The Next Generation of Star Trek?

[The Lone Gunman]

Apologies if this has been posted, but I think this is some interesting news for the future of Star Trek: CBS considers new Star Trek Animated Series (http://trekmovie.com/2006/12/13/cbs-considering-new-animated-trek-series/).

[Nec5]

I'm sure many people will watch it. I just won't be one of them.

[RealFolkBlues]

Hmmm. Seems interesting, buuuut...

"We won’t have long diatribes, we are utilizing a clipped kind of writing and the editing is frenetic," explains Rossi. The overall approach is hoped to make the show have a wider appeal than Trek’s last foray into the world of animation.

Two points of wonder here; one, I'm unsure how great a Trek series would be with this kind of short dialogue, and two, what last foray?

[Brycepops]

Hmmm. Seems interesting, buuuut...

"We won’t have long diatribes, we are utilizing a clipped kind of writing and the editing is frenetic," explains Rossi. The overall approach is hoped to make the show have a wider appeal than Trek’s last foray into the world of animation.

Two points of wonder here; one, I'm unsure how great a Trek series would be with this kind of short dialogue, and two, what last foray?

http://imdb.com/title/tt0069637/

Apparently, there was an animated series 30 years ago 8O .

[suzumebachi]

what last foray?

mmm this one. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Animated_Series)

[The Coop]

Joy. Like they haven't already damaged the series enough with Voyager, Enterprise, and half the movies that've been made.

I'm not even that big of a Star Trek fan, but this just seems like a bad idea.

[atmuh]

I only liked the original series.

[zircon]

Voyager was good. If you don't get lost in pointless fandom and look at it objectively, it's a great concept with great acting. There is strong characterization, unique scenarios, a good mix of action and thought-provoking material, etc.

[cobaltstarfire]

I liked voyager :O

[OverCoat]

Gwilym keeps pointing out these crazy things from The Next Generation which make me want to look for episodes of it and go through the whole series. I used to enjoy Voyager, but I stopped watching it. Why? I can't remember, lol.

[Razumen]

Voyager was good. If you don't get lost in pointless fandom and look at it objectively, it's a great concept with great acting. There is strong characterization, unique scenarios, a good mix of action and thought-provoking material, etc.

Wait, Voyager?

[The Lone Gunman]

So...I am like the only person who's optimistic about this new concept?

[I-n-j-i-n]

Nobody takes cartoons seriously in America. I love Star Trek, but like many of its stars have said, it needed a few years of hiatus. The last few series have been atrocious. A cartoon version would make it more of a caricature.

[The Coop]

Voyager was good. If you don't get lost in pointless fandom and look at it objectively, it's a great concept with great acting. There is strong characterization, unique scenarios, a good mix of action and thought-provoking material, etc.

I disagree on a few of your points.

I personally found it to be boring. Compared to the original series, TNG, and even DS9, Voyager's characters were shallow and cliché for the most part. 7 of 9 was the most interesting character on there, because of her former life as a Borg, and her having to try and adapt to life as a human again. The rest of the cast was just... uninspired and dull. Even by the end of the show, most of them still felt undeveloped... like little had been moved forward from the show's beginning. They just weren't very interesting to me. And for the few stories that it really pushed forward, it left a lot more to languish in mediocrity. For me, the cons outweighed the pros with that show.

Characters are important to the success of a character driven show or universe. The original Star Trek used this, as did TNG and DS9. Voyager dropped the ball, and Enterprise never even tried to pick the ball up in my opinion.

[Nec5]

Gwilym keeps pointing out these crazy things from The Next Generation which make me want to look for episodes of it and go through the whole series. I used to enjoy Voyager, but I stopped watching it. Why? I can't remember, lol.That's because Mr. Wogan enjoys the humor in the series. Voyager had terrible acting and was just plain boring. Maybe I'm sexist, but the female captain actress failed. This is all pure opinion, but hey, this is a television thread.

[Zero_Infiniti]

Characters are important to the success of a character driven show or universe. The original Star Trek used this, as did TNG and DS9. Voyager dropped the ball, and Enterprise never even tried to pick the ball up in my opinion.

"Shut up Wesley!" came to mind when you say characters being important in TNG...

but i liked the show, i just hated how G4 played them in random order. my friend's got all the seasons on his harddrive, i've seen a few, mostly wanted to see the borg episodes that i missed on G4, like "the best of both worlds"...classic

[Dhsu]

Characters are important to the success of a character driven show or universe. The original Star Trek used this, as did TNG and DS9. Voyager dropped the ball, and Enterprise never even tried to pick the ball up in my opinion.
Even though I really liked Enterprise, I'm not going to try to defend it here except to say that at least the characters weren't cardboard cutouts like Voyager's and, to some extent, TNG's. Yes, that made them a bit boring, but it's hard to come up with characters with interesting personalities and backgrounds who aren't complete stereotypes.

