "Who needs 700 megs of space for a game? Any game I'd want to play could easily fit on this 32 meg cart. Those people without a fancy Hi-Fi Stereo Systems with $500 speakers are getting ripped off. My TV just has a crappy speaker, who needs CD sound?" The thing is, it's not integral for playing games yet. Like I said, it is yet to be shown that the PS3 will have games unique from the Xbox 360 in that they will actually have to USE that extra space. Listen: I completely agree that more space is always better. It's just that right now, for people who don't own HDTVs, there's a question: Is that extra space worth $200 right now? Because buying a PS3 with a BluRay drive, not being able to take advantage of watching HD movies on it, the only way they can take advantage of using the BluRay drive they bought is by being able to buy games that put that disc space to use. The Playstation disc drive analogy is innacurate because for one, Playstation games DID use the space, and also it is irrelevant because the point I'm making is that you are paying extra money to have game discs that have more space. I never said having more space is bad.

Now it IS a little difference since blu-ray is not an established format yet, but no one is forcing you to buy the system. Why the heck do you keep bringing this up? It has nothing to do with anything. I NEVER said anyone was forcing anyone to buy a PS3. That is ridiculous.

And just because you think games won't need more than 9 gigs of space (which is a joke because some games are already pushing the limits of DVDs), doesn't mean you know crap about making games. No, but the people who made the Xbox 360 do. The 360 is right in the same league as the PS3 in terms of games, last I checked, and the 360 is having no problems without that extra disc space.

Just because you don't happen to own the next generation of display technology doesn't mean the rest of the world is going to wait for your ass. What does this have to do with anything? I'm only saying that for people who don't have HDTV, and there are still a lot, that the BluRay's value is questionable. When HDTV becomes more standard, this won't be much of a problem, but still; the 360 is a much better deal for anyone who doesn't have HDTV.


Sure, Sony could have cranked out a cheap non-HD, non-blu-ray PS3, but how would that fare in 4 or 5 years? When HD is standard? $600 is a pretty big chunk of money now, but I'd say it's a decent investment. The 360 sounds like it would be more suited for you at the moment though, so why not buy that instead of making the same point that has already been brought up 25 times in this thread alone?Someone asked what made the PS3 worth $600 (or something along those lines) and I told them that it is actually a really good deal if you have an HDTV and plan on being able to watch HD movies. I also said that if you don't have an HDTV, you're spending money on something you basically won't use, and now I have revised that to: The value of the BluRay for non-HD owners is questionable, because it is to be shown whether PS3 games will be in a whole different league than 360 games, actually using the extra space.

[mDuo13]

I think the extra disk space Blu-Ray provides could eventually be a necessity for some games. But not for a few years.

Basically, the PS3 is ahead of its time and too expensive as a result.

The real question is whether the PS3 will hold out long enough for its power to be needed - and if Nintendo and/or Microsoft will launch new consoles then.

[linkspast]

I think the extra disk space Blu-Ray provides could eventually be a necessity for some games. But not for a few years.

Basically, the PS3 is ahead of its time and too expensive as a result.

The real question is whether the PS3 will hold out long enough for its power to be needed - and if Nintendo and/or Microsoft will launch new consoles then.

Well If i remember the Ps1 competed with the snes for a bit then with the 64. then the ps2 came along and competed with 64s latter days as well...

Sony is really good at keeping a system last for a good ten years.

[Bahamut]

I can nab a Sony blu-ray player for $475 :o and one with a 40" LCD 1080p HDTV for $1500. :o

Ok now back to OCRers for bashing PS3 for little to no good reason.

[CIaude]

If they PS3 only used the blu-ray player for watching movies, you'd have a point. But since it is integeral in playing games, you have NONE. It's like complaining that the PS1 had a CD drive. "Who needs 700 megs of space for a game? Any game I'd want to play could easily fit on this 32 meg cart. Those people without a fancy Hi-Fi Stereo Systems with $500 speakers are getting ripped off. My TV just has a crappy speaker, who needs CD sound?" The thing is, it's not integral for playing games yet. Like I said, it is yet to be shown that the PS3 will have games unique from the Xbox 360 in that they will actually have to USE that extra space. Listen: I completely agree that more space is always better. It's just that right now, for people who don't own HDTVs, there's a question: Is that extra space worth $200 right now? Because buying a PS3 with a BluRay drive, not being able to take advantage of watching HD movies on it, the only way they can take advantage of using the BluRay drive they bought is by being able to buy games that put that disc space to use. The Playstation disc drive analogy is innacurate because for one, Playstation games DID use the space, and also it is irrelevant because the point I'm making is that you are paying extra money to have game discs that have more space. I never said having more space is bad.

Now it IS a little difference since blu-ray is not an established format yet, but no one is forcing you to buy the system. Why the heck do you keep bringing this up? It has nothing to do with anything. I NEVER said anyone was forcing anyone to buy a PS3. That is ridiculous.

And just because you think games won't need more than 9 gigs of space (which is a joke because some games are already pushing the limits of DVDs), doesn't mean you know crap about making games. No, but the people who made the Xbox 360 do. The 360 is right in the same league as the PS3 in terms of games, last I checked, and the 360 is having no problems without that extra disc space.

Just because you don't happen to own the next generation of display technology doesn't mean the rest of the world is going to wait for your ass. What does this have to do with anything? I'm only saying that for people who don't have HDTV, and there are still a lot, that the BluRay's value is questionable. When HDTV becomes more standard, this won't be much of a problem, but still; the 360 is a much better deal for anyone who doesn't have HDTV.


Sure, Sony could have cranked out a cheap non-HD, non-blu-ray PS3, but how would that fare in 4 or 5 years? When HD is standard? $600 is a pretty big chunk of money now, but I'd say it's a decent investment. The 360 sounds like it would be more suited for you at the moment though, so why not buy that instead of making the same point that has already been brought up 25 times in this thread alone?Someone asked what made the PS3 worth $600 (or something along those lines) and I told them that it is actually a really good deal if you have an HDTV and plan on being able to watch HD movies. I also said that if you don't have an HDTV, you're spending money on something you basically won't use, and now I have revised that to: The value of the BluRay for non-HD owners is questionable, because it is to be shown whether PS3 games will be in a whole different league than 360 games, actually using the extra space.

Dude, that was your 666th post... RAWK! :twisted:

[Bigfoot]

I can nab a Sony blu-ray player for $475 :o and one with a 40" LCD 1080p HDTV for $1500. :o

Ok now back to OCRers for bashing PS3 for little to no good reason.

Talk is cheap :P

links?

[Bahamut]

I can nab a Sony blu-ray player for $475 :o and one with a 40" LCD 1080p HDTV for $1500. :o

Ok now back to OCRers for bashing PS3 for little to no good reason.

Talk is cheap :P

links?

American Express members only (http://mywishlist.mylifemycard.com/index.html?src=mwl_em_prod1)

It's the Tuesday offer.

[Bigfoot]

I can nab a Sony blu-ray player for $475 :o and one with a 40" LCD 1080p HDTV for $1500. :o

Ok now back to OCRers for bashing PS3 for little to no good reason.

Talk is cheap :P

links?

American Express members only (http://mywishlist.mylifemycard.com/index.html?src=mwl_em_prod1)

It's the Tuesday offer.

Fuck that. How about the $49,000 Porsche for $5,000? lol

[Bahamut]

I can nab a Sony blu-ray player for $475 :o and one with a 40" LCD 1080p HDTV for $1500. :o

Ok now back to OCRers for bashing PS3 for little to no good reason.

Talk is cheap :P

links?

American Express members only (http://mywishlist.mylifemycard.com/index.html?src=mwl_em_prod1)

It's the Tuesday offer.

Fuck that. How about the $49,000 Porsche for $5,000? lol

My brother and I are trying for that one, but it's going to be insanely hard to get. :(

[Bigfoot]

I can nab a Sony blu-ray player for $475 :o and one with a 40" LCD 1080p HDTV for $1500. :o

Ok now back to OCRers for bashing PS3 for little to no good reason.

Talk is cheap :P

links?

American Express members only (http://mywishlist.mylifemycard.com/index.html?src=mwl_em_prod1)

It's the Tuesday offer.

Fuck that. How about the $49,000 Porsche for $5,000? lol

My brother and I are trying for that one, but it's going to be insanely hard to get. :(

But yeah, that's insanely insane at how much that TV and and Blu-Ray player is, let alone just the TV.

When you say you CAN get this deal, what you really mean is "I can TRY to get this deal". :P

[Bahamut]

I can nab a Sony blu-ray player for $475 :o and one with a 40" LCD 1080p HDTV for $1500. :o

Ok now back to OCRers for bashing PS3 for little to no good reason.

Talk is cheap :P

links?

American Express members only (http://mywishlist.mylifemycard.com/index.html?src=mwl_em_prod1)

It's the Tuesday offer.

Fuck that. How about the $49,000 Porsche for $5,000? lol

My brother and I are trying for that one, but it's going to be insanely hard to get. :(

But yeah, that's insanely insane at how much that TV and and Blu-Ray player is, let alone just the TV.

When you say you CAN get this deal, what you really mean is "I can TRY to get this deal". :P

Well, there are 20 of them available or so, and my internet connection has a low ping, so I'm pretty sure I can get it if I want.

