Nintendo Wii

[Mr.Roboto]

5 VC titles for Christmas, but no freebies as rumored.

via Joystiq

* Super Mario Bros. (NES, 500 points): Nintendo's flagship title is sure to sell like hotcakes despite already racking up 40 million in sales since its 1985 release. How many times can we repurchase the game?
* Street Fighter II: The World Warrior (SNES, 800 points): Compared to the Xbox Live version, it's your choice whether you want online play or would rather pocket $2.00 in exchange rate difference (800 Nintendo points vs. 800 MS points).
* Super Castlevania IV (SNES, 800 points): One of the best in the series. Easily the best Castlevania title on the SNES, though it only had one other iteration (Castlevania Dracula X) to compete against.
* Toe Jam & Earl (Genesis, 800 points): Strong two-player action title, worth the price based on style alone.
* R-Type (TurboGrafx16, 600 points): One of the classic space shooters.

R-Type,Super Castlevania Iv and Street Fighter II?

I gotta go pick me up a Wii points card and Classic Controller.

[Dhsu]

It's painful to go back to World Warrior now. And assuming that it doesn't have online play...yeah, definitely not worth the 8 bucks.

[Calpis]

I know an FPS that the Wii should have.

Quake III Arena :p

Hell yes. That game was awesome on Dreamcast.

Has anyone had any issues with the pointer on the wii-mote kinda flickering or not registering correctly with the TV screen?
It flickers with me if I get too far from the TV, roughly 8-10 feet or so.

On another note, the DBZ fighting game is suprisingly fun (but also difficult) to play.

[Penfold]

Edit: thanks penfold. I'll do that when I get home.

No problem, hope it works out for you.

I gotta go pick me up a Wii points card and Classic Controller

lol, yeah I gotta pick up another points card soon (I have just enough left for Castlevania IV), and hopefully I'll be able to find a classic controller around here.

EDIT: btw, Calpis, what do you have your sensitivity at? I know that at that distance it will still bug when you rotate, but it definitely helps to max the sensitivity.

[Arek the Absolute]

Interesting. It seems as though the weather channel has different music for each day...or at least each part of the day. Last night when I was at the globe, it was playing a very mellow ambient song, but now it is playing this perky song.
I wanted to hear the ambient song again, but I suppose this song is alright too.

[KWarp]

Weather channel = GOOD

Opera browser releases sometime tomorrow. Prepare for the worst (Worst-case scenario: No Flash compatibility).

[I-n-j-i-n]

I wonder if you can log onto 4chan and get porn through the Wii.

[Bigfoot]

Someone should just rip the weather music from the Forecast Channel. Everyone seems to love it, haha.


I knew about Toe Jam & Earl, but SF II and Castlevania IV? Oh hell yes!! well, maybe not SF II, I'd rather wait for a better version....like Tubro or Super SFII.


Thing is, Joystiq is not always very reliable. I really hope it's true.

Edit: thanks penfold. I'll do that when I get home.


They usually have sources. In this case they do:

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=12611

[Arek the Absolute]

The music is different per day, or part of the day. I need to test this...
Also, I find it amusing that Tokyo has a different set of icons for their weather. For their rain, they have an umbrella, while we have well...rain clouds. Also, take a look at their sun.
NoJ, you guys are pretty crafty fellows.

[Neo Samus]

I noticed that too. What makes them so special that they have different icons. :P

Also if someone rips the music I will.....do....something. 8O

[Kitsuta]

I can't remember where it was posted(thought it was here but I can't find it), but apparently Toys R Us is supposed to have a bunch of Wiis Friday morning. Who thinks I should line up like a crazy person?

[KakTheInfected]

Friday? I heard Sunday...though Friday would make an awful lot more sense seeing as Sunday is the 24th.

[Bigfoot]

I can't remember where it was posted(thought it was here but I can't find it), but apparently Toys R Us is supposed to have a bunch of Wiis Friday morning. Who thinks I should line up like a crazy person?

Do it, but don't go crazy until you get inside.

[Syka]

I can't remember where it was posted(thought it was here but I can't find it), but apparently Toys R Us is supposed to have a bunch of Wiis Friday morning. Who thinks I should line up like a crazy person?

Yeah, I just called, and they said that they got some today and sold out, but they're getting more tomorrow. My sister and her friend are going early.

[Kitsuta]

I can't remember where it was posted(thought it was here but I can't find it), but apparently Toys R Us is supposed to have a bunch of Wiis Friday morning. Who thinks I should line up like a crazy person?

Yeah, I just called, and they said that they got some today and sold out, but they're getting more tomorrow. My sister and her friend are going early.

FUCK YES thank you. I kept trying to call my local stores, I only got through to them once(I made dozens of calls), and I was too stupid to ask when they'd have more in stock.

My store opens at 8am(closes at midnight). When do you think I should line up?

I can't remember where it was posted(thought it was here but I can't find it), but apparently Toys R Us is supposed to have a bunch of Wiis Friday morning. Who thinks I should line up like a crazy person?

Do it, but don't go crazy until you get inside.

Silly Bigfoot, I'm ALWAYS crazy. ;)

[Fire in the Hole]

My store opens at 8am(closes at midnight). When do you think I should line up?

5:00 is generally a good bet. They're probably not getting a ton, but it doesn't seem like it's very broadly advertised, either.

[RJG]

I can't get my Opera Browser freak on. Wii Shop Channel seems to be playing up. It's past midday on the 22nd for me, so it should be up, right?

Then again, I'm having major DNS issues here down under. Half the sites I just tried to visit are failing to load. That could have something to do with it.

That or the overwhelming demand for operatic wii.

[Bahamut]

Actually, some Toys R Us stores sold them today as soon as they got them - that seems to be the store policy, so you'd just have to wait all day for them, assuming they didn't get them today.

[KakTheInfected]

I can't get my Opera Browser freak on. Wii Shop Channel seems to be playing up. It's past midday on the 22nd for me, so it should be up, right?

Then again, I'm having major DNS issues here down under. Half the sites I just tried to visit are failing to load. That could have something to do with it.

That or the overwhelming demand for operatic wii.

I heard it's up in some places, not exactly sure where though. It's definetly not up here in the US yet.

[Kitsuta]

Actually, some Toys R Us stores sold them today as soon as they got them - that seems to be the store policy, so you'd just have to wait all day for them, assuming they didn't get them today.

Hm... well, I have no life and I live in an area that is Wii-hungry, so I'll probably just go around midnight.

[SilverStar]

So.. Looks like someone's found a way to dump the Wii games, now.

http://www.destructoid.com/new-app-unscrambles-wii-games-into-isos-28782.phtml

[KWarp]

Oh it's Wii game discs, not virtual console titles.

The music in Elebits gets better every time I hear it. :D

Play Wii Sports like every day.

[watkinzez]

Yay, posting from Wii. Now to go back to the not so incredibly squashed Firefox browser.

[KWarp]

Comments from one of my Aussie friends:
Well, for an internet browser, opera works pretty well. It passes the Strong Bad and Youtube tests. The trial version doesn't allow you to add sites to your favourites list, and as of yet you seem unable to copy and paste text. Taking bets that the final version will allow you to transfer pisctures to the photo channel to be turned into puzzles?
Video compression is evident but barely noticable, in worst case the images looked slightly muddy or blurry, a little like the cutscenes for DS games.
Also, the zoom feature seems almost ideal to get a closeup of the youtube window showing what's playing without having to click and load the fullscreen version.
EDIT~ Forgot to mention a few points.
The built-in address bar equivalent passes the one-word test, allowing you to merely type in "google" or "vgcats" etc to have the browser fill in the rest for you. The speaker on the wiimote makes some standard internetty sounds like the click of a keyboard button when you enter letters or press a button on a page. It's a cute touch.
It also comes with a handy popup blocker, but in doing so eliminates the possibility of stuff like newgrounds, or accessing AIM or MSN's internet browser versions.

[SilverStar]

Here's a real question.. does the browser pass the USB keyboard test?

[KakTheInfected]

Opera should be up for everyone now.

[KWarp]

Opera should be up for everyone now.
Downloading. :D

[KakTheInfected]

You have to go clear bck to the beginning to enter another URL? I'm glad this is a beta...