[The Coop]

Characters are important to the success of a character driven show or universe. The original Star Trek used this, as did TNG and DS9. Voyager dropped the ball, and Enterprise never even tried to pick the ball up in my opinion.

"Shut up Wesley!" came to mind when you say characters being important in TNG...

:lol:

Well, even TNG had back stories to the characters that were played upon as the series moved forward, and the histories of some of them were explored (like Data, Troi, Riker, and Picard). The problem with Voyager was that since they were all out there in bum fuck Egypt, doing this was made a lot harder... so all you were left with was the "here and now". And with not a lot going on, the "here and now" didn't give much in the way of growing room. So while the TNG characters started out pretty stiff, they grew and expanded a lot by the end of the show. That's what made them more interesting to me, and that's a big part of what I felt was missing in Voyager.


And Dhsu, by all means defend it. No one with an ounce of intelligence is going to bash you personally for defending a show you like. If you disagree, feel free to state your opinion. That's what this is all about (or at least, what it's become all about ;)).

[Jiggles Mcpuff]

I just bought every episode of TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise from a Gamestop last week. Someone turned in every single star trek episode ever....and in mint condition. Hmmm, stolen maybe? No matter. They were $40 per season. I got them during a buy 2 get 1 free deal +10% off with a discount card. Thats 25 seasons and it only cost me $648.72. Pretty damn sweet eh? But anywho, been watching DS9 and Voyager again. DS9's characters are, in my opinion, some of the best. Voyagers weren't that bad. I enjoyed Voyager, not as much as the others though. The acting and characters weren't that bad. I got used to them. The doctor and seven were my favorites. I agree with Zircon about the unique scenarios and thought-provoking content.

[Pyrion]

Voyager was good. If you don't get lost in pointless fandom and look at it objectively, it's a great concept with great acting. There is strong characterization, unique scenarios, a good mix of action and thought-provoking material, etc.

The best description I've read yet of Voyager: "The captain is a shrewish hypocritical despot, the first officer is about as effectual as Gumby, and the main draw of the series has a rack that could be used as a flotation device."

[cobaltstarfire]

I don't really remember the characters from Voyager at all, (except for 7 and the doctor). Well I do, but only vaguely. I enjoyed it for the weird stories, really....cause there was some weird stuff, but it didn't seem overly out there either. Which brings me to DS9

I wasn't too partiual to DS9 for whatever reason, I guess I just didn't appreciate the soap opera in space feel of it, some of what was going on in it didn't seem to fit within the star trek universe either, I'm not too nit picky about stuff like that, but some elements just seemed extremely out of place to me.

Next Generation was cool, although something about it struck me as incredibly cheesy/stiff at times. But it was probably the most diverse in terms of the kinds of eppisodes it had, some were seriouse, some were silly, some were full of drama, some went off into holo-room shenanigans that had nothing to do with the actual plot. So it was fun.

No comment on many of the other star treks, as those three above are the only ones I have any real experience with.

[The Author]

Voyager did another thing right: it got rid of the red shirt syndrome.

[TheCD1]

Don't hate on me, but I've watched every episode of the original series, the animated series, the next generation, deep space nine, enterprise, and im halfway through voyager. Oh, and I've seen every movie.

IMO, the original series has the best character interactions between the main characters of any of the shows, and although TOS really shows off only Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, the original 6 movies (which I have to say are all freakin awesome except the 1st one is a bit artsy and doesnt have the "adventure" feel the others do) really do a great job of showing how the other characters are also quite badass. The original series also had a wacky, and almost light-hearted feel at times, with a soundtrack to match, and although chuckling along with the main characters seems kinda odd, it really worked.

The Animated Series is also fantastic. Contrary to it's cartoon nature, alot of episodes were written by veteran original series writers and surprisingly have episodes that are as complex and interesting as those found in its live-action counterpart. That and the fact that the creators were able to show things in a cartoon that aren't easily displayed in a live-action medium means if you are a fan and want to expand your Trekness, you shouldn't pass it up. For these reasons I am interested in another animated series coming out. In my eyes, these new people have some big shoes to fill and if they are up to the challenge, it should be a good show. Anyways, onward with the series...

