Sony PS3

[Bigfoot]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19263

Looks like Sony isn't going to launch with as many PS3s as they hoped for. But honestly, does any company really launch without some kind of shortage?


This probably means great news for people who sell theirs on eBay. People are probably going to get $2,000 EASY for selling a PS3 on eBay.

[Penfold]

lol, did the old ps3 thread die or something?

[Bigfoot]

lol, did the old ps3 thread die or something?

Yeah, I tried looking for it, but I didn't see it anywhere.

[Ninja-san]

I wish I could buy a ps3 at launch date but not untill that price gets cut down 3 times. Sadly since it looks like most of hte ps3 games are being ported to the 360 i may go with that. Gotta play RE5 whenever that comes out :(

[Penfold]

Yeah, personally I'm waiting on the PS3 till, well, interesting-sounding titles actually come out. To be honest, all their currently-announced launch titles sounds pretty boring.

[Toadofsky]

I only want to play Metal Gear Solid 4, other than that, nothing is really making me want the system (Sony never really has a good launch line up of games, to me at least).

[CE]

I want to play Metal Gear Solid 4.

Damn, I want to play this almost or as much as Twilight Princess.

[KWarp]

I met someone who's played a build of it. He was all like whoa. 8O

Is it coming to PS3 this year?

[linkspast]

I want to play Metal Gear Solid 4.

Damn, I want to play this almost or as much as Twilight Princess.

OH yeah..... I just finished all of the mgs games (not acid or the gb) man there way awsome....

but to play mgs4... its gonna be expensive... a $600 game.... wow... but its almost worth it

[CE]

I met someone who's played a build of it. He was all like whoa. 8O

Is it coming to PS3 this year?

2006...2008(!) bang bang 2007. :D

[Toadofsky]

I want to play Metal Gear Solid 4.


Does my text always turn red? I must have said the secret word or something....

[Dryer Lint]

I saw a PS3 at the Leipzig Games Convention and I must say... it is even more humongously huge than I imagined.

Put two original PS2 units next to each other and one slimline PS2 on top and you've basically got the PS3.

And you can't even use it as some kind of expensive noisy coffee table because it has a curved surface.

...the games do look quite impressive though!

[PriZm]

In Canada, the XBOX 360 had a launch price of 500$. Add the 200$ HD-DVD player and its 700$

PS3 will launch at 659$, which is almost half the price of the current blu-ray players, and the same price as the current HD-DVD players.

But yeah, the launch title don't seem so impressive, and since it's a new technology and all, it would probably be wise to wait a couple of months to see if everything is working properly.

I have confidence that the PS3 will, ultimately, be worth it.

[sgx]

PS3 is worth it if you were going to get a blu ray player, but if you weren't...$600 is too much. Especially when there are so many cross platform games.

I don't see the fact that PS3 has blu ray being as much as a factor as DVD was for the PS2. DVD's were substantially better than VHS, plus everyone had a TV that would play DVD's. Blu Ray/ HD DVD basically just look better, and this is only if you have an HD TV which everybody doesn't. There's almost no reason to get blu ray unless you have an HD TV.

[SilverStar]

Bah, if you want to swing your storage ePenis, wait a couple more years for HVDs to come out. With 100+GB per layer, you'd be able to get a lot more bang for your buck.

The sweet spot for HDTV is 720p. You get HD quality, without using as much storage space, and you don't go about wasting what almost a full 1/3 of HDTV owners have as their maximum.

And I still laugh at the laughably long loading times the PS3 will have. Trying to pump 4+ times the data, through something running as fast as a 4x DVD drive(2x BD-ROM=4x DVD-ROM stream speeds), when the PS2 had a 2x DVD drive in it. That means you'll be looking at no less than double the loading times.

And then, there's the latest coming from sony, in what the PS3's slogan is. "This is living". So, apparently the PS3 is no longer a game console, or an entertainment node, or even a home appliance. The PS3 has become a lifestyle, in and of itself. :P
http://games.kikizo.com/media/thisisliving/01c.jpg

[Bobwillis]

^ That is awesome. :lol:

They wish to take over your life.

Before it was "Live in your world. Play in ours."

Now it's "Live in our world. Play in our world."

[Bahamut]

PS3 is worth it if you were going to get a blu ray player, but if you weren't...$600 is too much. Especially when there are so many cross platform games.

I don't see the fact that PS3 has blu ray being as much as a factor as DVD was for the PS2. DVD's were substantially better than VHS, plus everyone had a TV that would play DVD's. Blu Ray/ HD DVD basically just look better, and this is only if you have an HD TV which everybody doesn't. There's almost no reason to get blu ray unless you have an HD TV.

Yep, I think Sony is forgetting how large the jump was from VHS to DVD as opposed to DVD to blu-ray. Otherwise, what they're doing would make good sense.

[watkinzez]

Looked for a PS3 thread to post in.

No PAL PS3 till March 07. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aINPy_Du8x5o&refer=japan)

Will Nintendo take advantage of this opportunity? Or will us Europeans/Australians get completely shafted?

[CE]

Looked for a PS3 thread to post in.

No PAL PS3 till March 07. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aINPy_Du8x5o&refer=japan)

Will Nintendo take advantage of this opportunity? Or will us Europeans/Australians get completely shafted?

What the fuck are these guys doing?! They're practically surrendering the Euro/Australian market to Nintendo and Microsoft!! Christmas is a huge time for freshly-launched consoles and they just give it up, possibly making way for a very stable Wii launch? Goddamned retards! ARGH! In essence, this only pisses me off because it'll take even longer for me to be able to afford a PS3, but also because competivity may go down. What have you done sony?...

[Mr.Roboto]

Looked for a PS3 thread to post in.

No PAL PS3 till March 07. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aINPy_Du8x5o&refer=japan)

Will Nintendo take advantage of this opportunity? Or will us Europeans/Australians get completely shafted?

400k Consoles for the US,100k for Japan. (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/09/06/business/AS_FIN_COM_Japan_Sony_PlayStation.php)

So..in other words:

Europe is getting the shaft,
Sony's trying to go head on with the Xbox360's earlier release and the excitement for the Nintendo Wii.
And Sony basicly handed Nintendo Japans Market.

Yep,They're fucked.

[Bigfoot]

Looked for a PS3 thread to post in.

No PAL PS3 till March 07. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aINPy_Du8x5o&refer=japan)

Will Nintendo take advantage of this opportunity? Or will us Europeans/Australians get completely shafted?

400k Consoles for the US,100k for Japan. (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/09/06/business/AS_FIN_COM_Japan_Sony_PlayStation.php)

So..in other words:

Europe is getting the shaft,
Sony's trying to go head on with the Xbox360's earlier release and the excitement for the Nintendo Wii.
And Sony basicly handed Nintendo Japans Market.

Yep,They're fucked.

Yeah, I was getting ready to post this.

Weren't there 400k Xbox360's at launch here as well? But then again, when the 360 came out it's not like it had any other new console competition to deal with.


But man, only 100k in Japan? ouch.

[Bahamut]

Only 400k? Wow they fucked up.

[Avatar of Justice]

Well, Sony said it was a privledge to be able to only pay $600 for a PS3, so now with less available units at launch it'll be even MORE of a priveledge. Thank you Sony for letting us have such a great privledge! We truly are not worthy.

[SilverStar]

Wow. So, you mean the esteemed Sony, who went on record as saying they'd have 2 million units at launch, short of anything but a natural disaster or a manufacturing plant blowing up, has just handed the crown back to Nintendo, on a platinum platter?

Not only is Sony not going to be in the EU for another 5 months, Nintendo is going to be there, and will have FOUR times as many units available at launch, plus another 2 million units by the end of the year, and Sony will be lucky to break 1 million units in total, by then.

So.. anyone up for Metroid Prime 3? ;)

[KakTheInfected]

So, more copies of the FF3 remake were sold in the first week than the number of PS3's Sony will have available at launch...

Ebay ftw.

[Gruntguy]

Haha, sony is screwed.

$600 for one system, or $600 for TWO systems?

Hm...can I use a lifeline?

[SilverStar]

You know, as laughable as that Tokyo Drift movie is, one line does come to mind over this. I don't know if I have the quote exact, but it goes something like this.

"For want of a nail, a horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, a horse was lost. For want of a horse, a message was undelivered. For want of a message, a war was lost."

It isn't the big, bad, expensive Cell processor that may well spell the death of Sony as a company, but rather a cheap, $3-5 blue laser diode. Go fig. :P

[CE]

If this keeps up, the terrorists will win!

[Doulifée]

i'm ready to own a ps3 if sony pay me 600$ for that privilege.

[linkspast]

I think in the end the "victor" will be a result of the quality of games. Not just Grafix, or Production values, aviabality or gameplay but a balance of all.

Which is most likely why the ps2 was awsome. GCN was fun but the games were few and far between. This gen It appears that Sony & and Microsoft, are becoming so bent on outdoing each other. This will be their down fall.

However it looks like Nintendo is only making their games fun. but there still attractive, no doubt there is going to be plenty of wii for all, and of course gameplay is obvious.

But their fight will be thier downfall.

[The Womb]

I think in the end the "victor" will be a result of the quality of games. Not just Grafix, or Production values, aviabality or gameplay but a balance of all.

Which is most likely why the ps2 was awsome. GCN was fun but the games were few and far between. This gen It appears that Sony & and Microsoft, are becoming so bent on outdoing each other. This will be their down fall.

However it looks like Nintendo is only making their games fun. but there still attractive, no doubt there is going to be plenty of wii for all, and of course gameplay is obvious.

But their fight will be thier downfall.


Doesn't competition produce better quality?
I really don't see how your arguement goes
True now theirs 2 different audiences
The Wii market and the Microny market
But I really don't see how to companies fighting can cause each other to short circuit and die

[SilverStar]

I think in the end the "victor" will be a result of the quality of games. Not just Grafix, or Production values, aviabality or gameplay but a balance of all.

Which is most likely why the ps2 was awsome. GCN was fun but the games were few and far between. This gen It appears that Sony & and Microsoft, are becoming so bent on outdoing each other. This will be their down fall.

However it looks like Nintendo is only making their games fun. but there still attractive, no doubt there is going to be plenty of wii for all, and of course gameplay is obvious.

But their fight will be thier downfall.


Doesn't competition produce better quality?
I really don't see how your arguement goes
True now theirs 2 different audiences
The Wii market and the Microny market
But I really don't see how to companies fighting can cause each other to short circuit and die
MS and Sony were both going after the same, identical markets. A market which wasn't big enough for both players. So, in the end, one would have to die. In this case, it was Sony blowing their nuts off with a nuke that's doing it.

[CE]

SilverStar, let's try toning down the fan-giddyness a little bit. The consoles haven't even launched yet.

[linkspast]

I think in the end the "victor" will be a result of the quality of games. Not just Grafix, or Production values, aviabality or gameplay but a balance of all.

Which is most likely why the ps2 was awsome. GCN was fun but the games were few and far between. This gen It appears that Sony & and Microsoft, are becoming so bent on outdoing each other. This will be their down fall.

However it looks like Nintendo is only making their games fun. but there still attractive, no doubt there is going to be plenty of wii for all, and of course gameplay is obvious.

But their fight will be thier downfall.


Doesn't competition produce better quality?
I really don't see how your arguement goes
True now theirs 2 different audiences
The Wii market and the Microny market
But I really don't see how to companies fighting can cause each other to short circuit and die
MS and Sony were both going after the same, identical markets. A market which wasn't big enough for both players. So, in the end, one would have to die. In this case, it was Sony blowing their nuts off with a nuke that's doing it.

Yeha what I was getting at. I did not mean to say competition was bad, just not the most important thing of the business.

[The Mutericator]

I think in the end the "victor" will be a result of the quality of games. Not just Grafix, or Production values, aviabality or gameplay but a balance of all.

Which is most likely why the ps2 was awsome. GCN was fun but the games were few and far between. This gen It appears that Sony & and Microsoft, are becoming so bent on outdoing each other. This will be their down fall.

However it looks like Nintendo is only making their games fun. but there still attractive, no doubt there is going to be plenty of wii for all, and of course gameplay is obvious.

But their fight will be thier downfall.


Doesn't competition produce better quality?
I really don't see how your arguement goes
True now theirs 2 different audiences
The Wii market and the Microny market
But I really don't see how to companies fighting can cause each other to short circuit and die
MS and Sony were both going after the same, identical markets. A market which wasn't big enough for both players. So, in the end, one would have to die. In this case, it was Sony blowing their nuts off with a nuke that's doing it.

Not true at all. Two competitors can exist long-term in the same market - in fact, common economic theory demands it. Even in an oligopoly (competition between a few large companies with much marketshare) like this one, there will be competition. Any market in which long-term profit is being seen will inevitably bring in competition.

Also, the market is plenty big for two competitors. The only problem is that Microsoft and Sony are trying their hardest to become monopolists and are relying heavily on brand loyalty and product differentiation instead of cost-minimizing like one might see in a standard competitive market.

[mDuo13]

With regards to PS3 launch setbacks (http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=6811)... I'm kind of saddened. It feels like poor Sony can't get anything to go their way these days... and with 500,000 consoles total, split between North America and Japan, it's going to be rough for the first buyers.

And you thought $600 was expensive for a console. Try getting one off eBay this November.

[NeoForte]

Seriously this is dishearting news. Wasn't gonna get a Ps3 at launch but wow Sony is really dropping too many balls lately. Such a bind...they need help...
...
...
...
OUENDAN!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/Neo_Forte/ps3.jpg

[KakTheInfected]

Seriously this is dishearting news. Wasn't gonna get a Ps3 at launch but wow Sony is really dropping too many balls lately. Such a bind...they need help...
...
...
...
OUENDAN!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/Neo_Forte/ps3.jpg

lolololol

[mDuo13]

Seriously this is dishearting news. Wasn't gonna get a Ps3 at launch but wow Sony is really dropping too many balls lately. Such a bind...they need help...
...
...
...
OUENDAN!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/Neo_Forte/ps3.jpg

lolololol
QFE.

[Bigfoot]

I'm going to go ahead and guess that we will see PS3s on eBay for $3000.

[SilverStar]

Lemme put it this way: Parents with the money will be able to choose between putting a PS3 under the tree for their kid, or an X360, a Wii, and every last game for both systems, if they don't buy them retail, or first round of eBay.

I expect to see people buy PS3 systems, put them for sale on eBay, then have the same system go back up on eBay at least one more time, after it's been sold and delivered.

That, or half of the consoles will be featured in various episodes of Pimp My Ride, doubling the price of the car, no matter how excessively overpriced the vehicle may be.

[The Author]

Lemme put it this way: Parents with the money will be able to choose between putting a PS3 under the tree for their kid, or an X360, a Wii, and every last game for both systems, if they don't buy them retail, or first round of eBay.

I expect to see people buy PS3 systems, put them for sale on eBay, then have the same system go back up on eBay at least one more time, after it's been sold and delivered.

That, or half of the consoles will be featured in various episodes of Pimp My Ride, doubling the price of the car, no matter how excessively overpriced the vehicle may be.

I may actually buy 2 PS3 and sell one.

[Gruntguy]

Lemme put it this way: Parents with the money will be able to choose between putting a PS3 under the tree for their kid, or an X360, a Wii, and every last game for both systems, if they don't buy them retail, or first round of eBay.