Edit: Wow, it was insanely hard to even get a $50 free gift card for the UPS store which was poorly advertised.

[Bigfoot]

Trust me, 20 will not be a lot when it comes down to the internet :P

[Bigfoot]

Namco Bandai's Takasu Says PS3 Game Titles Must Sell 500,000 to make profit. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=az3neI1eJui8&refer=japan)


With the low shipment of consoles, and this requirement to actually turn a profit, this will probably chase away game makers or maybe it won't. They may just wait longer until there are more people to own a PS3 that can actually buy these games.

[SilverStar]

So, guys. Have you heard?

http://www.blasteroids.com/news/news_item.cfm/8182/kutaragifired

Kutaragi, the "father of playstation" is no longer involved in the playstation at all. He's OUTTA THERE! :D

[Bigfoot]

So, guys. Have you heard?

http://www.blasteroids.com/news/news_item.cfm/8182/kutaragifired

Kutaragi, the "father of playstation" is no longer involved in the playstation at all. He's OUTTA THERE! :D

Yeah, I saw that too. Kinda sounds like what Nintendo did with Gunpei Yokoi after the Virtual Boy. Sending him off to work with something else.

[The Damned]

Yeah, but will Kutaragi end up in an unexpected car accident in a few years?

[Drack]

Namco Bandai's Takasu Says PS3 Game Titles Must Sell 500,000 to make profit. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=az3neI1eJui8&refer=japan)


With the low shipment of consoles, and this requirement to actually turn a profit, this will probably chase away game makers or maybe it won't. They may just wait longer until there are more people to own a PS3 that can actually buy these games.PS3 has sold about 300,000 units so far, by the way.

[Sir_NutS]

And I still laugh at the laughably long loading times the PS3 will have. Trying to pump 4+ times the data, through something running as fast as a 4x DVD drive(2x BD-ROM=4x DVD-ROM stream speeds), when the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive in it. That means you'll be looking at no less than double the loading times.

I do too. I mean, when are we going to get rid of the fucking annoying load times if shitheads like this guys never do something about it? I've read of X360 games actually loading faster and working smoother than the ps3 counterpart, what the hell? I thought this generation load times could get lessened because the companies would include faster and more efficient reading devices. Alas, we are getting worse loads than in our old ps2's. This makes me sad.

[The Damned]

Namco Bandai's Takasu Says PS3 Game Titles Must Sell 500,000 to make profit. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=az3neI1eJui8&refer=japan)

With the low shipment of consoles, and this requirement to actually turn a profit, this will probably chase away game makers or maybe it won't. They may just wait longer until there are more people to own a PS3 that can actually buy these games.PS3 has sold about 300,000 units so far, by the way.
No... PS3 has shipped 300 000 units. Slight difference.

[megadave]

Namco Bandai's Takasu Says PS3 Game Titles Must Sell 500,000 to make profit. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=az3neI1eJui8&refer=japan)

With the low shipment of consoles, and this requirement to actually turn a profit, this will probably chase away game makers or maybe it won't. They may just wait longer until there are more people to own a PS3 that can actually buy these games.PS3 has sold about 300,000 units so far, by the way.
No... PS3 has shipped 300 000 units. Slight difference.

I think they were talking about gametitles, not the console itself. uhh... I don't know.

[Bigfoot]

Namco Bandai's Takasu Says PS3 Game Titles Must Sell 500,000 to make profit. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=az3neI1eJui8&refer=japan)

With the low shipment of consoles, and this requirement to actually turn a profit, this will probably chase away game makers or maybe it won't. They may just wait longer until there are more people to own a PS3 that can actually buy these games.PS3 has sold about 300,000 units so far, by the way.
No... PS3 has shipped 300 000 units. Slight difference.

I think they were talking about gametitles, not the console itself. uhh... I don't know.

Correct

[SilverStar]

Namco Bandai's Takasu Says PS3 Game Titles Must Sell 500,000 to make profit. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=az3neI1eJui8&refer=japan)

With the low shipment of consoles, and this requirement to actually turn a profit, this will probably chase away game makers or maybe it won't. They may just wait longer until there are more people to own a PS3 that can actually buy these games.PS3 has sold about 300,000 units so far, by the way.
No... PS3 has shipped 300 000 units. Slight difference.

I think they were talking about gametitles, not the console itself. uhh... I don't know.

Correct

I think everyone is slightly confused, so let me clarify.

A publisher has to sell 500K units of a title to make a profit.

There are only about 330K PS3 hardware units on the market.

No publisher can even hope to turn a profit on the PS3 until sometime next year, when there will be over 500K PS3 hardware units available.

[G_D]

And I still laugh at the laughably long loading times the PS3 will have. Trying to pump 4+ times the data, through something running as fast as a 4x DVD drive(2x BD-ROM=4x DVD-ROM stream speeds), when the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive in it. That means you'll be looking at no less than double the loading times.

I do too. I mean, when are we going to get rid of the fucking annoying load times if shitheads like this guys never do something about it? I've read of X360 games actually loading faster and working smoother than the ps3 counterpart, what the hell? I thought this generation load times could get lessened because the companies would include faster and more efficient reading devices. Alas, we are getting worse loads than in our old ps2's. This makes me sad.

Unfortunately for your argument, Blu-ray actually has a much higher read speed than DVD, so a 4x BD drive is far greater than a 2x DVD player. Look it up on Wikipedia if you want (I'm too lazy), or just trust me. Still, even if it is faster the load times are going to be pretty high.




Namco Bandai's Takasu Says PS3 Game Titles Must Sell 500,000 to make profit.

With the low shipment of consoles, and this requirement to actually turn a profit, this will probably chase away game makers or maybe it won't. They may just wait longer until there are more people to own a PS3 that can actually buy these games.
PS3 has sold about 300,000 units so far, by the way.

No... PS3 has shipped 300 000 units. Slight difference.

I think they were talking about gametitles, not the console itself. uhh... I don't know.

I think the point was that Sony couldn't possibly sell 500,000 copies of a game right now. There would have to be an attach rate of nearly 1.4.

Edit: Jacked!

[Sir_NutS]

And I still laugh at the laughably long loading times the PS3 will have. Trying to pump 4+ times the data, through something running as fast as a 4x DVD drive(2x BD-ROM=4x DVD-ROM stream speeds), when the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive in it. That means you'll be looking at no less than double the loading times.

I do too. I mean, when are we going to get rid of the fucking annoying load times if shitheads like this guys never do something about it? I've read of X360 games actually loading faster and working smoother than the ps3 counterpart, what the hell? I thought this generation load times could get lessened because the companies would include faster and more efficient reading devices. Alas, we are getting worse loads than in our old ps2's. This makes me sad.

Unfortunately for your argument, Blu-ray actually has a much higher read speed than DVD, so a 4x BD drive is far greater than a 2x DVD player. Look it up on Wikipedia if you want (I'm too lazy), or just trust me. Still, even if it is faster the load times are going to be pretty high.


Ps3 = Blu-Ray Drive 2x
xbox360 = 12x dvd drive

Blu-Ray Transfer speed = 36 Mbps
DVD Transfer speed = 10 Mps

Total:
ps3's BR = 72 Mbps
xbox 360 DVD = 120 Mbps

[Arek the Absolute]

thats what we call a BURN

[Atomicfog]

And I still laugh at the laughably long loading times the PS3 will have. Trying to pump 4+ times the data, through something running as fast as a 4x DVD drive(2x BD-ROM=4x DVD-ROM stream speeds), when the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive in it. That means you'll be looking at no less than double the loading times.

I do too. I mean, when are we going to get rid of the fucking annoying load times if shitheads like this guys never do something about it? I've read of X360 games actually loading faster and working smoother than the ps3 counterpart, what the hell? I thought this generation load times could get lessened because the companies would include faster and more efficient reading devices. Alas, we are getting worse loads than in our old ps2's. This makes me sad.

Unfortunately for your argument, Blu-ray actually has a much higher read speed than DVD, so a 4x BD drive is far greater than a 2x DVD player. Look it up on Wikipedia if you want (I'm too lazy), or just trust me. Still, even if it is faster the load times are going to be pretty high.


Ps3 = Blu-Ray Drive 2x
xbox360 = 12x dvd drive

Blu-Ray Transfer speed = 36 Mbps
DVD Transfer speed = 10 Mps

Total:
ps3's BR = 72 Mbps
xbox 360 DVD = 120 Mbps

Yeah, I am still curious why they couldn't bring the read speeds up; I remember back at CES 2002 they were showing off Blu-Ray, but I guess most if not all new media formats seem to have slower read speeds.

I don't think it will matter too much though, since PS3 can cache and store things on it's built-in hard drive that comes with every console, so it is just up to the game developers to implement this usage.

[G_D]

And I still laugh at the laughably long loading times the PS3 will have. Trying to pump 4+ times the data, through something running as fast as a 4x DVD drive(2x BD-ROM=4x DVD-ROM stream speeds), when the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive in it. That means you'll be looking at no less than double the loading times.

I do too. I mean, when are we going to get rid of the fucking annoying load times if shitheads like this guys never do something about it? I've read of X360 games actually loading faster and working smoother than the ps3 counterpart, what the hell? I thought this generation load times could get lessened because the companies would include faster and more efficient reading devices. Alas, we are getting worse loads than in our old ps2's. This makes me sad.

