Nintendo Wii

[Schwaltzvald]

Oh shit I :lol: hard but at the same time look forward to some arcade goodness without it eating away my coin jars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUD2sLE5rM

[cobaltstarfire]

That game looks both interesting and increadibly corny at the same time. (those weird scenes with the woman and the wiimote didn't help much)

[Rambo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUD2sLE5rM

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

[LuketheXjesse]

Bwahaha!

That looks like the best game ever. XD

[JH Sounds]

Apparently Quentin Tarantino saw what Spielberg was doing and said "Hey, let me get some of that Wii action, too." :lol:

[Overflow]

Good memories, probably the ONLY game I've ever bought used though back then. Couldn't find it fresh.

also.. I'll leave this here...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvB-lIcHHPQ

Dude, that is so awesome. Is there any way I could get an MP3 of that?

[speculative]

Lol'age! I can't wait for HotD: Overkill after seeing that trailer. I think Sega knows the scoop, seeing as how they specifically said, "This is the hardcore you've been waiting for." Now if others would only get a clue...

[Schwaltzvald]

Dude, that is so awesome. Is there any way I could get an MP3 of that?

I sent you a PM, check it...

Also the first thing I said when I watched this vid was

:lol: HOLY SHIT BISCUIT! :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3AXFv2BzuU

[atmuh]

so there is now a wii backup loader without the aid of mod chips
gg nintendo

[Penfold]

According to IGN's review of Mega Man 9 (http://wii.ign.com/articles/911/911715p1.html), the game is set for release on Monday. Personally, I'll be getting it on Wii. So excited to play this!

[Antipode]

Looks amazing. I can't wait. I wish more companies would do throwback games like this (which is why I've always loved handheld games which seem to usually harken back to the previous generation). I'd KILL for a new side-scrolling Metroid.

[Bleck]

um okay

I just downloaded Mega Man 1 & 2

in Mega Man I can't push start

in Mega Man 2 I can't fire

and now in all my other VC games there are other such problems (i.e not being able to roll in DKC)

heeeeeeelp

[Schwaltzvald]

have you rebooted your Wii? Also all else fails... reformat and redownload it..? Can't say I've ever experienced that...

This article doesn't give much help but... in case your Wii took a shit and died, it's comforting...

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/20/miis-virtual-console-games-transfered-to-replacement-wii/

OH SHIT I FORGOT

HAVE YOU TRIED RE-SYNCING THE WIIMOTE?! Try that in case....

[Bleck]

how the fuck do you even reformat a wii

[Schwaltzvald]

how the fuck do you even reformat a wii

If you go to the settings and with enough searching you can reformat the Wii.

Settings --> Click The Right Icon (Forgot The Name) --> go on to the 3rd Page ---> At the bottom bar, It should say system Reformat

[Bleck]

I don't want to lose my Smash Bros dataaaaaa

[Thalzon]

Save it to an SD card first?

[The Author]

Save it to an SD card first?
I think you can'T for some retarded reason...

[Overflow]

Once you reformat, it will go back to it's factory settings, meaning it won't even recognize any of it's old data.

You should try deleting the mega mans, then redownload them and try again. (Redownloads are free)

I don't think that free space should be an issue, though, because I've only got 9 free blocks left but all my VC and wii stuff work fine.

[Drack]

I think you can'T for some retarded reason...

because it's online

[Schwaltzvald]

I don't want to lose my Smash Bros dataaaaaa

May as well go with the deleting the malfunctioning games and redownload them. I was not aware that you couldn't save your smash Bro data. >:L

[Neo Samus]

most save files are copyright protected. almost all VC and WiiWare title save files are unable to be copied which I think royally sucks.

[DarkeSword]

I think you can'T for some retarded reason...
Why not? Just copy the save file to SD card. You can do that with pretty much any save file.

[Neo Samus]

Why not? Just copy the save file to SD card. You can do that with pretty much any save file.

I've tried to before. It says unable to copy this file.

[Red Shadow]

Might I suggest you use this handy utility, then?

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Save_Extractor

[Bleck]

if I had homebrew capabilites why would I even have bothered with the virtual console at all I WOULD JUST BE PLAYING EARTHBOUND ALL OF THE TIME

[BardicKnowledge]

^Agreed. If I could get Earthbound, Seiken Densetsu 3, and Bahamut Lagoon working perfectly via homebrew, then the VC would be dead to me.

[SoloGamer]

It's pretty easy to get homebrew going on a Wii. All you need is Zelda: Twilight Princess (a rental should suffice) and a 2 gig or less SD card.

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_Channel

[LuketheXjesse]

if I had homebrew capabilites why would I even have bothered with the virtual console at all I WOULD JUST BE PLAYING EARTHBOUND ALL OF THE TIME

Another game I never grew up with...oh the sorrow...

[atmuh]

why one earth has everyone not installed the homebrew channel on their wii

oh and DS unfortunately it is not that simple with smash bros or most wifi enabled games because nintendo doesnt want you messin with wifi data or smth so they make it impossible to transfer that data to an sd card

[Red Shadow]

which is why i linked that particular app

[Schwaltzvald]

why one earth has everyone not installed the homebrew channel on their wii

To add to his comment, here's a sample of what you can have to on HBchannel to those that don't have it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxZQ3WDlF0M&feature=related

[Bleck]

if I get the homebrew channel can I play earthbound on my wii

[Red Shadow]

yes you can and i will show you how if you would like

LATER TONIGHT

[atmuh]

yes you can and i will show you how if you would like

LATER TONIGHT

give credit where credit is due

[Bleck]

basically I think I need an SD card so hold on until I find one okay

[Sag Ee Mana]

Lol when I saw 404 (about this page) I thought it was an error...

[Thalzon]

de Blob and Wario Land: Shake It are out now. Both got excellent review scores, it seems. I'll definitely be picking them up sometime soon.

[Red Shadow]

give credit where credit is due
it's not like i said i was the first person in the world to install the homebrew channel myself or anything

[Zombie]

i've been meaning to get homebrew on my wii for a while, i just keep forgetting about it. :neutral:

[Bleck]

holy shit MARIO GOLF ON VC

[Red Shadow]

id prefer mario tennis

[Scufo]

^Agree.

I'm a big fan of Toadstool Tour myself.

[Red Shadow]

i spent a lot of time getting gold in everything

its really fun to play the secret characters

[Penfold]

World of Goo is pretty awesome. Been through chapters 1 and 2 so far, and there's two stages in ch. 2 that I haven't been able to figure out yet. Good fun so far.

[BardicKnowledge]

Alas, I don't own Zelda because I didn't enjoy it as much as I was expecting after playing through it on a friend's Wii.

Do I have to go rent it to get homebrew on the Wii, or is there a better way yet?

[Imagist]

Check the last couple pages of this thread. Supposedly there's a new way that you only need an SD card for, and I'm pretty sure the info was posted here recently.

[SoloGamer]

Alas, I don't own Zelda because I didn't enjoy it as much as I was expecting after playing through it on a friend's Wii.

Do I have to go rent it to get homebrew on the Wii, or is there a better way yet?

A rental should suffice (or borrow it from your friend if he still has his). You're only going to use it once (unless you end up deleting the Homebrew Channel). After you get your hands on a legit copy of TP, use the Twilight Hack (http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Twilight_Hack) to install the Homebrew Channel (http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_Channel#Using_Twilight_Hack).

The HB Channel will allow you to run homebrew straight off an SD card, rather than run the TP Hack each time.

[halc]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170356

mmmhm fun stuff

[Ajax]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170356

mmmhm fun stuff

I'd pay for it, despite having beat it multiple times on my pc. Authors of games like this deserve the money.

[halc]

I'd pay for it, despite having beat it multiple times on my pc. Authors of games like this deserve the money.

I could not agree more.

[Penfold]

World of Goo is frickin' awesome. Have a friend staying with me for a few days, and gave him a whirl. He's not a real big gamer, but clearly enjoyed the hell out of the 4 or so stages he played around on last night, and opted to play each several times to explore different methods of building the structure.

Anybody check out either of the Art Style games yet? They look intruiging...just like quick, simple games. Not many review out yet, so if anybody has had some hands-on experience with them I'd really like to hear your thoughts on them.

[Overflow]

World of Goo is frickin' awesome. Have a friend staying with me for a few days, and gave him a whirl. He's not a real big gamer, but clearly enjoyed the hell out of the 4 or so stages he played around on last night, and opted to play each several times to explore different methods of building the structure.

Anybody check out either of the Art Style games yet? They look intruiging...just like quick, simple games. Not many review out yet, so if anybody has had some hands-on experience with them I'd really like to hear your thoughts on them.

I've played Orbient and am stuck on the final stages. It's a really fun, imaginative game, but also extremely difficult in the later levels. It's fun to kind of just zone out while you play. If you like the puzzle and slow moving kind of games, it's a good buy for only 600 points.

[SirChadlyOC]

I just realized that Cave Story =/= Maple Story. That's a very big mistake to make. Suddenly, I'm looking forward to this.

On the Nintendo Channel this week, I watched some videos of Wii Music. They were pretty interesting, but I doubt that many musically talented people will like it. Regarding this game, I've gone from "Oh Sweet!" to "ehhh" to "sweet!" and now back to "ehhh." After reading a bunch of reviews when this comes out, hopefully I'll be set on one of these.