[JoeFu]

lol obligatory wii post

[KakTheInfected]

Has anyone figured out how much space Opera takes? The shop channel said something like 300 blocks and I have no idea what that translates to in MB.

[atmuh]

Wiicade aint half bad

[KakTheInfected]

Link? Too lazy to go to my PC :P

[atmuh]

www.wiicade.com

[KakTheInfected]

Some nice time killers there.

Something else this browser needs is midi support...that can't be too hard to implement, right?

[JoeFu]

I'm surprised at how fast this is.
I hope they add a lot more stuff in the final version.

[KWarp]

Wii post ftw! :D

Has anyone figured out how much space Opera takes? The shop channel said something like 300 blocks and I have no idea what that translates to in MB.

It's about a 5-1 ratio, so 45MB from 230 blocks.

[Viol8tor]

posting from my wii, and it feels weird. Browser isn't that bad, just that everything is smoothed together. And flash video works!!!. You tube videos on my t.v. ω

[!Nekko!]

Wii post ftw! :D

[Binjovi]

Wii post ftw! :D

[Viol8tor]

posting from my wii, and it feels weird. Browser isn't that bad, just that everything is smoothed together. And flash video works!!!. You tube videos on my t.v. ω

Back on my PC, and i meant smooshed.

Well, i dont think i'll be using my Wii for my daily web browsing :lol: , but its a very cool feature. Specially that it lets you bookmark your favorite sites.

Crap, i didn't check if you can use the nunchuck to browse the page (move up/down/left/right) instead of holding down B. I would imagine using the nunchuck joystick would make it much easier.

[Arek the Absolute]

Internet channel deleted. Don't need that junk taking up whatever small room there already is on my wii.
Anyhow, ya, the weather channel's music does differ by time period. It makes sense though, with the day getting a cheery tune and night time getting a very relaxing mellow tune.

[Kitsuta]

Haha, I lost.

I waited since midnight and the store didn't get a single Wii, and neither did the other store nearby.

At least the guy in the store had the courtesy to tell us a couple hours before it opened.

I really should have gone at five. There was no one there the entire night.

Anyway, it was pretty fun. Off I go to bed.

[Ayres]

posting from my wii, and it feels weird. Browser isn't that bad, just that everything is smoothed together. And flash video works!!!. You tube videos on my t.v. ω
....why did you end your post with "testicles"?

[Zeklan]

Wii post ftw! :D

[Smoke]

Comments from one of my Aussie friends:
Well, for an internet browser, opera works pretty well. It passes the Strong Bad and Youtube tests. The trial version doesn't allow you to add sites to your favourites list, and as of yet you seem unable to copy and paste text. Taking bets that the final version will allow you to transfer pisctures to the photo channel to be turned into puzzles?
Video compression is evident but barely noticable, in worst case the images looked slightly muddy or blurry, a little like the cutscenes for DS games.
Also, the zoom feature seems almost ideal to get a closeup of the youtube window showing what's playing without having to click and load the fullscreen version.
EDIT~ Forgot to mention a few points.
The built-in address bar equivalent passes the one-word test, allowing you to merely type in "google" or "vgcats" etc to have the browser fill in the rest for you. The speaker on the wiimote makes some standard internetty sounds like the click of a keyboard button when you enter letters or press a button on a page. It's a cute touch.
It also comes with a handy popup blocker, but in doing so eliminates the possibility of stuff like newgrounds, or accessing AIM or MSN's internet browser versions.

Your Aussie friend sucks at adding favorites. Just go to the site, hit up the favorites and add.

It's a pretty cool addition, although I most likely won't use it that much(Only to look stuff up quickly)

Also, Toejam & Earl and some other games were added to the PAL VC shop today. Still no new N64 games though.

EDIT: Oh hey, the Wii browser identifies itself as follows:

Opera/9.00 (Nintendo Wii; U; ; 1309-9; en)

[anthonium]

Wii post ftw! :DWOOT!

[Neo-Egyptian]

The browser is pretty cool, it was kinda satisfying to look at youtube videos and such on a TV screen. I don't actually have a wireless connection in my house and my computer is downstairs, so prior to the Wii I had to use my PSP (and steal next door's unprotected wireless) to check the net in my room. The Wii browser may not exactly be perfect, but compared to the PSP's one - which constantly informs me it's out of memory, can't show Flash video files, and is slower than a 56k modem connection - it's absolutely brilliant.

Then again, once I'm back at uni with my normal wireless setup, I can't really see me using the Wii Opera browser that much. With that said, just like the Forecast Channel it's a harmless addition that's actually pretty fun to use, and best of all it's free (for now anyway).

On a slightly related note, I went out for a big birthday meal with my mates last night and a few of us came back for a little drunken Wii action. The seven of us present all had a great time with it, no-one managed to break anything despite several exaggerated arm motions, and the 4 girls present really got into it. This is particularly impressive when you keep in mind these girls have never owned a console before, and have always completely switched off when me and the guys start talking about anything video game-related. That all of them expressed an interest in buying a Wii after no more than 30 minutes of play is frankly astounding.

Great success!

[G_D]

Just going off-topic to say that the PS3 got smacked by the writers at woot (www.woot.com) today.

Woot Sells PS3? Wii, Wii!

So, hey, check it out: there’s this awesome new gaming system that we just can’t stop playing. Too bad it’s so hard to find in stores – we guess they just didn’t make enough of them. It’s called the Nintendo Wii, and holy mother of Zelda, is it ever a blast. If the Wii is cool with polygamy, we might ask it to marry us.

The controller – so easy! No more intricate push-this-twice, pull-that-three-times trickery, just easy waves of the hand. The console – so cute! It actually makes our gaming room look better, unlike the bulky, ugly consoles we could mention. How does Nintendo keep the price so low on that thing, anyway? And the games, good Lord, the games! Not to mention those adorable avatars. We’ve already created virtual versions of the entire staff, so we can beat each other virtually-bloody instead of actually-bloody, like we usually do. The only problem is that none of the nose options are as big as Jason’s actual nose. But that’s a minor quibble.

In fact, we love the Wii so much, we want to give a Wii to everybody on our payroll. To fund this Wii-for-the-People program, we're selling this Sony PlayStation 3. The SIXAXIS wireless controller is basically the same complicated gazillion-button-style controller you know from past PS models, but at least you won’t be fighting Grandma for gaming time. Along with the usual roster of ho-hum games, the PS3 can play CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Ray discs, and the 20GB hard drive can store music, videos, and music videos. It’s certainly, er, rather full-figured, for those of you who want a lot of heft for your money. And its HDMI capabilities give you polygons and frames-per-second out the wazoo, if you prefer that stuff to having fun.

Best of all, for every PS3 you buy, we can buy Wiis for two of our employees. So when you get frustrated by those intricate combo-button moves, or bored by the underwhelming game offerings for the PS3, keep the spirit of the season in mind. Remember all those happy Woot staffers whose lives have been changed by their super-fun Nintendo Wiis, paid for by you. Heartwarming, isn’t it?

Dare I say, "pwned!!11"?

[Bahamut]

Just going off-topic to say that the PS3 got smacked by the writers at woot (www.woot.com) today.

Woot Sells PS3? Wii, Wii!

So, hey, check it out: there’s this awesome new gaming system that we just can’t stop playing. Too bad it’s so hard to find in stores – we guess they just didn’t make enough of them. It’s called the Nintendo Wii, and holy mother of Zelda, is it ever a blast. If the Wii is cool with polygamy, we might ask it to marry us.

The controller – so easy! No more intricate push-this-twice, pull-that-three-times trickery, just easy waves of the hand. The console – so cute! It actually makes our gaming room look better, unlike the bulky, ugly consoles we could mention. How does Nintendo keep the price so low on that thing, anyway? And the games, good Lord, the games! Not to mention those adorable avatars. We’ve already created virtual versions of the entire staff, so we can beat each other virtually-bloody instead of actually-bloody, like we usually do. The only problem is that none of the nose options are as big as Jason’s actual nose. But that’s a minor quibble.

