Nintendo Wii

[SilverStar]

Batallion Wars was pretty good (it was short and had annoying voice acting though.) I hope Battallion Wars 2 improves it.

Well, BWII is supposed to be online.. so right there, that negates most of the shortness of the game.. as long as there's a good selection of maps, and the ability to download more in the future.

[sonickfd]

Personally I can't wait for Strikers charged, only 5 more days until it comes out
, first one had great multiplayer, and it's online so It's gonna be awesome with my friends. I also need to hope for a large supply of birthday and Christmas money to help me attain all the awesome games coming soon.

[Brithor]

Well, online multiplayer would be awesome, as long as they do it properly and don't crap it like with the Pokémon game.
But if they managed to pull it off it would be one hell of a game, if they had included some kind of multiplayer (Co-op or deathmach or something) to Battalion Wars it would have been brilliant imo.

[Bigfoot]

I wonder what this surprise is going to be.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/clips/reggie-taunts-us-with-september-wii-surprise-282063.php

[SilverStar]

I wonder what this surprise is going to be.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/clips/reggie-taunts-us-with-september-wii-surprise-282063.php

It almost sounded like it might have been some sort of WiiConnect24 frebie online game.

I dunno about you.. but I think I'd actually really enjoy if they released Wii Monopoly or something, for free. Complete with real Dice Rolling Action!

[KWarp]

Complete with real Dice Rolling Action!

WITH REAL-TIME PHYSICS!?? :grin:

[Red Shadow]

I wonder what this surprise is going to be.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/clips/reggie-taunts-us-with-september-wii-surprise-282063.php

wishing like hell it will have something to do with mother 3

[Bigfoot]

wishing like hell it will have something to do with mother 3

Well, in another video here http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2007/07/25/video-exclusive-nintendos-reggie-fils-aime-part-two-does-nintendo-favor-japanese-gamers-and-developers/

Reggie mentions that he is bombarded with Mother fans. So, at least he is aware of it. Whether or not anything happens is still hard to tell :\

[Brithor]

Wiidrive?
Did Reggie's tounge slip?

[SilverStar]

Wiidrive?
Did Reggie's tounge slip?

Unfortunately, I don't know, because I live in Canada and MTV can suck my hairy, sweaty balls, for region-locking their videos.

[Brithor]

Eh, I live in Spain and I can see it without problem :/

[Bigfoot]

MTV probably just hates Canada then.

I'll see if I can find it somewhere else.

[Imagist]

Wiidrive?
Did Reggie's tounge slip?

You weren't imagining it, if that's what you're thinking. It certainly sounded like a codename for a product already in preliminary design. I'm going to start saying it's coming now, because then if the official announcement is made in a few months I can say "I told you so."

[Arek the Absolute]

Anyone know why Starfox 64 got updated? It didn't give any details as to why it was updated. I downloaded it and I see no difference, except for the fact that the world map when moved is now choppy as fuck.

Also, holy shit. N64 games take up too much memory on the wii. Wiidrive needs to come out ASA fucking P.

[sonickfd]

We wouldn't NEED WiiDrive if they made it so you could ACCESS GAMES AND CHANNELS AND SAVES FROM THE DAMN SD CARD.
Whoever made the decision to make it unusable unless copied to the Wii HD should be gutted. God forbid they make a console designed with simplicity in mind easy to use.

[SilverStar]

We wouldn't NEED WiiDrive if they made it so you could ACCESS GAMES AND CHANNELS AND SAVES FROM THE DAMN SD CARD.
Whoever made the decision to make it unusable unless copied to the Wii HD should be gutted. God forbid they make a console designed with simplicity in mind easy to use.

The only place where it makes any sense at all, is in saying it prevents piracy, solely because it means you can't create an -easy- SD loader.

Of course, if someone were to hack the Wii anyway, they could make an SD loader that would let you load it from there anyhow.

I also wish I could save GC games to a virtual card, and copy them to the system for backup.

But, at the very least.. they could say that WiiWare games have a limit of up to 512MB. Though, I think 128MB would be more than enough, when you look at what they managed with XBLA, when it was under the 32MB limit, and what they're doing now with the 64MB limit.

When you take those into consideration, even if Nintendo imposes a 64MB limit for WiiWare games, it won't be bad at all. Especially since you don't actually need a ton of SD cards to store stuff, if you just have an SD slot on your computer. You can store everything there when not in use, without any problems, then move it back when you want to play again.

Or just re-download if needed, since the history is stored anyway, allowing you to freely download any stuff you already paid for.

[Critical Hit]

Anyone know why Starfox 64 got updated? It didn't give any details as to why it was updated. I downloaded it and I see no difference, except for the fact that the world map when moved is now choppy as fuck.

I've been wondering about this myself for a while now, and haven't been able to find out at all. Anyone know??

[Drack]

We wouldn't NEED WiiDrive if they made it so you could ACCESS GAMES AND CHANNELS AND SAVES FROM THE DAMN SD CARD.
Whoever made the decision to make it unusable unless copied to the Wii HD should be gutted. God forbid they make a console designed with simplicity in mind easy to use.

The only place where it makes any sense at all, is in saying it prevents piracy, solely because it means you can't create an -easy- SD loader.

Of course, if someone were to hack the Wii anyway, they could make an SD loader that would let you load it from there anyhow.

I also wish I could save GC games to a virtual card, and copy them to the system for backup.

But, at the very least.. they could say that WiiWare games have a limit of up to 512MB. Though, I think 128MB would be more than enough, when you look at what they managed with XBLA, when it was under the 32MB limit, and what they're doing now with the 64MB limit.

When you take those into consideration, even if Nintendo imposes a 64MB limit for WiiWare games, it won't be bad at all. Especially since you don't actually need a ton of SD cards to store stuff, if you just have an SD slot on your computer. You can store everything there when not in use, without any problems, then move it back when you want to play again.

Or just re-download if needed, since the history is stored anyway, allowing you to freely download any stuff you already paid for.
@sonickfd: Firmware update can add this. They really need to push one out for this, I agree.

@SilverStar: DRM is already in place - While you can already put VC games on the card, they must be copied to the internal memory before being played. This is what sonickfd was complaining about. There is no reason for them not to do this. The DRM catch is that to decrypt the channel, it uses the wii console number (or some other system-specific key), and if the numbers don't match, you can't play the game. This wouldn't change if Nintendo added capability to run from SD Card.

@Nintendo: Why are you storing the emulator and so much other cruft along with the ROM + Save in the VC channels? This is clearly evident through file size. It takes much less space than your channels take up to store ROM+Save, or even Emu+ROM+Save+SaveState. What are you wasting this space with? Half a gig should last longer than this.

[Neo Samus]

Anyone know why Starfox 64 got updated? It didn't give any details as to why it was updated. I downloaded it and I see no difference, except for the fact that the world map when moved is now choppy as fuck.

Also, holy shit. N64 games take up too much memory on the wii. Wiidrive needs to come out ASA fucking P.

From what I heard, I think it was IGN, the sensitivity of the analog stick was too loose when using the classic controller (but not the GC controller...weird). So the update fixes the that problem.

[Penfold]

We need a hard drive for the Wii, or the ability to use the SD card for something...useful soon. I honestly don't mind buying some most likely proprietary hardware in order to have quick and easy access to the vc games I've bought. Sure, I could just delete games to make room for new ones, but instead I'm simply going to slow my consumption of the classic gaming goodness I missed the first time around. Still gonna keep my fingers crossed for a Virtual Console channel too, since it's not only a mess to keep vc games on the main channels menu but I'm going to be out of channel spaces soon too.

[Mr.Roboto]

We need a hard drive for the Wii, or the ability to use the SD card for something...useful soon. I honestly don't mind buying some most likely proprietary hardware in order to have quick and easy access to the vc games I've bought. Sure, I could just delete games to make room for new ones, but instead I'm simply going to slow my consumption of the classic gaming goodness I missed the first time around. Still gonna keep my fingers crossed for a Virtual Console channel too, since it's not only a mess to keep vc games on the main channels menu but I'm going to be out of channel spaces soon too.

Isn't there an SD slot on the front of the console?Inthat area with the cover and Sync button?

[Bigfoot]

I forgot who mentioned this before, but I think it'd be a smart idea if Nintendo just made "SNES channel" or "NES channel" etc, instead of having each game take up a spot on the home page.

[SilverStar]

I forgot who mentioned this before, but I think it'd be a smart idea if Nintendo just made "SNES channel" or "NES channel" etc, instead of having each game take up a spot on the home page.

Considering it would mean they would just have to have the emulator once and save a ton of space? It'd be a much smarter move.

[Penfold]

Isn't there an SD slot on the front of the console?Inthat area with the cover and Sync button?

Yeah, the SD slot is there, but it's not useful. You can put pictures onto it for viewing in a slide show (as well as put music on there that you can listen to during the slide show) and back up save files/downloaded VC games, but that's where it stops. As was said on the last page, you can store a VC game onto an SD card but you can't access the game from the SD. It also pretty much takes the same amount of time for me to move a game from the SD onto the console as it does for me to re-download the game, so it's not even worthwhile for that IMO.

Short story shorter: There is no good reason for me to put an SD card into the Wii at this time.

[Penfold]

(double post)

Considering it would mean they would just have to have the emulator once and save a ton of space? It'd be a much smarter move.

And it'd clean up my channels menu a little better. I'd be all for it.

[Arek the Absolute]

Isn't there an SD slot on the front of the console?Inthat area with the cover and Sync button?

you totally fail
no
seriously

[SilverStar]

So. Anyone think Nintendo should at the -very- least, get off their lazy, collective arses, and start doing something fun, like packing demo DVDs in with Nintendo Power or something? Especially with the ever-growing audience who otherwise wouldn't have ever been interested?

It's a bloody no-brainer.. DS and Wii demos, plus high resolution, lag-free trailers and everything. Let some gamers actually experience some of these glorious demos they keep showing at E3, for 3 years before the game is even released!

[AarowSwift]

I always liked SHMUPS, but never enough to buy one. They were always rentals for me. The only two examples of the genre that I beat as a kid were Gradius 3 and Thunder Spirits. The first VC game I bought was Gradius 3 and it took me something like two days to get past the first level; man my skills went to hell. It was another month (maybe longer) before I beat the game, but once I hit the zone that game is utterly sublime. Now I can play through it without dying. I figure I'll let it sit fallow for a while so when I pick it up I'll suck all over again.

More recently I tried out R-Type Third Lightning and found it clunky and not so fun. On one hand it's easier than Gradius...until it gets hard, unfairly so I'd say. I ended up dropping it from my system but I'd definitely like to try another SHMUP.

So, I like Gradius 3 and hate R-Type 3, can anyone recommend another SHMUP I might like from the VC?

[The Coop]

I always liked SHMUPS, but never enough to buy one. They were always rentals for me. The only two examples of the genre that I beat as a kid were Gradius 3 and Thunder Spirits. The first VC game I bought was Gradius 3 and it took me something like two days to get past the first level; man my skills went to hell. It was another month (maybe longer) before I beat the game, but once I hit the zone that game is utterly sublime. Now I can play through it without dying. I figure I'll let it sit fallow for a while so when I pick it up I'll suck all over again.