GAME TO WATCH FOR: Dokapon Kingdom
Horrible name, horrible box art, no marketing. But alas, Nintendo Power gives it an 8.5 this issue. It appears to be a role-playing board game made by Atlus. Sounds interesting, eh? I hope to check this game out sometime and see for myself.

[DarkeSword]

GAME TO WATCH FOR: Dokapon Kingdom
Horrible name, horrible box art, no marketing. But alas, Nintendo Power gives it an 8.5 this issue. It appears to be a role-playing board game made by Atlus. Sounds interesting, eh? I hope to check this game out sometime and see for myself.

I've heard fantastic things about this game.

[Schwaltzvald]

GAME TO WATCH FOR: Dokapon Kingdom
Horrible name, horrible box art, no marketing. But alas, Nintendo Power gives it an 8.5 this issue. It appears to be a role-playing board game made by Atlus. Sounds interesting, eh? I hope to check this game out sometime and see for myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVbzRDobswc

I like how you can screw over your friends/associates :lol:

And yet it also is coming out for the PS2..? wut..?

[The Damned]

And yet it also is coming out for the PS2..? wut..?
Maybe developing for the PS2 is cheaper than the PS3. And lots of people still have PS2, and since the PS3 can play PS2 games (it still can, right? They haven't made any crazy BC cuts, have they?), they still get that market. It's a smart move, actually.

So, nothing big like another Metroid, Mario, or Zelda this winter, huh?

Man, my little white box is seeing less and less use. There's gotta be something coming up before Christmas.

[Zup]

Maybe developing for the PS2 is cheaper than the PS3. And lots of people still have PS2, and since the PS3 can play PS2 games (it still can, right? They haven't made any crazy BC cuts, have they?), they still get that market. It's a smart move, actually.

So, nothing big like another Metroid, Mario, or Zelda this winter, huh?

Man, my little white box is seeing less and less use. There's gotta be something coming up before Christmas.

Tales of Symphonia 2 or Animal Crossing.

I'll be getting both, and I have no free time at all. Yay!

[The Damned]

Not a fan or either, sorry.

I guess I'm more of a DS player than a Wii player.

[Schwaltzvald]

Maybe developing for the PS2 is cheaper than the PS3. And lots of people still have PS2, and since the PS3 can play PS2 games (it still can, right? They haven't made any crazy BC cuts, have they?), they still get that market. It's a smart move, actually.

I was actually referring to, "how the hell would 4 player mode work on a PS2..?" :lol:

But I do see you're points :)!!

[Gollgagh]

I was actually referring to, "how the hell would 4 player mode work on a PS2..?" :lol:

how would it not?

I don't understand

[Schwaltzvald]

how would it not?

I don't understand

I didn't say it wouldn't I'm asking how would it work..? Not to mention there's only 2 ports for 2 controllers...

But hey if they're rolling with "passing the game pad" I should have heard something about it...

[Gollgagh]

what, do they not have multi-taps around your parts?

[SoloGamer]

I didn't say it wouldn't I'm asking how would it work..? Not to mention there's only 2 ports for 2 controllers...

It's called a multitap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitap)

[Schwaltzvald]

what, do they not have multi-taps around your parts?

haven't seen them since the snes days; especially for the ps2. All news to to me.

So does Dokapon Kingdom support multitap accesories..? I can't seem to find the info on the official site; considering the wiki info is nothing more than a stub on it... While I'm just real curious as to how it would work on the PS2, chances are if it's a real gem, I'll most likely get it for the Wii.

[Glenn565]

And yet it also is coming out for the PS2..? wut..?

It's made by Sting, the Riviera and Baroque people. They're porting their PS2 games to the Wii and Atlus is publishing both at the same time. At least, that seems to be their strategy.

[Imagist]

Maybe developing for the PS2 is cheaper than the PS3. And lots of people still have PS2, and since the PS3 can play PS2 games (it still can, right? They haven't made any crazy BC cuts, have they?), they still get that market. It's a smart move, actually.

The latest versions (the only ones currently selling retail) have no PS2 compatibility to speak of. This is pretty awful, because it's not hard to do the software emulation the last couple versions have had (which is not total compatibility, but at least it's something), so clearly the move is motivated by greed or retardation. Maybe both.

[Amayirot Akago]

I picked up Dokapon yesterday. Haven't had a chance to play it against a human opponent yet but what little I've played so far seems like it'd be real blast in multiplayer (although my luck is absolutely sh*tty when it comes to spinning or roulette).

[SirChadlyOC]

I can't believe this topic turned all "I WANTZ POKAMON KINGDOM OR WHATEVS." Other people have actually heard about this? Another selling point: the game is $40 retail right now. Also, because it probably won't sell to the mostly uninformed Wii audience, it'll probably drop in price soon. I'd guess shortly after the holidays; either that or sweet Black Friday-type sales.

I agree with The Damned. I think the DS's library looks much sweeter these days. However, the Wii Shop channel has been ridiculous as of late, and I think Wii point cards will be sweet gifts to receive. I haven't downloaded anything since Startropics came out, so I'm looking forward to Strong Bad, Mega Man 9, Tetris Party, and a bunch of other stuff I haven't even heard of yet.

[The Damned]

Mega Man 9 will punch you in the balls and then take your lunch money.

Just a heads-up.

[JCvgluvr]

It's not that hard once you memorize some things. MM3 is harder.

[The Biznut]

Just saw the commercial for Wii Music. What do you guys think about that whole thing?

Pardon the topic change :neutral:

[Bigfoot]

It's probably not for everyone. I'd like to try it though.

[Overflow]

I got Wii Music, and I'm enjoying it like crazy. I haven't had this much fun in ages.
I am very much into music, though, but I can't play any instruments, so being able to do both is really cool for me. I also got my whole family playing with me last night, and we had a blast. The game is a lot of fun if you're musically inclined at all.
I actually played for about 5 hours straight yesterday when I got it, then realized that I should eat something. and that was without trying any of the minigames, the drum lessons or the style lessons.

I like it.

[SirChadlyOC]

I just posted my big review of Wii Music in the Wii Music thread (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?p=467371#post467371).

It's fun, but I feel constrained by not being able to play the notes I want to play, and by the inaccurate rhythms caused by the Wiimote.

[Schwaltzvald]

I know that there was a thread already for this game for the Wii but I can't seem to find it.

Nonetheless this made me chuckle a bit

Day of Disaster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5PNLSDaLeA

[Ray Falling]

People bore me... u_u;

Anyway, I have a question for you guys: what kind of influence does a publisher have on what a game might end up like?

I'm asking because IGN reported a little while back that The Conduit is going to be published by SEGA. Now I'm curious what that really means. Does that simply mean that the game will eventually have a SEGA stamp on it and that it's just about financing, or will they actually have people messing with the game itself as well?

I'm slightly worried because the developers are promissing 16 player online multiplayer mode, and I can't help but think someone is going to mess that up.

I have high hopes for The Conduit, and I don't want those hopes to be shattered just because some bastard publisher is going to mess with things.

[Thalzon]

Publishers are the financers of games, but often they are simply that, and have no idea what sells beyond "blood, gore, boobs" or what-have-you. They simply want a profit on their investment. For SEGA to have picked up Conduit does mean their name will be on the box and before the game boots up, but to carry it at this near-complete stage probably means they think it's a sound investment.

Now go out there and prove them right when it releases.

[megadave]

Well, they're publishing the Conduit and making a new Wii House of the Dead game, which I think is pretty cool. But when I need a SEGA fix, I go to virtual console. They were so amazing back then, you know, Streets of Rage, Fantasy Zone, Ristar, sigh.... I still pull out the Sonic Mega Collection too. There's nothing like a six pack of beer and a good Sonic fix.

Oh, if you're worrying about SEGA messing up the online component, then don't hold your breath. Nintendo's already made sure that the online component will suck, you know, unless the publisher is cool enough to host the game on its own server (which actually has been done with some Wii games and worked very well).

[Ray Falling]

Oh, if you're worrying about SEGA messing up the online component, then don't hold your breath. Nintendo's already made sure that the online component will suck, you know, unless the publisher is cool enough to host the game on its own server (which actually has been done with some Wii games and worked very well).

That would have been my second worry :D I just need to know who to point my finger too when the time comes :D

[Nekofrog]

So I've had my Nintendo Wii since launch day -- girlfriend had it preordered and we picked it up during a midnight launch party. In that time we've amassed a fair amount of games (Trauma Center Second Opinion, Trauma Center New Blood, Bully Scholarship Edition, Elebits, Godfather Blackhand Edition, Super Mario Galaxy, Wario Ware, Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn, Mario Kart Wii, Super Paper Mario, Smash Bros Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Zack & Wiki, Zelda Twilight Princess, Resident Evil 4 Wii, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, Wii Sports).

That's 17, give or take a few games. And in that time I can honestly say I've only ever felt the Wii's control scheme taken advantage of in a small handful of titles. Zack & Wiki, Resident Evil 4 Wii, the Trauma Centers, and maybe Wario Ware.

Zack & Wiki was one of the best games I've played in ten years, being an old PC adventuregamefag. Despite the fact that both my GF and I own Resident Evil on the GC, we bought it on the Wii and did not regret it. It truly is an entirely new experience with the Wiimote, and it is SORELY disappointing that no other game has done what RE4Wii did, because that gameplay was STELLAR.

The Trauma Centers are fun but hardly interesting on any level other than the surgeries (storylines are stupid, dialogue is crap).