I expect to see people buy PS3 systems, put them for sale on eBay, then have the same system go back up on eBay at least one more time, after it's been sold and delivered.

That, or half of the consoles will be featured in various episodes of Pimp My Ride, doubling the price of the car, no matter how excessively overpriced the vehicle may be.

I may actually buy 2 PS3 and sell one.

Good luck with that.

The day that the PS3 comes out it's going to be hard enough to find and buy one.

[!Nekko!]

Lemme put it this way: Parents with the money will be able to choose between putting a PS3 under the tree for their kid, or an X360, a Wii, and every last game for both systems, if they don't buy them retail, or first round of eBay.

I expect to see people buy PS3 systems, put them for sale on eBay, then have the same system go back up on eBay at least one more time, after it's been sold and delivered.

That, or half of the consoles will be featured in various episodes of Pimp My Ride, doubling the price of the car, no matter how excessively overpriced the vehicle may be.

I may actually buy 2 PS3 and sell one.

Good luck with that.

The day that the PS3 comes out it's going to be hard enough to find and buy one.

That would be the only way I would buy one. Its expected that they'll sell for about 2k since they're going to be really short stocked. (A local video game chain is only getting 2.) Make 1400 profit, use that towards a PS3 and some games. But like I said, theres going to be a LOT of people wanting one, so its going to be real hard. I'm going to try and camp a no-name walmart somewhere.

[The Author]

Lemme put it this way: Parents with the money will be able to choose between putting a PS3 under the tree for their kid, or an X360, a Wii, and every last game for both systems, if they don't buy them retail, or first round of eBay.

I expect to see people buy PS3 systems, put them for sale on eBay, then have the same system go back up on eBay at least one more time, after it's been sold and delivered.

That, or half of the consoles will be featured in various episodes of Pimp My Ride, doubling the price of the car, no matter how excessively overpriced the vehicle may be.

I may actually buy 2 PS3 and sell one.

Good luck with that.

The day that the PS3 comes out it's going to be hard enough to find and buy one.

Meh, I have my ways...

Plus if you are in a very far off place, like a small town that strangely enough has big store chains due to summer people, it may be easier than you think.

[UnforgivingEdges]

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00175/Bill_Gates_230_175669c.jpg

[JoeFu]

not trying to start any flames here, but I found this site fairly amusing.


http://www.thisiswaiting.com/

[atmuh]

not trying to start any flames here, but I found this site fairly amusing.


http://www.thisiswaiting.com/
hahahahaha nice

[KWarp]

This PS3 delay is worse than I thought. 400k units is horrible. 8O

[Evilhead]

Hopefully it won't be too much of a hassle to get a system. I know it will be hell here in Japan. It's STILL hard to find a DS Lite here. I've only seen one for the retail price at a store and I didn't have enough cash in my pocket at the time to buy it. PSP was the same deal. Took me forever to find one and I had to buy it used at full price. It's going to be crazy trying to get a Japanese PS3. Might just wait a while until I don't have to camp out to find it. $600 isn't that much money to me, but I hate having to hunt day and night for a system. I'm betting Sony will try to rely on the hype machine like with the PS2 and PSP to drive sales, but if people are already on the fence about the PS3 the lack of units might just drive them away for good. The 360 is looking like a better and better investment. I plan on getting both anyway, so I'll be happy with a 360 for a year or so until I can just walk into a store and buy a PS3 at a possibly reduced price. The Wii... meh.

[Mr.Roboto]

I do believe this is how alot of Sony fans are acting right now. (http://angrysonyfanboy.ytmnd.com/)

[megadave]

not trying to start any flames here, but I found this site fairly amusing.


http://www.thisiswaiting.com/
hahahahaha nice

The 'failure to launch' one is funny.

RIIIIIDGE RACCCER!!! is still funny too

God, I almost feel sorry for Sony. What is happening to me?

Hey, I have one. "This is bankruptcy"

[Bigfoot]

I like the "wii wish you a merry x-mas".

[Penfold]

not trying to start any flames here, but I found this site fairly amusing.


http://www.thisiswaiting.com/

lol, those were pretty funny.

[progressive]

http://www.wii60.com/uploads/1262.jpg

[KakTheInfected]

http://www.wii60.com/uploads/1262.jpg

Oooh...

[Ninja-san]

Im just curious. Whats so special about Blu-Ray technology?

[Calpis]

Im just curious. Whats so special about Blu-Ray technology?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

More storage space, from what I gather.

[Ninja-san]

Im just curious. Whats so special about Blu-Ray technology?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

More storage space, from what I gather.

Ah ... and yet it doesnt impress me too much :|

[JoeFu]

More space= more of our money.


Also, Dante isn't going to be the main character of DMC4, instead it's his bro, Virgil in the Neo Angelo form.

Stolen from a different site

http://www.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/09/dmc4ps3fami.jpg

In a recent issue of Famitsu, loads of info about the upcoming Devil May Cry 4
for the PLAYSTATION 3 have surfaced. Kotakuite AKBlade13 was kind
enough not only to summarize some of the article, but all, yes all, of
it. What a prince. Here are the highlights:

* Dante has been played out, so the new hero is his twin brother, Nero Angelo
* The game should be playable at TGS.
* It isn't known whether Dante will be playable
* The classic DMC moves have been retained, but there is speculation that TGS will unveil new features.
* The game is apparently taping the PS3's power for its visuals.


Hit the jump for AKBlade13's full rundown. Brian Ashcraft

Thus, the true hero of the play is this time Nero Angelo (Capcom wants
to change indeed principal character but Dante was already
overexploited in the precedents opus), the twin brother of Dante will
be equipped with an arm very powerful right allowing him to start
demoniaques actions with Devil Bringer. Dante will be also present but
we do not know yet if it will be really playable. The events of Devil May Cry 4 take place chronologically between Devil May Cry 1 and Devil May Cry 2,
the mechanisms of gameplay (the system of the combos, etc) will be very
similar to the preceding shutters of the series, one hopes all the same
that the function of detection of movements of the lever PlayStation 3
will be used, in particular at the time of the engagements. The very
good news is that Devil May Cry 4 should be playable at the
time of Tokyo Game Show 2006 which will take place in a few weeks, in
any case scenes of the play in real time will be presented. Capcom
would hold even some surprises for us.

Speaking with the magazine, director Hideaki Itsuno stated that
the change was made in part to put fans and newcomers on equal ground
with the game. One of the worries was that if the game looks too much
like a sequel, new players will have a hard time of playing.

The classic Devil May Cry hero will appear in the game as a
"mysterious person." From Nero's perspective, Dante is an enemy who
appears out of nowhere and kills his allies. Chronologically, the Dante
that appears in this game comes after part 1 but before part 2 (the
series chronology is 3, 1, 4, 2).

Kobayashi wouldn't state for sure if Dante will be playable (Famitsu
shows some shots of Dante shooting his gun, but these may just be event
scenes), but Nero seems to have enough tricks that you won't want to go
back to the classic hero. Nero has access to a new array of attacks
using his "Devil Right Hand." Nero's right hand can be used to pull
distant enemies in and send enemies that are close by flying away.

All the classic Devil May Cry moves are also planned for the game.
Nero can wield two guns and has access to a variety of swords,
including the powerful Red Queen. The combo system is based on that of
part 3, Itsuno revealed to the magazine, noting that Capcom has been
making adjustments by listening to user feedback. There are a few
mysterious new systems, including one where your sword has an element
of "acceleration" about it, but details will have to wait until a
certain late-September game show.

Devil May Cry is also about stylish drama sequences between the
action, and Itsuno and crew seem to have this covered as well. Like part 3, DMC4
will have its event scenes directed by movie director Yuji Shimomura.
The story volume will be greater than that of the previous games,
Itsuno noted to the magazine.

Itsuno also shared some details on how the game is tapping the power
of the PS3. The visuals attempt to deliver a satisfying feel of being
in the air. Nero's right arm actions are, according to Itsuno,
something that could not be done on current machines.

[Calpis]

Im just curious. Whats so special about Blu-Ray technology?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

More storage space, from what I gather.

Ah ... and yet it doesnt impress me too much :|I know what you mean. I still think it's too early for a format change so Blu Ray and HD-DVD need to wait a little while.

[Razumen]

Im just curious. Whats so special about Blu-Ray technology?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

More storage space, from what I gather.

Ah ... and yet it doesnt impress me too much :|I know what you mean. I still think it's too early for a format change so Blu Ray and HD-DVD need to wait a little while.

A Blu-Ray disc that can store up to 100GB is nothing to scoff at, and many developers have voiced concerns about cramming all the extra data needed for HD game content into the standard 8.9GB DL DVDs, So I don't think it's too early for a new, bigger format. Had Sony and MS not benn pushing HD gaming so much then yes, HD DVD and Blu-Ray would not be necessary at all this coming generation.

In my mind Sony has dropped the ball in a lot more areas than deciding to include Blu-Ray into the PS3.

[G_D]

^Blu-ray discs, in practice, will NEVER be 100GB. I remember years ago when it was touted that DVD's could store up to 18GB...I have NEVER seen a double-sided DVD. For one thing, it is every bit as inconvenient as having two discs. You still have to take it out to read both sides.

[Mr.Roboto]

Big whoop-dee-fuck.

It's not like with all this tons of additional space were going to see longer movies and games.

[Bahamut]

Im just curious. Whats so special about Blu-Ray technology?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

More storage space, from what I gather.

Ah ... and yet it doesnt impress me too much :|I know what you mean. I still think it's too early for a format change so Blu Ray and HD-DVD need to wait a little while.

A Blu-Ray disc that can store up to 100GB is nothing to scoff at, and many developers have voiced concerns about cramming all the extra data needed for HD game content into the standard 8.9GB DL DVDs, So I don't think it's too early for a new, bigger format. Had Sony and MS not benn pushing HD gaming so much then yes, HD DVD and Blu-Ray would not be necessary at all this coming generation.

I rather wait for HVD to get cheap than adopt blu-ray, much less a Sony-controlled format.

[Evilhead]

Big whoop-dee-fuck.

It's not like with all this tons of additional space were going to see longer movies and games.

Storage space and game lentgh are completely unrelated. Dragon Quest for NES is like 200k and it's a 60 hour game. With added storage space we can watch HD movies, store ultra hi-res textures, large soundtracks, etc. The 9gig DVDs are already limiting developers for games like Grand Theft Auto. Big games, detailed worlds just need a lot of space, especially when the next generation of games come out.

[KWarp]

Big whoop-dee-fuck.

It's not like with all this tons of additional space were going to see longer movies and games.

Storage space and game lentgh are completely unrelated. Dragon Quest for NES is like 200k and it's a 60 hour game. With added storage space we can watch HD movies, store ultra hi-res textures, large soundtracks, etc. The 9gig DVDs are already limiting developers for games like Grand Theft Auto. Big games, detailed worlds just need a lot of space, especially when the next generation of games come out.
So I'm guessing a game like GTA can't be on multiple discs by design. That will certainly be a big issue for GTA 360 then. Is procedural generation a potential solution?

[watkinzez]

Big whoop-dee-fuck.

It's not like with all this tons of additional space were going to see longer movies and games.

Storage space and game lentgh are completely unrelated. Dragon Quest for NES is like 200k and it's a 60 hour game. With added storage space we can watch HD movies, store ultra hi-res textures, large soundtracks, etc. The 9gig DVDs are already limiting developers for games like Grand Theft Auto. Big games, detailed worlds just need a lot of space, especially when the next generation of games come out.
So I'm guessing a game like GTA can't be on multiple discs by design. That will certainly be a big issue for GTA 360 then. Is procedural generation a potential solution?

Nah, it could work on two discs- the map is mutually stored, with the earlier missions on disc one. Change discs when some sort of major plot point occurs, and new missions are created. Think ToS.

[Razumen]

^Blu-ray discs, in practice, will NEVER be 100GB. I remember years ago when it was touted that DVD's could store up to 18GB...I have NEVER seen a double-sided DVD. For one thing, it is every bit as inconvenient as having two discs. You still have to take it out to read both sides.

That's nice, but I'm not talking about double sided discs, the BR disc I refered to had a single side with six layers, totalling up to 200GB - no flipping required. Yes, it's a prototype and there are only 50GB disc available at the moment, but that doesn't rule out anything.

I don't really have much of a preference between Bluray or HD DVDs, in fact I'm kind of leaning more toward HD DVDs at the moment, for various reasons. Both however are capable of some pretty significant data storage gains over regular dvds (although Blu-Rays seem have the upper hand here).

What I'm saying is that with the move from designing games for SD to HD, the standard DVD format is really going to need to be replaced if we truly want games to take advantages of what HD offers. Sony might end up with an advantage in this regard, while developers for the 360 may have to find some new ways to create better looking games, while still storing it on the same discs they used for the XBox.

[SilverStar]

I rather wait for HVD to get cheap than adopt blu-ray, much less a Sony-controlled format.Think of it this way: Sony has never once championed a widescale successful media format. They lost VHS/Betamax, they were forced to adopt a hybrid format for the DVD era(Sony's format was MMCD, which had 5GB storage per layer), their digital audio format and players bombed, in favor of the iPod and standard MP3 players, and the UMD is a DOA format, for multimedia delivery.

Why it is that a company with that many outright failed format attempts still gets people to support them like they've never done anything wrong, I won't understand.

And in the case of Betamax and BD-ROM, Sony is being exclusive with the licenses. It will be an outright breach of the license agreement to see any sort of hybrid device that can support HD-DVD and BD-ROM. Add in the production costs of the media and how steep the license fees are, per disc sold, and Sony is trying to strange it's own formats, time and time again, by making them too expensive to generate a real profit for any but the highest volume sellers. HD-DVD, on the other hand, barely costs more than a DVD to produce, and has license fees far lower, so it's a viable possibility for a wider range of companies.

That, and come 2008, you won't be able to watch BD-ROM based movies, unless you have an HDTV with an encrypted HDMI connection, because of the copy protection models used.

[Mr.Roboto]

So the PS3 boxart just came out..Boy.They fucked up again.Fugly. (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/731/731787p1.html)

Jesus.The black border and the blue plastic are such fucking eyesores.

[Bobwillis]

Looks like the X-Men Movie Logo font. I agree the logo sucks. It's pretty gaudy.

[Stealthshark]

Who buys the games for the boxart anyway? I mean, come on, look at the 1st Mega Man game. :lol:

[M*ntoR]

I honestly wish people wouldn't buy the PS3, if this system does well, it could lead to a trend in companies what would mean I couldn't buy any new systems...

[sephfire]

Sony definitely hasn't earned a win for this console war. I just want them to sell enough units to avoid tanking completely. With luck, they'll get their shit together for the following generation once they've had a good scare.

[M*ntoR]

I certainly hope you're right.

[watkinzez]

The blue box art is a mockup..

[progressive]

Is every game going to have Spiderman in it somewhere?

[mDuo13]

Is every game going to have Spiderman in it somewhere?
No, just a Spiderman font.

[Mairuzu]

Can you guys in america preorder consoles yet?
I already preordered 2 of them quite a while back, going to sell both of them. Hopefully make a bit of money =)

[Bahamut]

Most places aren't taking any preorders here after the news that there would likely be a shortage.