Unfortunately for your argument, Blu-ray actually has a much higher read speed than DVD, so a 4x BD drive is far greater than a 2x DVD player. Look it up on Wikipedia if you want (I'm too lazy), or just trust me. Still, even if it is faster the load times are going to be pretty high.


Ps3 = Blu-Ray Drive 2x
xbox360 = 12x dvd drive

Blu-Ray Transfer speed = 36 Mbps
DVD Transfer speed = 10 Mps

Total:
ps3's BR = 72 Mbps
xbox 360 DVD = 120 Mbps

Sorry, I was focused on the lines in bold, which should only be true if developers are lazy with their coding. If the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive, then it would have a transfer speed of 20Mbps, which is less than 1/3 that of the PS3: 2x BD = 7x DVD.

It is a disappointingly slow media, however, especially for someone who gets annoyed at the DS's long startup screen. Trust me, I dislike the PS3 as much as the next guy, but even so I can't stand misinformation.

[Evilhead]

Well the issue is moot because most of the time you are going to be loading that game onto your HD for fast loading times. And if you are the type who buys a ton of games, you probably have enough cash to buy a 120 gig HD for your PS3 for a $100 or so.

[SilverStar]

Alright then. My information was wrong in a lot of places there. But, it's still slower overall.

2x BluRay(PS3)=9MB/sec(72mbit)
4x DVD(PS2)=5.28MB/sec(~44.3mbit)

Sure, it looks faster. But then you have anywhere from 2x to 8x the data in texture sizes, unless you're happy with SD textures expanded or tiled to be artificial HD textures, along with all the audio and everything else that have to be loaded into a scene, including additional textures to prevent too much cloning within a given scene.

It's about 2/3 faster than the PS2 drive, but has to load more than double the data. It WILL mean higher loading times.

[Evilhead]

...except when you load from the HD. I know I jacked you, but I'm wondering what people think the HD will be used for? I mean, even with a virtual arcade and a few PS1 games that won't mean more than a gig or two of space. That leaves many gigs just sitting there. The whole point of the HD is that you can load whole games onto it for zippy loading times.

[SilverStar]

...except when you load from the HD. I know I jacked you, but I'm wondering what people think the HD will be used for? I mean, even with a virtual arcade and a few PS1 games that won't mean more than a gig or two of space. That leaves many gigs just sitting there. The whole point of the HD is that you can load whole games onto it for zippy loading times.

Personally, I'd use the HDD to run a properly functional and enhanced PS2 emulator, through Linux, with the images stored on the drive. That's about the only thing it'd be really handy for. :P

[Bigfoot]

...except when you load from the HD. I know I jacked you, but I'm wondering what people think the HD will be used for? I mean, even with a virtual arcade and a few PS1 games that won't mean more than a gig or two of space. That leaves many gigs just sitting there. The whole point of the HD is that you can load whole games onto it for zippy loading times.

You say "zippy", but I think it's more along the lines of "normal".

[Evilhead]

...except when you load from the HD. I know I jacked you, but I'm wondering what people think the HD will be used for? I mean, even with a virtual arcade and a few PS1 games that won't mean more than a gig or two of space. That leaves many gigs just sitting there. The whole point of the HD is that you can load whole games onto it for zippy loading times.

You say "zippy", but I think it's more along the lines of "normal".

I think it was something like 2-4 second loading times for Genji. If that's not zippy I don't know what is. Putting a 7400 rpm drive in there should also decrease loading times.


edit: whoops, decrease, not increase. Thx Bahamut.

[Bahamut]

You mean decrease :P .

[The Damned]

I think it was something like 2-4 second loading times for Genji. If that's not zippy I don't know what is.
Well, you need that speed, considering the incredibly complex programming that is required to flip the giant crab over and attack its weak spot for massive damage.

I'm sorry. I had to. It's almost done being funny. Only a few more weeks and absolutely nobody will even remember it. Then it's done, I swear.

[JoeFu]

I think it was something like 2-4 second loading times for Genji. If that's not zippy I don't know what is.
Well, you need that speed, considering the incredibly complex programming that is required to flip the giant crab over and attack its weak spot for massive damage.

I'm sorry. I had to. It's almost done being funny. Only a few more weeks and absolutely nobody will even remember it. Then it's done, I swear.

Can't go wrong with the classic


RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAACER!

Anyways, I'd would like to see more games that loaded like the Nintendo made Gamecube games, as in no load at all, or cleverly hidden with the doors and such in Metroid Prime.

[Bigfoot]

I think it was something like 2-4 second loading times for Genji. If that's not zippy I don't know what is.
Well, you need that speed, considering the incredibly complex programming that is required to flip the giant crab over and attack its weak spot for massive damage.

I'm sorry. I had to. It's almost done being funny. Only a few more weeks and absolutely nobody will even remember it. Then it's done, I swear.

I doubt it, I mean even Viva Pinata took a crack at it. First Contact for the DS, now this.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7229/vivamassivedamagezu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Petara]

did someone say zippy?

[Sir_NutS]

And I still laugh at the laughably long loading times the PS3 will have. Trying to pump 4+ times the data, through something running as fast as a 4x DVD drive(2x BD-ROM=4x DVD-ROM stream speeds), when the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive in it. That means you'll be looking at no less than double the loading times.

I do too. I mean, when are we going to get rid of the fucking annoying load times if shitheads like this guys never do something about it? I've read of X360 games actually loading faster and working smoother than the ps3 counterpart, what the hell? I thought this generation load times could get lessened because the companies would include faster and more efficient reading devices. Alas, we are getting worse loads than in our old ps2's. This makes me sad.

Unfortunately for your argument, Blu-ray actually has a much higher read speed than DVD, so a 4x BD drive is far greater than a 2x DVD player. Look it up on Wikipedia if you want (I'm too lazy), or just trust me. Still, even if it is faster the load times are going to be pretty high.


Ps3 = Blu-Ray Drive 2x
xbox360 = 12x dvd drive

Blu-Ray Transfer speed = 36 Mbps
DVD Transfer speed = 10 Mps

Total:
ps3's BR = 72 Mbps
xbox 360 DVD = 120 Mbps

Sorry, I was focused on the lines in bold, which should only be true if developers are lazy with their coding. If the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive, then it would have a transfer speed of 20Mbps, which is less than 1/3 that of the PS3: 2x BD = 7x DVD.

Yes, but you have to take in consideration that now they have to load graphics, textures and information 3 and 4 times the size the resolution of ps2 graphics. So what you have there is a bottleneck, and no advance in speed whatsoever. Just check the load times in say, call of duty 3. About the same as in CoD3 for Ps2.

[Evilhead]

And I still laugh at the laughably long loading times the PS3 will have. Trying to pump 4+ times the data, through something running as fast as a 4x DVD drive(2x BD-ROM=4x DVD-ROM stream speeds), when the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive in it. That means you'll be looking at no less than double the loading times.

I do too. I mean, when are we going to get rid of the fucking annoying load times if shitheads like this guys never do something about it? I've read of X360 games actually loading faster and working smoother than the ps3 counterpart, what the hell? I thought this generation load times could get lessened because the companies would include faster and more efficient reading devices. Alas, we are getting worse loads than in our old ps2's. This makes me sad.

Unfortunately for your argument, Blu-ray actually has a much higher read speed than DVD, so a 4x BD drive is far greater than a 2x DVD player. Look it up on Wikipedia if you want (I'm too lazy), or just trust me. Still, even if it is faster the load times are going to be pretty high.


Ps3 = Blu-Ray Drive 2x
xbox360 = 12x dvd drive

Blu-Ray Transfer speed = 36 Mbps
DVD Transfer speed = 10 Mps

Total:
ps3's BR = 72 Mbps
xbox 360 DVD = 120 Mbps

Sorry, I was focused on the lines in bold, which should only be true if developers are lazy with their coding. If the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive, then it would have a transfer speed of 20Mbps, which is less than 1/3 that of the PS3: 2x BD = 7x DVD.

Yes, but you have to take in consideration that now they have to load graphics, textures and information 3 and 4 times the size the resolution of ps2 graphics. So what you have there is a bottleneck, and no advance in speed whatsoever. Just check the load times in say, call of duty 3. About the same as in CoD3 for Ps2.

Even when loaded on the HD?

[Bigfoot]

So Gran Turismo HD has been cancelled. They're going to focus on Gran Turismo 5 instead; although, they will release a "tech demo" of GTHD on Dec 24th in Japan that will be free to download. No worldwide release is known yet. I'd post the link, but it's all in Japanese.

Well, some of you may be able to read it anyway(like Evilhead).

http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20061201_gt5_hd.html

[Sir_NutS]

And I still laugh at the laughably long loading times the PS3 will have. Trying to pump 4+ times the data, through something running as fast as a 4x DVD drive(2x BD-ROM=4x DVD-ROM stream speeds), when the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive in it. That means you'll be looking at no less than double the loading times.

I do too. I mean, when are we going to get rid of the fucking annoying load times if shitheads like this guys never do something about it? I've read of X360 games actually loading faster and working smoother than the ps3 counterpart, what the hell? I thought this generation load times could get lessened because the companies would include faster and more efficient reading devices. Alas, we are getting worse loads than in our old ps2's. This makes me sad.