So 3 years into the Wii and we have had scant representation of this "revolutionary" control scheme that is the Wiimote. We were promised the world by Nintendo and other developers, and very few people have even delivered. Nintendo THEMSELVES have yet to deliver any form of revolutionary gameplay that could not be done without the Wiimote.

I am also becoming more and more disinterested in the Wii as time goes on; in fact the only thing I've played on it in the last few weeks are the Strongbad Cool Game for Attractive People episodes (again, PC adventuregamefag here), but I could just as easily get those on the PC and have just as much fun.

What's the deal, Nintendo? When are you going to bring your A game to the table?

[Ray Falling]

Maybe they/we are overestimating the possibilities of the Wii-mote.
When it comes down to it, the technology just doesn't really translate movement well enough. One of the better games that uses motion based puzzles is Metroid Prime 3 but even that game had frustrating moments when the game would not pick up on my input. It takes the momentum out of the experience which is a shame (in any game that is).
The Wii-motion Plus thing or whatever it is called may open some doors leading to awesomeness though.

Another thing is that developers are still in-experienced with this technology, and considering MOST good games take more than a couple of years to make, it's not so strange that no one has really delivered yet.

Controls can break a game much easier on Wii which is a shame.

The best hope lies with Nintendo's better development teams, altough they seem to be MIA lately...

[Overflow]

I say that anyone who has doubts in nintendo and the wii and is thinking of selling theirs should at least wait for wii motion plus, and wait for a few games to come that uses it. if that turns our to be a flop, then go ahead and ditch the wii, but if it delivers, you may be glad you kept it.

[Bleck]

What's the deal, Nintendo? When are you going to bring your A game to the table?

hopefully wii fencing is awesome

[wiredzombie]

i need more new games :(

[Jam Stunna]

Has anyone else been having problems finding opponents online for Mario Kart Wii?

[cobaltstarfire]

On occasion, but I haven't been able to play since the summer, maybe it's a lot harder now that it's been out a while.

I was kind of disappointed to learn that the rankings in MK apparently don't go past 9999, but I guess it has to top off somewhere. My guy says that the way ratings are calculated for it are bad in the first place so maybe it doesn't matter what ones ranking is anyway...

[LuketheXjesse]

Despite the fact that both my GF and I own Resident Evil on the GC, we bought it on the Wii and did not regret it. It truly is an entirely new experience with the Wiimote, and it is SORELY disappointing that no other game has done what RE4Wii did, because that gameplay was STELLAR.

The Trauma Centers are fun but hardly interesting on any level other than the surgeries (storylines are stupid, dialogue is crap).

So 3 years into the Wii and we have had scant representation of this "revolutionary" control scheme that is the Wiimote. We were promised the world by Nintendo and other developers, and very few people have even delivered. Nintendo THEMSELVES have yet to deliver any form of revolutionary gameplay that could not be done without the Wiimote.

I am also becoming more and more disinterested in the Wii as time goes on; in fact the only thing I've played on it in the last few weeks are the Strongbad Cool Game for Attractive People episodes (again, PC adventuregamefag here), but I could just as easily get those on the PC and have just as much fun.

What's the deal, Nintendo? When are you going to bring your A game to the table?

Definetley agree about RE4 and Trauma Center.

As for Nintendo, they're probably not going to do anything until the sales finally start slowing down. That way the sales will just pick up again. If I had to label a single gaming company as the most business conglomerate-y, it'd be Nintendo. Like you, I've become disinterested in the Wii more and more. Because Nintendo doesn't actually judge games that come to their system, it's become a wasteland of garbage d-list games, therefore embarrasing the system further. Whenever me and my friends ever go to a Gamestop now, the first thing we do is make fun of the aweful Wii games sitting there.

Also I'd say Galaxy is an A-game...but that's it >_> Unless you mean A-game is revolutionary control scheme, in which case no. You could give No More Heroes a try if you want. It's a bit of a hit or miss for everyone. I like it. But it's REALLY WEIRD (i.e. Japanese)

[Ray Falling]

IGN's review of Tales of Symphonia 2 was pretty brutal u_u; I've decided to ignore that and ordered the game online anyway.

Of course I don't want to be dissapointed with the Tales people after all the greatness they gave me :D

When searching for said game in online shops, I noticed that there are a lot of Wii titles out there that never even made it to Europe. They're probably not that spectacular, but it's a shame that the already limited shelve-space in actual stores here is filled with other garbage anyway.

People here don't really get that much choice anyway, so it's only natural that certain crap is selling like hotcakes.

[Clairval]

'reminds me the N64 era, which also provided a sooooooooo small amount of goodness per year. Except that they were 25% of Nintendo games, not 2,5% as now.

[Jam Stunna]

Usually I think everything IGN says is a huge lie, but I'm inclined to believe them about Tales of Symphonia. The original game's story made no sense to me either, and it really was just a standard JRPG except for the amazing battle system.

Sigh, now that MK Wii is acting funny, my Wii might as well be a big white paperweight.

[Red Shadow]

get an sd card and then your wii will be much more useful to you

[Soma]

Usually I think everything IGN says is a huge lie, but I'm inclined to believe them about Tales of Symphonia. The original game's story made no sense to me either, and it really was just a standard JRPG except for the amazing battle system.

Sigh, now that MK Wii is acting funny, my Wii might as well be a big white paperweight.

Look on the upside, you could probably sell it for the price you paid for it. That's what I did about 2 months ago. Had the system since launch and sold it on craigslist for $250. The only game I thought I was missing was Tales of Symphonia but I guess not.

[halc]

get an sd card and then your wii will be much more useful to you

yeah, it doesn't matter how many shitty games there are when they're all free

[Bahamut]

IGN's review of Tales of Symphonia 2 was pretty brutal u_u; I've decided to ignore that and ordered the game online anyway.

Of course I don't want to be dissapointed with the Tales people after all the greatness they gave me :D

When searching for said game in online shops, I noticed that there are a lot of Wii titles out there that never even made it to Europe. They're probably not that spectacular, but it's a shame that the already limited shelve-space in actual stores here is filled with other garbage anyway.

People here don't really get that much choice anyway, so it's only natural that certain crap is selling like hotcakes.

Seeing as Vesperia is good, my guess is that Namco put their good Tales dev team to work on that one and not Symphonia 2.

[megadave]

If it was a mediocre first person shooter it would've gotten at least an 8.

[Ray Falling]

Seeing as Vesperia is good, my guess is that Namco put their good Tales dev team to work on that one and not Symphonia 2.

You may be right. That would explain a lot of the game's changes which seem illogical *include picture of Spock here*.

I guess it's just a typical JRPG for many people, but for me this genre is still kinda fresh so I don't see it that way. And I actually can enjoy it for what it is giving me :D
Oh well, to each their own.

Hopefully it won't be that bad though.

[Zombie]

i want mad world. that game better be good.

EDIT: it occurs to me that the new animal crossing game doesn't come out for another 3 days. but guess what? i saw it at the walmart where i live today, and totally spaced it. i might have to get it tomorrow.

[Overflow]

The Conduit.

Also, Animal Crossing: I haven't played any other ones, but I'm intrigued. I'm assuming it would be a good place to start?

[Bigfoot]

The Conduit.

Also, Animal Crossing: I haven't played any other ones, but I'm intrigued. I'm assuming it would be a good place to start?

Yeah, it really doesn't matter if you played any other AC games. They're all basically the same.

[HideousBeing]

Would anyone who has actually played it recommend Animal Crossing for any reason? I really want a game to buy right now, and I just want to know if AC: CF will be worth the money.

[Zup]

I loved it when I had the original, so I'm buying the new one. I lost interest with it I think because I played it too much at the beginning last time, so if you aren't careful you can burn out super easy. But otherwise, it should be good. I'll be playing it with a girl by my side, so that might help me out too.

[BardicKnowledge]

Animal Crossing is hard for me to recommend. I find that the game gets very dull very quickly...but with wifi, that may not be the case. Still, having burnt myself out on the DS version, I won't be getting it.

[LuketheXjesse]

I find that the game gets very dull very quickly

having burnt myself out on the DS version, I won't be getting it.

1. Yes.

2. The same thing happened to me.

[Bigfoot]

I'd play too much and take breaks, but I still love the game. I'm definitely getting it.

[HideousBeing]

Can you explain what's so enjoyable about the game that one would continue to play it? I know it's not a game you can "beat."

[halc]

Can you explain what's so enjoyable about the game that one would continue to play it? I know it's not a game you can "beat."

well it's pretty fun in the same way that harvest moon is fun. lots of stuff to do.

[Bigfoot]

Can you explain what's so enjoyable about the game that one would continue to play it? I know it's not a game you can "beat."

It's just one of those games that you can play whenever to just chill and relax. There's a crap ton of stuff to collect and little events that happen depending on the calender day, so it has a little charm to it that makes it enjoyable.

[Bahamut]

For those looking for Wiis, quick, before they sell out! http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009VXBAQ?tag=overclocked02-20&camp=15309&creative=331469&linkCode=st1&creativeASIN=B0009VXBAQ&adid=1PSZEW8716NYH71GZVDV

[Bigfoot]

Our Best Buy actually got like 200+ in one night a couple of weeks ago, so check your local Best Buy stores as well.