Next Generation had a great collection of actors, and great episodes to back up these actors. This series gave us lots of great villains, characters, and Q, what else needs to be said? Generations and First Contact are also really great movies, but the rest left me with a real "meh" feeling, and I downright disliked Nemesis.

Deep Space Nine also had great episodes and actors, but what I mostly got from this series was its complex story and setting shown throughout the seven seasons. Out of all the shows, this show was the best at showing the living, breathing, universe of Trek, and the arc is fantastic.

I'm not going to comment on voyager because I haven't seen it to completion, but I must say that aside from Paris, Kim, and Ba'Lana being kinda annoying at times, I'm enjoying it much more than I thought I would've.

I guess that just leaves me with Enterprise. I really wanted to like Enterprise. I watched every ep of its 4 seasons as it was shown on TV, and I must say, the first 3 seasons were really dissapointing. Sure, there were some really good episodes sprinkled throughout there, but I'd say for every 1 good ep, there was probably about 5 bad ones. Characters were hardly fleshed out, except for Phlox, and highlights of the show were few and far between. The third season was one long arc, but it stretched too long and IMO they wasted a season they could have used to make characters more interesting by fleshing them out and making more memorable interactions. The 4th season was great tho. I guess they knew where the show was heading and decided to get all their good ideas out and really made a season I would call great Trek. Although I really didnt like the ending, the 4th season in combination with the good episodes sprinkled throughout the other 3 made the whole thing worth it, but just barely.

Anyway, I've posted this because I'm excited to see serious thought on the continuation of Trek, and as a commentary to anyone who is considering watching any other series from the Trek universe. I would also recommed to watch whatever show you are on in order, and always watch atleast 10 eps to give yourself a good idea of what the show is about. The different series were so good, I would hate for a Trek fan to miss out.

[Pyrion]

I downright disliked Nemesis.

That's because Nemesis was little more than a port of Star Trek II to TNG. They even offloaded Data's katra to a convenient replacement.

[Razumen]

I downright disliked Nemesis.

That's because Nemesis was little more than a port of Star Trek II to TNG. They even offloaded Data's katra to a convenient replacement.

Nemesis blew, hard I'd rather ignore the fact it even exists and perchance to hope that it get decanonized.

TOS was good, although I liked the movies more than the series, because I just couldn't get past the horrible effects.

TNG was the series I practically grew up on, and it holds the highest spot at the moment, for a lot of reasons.

Enterprise, well it wasn't a very original premise to begin with, and the opening song didn't help matters either. I think the actors and characters had potential, but the whole premise just ended up falling flat.

[Pyrion]

I downright disliked Nemesis.

That's because Nemesis was little more than a port of Star Trek II to TNG. They even offloaded Data's katra to a convenient replacement.

Nemesis blew, hard I'd rather ignore the fact it even exists and perchance to hope that it get decanonized.

Forming another rule of Star Trek movies: Every fifth movie isn't canon.

[weggy]

Im not really a Star Trek fan by any means. I grabbed a few episodes of TOS growing up, and TNG was a show I would watch when nothing else was on. So recently my roommates snagged DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise, so I figured why not.

First of all, DS9 is complete and utter crap. I've never seen a more boring sci-fi show, and could only stomach a handful of episodes. I heard the Dominion Wars were cool, but theres no way they could keep my interested until then.

Voyager was actually pretty good. Chakotay and Tuvok have enough badass in them to top everyone else in the series combined... twice. Except maybe Riker. And Janeway had a very different, and IMO, very effective command style. It also kind of reminds me of Battlestar Galactica, the whole "stranded ship trying to get home" thing. Which only helped it, since BSG is sci-fi perfection. One downside? The departure of Kes. I really liked her =(

Then we come to the black sheep of the saga, Enterprise. I have to say, I was totally blown away. I didn't have really high expectations, but I LOVE Enterprise. Season 1 and 2 were pretty decent, but the arc through series 3 is some of the best TV ive ever seen. Season 4 was a small step down, but it was also quite good. I honestly dont know why everyone dislikes it so much. There is not a single unlikeable character in the whole crew. Maybe Hoshi at the beginning when she was kinda whiney, but shes also crazy hot - so its not a problem.

And I dont care what anyone says, I really like the opening song. Especially the more upbeat Season 3 and 4 version. The montage of accomplishments from the Apollo missions, to the space shuttle, to the ISS, to the Phoenix, and then finally the NX-01 was totally sweet.

Enterprise is the only Star Trek show that I like enough to put on my iPod. Which says a lot - its a very exclusive club.