Unfortunately for your argument, Blu-ray actually has a much higher read speed than DVD, so a 4x BD drive is far greater than a 2x DVD player. Look it up on Wikipedia if you want (I'm too lazy), or just trust me. Still, even if it is faster the load times are going to be pretty high.


Ps3 = Blu-Ray Drive 2x
xbox360 = 12x dvd drive

Blu-Ray Transfer speed = 36 Mbps
DVD Transfer speed = 10 Mps

Total:
ps3's BR = 72 Mbps
xbox 360 DVD = 120 Mbps

Sorry, I was focused on the lines in bold, which should only be true if developers are lazy with their coding. If the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive, then it would have a transfer speed of 20Mbps, which is less than 1/3 that of the PS3: 2x BD = 7x DVD.

Yes, but you have to take in consideration that now they have to load graphics, textures and information 3 and 4 times the size the resolution of ps2 graphics. So what you have there is a bottleneck, and no advance in speed whatsoever. Just check the load times in say, call of duty 3. About the same as in CoD3 for Ps2.

Even when loaded on the HD?

Lol I've read your point about the HD. However, do all the ps3 games load to the HD? the COD3 i saw I couldn't tell if it was loaded in the HD, but the load times were like current ps2 games. Is this something Owners activate or is it up to the programmers?

Anyways, I haven't seen yet a game making use of it, as far as I can tell.

[Bigfoot]

I think if it's the first time playing the game, it'll try and install it on the HD unless there's a setting you can change.

[Hector]

Load times are vital for gamer survival. Gamers would starve to death playing videogames continueously if Sony were not wise enough to introduce load-times long enough to butter toast. Sony could certainly go the extra mile and reduce load-times on their systems, but Sony actualy care's about their gamers so they do not.

But seriously, a little load time isn't all that bad.

[Penfold]

Load times are vital for gamer survival. Gamers would starve to death playing videogames continueously if Sony were not wise enough to introduce load-times long enough to butter toast. Sony could certainly go the extra mile and reduce load-times on their systems, but Sony actualy care's about their gamers so they do not.

But seriously, a little load time isn't all that bad.

lol, that's pretty good.

I think for certain games, a little load time is fine. For example, between races in a racing game is totally fine. Having a load time after loading a file on a game or when you're starting a match is pretty much assumed. However, for a more adventure-oriented game, it can be bad in-game because it takes you out of the action that much more. For example, one of the many things that made games like Metroid Prime and Zelda: Twilight Princess so great are (as mentioned before) the hidden load times. For Zelda, you go into a door, the screen quickly fades to black for a second or two, and the action continues. If during the black screen, "Now Loading" pops up it'd kinda take away from the experience (especially if the load takes much more than a few seconds). With Red Steel, one of my biggest gripes with presentation was the longer load times and how it created checkpoints automatically that froze the action (adding "checkpoint..." to the top of the screen) for 5+ seconds at a time. It made it significantly tougher to get into. If they had, in this instance, thought more of presentation and streamlining it, it might have been much better/felt more immersive. (sorry, all my examples here are Nintendo-centric since that's what I've been playing as of late)

No one wants load times, but it is something that we, as gamers, have to deal with. Long load times are a major lowpoint for me, so if a designer can help minimize that (or utilize the hardware in a way that accomplishes this) then it's all the better IMO.

[Bahamut]

Uh no, long load times just suck and piss me off at poor quality.

[Penfold]

Uh no, long load times just suck and piss me off at poor quality.

lol, that works too.

[Petara]

The load times in Silent HIll usually gave me time to think about whether i should stop playing and turn all the lights in the house on or not. it got to the point where i did sometimes, but that was back in the day. i swear i'm over that kind of stuff now :lol: . seriously

[SilverStar]

So Gran Turismo HD has been cancelled. They're going to focus on Gran Turismo 5 instead; although, they will release a "tech demo" of GTHD on Dec 24th in Japan that will be free to download. No worldwide release is known yet. I'd post the link, but it's all in Japanese.

Well, some of you may be able to read it anyway(like Evilhead).

http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20061201_gt5_hd.html
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162566.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

A game that was said to be close to 80% complete during E3 and was supposed to hit the launch window, then pushed back to december of next year, being reduced to just a demo with 1 track and 10 cars.

I almost feel sorry for Sony. GT HD was going to be the game that sold a PS3 to a friend of mine who isn't interested at all in the FF or MGS series.

[Bahamut]

http://www.gametab.com/news/755034/


According to figures from Terapeak Marketplace Research, on November 18th, PS3s were selling on eBay at a rate of one every six seconds. More than 2200 PS3s were sold between 8 am and 10 am PST on November 18th, with more than 35,000 units listed on the online auction site between November 16th and the 22nd.

If you weren't an auction winner, don't feel too bad; you would've paid more than double the list price for your shiny new console. The average sold price of a PS3 on November 18th was $1,243, with the average price for the time period between the 16th and the 22nd ranging just a bit higher at $1,276.

Kicking yourself for waiting in line overnight but not putting your PS3 on the auction block? According to Terapeak's numbers, not every seller walked away happy. Of the 35,521 PS3's listed between the 16th and the 22nd, only 28,546 auctions were "successful," which means a whole lot of auctioneers were left holding a very expensive bag.

This is a bit ridiculous.

[Evilhead]

So Gran Turismo HD has been cancelled. They're going to focus on Gran Turismo 5 instead; although, they will release a "tech demo" of GTHD on Dec 24th in Japan that will be free to download. No worldwide release is known yet. I'd post the link, but it's all in Japanese.

Well, some of you may be able to read it anyway(like Evilhead).

http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20061201_gt5_hd.html
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162566.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

A game that was said to be close to 80% complete during E3 and was supposed to hit the launch window, then pushed back to december of next year, being reduced to just a demo with 1 track and 10 cars.

I almost feel sorry for Sony. GT HD was going to be the game that sold a PS3 to a friend of mine who isn't interested at all in the FF or MGS series.

So he's not interested in GT5? How does this even make sense? Maybe Sony listened to all the people bitching about GT HD.

[SilverStar]

So Gran Turismo HD has been cancelled. They're going to focus on Gran Turismo 5 instead; although, they will release a "tech demo" of GTHD on Dec 24th in Japan that will be free to download. No worldwide release is known yet. I'd post the link, but it's all in Japanese.

Well, some of you may be able to read it anyway(like Evilhead).

http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20061201_gt5_hd.html
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162566.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

A game that was said to be close to 80% complete during E3 and was supposed to hit the launch window, then pushed back to december of next year, being reduced to just a demo with 1 track and 10 cars.

I almost feel sorry for Sony. GT HD was going to be the game that sold a PS3 to a friend of mine who isn't interested at all in the FF or MGS series.

So he's not interested in GT5? How does this even make sense? Maybe Sony listened to all the people bitching about GT HD.
Let me rephrase.. it would have sold a PS3 to him before 2008/2009, when GT5 might be ready. If lucky. If they haven't decided to move it to the 360 by then.

[atmuh]

So Gran Turismo HD has been cancelled. They're going to focus on Gran Turismo 5 instead; although, they will release a "tech demo" of GTHD on Dec 24th in Japan that will be free to download. No worldwide release is known yet. I'd post the link, but it's all in Japanese.

Well, some of you may be able to read it anyway(like Evilhead).

http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20061201_gt5_hd.html
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162566.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

A game that was said to be close to 80% complete during E3 and was supposed to hit the launch window, then pushed back to december of next year, being reduced to just a demo with 1 track and 10 cars.

I almost feel sorry for Sony. GT HD was going to be the game that sold a PS3 to a friend of mine who isn't interested at all in the FF or MGS series.

So he's not interested in GT5? How does this even make sense? Maybe Sony listened to all the people bitching about GT HD.
Let me rephrase.. it would have sold a PS3 to him before 2008/2009, when GT5 might be ready. If lucky. If they haven't decided to move it to the 360 by then.

OK you really have no clue what you're talking about there. There is NO WAY that would EVER be on 360. Admit you were wrong and that your friend just wants to wait until that specific game comes out, but is still interested in the console.

[SilverStar]

So Gran Turismo HD has been cancelled. They're going to focus on Gran Turismo 5 instead; although, they will release a "tech demo" of GTHD on Dec 24th in Japan that will be free to download. No worldwide release is known yet. I'd post the link, but it's all in Japanese.

Well, some of you may be able to read it anyway(like Evilhead).

http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20061201_gt5_hd.html
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162566.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

A game that was said to be close to 80% complete during E3 and was supposed to hit the launch window, then pushed back to december of next year, being reduced to just a demo with 1 track and 10 cars.

I almost feel sorry for Sony. GT HD was going to be the game that sold a PS3 to a friend of mine who isn't interested at all in the FF or MGS series.

So he's not interested in GT5? How does this even make sense? Maybe Sony listened to all the people bitching about GT HD.
Let me rephrase.. it would have sold a PS3 to him before 2008/2009, when GT5 might be ready. If lucky. If they haven't decided to move it to the 360 by then.

OK you really have no clue what you're talking about there. There is NO WAY that would EVER be on 360. Admit you were wrong and that your friend just wants to wait until that specific game comes out, but is still interested in the console.