[Nekofrog]

For those looking for Wiis, quick, before they sell out! http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009VXBAQ?tag=overclocked02-20&camp=15309&creative=331469&linkCode=st1&creativeASIN=B0009VXBAQ&adid=1PSZEW8716NYH71GZVDV

Thanks.

Snagged two of them to..


... you know.

"Play".

Heh.

[HideousBeing]

So has anyone actually bought Castlevania Judgment? Anyone planning to? I'm pretty curious if it has a chance.

[Overflow]

BUMP.

I have a question: Where is clan OCR? I wouldn't mind getting some people's animal crossing, mario kart, etc friend codes.

[Effector]

http://ocr.anticlan.net/index.php

Voilà!

[Overflow]

Edit: Got it.

[Brycepops]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaY5J0QDWNE

I can has pls? ;_;

[cobaltstarfire]

I hope the controls are better than wii boxing >.>

I like the music that plays during it it's nifty and things.

[Overflow]

http://ocr.anticlan.net/index.php

Voilà!

I added myself to Mario kart wii and Metroid prime Hunters; do I just sit around now and hope people add me?

[cobaltstarfire]

I added myself to Mario kart wii and Metroid prime Hunters; do I just sit around now and hope people add me?


Might be better to pm or try to catch people on aim.

I've had very little success with clan ocr, except with Arek personally, but I think that's partially because he's a lot more approachable to me than most people. :P

I'll add you to Mario Kart during winter break if I remember to.

[Nekofrog]

XBox Live > Nintendo Wifi

[Effector]

XBox Live > Nintendo Wifi

I remember you being better at trolling. Huh.

[DarkeSword]

I remember you being better at trolling. Huh.
How could that possibly be construed as trolling? Nintendo's WiFi service is terrible. :|

[cobaltstarfire]

XBox Live > Nintendo Wifi

Too true, too bad there aren't any Xbox games that I desire to play online.

[Nekofrog]

I remember you being better at trolling. Huh.

If only I were trolling...

[Effector]

I think he's having fun since there really couldn't have been a point to that except to stir something up - but I think everyone agrees with that one.

Also, because it's Neko.

[Nekofrog]

I think he's having fun since there really couldn't have been a point to that except to stir something up - but I think everyone agrees with that one.

Also, because it's Neko.

It was a response to not being able to find people with ClanOCR.

Thanks to the awesomeness of X-Box Live, you never, ever, EVER have that sort of problem.

Edit: for example, I am in #clanocr (or, what its current incarnation is CAN'T TELL YOU NYAH NYAH), but games almost never get organized there. It's another chat channel now. But as soon as I logged into Street Fighter II HD on X-Box Live, I got an invite from atmuh to play, and played with a bunch of OCR people. Just from logging in to the service, it automatically announced that I was playing the game to my friends, allowing those who were also playing to say "hey let's play with that guy" or even if they're playing something else to see me and say "hey I want to play that game let's play it".

Nintendo Wifi? Pffft... good luck, pal.

[cobaltstarfire]

It's only worse because it doesn't look like Nintendo is going to make it's online modes any better in the near future either. I'd be pleasantly surprised if whatever it does for next gen is any more useful than the DS or Wii has been. But I know that'll probably never ever ever happen! >(

[Effector]

Yeah, if it wasn't for the fact that I bought GH3 for Wii (at my family's behest), I wouldn't have been touched that little white console in ages... Which is sad, really. But I'd hate to go back to such a single-player-minded console. I mean, I love SP as much (probably more) than the next guy, and forgive a game for crappy -- or no -- MP fairly easily, but Nintendo has really turned away tons of players (and their cash) with this stuff. I've admired Nintendo for ages, but they've always been strange about certain things. So it's 360 for me as for as long as I can tell.

Anyway, nice to see you're not(/have stopped being) the reactionary jerk I remember you as from years ago, Neko.

[Bleck]

what games are there to even play on the wii besides smash bros and animal crossing

[wouldntyouliketoknow]

No More Heroes is pretty much the most awesome game on the Wii. Ever. Metroid Prime 3 isn't bad either...

[Bleck]

online games, I meant

[Nekofrog]

what games are there to even play on the wii besides smash bros and animal crossing

Can what you do in Animal Crossing online really be considered "playing" something?

[Bleck]

that is besides the point

[Nekofrog]

Your face is besides the point, sir

[Jam Stunna]

What I fear is that with the runaway success of the Nintendo Wii (seemingly in spite of it's failings), it's going to become the standard business model for the industry going forward.

[Bahamut]

What I fear is that with the runaway success of the Nintendo Wii (seemingly in spite of it's failings), it's going to become the standard business model for the industry going forward.

I don't see Microsoft or Sony adopting Nintendo's strategy any time soon. The business models are radically different.

[Bleck]

I don't know, they've both been pretty quick to mimic the 'make your own useless little avatar thing' idea

[defender!!]

hack your wii. i did it a few days ago and i've fallen back in love with it.

yes, i know what that says for the console and i know i basically made it lose the charming innocence it once had. but you know what?

i can play mother 3.

[Jam Stunna]

http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/disasterdayofcrisis/review.html

Bear attacks aside, I'm surprised at how disappointed I am that this game sucks. At this point, I'm just waiting to see if The Conduit and Mad World are going to fail to live up to expectations as well.

[nookster]

I can guarantee the conduit will (fail).

[Bigfoot]

Why? Why would you want the game to "fail"(man that word is so annoying nowadays). The Wii doesn't have that many great games, so why would you want to guarantee that The Conduit won't do well?

[Bleck]

"fail"(man that word is so annoying nowadays)

there look I made it really big so maybe it can get through some people's heads

[DarkeSword]

I can guarantee the conduit will (fail).
Really? You can guarantee it? How?

[Native Jovian]

How?
Sabatoge. If it won't fail on its own, he'll MAKE it fail.

[Brycepops]

Did nobody bother to watch the Punch-Out!! trailer I posted the other day? :/

[SoloGamer]

Did nobody bother to watch the Punch-Out!! trailer I posted the other day? :/
I saw it when it was first shown back in October. I'm not too fond of Little Mac's new look, and the ring's a little too dark for my taste, but the music was enough to get me pumped for this game.

[Overflow]

Soooo, I see there's no spot for Animal Crossing CIty Folk in Clan OCR. Any idea when that would be put up? And until then, Anyone want to put up their codes?

[Bigfoot]

I'll put up my code later because I have to work.

Also, what fruits does everyone have? I have pears.

[Overflow]

I have pears, too...

Here's my code: 3781-2593-5096 and my in-game name is Chris.

[Red Shadow]

oh you know it girlfriend

[Zup]

name: Zup
Town: Dunes
friend code: 5413 3437 0056

PM me if you add me- I have peaches and I'm always willing to go to someone's town/host someone at mine (if they bring another fruit as a toll! haha)

[Overflow]

Oh, I forgot. My town's name is Clover.

[prophetik]

has anyone noticed that smoke (the OP guy) hasn't posted since september of 2007? what's up with him?

normally i wouldn't say anything, but he's a 14k post guy. you don't just up and walk away from that, you know?

[Nekofrog]

smoke is still in #ocremix. In fact we made fun of him today for not having a huge Megaman boner anymore.

[Smoke]

has anyone noticed that smoke (the OP guy) hasn't posted since september of 2007? what's up with him?

normally i wouldn't say anything, but he's a 14k post guy. you don't just up and walk away from that, you know?

Sometimes you do. I've just been busy.

EDIT: Also, AC is out in Europe and I've got a copy.

Name: Smoke
Town: Crysta
Friendcode: 2406-8884-7176
Fruit: Peach

[Bigfoot]

Animal Crossing

Name: Bigfoot
Town: Zebes
FC: 1848-5429-8623
Fruit: Pear

[prophetik]

Sometimes you do. I've just been busy.

oh, hey man. long time no see. i actually remembered your last existing post, too, the one about c&c 1 going freeware =)

[speculative]

Well, I've pretty much given up hope that even 5% of the future Wii titles will be geared toward someone with my interests (games, not waggle) so my Wii is going to Ebay. It may be replaced with a PS3, but not an Xbox 360 due to hardware failures. Big failure of MS to nab my $$ as otherwise I would have purchased a 360 as a stop-gap to play on my old SDTV without having to buy a new HDTV.

Wii held good promise, but only before it was released. I did enjoy certain features in Zelda, although admittedly that was a GC game and they still haven't released a sequel. I also enjoyed certain parts of Metroid, but it got old quick because it's the same combat gameplay over and over with no variation except for bosses. I wish Excite Truck were on another console because then I could play it with proper controls. I've beat RE:4 Wii Edition 5 times now. I have no desire to play it again or even look at it for a second. It's definitely a masterpiece but now it is time to move on.

The Nintendo Wii is a Wii, and if people like that fine but it is definitely not a game console... I look at the rack of about 50 titles for Wii in Wal-mart, and I just don't see anything that's recognizable to me as a video game.

[Mr.Roboto]

Well, I've pretty much given up hope that even 5% of the future Wii titles will be geared toward someone with my interests (games, not waggle) so my Wii is going to Ebay. It may be replaced with a PS3, but not an Xbox 360 due to hardware failures. Big failure of MS to nab my $$ as otherwise I would have purchased a 360 as a stop-gap to play on my old SDTV without having to buy a new HDTV.