[revenge_of_quatermass]

Im not
Voyager was actually pretty good. Chakotay and Tuvok have enough badass in them to top everyone else in the series combined... twice. Except maybe Riker. And Janeway had a very different, and IMO, very effective command style. It also kind of reminds me of Battlestar Galactica, the whole "stranded ship trying to get home" thing. Which only helped it, since BSG is sci-fi perfection. One downside? The departure of Kes. I really liked her =(


Chakotay is a chump. Even the actor, Robert Beltran admitted that he had no balls. I mean he is pretty much Janeway's bitch, like he should have had a leash around his neck. Voyager is an abomination, even the Doctor and Seven couldn't redeem this series, cause they sucked too.

[Pyrion]

One downside? The departure of Kes. I really liked her =(

Kes was the only positive aspect to Voyager, and they killed her off due to UPN/Viacom's demand for "higher ratings with the 18-24 demographic," which called for one thing. Big boobs. They certainly got 'em. They dumped Kes and turned the rest of the cast into big boobs.

Though I grew up with TNG and enjoyed it, I think the best Trek was DS9. Among other reasons, it ignited my interest in shapeshifters. But think, out of all of the Captains, Kirk never knew Q (but did outwit Trelaine, who may have been a Q), nor did Archer. Picard kept trying to outfox Q with human virtue, which made him out to be a dullard, and Janeway was practically in bed with Q.

Sisko though? Sisko decked Q. That makes him awesomer than the rest combined.

Take this even further: Kirk traded immortality in heaven to die under a collapsed bridge. Archer? Ancient history. Picard? He's still around, assumedly. Janeway? Flag officer?

Sisko practically became a God. Though he did start out half-Prophet, and just didn't know it.

[revenge_of_quatermass]

One downside? The departure of Kes. I really liked her =(

Take this even further: Kirk traded immortality in heaven to die under a collapsed bridge. Archer? Ancient history. Picard? He's still around, assumedly. Janeway? Flag officer?



The only reason that they promoted Janeway to admiral is so she would never helm a ship again and muck up the universe.

[weggy]

One downside? The departure of Kes. I really liked her =(

Kes was the only positive aspect to Voyager, and they killed her off due to UPN/Viacom's demand for "higher ratings with the 18-24 demographic," which called for one thing. Big boobs. They certainly got 'em. They dumped Kes and turned the rest of the cast into big boobs.

The thing is, I thought Kes was much hotter than Seven of Nine =D

[OverCoat]

I've never found any Star Trek girls that attractive.

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/9240/320x240hj6.jpg
nigga what?!?!?

[Antipode]

I don't get the Voyager hate. I thought it was honestly a very intriguing series, particularly the final several seasons. I think it was greatly unappreciated and was sorry to see it get the reaction it did. I saw most of the series and I enjoyed the characters and the evolving plotline.
TNG, mostly the later ones, held that same significance for me.
Also, another random star trek rule I think should be that any episode that involves time travel or time distortions is going to be one of the best ones of the series.

Anyways, this animated series looks interesting. I'll keep an eye on it.

[Pyrion]

Also, another random star trek rule I think should be that any episode that involves time travel or time distortions is going to be one of the best ones of the series.

"I hate temporal mechanics."

That about sums up my loathing of those kinds of episodes.

Anyways, to try to understand some peoples' voyager hate, read this (http://www.ussliberty.net/sub/SpeakingofMoralChoices.htm) for starters.
This (http://www.ussliberty.net/sub/PlayingCatwoman.html) one's good too.

(EDIT: Whenever the site actually freaking loads...)

[Antipode]

To try to understand some peoples' voyager hate, read this (http://www.ussliberty.net/sub/SpeakingofMoralChoices.htm) for starters.
This (http://www.ussliberty.net/sub/PlayingCatwoman.html) one's good too.

(EDIT: Whenever the site actually freaking loads...)

You realize that essentially what these two links are saying is that Voyager sucked because Janeway made crappy decisions and because 7 of 9 wore a revealing costume.
Not even getting into the second one, I can't understand how a character's decisions affect the quality of a show. I mean in some ways I think having a main character that you don't like can make the show that much better. Whatever. And personally, I had no problem with Janeway anyway.