No, if the PS3 doesn't have a suitable userbase, or if the PS3 is no longer financially viable, GT5 may either be scrapped, or the contract moved. It isn't the first time a game has been scrapped.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I don't think it can happen yet with Polyphony since they're an internal development team of Sony. So unless they pull a Rareware, they are not going anywhere.

I wonder if that even matters now that Microsoft has Project Gotham Racing and Forza Motorsport.

[Poiso]

I don't think it can happen yet with Polyphony since they're an internal development team of Sony. So unless they pull a Rareware, they are not going anywhere.

I wonder if that even matters now that Microsoft has Project Gotham Racing and Forza Motorsport.
It does because Gotham is a very different game and Forza is a new/less widely known take on the same idea!

[SilverStar]

I don't think it can happen yet with Polyphony since they're an internal development team of Sony. So unless they pull a Rareware, they are not going anywhere.

I wonder if that even matters now that Microsoft has Project Gotham Racing and Forza Motorsport.

Considering a launch-window game that was shown off at E3 and was "80% complete" at the time, ended up being scrapped, from an internal development team, it could be that things are going bad at Sony.

Then again, now that someone with a focus on software is in charge, there could be a few more of these kind of cuts coming in, in the near future. Kaz might be the best thing to happen to the PS3, period. Let's hope he doesn't turn out to degrade into the PR puppet of Kutaragi.

With Ken no longer having his hands in the cookie jar, Sony may pull through after all. But is it too little, too late? Maybe if Kaz had been in charge of development of the PS3, it would have turned out more like the Wii, instead of a system that tries too much and does too little.

[atmuh]

Apparently on Monday the store I work at got a PS3 in. No one called about PS3s or even asked in the store about them. It wasn't until Thursday until someone asked and we said "FINALLY." I think it's rather comical.

[SilverStar]

Apparently on Monday the store I work at got a PS3 in. No one called about PS3s or even asked in the store about them. It wasn't until Thursday until someone asked and we said "FINALLY." I think it's rather comical.
Damn. That sounds like a total backfire of everything Sony was trying to do by overhyping and under supplying the system. It got so bad that people who want one don't even try to ask for them, because they automatically assume if any have come in, they've sold out already.

[TheCatPhysician]

Apparently on Monday the store I work at got a PS3 in. No one called about PS3s or even asked in the store about them. It wasn't until Thursday until someone asked and we said "FINALLY." I think it's rather comical.
Damn. That sounds like a total backfire of everything Sony was trying to do by overhyping and under supplying the system. It got so bad that people who want one don't even try to ask for them, because they automatically assume if any have come in, they've sold out already.Heh, well I don't think it's that bad. Aside from just a few systems that get overlooked that way, Sony shouldn't be having a problem selling whatever small amount of consoles they can make. And even for the ones that get overlooked that way, they usually wouldn't go more than a few days without being noticed and bought, I'd imagine.

[KyleJCrb]

So Gran Turismo HD has been cancelled. They're going to focus on Gran Turismo 5 instead; although, they will release a "tech demo" of GTHD on Dec 24th in Japan that will be free to download. No worldwide release is known yet. I'd post the link, but it's all in Japanese.

Well, some of you may be able to read it anyway(like Evilhead).

http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20061201_gt5_hd.html

Honestly, I'm glad to hear it. I mean, why bother? We really don't need these interim games (remember the canceled GT2000?), which Polyphony seems to enjoy wasting time on, instead of developing its main games.

[mDuo13]

I have higher hopes for PS3 now that Kaz is in charge.

Actually, now I wonder if maybe the cancellation of GTHD had anything to do with his influence?

[Bahamut]

Distantly related to the PS3, anyone who wants a PSP might like this: http://mywishlist.mylifemycard.com/featuredproducts.html

PSP Entertainment Pack for $185. Today only, and you need to be an American Express member.

[Gollgagh]

Distantly related to the PS3, anyone who wants a PSP might like this: http://mywishlist.mylifemycard.com/featuredproducts.html

PSP Entertainment Pack for $185. Today only, and you need to be an American Express member.

Dude. ):

I don't have american ex.

[souldragon777]

Apparently on Monday the store I work at got a PS3 in. No one called about PS3s or even asked in the store about them. It wasn't until Thursday until someone asked and we said "FINALLY." I think it's rather comical.
Damn. That sounds like a total backfire of everything Sony was trying to do by overhyping and under supplying the system. It got so bad that people who want one don't even try to ask for them, because they automatically assume if any have come in, they've sold out already.Heh, well I don't think it's that bad. Aside from just a few systems that get overlooked that way, Sony shouldn't be having a problem selling whatever small amount of consoles they can make. And even for the ones that get overlooked that way, they usually wouldn't go more than a few days without being noticed and bought, I'd imagine.

Funny you say that becasue it could be true haha. My coousin works at Best Buy and he told me that some random shipment of 13 60GB PS3s came into the store and he had to take care of putting them on the floor since he works in Media and as soon as he came out of the backroom people saw what he was carrying and they sold out before he even got to place them. Haha its crazy.

Personally I can wait untill a price drop since there is a bunch of ps2 games I want to play (if I can ever find the time). My roomate haas a Wii actually he has 3, since the first one he bought broke within a few days, and then Nintendo sent a replacement that was broken as well, and today he finally recieved a working Wii. The only game right now for the Wii is Zelda and PS3 had Resistance. 360 will be coming out with Halo 3 soon so that will factor into the mix. I'm just gonna sit back with some old school and like Prez Bush stay away and see how the war plays out.

[Petara]

Apparently on Monday the store I work at got a PS3 in. No one called about PS3s or even asked in the store about them. It wasn't until Thursday until someone asked and we said "FINALLY." I think it's rather comical.

I've assumed that's how it's been. Employees never tell you when they're gonna get any in even if they do know when they are. For the most part, if I'm at a store I just look where they would be and don't even bother asking or calling ahead for that matter. Heh...although, I did try to bribe a Target employee to call me the second he knew they got some in. He shot me down though. Of course, I wouldn't have had to gone through any of this had the Sam Goody here gotten their shipment OR notified me at some point that my reservation wouldn't be fulfilled until at least n-n-n-next ye-ye-year. Fuck! Ass!

[Evilhead]

Apparently on Monday the store I work at got a PS3 in. No one called about PS3s or even asked in the store about them. It wasn't until Thursday until someone asked and we said "FINALLY." I think it's rather comical.

I've assumed that's how it's been. Employees never tell you when they're gonna get any in even if they do know when they are. For the most part, if I'm at a store I just look where they would be and don't even bother asking or calling ahead for that matter. Heh...although, I did try to bribe a Target employee to call me the second he knew they got some in. He shot me down though. Of course, I wouldn't have had to gone through any of this had the Sam Goody here gotten their shipment OR notified me at some point that my reservation wouldn't be fulfilled until at least n-n-n-next ye-ye-year. Fuck! Ass!

Yeah, the same thing happened with the PS2 came out. There were no PS2s in stores and they were going for insane prices on eBay. I gave up wishing for one for my bithday/Christmas, but my mom just walked into Best Buy and they happened to have one. It's not like the stores are going to put out huge signs that say, HEY WE GOT A PS3 IN!!, and sometimes people just don't ask because they assume there is no chance.

[Bigfoot]

People seriously willing to give up their children for a PS3. (http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Dec/bga20061204000019.htm)

[FuriousFure]

People seriously willing to give up their children for a PS3. (http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Dec/bga20061204000019.htm)

okay, this is ridiculous. these people arn't gamers at all. they see that ps3 as a way to make some easy money. what has the videogame industry done to itself?
gone are the days of staying up all night for a system and playing the whole of the next day. now, for the most part, they are just a cash in. *Sigh*
i guess i'm just a videogame hopeless romantic.

[ambient]

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/index.html?tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&click=topslot

So as it stands now, 360 has better graphics?

[Bigfoot]

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/index.html?tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&click=topslot

So as it stands now, 360 has better graphics?

You should see the Ultimate Alliance video comparison of all three consoles on gametrailers.com

The FPS for the PS3 version is horrible.

[Bahamut]

Well, you can't tell too much by launch titles usually. I'd say give it some time when you see actual unique games for the system that shows off the system's prowess.

Oh, and here's an odd result of a survey: Blu-ray inclusion in PS3 hurting it? (http://www.gametab.com/news/760380/)

[Bigfoot]

Another article about the Xbox360 looking better than the PS3.

http://www.smartmoney.com/news/PR/index.cfm?story=PR-20061207-000880-0858


Sure, it's just graphics right? But when Sony claims that it's supposed to be "b3yond" or whatever, it sure is looking like nothing new.

[Poiso]

we're talking (rather shitty) launch titles versus titles for a half-year old system

if this is still happening a little later, then that's a point.

[SilverStar]

How about the fact that they're titles that were already fully developed and that it shouldn't take more than a week of tweaking and the time needed to recompile, to get a product that would look exactly the same?

That there's actually texture differences, means that they had to actually rebuild the entire resource base for textures, to get it on the PS3, and often had to tone them down to do so. Image formats aren't system exclusive, and that's all a texture is.

[Evilhead]

How about the fact that they're titles that were already fully developed and that it shouldn't take more than a week of tweaking and the time needed to recompile, to get a product that would look exactly the same?

That there's actually texture differences, means that they had to actually rebuild the entire resource base for textures, to get it on the PS3, and often had to tone them down to do so. Image formats aren't system exclusive, and that's all a texture is.