Wii held good promise, but only before it was released. I did enjoy certain features in Zelda, although admittedly that was a GC game and they still haven't released a sequel. I also enjoyed certain parts of Metroid, but it got old quick because it's the same combat gameplay over and over with no variation except for bosses. I wish Excite Truck were on another console because then I could play it with proper controls. I've beat RE:4 Wii Edition 5 times now. I have no desire to play it again or even look at it for a second. It's definitely a masterpiece but now it is time to move on.

The Nintendo Wii is a Wii, and if people like that fine but it is definitely not a game console... I look at the rack of about 50 titles for Wii in Wal-mart, and I just don't see anything that's recognizable to me as a video game.

K. I'm also privy to information of future Wii titles. Enjoy Ebaying your Wii.

[prophetik]

It may be replaced with a PS3, but not an Xbox 360 due to hardware failures. Big failure of MS to nab my $$ as otherwise I would have purchased a 360 as a stop-gap to play on my old SDTV without having to buy a new HDTV.

you DO know that jasper (the new 360 motherboard) is making RRoD obsolete, right? not to mention you can buy a refurb 360 that's been fixed to prevent rrod from kittykar here on the forums for like 150$.

[Bigfoot]

Seriously. The 360 is probably the best console this generation(not in a sales figure sort of way). I haven't loved a console so much since my SNES.

Anyway, this is a Wii thread after all. I wish Nintendo would change their act, but they're making boat loads of money doing it this way. Even a magazine recently shut down because of the audience that Nintendo caters to now.

[defender!!]

i too bought my wii thinking it'd be great. it isn't. i have ten games for it in the span of two years (not so bad, i guess), but most i doubt i'll ever touch again. the only one i really really ever got into was mario strikers, but only because the competitive metagame that formed around it was absolutely incredible.

i've just revisited older generations--collected a ton of PS2 junk, NES games, stuff like that. and i've recently gotten big into PC! the wii can't sustain me like the PS2 or even the gamecube could last generation.

bottom line: wii isn't bad, it's just not a "primary console," which is a big issue. when SNES and genesis came out, it was difficult to have both, as they both had so many goods things going for them and it seemed impractical to be able to enjoy the many, many good games for either. while there's really nothing i want to play on the 360, i definitely think it's established itself as the primary console, while having a wii is a nice but completely optional decision. 360 has the games everyone wants, most people buy a wii for three or four really really good games.

[The Damned]

Yeah, I'm not really playing my Wii nowadays. I'm getting about twenty times more use out of my DS.

I think the Wii has sort of half-delivered what we were all expecting out of it. We saw things like light-sabre fights, and we're only now getting something like that this late into the life of the system... and it requires an add-on to make it work properly. And it may still be a shitty game. I don't know, I lost interest in the Star Wars game after a week. I think it's still being made.

Honestly? I'd consider selling it if I was hard up for money, but I'm kind of hoping that at some point, someone will come up with that super-awesome game that will make it all worthwhile. Twilight Princess was alright, Mario Galaxy was kind of fun, but really, I've gotten no real enjoyment out of Nintendo's effort this generation.

I'm still up for their portables, though. Good stuff the last fifteen years!

[Veritas]

Yeah, I'm not really playing my Wii nowadays.

i agree. i use my wii mostly when i have friends or family over for casual gaming. as a solo gaming platform, i pretty much only play no more heroes.

i probably won't be selling it though. its still interactive and fun when i have people over, even if all we play is wii sports, boom blox, or one of the raving rabbids games.

[VerSus22]

i too bought my wii thinking it'd be great. it isn't.

The only interesting thing about the Wii now is WiiWare games.

[Zombie]

i found metal slug anthology for ten bucks at blockbuster the other day and just had to get it. :nicework:

the wii is pretty disappointing, but i keep for a few good games... and wii ware is pretty cool i guess.

:|

[Rambo]

My signature be damned. Nintendo is really frustrating me. I got the wii on release day, and I have 8 games. That's a long span to have only gotten 8 games. I've bought more VC games than wii games. So why don't they start producing SNES games again??? It would be alot cheaper to produce, and people would buy/enjoy them!

It's not that the Wii is bad. Nintendo has just forgotten about the catagory of gamers that have kept them in business this long. They've taken a different direction and stopped catering to 'us'. Good for them. Bad for us.

I'd probably get a 360 if this hadn't turned me off of console gaming.

sadface

[Veritas]

So why don't they start producing SNES games again??? It would be alot cheaper to produce, and people would buy/enjoy them!

i agree. the mountains of crap that get released on the wii doesn't help either. it just drowns out the few gems the wii really has. unfortunately, there's so many non-gamers who buy wii's just for wii sports that nintendo probably doesn't care enough to really hunker down and design some killer apps anymore. they're just gonna rake in the money.

[Thalzon]

All of this whining can be equated to a movie aficionado (sp?) complaining that they don't make good epics anymore, that the epics they do make are catered to a more "casual" audience. Or someone who reads books complaining about the disturbing proliferation of books of the pop-up variety.

Much as it annoys me that Nintendo decided to be smart rather than loyal to a fault, one could argue that this shift in the industry has been a long time coming. Movies, books, television, et al already appeal to almost everyone. It's only natural for games to follow suit. But because we've been catered to for so long, the shift is the most painful for us.

Moreover, Nintendo's flak it's getting for this is somewhat undeserved. Since the Wii was released, there's been a new Metroid, a new Mario, a new Mario Kart, a new Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, a handful of decent-to-awesome third-party games, as well as any other Nintendo franchises I've neglected to mention. And, here's the thing, it's only been two years. Most of the really quality games we've come to expect from Nintendo? Yeah, they take a little longer to make, and it's not like they start as soon as the previous one is done. In the past, on the GC and N64, we got about the same number of truly quality games in the same time frame. It just SEEMED larger back then because everything ELSE was also catered to us. And considering the kind of games Nintendo has lined up for next year (Punch-Out and Sin and Punishment 2, for example), I really don't think we have much to worry about. They haven't forgotten anything except to apply some standards to third parties now that their system is so successful.

All that said, I must now turn to the gamers directly. I'm not surprised everyone's getting mad, for the reasons I've stated before. However, we as a demographic are not totally blameless. We seemingly demand nothing short of perfection and we want new and creative every single year, from every single game we buy. We hold reviews in the highest regard (consciously or not) and when a game gets anything below a 7/10 or a similar score we avoid it like the plague (most of the time). In that sense, a lot of developers aren't even gonna try to make a game that appeals to us. It's too expensive, they don't have the time or the manpower, and the profits are too thin. There's also way too much potential to screw up and end up bankrupting the company. Casual gamers have less discriminating tastes, and they still pay the same amount for a game as one of the hardcore (unless it's a budget game, in which case they see a great deal instead of a trap), so why NOT cater to them? To those who feel "betrayed", keep in mind the industry doesn't owe you jack.

Another note about reviewers. Should this casual trend continue to increase (and it will), they may find their method of scoring to become laughably quaint. As they're forced to review casual games, they may find they can't properly weigh its pros and cons, because the contents of this game and the games they've come to expect are two entirely different things. Reviewers may have to become more "worldly", like a movie critic, and review games with a certain audience in mind. Of course the hardcore guy doesn't care about Garden Seeding: The Game! Why are you reviewing it based on that standard? He was never gonna buy it anyway!

So, in conclusion, I think there's nothing to really worry about. We're not being marginalized or shoo'd out of the room. The industry needs time to grow and adjust to the new demographics it's beginning to cater to.

Yeah, yeah, tl;dr.

[Overflow]

I agree. Good argument. Really, we should be grateful we can play games at all.

Hey, we should see if we can get together saturday nights for K.K.'s preformance.

[The Author]

Ok, I'm all for retro gaming, but fuck, could you maybe make sure there is no slowdown on NES emulated games...

I mean, I dont remember my nes slowing that much when there was 4 enemies on the screen in MM3.

[The Damned]

Yeah, yeah, tl;dr.

No, I know it's not entirely Nintendo's fault. I'm just feeling like there's nothing out so far that I really like.

I was planning to replay Twilight Princess, but then Left4Dead came out... and there are all those DS games from the last few months...

I'm just hoping that within the next year, we'll see a title that makes me want to keep my Wii and give my DS a little vacation.

[NeoForte]

Wii won, Dragon Quest X announced for Wii

Sauce: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344939

[The Damned]

I have a question regarding the whole "Dragon Quest on (insert console name), console war over" mentality.

As I understand it, people say that if you have the next Dragon Quest game on your system, that means that you can expect such a huge amount of additional sales, from the supposedly large number of Dragon Quest fans out there. You get Dragon Quest, you get the fanbase. You get the fanbase, you get them buying your console.

But, doesn't Dragon Quest have mostly a Japanese fanbase? Even if every DQ fan buys the next system just for that game, Japan only makes up one part of the world market. And, if I'm not mistaken, DQ isn't as popular in North America as it is in Japan, nor is it in Europe. Those are the three big markets, and only one of them can "guarantee" (if you will) a jump in console sales connected to the release of a new DQ game.

So how is it that one game, with only a strong fanbase in one market, can claim to make any one system "the winner" when there are so many other factors involved?

If it's a matter of having the most popular series, then I don't get how that would work. DQ is listed as the 17th most selling franchise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises), beaten by many other series, some that started out years afterwards. It would seem more likely that having The Sims, GTA, or any Final Fantasy game for your system would be more help. But all I hear about DQ is "whatever system gets it, wins".

Explain to me why this is, and if you can back it up with some hard data, that would be appreciated.