[zircon]

How were Voyager's characters cookie-cutter? Janeway was nothing like Picard or Kirk. She was more geeky than both, with a greater interest in engineering and science, and often contributed to technological solutions. She also had a significant other, and dealt with moral dilemmas differently than either Kirk or Picard. Tom Paris and Harry Kim are both great. Paris' efforts to redeem himself from a pessimistic, selfish ass to someone with a real goal and purpose was cool - I can't think of any TOS or TNG character that had a really criminal history. Kim has some traits of the overeager new guy - like Wesley did - but the fact that he befriended Paris, and his relationship with a girlfriend on Earth, those things added to his interest. Enjoyable.

Neelix is another fun one. He's not just comic relief ("Jetrel" anyone?) - he has some dark spots in his past as well, and has to come to grips with them. He genuinely acts like a guy who's been everywhere, a jack-of-all-trades, without seeming unrealistic or stupid. Then we have the Doctor... geez, how could anyone say something negative about him? Belana (sp) is always a fun one as she's constantly grappling with her Klingon side. It's rare in the other series to see someone constantly on the edge like that. The episode where she tries to remove the Klingon DNA from her child (and when she herself gets split into two) are both fascinating.

Chakotay being Janeway's bitch? Uh, anyone remember the episode where he stole a shuttle and broke every procedure and protocol to settle a personal vendetta with Seska? Season 2. Convenient to overlook that, I'm sure.

etc etc... I mean, really, I don't think you guys are being entirely fair here, for whatever reason. It's a good series.

[The Coop]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I watched quite a bit of the Voyager series (though I did skip season 5 until the finale), so my comments aren't from only having seen an episode here or there. I gave it more than a fair chance, and... well, you know my stance on it.

It all comes down to taste. You like what they served up for Voyager, I didn't. You liked the characters and how what was written for them panned out, I didn't. I don't see anything unfair there.

[Lotd2242]

I think the appeal of Trek was always its reflection on humanity. It was an exploration of ourselves through an exploration of a fictional universe.

The original will always be my favorite. The trinity of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy was like watching the external representation of our internal dilemmas when faced with certain situations. McCoy would spout off the emotional reaction, Spock would weigh in with intellectual understanding, and then Kirk would put it all together to pull a miracle out of his ass. Plus who didn't want to be Captain Kirk? Young, good looking, able to wet the panties of any woman in the galaxy, and apparently the best strategist in the history of the universe.

TNG I remember the most of because I grew up with it. TNG was always geared towards family. The crew was a family that you got to spend some time with each week. Hell, even the Enterprise D was basically a big cruise-liner. And unlike Spock, who constantly fought to remain apart from his human self, Data spent the series trying to figure out how to be human, and it allowed the show to reflect on humanity's little quirks.

DS9...grew on me the more I watched it. I think DS9 began terribly because it was a fragmented show that really had nothing to do and nowhere to go. The Dominion Wars at least gave them stories about how we deal with war and death. The whole side aspect of Sisko being a prophet seemed silly to me, and was poorly managed in my opinion.

Voyager I enjoyed from the start, but as it grew closer to the end, the emphasis on storytelling quickly took a backseat to the almighty dollar. By the last season it was Lost in Space with tits. Before that, well, it doesn't get anymore "where no one has gone before" than out in the boonies of space. And the fact that half the crew were basically criminals and the other half weren't lent itself to interesting interpersonal dynamics.

Enterprise...I don't know what the hell they were thinking with that series. If they wanted to take a step back, the should've chosen the era between Kirk and Picard that had been largely undiscussed, aside from nods to history of the characters in TNG/DS9/VOY. I guess they figured "going back to its roots" would somehow boost interest in Trek again. Maybe it would have, if the series hadn't trampled all over an established history. I gave up on it before the end of the first season, and even going back and trying to watch later episodes makes me cringe still. I thnk the failure of Enterprise really helped out Stargate, which has basically taken over Trek's spot in the SciFi world.

Now they're going to do that prequel movie which is a bad idea all around.

This cartoon show has promise, but I think the "galaxy of suck" idea is flawed considering Rodenberry's whole idea was that humanity grew up and managed to make a great place for itself.

[The Author]

...


...


Phasers set to flame:


Star Wars is better than Star Treck because Han Solo is a much better capitain than any capitain on Star Trek.


He SHOOTS FIRST.

[The Coop]

**turns on a fan to... well, fan the flames**

[Nec5]

It all comes down to taste. You like what they served up for Voyager, I didn't. You liked the characters and how what was written for them panned out, I didn't. I don't see anything unfair there.Ditto. This reminds me of another thread that shall remain unmentioned.

[TheCD1]

The only reason that they promoted Janeway to admiral is so she would never helm a ship again and muck up the universe.

:lol: Word

I've never found any Star Trek girls that attractive.