[Stealthshark]

Thought I'd buck the trend and post some optimistic news about the PS3 for a change.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153547

A smart move on Sony's part IMO. This round of the console wars just keeps getting more and more interesting.

[Bahamut]

Whoa, that is hot indeed. +1 Sony (for a change)

[SilverStar]

Hey, that's pretty good news. It'll be interesting, should the PS3 actually recover. And, of course, it'll mean MS will try to enhance the Live experience to match or exceed the Xfire presentation.

[Ero Elohim]

Not to bash on the PS3, but I figured I'd throw this here.

I was just up at my local EB, trying to get a copy of Megaman ZX (and failing), when a lady walked in with her son. They walked up to the counter and talked about a return or something, which my friend working there gladly provided. Her son then asked, kinda offhand, if EB knew when the PS3 was releasing. When he got the reply ("November 17th. Were you interested in reserving one? Price is scheduled to be $599."), it was almost tangible how much that hit everyone standing near the counter. I believe the mother's exact words were "You have got to be kidding me?!"

Related to the story, I'm not a user of Xfire, so I don't know how good this is. It's clear that Sony needed a leg up in this area, so this'll make things interesting. I wonder if they have a promotional thing going with Xfire's PC service or if the services will connect in anyway. It'd be cool if they allowed people to communicate with PC users via the PS3.

[SilverStar]

Oh, well damn. Look at the updates to the story.

UPDATE II: Sony Computer Entertainment America responded to the below report with the following statement: "We can confirm that Sony Online Entertainment is in talks with Viacom and Xfire for a single, specific PS3 game. However, there are no announcements at this time regarding any discussions between SCEA, Viacom and Xfire."

Looks like Xfire is only gonna see the light of day in a single game. So much for the hopes of having a single, unified online gaming service. Looks like it's going to be little more than the mishmash seen on the PS2, at this point.

[Stealthshark]

Odd. Perhaps Sony is using Dark Kingdom as a testing ground for the service, with plans to incorporate it more extensively in the future if it succeeds. If this is the case, then Playstation owners can at least look forward to the possibility of a comprehensive online plan from Sony in the not-too-distant future.

Now if only we knew exactly how Nintendo was going to handle their online services...

[CE]

Now if only we knew exactly how Nintendo was going to handle their online services...

It's probably gonna be that awkward mess of friend codes and tough times setting up matches. Which really takes away from the online.

On a side note, Sony using XFire is a boost to them.

[The Mutericator]

Here (http://articles.gaminghorizon.com/media/1158035888.88.html)is something interesting for anyone paying any attention to the PS3.

[Stealthshark]

Here (http://articles.gaminghorizon.com/media/1158035888.88.html)is something interesting for anyone paying any attention to the PS3.
I disagree with their assertion that all launch games suck. Super Mario World, Mario 64, and Halo come to mind off the top of my head.

Also, since when are Pepsi and Coke considered energy drinks? :whatevaa:

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, that article kind of sucked. I didn't read it all, but it was mostly like :


Some people say THIS bad thing about the PS3, but this good thing will happen! Then again and again.

[Bigfoot]

So, who wants to pre-order a PS3?

http://www.audiocubes.com/product/Sony_PS3_Play_Station_3_20GB_Base_Model.html?ref=2 59&affiliate_banner_id=5 ($699)
http://www.audiocubes.com/product/Sony_PS3_Play_Station_3_60GB_Premium_Model.html?re f=259&affiliate_banner_id=5 ($999)

[Sag Ee Mana]

Found with EBay a better offer, man :wink:

Lol (http://cgi.befr.ebay.be/playstation-3-new-60GB_W0QQitemZ260031524411QQihZ016QQcategoryZ11282 6QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

In Belgium :

589€ Premium, no shipping costs, 6 availables, and shipping starts in October. I'd like to see that. But I don't want to pay :lol:

[SilverStar]

*drags thread from bottom of page 2*

Hey, look! Sony's dropping the price of the El Cheap-o PS3 in Japan.. and adding more stuff to it.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6158155.html?tag=latestnews;title;4

So, the only difference in that massive $200 price span between versions, is that you get an extra 40GB drive space and a memory card reader?

...-why- is Sony releasing 2 different models of the PS3, now? Seems to me it'd be cheaper for production, and a much better move if they just made a single model with all the features, for ~$450. At this point, there's really no valid reason to buy the higher end model, since you could just grab an external HDD for ~$80 with 200GB storage, and an external multi card reader, to hook up through the USB.

[Evilhead]

*drags thread from bottom of page 2*

Hey, look! Sony's dropping the price of the El Cheap-o PS3 in Japan.. and adding more stuff to it.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6158155.html?tag=latestnews;title;4

So, the only difference in that massive $200 price span between versions, is that you get an extra 40GB drive space and a memory card reader?

...-why- is Sony releasing 2 different models of the PS3, now? Seems to me it'd be cheaper for production, and a much better move if they just made a single model with all the features, for ~$450. At this point, there's really no valid reason to buy the higher end model, since you could just grab an external HDD for ~$80 with 200GB storage, and an external multi card reader, to hook up through the USB.

Doesn't the high end PS3 have HD connections and other ports that the regular version doesnt? If it's just a difference in HD space and the card reader I might go for the cheap version.

[JoeFu]

They added the HDMI thingy on the cheapo version too, so you win Evilhead, no need for a 900 dollar system.

White Knight story looks really cool. I've always wanted a game where you can transform, but was the video realtime? It just looked like a trailer with a thing at the bottem... The video just didn't really look like a battle, but a scene, but that's just me.


http://anon.psjp.speedera.net/anon.psjp/tgs06/high/h_whiteknight.wmv

Link to said White Knight Story video.

[Evilhead]

They added the HDMI thingy on the cheapo version too, so you win Evilhead, no need for a 900 dollar system.

Awesome. I'll pick up a Japanese PS3 at launch if I can. I think I can deal with less hard drive space and spend the extra cash on games.

[Baleshadow]

I'll likely get a PS3 around this time next year, when some more interesting games become available. As it is, I don't think I could afford both this and a Wii without some major sacrifices. I can wait.

And really, I don't think it would enjoyable divvying up my time between two new consoles. But damn, does MGS4 look enticing.

[Bahamut]

They added the HDMI thingy on the cheapo version too, so you win Evilhead, no need for a 900 dollar system.

Awesome. I'll pick up a Japanese PS3 at launch if I can. I think I can deal with less hard drive space and spend the extra cash on games.

Yeah, me too. Hearing that, I think I might actually buy a PS3 before an XBox 360 if that price change comes over to the US. $400 for a PS3, or even $430, would be really worth it.

[JoeFu]

The price drop is Japan only and they have confirmed that it is Japan only. We are getting screwed over here.

Also demos are to cost $1 each...

I'll go find the sources and add them in later.

http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=37312&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

[Bahamut]

Oh...damn Sony. I guess that'll mean no PS3 purchase for 2 years then...

[Penfold]

Btw, the PS3 is not region-encoded right? I recall hearing this some time ago, just wanted to make sure I remember correctly.

[The Author]

Btw, the PS3 is not region-encoded right? I recall hearing this some time ago, just wanted to make sure I remember correctly.

Region encoding is still iffy this gen...

[JoeFu]

Btw, the PS3 is not region-encoded right? I recall hearing this some time ago, just wanted to make sure I remember correctly.

Importing would jack the price up anyways, so it would cost about the same.

[SilverStar]

They added the HDMI thingy on the cheapo version too, so you win Evilhead, no need for a 900 dollar system.

Awesome. I'll pick up a Japanese PS3 at launch if I can. I think I can deal with less hard drive space and spend the extra cash on games.

Yeah, me too. Hearing that, I think I might actually buy a PS3 before an XBox 360 if that price change comes over to the US. $400 for a PS3, or even $430, would be really worth it.

If they made it $450CAD, then the system would be worth it. Perhaps even more than an X360. But not at $499USD and up, to come with nothing but a handful of exclusives, and Sony being the only ones showing absolute faith in their system. 100 games are being developed internally now.. sheesh.

[Martin Penwald]

So I played Ridge Racer 7 today. Looks really neat, but it's not a system seller IMO. It seems that PS3 will be a system that you really do not need to buy immediately after it will be released.

[SilverStar]

Problem is, if you don't buy it when it's newly released, you won't get the full use of it, for very long. When Sony locks out BluRay videos to non-HDMI outputs by 2009, there goes the primary purpose of the system, aside from the games themselves.

Unless you fork out for a whole new TV set with HDMI inputs, that big, bad, $500-600 BluRay player that you think is cheap now, becomes useless.

[Martin Penwald]

BluRay (as well as HD DVD) can go and suck my ass. I'm not going to buy all my movies AGAIN.

[Bahamut]

BluRay (as well as HD DVD) can go and suck my ass. I'm not going to buy all my movies AGAIN.

It's not like you HAVE to buy them again if you have them on DVD already - they'll still play DVDs.

[Bigfoot]

I just hate how there's a format war now. It's so stupid.

[Kitsuta]

I just hate how there's a format war now. It's so stupid.

On principle I hate it, but practically I don't care. I probably won't be getting any kind of new TV until around 2009, and even that's only going to happen if something gets thrown at our current one. I will not likely have HD for a very, very long time. There just isn't enough support for it, especially in terms of TV programming, where you have to pay a major premium to get the HD channels.

There's no tangible reason to get a high-def player/movie - faster and bigger is great, but it's nothing compared to what the advantages were of switching from VHS to DVD.

[linkspast]

So have any games using the completely original tilt dector been announced?

[sephfire]

There's Warhawk. And I think Lair has shown some tilt functionality (or maybe White Knight, I forget which). I'm sure we'll be seeing more as we get closer to launch.

[KakTheInfected]

Lair has it. Looks pretty interesting.

[Bobwillis]

I'll wait till killzone 2 comes out.

[Baleshadow]

I just saw the trailer for White Knight Story. I have to say I'm impressed. Of course, it's by Level 5, which is one of my favorite developers.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Not sure you guys watched this yet, but 1up covered TGS for PS3 and 360:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153999

And though the pricerange of the games are out of my reach, I think the consoles' situations are much better than all the negative hype surrounding them (especially for the PS3) are.

[Sir_NutS]

In more recent news, seems like sony is making a shift with his ps3 plans, and will be cutting the price to around 400 US$. This sounds like great news to us who are eager to get our hands on a ps3 but find it too damn expensive, however, with this shift in plans also comes a compensation for the low cost of the hardware, and sony will be charging more royalty to developers to make up for the money lost with the hardware, suposeddly raising prices to around 70-90US$.

As many people are thinking now, is this a step back to neo geo era? This will only hurt the consumer in the long way, because after a few games you will be feeling the weight of those 100$ you saved on your console.

Anyways, for details on the matter go here:

http://blogs.ign.com/Gerry-IGN/

And here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/25/japanese-ps3-games-to-cost-up-to-9-800-85-usd/

[Penfold]

In more recent news, seems like sony is making a shift with his ps3 plans, and will be cutting the price to around 400 US$. This sounds like great news to us who are eager to get our hands on a ps3 but find it too damn expensive, however, with this shift in plans also comes a compensation for the low cost of the hardware, and sony will be charging more royalty to developers to make up for the money lost with the hardware, suposeddly raising prices to around 70-90US$.

As many people are thinking now, is this a step back to neo geo era? This will only hurt the consumer in the long way, because after a few games you will be feeling the weight of those 100$ you saved on your console.

Anyways, for details on the matter go here:

http://blogs.ign.com/Gerry-IGN/

And here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/25/japanese-ps3-games-to-cost-up-to-9-800-85-usd/

Price drop just on the 20gb model though right? Have they said anything about price drops on the higher-end model?

[Sir_NutS]

In more recent news, seems like sony is making a shift with his ps3 plans, and will be cutting the price to around 400 US$. This sounds like great news to us who are eager to get our hands on a ps3 but find it too damn expensive, however, with this shift in plans also comes a compensation for the low cost of the hardware, and sony will be charging more royalty to developers to make up for the money lost with the hardware, suposeddly raising prices to around 70-90US$.

As many people are thinking now, is this a step back to neo geo era? This will only hurt the consumer in the long way, because after a few games you will be feeling the weight of those 100$ you saved on your console.

Anyways, for details on the matter go here:

http://blogs.ign.com/Gerry-IGN/

And here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/25/japanese-ps3-games-to-cost-up-to-9-800-85-usd/

Price drop just on the 20gb model though right? Have they said anything about price drops on the higher-end model?

No news on that, it seems like this new plan includes a more traditional approach to marketing, and that is, no multiple SKUs. That's why they included hdmi support with the 20 gb version of the console, to make it more complete. The expensive one will be probably hard to find now, and will not be marketed a lot by sony, their focus will be on making the cheap version the "main" version now.

[Bahamut]

In more recent news, seems like sony is making a shift with his ps3 plans, and will be cutting the price to around 400 US$. This sounds like great news to us who are eager to get our hands on a ps3 but find it too damn expensive, however, with this shift in plans also comes a compensation for the low cost of the hardware, and sony will be charging more royalty to developers to make up for the money lost with the hardware, suposeddly raising prices to around 70-90US$.

As many people are thinking now, is this a step back to neo geo era? This will only hurt the consumer in the long way, because after a few games you will be feeling the weight of those 100$ you saved on your console.

Anyways, for details on the matter go here:

http://blogs.ign.com/Gerry-IGN/

And here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/25/japanese-ps3-games-to-cost-up-to-9-800-85-usd/

The price drop is only for Japan. Kutaragi (who should shut his mouth more often) said that the U. S. and Europe prices will remain the same, claiming that the consumers have come to gripes with the price.

[Sir_NutS]

In more recent news, seems like sony is making a shift with his ps3 plans, and will be cutting the price to around 400 US$. This sounds like great news to us who are eager to get our hands on a ps3 but find it too damn expensive, however, with this shift in plans also comes a compensation for the low cost of the hardware, and sony will be charging more royalty to developers to make up for the money lost with the hardware, suposeddly raising prices to around 70-90US$.

As many people are thinking now, is this a step back to neo geo era? This will only hurt the consumer in the long way, because after a few games you will be feeling the weight of those 100$ you saved on your console.

Anyways, for details on the matter go here:

http://blogs.ign.com/Gerry-IGN/

And here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/25/japanese-ps3-games-to-cost-up-to-9-800-85-usd/

The price drop is only for Japan. Kutaragi (who should shut his mouth more often) said that the U. S. and Europe prices will remain the same, claiming that the consumers have come to gripes with the price.

It is very possible that the price change comes to the states as well, the announcement has been said in japan because of the tgs, but I'm pretty sure that japan aren't the only ones that are complaining about the price, and I'm sure the media and the users have let sony know about it. Besides, having two very different selling strategies wouldn't be very wise.

[The Author]

In more recent news, seems like sony is making a shift with his ps3 plans, and will be cutting the price to around 400 US$. This sounds like great news to us who are eager to get our hands on a ps3 but find it too damn expensive, however, with this shift in plans also comes a compensation for the low cost of the hardware, and sony will be charging more royalty to developers to make up for the money lost with the hardware, suposeddly raising prices to around 70-90US$.

As many people are thinking now, is this a step back to neo geo era? This will only hurt the consumer in the long way, because after a few games you will be feeling the weight of those 100$ you saved on your console.