[Wintermute]

Because Dragon Quest is fucking cool.

That is all.

[Effector]

The Damned, basically, you're right. It's not the case at all.

It's never been the end-all-be-all for consoles that people tout it as. Perhaps ten, maybe even fifteen-twenty years ago, it was the high water mark for RPGs (and even then, only definitely in Japan). It's still sold well since then nostalgia and a fairly solid design (much like Final Fantasy to most Western RPG players), and even to the point of a cultural phenomena.

But with Japan cornering a shrinking corner of the global video game market (both in number of games and variety thereof), it's even lost a bit of that thunder. Japan has shrugged off the 360 nearly unanimously, but MS is doing quite well with it solely from American/European/etc sales. The "death" of Japan's video game dominance has been in the media for years, and maybe there's something to it.

Yeah, that wiki article only highlights some of the shortcomings of the Japanese market, namely that long development times are a death in such a competitive market. There's a reason why The Sims has sold more copies in nine years than Final Fantasy has in twenty-one. I can't fathom the frequency of Sims releases (though it's a bit unfair as a direct comparison) while I'm not sure FFXIII will come out before the Apocalypse.

I'm sure you get the gist though. Perhaps a better example would be that yearly Madden games over the last twenty and frequent GTA games over eleven years have both sold almost as many copies as the FFs while the market for Madden for example is limited almost exclusively to N. America.

ANYWAY! To the point. Seeing as Japan has already thrown the 360 out and it's pretty obvious that the Wii and PS3 aren't directly competing at this point (in the majority of the world market - most of America definitely sees the Wii as a "family fun machine" at this point), they really aren't going to decide much.

A single game is not going to decide the "console war" and if one was, it sure as hell is not going to be DQ.

[NeoForte]

Geeze was a joke >.>

Anyway DQ always has gone to the console that's been the most successful (Ps, Ps2, DS and now Wii) which is why I said that comment mostly. But yea what you guys said is true.

[Effector]

Oh, haha, I know. It was just something that's been sitting on my mind lately. My roommate visits both the GameFAQs and GameTrailers forums fairly often, so I'm exposed to another side of idiocy that I don't normally see... Kind of sparked that train of thought the other day.

Anyway, I like Dragon Quest as much as I can like a JRPG, and regardless of my opinion of Square-Enix, they've always been pretty good judges of the console climate (or they've been lucky).

[Jam Stunna]

How the hell did this slip by me during E3?

http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2008/06/21/f-zero-wii-aka-f-zero-z-said-to-be-announced-at-e3.htm

It seems a little iffy, but the person who posted it claims it came from a "reliable source". Can anyone confirm/deny this?

@ Thalzon- You're 100% right, but I think what really makes this painful is that unlike a book or a movie, videogames require AT LEAST a $200 investment (that's assuming you buy a 360 Arcade and the cheapest downloadable game possible). It's one thing to be disappointed in a $10 movie or a $30 book, and quite another to be disappointed in an entire system.

[Effector]

Seems pretty iffy. No one big is reporting on it yet, so I'm inclined to call it an unsubstantiated rumor until anything happens. At they very least, though, it was definitely not reported on at E3.

AX/GX logo with a Z photoshopped over it? Weapons in F-Zero? Lethal Marathon in Brawl, like they were dropping hints on this? (Melee: 2001, ie. before GX even came out.)

Credibility? Zero.

[Jam Stunna]

Seems pretty iffy. No one big is reporting on it yet, so I'm inclined to call it an unsubstantiated rumor until anything happens. At they very least, though, it was definitely not reported on at E3.

AX/GX logo with a Z photoshopped over it? Weapons in F-Zero? Lethal Marathon in Brawl, like they were dropping hints on this? (Melee: 2001, ie. before GX even came out.)

Credibility? Zero.

Yeah, that's true. It's a screenshot from Melee that they're calling a Brawl screenshot. Grade A reporting there.

[Effector]

Man, I wish it was true, though... I haven't played GX in forever and I loved that game.

But then again, I don't really miss throwing controllers either.

[Drack]

I would be delighted to see a Wii F-Zero. But without weapons, sheesh.

Official reports from Nintendo say that GX didn't sell well enough, so I don't think anything is in the works. Of course the linked article is bullshit.

[HideousBeing]

I've added Bigfoot, Zup, and Chris. Let me know if I missed someone.

Name: Yogusaki
Town: Amble
Fruit: Oranges (and maybe coconuts in the future- I just planted a tree)
FC: 1247-2313-4826

I share my town with younger family members who are young and impressionable, so please don't do anything obscene when visiting.

One last thing: I bought a sick Master Sword at Nooks. It looks really good, especially for Animal Crossing. If anyone is interested in buying it, I'm showcasing it upstairs in my house. When you interact with it, it plays the Windwaker Item Catch Fanfare.

[Bigfoot]

K, I've added everyone on AC so far.

[Native Jovian]

When you interact with it, it plays the Windwaker Item Catch Fanfare.
That's actually pretty damn awesome.

[Overflow]

Sooo, I got GH:WT for Wii and I'm trying to figure out how to use the drums as a midi drumkit. How can I do this?

[vega12]

Well, if your computer doesn't have a MIDI port, you could try to get a MIDI to USB cable. Then you can connect from the MIDI port on the drum kit to your computer via USB.

[Overflow]

Well, if your computer doesn't have a MIDI port, you could try to get a MIDI to USB cable. Then you can connect from the MIDI port on the drum kit to your computer via USB.

Yeah, I got one of those, but it didn't seem to work like when I use my midi keyboard. I've also tried to keep the wiimote on by connecting it via Bluetooth to my mac, but...

[HideousBeing]

So are those of us with AC gonna get together tonight somewhere?

[Overflow]

Yes!
I could host, I have a ton of pear trees so anyone can help themselves. My time zone is MST. What time would work for everyone?

[HideousBeing]

Yes!
I could host, I have a ton of pear trees so anyone can help themselves. My time zone is MST. What time would work for everyone?
What's that in GMT? I can come from about five hours after this post to 8 hours likewise.

[Bigfoot]

I bought Mushroom Men today. This game is pretty fun. :D

[Antipode]

Yeah, I think I might want to get that. The play itself looks maybe a little generic but the art and music just looks a little too badass to pass up.

[Bigfoot]

It basically plays just like Mario Galaxy.

[MechaFone]

Guys, I need some help. For anyone who's a fan of the Animal Crossing series, especially City Folk, this one's for you.

I've managed to create black roses, but I can't make any other kinds of flower by crossbreeding.
Now, this list is just to show you what I've been going on. Please tell me if I'm doing something wrong, and/or what I need to do to make these flowers come true.
Pink Cosmos = Red Cosmos + White Cosmos
Orange Cosmos = Red Cosmos + Yellow Cosmos
Black Cosmos = Red Cosmos + Red Cosmos
Orange Pansies = Red Pansies + Yellow Pansies
Purple Pansies = Red Pansies + Red Pansies
Blue Pansies = White Pansies + White Pansies
Pink Tulips = Red Tulips + White Tulips
Purple Tulips = Red Tulips + Yellow Tulips
Black Tulips = Red Tulips + Red Tulips OR Yellow Tulips + Yellow Tulips
Pink Roses = Red Roses + White Roses
Orange Roses = Red Roses + Yellow Roses
Purple Roses = White Roses + White Roses
Black Roses = Red Roses + Red Roses
Blue Roses = Black Roses + Purple Roses
Gold Roses = water wilting/withering Black Roses with the Golden Watering Can

[Overflow]

I would help, but I don't even know how to crossbreed flowers.

Next week saturday a bunch of us should totally get together in AC:CC. See K.K., get some fruit, maybe fish and show off our rare items. Good fun!

[MechaFone]

According to cheat code central, you just plant any of those combinations right next to each other, and wait for three days to pass (hell, I just skip ahead to the same time the next day, water, and skip some more, that's how I got the black roses.)
I'd love to come and play, but my Nintendo USB thing doesn't work anymore since my computer crashed :(

[Ray Falling]

You guys went from pwning Nintendo characters to cross-breeding flowers? What the heck happened? :D

Let me butch this topic up by showing...THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crRmKsFJuTU

New Tales of...game for Wii 0_0; Which is...not ToS2?

I'm still waiting for ToS2 to arrive in the mail, but this is awesome news. So many rpgs coming our way now, I can hardly keep track of them. :D

[Bigfoot]

I just beat Mushroom Men. This game is definitely worth picking up. It's fairly short, but I had fun. I clocked in almost 6 hours of game time after beating it, but there's still a lot of stuff I missed as far as collecting goes. Most games lately I have to force myself to play it, like it's a chore. This has potential to be a successful franchise, depending on where they want to go with Mushroom Men.

[Effector]

I've seen a couple of gameplay videos, y'know, just in passing, and it kind of looked like a platformer for the PS1 era with the contrast knob turned down... But I've also heard a lot of positive things about, so I've been confused a little. What's its hook?

Also, wiki says Claypool did some music for it? That gets points in my book at the very least. Is it anything worth writing home about?

Anyway, I'm trying to feel out what I should pick up post-holiday that I may have missed in the 360 barrage over the last couple of months, especially for Wii, like AC:CF and maybe this.

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, it is definitely lacking in the eye candy department. It's just a fun platformer. You play a tiny mushroom man that makes weapons such as a piece of sharp glass attached to a pencil with some gum lol.