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/9240/320x240hj6.jpg
nigga what?!?!?

she's the mahhautness

[The Lone Gunman]

BASHIR: "But it makes you wonder, doesn't it? Are humans really any different than Cardassians... or Romulans? If push came to shove, if something disastrous happened to the Federation, and we got frightened enough, or desperate enough, how would we react? Would we stay true to our ideals... or would we just end up... here... right back where we started?"

SISKO: "I don't know. But as a Starfleet officer, it's my job to make sure we never have to find out."

[weggy]

I've never found any Star Trek girls that attractive.

Possibly not work safe pic (http://sorenz.dk/Jolene%20Blalock.jpg)

kay.

[Fritz the Cat]

ARRGHARRRRGRGGRGGHAAAARRRFGGGHRHGRGRGHAAAARRGGRRGG RRGGRGGGH!

[StarZander]

I am one of those who love Voyager. It might be because it's the first series I watched, but I still enjoy the characters and plots very much. I loved the developments and struggles the characters all went through, and the fact that they are exploring completely unknown space and species'. They suffer casualties, but none of them are meaningless. Actually, it can be a very emotional series, but I like that most of the time.

My favorite character is probably the doctor, and his developments. 7 of 9 is also a very good character, and she is much like the doctor because she's trying to go from being mostly technological, to being more human. Some might say they are both rip-offs of Data, but I don't mind. Data was a good character aswell, but he was all good, and he wanted more than anything to be human.
The Doctor really just wanted more respect and recognition, and not just be treated as a hologram.
7 of 9 didn't really want to become human, as it was very strange to her. She felt more safe in the Borg way of "life". Also, she was already human, and trying to both embrace that part and ignore it, at the same time. The fact that she wore a ridiculously revealing bodysuit is really irrelevant.

Janeway did a good job as a captain, and I like it that she was very persistent in following the rules and directives of the federation, even though they were so far away from eachother.

The rest of the cast does a good job aswell.


I watched all the episodes of TNG aswell, and I must say I was disappointed in the first couple of seasons, as they built the episodes all wrong. The first 40 minutes are like the beginning of a movie, with a intriquite (sp?) plot, and it seems pretty good, but then they realise "Oh crap, we only have 5 minutes left to finish off this episodes story!" so they skip a shitload of explaining, and just wrap it all up way too fast. They got better at that later on in the series though.
Favorite episode? The Inner Light. Love that tune Picard plays. Got the mp3 and listened to it over and over and over again.

[Mouser X]

Favorite episode? The Inner Light. Love that tune Picard plays. Got the mp3 and listened to it over and over and over again.Mind posting a link? That's a great episode. Also, I like flutes (I think it stems from whistling a lot, and Ocarina of Time...). I think I still have that episode on tape somewhere... Mouser X out.

[StarZander]

Favorite episode? The Inner Light. Love that tune Picard plays. Got the mp3 and listened to it over and over and over again.Mind posting a link? That's a great episode. Also, I like flutes (I think it stems from whistling a lot, and Ocarina of Time...). I think I still have that episode on tape somewhere... Mouser X out.

Here is a link to a streaming of the orchestral suite made from that song:

http://www.trekconnection.com/sounds/mp3/tng2.asp

Just scroll down and you'll find it.
That's a shorter version though. At home I have a 6+ minute long version of it, and that's the one I've looped. I can't put it on my server for download though, since I'm not at home, but I do have this recording from the show (both from the Inner Light, and the later episode where Picard plays a duet with Darren on piano.)

http://www.starzander.com/tings/light.mp3

It is in pretty good quality, and very nice to listen to. The piano does alot.

Enjoy.

[Wacky]

TNG got me hooked on Star Trek. It was a family. I thought "Lower Decks" was probably one of the best trek episodes ever made, along with "The Inner Light." Also "Darmok."

TNG had some really beautiful Sci Fi themes running through it, along with a sense of family among the crew members (Hence why I assume Worf always finds himself back on the Enterprise). TOS had these too.

Then it just sort of died out. There was no more science fiction. It was just space opera. Star Wars is good Space Opera. Star Trek shouldn't try to be like that. Imagine switching it around to a Star Wars universe:

"These are the voyages of the ISD Crushing Fury. Our Continuing mission: to exert control and authority of his majesty the Emperor over his subjects and to maintain order and peace in the galaxy. To Destroy all that would threaten the Empire. To Conquer, where none have gone before."

*Trek Music*

In it, the Captain would have a large group of officers he relates to on a more familiar level, and the junior officers even play poker or whatever the hell they play in Star Wars.