Anyways, for details on the matter go here:

http://blogs.ign.com/Gerry-IGN/

And here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/25/japanese-ps3-games-to-cost-up-to-9-800-85-usd/

The price drop is only for Japan. Kutaragi (who should shut his mouth more often) said that the U. S. and Europe prices will remain the same, claiming that the consumers have come to gripes with the price.

It is very possible that the price change comes to the states as well, the announcement has been said in japan because of the tgs, but I'm pretty sure that japan aren't the only ones that are complaining about the price, and I'm sure the media and the users have let sony know about it. Besides, having two very different selling strategies wouldn't be very wise.

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[The Damned]

Sony stock drops a bit after reports (http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8KH3V2O0.htm) of the PS3 overheating and crashing at TGS. Which is to be expected, since the place was supposed to be uncomfortably hot, with no AC and the cabinets the sysetms were in had poor air circulation. Not to mention that the hardware for the PS3 is supposed to be running pretty warm to begin with, and it was on all day.

But that still doesn't prevent fanboys from all three sides taking shots at each other, does it? :roll:

[Calpis]

So does anybody else get the impression that Sony just keeps Kutaragi around as a publicity stunt? Every time he says something, people listen.

[The Author]

Sony stock drops a bit after reports (http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8KH3V2O0.htm) of the PS3 overheating and crashing at TGS. Which is to be expected, since the place was supposed to be uncomfortably hot, with no AC and the cabinets the sysetms were in had poor air circulation. Not to mention that the hardware for the PS3 is supposed to be running pretty warm to begin with, and it was on all day.

But that still doesn't prevent fanboys from all three sides taking shots at each other, does it? :roll:


Actually, it follows a trend of unreliable hardware from Sony. Investors are afraid that he benefits from the PS3 will take too long and that they risk short term loss from their actions. Sony stocks have not been doing so well lately, if I remember correctly.

Reasonable investor behaviour.

[UnforgivingEdges]

the consumers have come to gripes with the price.

Oh don't worry, I've been griping about the price for months :wink:

[Bahamut]

the consumers have come to gripes with the price.

Oh don't worry, I've been griping about the price for months :wink:

It sucks that the price of the PS3 is so high, but if anything, it shows how much consumers want it. I'm sure many really are working to save up for it.

[The Author]

the consumers have come to gripes with the price.

Oh don't worry, I've been griping about the price for months :wink:

It sucks that the price of the PS3 is so high, but if anything, it shows how much consumers want it. I'm sure many really are working to save up for it.


Until they are sold, it means nothing.

[Evilhead]

the consumers have come to gripes with the price.

Oh don't worry, I've been griping about the price for months :wink:

It sucks that the price of the PS3 is so high, but if anything, it shows how much consumers want it. I'm sure many really are working to save up for it.


Until they are sold, it means nothing.


I can't believe how short you people's memories are. Didn't we go through this like a year ago? "OMG PSP WILL BE $400 WHO THE HELL WILL BUY IT OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG" (PSP is released for $250) "Oh."

They've already announced a price drop in Japan. When has there EVER been a system that sold for less in Japan at launch than in the states? It's always more expensive over here, because the fanatics will pay anything.

The bottom line, as I said a million times when people were flipping out about the price they THOUGHT the PSP was going to retail for, is that arguing/worrying/flaming/trolling about the price of the PS3 is extremely pointless until the system is ACTUALLY released. Sure, it wil be more expensive than the Wii and the 360, but you get a lot of bang for your buck. A lot of people are willing to pay that much, some aren't. That's basically all you need to know.

[The Author]

Until they are sold, numbers mean nothing.

However, I predict there will be less PS3 sold than Wiis before the end of the year.

[JoeFu]

Until they are sold, numbers mean nothing.

However, I predict there will be less PS3 sold than Wiis before the end of the year.

Rofl, that's a bet I'm willing to make.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Well, expect the PS3 sales to skyrocket in 2007 when all the hype and buying-frenzy is built up thanks to the obviously staged shortage of units.

And there seems to be a lot of killer aps already for 2007 for the PS3. Especially with RPGs which will just about guarantee a strong showing, possibly better than the Wii sales, since the Wii really doesn't have too many killer ap titles outside the Nintendo branding and the RPGs don't have the weight of the brand that Sony has.

Atleast in Japan, the thing should sell well. Maybe in North America, it might be neck and neck with the 360 since both offer similar things with the exception of the Sony exclusives and JRPGs.

[Kitsuta]

Well, expect the PS3 sales to skyrocket in 2007 when all the hype and buying-frenzy is built up thanks to the obviously staged shortage of units.

Are you really sure about that?

I mean, it's certainly logical and possible. But if that were the case, why would they have to delay launch in Europe? Did they just want to flip Europe off or what? :P

Although I'm sure that they knew for a long time there wouldn't be a lot of units due to production costs, I don't think they staged the production errors and Blu Ray issues that caused them to reduce their expected shipment numbers and push back the launch in Europe. That's just going overboard. :?

[TheCatPhysician]

Atleast in Japan, the thing should sell well. Maybe in North America, it might be neck and neck with the 360 since both offer similar things with the exception of the Sony exclusives and JRPGs. By Sony exclusives, do you mean games exclusive to Sony, or features? If you just said "with the exception of Sony exclusive games..." I think that is kind of wierd, because both systems have exclusive games.

[Evilhead]

Atleast in Japan, the thing should sell well. Maybe in North America, it might be neck and neck with the 360 since both offer similar things with the exception of the Sony exclusives and JRPGs. By Sony exclusives, do you mean games exclusive to Sony, or features? If you just said "with the exception of Sony exclusive games..." I think that is kind of wierd, because both systems have exclusive games.

Well both have exclusives, but Sony has some real big exclusives, like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, etc. There are some Xbox exclusives I'm very interested in, but Sony has titles out there that will really sway the crowd.

[Sir_NutS]

Mass Effect looks like will be an awesome game.

[TheCatPhysician]

Atleast in Japan, the thing should sell well. Maybe in North America, it might be neck and neck with the 360 since both offer similar things with the exception of the Sony exclusives and JRPGs. By Sony exclusives, do you mean games exclusive to Sony, or features? If you just said "with the exception of Sony exclusive games..." I think that is kind of wierd, because both systems have exclusive games.

Well both have exclusives, but Sony has some real big exclusives, like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, etc. There are some Xbox exclusives I'm very interested in, but Sony has titles out there that will really sway the crowd.That's true, I know MGS4 is definitely a really big one. But still, Xbox 360 does have it's big exclusives too, especially Halo 3 and Gears of War. Also, Square said they are spreading out their games equally this generation, unlike the last where it was mostly PS2.

Anywho, I'm not trying to say which exclusives are better. I just think it was weird to not even consider the 360's, given Halo's popularity alone.

[Evilhead]

Atleast in Japan, the thing should sell well. Maybe in North America, it might be neck and neck with the 360 since both offer similar things with the exception of the Sony exclusives and JRPGs. By Sony exclusives, do you mean games exclusive to Sony, or features? If you just said "with the exception of Sony exclusive games..." I think that is kind of wierd, because both systems have exclusive games.

Well both have exclusives, but Sony has some real big exclusives, like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, etc. There are some Xbox exclusives I'm very interested in, but Sony has titles out there that will really sway the crowd.That's true, I know MGS4 is definitely a really big one. But still, Xbox 360 does have it's big exclusives too, especially Halo 3 and Gears of War. Also, Square said they are spreading out their games equally this generation, unlike the last where it was mostly PS2.

Anywho, I'm not trying to say which exclusives are better. I just think it was weird to not even consider the 360's, given Halo's popularity alone.

Yeah, I'm waiting for Halo 3 and will have a 360 by the time it comes out. But generally Halo is the only REALLY big name franchise the 360 has. Yes, there are other great exclusives, but if you made a list of exclusive game franchises that random people on the street recognise, 95% of that list will be games on Nintendo or Sony systems.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Also, the thing with Sony and Microsoft consoles is the expectation that they will have a giant wave of 3rd party titles to choose from. Nintendo's 3rd party titles weren't exactly lacking, but in comparison to its competition, the offerings were a bit slim for them since the N64 era. MS already has a few worthy games that would take a high end computer to even run them on a PC. And some versions like Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter is supposedly way better on the 360. That, and the tightnit Xbox Live functionality is one of the major sellingpoints of the console. The competition is trying to copy its model, but it should take them a while (like a year) to iron out the bugs and have readily online features. Then again, the 360 was made for online functionality (minus browser). Others just seems to tack it on with the downloadable library of games. But the PS3's single player games are what sells consoles anyway.

[TheCatPhysician]

Yeah, I mostly agree. Except about Sony and Nintendo tacking online functionality on with a downloadable library, I would have to disagree on that with the Wii. The Wii seems to be pretty focused on online connectivity. The most, I'd say. Although, this is not just playing multiplayer games online, this is general online functionality. I mean, the whole Wii Channels thing; every channel uses internet, and only a few of the given channels don't require internet to be used. Plus new channels are created and distributed to Wiis through the internet. Plus the whole WiiConnect24 thing, sending DS game demos, Mii Parades, emailing photos, web browser, virtual console (they said they will sell new games on VC too), message boards, etc. As for the actual multiplayer online functionality, which is probably what you were specifically referring to being X360's selling point, Nintendo hasn't really even released any details on that at all, but given the fact that the Wii is pretty much centered around online, I would say it's safe to assume they are at least putting a bit more focus onto it than, say, the DS's Wifi internet service. But even without considering multiplayer online, one of the Wii's selling points is that it is basically internet on your TV. They seem to like to talk about being able to do things like browse the internet, send emails and photos to family members, etc. at the comfort of your couch or recliner with a simple remote, with this console that is always online, and always able to come out of sleep mode at the press of a button, just like turning on your TV.

Then again, that's only a selling point assuming Nintendo will be able to tap into this market of non/casual gamers, so we'll just have to wait and see. Anyways, I'm sure every console will do well enough, so I don't even know why I'm worrying about which one will do the best or whatever. I guess speculating on how well the consoles will sell is about all we can do while waiting for them to finally be released.

[Evilhead]

Why the hell would you want to browse the internet on your TV? Without a keyboard no less. The only think I could think of is watching flash movies on your TV, but you can do that easily with a video out cable from your laptop.

XboxLive is good because it focuses on games. TONS of Xbox games are ready for online play. Nintendo is just throwing all kinds of gimmicky shit in there to make it seem like you are getting a lot for your money. But honestly, how many times after the first week you have your Wii will you use it to check the weather or email photos? Unless you have no computer access (scratch EVERY PERSON posting here) TV intarweb is useless. Get some decent multiplayer games for the Wii and I'd be interested. But so far there is what? Wii Sports? How can that possibly compare to the dozens of FPS games, MMORPGs, fighting games, and all other kinds of games with large userbases on XboxLive?

[CE]

the 360 has mmo's? huh... makes sense... I wonder why I never know about that...

[linkspast]

the 360 has mmo's? huh... makes sense... I wonder why I never know about that...

FF11


Edit: In the end it is games and nothing more, just the games, it is a videoGAME. who ever brings the biggest and best games to the table is going to win, Its the games that sell the system not the system that sells the games. The only reason I would/will get a pse s for MGS4 Final Fanasty, Killzone2 Gran Trusimo, Tekken. Its all about the games, Yes Xbox360 has some games id like toohuman, gears of war and halo3 but in the end its just a prefrence, of which games are "better"

[Bigfoot]

This kiosk is fucking huge.


http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7743/sonykioskwt3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[ET]

I heard that those kiosks are not even demos, they are just playing looped PS3 videos. I guess it's still nice, better have some sort of presence in the retail front.

[Bigfoot]

I heard that those kiosks are not even demos, they are just playing looped PS3 videos. I guess it's still nice, better have some sort of presence in the retail front.


Good point. I don't see any controllers.

[Bobwillis]

PS3 is getting Oblivion. The deal keeps looking better >_>

[CE]

PS3 is getting Oblivion. The deal keeps looking better >_>

The same reason I don't want the 360's Oblivion also stands here. No mods. D:

[JoeFu]

PS3 is getting Oblivion. The deal keeps looking better >_>

The same reason I don't want the 360's Oblivion also stands here. No mods. D:

Yup, if I was to get Oblivion, I would get the PC version just because people will be adding new things to the game.

[Zutnunzor]

Not to mention PS3 is getting Ninja gaiden too. :D

[I-n-j-i-n]

Yeah, I mostly agree. Except about Sony and Nintendo tacking online functionality on with a downloadable library, I would have to disagree on that with the Wii. The Wii seems to be pretty focused on online connectivity. The most, I'd say. Although, this is not just playing multiplayer games online, this is general online functionality. I mean, the whole Wii Channels thing; every channel uses internet, and only a few of the given channels don't require internet to be used. Plus new channels are created and distributed to Wiis through the internet. Plus the whole WiiConnect24 thing, sending DS game demos, Mii Parades, emailing photos, web browser, virtual console (they said they will sell new games on VC too), message boards, etc. As for the actual multiplayer online functionality, which is probably what you were specifically referring to being X360's selling point, Nintendo hasn't really even released any details on that at all, but given the fact that the Wii is pretty much centered around online, I would say it's safe to assume they are at least putting a bit more focus onto it than, say, the DS's Wifi internet service. But even without considering multiplayer online, one of the Wii's selling points is that it is basically internet on your TV. They seem to like to talk about being able to do things like browse the internet, send emails and photos to family members, etc. at the comfort of your couch or recliner with a simple remote, with this console that is always online, and always able to come out of sleep mode at the press of a button, just like turning on your TV.

Then again, that's only a selling point assuming Nintendo will be able to tap into this market of non/casual gamers, so we'll just have to wait and see. Anyways, I'm sure every console will do well enough, so I don't even know why I'm worrying about which one will do the best or whatever. I guess speculating on how well the consoles will sell is about all we can do while waiting for them to finally be released.

I agree with a lot of the points, but you'd be dreaming if Nintendo can do all that within 2006. A lot of the online functionality is slated for 2007, and I don't expect a Japanese game company to leap into the online world as well as American game companies (most of them savvy with the PC online gaming experience) were with the Xbox.

Another thing is that the Wii is investing mostly on the new controller and it's obvious that's where most of their selling mantra goes towards. The online stuff sounds good, but I wonder if many Nintendo games will go online. I really doubt that something like Mario or Zelda can or even needs to go online for any reason. While a lot of American styled games with 3rd/1st person action, MMORPGs and strict 2D styled games seem tailor made to be online playable for the 360. I think it'll take a bit while for the Wii games to get comfortable with the online aspect. It took PS2 about three years and Xbox Live about two years until they got into a groove.

[TheCatPhysician]

Why the hell would you want to browse the internet on your TV? Without a keyboard no less. The only think I could think of is watching flash movies on your TV, but you can do that easily with a video out cable from your laptop.

XboxLive is good because it focuses on games. TONS of Xbox games are ready for online play. Nintendo is just throwing all kinds of gimmicky shit in there to make it seem like you are getting a lot for your money. But honestly, how many times after the first week you have your Wii will you use it to check the weather or email photos? Unless you have no computer access (scratch EVERY PERSON posting here) TV intarweb is useless. Get some decent multiplayer games for the Wii and I'd be interested. But so far there is what? Wii Sports? How can that possibly compare to the dozens of FPS games, MMORPGs, fighting games, and all other kinds of games with large userbases on XboxLive?