[vega12]

Yeah, I got one of those, but it didn't seem to work like when I use my midi keyboard. I've also tried to keep the wiimote on by connecting it via Bluetooth to my mac, but...

After looking closer, it seems that yeah, it just has MIDI in, so you can't hook it up to your computer for recording purposes, but you can send stuff to the drum kit. This is used for two things that I know of: sensitivity adjustment, and for hooking up other drum kits to the game via the original drum kit's MIDI in port. So I guess the only option would be to connect to your computer via bluetooth, and I guess somehow deal with it from there, but that's not an easy task I would imagine. Unless someone has already written software for processing the drum's signals.

[Overflow]

That's too bad. Looks like I'll have to return it.

Anyways, I'll be opening up my gate in AC:CF tonight, 8:00 Central Mountain time. Anyone who wants to visit, feel free to take some of my fruit (and I'd appreciate it if you'd bring some of yours!)

[Overflow]

Yeeeeah, sorry. I had an unexpected errand come up. Hopefully next week!

[Ray Falling]

So I ordered an import copy of Tales of Symphonia 2 a while back. Sadly it got lost in the mail and I had to re-order it.
I just recieved the second order today, and I was excited to play indeed.

So I pop in the Freeloader, which of course doesn't work now. My guess is that by using Disaster: Day of Crisis I installed a firmware update that rendered the Freeloader useless.

T__T; naturally I am pissed off about this, especially since Disaster was hardly worth ruining my import-play-capability. So I erase the entire thing, hoping the firmware would be reset (it didn't HA!).

So I guess my question is: since there is no way I can reset that shit, if I buy a new Wii (*rolls eyes*) would that come with an older firmware that still does allow me to play Freeloader games, or am I pretty much screwed at this point?

The alternative is waiting for the Euro release of Tales 2, which I suppose is better than buying a new Wii altogether. Then again I'd have to re-buy Smash Brothers as well...

[PROTO·DOME]

So I guess my question is: since there is no way I can reset that shit, if I buy a new Wii (*rolls eyes*) would that come with an older firmware that still does allow me to play Freeloader games, or am I pretty much screwed at this point?

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/GeckoOS

Try this, works for me ^^
(You'll have to install the homebrew channel first which, apparently, voids your warranty. It's not risky at all, Nintendo don't like it.)

[Ray Falling]

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/GeckoOS

Try this, works for me ^^
(You'll have to install the homebrew channel first which, apparently, voids your warranty. It's not risky at all, Nintendo don't like it.)

I've tried it but I can't get it to work. (I don't have the patience for this either.) ;_;

[PROTO·DOME]

I've tried it but I can't get it to work. (I don't have the patience for this either.) ;_;

I can't think of any other way... Once it works though, it really is flawless...

[Ray Falling]

The problem is not being able to copy the Twillight hack savegame (it just refuses). I read all them wiki pages too, but I can't make much sense of them in my current condition.

[Penfold]

Downloaded Lit the other day...started out fun, but into the later levels the more annoying aspects of it gets. Sadly, it's also as you progress through the game that the design takes on unique and interesting qualities. On the last level now, and I know exactly what to do, but given the control limitations and just how perfect it requires you to be it's just frustrating. It was just so close to being a good game too! :|

I really just wanna quit, but I'm so close to beating the damn thing I feel compelled to finish it now!

EDIT: Beat it, and now I'm wondering why. I know it wasn't particularly story-driven, but it's nice when a game has, you know, an ending. That wasn't at all satisfying.

[Bigfoot]

Virtual Console Arcade launches with 4 games available now (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/25/gdc09-virtual-console-arcade-launches-with-4-games-available-no/)

Walkthrough of the new and much anticipated storage solution for the Wii: SD Channel (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/25/walkthrough-using-wii-system-menu-4-0s-sd-card-channel/)

Two new Final Fantasy games for WiiWare! My Life as a Darklord, and Final Fantasy IV: The After Years. (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/25/gdc09-a-mess-of-final-fantasy-games-for-wiiware-and-virtual-con/)

[Penfold]

Virtual Console Arcade launches with 4 games available now (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/25/gdc09-virtual-console-arcade-launches-with-4-games-available-no/)

Walkthrough of the new and much anticipated storage solution for the Wii: SD Channel (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/25/walkthrough-using-wii-system-menu-4-0s-sd-card-channel/)

Two new Final Fantasy games for WiiWare! My Life as a Darklord, and Final Fantasy IV: The After Years. (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/25/gdc09-a-mess-of-final-fantasy-games-for-wiiware-and-virtual-con/)

Very happy about the storage solution.

Also, really excited for the new Puch-Out!! after seeing the latest trailer.

[Bigfoot]

I bought some Wii points tonight. It's been forever since I last checked the VC... there are so many games now, lol.

Any WiiWare games worth getting, or can anyone recommend some classics that I might have missed out on as a child?

[Penfold]

I bought some Wii points tonight. It's been forever since I last checked the VC... there are so many games now, lol.

Any WiiWare games worth getting, or can anyone recommend some classics that I might have missed out on as a child?

If you don't have them already, I'd really recommend World of Goo and LostWinds. Bit Trip Beat is also pretty cool...rhythm game with a pong interface, haha.

Super Punch-Out!! is coming to VC on Monday, according to some IGN article I read a couple days ago. Apparently, Majora's Mask is coming to Japanese VC soon (http://wii.ign.com/articles/967/967043p1.html), so hopefully we'll get it in the not-too-distant future as well.

[The Pezman]

This (http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/#comments) makes me a sad panda, especially because said coding practices fly in the face of encapsulation and everything else we've learned about good code.

[Malaki-LEGEND.sys]

If you don't have them already, I'd really recommend World of Goo and LostWinds. Bit Trip Beat is also pretty cool...rhythm game with a pong interface, haha.

Super Punch-Out!! is coming to VC on Monday, according to some IGN article I read a couple days ago. Apparently, Majora's Mask is coming to Japanese VC soon (http://wii.ign.com/articles/967/967043p1.html), so hopefully we'll get it in the not-too-distant future as well.

I know this will sound stupid, but I would totally buy a Wii for Punch Out, Castlevania III, and Majora's Mask.

[Bigfoot]

I bought Bit Trip Beat, and that game is amazing. It gets pretty hard too. I love how everything just flows together, and it's pretty funny what happens when you start messing up a lot.

[Toadofsky]

I bought Bit Trip Beat, and that game is amazing. It gets pretty hard too. I love how everything just flows together, and it's pretty funny what happens when you start messing up a lot.

That is one of my top faves on WiiWare right now, lots of fun. Showed it to my friends, they were really interested in it.

As for good games on Wii Ware, WAIT FOR CAVE STORY. I know I played the game on PC, but since I'm running Ubuntu Linux, I'm just gonna buy it, as a way of support, for the DLC, and just cause I'm too lazy to figure out how to get some of those games a going on Ubuntu. Yes, I know how to run WINE, just don't play much PC games.

I really hope Majora's Mask comes to VC soon, I haven't played that game in years. WHEN IS PLOK! COMING?! OR RAYMAN 2?! Or CHUCK ROCK?! They need them on there!! And when is the possibility of Sega CD games coming on there? Surely if they do Turbo Graphics 16 CD games, they could do Sega CD games.



And if there's any re releases I wanna see, it's Dreamcast games. As nice as it'd be on VC, not possible on the storage, but they could definitely release a few games on one Wii Disc or two, and I'd pony up the dough to play them. And have the option to play motion/standard controls in them. That is all.

[Penfold]

Finally sat down to finish No More Heroes. Hahaha! That game was so over the top from beginning to end, it was hilarious. I can't wait for the sequel now.

EDIT: Seems like lots of potentially good games have been announced for WiiWare lately. Explodemon (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/969/969241p1.html) looks like it'll be fun, as does Night Game (http://wii.ign.com/articles/968/968644p1.html) and Icarian (http://wii.ign.com/articles/966/966663p1.html). Lots of games I'm looking forward to for this platform.

[Bigfoot]

If anyone missed their chance to pick up Okami, it's $20 on Capcom's website.

http://shop.capcom.com/store/capcomus/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.98778800

[Schwaltzvald]

Okay so yeah I decided to rebuy Fatal Frame II & III for the ps2 since a couple of former associates had "lifted" my copies and ran off. I remembered there was going to be a fourth title for the Wii.

Turns out while it did come out in Japan, seems like NoA (Nintendo of America) decided to not release it in the US (http://wii.ign.com/articles/970/970875p1.html)

A Tecmo spokesperson gave IGN the following statement:

"Nintendo holds the publishing rights to 'Fatal Frame Wii,' which was developed by Tecmo LTD. and Grasshopper Manufacture and released in Japan on July 31, 2008. Nintendo of America has since then decided not to publish the title in North America – consequently, the title will not be released in this territory. As the owner of the IP, Tecmo feels very unfortunate that the fans of the series in North America will not have a chance to play the game, but respects the final decision made by Nintendo of America."

Normally I wouldn't have too much of an issue if it was available for the 360/PS3 US as well, but since it's not. I can't find an appropriate rage.jpeg image to truly show my rage...

[Dr.Flintlock]

So Contra Rebirth is looking pretty sweet now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9rmLzDl-o8&feature=related

Here's hoping for a localization though. Looks like a lot of fun/nostalgia going on here.

I wonder if they'll throw the konami code in.