More recently I tried out R-Type Third Lightning and found it clunky and not so fun. On one hand it's easier than Gradius...until it gets hard, unfairly so I'd say. I ended up dropping it from my system but I'd definitely like to try another SHMUP.

So, I like Gradius 3 and hate R-Type 3, can anyone recommend another SHMUP I might like from the VC?

How can you hate RIII? WHUT DA HELL'S WRONG WITCHU?! :lol:

Anyway, my thoughts on a number of the Genesis and SNES shmups...

9 Thunder Force III- Genesis
10 Lightning Force- Genesis
9 Steel Empire- Genesis
8 Gaiares- Genesis
9 Axelay- SNES
8 Space Megaforce- SNES
8 Whip Rush- Genesis
7 Vapor Trail- Genesis
8 Wings of Wor- Genesis
8 Super R-Type- SNES
7.5 Air Buster- Genesis
8.5 Elemental Master- Genesis
8 Fire Shark- Genesis
8 Hellfire- Genesis
8 Phelios- Genesis
8 Raiden Trad (Genesis)
8.5 Sub Terrania- Genesis
8.5 Granada- Genesis
7 Bio Metal- SNES
9 M.U.S.H.A.- Genesis
7.5 Sagaia- Genesis
7 Forgotten Worlds- Genesis
8 Biohazard Battle- Genesis
7 Phalanx[/i]- SNES
7 Fire Power 2000
8 UN Squadron- SNES
8 Viewpoint- Genesis


And for the ones you played...

8 Gradius III
9 R-Type III: The Third Lightning
5 Thunder Spirits

[AarowSwift]

Good grief, how many of those are actually on the Virtual Console? And yeah, I'm pretty blah on R-Type 3. It had its moments but got stupid towards the end. C'mon, a level where you have to go trial and error to avoid death? Then make you go backwards through the level when your guns only fire forwards? (unless you have the right power-up). Bah I say. I played a few times and ultimately didn't enjoy it.

Anyway Coop, you have a high opinion of R-Type 3 so I find your suggestions suspect. :wink:

[Wintermute]

And we find it suspect that you don't like R-Type 3.

[The Coop]

Good grief, how many of those are actually on the Virtual Console?

Bio-Hazard Battle is the only one so far.

[Bigfoot]

So. Anyone think Nintendo should at the -very- least, get off their lazy, collective arses, and start doing something fun, like packing demo DVDs in with Nintendo Power or something? Especially with the ever-growing audience who otherwise wouldn't have ever been interested?

It's a bloody no-brainer.. DS and Wii demos, plus high resolution, lag-free trailers and everything. Let some gamers actually experience some of these glorious demos they keep showing at E3, for 3 years before the game is even released!

I have a demo DVD somewhere from Nintendo Power(sometime last year I think). It has Link on the front of the disc, heh.

[AarowSwift]

And we find it suspect that you don't like R-Type 3.

You'd probably also find it suspect that I'm not a fan of pepperoni. Different tastes. I only pointed it out as a guide. I'm asking for advice on making a purchase, so if you know what I do like and what I didn't like, hopefully you can make educated suggestions. I guess the defining differences between Gradius 3 and R-Type 3 for me was, Gradius let you see what was coming and it was up to you to react in time to survive. R-Type 3 tossed in hazards you don't see coming and obstacles that required a certain type of response immediately or you die. No wonder the game gave you infinite lives. That annoyed me. I don't usually like trial and error game play.

What about games like Blazing Lasers and Soldier Blade?

[Rambo]

What about games like Blazing Lasers and Soldier Blade?

Blazing Saddles > Blazing Lasers

[Bigfoot]

Reading Nintendo Power bit today about Metroid Prime 3. They're really giving this game good praise. I mean, it's a Nintendo game in a Nintendo Magazine, but still.

[Effector]

Read the article earlier today. They applaud the pacing, and I'm glad to hear that beam stacking is back, ala Super Metroid. Also welcome: better backtracking, more ship interaction.

I'm excited for this even more now... Still don't like Dark Samus, but whatever. Love the series.

[Bigfoot]

Read the article earlier today. They applaud the pacing, and I'm glad to hear that beam stacking is back, ala Super Metroid. Also welcome: better backtracking, more ship interaction.

I'm excited for this even more now... Still don't like Dark Samus, but whatever. Love the series.

Maybe if this title sells like crazy(and I'm hoping it will, since it's the first real 'hardcore' game for Wii), Nintendo will finally make another 2d Metroid.

I guess I better start a campaign like the Mother fans.

[SilverStar]

Maybe if this title sells like crazy(and I'm hoping it will, since it's the first real 'hardcore' game for Wii), Nintendo will finally make another 2d Metroid.

I guess I better start a campaign like the Mother fans.

2D metroid with 3D sprites, damnit! Sorta like Super Paper Mario.. but not so flat.

[The Coop]

What about games like Blazing Lasers and Soldier Blade?

I can't comment on them, as I've never owned a TG-16 or a Turbo Duo, so I've never played them. Some say Blazing Lasers is the best Hu-card shmup on the TG-16 though, with its version of R-Type being a very close second. Again, that's just what I've read over the years. I've never gotten to try them out.

[Mouser X]

I want this game:

Endless Ocean (http://media.wii.ign.com/media/853/853751/imgs_1.html)Same here. It is one of the Wii games I've been looking forward since before the Wii was released... I like the idea of scuba diving (I've never actually done it...), I like exploration, and I like pretty pictures (as my screenshots directory can attest to. It's over 3 GB in size). Even if others don't like the game (I don't know why not, but whatever), I will almost certainly buy this game.

Okay...

Errr... the next few months are gonna be expensive:

August: MP3
September ???
October: Endless Ocean
November: Super Mario Galaxy
December: Super Smash BrotherCrud. I better start saving up now... That's a lot of money I'm going to need if I want to get all of those (which I do. I've already got MP3 reserved. On that note, I hope to find MP3s of MP3's music... Sorry, I've been wanting to say that for a long time). I'm certainly looking forward to these next few months. Hopefully I can get the time to play them all. Mouser X out.

[Bigfoot]

2D metroid with 3D sprites, damnit! Sorta like Super Paper Mario.. but not so flat.

No dammit :P (using a DS game for example)NSMB was fun, but I think I'd still prefer 2d.

[SilverStar]

No dammit :P (using a DS game for example)NSMB was fun, but I think I'd still prefer 2d.

You can get WAY more detail into the sprites if you use 3D sprites, plus you can do a lot more with subtle lighting effects using 3D cell shaders, to give it a way more interesting look.

[Effector]

No dammit :P (using a DS game for example)NSMB was fun, but I think I'd still prefer 2d.

NSMB was pretty good looking... I think taking the same approach to Metroid (a New Super Metroid?) would be pretty nifty. It wasn't just the visuals, it was that the developers went back and reimagined the old game with the new moves, artistic style, etc.

Metroid (or Super Metroid, really) could get a lot out of that.

[SilverStar]

Use the Wiimote pointer as a perfect tool for having fine control of aiming in all directions around Samus, as well as being able to implement the different visors seen in the Prime series.

I can imagine the X-ray visor would have particularly improved use, because while you can still see around you, you can move while scanning and still fire your weapon, and it would allow for some truly epic Shinespark events, when you can have that kind of subtle control over your direction.

Tracking fast-moving enemies across the screen would also be a bit of a treat. Plus the use of guided missiles and guided Super Missiles.

Personally, I wouldn't want it to be a remake of Super Metroid, because that would wind up being too much of a retcon to the series. Instead, they could easily implement it as Metroid 5 and take us somewhere new.

[Effector]

It's a fun idea, and I agree with most of it, but I wasn't asking for a retcon - NSMB had very little to do with (old) SMB, stagewise. Aside from a few little doses of nostalgia, it was a totally new game. So yeah. NSM, please. On Wii. Make it pretty.

Go Nintendo, go!

[Bigfoot]

I was just being semi-sarcastic about the no 3d models :P I was just going for nostalgia value lol.

But yeah, I'd love for a new side scroller Metroid. It could be so beautiful on the Wii. It wouldn't have to be so graphically demanding, which is what the Wii is good at :P

I think it'd also be pretty amazing if they remade Metroid II for the GBA or DS or whatever like they did with the original Metroid. I know there's emulators and whatnot, but I still feel that many people probably missed out on that game. Plus, it was on the gameboy, so the game could have looked so much better with more colors and detail.

[SilverStar]

I was just being semi-sarcastic about the no 3d models :P I was just going for nostalgia value lol.

But yeah, I'd love for a new side scroller Metroid. It could be so beautiful on the Wii. It wouldn't have to be so graphically demanding, which is what the Wii is good at :P

I think it'd also be pretty amazing if they remade Metroid II for the GBA or DS or whatever like they did with the original Metroid. I know there's emulators and whatnot, but I still feel that many people probably missed out on that game. Plus, it was on the gameboy, so the game could have looked so much better with more colors and detail.

Plus the game itself could use some more recent features. Like a map. And maybe some extra side areas.

The GB was limited in what it could offer, due to the limited resolution and choice to have Samus and all the other sprites, appear so large on the screen, so it was really very zoomed in by comparison. Expanding on it ZM-style would really be able to make it an even better game.

[Azul v2]

Has there been any talk for a new Ogre Battle for the Wii?

[Bigfoot]

Has there been any talk for a new Ogre Battle for the Wii?

Maybe they'll put the SNES version on the VC.. yeah right :\ I remember renting OB from Blockbuster. Good times.

[Kenobio]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/Kenobio/Picture1.jpg

Hi guys, I'm Reggie.

[Merk]

North American Virtual Console releases today:

Drop Off (NES) - Breakout/Arkanoid; with fruit.
Dynamite Headdy (GEN) - It's made by Treasure, so it must be good
Star Soldier (T16) - Another shooter in the same series as Blazing Lazers

[eternal Zero]

Maybe they'll put the SNES version on the VC.. yeah right :\ I remember renting OB from Blockbuster. Good times.

I personally liked Ogre Battle 64 better, but I wouldn't complain about the SNES version.

[SilverStar]

I personally liked Ogre Battle 64 better, but I wouldn't complain about the SNES version.

I just hope they don't try to make some sort of straight port of Tactics Ogre. If they did, then they'd no doubt abuse the pointer function when the D-pad or analog would work more than well enough.

[Neonlare]

Dynamite Headdy (GEN) - It's made by Treasure, so it must be good



That is such an awesome game with awesome music, words can hardly describe it. Oh right, odd. It's an odd game, but it's really really fun, The Battle with the Gate Keeper needs to be remixed, it's so hard core...

[Penfold]

That is such an awesome game with awesome music, words can hardly describe it. Oh right, odd. It's an odd game, but it's really really fun, The Battle with the Gate Keeper needs to be remixed, it's so hard core...

What sorta game is it?