Like everyone else is saying, a quick port/launch title will look a lot worse than a game designed from the ground up for the PS3 with a year or so of programming experience by developers. Lauch titles rarely show off the system's full power.

[Razumen]

How about the fact that they're titles that were already fully developed and that it shouldn't take more than a week of tweaking and the time needed to recompile, to get a product that would look exactly the same?

That there's actually texture differences, means that they had to actually rebuild the entire resource base for textures, to get it on the PS3, and often had to tone them down to do so. Image formats aren't system exclusive, and that's all a texture is.

The Ps3's hardware is actually quite different than the 360's though, so it's definitively harder for developers to take full advantage of it than the more standard designed 360. Even if they were more similar, there is no way a week is enough time to port a game efficiently over to a new console.

Anyways, most of the criticisms of the images were just small nitpicks ("zomg not enuff of teh bloom!"). Judging games by screenshots is also a thing of the past, I bet if you saw them playing side by side you'd be harder pressed to judge the 'superior' version.

[SilverStar]

How about the fact that they're titles that were already fully developed and that it shouldn't take more than a week of tweaking and the time needed to recompile, to get a product that would look exactly the same?

That there's actually texture differences, means that they had to actually rebuild the entire resource base for textures, to get it on the PS3, and often had to tone them down to do so. Image formats aren't system exclusive, and that's all a texture is.

The Ps3's hardware is actually quite different than the 360's though, so it's definitively harder for developers to take full advantage of it than the more standard designed 360. Even if they were more similar, there is no way a week is enough time to port a game efficiently over to a new console.

Anyways, most of the criticisms of the images were just small nitpicks ("zomg not enuff of teh bloom!"). Judging games by screenshots is also a thing of the past, I bet if you saw them playing side by side you'd be harder pressed to judge the 'superior' version.

Actually, to me, it looks like the PS3 can only do bloom and not full-on HDR lighting effects.

I'm hoping that's not the case, and usually you need to see a game in action in person, or at least see a video of it, to know for sure.

Or, at the worst case, let it be a matter of HDR OR AA, like it seems to be with Wii, or nVidia 7x line of cards.

But, for a port, these are fairly standard graphics effects that are missing. For the most part, they're literally just switches that are put in for the graphics engine at compile time. Cutting the draw distance, to show less objects in the rear view mirror of Carbon? Having distinctly lower quality textures in most of the ports? The only reason to lower the texture size, is to make up for a sluggish GPU.

But, yes. I'd like to see what the PS3 can manage for side-by-side developed ports, in a year. At the least, it should have some decent PS2 emulators for it, by then.

[FuriousFure]

how about the two launch titles compared. Both fightnights were made for the launch. so.... what does that mean?
nothing, except they look really close but one has a new view and one hasn't got rumble.
once/if they get into the raw power of cell processor then, they ps3 will take off b3yond the 360.

i guess that point is, that contrary to the assumption that the xbox360 has or is going to hit the celing of its power before the ps3 could be wrong. it might take years for the programmer to open pandora's box and by then we might be looking to the future of new systems.
who knows?

[SilverStar]

Either way, I'm just looking forward to the next gen of systems.

The generation when integrated HDDs are standard, HD is a given, wireless, motion-sensitive controllers are default, it's a seamless transition between offline and online, and it's once again brought to the point of being, "Who can innovate, and is it really needed anymore?" rather than all these gimmicks, which is quite honestly what both Nintendo and Sony are relying on.

Sony's all about the BluRay, Nintendo's all about the Wiimote. Which one is superior for my uses? The wiimote. I have a PC I use for all my other multimedia needs. I don't even own my own TV, because I just use my computer monitor as needed. Do I think games will need so much bloody storage? Not for quite awhile. Will it become a limiting factor? Not so long as they don't need to put lots of pre-rendered CG on the disc to suck up room.

[Bigfoot]

PS1/PS2 games look terrible when played on the PS3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs&eurl=)

[Bobwillis]

PS1/PS2 games look terrible when played on the PS3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs&eurl=)

Is this really true?

[Bahamut]

Eh, if you own a PS3, you probably own a PS2 anyway.

[Bigfoot]

Eh, if you own a PS3, you probably own a PS2 anyway.

Still, I remember seeing the PS3 display and it bragging about it's backwards compatibility. If this is truly what it does, then that is nothing to brag about.

[Back_Lit]

Eh, if you own a PS3, you probably own a PS2 anyway.

Not entirely true. I had planned on getting a PS3 because I didn't have a PS2...but then the price, SONY's PR, and now this have all gotten in the way.

[atmuh]

Eh, if you own a PS3, you probably own a PS2 anyway.
The thing is, I have a PS2 and if I got a PS3 I would love the convenience of playing all my PS1 and PS2 stuff on there. I would hate to have to use my PS2 for it just because it looks really bad in comparison (but I would).

[Evilhead]

Eh, if you own a PS3, you probably own a PS2 anyway.

Still, I remember seeing the PS3 display and it bragging about it's backwards compatibility. If this is truly what it does, then that is nothing to brag about.

Well, I was thinking of getting a Japanese PS3 so that's a Japanese PS2 right there which is pretty cool since I have a lot of Japanese games.

[kidThunder]

PS3 will suck in the end. Why? because I, as a gamer, does not see how people should pay a high price for a game system. WTF?!? If I had the money, I'll buy me a 360 and a Wii instead (since you could get those two for the same price). But I see Sony, as a company is all about a few things: making money, rippin' folks off, and stealing ideas.

In other terms, if I had a PS3, I'll trade it in and get the Wii and a shitload of Wii games.

[atmuh]

PS3 will suck in the end. Why? because I, as a gamer, does not see how people should pay a high price for a game system. WTF?!? If I had the money, I'll buy me a 360 and a Wii instead (since you could get those two for the same price). But I see Sony, as a company is all about a few things: making money, rippin' folks off, and stealing ideas.

In other terms, if I had a PS3, I'll trade it in and get the Wii and a shitload of Wii games.

are you over the age limit to sign up for these forums?

[Bigfoot]

Oh jeez...

[JoeFu]

PS3 will suck in the end. Why? because I, as a gamer, does not see how people should pay a high price for a game system. WTF?!? If I had the money, I'll buy me a 360 and a Wii instead (since you could get those two for the same price). But I see Sony, as a company is all about a few things: making money, rippin' folks off, and stealing ideas.

In other terms, if I had a PS3, I'll trade it in and get the Wii and a shitload of Wii games.

Do you know what I think will suck in the end?


YOU!!!!!


:tomatoface:

[Blake]

PS3 will suck in the end. Why? because I, as a gamer, does not see how people should pay a high price for a game system. WTF?!? If I had the money, I'll buy me a 360 and a Wii instead (since you could get those two for the same price). But I see Sony, as a company is all about a few things: making money, rippin' folks off, and stealing ideas.

In other terms, if I had a PS3, I'll trade it in and get the Wii and a shitload of Wii games.

Though I do not plan on buying PS3 anytime soon, and plan to do what you do, this IS a ps3 thread. Not a Nintendo Wii and X-Box 360 Thread, or a "i'll name a system I like better than that of the title" thread. It's a PS3 thread.

[Kalmah HTU]

I can't wait to get my PS3. Once I get that bad boy out of its box, I'm gonna flip it on its back and attack its weak point for massive damage.

Then I'll probably switch it out, in real time mind you, with a not-so-crappy system, like a Wii.

[atmuh]

I can't wait to get my PS3. Once I get that bad boy out of its box, I'm gonna flip it on its back and attack its weak point for massive damage.

Then I'll probably switch it out, in real time mind you, with a not-so-crappy system, like a Wii.

are you over the age limit to sign up for these forums?

[JoeFu]

lol i kant wate 2 ply ridgre raser adn screm RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER!

nd den bash it wit a hamr.

[Bobwillis]

Ridge Racer stopped being good after 4, sadly.

[Bahamut]

I can't wait to get my PS3. Once I get that bad boy out of its box, I'm gonna flip it on its back and attack its weak point for massive damage.

Then I'll probably switch it out, in real time mind you, with a not-so-crappy system, like a Wii.

are you over the age limit to sign up for these forums?

He likes Kalmah, the power metal band, so I'm going to have to go with yes.

[PriZm]

I can't wait to get my PS3. Once I get that bad boy out of its box, I'm gonna flip it on its back and attack its weak point for massive damage.

Then I'll probably switch it out, in real time mind you, with a not-so-crappy system, like a Wii.

are you over the age limit to sign up for these forums?

He likes Kalmah, the power metal band, so I'm going to have to go with yes.

:?:

[FuriousFure]

this topic has seemingly been invaded by some sorta of juvenile thought-processes. i was just at a gamestop today, and they had Klonoa 2 on the Ps3. i even said to one of my party members (heh.) "i wouldn't be displaying this for the ps3" that vid is true. the jags are to the max on the BC. while it seems the other systems clear up the old games. the ps3 seems to bring out those jags right into the spotlight. almost to the point where it is harder to read or follow whats going on in the game. yes, it is that bad.
sony needs to act on this. the ps3 seems to be sonys last defense on the videogame market. seeing how the nintendo ds is trouncing the psp in sales. get on the ball sony! you still can retain the crown of being the leader.