[Schwaltzvald]

Here's hoping for a localization though. Looks like a lot of fun/nostalgia going on here.

I wonder if they'll throw the konami code in.

I don't see why they wouldn't have it localized for the rest of the world; or at least here in the US as we got practically all the other contra games available here.

[SoloGamer]

Yeah, we got Gradius Rebirth here, so it's a pretty safe bet we'll get Contra as well

Question is when will it come out stateside. Took Gradius 6 months to come out over here and there isn't really a lot of text to translate.

[Calpis]

Anyone else been following Muramasa: The Demon Blade for Wiiware? It looks incredible, as far as animation goes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJDRrkH4oek

Edit: my bad, it's not a WiiWare title.

[Penfold]

Anyone else been following Muramasa: The Demon Blade for Wiiware? It looks incredible, as far as animation goes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJDRrkH4oek

Edit: my bad, it's not a WiiWare title.

Yeah, it looks really awesome. There was another game or 2 coming out for Wii that I can't recall the names of now which also 2-d that looked amazing. Very glad stylish 2-d games still have a presence. I kinda wish it were WiiWare though, mainly so I can be lazy and not have to put the disc :P.

Changing topics a bit, after beating Chibi Robo for DS, I'm now really excited to play the New Play Control version of the Gamecube release once it makes its way stateside. There's been a lot of games lately that sound great for Wii, and more coming. Guessing there'll be at least a few exciting anouncements at E3 this year too. Very good year for the Wii.

[BlackPanther]

Muramasa looks pretty sweet I'll probably get that when it comes out.

[Dr.Flintlock]

Muramasa does look pretty nice. I've had my eye on that one ever since I finished Odin Sphere a little while ago. Looking forward to it.

Also, I've been looking at Punch-Out! and I have to say that while I think it looks fun, I'm rather disappointed that Classic Control will probably be the preferred and more precise method of playing.

Now yes, I know some of you will declare to me that the game is more about pattern memorization and responding accordingly and that accurate motion controls wouldn't really help the experience in that regard. Its just my opinion that if the Wii was created with all this fancy gesture based controls to begin with, why couldn't they incorporate that into a major first-party game like this and make it the BEST control scheme.

That being said, my opinions could be proved void next week if the motion controls that are on there actually work really well.

But I doubt it

[BardicKnowledge]

Anyone here planning on getting Punchout day one? It's on my list, but I'm waiting until it's used, as I'll be getting Bionic Commando this month for the 360, which will take up plenty of my time.

[Thalzon]

Too many games right now. Man, I need a job... I was able to trade a few to pick up Klonoa and it's a joy to play, but I don't really have anything I'm willing to part with anymore, so Punch-Out, Muramasa, etc etc are going to be paid off in full dollars. That's expensive.

[SirChadlyOC]

Anyone here planning on getting Punchout day one? It's on my list, but I'm waiting until it's used, as I'll be getting Bionic Commando this month for the 360, which will take up plenty of my time.

You just took the letters right off my keyboard.

[SoloGamer]

If you're in the New York area, you can buy Punch-Out two days before the official street date.

http://www.digitalbattle.com/2009/05/14/nintendo-store-featuring-punch-out-event/

Saturday, from 1-4 PM, Nintendo will be throwing a special event at the Rockefeller Center Nintendo World store. There will be kiosks to try out the game, as well as a 32-man Punch-Out tournament. Winner gets Little Mac's pink shirt. (http://twitpic.com/53vcg)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2164/8578672ec8e3b5028bf67a7.jpg


And the final roster's been revealed, now that review copies are out. I'll spoiler the unrevealed characters just in case.

Minor Circuit:
- Glass Joe
- Von Kaiser
- Disco Kid
- King Hippo

Major Circuit:
- Piston Hondo
- Bear Hugger
- Great Tiger
- Don Flamenco

World Circuit:
- Aran Ryan
- Soda Popinski
- Bald Bull
- Super Macho Man

Championship Bout:
- Mr. Sandman

[Bigfoot]

Tatsunoko vs Capcom is coming to North America. I just imported it too... lol

http://gonintendo.com/?p=82826

[Cecilff2]

Bethesda releasing a Wii game. E3 announcement perhaps?

http://kotaku.com/5258959/bethesda-announcing-wii-game-this-year

[Native Jovian]

For some reason, my Wii runs really hot. Like, I ejected a disc this morning after it had been turned off all night, and the disc was still noticeably warm. It's on a wooden shelf, so it's not like the vents are being blocked by a carpet or anything. Anyone else run into that before?

[SirChadlyOC]

For some reason, my Wii runs really hot. Like, I ejected a disc this morning after it had been turned off all night, and the disc was still noticeably warm. It's on a wooden shelf, so it's not like the vents are being blocked by a carpet or anything. Anyone else run into that before?

Yes. In fact, I think we discussed in here in this thread like 300 pages ago.

SUMMARY: Most people's runs hot, but not everyone. Nintendo has said that it is normal and is nothing to worry about. Regardless, many of us have turned off the Connect24 option with positive, cooler results.

[SoloGamer]

Nintendo has said that it is normal and is nothing to worry about.
I'm pretty sure extreme heat can't be good for the Wii. I seem to remember several reports of busted GPUs due to the overheating. Won't affect everyone, but better to play it safe and disable WiiConnect24. Unless you're really fond of blue lights, you won't miss out on much.

[Penfold]

Apparently Majora's Mask has been added to VC today...gonna be downloading this right when I get home. Also prob gonna be picking up the new Punch-Out!! soon if I can find a good deal.

[Zup]

Yeah, mine ran hot and loud and my GPU got busted. Be careful.

[The Damned]

Considering I haven't even turned mine on in about three months, I don't think have to worry about it overheating.

Seriously, there's been nothing of interest to me over the last six or so months. And that's for all systems, not just the Wii.

[SoloGamer]

Considering I haven't even turned mine on in about three months, I don't think have to worry about it overheating.

Irrelevant when it comes to the overheating issue. It's not about turning it on, but about leaving it in standby mode. When the Wii goes to standby mode, it continues to power some components, but completely shuts off the fan. Not turning it on in a while will actually make it worse (assuming you've left WiiConnect24 on), since it'll run hot longer without a chance to cool off.

[Thalzon]

I honestly had no idea that's why my Wii was always warm. Thanks for the info. I shut it off and now it's nice and cool when it's off.

[The Damned]

Irrelevant when it comes to the overheating issue.\
But totally relevant to the lack of interesting games issue. Seriously, it's like there hasn't been anything worth playing Mario Galaxy came out.

[SirChadlyOC]

Boom Blox. De Blob. MadWorld.

Excite Bots is the current "best game nobody is buying." It's like Mario Kart + Raving Rabbids + Excite Truck.

Also, Punch Out is getting really great reviews so far. So is the new Boom Blox 2.

Honorable Mentions: Wii Ware, Rune Factory, Pikmin, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.

[Dr.Flintlock]

Majora's Mask is out on WiiWare? There goes another 10 bucks from my account.

I'm still waiting for Cave Story to be released already. Played it once already, but I want to get the real ending by playing it through on my big screen.

[Thalzon]

Boom Blox. De Blob. MadWorld.

Excite Bots is the current "best game nobody is buying." It's like Mario Kart + Raving Rabbids + Excite Truck.

Also, Punch Out is getting really great reviews so far. So is the new Boom Blox 2.

Honorable Mentions: Wii Ware, Rune Factory, Pikmin, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.

I love you. I thought I was the only one who bought de Blob. House of the Dead Overkill is another fun investment. It's not as hard as the previous games, but it's got a lot more variety concerning game modes and weapons. Klonoa is also a quality game.

[Malaki-LEGEND.sys]

You know what? I think it's time to buy a Wii.

Virtual Console is looking good with Majora's Mask finally out, and there are plenty of cool if not interesting Wii releases out now.

If they released games like Link's Awakening, Oracle of Seasons/Ages, and Wario Land out as DSiWare eventually, I'd also totally grab a DSi. No question.

[Calpis]

Boom Blox. De Blob. MadWorld.

Excite Bots is the current "best game nobody is buying." It's like Mario Kart + Raving Rabbids + Excite Truck.

Also, Punch Out is getting really great reviews so far. So is the new Boom Blox 2.

Honorable Mentions: Wii Ware, Rune Factory, Pikmin, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.
I'll add Bit.Trip.Beat to the list and I definitely got my $8 out of Crystal Defenders R2 as well. Gradius on the WiiWare is great, but it's just too bad that I suck at Gradius.

[megadave]

Quit trying to be cool people. We know Nintendo are popular so they aren't the hip underdog anymore, but Punch Out is the shit. I'd say that it beats the old Punch Out in every way imaginable and that it's the best Nintendo game to come out in a long time. That's saying something because Excite Bots is pretty awesome. Two fat Nintendo releases almost back to back and people have the nerve to ask "Where's the games?" Where's the love? MadWorld? They're not just solid, they're badass games.

I'm becoming annoyed with these "no good games since whatever Mario game" comments. If you haven't paid any attention to the Wii games coming out or the ones coming out just this summer then you need to look around, because they are out there. Heck, WiiWare and Virtual Console alone have more than my wallet can handle. It seems like every new review that comes out someone says "Finally a reason to own a Wii," as if they haven't said it about the past 15 Wii games they've reviewed. Go and out and buy the games then tell me that there's nothing worth playing.