In fact, we love the Wii so much, we want to give a Wii to everybody on our payroll. To fund this Wii-for-the-People program, we're selling this Sony PlayStation 3. The SIXAXIS wireless controller is basically the same complicated gazillion-button-style controller you know from past PS models, but at least you won’t be fighting Grandma for gaming time. Along with the usual roster of ho-hum games, the PS3 can play CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Ray discs, and the 20GB hard drive can store music, videos, and music videos. It’s certainly, er, rather full-figured, for those of you who want a lot of heft for your money. And its HDMI capabilities give you polygons and frames-per-second out the wazoo, if you prefer that stuff to having fun.

Best of all, for every PS3 you buy, we can buy Wiis for two of our employees. So when you get frustrated by those intricate combo-button moves, or bored by the underwhelming game offerings for the PS3, keep the spirit of the season in mind. Remember all those happy Woot staffers whose lives have been changed by their super-fun Nintendo Wiis, paid for by you. Heartwarming, isn’t it?

Dare I say, "pwned!!11"?

Don't forget the image that pops up if you click the PS3 image:

http://www.woot.com/Images/Sale/Sony_PlayStation_3QM4-detail.jpg

[KakTheInfected]

Did they update the browser overnight? Some Youtube videos don't seem to work anymore, and flash sites just seem more buggy in general.

[The Author]

Silly question: Can you store the browser on a memory card and just pop it in when you want to surf the web?

[KakTheInfected]

Probably not, since it has to be in your Channels to access it (which would require you to copy it back over to the Wii).

[Doulifée]

Silly question: Can you store the browser on a memory card and just pop it in when you want to surf the web?

There is a block called "Internet channel" i suppose it's the browser.

Probably not, since it has to be in your Channels to access it (which would require you to copy it back over to the Wii).

In the worst case yup. i'll test that to see how that work.

EDIT: the file can't be copied. So it's a no go.

[The Author]

Well, actually that way would be fine. You can get it free and bring it back when needed.

(Also, tomorrow I will be back with my Wii. My parents had it for 2 weeks now, and it is time for me to get it back.)

[Doulifée]

Well, actually that way would be fine. You can get it free and bring it back when needed.

(Also, tomorrow I will be back with my Wii. My parents had it for 2 weeks now, and it is time for me to get it back.)

that explain why you're still grey in my adress book then.

[The Author]

Yeah, I'll set up my internet thing at home for my christmas vacation.


But yeah, it has been 2 weeks without my Wii, and I miss it.

[MisterBiggler]

Did they update the browser overnight? Some Youtube videos don't seem to work anymore, and flash sites just seem more buggy in general.
I was surprised to hear they worked to begin with. I DLed the browser an hour ago and not a single video would launch. Sad times.

(edit) Youtube works (again, I guess?) from the Wii. Google video also works.

[KakTheInfected]

Boo on Nintendo then...this browser takes up too much space, no matter how much functionality is added to it. For christ sake, just let us use our SD cards and USB hard drives how they're intended. Hackers are going to do it if you don't anyway.

[Bahamut]

How much space does it take up?

[KakTheInfected]

230 blocks, or rougly 45MB according to Kwarp's post.

I know that doesn't seem like a lot now, but we're only a month into the console's life. That 512MB is going to be eaten up fast if we aren't allowed to use other storage methods.

[Smoke]

The browser takes up 230 blocks on my system, and I can also copy it over to an SD Card, where it takes up 28.6 MB(Filename Content.bin) It can be copied back and forth with no restrictions, favorites are saved as a separate file.

[Doulifée]

My bad you can copy the internett channel on a sd. select channel in the save menu, and you're done.

[The Author]

Perfect, now all I have to do is buy a SD card...

[Amayirot Akago]

Well, I went to Dixons at 10:00 this morning, picked it up, then went to look around for some other stuff I wanted, and finally made my way home with my Wii, Zelda TP, Wii Play + remote, Nunchuk, AND Classic Controller. SCORE!

I've been playing around with the games and the channels all day since then and I FUCKING LOVE THIS THING. Period.

[Bigfoot]

Wiimote prototypes.

http://www.cubed3.com/news/6482/1/Wii_Remote_Prototypes

[Neo-Egyptian]

I saw that the other day, the one with the Mario 64-esque star on it is absolutely hilarious.

In other news, I used the Wii browser for the second time today and, when trying to watch some youtube videos I'd successfully watched earlier on the Wii, was informed I didn't have the right version of Flash. This seems completely stupid given that I haven't changed any settings on the Wii or updated it or anything since I last used it - anyone else having this problem?

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, it's that way for all now.

[Bahamut]

So, I'm currently listening to CAGcast, and they mentioned the Wii here. It seems that there's quite a bit of Zelda criticism in there, and CheapyD's overall assessment of the system is that it still has a lot more to go. Thoughts?

[KakTheInfected]

Well, as far as Zelda goes, it definetly could have been better considering it was in development for so long by Nintendo. You can't even explore Zora's River or Snowpeak on foot...wazupwidat?

[Bahamut]

Well to be fair, Zelda is a Gamecube game at heart, so it doesn't take advantage of the Wii at all.

[Neo-Egyptian]

To explain why I adore the Wii and really couldn't care less about criticism aimed at it, I kinda need to explain part of my 'gaming history'. This is kinda long, so I apologise in advance!

Having played, owned and loved both the NES and the SNES, I was suitably excited in 1997 when the N64 launched in the UK. Mario 64 was amazing - it was Mario in 3D! Then there was Goldeneye, which at the time was easily the best game I'd ever played. Surely my love for console gaming could never die!

And then the N64 flopped, I played Half Life for the first time, and I moved on to PC games and completely lost interest in console games. The PS2 failed to grab my attention, I had no interest in the X-Box, and I ended up getting a second-hand Gamecube several years after it launched for a measily £50, if only to play the two Metroid games and eventually Resi 4. Don't get me wrong, I loved my GC, but it just felt like an N64 with prettier graphics.

The reason I love PC games - specifically FPSs - is the control you get with a mouse and a keyboard, which I find far more immersive than anything I'd previously played on a console. Now I know you can all see where I'm obviously going with this, so I'll skip to the chase - when I saw the Wii controller at E3, I was instantly intruiged, perhaps even excited. Me, excited about a new games console? Surely not!

But there were doubts. Would there be games that could utilise the controller well? Could Nintendo genuinally create a system that allowed for so much fun that I would overlook the worryingly 'similar to current-gen' graphics? Most importantly of all, would the controller actually work?

The answer to the above three, for me anyway, is a resounding yes. I love the Wii - I find the controller to be astoundingly accurate whether I'm bowling, playing tennis, or simply navigating a menu screen. Everyone I've had round to play on it - whether they be people who thought the Wii looked stupid, girls who've never enjoyed playing video games, and even my parents - has had a great time with the console, so much so that several of them want to buy one now, my dad keeps asking me to play a round or two of tennis, and I've been requested to bring it over to a mate's house tonight. I frankly couldn't give two shits about the simplistic nature of the graphics, because when I play the Wii, I think 'this is ridiculously good fun' rather than 'why can't I play this at 1080p, and why doesn't everything look photo-realistic?'. Futhermore, I don't question why the Wii doesn't have a 60GB harddrive or blu-ray technology, because to seriously ask things like this both means a) you're actually preventing yourself having a really good time and b) you are an absolute tool. People should embrace innovation, not sneer at products that try and do things a little differently. The real lack of power for me is to chuck a harddrive I don't need, a lot of technology I don't want and some fancy graphics card into a console and call it new.

So, yeah, those are my thoughts on the Wii, and criticism aimed at it. I am fully prepared to be seen a raving Nintendo fanboy after this post, and that's fine for one simple reason - I've been completely dissinterested and dissatisfied with the console game industry for a good 10 years. Thanks for Nintendo, I now love it again.

[The Author]

Maybe Nintendo is not responsible, maybe its YouTube...

[JoeFu]

Well, as long as daily motion works I'm alright with that.

I just watched like 4 episodes of Robot Chicken with my brother, man it's awesome.

[Penfold]

Well, as long as daily motion works I'm alright with that.

I just watched like 4 episodes of Robot Chicken with my brother, man it's awesome.

Yay for Robot Chicken( and Venture Bros. but that's neither here nor there :P).

[Cyanide cr MK]

So I was playing Monkey Ball last night and I quit the game with the Home button. As soon as I get back to the wii channels menu, i realize the controller isnt working. every time i hit any button, all 4 blue lights just keep flashing.