A lot of good points, but I think we were talking about selling points. I wont be constantly using every last Wii channel, like weather and everything. But consider this: just today someone I know was asking me to let him borrow my laptop. His desktop is all screwed up and slow, and he can't afford a new computer, and all he needs one for is browsing the web. After thinking about it for a bit, I realized that the Wii would actually be a good thing for someone in his situation, because it's way cheaper than a computer, it's much less susceptible to viruses and stuff, and it's just much more simple and stable. Plus it's more convenient in some aspects, because it's just sitting down and turning on your TV to browse the web. No boot up time. It is definetely different than browsing the web on a PC though, and sure not everyone is going to like it. There are obviously advantages to using a PC for web to heavy users. But it's a pretty good deal, it's a unique way to browse the web/email/photos, and it's more convenient for casual use.

Oh, and I already have a USB keyboard. I don't know what you were getting at there, keyboards don't cost that much. I'll probably use my Wii for internet browsing every once in a while if I just need to do something quick, it's a bit more convenient than turning on your computer just to check something really fast.

[Evilhead]

Why the hell would you want to browse the internet on your TV? Without a keyboard no less. The only think I could think of is watching flash movies on your TV, but you can do that easily with a video out cable from your laptop.

XboxLive is good because it focuses on games. TONS of Xbox games are ready for online play. Nintendo is just throwing all kinds of gimmicky shit in there to make it seem like you are getting a lot for your money. But honestly, how many times after the first week you have your Wii will you use it to check the weather or email photos? Unless you have no computer access (scratch EVERY PERSON posting here) TV intarweb is useless. Get some decent multiplayer games for the Wii and I'd be interested. But so far there is what? Wii Sports? How can that possibly compare to the dozens of FPS games, MMORPGs, fighting games, and all other kinds of games with large userbases on XboxLive?

A lot of good points, but I think we were talking about selling points. I wont be constantly using every last Wii channel, like weather and everything. But consider this: just today someone I know was asking me to let him borrow my laptop. His desktop is all screwed up and slow, and he can't afford a new computer, and all he needs one for is browsing the web. After thinking about it for a bit, I realized that the Wii would actually be a good thing for someone in his situation, because it's way cheaper than a computer, it's much less susceptible to viruses and stuff, and it's just much more simple and stable. Plus it's more convenient in some aspects, because it's just sitting down and turning on your TV to browse the web. No boot up time. It is definetely different than browsing the web on a PC though, and sure not everyone is going to like it. There are obviously advantages to using a PC for web to heavy users. But it's a pretty good deal, it's a unique way to browse the web/email/photos, and it's more convenient for casual use.

Oh, and I already have a USB keyboard. I don't know what you were getting at there, keyboards don't cost that much. I'll probably use my Wii for internet browsing every once in a while if I just need to do something quick, it's a bit more convenient than turning on your computer just to check something really fast.

Well, let me ask you this, have you ever browsed the web on your TV? I have, and it's painful. I have s-video out on my laptop, and occasionally I use it to watch downloaded video files on my TV when I have people over (it's easier for a group to watch a big TV than crowd around a laptop). Works great for movies, but most text is near unreadable on a TV screen. The resolution is just too crappy. Unless you have a nice hi-def LCD display or plasma screen as your TV, you'll get a headache in minutes. Remember WebTV? Remember how it crashed and burned? I'm not saying the internet on the Wii will be completely useless, but for anyone with a PC there's no way you'd use the Wii as a web browser aside from the "cool I'm internetting on my TV!!" factor. And for those people without a computer it might be an alternative, but it's definitely not ideal.

Also, why do you turn your computer off during the day? Just leave it on and you don't have to worry about booting it up all the time. Even then, my laptop boots up Windows in about 15 or 20 seconds, so it's not really a problem.

[JoeFu]

Evilhead, have you seen the browser for the Wii? It looks great, Opera makes stuff like that for low res things.

http://wii.com/en_US/movies/internetchannel/

[Evilhead]

Evilhead, have you seen the browser for the Wii? It looks great, Opera makes stuff like that for low res things.

http://wii.com/en_US/movies/internetchannel/

Notice they are running it on a LCD display. If this is the case, it would work great. For instance, at my parent's house, they have LCD displays and plasma screens everywhere. It would be perfect. But if you've got a standard tube TV, I just don't see the point. It will look crappy, and although zooming in on the text seems like it will make it readable, you'll be zooming all over the place. It's neat, but I see it as more of a gimmick than anything. Not a system seller by any means.

Now browsing the web on your DS or PSP anywhere you can get a wireless connection? THAT is cool.

[Zutnunzor]

Its great and all... internet on the tv, but ya know, I remember doing it with the dreamcast... Its nothing new... and like Evilhead said, it can be a pain in the ass to use, Even with your nifty controller.

[JoeFu]

Anyways, I just think of it as a nice bonus, who said it was a system seller?

[The Author]

Evilhead, have you seen the browser for the Wii? It looks great, Opera makes stuff like that for low res things.

http://wii.com/en_US/movies/internetchannel/

Notice they are running it on a LCD display. If this is the case, it would work great. For instance, at my parent's house, they have LCD displays and plasma screens everywhere. It would be perfect. But if you've got a standard tube TV, I just don't see the point. It will look crappy, and although zooming in on the text seems like it will make it readable, you'll be zooming all over the place. It's neat, but I see it as more of a gimmick than anything. Not a system seller by any means.

Now browsing the web on your DS or PSP anywhere you can get a wireless connection? THAT is cool.


...


Tube displays are higher quality than LCD and Plasma. They just can't be as big without taking half the space in one room.

Throw in an HD able connection on a CTR TV and you will have better quality image than on a LCD and on a plasma...

[Bahamut]

Why the hell is there Wii talk here. Let's get some more PS3 love here?

[Arek the Absolute]

There is actually ps3 love?

[Gollgagh]

/me wants a PS3

[The Author]

Hey, I want one as well.

I won't be buying it unless my finances improve greatly.

Gas in my car is more important than a PS3.

[The Damned]

I would also consider getting one, but the cost right now is a little high. Not to mention that I don't have the time or interest to play as much as I used to.

Most of my interest in games is very specific right now, limited to maybe four or so games. But from those four games, I get a lot of enjoyment from them.

With the cost of the PS3, I honestly can not validate spending that much money on a system I might end up hardly playing at all. Unless I find several games that capture and maintain my interest in them, it's just not cost effective. I always buy stuff based upon how much use (and fun) I will get out of it compared to how much it will cost me. My Gameboy Advance worked out extremely well in my favor, but my Gamecube... not so much. I think that with the few games I got for it, combined with the amount I played them... I probably broke even, maybe a little in my favor. Unless the PS3 can match my GBA in that sense, I don't think I will get one anytime soon. Hell, even with PS2 being so cheap now, I still can't find anything on it that I want. And the PSP only has a few games I would like, but again, the cost is still pretty high just for two games I may end up never really playing much.

And since I don't watch a lot of movies, using it as a DVD player (Blu-Ray or otherwise) isn't a big selling point for me. What few movies I do watch, I just use my computer for.

Maybe in a few years, when the library of games is bigger and more varied... I don't know...

[Evilhead]

I was going to wait but I'm happy about the price cuts. $400 is still a lot, but considering the launch prices of most other consoles of late, including the PS1, it's not so bad. I'll be getting a Japanese PS3 as soon as I can.

[The Damned]

Yeah, a Japanese PS3. That's all good for everyone over there. But the rest of the world still has to pay the full price. Unless there was a secret price cut announced, and no one was told.

Now, this next part is not meant as a shot at Sony, or an attempt to start a flamewar, but it is a serious consideration. And a very valid one, I would think, for anyone buying a new console.

Historically, Sony has had very poor customer support when it came to their video game systems. Who remembers when the PSP was shipping with an unusually high amount of dead/stuck pixels, and malfunctioning analog buttons? Or the various issues that the PS2 had? Or the overheating of the first generation PS1? And who remembers how Sony responded to these problems? I do. A relatively quick search reveals some unflattering reports.

Anyone willing to do the research can see a pattern of hardware failure in their first few hardware versions. This is something that even the most loyal and diehard Sony booster can't deny. So if you get one right away, and it is dead out of the box, or dies shortly after you get it... what will you do? Sony has already said that there will only be a 100 000 units for Japan, and those are pretty much going to be gone by the end of the first day. And they reported several times that they were having trouble producing parts, so it's very possible that there won't be a lot of units after launch. Getting a replacement is going to be damn near impossible. So if your PS3 does develope problems shortly after you get it, what would you do?

/ducks and covers

[TheCatPhysician]

I think we're better off here without the price cut. They are cutting the price of the system down $100, but raising the price of games from $65 to $100. According to my math, by the time you buy 3 games with the "price cut", you are already spending more than you would without it by $5. And then on your fourth game you lost another $35. And so on. I guess it depends on how many games you're planning to buy. But it seems kind of dumb to spend so much on a system and only get a couple games because they're too expensive. I mean $65 is already a lot of money for a single game in my opinion. But $100? I don't think I could bring myself to spending $100 on one game.

[SilverStar]

Actually, the prices are between $43 and $59 USD for the JP releases.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6159301.html

Of course, the super-cheap ones are Mah-Jong and in no way make use of any amount of the PS3s power, so were probably just around 25 bucks to develop anyway, so their one copy of each will make a profit. :P

[TheCatPhysician]

Hmm. The site Sir Nuts linked to seemed pretty focused around PS3 games being $100; I wonder where they got that information and why they are wrong. Oh, and the prices in the article you posted are more between $49 and $69, excluding Mah-Jong. Wait. Mah-Jong? Why the heck are they making 2 Mah-Jong games for PS3? Haha. Probably going to be a big waste of all that space on the Blue-Ray discs. Seriously. Is anyone going to spend $45 on Mah-Jong for their PS3? After spending so much money to get the most powerful console, you'd think that people would want to get games that utilize the power of it more than Mah-Jong.

[razor's edge]

After spending so much money to get the most powerful console, you'd think that people would want to get games that utilize the power of it more than Mah-Jong.

You never know, it could be the MGS4 of Mah-Jong.

Historically, Sony has had very poor customer support when it came to their video game systems. Who remembers when the PSP was shipping with an unusually high amount of dead/stuck pixels, and malfunctioning analog buttons? Or the various issues that the PS2 had? Or the overheating of the first generation PS1? And who remembers how Sony responded to these problems? I do. A relatively quick search reveals some unflattering reports.

Well hopefully Sony has learned from their past mistakes. Y'know, the kid that burns himself on the stove learns not to touch it. I guess Sony's the kid that has to touch it a couple of times before the thought sticks.

[Bahamut]

Historically, Sony has had very poor customer support when it came to their video game systems. Who remembers when the PSP was shipping with an unusually high amount of dead/stuck pixels, and malfunctioning analog buttons? Or the various issues that the PS2 had? Or the overheating of the first generation PS1? And who remembers how Sony responded to these problems? I do. A relatively quick search reveals some unflattering reports.

Well hopefully Sony has learned from their past mistakes. Y'know, the kid that burns himself on the stove learns not to touch it. I guess Sony's the kid that has to touch it a couple of times before the thought sticks.

I do think Sony *is* learning. When I bought my PSP back in March, it had a shitload of dead pixels...probably over 30. My second one only had 2 dead pixels though, so I kept it. At least they accepted my trade in for free.

[Evilhead]

Yeah, a Japanese PS3. That's all good for everyone over there. But the rest of the world still has to pay the full price. Unless there was a secret price cut announced, and no one was told.

Consoles are ALWAYS more expensive in Japan. Look at how much the PS2 and PS1 retailed for there at launch. It hasn't been announced, but I would be VERY surprised of the US doesn't get a similar or better price cut. Look at the PSP. Remember when EVERYONE was sure it was going to launch for $400? Then it was released for $250. This is just all part of the hype.

So if you get one right away, and it is dead out of the box, or dies shortly after you get it... what will you do? Sony has already said that there will only be a 100 000 units for Japan, and those are pretty much going to be gone by the end of the first day. And they reported several times that they were having trouble producing parts, so it's very possible that there won't be a lot of units after launch. Getting a replacement is going to be damn near impossible. So if your PS3 does develope problems shortly after you get it, what would you do?

Um, I really doubt they would sell dead systems (there is such a think as quality control), but if I had problems with my system I would try to swap it at a store. If that was impossible, I would contact Sony. If they had none as well, I would get my money back. Not really complicated. I've got a launch PS2 and it's working perfectly to this day. My DS has crashed as many times as my PS2 in the 6 years I've had it, which is 2 or 3 times.

As for the PSP issues, those dead pixels were from the shipping to Japan the states. There were no such problems here. My PSP actually developed a dead pixel when I shipped it in the mail, but it's somewhere I don't even notice it. A lot of DS's had dead pixels, and unless you had more than 5 or so, Nintendo wouldn't take them back either.

[JoeFu]

Nintendo DS's only need 1 dead pixel to trade it in. They didn't need a set number, as long as you had 1, you could trade yours in for a new one.

Anyways, stop using the PSP for the pricing comparison. Sony already stated how much the PS3 will cost. They never said how much the PSP would cost when people said the PSP was going to cost $400.

[Power Surge]

Anyways, stop using the PSP for the pricing comparison. Sony already stated how much the PS3 will cost. They never said how much the PSP would cost when people said the PSP was going to cost $400.
Agreed. If I recall, it was some guy who worked for Atari who said the price of the PSP would be as high as $500.

[Evilhead]

^ Exactly. Until the actual system is released and there are official prices I'm just ignoring all the rumors.

Nintendo DS's only need 1 dead pixel to trade it in. They didn't need a set number, as long as you had 1, you could trade yours in for a new one.

I dunno, there were some people on here who had issues with that. Smoke?

[The Author]

^ Exactly. Until the actual system is released and there are official prices I'm just ignoring all the rumors.

Nintendo DS's only need 1 dead pixel to trade it in. They didn't need a set number, as long as you had 1, you could trade yours in for a new one.

I dunno, there were some people on here who had issues with that. Smoke?

No matter what the return policy, you have to admit that the PSP had more hardware troubles than the DS.

And I believe the minimum was 1 pixel per screen...

[Evilhead]

^ Exactly. Until the actual system is released and there are official prices I'm just ignoring all the rumors.

Nintendo DS's only need 1 dead pixel to trade it in. They didn't need a set number, as long as you had 1, you could trade yours in for a new one.

I dunno, there were some people on here who had issues with that. Smoke?

No matter what the return policy, you have to admit that the PSP had more hardware troubles than the DS.

And I believe the minimum was 1 pixel per screen...

Well, both have had dead pixels. The PSP had a lot more due to crappy shipment from Japan to the states. The PSP had a cruddy square button on some units (which actually doesn't affect gameplay, it just feels 'squishy'). The DS lite has a tendancy to have it's hinges break, and, in my experience, the DS screen is a lot easier to scratch than it should be. I'd say both have had their hardware problems, but yes, the PSP does have a worse reputation. I love both systems though.

[The Author]

And in general, beyond your personal experience but on average: did the PS2 have bigger hardware issues than the gamecube?

[Evilhead]

And in general, beyond your personal experience but on average: did the PS2 have bigger hardware issues than the gamecube?