[Neo Samus]

What sorta game is it?

Platformer/action. The character uses his head to damage his ememies. So much fun. Worth the 8 bucks.

[Arek the Absolute]

North American Virtual Console releases today:

Drop Off (NES) - Breakout/Arkanoid; with fruit.
Dynamite Headdy (GEN) - It's made by Treasure, so it must be good
Star Soldier (T16) - Another shooter in the same series as Blazing Lazers
ty for update
lack of eb makes the surge of q's starmen is going to do on aug 1st much more "worth it"

[Bahamut]

How can you hate RIII? WHUT DA HELL'S WRONG WITCHU?! :lol:

Anyway, my thoughts on a number of the Genesis and SNES shmups...

9 Thunder Force III- Genesis
10 Lightning Force- Genesis
9 Steel Empire- Genesis
8 Gaiares- Genesis
9 Axelay- SNES
8 Space Megaforce- SNES
8 Whip Rush- Genesis
7 Vapor Trail- Genesis
8 Wings of Wor- Genesis
8 Super R-Type- SNES
7.5 Air Buster- Genesis
8.5 Elemental Master- Genesis
8 Fire Shark- Genesis
8 Hellfire- Genesis
8 Phelios- Genesis
8 Raiden Trad (Genesis)
8.5 Sub Terrania- Genesis
8.5 Granada- Genesis
7 Bio Metal- SNES
9 M.U.S.H.A.- Genesis
7.5 Sagaia- Genesis
7 Forgotten Worlds- Genesis
8 Biohazard Battle- Genesis
7 Phalanx[/i]- SNES
7 Fire Power 2000
8 UN Squadron- SNES
8 Viewpoint- Genesis


And for the ones you played...

8 Gradius III
9 R-Type III: The Third Lightning
5 Thunder Spirits

I just had to go on a tangent here, but what about all shmups period?

[Imagist]

So today I just discovered that you can move the cursor on the Wii Menu with the Classic Controller's analog stick. All this time I would select a VC game with the Wiimote and pick up the Classic Controller only to think I still needed to Wiimote to point at and press Start. No longer! I even typed out a message to a friend using the Classic Controller, and when you have a free-moving cursor instead of a selector that's fixed on keys it's almost as easy to type using the analog stick as it is the actual pointer.

It's a fascinating new discovery for me but I can't help feeling dumb for missing it before.

[Arek the Absolute]

So today I just discovered that you can move the cursor on the Wii Menu with the Classic Controller's analog stick. All this time I would select a VC game with the Wiimote and pick up the Classic Controller only to think I still needed to Wiimote to point at and press Start. No longer! I even typed out a message to a friend using the Classic Controller, and when you have a free-moving cursor instead of a selector that's fixed on keys it's almost as easy to type using the analog stick as it is the actual pointer.

It's a fascinating new discovery for me but I can't help feeling dumb for missing it before.

as you should wii nooblet

[Ray Falling]

ZOMG! New Tales of Symphonia 2 screens...>_> at IGN.
I have to say it looks even better than the first :) There's some old and new locations and everything looks super polished.

Must...have...game

[Penfold]

ZOMG! New Tales of Symphonia 2 screens...>_> at IGN.
I have to say it looks even better than the first :) There's some old and new locations and everything looks super polished.

Must...have...game

It pretty much looks the same IMO, not that it's a bad thing. I greatly enjoyed ToS so I'm pretty confident I'm going to enjoy ToS2.

[Imagist]

as you should wii nooblet

You're pathetic.

[Antipode]

Kinda like me - I was never able to use the photo channel because I don't have any SD cards, and I assumed I didn't have any in the message board. I just now discovered that there's been a sample picture in there this whole time which finally let me mess with it. Also, I found that background music page in the slideshow options - there are like 20 songs in there that you don't hear anywhere else on the wii, and it's just in some options button in a mode of one of the channels.

[Captain Huge!]

ZOMG! New Tales of Symphonia 2 screens...>_> at IGN.
I have to say it looks even better than the first :) There's some old and new locations and everything looks super polished.

Must...have...game

woah i didnt know a second one is in the works, I need links DAMNIT! LIIIINKS!!!!!

[eternal Zero]

woah i didnt know a second one is in the works, I need links DAMNIT! LIIIINKS!!!!!

http://ds.ign.com/articles/806/806795p1.html

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_Symphonia:_Knight_of_Ratatosk and http://namco-ch.net/talesofsymphonia_wii/index.php

[Penfold]

woah i didnt know a second one is in the works, I need links DAMNIT! LIIIINKS!!!!!

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/951/951711/imgs_1.html

[Arek the Absolute]

Sucks how more than likely ToS2 and ToI are the only new tales games out of the four that will hit state side. Nintendo went insane with the advertising for ToS when they brought it over, so it wouldn't make sense for them not to do the same for ToS 2. ToI probably will make it here if it isn't a flop like the other tales game for the ds that is so shitty that it doesn't deserve to be called by it's name.

[Captain Huge!]

Thank you.

[Ray Falling]

Sucks how more than likely ToS2 and ToI are the only new tales games out of the four that will hit state side. Nintendo went insane with the advertising for ToS when they brought it over, so it wouldn't make sense for them not to do the same for ToS 2. ToI probably will make it here if it isn't a flop like the other tales game for the ds that is so shitty that it doesn't deserve to be called by it's name.

ToS was a real gem, but did not get any advertising here at all 0_0 (of course Europe sucks).
I remember seeing the trailer on IGN waaay back and I fell in love with the game right away. I imported that sucker as soon as it came out.
It wouldn't hit Europe untill much, much later so I'm kind of worried if ToS2 will make it here at all. ;_;

[Arek the Absolute]

Import + mod my friend.
There are many people here that can help you with that if you need it.

[Ray Falling]

Import + mod my friend.
There are many people here that can help you with that if you need it.

Let's keep that as a last resort :) I'm not really into illegalness >_>

[Bigfoot]

Wow, you can score so much in Strikers Charged compared to Strikers for GC, lol.

[eternal Zero]

Wow, you can score so much in Strikers Charged compared to Strikers for GC, lol.

But is it good? I thought about it, but I have my reservations.

[Rambo]

Wow, you can score so much in Strikers Charged compared to Strikers for GC, lol.


Against computers sure. But human V human, the scores are alot lower thanks to the ability to save superstrikes. The gimmicky stuff threw me off a little bit at first, but being able to turn off/on whatever you like for multiplayer makes this game pretty sweet.

EZ, If you liked the original, I think you'll like this one. If not... maybe, but probably not.

[The Coop]

How can you hate RIII? WHUT DA HELL'S WRONG WITCHU?! :lol:

Anyway, my thoughts on a number of the Genesis and SNES shmups...

9 Thunder Force III- Genesis
10 Lightning Force- Genesis
9 Steel Empire- Genesis
8 Gaiares- Genesis
9 Axelay- SNES
8 Space Megaforce- SNES
8 Whip Rush- Genesis
7 Vapor Trail- Genesis
8 Wings of Wor- Genesis
8 Super R-Type- SNES
7.5 Air Buster- Genesis
8.5 Elemental Master- Genesis
8 Fire Shark- Genesis
8 Hellfire- Genesis
8 Phelios- Genesis
8 Raiden Trad (Genesis)
8.5 Sub Terrania- Genesis
8.5 Granada- Genesis
7 Bio Metal- SNES
9 M.U.S.H.A.- Genesis
7.5 Sagaia- Genesis
7 Forgotten Worlds- Genesis
8 Biohazard Battle- Genesis
7 Phalanx[/i]- SNES
7 Fire Power 2000
8 UN Squadron- SNES
8 Viewpoint- Genesis


And for the ones you played...

8 Gradius III
9 R-Type III: The Third Lightning
5 Thunder Spirits

I just had to go on a tangent here, but what about all shmups period?

A challenge, eh? Well, here's the rest that I can give personal experience "reviews" on for the Genesis and SNES...


-=Genesis=-

6 Arrow Flash
5.5 Battle Squadron
6 Bioship Paladin *
5 Crossfire
8 Curse *
5 Dangerous Seed *
7 Darwin 4081 *
2 Divine Sealing *
9.5 Eliminate Down *
4 Fire Mustang *
9.5 GleyLancer *
6 Grind Stormer
5 Heavy Unit *
6 Insector X
3 Master of Weapons *
7.5 Sagaia +
7.5 Sol-Deace +
8.5 Super Fantasy Zone *
7 Super Space Invaders
7 Task Force Harrier EX +
7.5 Thunder Force II +
6 Trouble Shooter
6 Truxton
8 Twin Cobra +
8 Twin Hawk *
9 Undead Line *
6.5 Vapor Trail
6.5 Verytex *
2 XDR *
8 Zero Wing ** (special note: The PAL version of this one will play just fine on a US system. No Game Genie needed, and famously bad translation included.)



-=SNES=-

7 Aero Fighters +
6.5 Blazeon
6 Darius Twin
3 Dimension Force
4 Raiden
4 Strike Gunner
6.5 Super Earth Defense Force
5 Super Nova

+= Forgot About
*= Japanese Import
**= European Import

[Bahamut]

I meant across all consoles :x

[The Coop]

I meant across all consoles :x

Well, what are the chances of Master System, Sega CD, 32X, Saturn, Dreamcast, PS1, PS2, GBA, GB/GBC, or even N64 shmups (all two or three of them) showing up on the VC? I can't post numbers for the TG-16 ones, as I was never fortunate enough to own that system (though I do play a decent number of the CD ones via Magic Engine, but they're not likely appear on the VC either). NES makes sense (in theory), but listing the rest here would just be a text bomb that doesn't apply to the thread topic, and likely wouldn't be appreciated. But, I'll post some numbers for the NES ones I've played in a bit.


...

Unless of course you're just being sarcastic.

[Bahamut]

Nah, that's what I meant about it being off topic :P .

[The Coop]

Nah, that's what I meant about it being off topic :P .

Not really. The Japanese ones have a good shot at appearing in Japan (or some tricky hackers might get some Japan shmups in The States), and the US ones, here. Someone wanted some shmups to play, and I offered very short opinions on ones that I felt would likely arrive (namely, the better ones) if Nintendo does things right and doesn't ignore the genre as the VC library grows. I planned for the future, and gave him a few (dozen) to possibly keep an eye out for :-)


The list isn't bad right now though. Xevious 7, Star Soldier 6, Gradius 8, and Galaga 8 for the NES is a good start, and R-Type III: The Third Lightning 9 and Gradius III 8 for the SNES are good choices as well. Bio-Hazard Battle 8 for the Genesis seems rather lonely given how many came out for the Genesis, and Super Star Soldier, R-Type 8, Soldier Blade, Ordyne, Dead Moon, Blazing Lasers and Air Zonk is a decent assortment of them for the TG-16. Hopefully they'll crank up the Genesis side of the genre soon, as there are a lot of good ones just waiting in the wings... both US and Japanese.

[Bigfoot]

But is it good? I thought about it, but I have my reservations.