I figured it was the batteries since I hadn't changed them yet, so I did that. Same results. I resync the controller , same results. I change the batteries again, same results, resync the controller again , same.

I have insurance on my console since I got a bundle from Toys R Us, but before I send it for repair I wanted to see if anyone is familiar with this problem, and if there might be something I'm missing.

Thanks in advance.

[Cerd_Fen]

So what's the longest anyone waited in line for a Wii?

Err.... 25 hours in front of Super Target... in weather that didn't once get above 33 degrees Farenheit, with wind and snow through the night. For a Wii... for my little brothers for Christmas... I'm crazy, I know. :lol:

Edit: This was from 7:00 AM on Saturday the 16th, to 8:00 AM on Sunday the 17th. Third launch of the consoles at that store, and our family's last sure chance of getting the console for Christmas. Here's to hoping it was worth it, and hoping I score enough brownie points with the siblings to ensure I get a good deal of use out of the Wii before I ship back to college.

[The Author]

So I was playing Monkey Ball last night and I quit the game with the Home button. As soon as I get back to the wii channels menu, i realize the controller isnt working. every time i hit any button, all 4 blue lights just keep flashing.

I figured it was the batteries since I hadn't changed them yet, so I did that. Same results. I resync the controller , same results. I change the batteries again, same results, resync the controller again , same.

I have insurance on my console since I got a bundle from Toys R Us, but before I send it for repair I wanted to see if anyone is familiar with this problem, and if there might be something I'm missing.

Thanks in advance.

Turn off the Wii and turn it one again.

[SilverStar]

So. PS3 can't move off the shelves, and now Nintendo is trying to be Sony.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/pokemon/nintendo-hates-importers-wants-to-collect-them-all-223754.php

At this point, I'm growing heavily reactionary. If they keep this up much longer, I may well just sell my Wii off and go for a 360 and not look back at Nintendo. They seriously should learn from Sony.

Hell.. first they scream from the rafters that there's no market for importers, and now when one of their popular games is getting imported, they go all batshit on them and try to say they're losing money on it.

[KakTheInfected]

So I was playing Monkey Ball last night and I quit the game with the Home button. As soon as I get back to the wii channels menu, i realize the controller isnt working. every time i hit any button, all 4 blue lights just keep flashing.

I figured it was the batteries since I hadn't changed them yet, so I did that. Same results. I resync the controller , same results. I change the batteries again, same results, resync the controller again , same.

I have insurance on my console since I got a bundle from Toys R Us, but before I send it for repair I wanted to see if anyone is familiar with this problem, and if there might be something I'm missing.

Thanks in advance.

Take the batteries out of the controller and leave them out for a good 5 minutes. After you put the batteries back in, start up the Wii by pressing the Power button on the console itself, then hold it's sync button for about 20 seconds. Then press the sync button on the Wiimote and see if that works.

[Bigfoot]

So. PS3 can't move off the shelves, and now Nintendo is trying to be Sony.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/pokemon/nintendo-hates-importers-wants-to-collect-them-all-223754.php

At this point, I'm growing heavily reactionary. If they keep this up much longer, I may well just sell my Wii off and go for a 360 and not look back at Nintendo. They seriously should learn from Sony.

Hell.. first they scream from the rafters that there's no market for importers, and now when one of their popular games is getting imported, they go all batshit on them and try to say they're losing money on it.

Isn't this just Nintendo Europe?

[The Author]

So. PS3 can't move off the shelves, and now Nintendo is trying to be Sony.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/pokemon/nintendo-hates-importers-wants-to-collect-them-all-223754.php

At this point, I'm growing heavily reactionary. If they keep this up much longer, I may well just sell my Wii off and go for a 360 and not look back at Nintendo. They seriously should learn from Sony.

Hell.. first they scream from the rafters that there's no market for importers, and now when one of their popular games is getting imported, they go all batshit on them and try to say they're losing money on it.

Actually, Nintendo Europe is probably complaining because it makes them be a weaker division. But still, it's a bunch of wankage if you ask me.

[Kitsuta]

So. PS3 can't move off the shelves, and now Nintendo is trying to be Sony.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/pokemon/nintendo-hates-importers-wants-to-collect-them-all-223754.php

At this point, I'm growing heavily reactionary. If they keep this up much longer, I may well just sell my Wii off and go for a 360 and not look back at Nintendo. They seriously should learn from Sony.

Hell.. first they scream from the rafters that there's no market for importers, and now when one of their popular games is getting imported, they go all batshit on them and try to say they're losing money on it.

Just as a note, I consider the first statement to be highly inaccurate. PS3s are still in high demand and sell easily in most areas.

As for Nintendo "trying to be Sony," it's quite a stretch. Are they being bitchy about importing games? Sure they are. Here's a hint, though - it's THEIR PRODUCT. They have the legal right to ask that their product not be imported to other countries, even if it's a bit silly. But we don't know their side of the story - it's possible that imports of games to Europe were pretty low until Pokemon, and now they've shot up liek woah.

What Sony did was bad press not because they didn't want their console imported, but because they used bully tactics to crush the company that didn't dance to their tune. Cease and desist letters are a far cry from suing a small company into oblivion.

[Amayirot Akago]

Would anyone care to explain to me how the whole Emailing to and from your Wii works?

[The Author]

BTW, Evilhead will call us hypocrites.

[Arek the Absolute]

Hahah, thta is like stating the obvious RD :lol:

[linkspast]

Could some one explain to me how importing hurts companies? I always figured that if Nintendo (or any other company) makes an item and they sell it. They get the money from the retailers. Then after that any transaction made with their item will not benefit or harm them at all.

well thats how I figured it was.

So whats there deal?

[SilverStar]

So. PS3 can't move off the shelves, and now Nintendo is trying to be Sony.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/pokemon/nintendo-hates-importers-wants-to-collect-them-all-223754.php

At this point, I'm growing heavily reactionary. If they keep this up much longer, I may well just sell my Wii off and go for a 360 and not look back at Nintendo. They seriously should learn from Sony.

Hell.. first they scream from the rafters that there's no market for importers, and now when one of their popular games is getting imported, they go all batshit on them and try to say they're losing money on it.

Just as a note, I consider the first statement to be highly inaccurate. PS3s are still in high demand and sell easily in most areas.

As for Nintendo "trying to be Sony," it's quite a stretch. Are they being bitchy about importing games? Sure they are. Here's a hint, though - it's THEIR PRODUCT. They have the legal right to ask that their product not be imported to other countries, even if it's a bit silly. But we don't know their side of the story - it's possible that imports of games to Europe were pretty low until Pokemon, and now they've shot up liek woah.

What Sony did was bad press not because they didn't want their console imported, but because they used bully tactics to crush the company that didn't dance to their tune. Cease and desist letters are a far cry from suing a small company into oblivion.

To use the "It's their product, they have the right to say who it can and cannot be sold to!" excuse, is no different than saying, "It's their product, they have the right to say white people aren't allowed to buy it. Ever!" It's totally marketplace discrimination, in a global market.

If a company cannot or is not willing to release their product in a timely manner, yet the product finds its way to customers in an unreleased market, they have no right to complain. If people were choosing to import rather than purchase the product locally when it IS available there, then they can bitch all they want about how it's costing them sales. When it isn't available, and quite probably won't be for most of a year, the only ones hurting their sales in a market showing a decided interest in the product, is themselves.

[Kitsuta]

Could some one explain to me how importing hurts companies? I always figured that if Nintendo (or any other company) makes an item and they sell it. They get the money from the retailers. Then after that any transaction made with their item will not benefit or harm them at all.

well thats how I figured it was.

So whats there deal?

Well, it obviously hurts the different branches. Nintendo of Europe needs lovin' too, not just NoA!

But, I think it hurts the company overall too. If people in Europe get a game before it's even released in Europe, that leaves NoE at a big disadvantage. And if NoE makes too many copies of a game because they overestimated demand, that hurts the company overall, since games in NoE are more expensive to make(VAT taxes lolz) than games in America.

Other than that, I'm not really sure.

[anthonium]

Would anyone care to explain to me how the whole Emailing to and from your Wii works?

Every Wii console has a number. To email someone you simply go to your address book and add someone's email address on there. Once that is done you simply click on the email address and a compose box will appear where you write your message and send it. To email to the Wii it's pretty much the Wii's number @ wii.com. Something like that. It's pretty simple really.