Obviously, yes. What exactly is your point here? Some PS2's developed problems down the line. Mine didn't, most people I know haven't had any problems, I just heard people complaining on the internet. I've had many other Sony products that work without fail though, so I don't expect a lot of hardware failures for the PS3. If I have an issue, it should be under warranty for a while, so there's not really a problem. On the other hand, my friend's GameCube died from a small 2 foot drop from a low table to the floor. Yes, Nintendo generally makes solid hardware, but it's more luck and how you treat your system than anything. I'm betting most PS2 with disc read errors just need a lens clean. Fixes most problems instantly.

[TheCatPhysician]

I just love listening to Sony lie. First they say the Wiimote had nothing to do with their decision to make the PS3 controller tilt-sensitive, then they see that the DS is expanding to more than the usual crowd so they say the PSP is doing better at expanding in spite of the DS kicking the PSP's butt really badly, and now this (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14001&ncid=AOLGAM000500000000004).

And this (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6159307.html?tag=latestnews;title;3).

Oh, and looks like Sony's copying Nintendo again: http://www.wiisourceonline.com/articles/52/1/Imitation-is-the-most-sincere-form-of-flattery...-again/

I wonder what story they'll come up with for this one?

Historically, Sony has had very poor customer support when it came to their video game systems. Who remembers when the PSP was shipping with an unusually high amount of dead/stuck pixels, and malfunctioning analog buttons? Or the various issues that the PS2 had? Or the overheating of the first generation PS1? And who remembers how Sony responded to these problems? I do. A relatively quick search reveals some unflattering reports.

This (http://forums.loneshadow.com/index.php?showtopic=965) article has some interesting points about this subject.

Oh, and I know for a fact that the DS only needed to have one dead pixel to be fixed, because my friend Gigs (who is on the boards) had a DS with a single dead pixel, and Nintendo quickly replaced it. BTW, between all my friends who own DS/DS Lites, that is the only one of the 12 that had any problem at all. And man, you should see Tweak's. He spraypainted all over it (tried to write his name but messed up, so spraypainted the whole thing), has thrown/dropped it multiple times and in multiple ways, and one particular time in a grocery store he chucked it at me with the screens open all the way down an aisle. And it still works perfectly, except that he recently lost it (yes, he is really stupid).

Also, I just find this hilarious:

My PSP actually developed a dead pixel when I shipped it in the mail, but it's somewhere I don't even notice it. A lot of DS's had dead pixels, and unless you had more than 5 or so, Nintendo wouldn't take them back either. You couldn't be more wrong. Not only will Nintendo take them back for only one dead pixel, it was Sony who had that stupid policy. And on top of that, the policy was that it had to have TEN dead pixels, not five. Kind of sad to see that backfire on you. Twofold.

Sources: http://www.cnet.com/4520-6033_1-6023185-1.html
http://www.engadget.com/2004/12/07/nintendo-fixes-ds-with-one-bad-pixel/

[linkspast]

I just wish Sony would just make there own thing, why do they need to copy the wii, what are they trying to prove... they should be spending their recources on, new ideas, or maybe more ps3`s....

I wonder how much longer ps2 games will be made after launch... 3,4 maybe 5 years?

[Bahamut]

Ok, stfu about imitation, and wtf is with the DS & PSP talk here? While Sony has had a bad track record with their customer policies, they had a notable improvement with the PSP over the PS2 (and I do know numerous in person people who have had their PS2 die on them early, some of them launch window PS2s). With a device as expensive as the PS3, I'm sure they realize that they can't get away with poor customer service like they originally did with the PS2.

[UnforgivingEdges]

I just wish Sony would just make there own thing, why do they need to copy the wii, what are they trying to prove... they should be spending their recources on, new ideas, or maybe more ps3`s....

Why the hell do you care? Stop taking it so personally.

[Kitsuta]

I just wish Sony would just make there own thing, why do they need to copy the wii, what are they trying to prove... they should be spending their recources on, new ideas, or maybe more ps3`s....

Why the hell do you care? Stop taking it so personally.

I'm not sure he's taking it personally...

There's nothing inherently wrong with copying someone else's ideas.* If you do it better than they did or apply it in a new way, you deserve the market share you will probably get. This argument works for Nintendo as well - they certainly don't invent technology, they aren't that kind of company. They just take existing technology and apply it to games. Original? Maybe. Innovative? Technically not. Stupid, gimmicky or an insult to gamers? Unlikely.

The same with the PS3. Sony saw a good idea with the Wiimote. I don't think their implementation is exactly stellar, but I may be proven wrong later on.

At any rate, if companies didn't copy off of other companies, gaming - heck, mainstream technology itself - would never get anywhere, so please, no more whining about how any company is stealing ideas from any other.

*See: The personal computer as we know it today. Many hold that Xerox invented the graphical user interface, but they don't make computers now do they?

[Evilhead]

^ Totally agree with you Kitsuta. Implementing other peoples' ideas is the KEY to competition, evolution, and yes, innovation.

My PSP actually developed a dead pixel when I shipped it in the mail, but it's somewhere I don't even notice it. A lot of DS's had dead pixels, and unless you had more than 5 or so, Nintendo wouldn't take them back either. You couldn't be more wrong. Not only will Nintendo take them back for only one dead pixel, it was Sony who had that stupid policy. And on top of that, the policy was that it had to have TEN dead pixels, not five. Kind of sad to see that backfire on you. Twofold.

Sources: http://www.cnet.com/4520-6033_1-6023185-1.html
http://www.engadget.com/2004/12/07/nintendo-fixes-ds-with-one-bad-pixel/

I stand corrected then. I had just heard someone on here (Smoke?) who had trouble returning a DS with dead pixels and assumed it was a universal thing.

As for a virtual console on the PS3, it's pretty much a no-brainer for an online console with a harddrive. The 360 has been doing it for a while now (and yet you don't hear people whining about Nintendo stealing their idea). Emulation on consoles is not a new thing. Charging for it is. And really, who the fuck cares? If someone being able to download a Genesis game on their PS3 REALLY bothers you, you sir, need to get a fucking life. Seriously. Step out of the sunlight and get Nintendo's cock out of your mouth for a while. It's clouding your judgement.

[SP]

what a cool thread.

[TheCatPhysician]

I just wish Sony would just make there own thing, why do they need to copy the wii, what are they trying to prove... they should be spending their recources on, new ideas, or maybe more ps3`s....

Why the hell do you care? Stop taking it so personally.

Ok, I don't fully agree with linkspast. Sony is still doing their own thing overall, it's just that they copy a few ideas, like basic controller functions, and the virtual console. And I don't think spending resources on things they copy is related to how many PS3s they can make; the shortage was due to blue laser diodes or something.

But I think the way you responded was kind of wierd, Pthisis. If a gamer (I hate that term but I can't think of what else to say) feels that one of the three major next-gen systems is just wasting it's time copying another of the systems, then of course they're going to care. From linkspast's point of view, it probably looks like there is no response to his complaint, other than someone angrily telling him that they don't like him being concerned about it. But whatever, maybe that's just me.

Ok, stfu about imitation, and wtf is with the DS & PSP talk here? While Sony has had a bad track record with their customer policies, they had a notable improvement with the PSP over the PS2 (and I do know numerous in person people who have had their PS2 die on them early, some of them launch window PS2s). With a device as expensive as the PS3, I'm sure they realize that they can't get away with poor customer service like they originally did with the PS2.stfu about imitation, huh? You just don't like to hear about it so I have to stop? Sony stealing the idea of the virtual console is pretty notable I'd say, especially after what they did with their controller.

I joined the DS and PSP discussion because I saw that EvilHead's argument was wrong, and I didn't want people getting the wrong idea.

You have a good point about PS3's customer service. It does seem too expensive to not have decent customer service, but if you get a PS3 on launch and it's defective, I don't think you'll be getting another one for a while, because there are going to be so few PS3s for a while, and they will be in high demand.

[Evilhead]

You have a good point about PS3's customer service. It does seem too expensive to not have decent customer service, but if you get a PS3 on launch and it's defective, I don't think you'll be getting another one for a while, because there are going to be so few PS3s for a while, and they will be in high demand.

WHY would it be defective? Have you ever heard of a thing called quailty control? It's tested and sent out. Of the PS2 that were malfunctioning, what percentage of those were defective from the start? Were there ANY cases of this? The PS2s that have malfunctioned, usually in regard to reading dual layer DVDs, are problems that have cropped up YEARS later. We're talking about a 6 year old console here. So if you have your PS2 in a dusty house for 4 years and suddenly get disc read errors on certain DVDs, this means that PS3s are going to be defective right out of the box? I understand that Sony has a bad rep when it comes the the PS2, but come on. You're just exaggerating.

[TheCatPhysician]

^ Totally agree with you Kitsuta. Implementing other peoples' ideas is the KEY to competition, evolution, and yes, innovation.

My PSP actually developed a dead pixel when I shipped it in the mail, but it's somewhere I don't even notice it. A lot of DS's had dead pixels, and unless you had more than 5 or so, Nintendo wouldn't take them back either. You couldn't be more wrong. Not only will Nintendo take them back for only one dead pixel, it was Sony who had that stupid policy. And on top of that, the policy was that it had to have TEN dead pixels, not five. Kind of sad to see that backfire on you. Twofold.

Sources: http://www.cnet.com/4520-6033_1-6023185-1.html
http://www.engadget.com/2004/12/07/nintendo-fixes-ds-with-one-bad-pixel/

I stand corrected then. I had just heard someone on here (Smoke?) who had trouble returning a DS with dead pixels and assumed it was a universal thing.

As for a virtual console on the PS3, it's pretty much a no-brainer for an online console with a harddrive. The 360 has been doing it for a while now (and yet you don't hear people whining about Nintendo stealing their idea). Emulation on consoles is not a new thing. Charging for it is. And really, who the fuck cares? If someone being able to download a Genesis game on their PS3 REALLY bothers you, you sir, need to get a fucking life. Seriously. Step out of the sunlight and get Nintendo's cock out of your mouth for a while. It's clouding your judgement.

You just gained respect from me for the way you responded to the dead pixel thing. Most people can not admit when they're wrong, and if they're really cornered, they make the most ridiculous excuses, and it just makes them look stupid. Your mature response makes me feel bad for rubbing it in earlier.

And I'm not particularly bothered by the fact that you can download Genesis games on PS3. It's just when added to the tilt sensors, and the fact that Sony is so arrogant and tries to lie out of anything that makes them look bad, it seemed kind of funny. But yeah, it makes sense that they would do a virtual console type of thing too, and I forgot about how Xbox Live came first, Nintendo was obviously inspired by that.

But then, like Kitsuta said, copying ideas but making them better/using them differently is necessary for the evolution of the industry. But with the tilt sensors of the PS3, that is kind of...I mean it's only a hint of what Nintendo is doing. There isn't really any innovation there. But with Nintendo taking the idea of Xbox Live Arcade, they are really doing something with it. One of the main features of the console is "ultimate backwards compatibility" and while you could say it's not really backwards compatibility because it's just emulation, it was still a great way to implement the idea. Nintendo has by far the best backlog of old games, and it's going to expand a lot more than the games of XBL. They are really developing the idea, unlike what Sony is usually doing, it seems.

[I-n-j-i-n]

And you know... if you do get a defective unit, you should return to the store you bought it from and demand an exchange. Policy or not, you can talk through it. And most stores do change it. Though I think some of them require insurance nowadays.

I can't believe we're talking about this again.

[TheCatPhysician]

You have a good point about PS3's customer service. It does seem too expensive to not have decent customer service, but if you get a PS3 on launch and it's defective, I don't think you'll be getting another one for a while, because there are going to be so few PS3s for a while, and they will be in high demand.

WHY would it be defective? Have you ever heard of a thing called quailty control? It's tested and sent out. Of the PS2 that were malfunctioning, what percentage of those were defective from the start? Were there ANY cases of this? The PS2s that have malfunctioned, usually in regard to reading dual layer DVDs, are problems that have cropped up YEARS later. We're talking about a 6 year old console here. So if you have your PS2 in a dusty house for 4 years and suddenly get disc read errors on certain DVDs, this means that PS3s are going to be defective right out of the box? I understand that Sony has a bad rep when it comes the the PS2, but come on. You're just exaggerating.

You got me. I didn't mean defective on arrival, I meant if something goes wrong with it. First-generation Sony consoles tend to not be the best quality, so I dunno.

[Bahamut]

Ok, stfu about imitation, and wtf is with the DS & PSP talk here? While Sony has had a bad track record with their customer policies, they had a notable improvement with the PSP over the PS2 (and I do know numerous in person people who have had their PS2 die on them early, some of them launch window PS2s). With a device as expensive as the PS3, I'm sure they realize that they can't get away with poor customer service like they originally did with the PS2.stfu about imitation, huh? You just don't like to hear about it so I have to stop? Sony stealing the idea of the virtual console is pretty notable I'd say, especially after what they did with their controller.

Don't get me wrong - I'd say it's pretty known in OCR that I prefer Nintendo's offerings usually. I just don't see how an imitation comment has a rightful place in a PS3 discussion. As others have said, imitation is good for the industry, especially if it's something good. Also, it should be noted that Gametap has been offering a similar system on the PC with PC emulation of console games for over an year (a legit service).

[I-n-j-i-n]

If you're talking about imitation, the entire VC idea, the marketplace points and the completely identical pricepoints are obviously derived from Xbox Live and Xbox Live Arcade (to be factual about it, XLA launched around 2004. That was before Nintendo even started planning for the exact specifications and features of the Wii). And of course, the Dreamcast, even with its dysfunctional features went online first.

I love how some people get overtly selective about who copied who. Microsoft copies, Sony copies, Sega copies and Nintendo copies. Imitation and competition is the root of creativity. Get over it.

[TheCatPhysician]

I love how some people get overtly selective about who copied who. Microsoft copies, Sony copies, Sega copies and Nintendo copies. Imitation and competition is the root of creativity. Get over it. It's just that when you blatently imitate something and don't innovate with it, that has nothing to do with creativity. I know this won't be the best analogy, but I'm thinking of how this relates to making a rearangement of a song. When someone makes a remix of a song that isn't theirs, it's very possible to get very creative with it, if they use the source as just the base of everything. That's why we don't like MIDI rips, because it's just blatent copying. There's no innovation involved, just choosing which higher-quality instruments to replace the old ones with.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I love how some people get overtly selective about who copied who. Microsoft copies, Sony copies, Sega copies and Nintendo copies. Imitation and competition is the root of creativity. Get over it. It's just that when you blatently imitate something and don't innovate with it, that has nothing to do with creativity. I know this won't be the best analogy, but I'm thinking of how this relates to making a rearangement of a song. When someone makes a remix of a song that isn't theirs, it's very possible to get very creative with it, if they use the source as just the base of everything. That's why we don't like MIDI rips, because it's just blatent copying. There's no innovation involved, just choosing which higher-quality instruments to replace the old ones with.

What about merely copying the style and improving upon it? If there's copycats, then that would also spurt someone else to become inventive in order to stand out. Thinking back about it, the reason why Nintendo adopted a mini-dvd format, went with a wildly divergent type of controller and has come up with an ambitious online plan is all because it tried the status quo since the N64 and Gamecube and has long since fallen behind the competition. Because Nintendo stuck to the cartridge and stuck to the norm for the most part (maybe except for the strange button format on the Gamecube..)