That's not Star Wars.


Trek should stop trying to be what it isn't, and DS9, Voyager and Enterprise all forgot that (Except I thought first season Enterprise was great.)

[Stealthshark]

Janeway did a good job as a captain, and I like it that she was very persistent in following the rules and directives of the federation,

Wait..what? Janeway followed the rules if and when they suited her. One episode she was all about the PD and next she was chucking it out the nearest hatch. There was no stability to the character(IMO). I liked Voyager's concept a lot as it carried the potential to explore fresh new worlds away form the established species and cultures of the Star Trek universe. They had an excellent setup but extremely poor execution. Few if any of the characters acted like Starfleet officers.

The characters had the same potential as the setting. Several of them had plenty of room for development but it just seemed to be done poorly. And while many people liked the doctor, I hated the character. The concept of the holodeck accidentally 'creating' life irked me back in TNG, but at least they handled it properly by sticking Moriarty in an advanced sim and then placing him on a shelf to be forgotten. If the doctor had developed a similar malfunction, he should have been wiped and rebooted. Simple.

Enterprise is a similar story of failed potential (again, IMO). The decision not to attempt to stick with the established continuity was a huge blunder though. You cannot (well, should not anyway) take control of a property with as much history behind it as Star Trek and then decide to ignore that history because it would force you to work a little harder to adapt your ideas. Want proof? Look at Star Wars 1-3. :roll:

The Star Trek animated series will succeed or fail based on the amount of respect its creators bring to the franchise. While you certainly have great freedom when making a new series, there are certain fundamentals of the franchise (be they timelines, technology, protocols, or mindsets) that must be adhered to if it expects to do justice to the Star Trek name. While fans want (and one could argue, deserve) new content, you cannot move forward without adhering to the precedents set by those before you. If you attempt to, it ceases to be Star Trek.

Well, that's my 2 cents anyway.

[zircon]

Janeway was as consistent as she could be about following the prime directive given the circumstances. Remember seasons 1 and 2, she repeatedly avoided giving tech to the Kazon even though it would have been much easier for everyone if she did.

[Moguta]

Favorite episode? The Inner Light. Love that tune Picard plays. Got the mp3 and listened to it over and over and over again.Mind posting a link? That's a great episode. Also, I like flutes (I think it stems from whistling a lot, and Ocarina of Time...). I think I still have that episode on tape somewhere... Mouser X out.
Orchestral Suite from The Inner Light (http://rapidshare.com/files/8353980/OrchestralSuiteFromTheInnerLight.zip.html)
It has a soft blip in there due to a scratch that couldn't get CD-doctored away. But I didn't even notice it until a few listens. Ah, the wonder of public libraries having music...

And I agree with those who claim Voyager really wasn't bad. The only Star Treks that I really don't like are TOS ( sorry, it's just too cheesy for meh D: ) and Enterprise. TNG, DS9, and Voy were for the most part well-produced and thoughtful.

[Mouser X]

Awesome! Thanks. I'm getting it right now.

As for the opinions about various Star Trek series, I'd have to say that the only one I've seen the most of is TNG. I didn't see much of DS9. I would have watched more of Voyager, but I could never find it on TV (I don't get the TV guide, and I didn't know about TV listings on the internet). The ones I did see though, I really enjoyed. I should see if I can find some of the Trek stuff somewhere... (I like µTorrent...)

Though, I can't say I've heard much good for Enterprise. As such, I don't feel strongly inclined to seek that one out. Some of the others though, I think I may have to keep an eye open for. Mouser X out.

[RealFolkBlues]

That was a nice tune.

Eh. I'm a fan of Voyager, though I noticed a disturbing trend towards recycling the plots of TNG and OS almost exactly, especially towards the third and fourth seasons. Other than that, though, I was initially dismayed by what seemed like a bunch of generic ass crew members, but through some solid writing on the part of the staff, managed to develop into interesting, and perhaps more important, likable characters.

I think I may be in the minority for disliking DS9. My main problem; it's called Star Trek, people. Not Star Sit the Hell Around on our Space Station. I know they pretty much changed that up with the Dominion wars, which were pretty cool, but they always felt somewhat gimicky. For whatever reason, DS9 stands in my mind as having some of the best characters and episodes, and yet doing the least with them. Maybe I should go back and watch some more, but my overwhelming memory of the series is that of being completely underwhelmed.

Also, are we perhaps a little off topic?

[The Coop]

That was a nice tune.