I've only played 2 games so far. It's just as good as the first so far. My friend said it's really easy at first, then it gets insanely hard.

[Rambo]

I've only played 2 games so far. It's just as good as the first so far. My friend said it's really easy at first, then it gets insanely hard.

insanely hard? you're damn fucking right. I don't know what the fuck I'm missing... but I can't beat the fucking game on NORMAL MODE. 6 HOURS LATER STILL ON THE SAME GOD DAMNED FINAL CUP.

I've already broken a few things. This game.. is ridiculous. Fun with friends.... but honestly WHAT THE FUCK!?!???

I don't remember having this much difficulty ever... EVER before with any other game. I love the challenge and all... but there doesn't seem to be much more I can do. It's just fucking frustrating. Maybe the difficulty is intended for 4 very good human players on the same team. I don't know what the hell else this is all about.

[Bigfoot]

insanely hard? you're damn fucking right. I don't know what the fuck I'm missing... but I can't beat the fucking game on NORMAL MODE. 6 HOURS LATER STILL ON THE SAME GOD DAMNED FINAL CUP.

I've already broken a few things. This game.. is ridiculous. Fun with friends.... but honestly WHAT THE FUCK!?!???

I don't remember having this much difficulty ever... EVER before with any other game. I love the challenge and all... but there doesn't seem to be much more I can do. It's just fucking frustrating. Maybe the difficulty is intended for 4 very good human players on the same team. I don't know what the hell else this is all about.

Damn, lol. I just beat Fire Cup, so that shows how far I am into it.

[Rambo]

Damn, lol. I just beat Fire Cup, so that shows how far I am into it.

lol, please let me know when you get to the Striker Cup. Perhaps you'll have some insight as to a strategy of sorts. I swear... as gay as it is... I miss being able to score multiple goals with super strikes in the fire and crystal cup. In one elimination round of Striker Cup... the SOB blocked all 6 of my PERFECTLY TIMED shots. I nearly cried, as you RARELY ever get the time to pull that off... and it lost me the game.

anyway... enjoy! And keep me posted!
while I cool down..... .... ...

[Bahamut]

Sooo....Strikers worth getting?

[Rambo]

Sooo....Strikers worth getting?
Really... if you liked the original, get this one.
Also, if you like getting pissed off over games, get it.

So far it's been ALOT of fun multiplayer.
and ALOT of challenge campaign mode....

Personally I'm more than content having spent 65$ on it.

Edit: wait... was that sarcasm after all of my hate filled comments?

[Bigfoot]

Ok, single-player can suck it. Play 10 rounds, get into the semi finals, lose once and that's it. Gotta start all over.

[Critical Hit]

So is this like FZero GX kind of challenging (very difficult, but still very fun), or just impossibly challenging (skill becomes irrelevant because the comps "cheat," so to speak)...?


...but the multiplayer is awesome apparently. hmmmm... perhaps a rent-before-buy?

[Imagist]

So is this like FZero GX kind of challenging (very difficult, but still very fun), or just impossibly challenging (skill becomes irrelevant because the comps "cheat," so to speak)...?


...but the multiplayer is awesome apparently. hmmmm... perhaps a rent-before-buy?

Just buy it already. Even if you're a wuss and wind up hating the single-player, the multi-player is totally worth it.

[JoeFu]

After I get back from work, I'm going to post my FC. I want to play with people!

[Imagist]

So is anyone else playing Paper Mario on the VC?

I'm trying to beat Kent C. Koopa but for some bloody reason he won't fall over when I put him to sleep. What the hell?

[Critical Hit]

Heh, just beat him last night myself...although I never put him to sleep, I just power bounced him to oblivion and beat him without too much trouble. At any rate I think you're supposed to knock him over, and THEN put him to sleep.

[Penfold]

So is anyone else playing Paper Mario on the VC?

I'm trying to beat Kent C. Koopa but for some bloody reason he won't fall over when I put him to sleep. What the hell?

You're farther than I am, so I can't really be of help. Haven't played for about two weeks either (been in the process of moving, finally gonna be in the new place on Sat), but I've greatly enjoyed it so far. It has a great feel. I understand Super Mario RPG is quite different, but still playing this makes me excited for that game to be released on the VC.

[SilverStar]

So is anyone else playing Paper Mario on the VC?

I'm trying to beat Kent C. Koopa but for some bloody reason he won't fall over when I put him to sleep. What the hell?

Not that far myself.. So far, the only things I don't like about the game, is the lack of witty, 4th-wall humor, and the frequent slowdowns. Including during boss battles(like against General Guy).

I hope Nintendo does something to tweak up their emulator and re-releases the game without the slowdown.

[Imagist]

Heh, just beat him last night myself...although I never put him to sleep, I just power bounced him to oblivion and beat him without too much trouble. At any rate I think you're supposed to knock him over, and THEN put him to sleep.

I would ask how exactly I'm supposed to knock him over, but I figured it out (and it can be done after putting him to sleep): just a good ol' bounce with the action command will do the trick. I kept using my hammer because it's strong enough to actually damage him through all his normal defenses. Silly me, remembering to put him to sleep but not to bounce him onto his back.

Now I've just got to beat the final form of The Master; the rest of the game is a piece of cake.

[KakTheInfected]

So, because I'm lazy I'm not going to bother reading the past few pages of this thread but anyone here have Strikers and want to play today?

[Azul v2]

So hey, I spend 2.5 hours on the twilight palace dungeon in Zelda, including an hour looking for the Big Key since its in the most random, out of the way place ever, get to the end, kill the boss after a long fight, collect the heart piece, then go to the warp portal. I wasn't paying attention and hit "No" when the "would you like to warp" dialouge comes up, and instead of just leaving me there like it should be, it has Link walk out in a cutscene, only that there are stairs there and he can't get past them in the cutscene, so the cutscene is forever looped, you can't skip it, and the only thing to do is reset and guess what, do the entire dungeon again.

Man F that, this game will sit on the shelf for a few weeks because of that. Gay.

[AarowSwift]

So hey, I spend 2.5 hours on the twilight palace dungeon in Zelda, including an hour looking for the Big Key since its in the most random, out of the way place ever, get to the end, kill the boss after a long fight, collect the heart piece, then go to the warp portal. I wasn't paying attention and hit "No" when the "would you like to warp" dialouge comes up, and instead of just leaving me there like it should be, it has Link walk out in a cutscene, only that there are stairs there and he can't get past them in the cutscene, so the cutscene is forever looped, you can't skip it, and the only thing to do is reset and guess what, do the entire dungeon again.

Man F that, this game will sit on the shelf for a few weeks because of that. Gay.

Wow, I've never heard of this one...I'm going to have to try it just to see it.

[Merk]

North American Virtual Console releases today:

Adventures of Lolo (NES) - What is it with HAL and single color spherical characters?
Galaga '90 (T16) - Combine the two common elements of the VC, really old games and Turbografx 16 shmups
Wave Race 64 (N64) - In case Mario Kart 64 has worn out its welcome, now you can race on water

[Drack]

Just dropping by to remind you that the ClanOCR Friend Code Database (http://ocr.anticlan.net/) has a section for Strikers codes.

It's empty, though...

Also, if anyone can produce a 32x32 icon for the game, that would be awesome.

[Penfold]

Wave Race 64 (N64) - In case Mario Kart 64 has worn out its welcome, now you can race on water

:-D

10characters

[KakTheInfected]

I'd get Waverace if they added rumble to it.

[Imagist]

Holy shit Strikers does get hard. I agree with whoever said it must be designed for multiple human players, because it seems that the opponent's AI gets exponentially better with each cup while my sidekicks' AI goes down the drain.

[vega12]

Yeah, I rocked Fire Cup without losing a match, then struggled to make the elimination rounds in Crystal Cup. I lost in the elimination finals :sad:. Maybe I'll bring a few friends over and see how that goes.

What does everyone here use for a team? I'm using Mario right now, with 2 Dry Bones and a Hammer Bros. Thinking of trying Birdo out too.

[KakTheInfected]

Mario/Luigi + Hammer Bros + Koopa Troopa + Dry Bones.

[supremespleen]

Rented Strikers. This is pretty cool. Wouldn't mind trying WiFi sometime today.

[Bigfoot]

Monty Mole and Dry Bones are my favs.

[megadave]

So is anyone else playing Paper Mario on the VC?

I'm trying to beat Kent C. Koopa but for some bloody reason he won't fall over when I put him to sleep. What the hell?

He may be immune, I haven't tried putting him to sleep , so I don't know.

Anyway, I'm having fun with it. I played all the way through about 5 years ago, but I've still died a couple of times (those bloopers in the sewer come right out of nowhere). I love using the Boo ghost - It's fun repeatedly slap the shit out of enemies.

[SilverStar]

He may be immune, I haven't tried putting him to sleep , so I don't know.

Anyway, I'm having fun with it. I played all the way through about 5 years ago, but I've still died a couple of times (those bloopers in the sewer come right out of nowhere). I love using the Boo ghost - It's fun repeatedly slap the shit out of enemies.

You have to double-stomp Kent C. to get him on his back, then you can put him to sleep.

And then I suggest you use a hammer, because my jump was only doing 2 damage, while the hammer was doing a full 8.

[Imagist]

You have to double-stomp Kent C. to get him on his back, then you can put him to sleep.

And then I suggest you use a hammer, because my jump was only doing 2 damage, while the hammer was doing a full 8.

You can put him to sleep before stomping him, which is generally safer because he won't be able to attack you once to begin with. However, either way you won't be doing any real damage to him until Mario's had two whole turns. Also, your hammer was doing more damage because at the point when you can first fight him you have a better hammer than boots. But yes, the hammer is generally better because his defense only takes off damage for the one hit, rather than the two you have in jumping (i.e. it blocks one damage from a six-point hit rather than one damage from each three-point hit). Jumps are only better if you're a master of timing the action command for Power Bounce, in which case you can conceivably down the guy without ever putting him to sleep a second time.

Anyway, that guy was much more a PITA than the final form of The Master, but that may have been because I fought The Master much later on. Not that it made a difference; as long as you have Goombario Ultra-ranked, The Master is actually a POC. C+M-B FTW LOL acronyms. Bowser II was much more annoying because every time I tried to have Goombario Charge more than once or twice, he'd do that annoying-ass impossible-to-block shockwave attack and knock the poor little Goomba out.

But yeah, I beat the game today and it's made me want to play The Thousand-Year Door again.

Rented Strikers. This is pretty cool. Wouldn't mind trying WiFi sometime today.

416718 764967 let's go

[Linkjing Donuts]

ahahaha i like how everyone is at the kent c. koopa part. i just beat him last night, not too bad (i put him to sleep, then did a bunch of shell shots and super charged hammers). i had two deep focuses and a group focus badge equipped, so i did the sleep-then-heal-then-focus routine

[SilverStar]

You can put him to sleep before stomping him, which is generally safer because he won't be able to attack you once to begin with. However, either way you won't be doing any real damage to him until Mario's had two whole turns. Also, your hammer was doing more damage because at the point when you can first fight him you have a better hammer than boots. But yes, the hammer is generally better because his defense only takes off damage for the one hit, rather than the two you have in jumping (i.e. it blocks one damage from a six-point hit rather than one damage from each three-point hit). Jumps are only better if you're a master of timing the action command for Power Bounce, in which case you can conceivably down the guy without ever putting him to sleep a second time.