They knew they couldn't stand a chance since the competition was doing better and better with the established formula and look where Nintendo is now. Nintendo tried something new because they were urged on by the competition. They had to try something new or keep floundering in the home console market.

Also, like I just said, if you're saying that PS3's online plan is a shameless and almost downright sinful imitation of the VC, then VC is the same damn thing when it copied right off of XLA. And even the whole Wiimote idea isn't entirely new if you're taking into account some PC and Arcade peripherals that has toyed with the idea for a long time. See where that line on reasoning on blaming the 'imitation' leads to? Nintendo is the same as everyone else when it comes down to copying and taking inspiration from other sources.


On another note, a lot of the PS3 hate doesn't seem to ring true for many gamers outside the pricerange issue. Nobody really gives a damn about consoles 'copying' one another or about the console wars. They're just videogames and if there's games people want to play, then that's that. Sony obviously could have handled the public relations a lot better, but it's not like their core product in PS3 is the worse for it. Price and politics aside, the console still looks pretty solid in idea and technological aspects. And most importantly, game support is all but guaranteed. That's what truly matters in the end anyway.

[SP]

here's a revlotionary idea, buy a ps3 if it has enough good games to be worth it to you.

now stop arguing over nothing.

[TheCatPhysician]

I love how some people get overtly selective about who copied who. Microsoft copies, Sony copies, Sega copies and Nintendo copies. Imitation and competition is the root of creativity. Get over it. It's just that when you blatently imitate something and don't innovate with it, that has nothing to do with creativity. I know this won't be the best analogy, but I'm thinking of how this relates to making a rearangement of a song. When someone makes a remix of a song that isn't theirs, it's very possible to get very creative with it, if they use the source as just the base of everything. That's why we don't like MIDI rips, because it's just blatent copying. There's no innovation involved, just choosing which higher-quality instruments to replace the old ones with.

What about merely copying the style and improving upon it? If there's copycats, then that would also spurt someone else to become inventive in order to stand out. Thinking back about it, the reason why Nintendo adopted a mini-dvd format, went with a wildly divergent type of controller and has come up with an ambitious online plan is all because it tried the status quo since the N64 and Gamecube and has long since fallen behind the competition. Because Nintendo stuck to the cartridge and stuck to the norm for the most part (maybe except for the strange button format on the Gamecube..)

They knew they couldn't stand a chance since the competition was doing better and better with the established formula and look where Nintendo is now. Nintendo tried something new because they were urged on by the competition. They had to try something new or keep floundering in the home console market.

Also, like I just said, if you're saying that PS3's online plan is a shameless and almost downright sinful imitation of the VC, then VC is the same damn thing when it copied right off of XLA. And even the whole Wiimote idea isn't entirely new if you're taking into account some PC and Arcade peripherals that has toyed with the idea for a long time. See where that line on reasoning on blaming the 'imitation' leads to? Nintendo is the same as everyone else when it comes down to copying and taking inspiration from other sources.


On another note, a lot of the PS3 hate doesn't seem to ring true for many gamers outside the pricerange issue. Nobody really gives a damn about consoles 'copying' one another or about the console wars. They're just videogames and if there's games people want to play, then that's that. Sony obviously could have handled the public relations a lot better, but it's not like their core product in PS3 is the worse for it. Price and politics aside, the console still looks pretty solid in idea and technological aspects. And most importantly, game support is all but guaranteed. That's what truly matters in the end anyway.

I understand that copying is necessary for innovating in the industry. I guess my gripe with Sony is that they just don't innovate as much as I'd like them to. Yeah, Nintendo and Sony pretty much just copied the XLA, but I'm glad Nintendo is doing the Virtual Console because Nintendo has such a great backlog of games, and I'm sure they will make some awesome new games for VC that use Wiimote functions. At least they are able to offer something different. It's not like they are just putting the XLA on the Wii, because it's an entirely different set of games.

But maybe it's just that Sony hasn't been innovating very much lately. When they took the idea of the control stick, they used two, which became standard. But adding tilt sensors to PS3 controllers, that doesn't improve upon the Wiimote, and it doesn't offer anything different. Like the article I posted earlier said: For the THIRD time Sony has kept the same boring controller with very little improvements (ripping off Nintendo's rumble pack and analog sticks are about the only improvements they have made on it since the original). Oh but this time they dropped rumble and added tilt functionality! This is an attempt to compete with Nintendo even thought it is severely crippled in comparison to the Wii controller. So in the end Sony is left with a controller that is not nearly as revolutionary as the Wii controller is, nor is it a perfectly fine-tuned traditional controller like the Xbox 360’s. All they have is a mutated hybrid that wants to sit on the fence without deciding whether it will be traditional or progressive. It seems very gimmicky. They either need to be all in or all out.

[Evilhead]

As far as the tilt sensor on the PS3, I'm perhaps the only one who is looking forward to it a bit. Yeah, it was tacked on pretty last minute, and they weren't prepared to show it off very well at E3, but by the time the system is released it should be able to do what you'd expect it to do.

I don't get why so many people are against it. The ONLY reason that people talk badly about the tilt functions is because they are pissed that Sony "copied" Nintendo, even though the controller is completely different. One is a wand, one is a pad with tilt functions. When it Wii remote was announced everyone was all like, "OOOOO COOL NEAT-O MOVE MY HAND AND WOWZERS!!" then when Sony mentioned the PS3 controller can do motion detecting stuff everyone was all "PMG $ONY DOES IT AGAIN *SPUTTER* *RAGE*". Personally I'm not sold on the motion sensing thing. I think it's a gimmick that will get old, like the stylus on DS. But I like the route Sony is taking with their controller. The tilt functions can be used by developers if they choose, to enhance APPROPRIATE games. For instance, you might have tilt functionality on a flight sim or a golf game. Or it could be a little part of the control, like in a platformer such as Spyro the Dragon. You use the main controls 90% of the time, but for those flying parts you use the tilt. With the Wii, you're going to use that remote no watter WHAT. Developers will have to force the remote functionalty into where it's not really necessary or even fun. Sure first party titles and some other releases will use it really well. But how many half-ass failures will we see developed by 3rd parties? How many will they be willing to risk, when they could make a 360/PS3 cross platform game with a large consumer base?

Sure the PS3 controller is not that innovative, but it is the most VERSATILE of the three consoles. And considering the wide array of games the PS3 will have for it, that makes the most sense.

[The Author]

Hmmm, you sound like Kak...


Except with PS3 instead of Wii.


(Oh and try to rememeber to cap your post 12345, I forgot mine.)

[Evilhead]

Didn't Kak get banned?


(Oh and try to rememeber to cap your post 12345, I forgot mine.)

I already missed 12321... ;_;

[Bigfoot]

As far as the tilt sensor on the PS3, I'm perhaps the only one who is looking forward to it a bit. Yeah, it was tacked on pretty last minute, and they weren't prepared to show it off very well at E3, but by the time the system is released it should be able to do what you'd expect it to do.

I don't get why so many people are against it. The ONLY reason that people talk badly about the tilt functions is because they are pissed that Sony "copied" Nintendo, even though the controller is completely different. One is a wand, one is a pad with tilt functions. When it Wii remote was announced everyone was all like, "OOOOO COOL NEAT-O MOVE MY HAND AND WOWZERS!!" then when Sony mentioned the PS3 controller can do motion detecting stuff everyone was all "PMG $ONY DOES IT AGAIN *SPUTTER* *RAGE*". Personally I'm not sold on the motion sensing thing. I think it's a gimmick that will get old, like the stylus on DS. But I like the route Sony is taking with their controller. The tilt functions can be used by developers if they choose, to enhance APPROPRIATE games. For instance, you might have tilt functionality on a flight sim or a golf game. Or it could be a little part of the control, like in a platformer such as Spyro the Dragon. You use the main controls 90% of the time, but for those flying parts you use the tilt. With the Wii, you're going to use that remote no watter WHAT. Developers will have to force the remote functionalty into where it's not really necessary or even fun. Sure first party titles and some other releases will use it really well. But how many half-ass failures will we see developed by 3rd parties? How many will they be willing to risk, when they could make a 360/PS3 cross platform game with a large consumer base?

Sure the PS3 controller is not that innovative, but it is the most VERSATILE of the three consoles. And considering the wide array of games the PS3 will have for it, that makes the most sense.


Imagine what people would think if the PS3 revealed their tilt-controller first before Nintendo's. I wonder if people would treat Nintendo the same as they are treating Sony right now.



But how many half-ass failures will we see developed by 3rd parties?


Instead of looking at it with a negative side, what if the 3rd parties actually made titles that are pretty successful with the controller?




And what did Kak get banned for? lol

[watkinzez]

Kak posted this afternoon. (http://www.ocremix.org/phpBB2/search.php?search_author=KakTheInfected)

[Evilhead]

But how many half-ass failures will we see developed by 3rd parties?


Instead of looking at it with a negative side, what if the 3rd parties actually made titles that are pretty successful with the controller?

I'm sure there will be! My point was that I think Nintendo will lose some of the third parties this way. Let's say Company A has an idea for a game. Say, a katamari type game. They can't seem to integrate the Wii controller into the game very well. Are they going to put their effort into trying to release it for the Wii when the controller presents a challenge or are they going to go the "safe" way and release it for PS3/360 with improved graphics? Since the PS3 and 360 have similar amounts of power, I'm betting we'll see a lot of cross-platform games for the two, with the Wii developed for exlusively due to it's somewhat limited power and unique controller. Now as anti-Nintendo as I may sound at times, I'd LOVE to play some truly welldone 3rd party Wii titles. I can imagine it breathing fresh air into a lot of genres like 3rd person shooters, flight sims, RTSs, etc. But I'm afraid a lot of 3rd parties won't be willing to take the risk and we'll be left with a lot of excellent 1st party titles for the Wii and a few 3rd party gems here and there.

Getting way off topic here, but I guess it can't be helped!

[Bigfoot]

But how many half-ass failures will we see developed by 3rd parties?


Instead of looking at it with a negative side, what if the 3rd parties actually made titles that are pretty successful with the controller?

I'm sure there will be! My point was that I think Nintendo will lose some of the third parties this way. Let's say Company A has an idea for a game. Say, a katamari type game. They can't seem to integrate the Wii controller into the game very well. Are they going to put their effort into trying to release it for the Wii when the controller presents a challenge or are they going to go the "safe" way and release it for PS3/360 with improved graphics? Since the PS3 and 360 have similar amounts of power, I'm betting we'll see a lot of cross-platform games for the two, with the Wii developed for exlusively due to it's somewhat limited power and unique controller. Now as anti-Nintendo as I may sound at times, I'd LOVE to play some truly welldone 3rd party Wii titles. I can imagine it breathing fresh air into a lot of genres like 3rd person shooters, flight sims, RTSs, etc. But I'm afraid a lot of 3rd parties won't be willing to take the risk and we'll be left with a lot of excellent 1st party titles for the Wii and a few 3rd party gems here and there.

Getting way off topic here, but I guess it can't be helped!

Ah ok, I thought you were just assuming every 3rd party game would fail :P haha


But ok, isn't GTA going to be on the Wii? I think I read that somewhere, but if I'm wrong someone correct me. I guess the wiimote could be used as a bat to beat down people. That'd probably be a successful game. I know Jack Thompson would love that :P



But anyway, I even saw the PS3 on TV about the shortages. I guess people are really making this out to be a huge deal :P

Also, is Japan still the only ones being said to be getting a reduced price for the cheaper ps3?

[SilverStar]

About the Genesis downloadable content on the PS3...

I thought that some 2 days after Sony "announced" it, Sega came right out and said there have been no talks of any kind, in any fashion, to that end. At all. The next day, Sony said it was meant to be used as an example, and promptly shut their pie hole about it.

[Penfold]

About the Genesis downloadable content on the PS3...

I thought that some 2 days after Sony "announced" it, Sega came right out and said there have been no talks of any kind, in any fashion, to that end. At all. The next day, Sony said it was meant to be used as an example, and promptly shut their pie hole about it.

Lol, more or less.

So, when did the Sony thread become the Wii thread? I noticed there were some new posts in the PS3 thread, and then saw more posts about the Wii than about PS3 :P. Just a quick comment about a Katamari-type game: it would be enhanced by tilt sensing IMO so it would work fine on either the Wii or the PS3.

The thing that worried me originally about the tilt sensor in the PS3 controller was that devs would just tack that on, much like many devs do with DS games and the use of the stylus when they'd work better without it. It's like some developers look at a system's abilities in bulletpoints and try to match their game to all of them, when it doesn't fit with their game. It's bound to happen with some 3rd party efforts, just like it's bound to happen with some 3rd party Wii games.

[SilverStar]

For Katamari, I think it'd work better on the Wii, because you'd actually have both sticks that could be used with full hands instead of just thumbs. Hell, it could be played with just the remote itself, by acting like the katamari is being balanced right in the middle of it and you have to keep it balanced to keep it moving straight, or turn it to the sides some(like in the racing demos) to turn it in that direction.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I guess my gripe with Sony is that they just don't innovate as much as I'd like them to. Yeah, Nintendo and Sony pretty much just copied the XLA, but I'm glad Nintendo is doing the Virtual Console because Nintendo has such a great backlog of games, and I'm sure they will make some awesome new games for VC that use Wiimote functions. At least they are able to offer something different. It's not like they are just putting the XLA on the Wii, because it's an entirely different set of games.

But the idea and execution is just about the same. Likewise, Sony's plan of putting downloadable backlibrary of their insanely large PSX/PS2 library is fairly ambitious as well if you think about it. And the way they're making the PS3 into a full multimedia machine. In that sense, it sorta justifies the price. Since you pay for what you get with multimedia devices.

But maybe it's just that Sony hasn't been innovating very much lately. When they took the idea of the control stick, they used two, which became standard. But adding tilt sensors to PS3 controllers, that doesn't improve upon the Wiimote, and it doesn't offer anything different. Like the article I posted earlier said: For the THIRD time Sony has kept the same boring controller with very little improvements (ripping off Nintendo's rumble pack and analog sticks are about the only improvements they have made on it since the original). Oh but this time they dropped rumble and added tilt functionality! This is an attempt to compete with Nintendo even thought it is severely crippled in comparison to the Wii controller. So in the end Sony is left with a controller that is not nearly as revolutionary as the Wii controller is, nor is it a perfectly fine-tuned traditional controller like the Xbox 360’s. All they have is a mutated hybrid that wants to sit on the fence without deciding whether it will be traditional or progressive. It seems very gimmicky. They either need to be all in or all out.

We won't know for sure whether it's a mutated, unusable controller until the thing is fully out. Metal Gear Solid 4 will apparently use it and Kojima would probably be the first person to use it to its fullest extent.

Another thing with Sony is that their politics doesn't involve innovation. I agree that Sony could do more and that they're copycatting right off of Nintendo, but Nintendo sorta HAD to do it. Otherwise, they would have been driven off from the home console market. They needed the attention and the innovation to keep them afloat. Sony really didn't. Sony just needed to garner the large fanbase and the wave of 3rd parties they have garnered since the PSX era. That's their perspective. Needless to say, the big and bad presentation of PS3 can be offputting (as it is to me, even when I want to buy it). But I'm not sure what they're doing is a death knell to the gaming industry or death to Sony or anything like that.