Eh. I'm a fan of Voyager, though I noticed a disturbing trend towards recycling the plots of TNG and OS almost exactly, especially towards the third and fourth seasons. Other than that, though, I was initially dismayed by what seemed like a bunch of generic ass crew members, but through some solid writing on the part of the staff, managed to develop into interesting, and perhaps more important, likable characters.

I think I may be in the minority for disliking DS9. My main problem; it's called Star Trek, people. Not Star Sit the Hell Around on our Space Station. I know they pretty much changed that up with the Dominion wars, which were pretty cool, but they always felt somewhat gimicky. For whatever reason, DS9 stands in my mind as having some of the best characters and episodes, and yet doing the least with them. Maybe I should go back and watch some more, but my overwhelming memory of the series is that of being completely underwhelmed.

Also, are we perhaps a little off topic?

Only for the last three pages ;)

[suzumebachi]

In the spirit of continuing the off-topicness:

I've never really watched much of the original series (a few episodes on G4 here and there-- can't stand that Star Trek 2.0 shit though), but I've seen all the movies. Spock is the man.

TNG was the shit. My favorite star trek series thus far (here's to hoping they make new ones some day). Wesley was annoying, agreed. Also, I can't place my finger on why, exactly, but I don't much care for Deanna Troi either. I think it's mostly because Marina Sirtis is a terrible actress (ogod, in the pilot episode she makes me cringe), and that accent just aggravates the hell out of me.

DS9 was an overrated bore-fest. It was like a soap opera in space. zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. The ferengis and their regular antics were the best part of this series, and even that got old in the end. Sisko was a good character though, but the rest of the cast was pretty so-so (with the exception of Worf, solely because we remember his badass-edness from TNG).

I liked Voyager. Belanna was annoying as hell though. In fact the one episode where she gets split into a pure human and a pure klingon, I seriously hoped the klingon would eat the human for breakfast. But nooo, they made friends and all the magical fairy children danced around and sung magical happy songs in the magical forest of magical happyness until the magical happy phage came and magically killed all the fairy children in the face. Otherwise it was pretty good.

And I don't get the Enterprise hate. I thought it was great. I still watch the reruns on HDNet (mmmm HD Star Trek).

[Lotd2242]

Speaking of Voyager, Spike's doing an all day marathon every day this week it seems. Today the "Year of Hell" was on, which was an awesome set of episodes.

[Raenok]

I've never understood the orgin of the Borg. Just when, where, and how were they created?

My guess is some satillite that Earth dumped and forgot went beserk and went "F**K YOU" to everyone and infected some unlucky host as a collective, thus creating the Borg. But then again, I may be completely off.

[The Coop]

I've never understood the orgin of the Borg. Just when, where, and how were they created?

My guess is some satillite that Earth dumped and forgot went beserk and went "F**K YOU" to everyone and infected some unlucky host as a collective, thus creating the Borg. But then again, I may be completely off.

Why not. It worked for the first movie.

[StarZander]

I've never understood the orgin of the Borg. Just when, where, and how were they created?

My guess is some satillite that Earth dumped and forgot went beserk and went "F**K YOU" to everyone and infected some unlucky host as a collective, thus creating the Borg. But then again, I may be completely off.

I have a hardcore trekkie friend, whom I've asked about Star Trek numeruos times, and he always has the answer. I've asked him this aswell, and here's what he told me:

The Borg was originally just one species that wanted to improve themselves, so they did so with technology. They wanted to reach perfection, which is still their main goal, and they then started to assimilate other species and their traits, using their new technological abilities, so that they can combine them all, and get closer to perfection, leaving out the bad parts of each species. You could say that this original species was, well, Species 1.

This can really be assumed by anyone, but I trust my friend deeply when it comes to Star Trek.

[The Author]

The fact that they are up to species 8472 shows they only assimilate sentient beings and ignore/elimininate other species.

[Lotd2242]

I've never understood the orgin of the Borg. Just when, where, and how were they created?

My guess is some satillite that Earth dumped and forgot went beserk and went "F**K YOU" to everyone and infected some unlucky host as a collective, thus creating the Borg. But then again, I may be completely off.

Shatner's novel The Return which takes place right after Generations maintains that the Borg were a result of the whole V'Ger incident from the first movie. Unfortunately, First Contact kills that theory since the Borg attempt to contact other Borg quite a ways before Kirk & Co. run into our rogue satellite. However, given nobody ever finds out what the race was that gave V'Ger intelligence and some kind of ship and sent it back home, it's plausible that the Borg were that race.

The Borg's origins have always been left mysterious. It's part of their character.