I just used Goombario's headbutt to knock Kent on his ass before having Mario use the star power to put the guy to sleep. First turn, Kent didn't get a chance to attack at all. Just had Mario continue to pound him while Goombario used focus to rebuild the star power, then repeat.

And there isn't a lot of difference in power between my stomps and my hammer. I have jump and hammer up, plus attack up. There's not a 6 point difference between the attacks, even with a single jump. In fact, I think the hammer was just going right through his defenses.

[Zup]

To beat Kent, I had a lot of luck. And items. And I didn't know you could put him to sleep, so I had to master the defense button pretty well.

And this was just after beating LavaLava Island.

Mario is now exceptionally poor.

[KakTheInfected]

Apparently you can now update your firmware to 3.0 and apparently it makes channel loading much faster. The Wii Shop Channel apparently got a big overhaul too.

I say apparently because I've been downloading for 10 minutes and am at about 15% finished.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Clock Get.

[SilverStar]

Apparently you can now update your firmware to 3.0 and apparently it makes channel loading much faster. The Wii Shop Channel apparently got a big overhaul too.

I say apparently because I've been downloading for 10 minutes and am at about 15% finished.

Ooh, update? *goes to download*

[WesPip]

Ooh, update? *goes to download*
Precisely!
Mine's been going for a bit now.

[Imagist]

I just used Goombario's headbutt to knock Kent on his ass before having Mario use the star power to put the guy to sleep. First turn, Kent didn't get a chance to attack at all. Just had Mario continue to pound him while Goombario used focus to rebuild the star power, then repeat.

And there isn't a lot of difference in power between my stomps and my hammer. I have jump and hammer up, plus attack up. There's not a 6 point difference between the attacks, even with a single jump. In fact, I think the hammer was just going right through his defenses.

Well then I'm not sure what happened, but it didn't go through his defenses. The hammer and jump are both affected by all enemies' defenses. You know his defense goes down when he's knocked over, right?

Also, update? Meh, I'll probably try it tomorrow, because their servers are likely being shot to hell right now and I'm busy plugging away at The Thousand-Year Door.

[SilverStar]

Precisely!
Mine's been going for a bit now.

And.. done. about 6 minutes to download for me.

[Antipode]

Cool update. It said it also affects the Weather Channel, but the only main updates I see are to the News channel and the addition of that clock. It also says there's new search capability in the Shop channel but when I try to connect to it it gives me an error. The error code isn't turning anything up on nintendowifi.com. Anyone else not able to get into the shop channel after the update?

Edit: That clock being off-center is really going to bother me.

[SilverStar]

Cool update. It said it also affects the Weather Channel, but the only main updates I see are to the News channel and the addition of that clock. It also says there's new search capability in the Shop channel but when I try to connect to it it gives me an error. The error code isn't turning anything up on nintendowifi.com. Anyone else not able to get into the shop channel after the update?

Edit: That clock being off-center is really going to bother me.

The error message just means Nintendo's servers are a little overwhelmed right now and to try again later. That's what all of their error messages mean when you're trying to connect to their servers.

The search functions in the shop channel are meh.. you can search by most popular(by downloads, presumably), the highest ranked(chosen by Nintendo, of course), and even an enhanced search, to let you find a game by title search, using just a few letters.

I figure what most of the update really was, was the inclusion of the near-final version of the Mii Popularity channel, so all they have to do is have the user download an enabler and stat file, much like the Everybody Votes channel(very, VERY small download, because most of it was probably force-fed into the 2.2 firmware already).

I guess this was the "big surprise" Reggie was hinting at, in that interview. Bah, if that's all, they can keep it.

[Hylian Lemon]

This question is for people who:

-Own a Gamecube Action Replay disk that previously worked when loaded on the Wii
-Did that whole system update thing everyone's talking about above

Is anyone having problems loading their Action Replay disk now? Mine gives me an error message every time. I don't know if I just got the disk dirty or what, but the fact that it worked yesterday and doesn't work today leads me to suspect the update. Not to mention the fact that some versions of AR never worked on the Wii at all. Meh. Just asking.

[SilverStar]

This question is for people who:

-Own a Gamecube Action Replay disk that previously worked when loaded on the Wii
-Did that whole system update thing everyone's talking about above

Is anyone having problems loading their Action Replay disk now? Mine gives me an error message every time. I don't know if it's just something to do with my disk or not, but the fact that it worked yesterday and doesn't work today leads me to suspect the update. Meh. Just asking.

Anti-piracy measures, most likely. the Action Replay could be used to bypass region/legit disc detection. So, by disabling the disc(they did it with the WiiKey update CD as well, I hear), it locks it down against piracy.

[megadave]

You have to double-stomp Kent C. to get him on his back, then you can put him to sleep.

And then I suggest you use a hammer, because my jump was only doing 2 damage, while the hammer was doing a full 8.

Ha. I just fought 'em last night. What a big fat bastard! No wonder I didn't "remember" how to stop him. He left me with 5 hit points and 7 flower points before I finished him off. Really close call.


When I switched my character to Bombette and used the bomb technique after knocking him on his back, things got a little easier.

[Muskweeto]

Has anyone noticed the ad for the Nintendo DS lite in Wave Race for the VC? you can see it on a banner at the beginning of the port blue course and it's behind the racers at the end when they're standing on the pedestal. small change but it's a nice touch.

[SilverStar]

Has anyone noticed the ad for the Nintendo DS lite in Wave Race for the VC? you can see it on a banner at the beginning of the port blue course and it's behind the racers at the end when they're standing on the pedestal. small change but it's a nice touch.

They also advertise the Wii.

[Antipode]

I heard it's because of the advertising for Kawasaki that used to be there - they had to remove all of it and replace it with other stuff.

[KWarp]

Boogie is due to release on Wii quite soon. Is anyone getting it? I'm holding off until a few reviews from publications.

[Imagist]

So PM: The Thousand-Year Door is a lot more fun than I remembered it being. I always thought it was a decent game but paled in comparison to its predecessor, but now I'm thinking it's almost on par. While it has a different comedic flair to it that brings the story and characters down below the original (the change can basically be summed up as "they're trying too hard"; much of the humor of Paper Mario seemed unintentional and was thus more hilarious), other aspects of the game are much improved. The action commands work so much better and have much more interesting and diverse variations, puzzles are in general more complex due to the wealth of new moves that don't rely on partners (although everything's still fairly predictable), and I just love the addition of the audience and the tolerable (when compared to, say, Paper Mario) sense of randomness it presents in many battles. I mean, just when you think the whole mode of fighting has become stale, boring routine, a member of the audience throws a poison mushroom at you, or a bucket falls on your head without warning--and there's almost no better feeling in this game than nailing the action command slots and seeing tons of little creatures rushing to fill in the empty seats.

and guy this post is totally ontopic I mean the wii takes gcn discs cmon

[The Mutericator]

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/07/geometry-wars-galaxies-might-be-giant/

Dammit, now I need this game, despite only having played Gravity Wars before.

Also:

http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2007/08/07/revolutionary-support-our-cyber-troopers/

Scroll down to the second video and enjoy. I think I'm going to make this happen somehow.

[Effector]

http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2007/08/07/revolutionary-support-our-cyber-troopers/

Scroll down to the second video and enjoy. I think I'm going to make this happen somehow.

My god...

I think I came.

But I'm too busy researching how to do this on my own computer to check and find out. I need this to happen, NOW.

[dsx100]

This question is for people who:

-Own a Gamecube Action Replay disk that previously worked when loaded on the Wii
-Did that whole system update thing everyone's talking about above

Is anyone having problems loading their Action Replay disk now? Mine gives me an error message every time. I don't know if I just got the disk dirty or what, but the fact that it worked yesterday and doesn't work today leads me to suspect the update. Not to mention the fact that some versions of AR never worked on the Wii at all. Meh. Just asking.

Damn, that is what happened to me as well. Right after that update. I found out later that the update limits anything that technically modifies the wii. For me, it isn't too bad. The only game I have ever used it for was F-Zero GX.

[Bigfoot]

Got myself some cool signs from work. I love this art style so much for some reason.

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/1521/strikers1pm1.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/263/strikers2eq5.jpg

[SilverStar]

Hey, according to Kotaku, the update included USB keyboard support.

Guess we'll be seeing an update to the browser soon, with bug fixes and feature "enhancements".

[KWarp]

We probably won't hear anything from Nintendo until the Tokyo Game Show at the earliest. Oh well.

[Hylian Lemon]

Well, that's just great. I guess I'll be giving my Action Replay to my cousin, then.

Curse you, Nintendo. Sigh...

Those Mario Strikers Charged signs are pretty hot. I like that art style too.

I just love the addition of the audience and the tolerable (when compared to, say, Paper Mario) sense of randomness it presents in many battles. I mean, just when you think the whole mode of fighting has become stale, boring routine, a member of the audience throws a poison mushroom at you, or a bucket falls on your head without warning--and there's almost no better feeling in this game than nailing the action command slots and seeing tons of little creatures rushing to fill in the empty seats.
I always get really mad when the crazed audience is jumping all over the place and I can't see the enemy that's attacking me. Besides that, though, it's cool. You can refill your star power a lot faster than in Paper Mario just by doing stylish moves; that's always good.

[supremespleen]

Lag really ruins Strikers matches.

[Imagist]

Lag really ruins Strikers matches.

less than 4-bar connection = rejection

[Dem]

less than 4-bar connection = rejection

I tried it once last night with a five-star connection and lost the connection right before the game started ... ... ...

[Hylian Lemon]

My DS gets a better connection than my Wii...and from farther away, too. I swear, the Wii refuses to even connect unless it has a clear path to all that wireless internetty stuff. The DS works fine all the way up in my room.

[supremespleen]

My DS gets a better connection than my Wii...and from farther away, too. I swear, the Wii refuses to even connect unless it has a clear path to all that wireless internetty stuff. The DS works fine all the way up in my room.You have to clear the air to make room for the wifis.

[megadave]

You have to clear the air to make room for the wifis.

Yes, open your windows, spray some Febreeze and everything should be fine.

[The Damned]

On your wireless router, there is an option to switch which band of frequencies your router uses to communicate with devices. Try setting it to one of the higher or lower bands. This should clear up any signal issues, as well as give you a noticeable increase in speed.

I had to do it for the update, and god damn, it went from three tries and never got anywhere, to done in ten minutes.

[KWarp]

Interesting fact about Wii's USB keyboard support: This is the first time in the Wii's young life that a PS2 port has been rejected.

http://stooge.myftp.org/images/ps2.jpg

[The Damned]

Interesting fact about Wii's USB keyboard support: This is the first time in the Wii's young life that a PS2 port has been rejected.

http://stooge.myftp.org/images/ps2.jpg
<Comedy drumbeat here>

[Brithor]

<Comedy drumbeat here>

I don't get it. :(

[Penfold]

I don't get it. :(

It's ok, it took me a while too...