[The Author]

Could some one explain to me how importing hurts companies? I always figured that if Nintendo (or any other company) makes an item and they sell it. They get the money from the retailers. Then after that any transaction made with their item will not benefit or harm them at all.

well thats how I figured it was.

So whats there deal?

So you have the mother company: Nintendo.

It produces a game. Lets say Super Mario Brother 2.

According to how Super Mario Brother (their previous installement) sold, they produce 6 million copies (about 1 million more copies than the initial launch number and what not. Its adjusted, trust me.)

Then, they look at where their games sold.

Out of their 5 million, their Japan division moved 2 million. Their American division moved 2 milion. Their European division moved 1 million.

So at their initial shipment, they send NoJ 2.4 million copies. They send NoA 2.4 million copies and they send NoE 1.2 million copies. However, they will only release in Europe a month later because a big title was juste released in Europe.

During that time, 50 000 copies are imported from NoA to Europe. Which means that by the time the initial shipment is sold, NoA will have sold out faster and NoE will not have sold their whole quantity.

[Kitsuta]

So. PS3 can't move off the shelves, and now Nintendo is trying to be Sony.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/pokemon/nintendo-hates-importers-wants-to-collect-them-all-223754.php

At this point, I'm growing heavily reactionary. If they keep this up much longer, I may well just sell my Wii off and go for a 360 and not look back at Nintendo. They seriously should learn from Sony.

Hell.. first they scream from the rafters that there's no market for importers, and now when one of their popular games is getting imported, they go all batshit on them and try to say they're losing money on it.

Just as a note, I consider the first statement to be highly inaccurate. PS3s are still in high demand and sell easily in most areas.

As for Nintendo "trying to be Sony," it's quite a stretch. Are they being bitchy about importing games? Sure they are. Here's a hint, though - it's THEIR PRODUCT. They have the legal right to ask that their product not be imported to other countries, even if it's a bit silly. But we don't know their side of the story - it's possible that imports of games to Europe were pretty low until Pokemon, and now they've shot up liek woah.

What Sony did was bad press not because they didn't want their console imported, but because they used bully tactics to crush the company that didn't dance to their tune. Cease and desist letters are a far cry from suing a small company into oblivion.

To use the "It's their product, they have the right to say who it can and cannot be sold to!" excuse, is no different than saying, "It's their product, they have the right to say white people aren't allowed to buy it. Ever!" It's totally marketplace discrimination, in a global market.

If a company cannot or is not willing to release their product in a timely manner, yet the product finds its way to customers in an unreleased market, they have no right to complain. If people were choosing to import rather than purchase the product locally when it IS available there, then they can bitch all they want about how it's costing them sales. When it isn't available, and quite probably won't be for most of a year, the only ones hurting their sales in a market showing a decided interest in the product, is themselves.

You know that the only way they can make the games launch on the same day worldwide is to delay it for the US while they localize it for the UK, right? That kinda puts them in a bind.

But, I don't really care. Until they start bullying small companies and abusing the legal system, it's not omigoshterrible for them to bitch about their games being imported.

[Hector]

I think part of the problem might actually be that they are worried about legal restrictions in other countries. If game A has something that makes country B have reason to object to it (to give an old example, Chrono was localized to chug soda instead of bear in the US version), the company would be worried for their reputation regarding imports (though with regards to Pokemon, I've no idea what that could be).

Then there's the matter of price. Europeans tend to be charged more so that imported games can compete with localized games to some degree.

Then of course, there's the third problem that everyone has already mentioned.

[Red Shadow]

good god who cares

its fucking pokemon

[Cyanide cr MK]

So I was playing Monkey Ball last night and I quit the game with the Home button. As soon as I get back to the wii channels menu, i realize the controller isnt working. every time i hit any button, all 4 blue lights just keep flashing.

I figured it was the batteries since I hadn't changed them yet, so I did that. Same results. I resync the controller , same results. I change the batteries again, same results, resync the controller again , same.

I have insurance on my console since I got a bundle from Toys R Us, but before I send it for repair I wanted to see if anyone is familiar with this problem, and if there might be something I'm missing.

Thanks in advance.

Take the batteries out of the controller and leave them out for a good 5 minutes. After you put the batteries back in, start up the Wii by pressing the Power button on the console itself, then hold it's sync button for about 20 seconds. Then press the sync button on the Wiimote and see if that works.

Thanks. I actually fixed it by unplugging the console for about a half a minute, plugging it back in and resyncing the controller. phew! Right as Im finishing FFXII and getting ready to play Zelda!

[JoeFu]

good god who cares

its fucking pokemon

Well, Japan cares. That game has almost sold over 4 million in Japan already. That may be why they don't want people importing it. Maybe they need the game in Japan where it is actually on sale.

EDIT: It seems YouTube works agian. I was just watching some Angry Video Game Nerd (or nintendo nerd) on it.

[Soma]

haha, im tying this on my wii. this isn't that horrible. opera browser ftw.

[Arek the Absolute]

Ahaha, if what I am thinking can be done, that is awesome.
Smoke, I suggest you check the ip's of those that posted from their wii's. I am wondering if the wii's ip is randomly proxied, and if so, this forum is available for quite the troll raid.

[The Tromboner]

I just did this on my Wii. Sick. This Opera browser is pretty slick.

[Linkjing Donuts]

Ahaha, if what I am thinking can be done, that is awesome.
Smoke, I suggest you check the ip's of those that posted from their wii's. I am wondering if the wii's ip is randomly proxied, and if so, this forum is available for quite the troll raid.
Who would have the patience to troll letter by letter on the Wii?

[The Unsung Plumber]

Wii post FTW!

And tomorrow? PS3 post!

And does anyone notice that when your on the Wii, the lines that separate the sigs looks like tiny words?

[Dunnowhathuh]

Decided I'd follow the trend and post from my Wii, pretty cool.

[HunterKiller]

Hahaha!! I'm using the intarwii!

[Bahamut]

Holy shit didn't this thread just have 20 pages last night?

[atmuh]

Holy shit didn't this thread just have 20 pages last night?
probably but we had all these silly people with their useless "posting from my wii" posts.

[anthonium]

So how does this WII browser work anyway? does it erase history and cache after you exit a page or close the browser or what?

[Bigfoot]

I'm going to guess that it dumps it each time you go to a page.

[atmuh]

So how does this WII browser work anyway? does it erase history and cache after you exit a page or close the browser or what?
I logged into youtube yesterday and I was still logged in today so it must save stuff to cache.

Couldn't that potentially be a bad thing?

[KWarp]

Also necessary of course. :roll:

I'm amazed how quickly this thread is growing. Too much work to keep up.

For Wii peoples, visit orisinal.com for some good flash games

[Arek the Absolute]

Dunno about you guys, but I was able to copy my game to the sd card >___>.
Instead of going to data, go to channel and copy the channel to your sd card. I tested it, deleted the rom off of my wii, copied it back on, and it had everything the same.

[KWarp]

Internet channel deleted. Don't need that junk taking up whatever small room there already is on my wii.
I wouldn't be worried about HD space for a while. Theoretically one would have to download every Wii Channel and Virtual Console title released to fill it up by summer. By then we should hear of a hard drive add-on.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Dunno about you guys, but I was able to copy my game to the sd card >___>.
Instead of going to data, go to channel and copy the channel to your sd card. I tested it, deleted the rom off of my wii, copied it back on, and it had everything the same.

Soon there will be no need to buy any of the VC games. Just the way it's supposed to be.

[Arek the Absolute]

It wasn't like it wasn't legal...
I am going to see if I can upload it to the internets soon, and if so, shall we start a sharing ring?

[KWarp]

Has anyone put their controller in a monolith-like upright position on their desk? It looks fucking awesome. :D

[JoeFu]

Dunno about you guys, but I was able to copy my game to the sd card >___>.
Instead of going to data, go to channel and copy the channel to your sd card. I tested it, deleted the rom off of my wii, copied it back on, and it had everything the same.

Yeah... you can do that, I'm pretty sure it's a "feature". Because there is a limited space for the channels they let you do that. Also, people thought they "cracked the VC", but it turns out each game was encoded with stuff that is specific to each wii. I thought this was old news?