[Bahamut]

I can't wait to get my PS3. Once I get that bad boy out of its box, I'm gonna flip it on its back and attack its weak point for massive damage.

Then I'll probably switch it out, in real time mind you, with a not-so-crappy system, like a Wii.

are you over the age limit to sign up for these forums?

He likes Kalmah, the power metal band, so I'm going to have to go with yes.

:?:

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=702

[Penfold]

Well, I was thinking of getting a Japanese PS3 so that's a Japanese PS2 right there which is pretty cool since I have a lot of Japanese games.

I haven't heard about this for a while, but I remember previously hearing the PS3 was supposed to be region-free. Did it not turn out to be?

[Zaid]

So off topic a bit...Who here is really worried for the future of the Playstation. The way its going right now I don't see how it even has a shot at the market.

The Wii is taking the market by storm, the 360 already has had its year run. I am just partially worried for the Playstations future, because i think it's been very healthy to have them in the market.
Here's in the hope that the Playstation scrapes by this generation.

[The Author]

Okay, latest numbers according to Wikipedia (again, the only VG related source I can consult from work).

Wii:

Units sold
Worldwide: 1 million+ as of December 7, 2006[3]
United States: 476,000 as of December 1, 2006[4]
Japan: 372,000 as of December 5, 2006[5]
Europe: 325,000 as of December 13, 2006[6]
Australia 32,901 as of December 10, 2006 [7]

Xbox 360

Units sold
Worldwide: 6 million[1] (as of September 30, 2006)
United States: 3.8 million[2] (as of December 7, 2006)
Japan: Less than 180,000[3] (as of December 11, 2006)

PS3:

Units sold
Worldwide: 384,836 (as of December 3, 2006)
North America: 197,000[4] (as of the end of November 2006)
Japan: 187,836[5] (as of December 3, 2006)




With the 360 though, I have doubts concerning their 6 million figure. It does seem however, that the PS3 is trailing in that launch. Heck, if the Wii keeps up selling this fast (1 million in 1 month) it is possible that it reaches 12 million by this date next year.

The PS3, at this pace would be at 700 000 and the 360 would be at 12 milion as well.

Assuming, of course, that all consoles keep selling at the same pace. Obviously, there will be an increased production of the PS3. If they don't pick up production, the PS3 will be in serious trouble.

[Bigfoot]

Sony says they're on track again with achieving their goal of shipping 2million by the end of this year. They say they've resolved their manufacturing problem.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/tc_nm/sony_dc

[The Author]

Sony says they're on track again with achieving their goal of shipping 2million by the end of this year. They say they've resolved their manufacturing problem.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/tc_nm/sony_dc

They do know the year ends on december 31st, right?

[Bahamut]

PS3 production is going to be low for a while since they have to deal with the European launch too, and getting enough PS3s produced for Japan and the US. What I find odd though is that quite a bunch of PS3 auctions lately have been ending at <$750 for the 60 GB PS3. It's actually more profitable to sell a Wii on ebay than a PS3. Maybe that means that we'll see a price drop even quicker than Sony may want.

[Bigfoot]

Sony says they're on track again with achieving their goal of shipping 2million by the end of this year. They say they've resolved their manufacturing problem.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/tc_nm/sony_dc

They do know the year ends on december 31st, right?

Haha, yeah, I was wondering if they knew that too. Maybe they mean fiscal year.

[The Author]

Also, Units shipped =! Units sold.

It most likely will, eventually, but it does not. And one week from now, they will have a hard time selling consoles. And January is not a great month for selling stuff.

Oh well, as long as they don't have a third massive recall, it should be okay.

[Bahamut]

For those looking for a PS3: http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?cat=Video+Games&pid=05896010000&sid=I0084400010000100383&AFFL=Y

This has been up for 9 hours and hasn't been sold out. It's not a bad bundle either.

[Viol8tor]

Okay, latest numbers according to Wikipedia (again, the only VG related source I can consult from work).

Wii:

Units sold
Worldwide: 1 million+ as of December 7, 2006[3]
United States: 476,000 as of December 1, 2006[4]
Japan: 372,000 as of December 5, 2006[5]
Europe: 325,000 as of December 13, 2006[6]
Australia 32,901 as of December 10, 2006 [7]

Xbox 360

Units sold
Worldwide: 6 million[1] (as of Sep
\tember 30, 2006)
United States: 3.8 million[2] (as of December 7, 2006)
Japan: Less than 180,000[3] (as of December 11, 2006)

PS3:

Units sold
Worldwide: 384,836 (as of December 3, 2006)
North America: 197,000[4] (as of the end of November 2006)
Japan: 187,836[5] (as of December 3, 2006)




With the 360 though, I have doubts concerning their 6 million figure. It does seem however, that the PS3 is trailing in that launch. Heck, if the Wii keeps up selling this fast (1 million in 1 month) it is possible that it reaches 12 million by this date next year.

The PS3, at this pace would be at 700 000 and the 360 would be at 12 milion as well.

Assuming, of course, that all consoles keep selling at the same pace. Obviously, there will be an increased production of the PS3. If they don't pick up production, the PS3 will be in serious trouble.

So both the Wii and PS3 have already sold more than the xbox 360 in japan?

Thats quite :lol:

[Bigfoot]

PS3 production is going to be low for a while since they have to deal with the European launch too, and getting enough PS3s produced for Japan and the US. What I find odd though is that quite a bunch of PS3 auctions lately have been ending at <$750 for the 60 GB PS3. It's actually more profitable to sell a Wii on ebay than a PS3. Maybe that means that we'll see a price drop even quicker than Sony may want.


Well, it even looks like the European launch might be pushed from March to September.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=151602?cid=otc-rss&attr=cvg-general-rss&skip=yes

[Prodigal Moon]

Ever hear the expression "robbing Peter to pay Paul" Sony?

[The Damned]

PS3 production is going to be low for a while since they have to deal with the European launch too, and getting enough PS3s produced for Japan and the US. What I find odd though is that quite a bunch of PS3 auctions lately have been ending at <$750 for the 60 GB PS3. It's actually more profitable to sell a Wii on ebay than a PS3. Maybe that means that we'll see a price drop even quicker than Sony may want.


Well, it even looks like the European launch might be pushed from March to September.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=151602?cid=otc-rss&attr=cvg-general-rss&skip=yes
Oh wow... why do the console companies hate Europe so much?

[Bigfoot]

PS3 production is going to be low for a while since they have to deal with the European launch too, and getting enough PS3s produced for Japan and the US. What I find odd though is that quite a bunch of PS3 auctions lately have been ending at <$750 for the 60 GB PS3. It's actually more profitable to sell a Wii on ebay than a PS3. Maybe that means that we'll see a price drop even quicker than Sony may want.


Well, it even looks like the European launch might be pushed from March to September.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=151602?cid=otc-rss&attr=cvg-general-rss&skip=yes
Oh wow... why do the console companies hate Europe so much?

Seriously, I mean it's like "OK, OK..3 months to go..not TOO bad I guess...WTH, now I gotta wait NINE months?!"

[Nec5]

Hey Bahamut or anybody for that matter, why did you say the PS3 online capability is pretty awful? I'm a bit out of the loop, and this thread serves as my info source.

[JoeFu]

Something about games having their own friend list and the xfire thing doesn't work when you are in a game. If someone sends you a message to play another game while you are playing Resistance or something, you wouldn't be able to tell unless you quit.

I think that's what one of the main problems was.

[Bahamut]

It's just as disjoint as the Wii appears to be - separate stuff for different games. Also there's not much known about it - the Wii has an expected selection of great downloadable games, but there's little known about the PS3's market for downloadable games.

[Bahamut]

A double post, but I felt this was interesting enough - the PS3 plays those PS1/PS2 games so crappily only if you use HDMI it appears: http://www.gametab.com/news/766514/

[CE]

PS3 production is going to be low for a while since they have to deal with the European launch too, and getting enough PS3s produced for Japan and the US. What I find odd though is that quite a bunch of PS3 auctions lately have been ending at <$750 for the 60 GB PS3. It's actually more profitable to sell a Wii on ebay than a PS3. Maybe that means that we'll see a price drop even quicker than Sony may want.


Well, it even looks like the European launch might be pushed from March to September.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=151602?cid=otc-rss&attr=cvg-general-rss&skip=yes
Oh wow... why do the console companies hate Europe so much?

Seriously, I mean it's like "OK, OK..3 months to go..not TOO bad I guess...WTH, now I gotta wait NINE months?!"

They just don't get it...

[Razumen]

A double post, but I felt this was interesting enough - the PS3 plays those PS1/PS2 games so crappily only if you use HDMI it appears: http://www.gametab.com/news/766514/

Unfortunatley that isn't quite correct, people have had issues using the same component cables they used for their PS2. Using HDMI may just cause more problems with more games than using components.

[Bahamut]

A double post, but I felt this was interesting enough - the PS3 plays those PS1/PS2 games so crappily only if you use HDMI it appears: http://www.gametab.com/news/766514/

Unfortunatley that isn't quite correct, people have had issues using the same component cables they used for their PS2. Using HDMI may just cause more problems with more games than using components.

I actually read further and saw that they found exactly what was the problem (I was too tired to edit it though, it was 5 am in the morning) - so now all it takes is Sony to acknowledge the problem and put out a firmware update.