[megadave]

Does not compute. Send request for elaboration.

[Effector]

USB keyboards vs. PS/2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS/2_connector) keyboards.

And the fact that the Wii gets a lot of old PS2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2) ports...

[Arek the Absolute]

August is now dubbed month of Metroid.

Nintendo is celebrating the soon to be released Metroid Prime 3 by dedicating a whole month to it.

Check out the Wii shopping channel for a new "channel" dedicated to demos for Metroid Prime 3, along with info about both the Virtual Console releases of Metroid and Super Metroid.

[SilverStar]

August is now dubbed month of Metroid.

Nintendo is celebrating the soon to be released Metroid Prime 3 by dedicating a whole month to it.

Check out the Wii shopping channel for a new "channel" dedicated to demos for Metroid Prime 3, along with info about both the Virtual Console releases of Metroid and Super Metroid.

Funny thing.. just yesterday, IGN had an anti-hype article, about how there's been NO hype from Nintendo about MP3.. and now, an entire bloody channel devoted to it! o.o

[megadave]

Ha ha, IGN just ridiculed themselves. Either that, or it was an elaborate joke.

Anyway, this is cool news. I'm glad to be getting updates of any kind. Keep sending us shit, Nintendo. Now, if only I can kind my copy of Super Metroid before I blow 8 bucks on the virtual console.

[supremespleen]

The Metroid channel is cool, and that first trailer gave me chills with the get behind the helmet one last time bit.
I wish there was more to it that channel, though. Would it kill them to just release a demo or something?

[AarowSwift]

Ha ha, IGN just ridiculed themselves. Either that, or it was an elaborate joke.

Anyway, this is cool news. I'm glad to be getting updates of any kind. Keep sending us shit, Nintendo. Now, if only I can kind my copy of Super Metroid before I blow 8 bucks on the virtual console.

Hardly. There needs to be more in the way of advertising than a Wii channel. As cool as it is, it requires people make the effort to look at it and it doesn't sell to people who don't yet have a Wii (who are holding off for the release of "Good Games"). I still agree with IGN's take that advertising for Metroid Prime 3 is, as of yet, lacking. The Wii channel is simply a step in the right direction as are the VC releases (which were fully expected). Let's see a few more steps. I for one don't want to see Prime 3 overlooked like Prime 2 was.

This is my favorite series, I want it to sell like mad.

[NeoForte]

Hardly. There needs to be more in the way of advertising than a Wii channel. As cool as it is, it requires people make the effort to look at it and it doesn't sell to people who don't yet have a Wii (who are holding off for the release of "Good Games"). I still agree with IGN's take that advertising for Metroid Prime 3 is, as of yet, lacking. The Wii channel is simply a step in the right direction as are the VC releases (which were fully expected). Let's see a few more steps. I for one don't want to see Prime 3 overlooked like Prime 2 was.

This is my favorite series, I want it to sell like mad.

Most of the heavy advertisements for most of Nintendo's big hitters don't start till two weeks or so before the game even launches. Its surprising now every Wii connected to the internet knows about the channel, might check it out and increase the awareness. I bet ya starting next week you'll be seeing commercials with those 2 japanese dudes saying "We would like to play" and *insert cheesy Metroid Playing*.

[Sir_NutS]

This is a slap to IGN indeed. But I do agree with them at some level, as in, I saw far more advertisement with the first metroid prime, and back then everyone thought it was a bad idea. Now that everyone knows it's a solid game is when they should have hyped the shit out of it. It's the game that will prove that Wiimote FPS controls are better than a controller, after all.

[megadave]

Yeah, ya'll are pretty much right. Nintendo has the Wii owners stoked for this game. Everyone else, eh, not so much. I bet some commercials will appear for this game. If they do not, then it's all Nintendo's fault. After all, if Harry Potter for Wii gets a theater ad, then Metroid Prime definitely deserves at least the same level of publicity.

[JoeFu]

I just read that Metroid is next monday and Super Metroid is the 20th... Nintendo is hyping up MP3 I guess, which is awesome. I can't wait.. too bad the game comes out right after my school starts :(.

[NeoForte]

Nintendo's not stupid. It knows it needs to get this out in the open just like Zelda when the Wii launched. You'll be seeing commercials, ads in game magazines and all over game sites. This game is hype, its just been dormant for a while. It will pick up steam as more details of the game are released towards the release. And yes rumors are Metroid this coming week and Super Metroid the week after (apperantly Europe got Breath of Fire II today I think :( ).

[Penfold]

I just read that Metroid is next monday and Super Metroid is the 20th...

That would make me so happy. Is it confirmed?

[supremespleen]

That would make me so happy. Is it confirmed?Yes.
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[anthonium]

August is now dubbed month of Metroid.

Nintendo is celebrating the soon to be released Metroid Prime 3 by dedicating a whole month to it.

Check out the Wii shopping channel for a new "channel" dedicated to demos for Metroid Prime 3, along with info about both the Virtual Console releases of Metroid and Super Metroid.

Cool. It'd be even better if they put a playable demo.

[Bigfoot]

Nintendo definitely needs some commercials for this game. I know a few people that don't have their Wii hooked up to the internet, so they won't see this preview channel.

[Cecilff2]

Yeah...I only have a 56k connection as this place is out of the DSL service range. Would be nice to see some of this stuff.

[Bigfoot]

Also, it'd be cool if that image you got to reveal could be used as a wallpaper or something.

[supremespleen]

Also, it'd be cool if that image you got to reveal could be used as a wallpaper or something.YES. I've been dying for a system update that allows customization of the appearance of the Wii interface.

[AarowSwift]

Also, it'd be cool if that image you got to reveal could be used as a wallpaper or something.

It'd be cool if you could DL themes for the Wii in the form of WiiWare. Something Winamp-esque. I'd love to deck out the Wii menu in a Metroid theme.

[The Damned]

It'd be cool if you could DL themes for the Wii in the form of WiiWare. Something Winamp-esque. I'd love to deck out the Wii menu in a Metroid theme.

Quote for "Fuck, yeah!"

Nintendo: this.

[megadave]

Excellent idea. And maybe different musics?

[Soma]

Those 2 videos weren't that impressive to me. I like metroid, i beat prime and own 2, but I'm just not sure i want to get corruption. What's so new and exciting about this one besides the control scheme and the dark samus thing?

[Bigfoot]

Those 2 videos weren't that impressive to me. I like metroid, i beat prime and own 2, but I'm just not sure i want to get corruption. What's so new and exciting about this one besides the control scheme and the dark samus thing?

Probably just a better game overall. Plus, we get to finally see the end of the Prime series.

[supremespleen]

Those 2 videos weren't that impressive to me. I like metroid, i beat prime and own 2, but I'm just not sure i want to get corruption. What's so new and exciting about this one besides the control scheme and the dark samus thing?I like the fact that they've added Samus interacting with other characters. Should make the game a bit less lonely.

[Bigfoot]

I like the fact that they've added Samus interacting with other characters. Should make the game a bit less lonely.

But she's supposed to be the lone bounty hunter though :[ I must admit though, I almost got pissed off when I heard the woman's voice in the first video. I almost thought they gave Samus a voice, so I had to turn up the volume a little bit to hear what she was saying haha.

[Neo Samus]

Damn I just found out about this...but I can't download it because I'm house sitting with my fiancee for her Mom, and they don't have Wifi. I have to wait till sunday to see it!! Crap!!!!

[Red Shadow]

you can set the wii up by wire too, lest youve forgotten

[megadave]

Those 2 videos weren't that impressive to me. I like metroid, i beat prime and own 2, but I'm just not sure i want to get corruption. What's so new and exciting about this one besides the control scheme and the dark samus thing?

The control scheme itself is badass, including turning doors with your hands and all kinds of crazy stuff. You start out with a bunch of items, which you don't lose after the intro stage. There's a ton of voice acting, you can use your ship to aid you in battle, you travel across several planets, there is a new hyper mode system, you don't switch guns - instead you have a stack system like Super Metroid, the graphics are significantly improved, new enemies, new worlds, new attacks, more cinematics and story elements, and a fight with Ridley whilst decending down a bottomless pit, oh yeah - And it's a Metroid game -

Hm, besides that, I don't really care to play this game.

[KakTheInfected]

I just got home and downloaded so excuse the "HOLY SHIT...NINTENDO DID THIS?" but wow. That's really unexpected of them.

The trailer looks amazing. It's good to see the game getting some marketing.

[SilverStar]

So then.. is THIS what Reggie was saying?

Or are we going to maybe wind up with something like this for Smash Bros as well?

Because that'd be outright pimp. A Wii version of the Smash Bros website, with some exclusive content and maybe even some sort of minigames to get people in the mood.

And they should also do it for Mario Galaxy.

Also, something I realized.. this could be used to great effect, to create.. add-on games. When you own the game, just put it in then launch an add-on channel for it, to gain things like.. a whole multiplayer type game, that just uses the in-game resources, re-mapped in a whole new way, to save things like start-up time of launching the game itself.

[anthonium]

Well for those who don't have their Wiis connected to the net, you can watch what the Metroid channel on the Wii looks like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Ur_NJPfdk

[Rambo]

Well for those who don't have their Wiis connected to the net, you can watch what the Metroid channel on the Wii looks like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Ur_NJPfdk

thank you very much. :wink:

[Neo Samus]

you can set the wii up by wire too, lest youve forgotten

Yeah I know. But I can't afford a LAN adaptor at the moment....

[Soma]

The control scheme itself is badass, including turning doors with your hands and all kinds of crazy stuff. You start out with a bunch of items, which you don't lose after the intro stage. There's a ton of voice acting, you can use your ship to aid you in battle, you travel across several planets, there is a new hyper mode system, you don't switch guns - instead you have a stack system like Super Metroid, the graphics are significantly improved, new enemies, new worlds, new attacks, more cinematics and story elements, and a fight with Ridley whilst decending down a bottomless pit, oh yeah - And it's a Metroid game -

Hm, besides that, I don't really care to play this game.
Those are some good points. The stacking system from SM should be a welcome addition. i'll probably pick it up at some point. But Persona 3 is coming out, and jam sessions is soon too.

[dsx100]

Just connected and got the Metroid Prime 3 channel. All I have to say is, "That is the best video game trailer have seen in a long time!". Can't wait till 8/13 and definately can't wait till 8/27.

[Imagist]

Just connected and got the Metroid Prime 3 channel. All I have to say is, "That is the best video game trailer have seen in a long time!". Can't wait till 8/13 and definately can't wait till 8/27.

I think the best thing about this advertising kick is it's gotten Nintendo to finally release Super Metroid on VC.

Super fuckin' Metroid!

There go the 800 points I was saving for Earthbound.