[RJG]

Dunno about you guys, but I was able to copy my game to the sd card >___>.
Instead of going to data, go to channel and copy the channel to your sd card. I tested it, deleted the rom off of my wii, copied it back on, and it had everything the same.

Yeah... you can do that, I'm pretty sure it's a "feature". Because there is a limited space for the channels they let you do that. Also, people thought they "cracked the VC", but it turns out each game was encoded with stuff that is specific to each wii. I thought this was old news?

Yeah, that's normal, as far as I remember. Although, once your Wii logs onto the Shopping Channel and sees a game on there that isn't supposed to be, according to Nintendo's database, you might be in a bit of trouble.

Still, you could always buy another Wii. One for keeping offline with all the emulated goodies. You won't be able to play new games on it either, since new games will come packed with the latest updates for non-online console owners.

[giga]

no sharing ring, then.

[PriZm]

Quick question for Wii users.

Can I use a GC action replay to play a GC import ?

[Drack]

Quick question for Wii users.

Can I use a GC action replay to play a GC import ?The GC Freeloader disc and the Action Replay both work.

Also, threadbreak lol.

[Smoke]

Quick question for Wii users.

Can I use a GC action replay to play a GC import ?The GC Freeloader disc and the Action Replay both work.

Also, threadbreak lol.

Partially. Freeloader 1.06B doesn't work on the Wii.

[CE]

Hey, sup guys? Just checking in to post on my Wii. This thing is surprisingly fast. By the way, what's the Euro release date for warioware?

[Bahamut]

Never cause Europe sucks! :P

[KakTheInfected]

Are there rewards for Pro status in golf, baseball and tennis for Wii Sports?

[CE]

Never cause Europe sucks! :P
You don't get an opinion because you hated the spinner.
BTW, watching the yugioh abridged series here has been one of my greatest Wii experiences.

[Smoke]

Hey, sup guys? Just checking in to post on my Wii. This thing is surprisingly fast. By the way, what's the Euro release date for warioware?

January 12th, January 15th for the US.

[CE]

Hey, sup guys? Just checking in to post on my Wii. This thing is surprisingly fast. By the way, what's the Euro release date for warioware?

January 12th, January 15th for the US.
Holy shit, really? You just made my day Smoke.

[supremespleen]

So what is more responsive? Sensor bar on top? Or on bottom?

[KakTheInfected]

Bottom works better for me.

And nobody knows the answer to my question for Wii Sports? :(

[KWarp]

So what is more responsive? Sensor bar on top? Or on bottom?
Prefer the bottom, don't feel like I'm pointing up all the time.

[giga]

Internet channel is sort of slow for me, but that might just be my router.

[Power Surge]

Holy shit. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/23/one-wii-to-control-the-entire-house)

[Citris]

Holy shit. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/23/one-wii-to-control-the-entire-house)
QFE.

[Bahamut]

Crazy, hackers are going nuts on the Wii.

[Bigfoot]

Holy shit. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/23/one-wii-to-control-the-entire-house)

Did you read some of the comments on the blog? People always gotta complain about something.

"I was hoping for something that could be use to me :("

"how about just getting off your ass and turning the lights offe"

[DarkeSword]

That's just a web-page the guy is browsing with his Wii Browser. He can do the same thing from a PC. It's not a hack, and not all that impressive.

[Bahamut]

Oh I didn't read it carefully...guess I need those hooked on phonics.

[RJG]

Quick question for Wii users.

Can I use a GC action replay to play a GC import ?The GC Freeloader disc and the Action Replay both work.

Also, threadbreak lol.

Partially. Freeloader 1.06B doesn't work on the Wii.

And of course the only one I have is the FreeLoader 1.06B. Bugger.

I guess I'll have to wait for someone to release a similar device for Wii that hopefully includes GameCube support.

And of course Nintendo doesn't release an update to stop it from working. Knowing PAL and Nintendo though, they're going to take every measure to screw importers over.

This wouldn't be happening if Lik Sang were still here! I would have an NTSC Wii already and not need importing stuff. </rant>

[Smoke]

Datel's already working on a new Freeloader that's Wii-compatible. And until then my GC is still hooked up, so I can use it if I have to(It's a button-press on my SCART switchbox away)

[CE]

Downloaded Columns, Gunstar Heroes and Golden Axe. We're going crazy on the 2 player thing.

[Bigfoot]

Bottom works better for me.

And nobody knows the answer to my question for Wii Sports? :(

Not that I know of. It seems that you just get a different ball with bowling and that's it. :(




I'm bored with the Wii atm, but I do only have 2 games(not counting Wii sports).

[Funkoid]

I'm bored with the Wii atm...

Same here. I can't wait for Wario Ware to come out, but until then, I'm casually playing Wii Sports every now and then with friends, but mostly going back to my PS2.

God, does Guitar Hero EVER get old? One of the best values I ever got out of a game.

[JoeFu]

Bottom works better for me.

And nobody knows the answer to my question for Wii Sports? :(

Not that I know of. It seems that you just get a different ball with bowling and that's it. :(




I'm bored with the Wii atm, but I do only have 2 games(not counting Wii sports).

Get Elebits!

It's a really fun game.

[Bahamut]

I'm bored with the Wii atm...

Same here. I can't wait for Wario Ware to come out, but until then, I'm casually playing Wii Sports every now and then with friends, but mostly going back to my PS2.

God, does Guitar Hero EVER get old? One of the best values I ever got out of a game.

Me three. Good thing I got a new XBox 360 & Gears of War for the moment.

And Guitar Hero is just fun to pick up and play...who knows when it'll get old, especially if they keep releasing games, although MTV recently bought out Harmonix :( .

[Ruth Loose]

I'm bored with the Wii atm...

Same here. I can't wait for Wario Ware to come out, but until then, I'm casually playing Wii Sports every now and then with friends, but mostly going back to my PS2.

God, does Guitar Hero EVER get old? One of the best values I ever got out of a game.

Me three. Good thing I got a new XBox 360 & Gears of War for the moment.

And Guitar Hero is just fun to pick up and play...who knows when it'll get old, especially if they keep releasing games, although MTV recently bought out Harmonix :( .

Guitar Hero is DDR 2.0 (with your hands instead of your feet) only this time it is cool! For those bored with the Wii try out Madden's mini games... great way to waste time until Monday when the new VC games are released.

[The Unsung Plumber]

I'm bored with the Wii atm...

Same here. I can't wait for Wario Ware to come out, but until then, I'm casually playing Wii Sports every now and then with friends, but mostly going back to my PS2.

God, does Guitar Hero EVER get old? One of the best values I ever got out of a game.

Me three. Good thing I got a new XBox 360 & Gears of War for the moment.

And Guitar Hero is just fun to pick up and play...who knows when it'll get old, especially if they keep releasing games, although MTV recently bought out Harmonix :( .

My friend let me borrow that thursday, and I have to admit that it is very awesome.

That and my "Video game God" brother can't play it for shit!

[Fire in the Hole]

I was about to come on ranting and raving, wondering why Super Castlevania IV wasn't available in the Wii Shop Channel, until I realized it's been less than a week since I determined to buy it and it's not quite Christmas day yet.

:roll:

For those bored with the Wii try out Madden's mini games... great way to waste time until Monday when the new VC games are released.

I've been meaning to ask someone... how good is Madden? Would it be worth getting for someone like me who, despite not liking most sports games of the sort, knows several people who would probably enjoy it and have even expressed interest in trying it out to see how the controls work? In other words, are the controls impressive enough to justify that $50, or a rental perhaps?

[KWarp]

I you know how to play football, you'll probably like Madden Wii.

I'm no fan of the series, but I can at least play the Wii release.

[KWarp]

NEW VIRTUAL CONSOLE TITLES ARE UP GOGOGO!!! :D :D

[I-n-j-i-n]

Actually, no. Madden, much like the Dragonball Z Tenkaichi 2 game I own, have their own specific ways of control that does take some getting used to. It's DEFINITELY not a "pick up and play" kind of mechanic. You do have to learn some quirks and the button utilization. It's definitely more difficult of a learning curve than the typical controllers or even a keyboard/mouse combination.

But it can be intuitive once you get used to it.

Which is sorta funny considering that they're trying to cater to the non-hardcore and casual gamers with this. I would think these kinds of complexities in controls would be more suitable for the true hardcore gamers.