So I don't think neither Nintendo or Sony are so different in the long run. Nintendo is doing it with innovation and getting a buzz, Sony is doing it with convention and tradition of their gaming model for the last two vastly successful generations of gaming.

People tend to complain about Sony a lot with their pomp in the last few years, but I think they sorta earned it in the PSX and PS2 eras. Another thing is that Sony has been more focused on the games at hand and have spurred many 3rd parties to make exclusive games for them or even make revolutionary 3D games. It has happened before, and I'm sure they'll try to spur the innovation within the games themselves again. Even if the hardware may not be as impressive to casual onlookers since all they did was put their machine specs and online aspects to a higher level.

[TheCatPhysician]

But the idea and execution is just about the same. Likewise, Sony's plan of putting downloadable backlibrary of their insanely large PSX/PS2 library is fairly ambitious as well if you think about it. Wait, Sony is putting PS2 games on their virtual console? Isn't the PS2 the best selling console other than the DS right now? It seems like PSX/PS2 games would take a really long time to download, and a lot of bandwidth, but I guess that won't be too much of a problem for people with really good internet connections.
And the way they're making the PS3 into a full multimedia machine. In that sense, it sorta justifies the price. Since you pay for what you get with multimedia devices.Like I said in response to linkspast, I know Sony is still doing their own thing with their system overral. I never said it wasn't worth it, I know you save a bunch of money buying the Blue-Ray player. The only problem for me is if I bought it, it would be wasting money on a Blue-Ray player, even though it's a good deal, because I don't have an HDTV to take advantage of it. So it's only worth it to those who value it. It's like if they included a skateboard with the Wii, and made the Wii more expensive for it, while giving a good deal on the skateboard. You could say you're getting your moneys worth, but not everyone WANTS the skateboard. And yes, including Blue-Ray in a system isn't as bad as including a skateboard, because Blue-Ray actually has something to do with the system. But the point is that not everyone can take advantage of the Blue-Ray drive they're forced to buy with the system.

But maybe it's just that Sony hasn't been innovating very much lately. When they took the idea of the control stick, they used two, which became standard. But adding tilt sensors to PS3 controllers, that doesn't improve upon the Wiimote, and it doesn't offer anything different. Like the article I posted earlier said: For the THIRD time Sony has kept the same boring controller with very little improvements (ripping off Nintendo's rumble pack and analog sticks are about the only improvements they have made on it since the original). Oh but this time they dropped rumble and added tilt functionality! This is an attempt to compete with Nintendo even thought it is severely crippled in comparison to the Wii controller. So in the end Sony is left with a controller that is not nearly as revolutionary as the Wii controller is, nor is it a perfectly fine-tuned traditional controller like the Xbox 360’s. All they have is a mutated hybrid that wants to sit on the fence without deciding whether it will be traditional or progressive. It seems very gimmicky. They either need to be all in or all out.

We won't know for sure whether it's a mutated, unusable controller until the thing is fully out. Metal Gear Solid 4 will apparently use it and Kojima would probably be the first person to use it to its fullest extent.

Another thing with Sony is that their politics doesn't involve innovation. I agree that Sony could do more and that they're copycatting right off of Nintendo, but Nintendo sorta HAD to do it. Otherwise, they would have been driven off from the home console market. They needed the attention and the innovation to keep them afloat. Sony really didn't. Sony just needed to garner the large fanbase and the wave of 3rd parties they have garnered since the PSX era. That's their perspective. Needless to say, the big and bad presentation of PS3 can be offputting (as it is to me, even when I want to buy it). But I'm not sure what they're doing is a death knell to the gaming industry or death to Sony or anything like that.

So I don't think neither Nintendo or Sony are so different in the long run. Nintendo is doing it with innovation and getting a buzz, Sony is doing it with convention and tradition of their gaming model for the last two vastly successful generations of gaming.

People tend to complain about Sony a lot with their pomp in the last few years, but I think they sorta earned it in the PSX and PS2 eras. Another thing is that Sony has been more focused on the games at hand and have spurred many 3rd parties to make exclusive games for them or even make revolutionary 3D games. It has happened before, and I'm sure they'll try to spur the innovation within the games themselves again. Even if the hardware may not be as impressive to casual onlookers since all they did was put their machine specs and online aspects to a higher level.

I guess I'll just say this is where we reach our agreement on the subject. But one thing:

But I'm not sure what they're doing is a death knell to the gaming industry or death to Sony or anything like that. I don't know if you're implying that you think this is what I said, but that's not what I said at all. Here's a quote from me from earlier in this thread I'm sure every console will do well enoughSee? I said it.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I wasn't trying to say that you specifically were jetset against the PS3 or Sony in particular. Though I can understand, since Sony as a whole company has been going through overhauls and some rough times in the last few years. But a lot of the internet buzz around the PS3 IS negative after all. And Sony obviously dropped the ball in their marketing tactics with Nintendo and even Microsoft of all companies looking rather humble and straightforward in their offering in comparison. It seems that the people anticipating the PS3 are the silent majority. Even though a lot of polls and such show that people are off put by the price alone. But polls are polls and gamers buying something is another. The DS wasn't too popular upon its announcement either. And look where it is now.

[JoeFu]

So.... How 'bout them graphics?


Why are we talking about such retarded issues anyways? Let us discuss when we will be getting a PS3...


I think I might get one around 2010 if the price drops around then...

I have to play MGS4 and DMC4, that and White Knight Story looks freaking awesome. I hope to be able to play those in like the next 4 years or something.

[linkspast]

Yeha ps3 gfx=win... But in all seriousnes (sp?) just think of the next gen, I know its not for a while but man.... I think it could be the most revolutinary gen, ever. the focus wont be on gfx, One would think but more so how we play the game.

[Penfold]

So last night EBGamestop announced (via e-mail if you're on their list, I dunno if they announced it any other way) they'd be taking limited preorders for the PS3. From what I heard, people pretty much immediately started lining up for it so today Gamestop said they had significantly more people than preorders. I kinda feel sorry for the people who waiting in line since like 3 this morning just to be denied a preorder lol.

[atmuh]

I think I might get one around 2010 if the price drops around then...
same here

[The Damned]

I wonder how much Sony is going to hype that their system sold out so quickly when it comes out... I mean, you have a market that would happily take a couple million units, but they only made and shipped about 400 000. "Yeah, we totally sold out in the first week. Let's see the other guys say that! HAH!"

Is anyone else getting tired of the bullshit that Sony has been spewing the last couple of years?

[atmuh]

Is anyone else getting tired of the bullshit that Sony has been spewing the last couple of years?
yes

EDIT: I think it's kinda funny that lots of people tell me they wanna get PS3 at launch when I'm at work but every time I ask them what game they wanna get with it they say "I don't know."


That's the end of my Sony hate for now.

[Kitsuta]

I wonder how much Sony is going to hype that their system sold out so quickly when it comes out... I mean, you have a market that would happily take a couple million units, but they only made and shipped about 400 000. "Yeah, we totally sold out in the first week. Let's see the other guys say that! HAH!"

Is anyone else getting tired of the bullshit that Sony has been spewing the last couple of years?

What would be hilarious is if they said stuff like that(ie, predicting their console is gonna sell out and making a big deal about it) and it turns out the Wii also sells out at the ridiculous number of units it has. ;)

And for your amusement... http://pressstarttoplay.net/comics.php?date=051214

Now get back to the Wii thread! Sheesh.

[The Damned]

Whoa, who said anything about the Wii? I think you did. I didn't say anything abouta nything, except for the PS3. That was perfectly on-topic. You're just trying to silence anything critical of Sony, you fanboy! :wink:

[Bigfoot]

So, did anyone pre-order a PS3 today?

[Kitsuta]

So, did anyone pre-order a PS3 today?

Yeah, that's actually a good question. Preorders were open for about 5 minutes*, weren't they? Did anyone on OCR managed to snag a preorder in that time?

The Damned: Pssh. Only Nintendo fanboys don't like Sony. Now stop trolling and get back to where you belong! ;)

*Well, maybe it was 10.

[The Damned]

Reports from various points around the US and Canada are that there were only 16 units for each store, and that they quickly sold all the "pre-order" slots. According to some (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3-linewaiters-talk-nextgen-206546.php), the way it works is that the deposit doesn't get you a system; it only gets you a spot in line when it arrives. So if you get a spot, and then somehow miss getting to the store when it goes n sale... well, you might be able to get yours on EBay for a few thousand bucks.

I wonder if we'll have reports of muggings and shit like with the PS2. I suspect that people are stupid enough to try it.

EDIT: Just when I thought the stupid things Sony says were done for now, they serve up a new shovelfull (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/10/sony-australia-wii-a-bit-pricey/). That's just... wow.

[SilverStar]

They just can't seem to go more than a week, two tops, without shoving their foot in their mouth, to the knee, can they?

[The Unsung Plumber]

Ugh...This sucks sooo bad. My EB sold out within the hour.

I can't form my thoughts into words right now.

[Airwalker]

You know what's funny?

EBAY has them (http://video-games.search.ebay.com/Ps3_W0QQa14ZQ2d11QQalistZa14QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8Q QfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQgcsZ1134QQpfidZ1412QQpfmodeZ2QQre qtypeZ1QQsacatZQ2d100)

Those pre-orders are already being pre-sold on eBay.

And people are bidding. And people are making money. And other people want to kill scalpers.

[Bigfoot]

Someone is trying to sell one for almost $8,000...yeah ok, haha.

[Bigfoot]

Europe now to see a PS3 launch in....May?


http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/12/europe-to-suffer-another-ps3-delay/

[The Author]

Europe now to see a PS3 launch in....May?


http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/12/europe-to-suffer-another-ps3-delay/


They plan to have 900 units in Europe by Christmas 2007.

That is the estimated unangered fanbase Sony will have by then...

[Smoke]

Europe now to see a PS3 launch in....May?


http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/12/europe-to-suffer-another-ps3-delay/

Like they said, Europe's used to waiting.

But this is really terrible. It just makes the ads I've seen for a november PS3 launch on the back of a toy store catalog funnier. They started taking their preorders a little bit too early.

[Bigfoot]

I was in my local EB store, and I overheard an employee talking with his buddy. One of them said some stores only had THREE PS3 pre-orders to sell, and Toys R Us isn't even dealing with the hassle, so they aren't selling the PS3 at launch at all.

[linkspast]

three!!! how many will be in stock?

I wonder what sonys deal is why are they making so few of them?

[Bigfoot]

three!!! how many will be in stock?

I wonder what sonys deal is why are they making so few of them?


Issues with production of blue laser diodes. Sony is putting out as much PS3s as there were Xbox360's I believe when it launched, but the Xbox360 didn't have competition to deal with.

[linkspast]

yeah that makes sense, but man, its going to be hard to get one on launch day, any one planning on getting one then?

[The Author]

At this point, they should just delay launch and fix up these issues.

[Airwalker]

What's so hard about making blue laser diodes? You just need to dope Gallium with Nitrogen so it has a precise energy level of 3.34 eV in a way that doesn't distort the crystal structure, despite the fact that Nitrogen's coordination number is 3, far more volatile than other types of diodes.

Silly Sony!

[The Damned]

Can't they just put some blue plastic in front of a red laser or something?

[Evilhead]

Can't they just put some blue plastic in front of a red laser or something?

They'll do that when they release the PS3 SP lite.

[Bahamut]

Can't they just put some blue plastic in front of a red laser or something?

That would block the light completely then. Those things filter light except for a certain frequency, and a red laser would only shoot light at a different frequency (hence why it's a red laser and not blue).

[The Damned]

Your school never covered the concept of sarcasm, did it?

[linkspast]

Can't they just put some blue plastic in front of a red laser or something?

They'll do that when they release the PS3 SP lite.

Yeha I heard about that, from what I understand Nintendo and sony have begun talk of joining forces once again, as back in snes`s early devlopment stages.

[Airwalker]

:D My Chemistry book, a brand new one, had an entire page dedicated to blue laser diodes for whatever reason. That's probably the only page I enjoyed reading out of that book since it reminded me vaguely of video games.

[PriZm]

:D My Chemistry book, a brand new one, had an entire page dedicated to blue laser diodes for whatever reason. That's probably the only page I enjoyed reading out of that book since it reminded me vaguely of video games.

Yes you do appear to know a lot about chemistry. Please tell us more.

[Bahamut]

Your school never covered the concept of sarcasm, did it?

A dumb comment deserved a dumb response.

[The Damned]

Zing? I think that's a zing. Let's call it a zing.

[Bigfoot]

Sony says European delay til May isn't true.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/13/sony-european-ps3-delay-not-true/

[Prodigal Moon]

Here's an invitation for wild speculation:

Like everyone else who plays games and doesn't have a trust fund, I plan to wait for the PS3 to come down in price pretty drastically before buying one. The thing that concerns me though, is that the initial price is so high that if the price drops like it has with other consoles it'll still be like $450 5 years from now. For instance, I think PS2 was $299 at first. Now it's like $129. So the price has only been cut 170 bucks over all this time. A PS3 with a cut like that would still be $430, which is still more than a lot of people are willing to spend on a console.

Do you think they'll just make huge price cuts over the years, like $100 at a time? Does the cost of manufacturing electronics decrease in proportion to the original expense? I hope so.

[Bahamut]

My guess is that it will go down by roughly the same percentage - so whereas the PS2 was $300 and now $130 (reflecting a ~60% price cut), the PS3 will go from $600 to ~$350. That is still quite a lot though, which makes you wonder. Also, it may depend on how fast blu-ray catches on, if at all. One of the driving factors for the PS2's price drops was getting it out there as a cheap DVD player. Sony may try to cut the price more in an attempt to increase the number of people who adopt blu-ray.

[Woffester]

I got a preorder, and already paid it off. I was 2nd in line, the store said they would get at least 8 units, and even with the Gamestop employee benefit of getting 4 preorders, that would still get me a console.

[Bahamut]

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=33441

So, these e-distribution games look interesting.

[linkspast]

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=33441

So, these e-distribution games look interesting.

Flow is such a fun game it reminds me of electroplankton, and a little of spore.... just a little.
EDIT: its online so you can play it noe.

[Evilhead]

My guess is that it will go down by roughly the same percentage - so whereas the PS2 was $300 and now $130 (reflecting a ~60% price cut), the PS3 will go from $600 to ~$350. That is still quite a lot though, which makes you wonder. Also, it may depend on how fast blu-ray catches on, if at all. One of the driving factors for the PS2's price drops was getting it out there as a cheap DVD player. Sony may try to cut the price more in an attempt to increase the number of people who adopt blu-ray.

Yeah, that seems to be Sony's strategy. Most people will buy the PS3 just to have a PS3. But unless you are some kind of technophile maniac, why would you buy a HDDVD player when you already have a Blu-Ray player? And if someone is shopping for a Blu-Ray or HDDVD player, a lot of them might think, "well, if I buy a PS3 I'll get an affordable player and a kickass game system that will rock my plasma screen." Sony is making a somewhat risky move that could end up making them a whole hell of a lot of money if they could have control over the next big media format. They've tried it a few times with MD and Betamax with limited success, but if you bundle it up with the already enormous success of the Playstation they might have a chance.