[Antipode]

Regarding the new channel:

My brother and I simultaneously slapped our hands to our faces as the narrator lady said "and the worst part is...she LIKES it." Urrrgggh. Still, I like the channel, and it's a cool idea. But why don't they just implement a fully-featured Video Channel and release demo vids of all games, including virtual console? It couldn't hurt and it would really be pretty easy.

Also, I second the cry of "super fuckin' metroid". Now all I need is Mario RPG, Chrono Trigger, Goldeneye, and maybe DKC3 and I'm SET. (And yeah, I know we're not ever going to see goldeneye and CT is unlikely.)

[Bigfoot]

What Nintendo needs to do is just have a VC channel where you select your games instead of them just being everywhere.

[Imagist]

Because that hasn't been suggested before. A billion times.

[Bigfoot]

Because that hasn't been suggested before. A billion times.

Still, it's a great suggestion.

[Imagist]

Still, it's a great suggestion.

No argument there, although I think I prefer the "make each console its own channel" bit to "make the Virtual Console its own channel."

[megadave]

Did anyone notice the innuendo in the Metroid Prime 3 trailer? "What she fears most is that she LIKES it"

[Linkjing Donuts]

one last mission?

[AarowSwift]

Did anyone notice the innuendo in the Metroid Prime 3 trailer? "What she fears most is that she LIKES it"

A cringe worthy attempt at edgy advertising, nothing more.

[dsx100]

Well the story seems very interesting. Also I remeber reading an interview in Nintendo Power where one of guys at retro said that fact that she starts to enjoy the so-called coruption ands up playing a big part in the story later. I really like the stories for all the metroid games and this one is definately no exception. Also can't wait for metroid and super metroid to hit VC.

[Arek the Absolute]

Someone mind PMing me spoilers for Metroid Prime 2? I could never finish that game. Took too much of my patience and I couldn't stand it.

[Linkjing Donuts]

also, i hope they have another us trailer where everything looked real and awesome (like the first prime and fusion commercials)

[Bigfoot]

Someone mind PMing me spoilers for Metroid Prime 2? I could never finish that game. Took too much of my patience and I couldn't stand it.

You could always watch a speed run of the game :P at least it'll make you kinda feel like you played it, lol.

[supremespleen]

You could always watch a speed run of the game :P at least it'll make you kinda feel like you played it, lol.And Wikipedia probably has plot summaries. That's what I'm going to do.

[Antipode]

You know, Metroid Prime was a great game, and it was probably one of my favorite games of all time. But Prime 2 was also a great game, and I think it was WAY underrated. A lot of people talk about how bad it was compared to the first one and while it wasn't AS good, I don't see how you couldn't even have the patience to finish it.

Anyway, just as a random aside, the VC is reminding me how hard Link to the Past was for me to beat as a kid and how much harder it is compared to the modern games...

[Bigfoot]

You know, Metroid Prime was a great game, and it was probably one of my favorite games of all time. But Prime 2 was also a great game, and I think it was WAY underrated. A lot of people talk about how bad it was compared to the first one and while it wasn't AS good, I don't see how you couldn't even have the patience to finish it.


I guess some people just don't like a challenge :P j/k I think a lot of people just hate backtracking.

Also, I just thought about something. Since Retro was able to implement the Screw Attack and wall jumping in MP2, I wonder if we'll maybe see the Speed Booster in MP3? That'd be pretty cool to see, but they'll probably make it so we'd have to make a running motion with the Wii Controller/Nunchuck if they did.

[Antipode]

Aren't you just faster and more powerful in hyper mode?

Haha, if they did implement it somehow, MP3 would make for some interesting speedruns...

[SilverStar]

Aren't you just faster and more powerful in hyper mode?

Haha, if they did implement it somehow, MP3 would make for some interesting speedruns...

The hyper mode corrupts. I think you can only use it so much, with the effects being cumulative, before something critical happens.

[AarowSwift]

I think the "problem" with Echoes was it was more challenging to navigate. The world had a much more gnarled and maze-like layout which, coupled with the dark version and the need to jump between worlds, was too much for some people. The wimps. Seriously, I find myself impatient while traveling through it sometimes, especially when I just want to get from point A to point B quickly. I'm actually replaying Echoes right now, just got the Spider Ball. This will be my 3rd...maybe 4th time through the game. I still love it and it improved over the first in a lot of areas, but it is more frustrating working your way through the environments.

I think the dark world maybe pushed it into overkill and turned some people off of it. Especially these days when far too many gamers want everything spoon fed to them and immediately gratifying, no patience, rather than work at getting anywhere. They'd never have survived the 8 bit days.

Edit: For the record, I'm celebrating the release of Prime 3 by playing all of the Metroids I own this month. Zero Mission and Prime 1 are finished, working on Echoes, next up Super Metroid then Fusion to finish it.

[Brushfire]

I was lookin at the screens for MP3 and I gotta say I am thorougly impressed by what I saw. Hopefully they wont screw up the controls.

[Imagist]

The only reason I hate Prime 2 is because I was going for the 100% log book, and only after I've saved in the Ing mothership or whatever do I discover that I missed the scans for the keyholes or whatever before unlocking thing. Damn did that piss me off, because I'd gotten everything else up to that point.

EDIT: In response to Brushfire, the only way the controls could upset me is if the game is entirely unplayable. I figure if they screw up Prime they've still got chances to make things right with Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. Brawl. Only in the case of all three games being total control flops (which seems unlikely given the massive amount of positive reviews and good media we've seen for all three games so far) will I give up and declare the Wiimote a worthless gimmick.

[Bigfoot]

The only reason I hate Prime 2 is because I was going for the 100% log book, and only after I've saved in the Ing mothership or whatever do I discover that I missed the scans for the keyholes or whatever before unlocking thing. Damn did that piss me off, because I'd gotten everything else up to that point.

I did the same thing in Prime 1. Totally forgot the Ice Shriek Bat, haha. Didn't even realize it until nearly the end of the game.

[Antipode]

I can't play Prime or Prime 2 without going as fast as I possibly can (I've gotten it down to almost 6 and 8 hours respectively with no sequence breaking). Sometimes I even reset if I take too long to do something. I'm not sure why, as the first time I played both I really took my time and scanned and made sure to look at and appreciate everything. Of course I won't rush Prime 3 my first time, but I wonder how fast it will be possible to beat once I know the game really well, especially compared to the first two.

[KWarp]

The IGN boards have some interesting commentary on Metroid Prime 3...

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I mean, watching the Trailer, I can't help but to think of Spider-Man 3...it says that Samus is being corrupted and what scares her is that she Likes it...

Peter Park: "...It feels good.."

Phazon = Symbiote.

Samus = Peter.

We are gonna see an Emo Samus Aran.


I have an image in my head of Samus with jet-black hair, pale makeup and dark mascara, posting in her livejournal.

"hi guys.

today was the worst day ever. that ***hole Ridley broke my armor again.
now I have to find all the pieces.

life sucks."


Emo Samus Pics please.


sounds kinda hot to me


Samus doesn't have a penisneither does parker. :lmassoff:


Remember, kids: don't be an emo kid. Cut along the arm, not across.

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[SilverStar]

Hehe.. that's cute.

But, I think they should have done something about Zero Mission.. they should have held off on the Shinespark/speedbooster until this game, since it would almost be viable, as an effect of the corruption changing her.

[dsx100]

I think the "problem" with Echoes was it was more challenging to navigate. The world had a much more gnarled and maze-like layout which, coupled with the dark version and the need to jump between worlds, was too much for some people. The wimps. Seriously, I find myself impatient while traveling through it sometimes, especially when I just want to get from point A to point B quickly. I'm actually replaying Echoes right now, just got the Spider Ball. This will be my 3rd...maybe 4th time through the game. I still love it and it improved over the first in a lot of areas, but it is more frustrating working your way through the environments.

I think the dark world maybe pushed it into overkill and turned some people off of it. Especially these days when far too many gamers want everything spoon fed to them and immediately gratifying, no patience, rather than work at getting anywhere. They'd never have survived the 8 bit days.

Edit: For the record, I'm celebrating the release of Prime 3 by playing all of the Metroids I own this month. Zero Mission and Prime 1 are finished, working on Echoes, next up Super Metroid then Fusion to finish it.

I'm actually doing the same thing. I'm on Metroid Prime 2 right know except at the point where I am about to get the light suit. I'm also doing it on hard. Sheesh, people complain about it being to hard on normal, hard mode is really something. I am going to try and finish Metroid and Super Metroid before MP 3 comes out.

I also totaly agree with what you said about MP 2. You really have to do alot of work in that game that may be why people don't like it (or give it a chance), aside from the Difficultly which I actually don't find very hard at all. I'm actually known for having a lot of patientence, so I quess thats why MP 2's gameplay didn't bother me much.

[Zombie]

I really liked echoes. Almost more than Prime 1, I think. You feel more like you "accomplished" something when you beat it because of the increased difficulty.

[The Mutericator]

I think the "problem" with Echoes was it was more challenging to navigate. The world had a much more gnarled and maze-like layout which, coupled with the dark version and the need to jump between worlds, was too much for some people. The wimps. Seriously, I find myself impatient while traveling through it sometimes, especially when I just want to get from point A to point B quickly. I'm actually replaying Echoes right now, just got the Spider Ball. This will be my 3rd...maybe 4th time through the game. I still love it and it improved over the first in a lot of areas, but it is more frustrating working your way through the environments.

I think the dark world maybe pushed it into overkill and turned some people off of it. Especially these days when far too many gamers want everything spoon fed to them and immediately gratifying, no patience, rather than work at getting anywhere. They'd never have survived the 8 bit days.

Edit: For the record, I'm celebrating the release of Prime 3 by playing all of the Metroids I own this month. Zero Mission and Prime 1 are finished, working on Echoes, next up Super Metroid then Fusion to finish it.

No. It was the Spider Ball Boss. The rest of the game was just the right difficulty, but it was that GOD DAMNED SPIDER BALL BOSS.

Also, the Boost Ball Guardian on Hard Mode has me stuck.

EDIT: PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT HARD METROID GAMES? Try this, you will love hating it: http://drewseph.zophar.net/

[AarowSwift]

No. It was the Spider Ball Boss. The rest of the game was just the right difficulty, but it was that GOD DAMNED SPIDER BALL BOSS.

Also, the Boost Ball Guardian on Hard Mode has me stuck.

EDIT: PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT HARD METROID GAMES? Try this, you will love hating it: http://drewseph.zophar.net/

Heh, yeah, the Boost Ball Guardian and The Spider Ball Guardian can be tough...but it's the Alpha Blogg That always nearly kills me (and occasionally succeeds). On this particular run, I finished that thing will 4 health points left on my last energy tank.

[SilverStar]

No. It was the Spider Ball Boss. The rest of the game was just the right difficulty, but it was that GOD DAMNED SPIDER BALL BOSS.

Also, the Boost Ball Guardian on Hard Mode has me stuck.

EDIT: PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT HARD METROID GAMES? Try this, you will love hating it: http://drewseph.zophar.net/

I hate the spider guardian with a passion. You don't take much damage, but the timing is a whore.