[EvilZereno]

*sigh* For christmas I got Happy feet and Splinter Cell for wii... :? I hate family members who fail at buying decent games... I meen WTF...HAPPY FEET!? Yea...I'm gonna be makin' a specific trip to EBgames just to trade in this crap. (Splinter Cell was horrid)

[Linkjing Donuts]

FINALLY Super Mario Bros. comes in.

[Mr.Roboto]

i meak post from mahogany wii!!1!but seriously this is cool .net Jesus Wii`s spell checker owned me .

[Dark Chocobo]

TOEJAM AND EARL FINALLY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>_> <_< *throws a tomato in the general direction of a random person*

Super Castlevania IV's fun also. Go Nintendo for the awesome Christmas presents.

[Bigfoot]

TOEJAM AND EARL FINALLY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>_> <_< *throws a tomato in the general direction of a random person*

Super Castlevania IV's fun also. Go Nintendo for the awesome Christmas presents.

It'd be more awesome if we were allowed 1 free download.

[Bahamut]

So, maybe we should put cool stuff about the Wii in the first post (i.e. that Wii tabs thing)? What do you think people?

[JoeFu]

Yes, use your mod powers Bahamut!!

[Fire in the Hole]

Wow why have I never played Super Castlevania IV before? It is like I have been losing life until this day.

[Bahamut]

Yeah, I missed out on all of the pre-SotN Castlevanias too, I need to play them all sometime.

[supremespleen]

Inquiry: how do I change which Wiimote is player one?

[Inimitable]

Inquiry: how do I change which Wiimote is player one?
One way I know of (without resetting) is to hit Home and go to Remote Options, then reconnect the controllers. It'll ask you to press buttons on each controller one at a time.

I don't know if there's an easier way.

[Fire in the Hole]

I think that's the only way. Also, when you turn the console on, the one you turn it on with/the first one you activate will always be player one.

[Brentley_11]

This is mentioned in the first post, but I thought I would mention it again, because I am looking for feedback on how to improve it.

I made something for the browser that lets you use tabs while browsing.

You can view it here: http://brentalan.com/wiitabs/

One thing that I already plan on improving is removing the requirement for the "http://".

[KakTheInfected]

That's pretty cool, thanks.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Wow why have I never played Super Castlevania IV before? It is like I have been losing life until this day.

Best played on an SNES if you ask me. I swear my copy is almost 100% mint condition. I keep the games in good order.

[Fire in the Hole]

Wow why have I never played Super Castlevania IV before? It is like I have been losing life until this day.

Best played on an SNES if you ask me. I swear my copy is almost 100% mint condition. I keep the games in good order.

Unfortunately (and blasphemously) I no longer have my SNES and I have neither desire nor means to get an SNES + all these good games I should have (although I do still have quite a few SNES games). I also cannot stand the feeling of emulation. This is why the VC is good for me.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Yeah, but isn't the VC basically emulation? :?:

BTW, I'm waiting for the reviews for the new VC titles. I probably won't ever buy any VC title other than SMRPG, but it's interesting to hear how the games have aged on a new console. I still wish they put out high definition, pixel-laden versions sometime though. The higher definition actually lends itself to the retro feel.

[Fire in the Hole]

Yeah, but isn't the VC basically emulation? :?:

BTW, I'm waiting for the reviews for the new VC titles. I probably won't ever buy any VC title other than SMRPG, but it's interesting to hear how the games have aged on a new console. I still wish they put out high definition, pixel-laden versions sometime though. The higher definition actually lends itself to the retro feel.

1. I am playing with a real console controller, not a crappy PC counterfeit or keyboard.
2. I am playing on a TV, not a PC monitor, and I have neither desire nor means to feed the PC through the TV for emulation.
3. I am paying for it and it feels powerful.

[I-n-j-i-n]

1. I am playing with a real console controller, not a crappy PC counterfeit or keyboard.
2. I am playing on a TV, not a PC monitor, and I have neither desire nor means to feed the PC through the TV for emulation.
3. I am paying for it and it feels powerful.

Personally, I'm all for emulation, but I think you got some things wrong about emulation in general.

Emulation is basically any software that literally emulates and copies the conditions of an other console, PC or chipset/hardware. Secondly, you can plug in just about any controllers to the PC if you have the right adaptor. Thirdly, Nintendo, just like it is the trend nowadays with console games and the whole idea of classics compilations and what is really just are emulated games, are selling them instead of having them be distributed freely.

And some of the TV-screen emulation of emulators on PCs can change the resolution and add pixelation as it was intended. The big problem (for gaming purists) with modern console emulation that goes for sale is that they often add anti-aliasing or simply don't do a good job of emulating them. And they look less pixelated than they are supposed to be. And yes, pixelation could be seen as a sign of authentic, loyal emulation.

PS- If you feel any more content in buying the games instead of for free, that's your preference. I can see how that is. I feel more connected towards the games I buy too. But with emulation, this whole zealous attitude towards loyal emulation of the games and the underground attitude of free games for everyone is a draw as well.

[Fire in the Hole]

I know what emulation is. Ever heard of metonymy? Some people use it out of ignorance, others use it on purpose. I did the latter because I really don't like computer emulation. If I'm going to go to the trouble of metonymically distinguishing between subsets of emulation, please go to the trouble of recognizing it, whether you think I did it on purpose or not.

I'm aware there are adapters for console controllers. But I'm going back to the means and desire bit here--it just doesn't compel me to believe it's worth the effort (yes, it is my preference). Besides, given how few games I expect to purchase on the VC from each console, it would probably be more expensive for me to acquire the proper adapters for several console controllers than to just buy the bloody games.

Also, I hope I didn't give you any indication that I was a "gaming purist." I couldn't care less about the sharp, cutting-edge graphics of current games, so I see no reason to care about the "authentic" look of older games. If it's playable, I play it--appearances have a very minimal role in determining that.

I feel the same way about PC emulation that I do about music-sharing. If it's something I never have or rarely can experience as its producer intended me to, I have few qualms about taking part, because it will either allow me to realize I don't want to experience it any further or give me reason to support its producer in the future. Tales of Phantasia, for example, and Super Metroid the first time I heard of it, were things I could justify with free PC emulation. But I bought the GBA version of ToP, and I'll probably get Super Metroid on the VC, just as I eventually bought Franz Ferdinand's second album, having downloaded the first in its entirety. And, well, that's just how I consider my role in the entertainment industry. Notice how I keep referring to myself, not to anyone else. I don't care how you do things, or anyone else for that matter.

[I-n-j-i-n]

That's why I said I understand how you feel by being more content with something you can buy. At least it's "official" in that sense.

I'm just creating talk for putting my own views about it. And I simply think it's suspect to sell the same thing again and again and again. That's one of the biggest pitfalls of videogaming as I see it, though I'm not saying that it's a wrong thing for gamers to take advantage of it.

And the reason why I bring up the purist point of view is because I am one.

[CE]

Truth is, I'd never be able to get the controllers for my PC and it just feels awful playing games on the PC, it's just not the same. That is why I love my Gunstar Heroes and Donkey Kong Country on my Wii.

Also, you guys are telling me you have Castlevania IV?

[SilverStar]

On the topic of emulation...

Rather than using a cheap ripoff of a cheap PC game controller, just go get an X360 pad. Plugs right in, the drivers are available on winupdate(or through the XBCD 3rd party drivers, so you can get rumble..), and it's a REAL system gamepad. :)

[Fire in the Hole]

On the topic of emulation...

Rather than using a cheap ripoff of a cheap PC game controller, just go get an X360 pad. Plugs right in, the drivers are available on winupdate(or through the XBCD 3rd party drivers, so you can get rumble..), and it's a REAL system gamepad. :)

Because, you know, that's not more expensive than getting an adapter for the real classic controllers. :roll:

Injin: Right, okay. I think I'm just resigned to the fact that, no matter how pretty the graphics get or how innovative the control design, good video games will always be basically the same, sharing common elements. It's like literature. You can change up the language, the style, the setting, the genre, but in the end anything worth reading will always approach the same topics and themes and attempt to convey the universal Truth. The Wii is like the step from Romanticism to realism. It's a brilliant, exhiliratingly fun step, but it doesn't change the core of gaming.