[Petara]

A double post, but I felt this was interesting enough - the PS3 plays those PS1/PS2 games so crappily only if you use HDMI it appears: http://www.gametab.com/news/766514/

Unfortunatley that isn't quite correct, people have had issues using the same component cables they used for their PS2. Using HDMI may just cause more problems with more games than using components.

I actually read further and saw that they found exactly what was the problem (I was too tired to edit it though, it was 5 am in the morning) - so now all it takes is Sony to acknowledge the problem and put out a firmware update.

Setting up the HDMI was definitely interesting. For one, I about fell over when I saw how much it was. They say because it's still in its early stages it's going to be expesive, yes-- but 80 bucks for a freakin cord...yeesh. Then, I plug it in and try alternating between my component input and the HDMI until I get a signal during the test phase. That took some effort. I basically had to time it right. Ended up turning the console and my tv off numerous times. After all that, I realize the best resolution I'm gonna get is only 720p. It's a good thing Resistance is a sick game, or I might actually be a little peeved.

[SilverStar]

A double post, but I felt this was interesting enough - the PS3 plays those PS1/PS2 games so crappily only if you use HDMI it appears: http://www.gametab.com/news/766514/

Unfortunatley that isn't quite correct, people have had issues using the same component cables they used for their PS2. Using HDMI may just cause more problems with more games than using components.

I actually read further and saw that they found exactly what was the problem (I was too tired to edit it though, it was 5 am in the morning) - so now all it takes is Sony to acknowledge the problem and put out a firmware update.

It's looking like the PS3's scaling issues will require a bit more than just a firmware update. Both for the BC and the other scaling problem.

[SilverStar]

So..

Guess this kinda proves that not even Sony thinks the PS3 is worth the effort, now.

http://www.ps3news.ca/12212006/01/sony_promises_uber_ps3_to_come

Ken Kutaragi promises AV-centric PlayStation 3
PS3 Sony Ken Kutaragi Av-centric sound video hdmiWith PS3 barely over a month old, Sony exec Ken Kutaragi is already talking about the next incarnation of the PlayStation 3.

In a recent interview with Japan's Impress, Kutaragi discussed an AV-centric PS3 in which audio and video are the priority. Powered by the Cell processor, this "promised" future PS3 would "be a standard AV component sized box with a more powerful, power supply unit, anti-shake insulator, twice the main memory, and 2x HDMI to split sound and video output."

According to Engadget HD, Impress has estimated that the device could cost as much as ¥300,000 or about $2,500. It makes that 60GB PlayStation 3 look mighty cheap by comparison, does it not?

[The Damned]

$2,500 US dollars
Uhm... what?

[Bahamut]

That sounds more geared towards the hardcore audio/video enthusiasts.

[Bigfoot]

PS3 loses another exclusive title.

Virtua Figher 5 (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=152824&skip=yes)

[Bahamut]

Um, that's more appropriate for the XBox 360 thread.

[The Damned]

I think a major title loss is appropriate for both.

[Bigfoot]

It's all good. sgx already has it posted in that thread.

[linkspast]

$2,500 US dollars
Uhm... what?

So on ebay this would go for about 6k?

[Bigfoot]

$2,500 US dollars
Uhm... what?

So on ebay this would go for about 6k?

If they were in as of a high demand as the PS3 was upon it's release, then it would be a lot higher.

Weren't there a few PS3s that reached as high as 10,000? If so, then if the price of $2,500 were inflated in the same way, it'd be around $42,000 ;P

[Bahamut]

$2,500 US dollars
Uhm... what?

So on ebay this would go for about 6k?

If they were in as of a high demand as the PS3 was upon it's release, then it would be a lot higher.

Weren't there a few PS3s that reached as high as 10,000? If so, then if the price of $2,500 were inflated in the same way, it'd be around $42,000 ;P

And right now some PS3s are going for loss.

[Xaleph]

for a second there I thought the title was p$3 - thought it was rather punny.

[linkspast]

Woot.com has... well had ps3 20gb for $500 For about 30 seconds... lol well in 3hr and 54min

[Bahamut]

Haha woot.com had PS3s? Wow.

[linkspast]

But for some reason I get this feeling that they like the wii much more... read their write-up and click the ps3...

[Evilhead]

You can get 60GB PS3s on Yahoo Japan for much closer to retail now. I was thinking of buying one but I'm going to wait a bit until there are some more releases out. The VF5 being ported to the 360 is a bit of a surprise though. It's one of the titles that was really driving my desire for a PS3, so I might see how this plays out. It just cements even further my plans to get a 360, as soon as I can get my hands on a US console.

[aragornx45]

About 4 days ago I saw the bigger PS3 sell for $580...I had jumped on Ebay to check something else and did a search on PS3's just out of curiosity... It was at $450 with about 10 min to go and I was seriously thinking on bidding for that lower price. Didn't though because I'm not too much into video games anymore (time). Find it interesting that I saw some PS3's going for barely over list. I think the majority of people who bought the PS3's on release date did it just with the sole intention of reselling. There were literally pages of solid PS3's at very reasonable prices ($50-$200 over list) with no bids.

I honesly think this new generation was released when there was too much lif left in the current one. Add that to the fact that the visual/performance leap isn't nearly as great as it was from NES to SNES or Genesis to PSX...

I think the video game industry has a new type of problem on their hands....wait and see...

[Bigfoot]

UPS employees busted with stealing $19,000 worth of PS3s.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/eastjefferson/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1166686887146230.xml&coll=1

[Bahamut]

You can get 60GB PS3s on Yahoo Japan for much closer to retail now. I was thinking of buying one but I'm going to wait a bit until there are some more releases out. The VF5 being ported to the 360 is a bit of a surprise though. It's one of the titles that was really driving my desire for a PS3, so I might see how this plays out. It just cements even further my plans to get a 360, as soon as I can get my hands on a US console.

I'm actually purchasing a 360 when I wake up tomorrow, mainly because I'll be able to get the premium for essentially $200. It takes around that pricepoint for me to really consider a console purchase, but I think it also makes a nice Christmas present to my parents as a reliable DVD player that makes use of the HDTV we have via component cables that come with the system.

And lol @ the thieves caught at grand theft.

[linkspast]

UPS employees busted with stealing $19,000 worth of PS3s.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/eastjefferson/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1166686887146230.xml&coll=1

So how many did they get six?

[Zutnunzor]

You can get 60GB PS3s on Yahoo Japan for much closer to retail now. I was thinking of buying one but I'm going to wait a bit until there are some more releases out. The VF5 being ported to the 360 is a bit of a surprise though. It's one of the titles that was really driving my desire for a PS3, so I might see how this plays out. It just cements even further my plans to get a 360, as soon as I can get my hands on a US console.

I'm actually purchasing a 360 when I wake up tomorrow, mainly because I'll be able to get the premium for essentially $200. It takes around that pricepoint for me to really consider a console purchase, but I think it also makes a nice Christmas present to my parents as a reliable DVD player that makes use of the HDTV we have via component cables that come with the system.

And lol @ the thieves caught at grand theft.

200$ for the Premium? Do tell! I missed out on the amazon sale and I'm lookin' into the 360 market myself. Just gotta have Halo 3.

[Bahamut]

You can get 60GB PS3s on Yahoo Japan for much closer to retail now. I was thinking of buying one but I'm going to wait a bit until there are some more releases out. The VF5 being ported to the 360 is a bit of a surprise though. It's one of the titles that was really driving my desire for a PS3, so I might see how this plays out. It just cements even further my plans to get a 360, as soon as I can get my hands on a US console.

I'm actually purchasing a 360 when I wake up tomorrow, mainly because I'll be able to get the premium for essentially $200. It takes around that pricepoint for me to really consider a console purchase, but I think it also makes a nice Christmas present to my parents as a reliable DVD player that makes use of the HDTV we have via component cables that come with the system.

And lol @ the thieves caught at grand theft.

200$ for the Premium? Do tell! I missed out on the amazon sale and I'm lookin' into the 360 market myself. Just gotta have Halo 3.

There is currently a deal at Microcenter for XBox 360 for $200 after $100 mail in rebate, but I'm not doing this deal - I have a special stackable 25% off total purchase coupon at Toys 'R Us, and they have a promotion that ends at Christmas for a $100 gift card with the purchase of an XBox 360.

Also 60 GB PS3 in stock here if anyone wanted: http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/PlayStation-3/sem/rpsm/catOid/-16622/N/20012841+20016481+20016622/link/ref/rpem/ccd/categorySpecial.do

[Bigfoot]

PS3 Xmas freebie: Gran Turismo HD Concept (http://prnewswire.com/news/index_mail.shtml?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/12-22-2006/0004496137&EDATE=)

Demos are usually free anyway, but I guess this makes it sound like they're actually giving you a gift.

[SilverStar]

So. Anyone want a PS3?

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3s-spotted-in-atlanta-best-buy-223871.php

Seems they're pretty common on shelves now, if you just take a look for 'em.

[atmuh]

So. Anyone want a PS3?

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3s-spotted-in-atlanta-best-buy-223871.php

Seems they're pretty common on shelves now, if you just take a look for 'em.
There are two sitting in the back of my store.

[SilverStar]

It's funny, because people like to jump in and say "That's not how it is!" when systems are going for cost, or less, on ebay, and they can't even move from store shelves.

I guess there was too much negative hype, this time.