[supremespleen]

I am considering getting Metroid on VC this monday. What's another kickass NES game to get? Kid Icarus? I want something that will last me awhile and isn't brutal as far as game saving goes.

[Imagist]

I've never understood how people had problems with the Boost Ball Guardian, much less the Spider Ball Guardian.

[Bigfoot]

I don't remember having any trouble with the spider-ball guardian, just the boost ball guardian.

[Rambo]

I don't remember having any trouble with the spider-ball guardian, just the boost ball guardian.
Same. And ALOT of trouble.

I've never understood how people had problems with the Boost Ball Guardian, much less the Spider Ball Guardian.
Have you played it on Hard Mode? The boost guardian was tolerable in normal... but Hard was a BITCH. Must've tried that shit close to 20 times over before completing.

[Bigfoot]

Must've tried that shit close to 20 times over before completing.

That's no exaggeration either :P Sounds about right, haha.

[dsx100]

That's no exaggeration either :P Sounds about right, haha.

Hell yes, boost guardian is really tough on hard mode. It took me about 15 or 17 trys before I beat it. Guadraxis is also pretty tough. As of now, those where the only two bosses I had trouble with in hard mode. The rest (including spider guardian) where easy.

By the way, Metroid comes out on VC today. Can't wait to get it.

[Cecilff2]

Which one was spider guardian? I remember Boost being really annoying. But have no recollection of spider guardian. Must not have been a problem for me.

[SilverStar]

Which one was spider guardian? I remember Boost being really annoying. But have no recollection of spider guardian. Must not have been a problem for me.

A virtual non-boss, where you're in morphball form the entire time. You have to trigger all the targets fast enough, and hit the guardian with your bombs.

No big intro or anything to that boss, it's just sorta.. there, waiting for you.

[Merk]

North American Virtual Console releases today:

Metroid (NES): OMG U R A GIRL
Shining in the Darkness (GEN): A dungeon crawler that looks like it came from the 8-bit generation
Cratermaze (T16): Bomberman - Bombs + Digging + Treasures

[Penfold]

I am considering getting Metroid on VC this monday. What's another kickass NES game to get? Kid Icarus? I want something that will last me awhile and isn't brutal as far as game saving goes.

Personally, I'd recommend getting Punch-Out!! over Kid Icarus. Can't go wrong with that game IMO.

[Bigfoot]

North American Virtual Console releases today:

Metroid (NES): OMG U R A GIRL

SPOILER TAGS PLEASE, GOSH

[supremespleen]

Personally, I'd recommend getting Punch-Out!! over Kid Icarus. Can't go wrong with that game IMO.Yeah, that's what a lot of people say. I'm kind of reluctant, I mean I already have Wii boxing... another boxing game?!

Any other totally awesomely noteworthy NES games? I'm considering Ninja Gaiden. It's just that people go on and on and on about how awesome Kid Icarus is. I've watched videos, doesn't look that mindblowing to me.

[Merk]

SPOILER TAGS PLEASE, GOSH

Funny, I originally wrote it with but then removed them because I didn't want people to think I thought they'd actually work.

[supremespleen]

Eh, I'm just gonna wait for Super Metroid.

edit: my brother wants to order super mario world - is the gamecube control on that okay?

[Imagist]

Eh, I'm just gonna wait for Super Metroid.

Same here. I don't really have any desire to play Metroid yet again, but I've never played Super Metroid properly (that is, on a console, with a decent controller).

Anyone check out the new MP3 videos today?

[Hylian Lemon]

edit: my brother wants to order super mario world - is the gamecube control on that okay?
I don't think so...but I haven't played it. I just seem to remember people saying things about how it's impossible to press X/Y and B at the same time.

Really, it's possible. You just have to do this awkward finger position. I did it with Donkey Kong Country. :P

Anyone check out the new MP3 videos today?
When I checked, they weren't up...

[dsx100]

Now that I think about it, I kind of wish Nintendo would have released a localized version of the japanese version of Metroid on VC. I just think it would be a lot easier to use a save system(Japan) rather than a code system(US). Either way I'm buying the game. I feel like kicking Motherbrain's ass.

[Imagist]

When I checked, they weren't up...

Yeah, I just assumed they would be. It's 8/13, Nintendo, so where are the vids?

[Penfold]

Now that I think about it, I kind of wish Nintendo would have released a localized version of the japanese version of Metroid on VC. I just think it would be a lot easier to use a save system(Japan) rather than a code system(US). Either way I'm buying the game. I feel like kicking Motherbrain's ass.

You make it sound like you won't be beating it in one sitting :-P. j/k

Anyway, at least unless someone else plays the game between you playing it (or you reset the game), you get that pseudo-save state effect on the VC so you won't have to enter codes every time you pick up the game.

[Bigfoot]

Funny, I originally wrote it with but then removed them because I didn't want people to think I thought they'd actually work.

I was being sarcastic anyway :P If anyone doesn't know Samus is a girl, then they have been living under a rock.

I am considering getting Metroid on VC this monday. What's another kickass NES game to get? Kid Icarus? I want something that will last me awhile and isn't brutal as far as game saving goes.

If you get Kid Icarus, you might notice it plays a lot like Metroid ;)

[Effector]

So, yeah. Where are our MP3 videos? I checked this morning when I got up, and just 5 minutes ago... At what time on 8/13 do we get them?

[Imagist]

So, yeah. Where are our MP3 videos? I checked this morning when I got up, and just 5 minutes ago... At what time on 8/13 do we get them?

I'm willing to bet they intended to update with them the same time they update the Wii Shop, but ran into technical difficulties.

[supremespleen]

I don't think so...but I haven't played it. I just seem to remember people saying things about how it's impossible to press X/Y and B at the same time.Why would you have to do that? I mean, don't all you have to do is hit one button to jump and stuff?

[SilverStar]

/sadpanda

Come on Nintendo.. I've been waiting all day to see the new videos. :(

[SilverStar]

Why would you have to do that? I mean, don't all you have to do is hit one button to jump and stuff?

Super Mario World? No, you need to be able to run and jump.

Plus there's 2 types of jump. Regular, and spin jump.

The game is pretty well unplayable with the GC controller.

[Imagist]

Just shell out the $20 for the Classic Controller. It's very much worth it for many many games (including, I guarantee, Super Metroid).

[Bigfoot]

Just shell out the $20 for the Classic Controller. It's very much worth it for many many games (including, I guarantee, Super Metroid).

I'll second this. You can also control the cursor on your Wii with the CC too lol. The controller is pretty damn comfortable too.

[Imagist]

I'll second this. You can also control the cursor on your Wii with the CC too lol. The controller is pretty damn comfortable too.

Note that the classic controller only works with the main Wii menus and the intro menus to channels (where they have a splash page with the "Wii Menu" and "Start" buttons), not any channels like Mii, Photo, Wii Shop or any downloadable channels.

Regardless, it's a damn handy feature when all you want to do it turn on the Wii and go straight into some VC game without pointing and clicking. And the controller is really, really comfortable for most people.

[Antipode]

Just keep that gc controller handy for some of the n64 games - in some cases it's a much better fit than the CC. But seriously, how hard is it to detect when there's a GC controller and just remap the buttons to make it PLAYABLE? When I have to jump with my thumb and run with my index finger in DKC2, there's something seriously wrong. I'll fall into the trap and get the CC too, just so I can play my damn games. Also, I'm not really waiting with bated breath for these Prime 3 vids - we've probably seen the footage already on IGN anyway. Just check later tonight.

Got a question - does the CC have a wire to connect to the Wii or is it wireless? I sit far enough back from my TV that a wired controller might not be an option.

[Imagist]

Just keep that gc controller handy for some of the n64 games - in some cases it's a much better fit than the CC. But seriously, how hard is it to detect when there's a GC controller and just remap the buttons to make it PLAYABLE? When I have to jump with my thumb and run with my index finger in DKC2, there's something seriously wrong. I'll fall into the trap and get the CC too, just so I can play my damn games. Also, I'm not really waiting with bated breath for these Prime 3 vids - we've probably seen the footage already on IGN anyway. Just check later tonight.

Got a question - does the CC have a wire to connect to the Wii or is it wireless? I sit far enough back from my TV that a wired controller might not be an option.

It plugs into the Wiimote, which can sometimes be annoying because you've got to have a stable place close by to set the Wiimote down, which for me more often than not means my lap. It's not comfortable, but at least it's got all the wireless range of the Wiimote versus my poor non-Wavebird GCN controllers.

[supremespleen]

Huh. How would Super Metroid be on the GC? I don't exactly have the cash for a classic controller right now.

[Necrotic]

It plugs into the Wiimote, which can sometimes be annoying because you've got to have a stable place close by to set the Wiimote down, which for me more often than not means my lap. It's not comfortable, but at least it's got all the wireless range of the Wiimote versus my poor non-Wavebird GCN controllers.

Speaking of, what the eff is up with the fact that you can't use the CC for GCN games? I like the GCN controller like any other guy, but I'm not going to rebuy a set of GCN controllers for my Wii just to play my GCN games on wireless controllers.

I understand it probably has to due with the Wii hardware pretty much switching off or into standby and then the Gamecube hardware taking over, but couldn't Nintendo conceivably still run the Wii hardware with some updated firmware overtop of the GCN hardware to give it some additional features like that? I'm not knowledgeable on the technical side of how something like that would work, but it seems possible on my basic understanding of things to keep some kind of enabler running in the background.

[AarowSwift]

It plugs into the Wiimote, which can sometimes be annoying because you've got to have a stable place close by to set the Wiimote down, which for me more often than not means my lap. It's not comfortable, but at least it's got all the wireless range of the Wiimote versus my poor non-Wavebird GCN controllers.

Hmm...I just put the Wiimote on the floor.

[Imagist]

Hmm...I just put the Wiimote on the floor.

If I'm laying/sitting in my bed on the other side of the room, this is viable because it's low to the floor. But if I'm sitting up close to the desk where both my computer and Wii are set up, the chair is too high off the floor for this to really be viable; at most one end of the remote will touch the floor, as the cord isn't long enough to let it rest fully even if I have the controller all the way in my lap. I can put it on top of the computer tower, but then if I forget it's there and rotate in my chair to talk to someone or who knows whatever else, it gets caught by the chair's arm and dragged off.

So yeah, lap it is usually.

[Soma]

when i play VC games with the CC i usually end up putting the wiimote in my pocket. or my lap like most people here.

[The Coop]

Shining in the Darkness (GEN): A dungeon crawler that looks like it came from the 8-bit generation

Blasphemous fiend! :lol:

SitD has good graphics (for Genesis at that time period), with the familiar art style of the "Shining" series up to that point. It has some catchy "marching"-style music, challenging and good sized labyrinths, old turn-based combat gameplay, and the dungeons scroll pretty nicely. The animation on the enemies isn't extensive, and after a while, some of the random battles can get on your nerves when you're hit with a high frequency of them (though it never gets as bad as Sword of Vermillion). It's a well rounded game, and a fine entry in the long running "Shining" series.