Also, if they can sell the same game over and over again, it must be worth keeping alive (and bringing to those who never had it before--it's not like I'd buy Super Castlevania IV again on the next Nintendo console). I think it's far less a crime to do this, claiming nothing more than surviving a classic, than it would be to dress a less-than-stellar game in a fancy new package and sell that, as many developers will do these days.

CE: Yes. And it's Good.

[Power Surge]

I'm looking for an article (I think it was on Joystiq) that talks about this software that converts video files into the format that the Wii supports, but so far I haven't found it yet. Help plz.

EDIT: nvm, I found it. (http://www.redkawa.com/videoconverters/wiivideo9/)

[supremespleen]

So my Wii will only have 'net connection while my CPU is on, and I don't leave my computer on over night.

What happens if people send me Miis and stuff, do they just float around in cyberspace until I get back online?

[atmuh]

So my Wii will only have 'net connection while my CPU is on, and I don't leave my computer on over night.

What happens if people send me Miis and stuff, do they just float around in cyberspace until I get back online?
yes

[supremespleen]

So my Wii will only have 'net connection while my CPU is on, and I don't leave my computer on over night.

What happens if people send me Miis and stuff, do they just float around in cyberspace until I get back online?
yescool

oh i added you btw

send some keen miis

[Bahamut]

So today a friend told me that you can use the d-pad on the remote to pitch to the left and/or right, which added a ton of fun to Wii baseball.

[WesPip]

So today a friend told me that you can use the d-pad on the remote to pitch to the left and/or right, which added a ton of fun to Wii baseball.
Up and down too, I think.
If not, it at least makes me THINK it's going higher or lower.
And that's just as good.

[Inimitable]

Up and down too
Yeah, it does. Don't they tell you that in the tutorial? :?

[WesPip]

Up and down too
Yeah, it does. Don't they tell you that in the tutorial? :?
Well, that's more than likely where I learned it from.
But I may have imagined it, 'cause when I played it, it was about 3 in the afternoon after camping out the previous night, and the night before that, I'd only managed three hours of sleep.
So...yeah. It could happen.
At the time, I couldn't even find the place to plug in the cube controllers.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Right, okay. I think I'm just resigned to the fact that, no matter how pretty the graphics get or how innovative the control design, good video games will always be basically the same, sharing common elements. It's like literature. You can change up the language, the style, the setting, the genre, but in the end anything worth reading will always approach the same topics and themes and attempt to convey the universal Truth. The Wii is like the step from Romanticism to realism. It's a brilliant, exhiliratingly fun step, but it doesn't change the core of gaming.

I agree. Nintendo Wii in itself, as revolutionary a system with the crazy controller is, it's merely a layer on top of the gaming thread. It's about the core games and all that.

Also, if they can sell the same game over and over again, it must be worth keeping alive (and bringing to those who never had it before--it's not like I'd buy Super Castlevania IV again on the next Nintendo console). I think it's far less a crime to do this, claiming nothing more than surviving a classic, than it would be to dress a less-than-stellar game in a fancy new package and sell that, as many developers will do these days.

Yeah, I wouldn't go as far as to say that the actual act in selling them is bad or that people shouldn't have access in such a way. There's some games in the past that I passed up because of their extremely steep pricing, and yet I can simply snatch them up for free by the minute now. That's going off the point a bit, but what I'm getting at with the whole "suspect" nature of reselling the same old game is that the gaming industry is still dominated by the same game franchises even 20 years ago. There's nothing wrong with that fact. There's nothing wrong with squeezing the money out of the gamers. It's like double exploitation. Gamers demand it constantly, and the publishers rake in the money.

It's just artistically, it's just a sad cycle of lesser known titles just getting trampled upon, not selling as well as they should and etcetera. I'm a Sega fan, and I'm just resigned to the fact that their games, no matter how good they were, just did not sell. Same could be said of a lot of great PC game subgenres that simply became extinct due to low sales. Sure, capitalism and the whole supply & demand thing is great. I'm actually all for it since I'm in the business myself.

It's sorta like how PC games naturally become shovelwares. Console games, to me, should go down a similar path. Selling games for something ludicrously cheap like a dollar or five bucks? Fine. TEN dollars, nowadays? I'm just feeling the capitalistic, game sequel-pushing, franchise touting more than anything. Again, I'm not saying this should become the fact or that everyone should feel the same way as I do. It's just my own perspective on it.

[KWarp]

Games seem to be re-released in a similar manner to how books get republished. It's nothing new.

[Bahamut]

I think gaming has a long ways to go still, in terms of how developers approach a game. Just take Twilight Princess for example - it is just chock full of stuff, but even it seems to have more to go. Compare that to most of the games you see around. Even awesome games like Gears of War seem to be lacking in comparison. In fact, people tend to compare Twilight Princess only to the other Zelda games. Shouldn't we be holding all games to the same standard, and not just certain franchises?

[I-n-j-i-n]

Games seem to be re-released in a similar manner to how books get republished. It's nothing new.

True. But books can't be serialized in the same way games can. If the author can't bring him/herself to make more sequels, it just can't happen. While the total opposite is true with games. Even Nintendo let Capcom develop some Zelda games before. They can even rent out the license of their franchises to make games for them and etcetera. And typically, look at most of the oldie titles being re-released, and they predictably have their modern sequels still out. I just see it as a part PR and part resale.

And unlike books, with each new releases and top 10 lists filled with fresh new material and sometimes even outright revelatory topics, you see the top 10 lists of games and you're almost certainly guaranteed to see most, if not all of them are sequels.

Again, I'm not saying sequels and franchises are bad. Because I play them and enjoy them. But creatively, the lesser known titles and those that doesn't have the name brand have a huge uphill climbing to do. Unless they can muster the hype train like Halo and Gears of War did. (again, not to say the hype in itself is bad. I'm a casual fan of Halo and I'm sure I'll enjoy GoW).

With things like reselling the same game "as is", I just think it's a part of the whole "sell the same game" aspect of videogaming.

[KWarp]

Agreed. Writing can't build on previously-produced components in the same way that software can. Speaking from a business perspective, a sequel to a successful game franchise makes perfect financial sense. Then again, what medium doesn't? The game industry in particular doesn't seem to encourage reinventing gameplay mechanics with original intellectual property, so sequelitis seems more apparent.

The movie industry has a similar problem using the same directing talent (Less so with actors. They tend to rotate in a 5 year cycle much like consoles.:wink:). How long has George Lucas been on top?

Original IP has always had a hard uphill climb to go. In my opinion, the most apparent example is in the music industry. I've never seen Top 10 music that didn't have a major record label attached to it. In that sense, PR made Gears of War and Halo big (in addition to being quality games of course, otherwise you end up with the 360 launch lineup). I personally believe a successful new franchise is one that offers something different from it's competition but retains marketing appeal. Strong word of mouth can also work as Trauma Center proved.

Anyway, someone's thoughts on the Virtual Console service:
Well, there seems to be a lot of talk and discussion on the virtual console as of late. Much of it probably due to the fact that the weekly updates will stop at the end of the month, and we are all crazing alot more VC games. (notably some big name titles)

I honestly think this past month was nothing more then a trial run on the Virtual console. I have no doubt in my mind that Nintendo will release VC games in much larger mass per month next year. However, I think the main issue is that the virtual console itself was and is still experimental. Obviously there are a few minor problems with it. Emulation can have bugs, there can be download issues, and the roms automiatically save state. So, there is plenty of room for error. So far, Nintendo has tested classic old school games, some moderate ones, and some heavy ones containing some Mode 7 SS and such. Same with Genesis and turbographix. I think they are more or less making sure everything is working properly to the best extent possible before releasing a whole bunch of big hits. They are being a little overly careful as always (that is Nintendo's style).

Keep in mind, we all saw that Nintendo submitted big hits like Super Metroid, Kirby Super Star DX, SMB:RPG, etc. to ESRB at the same time they submitted the currect VC releases. Potentially, Nintendo could have these games prepped for an early 2007 launch, and possibly even plan to release them soon. This would make sense when considering the current virtual console releases. Each game released so far (seemingly pretty random), probably has some kind of programming/graphic use that is different and makes it unique. It is like a stress test on the emulators to make sure they run all these different styles and types correctly before throwing a bunch of games out there that use several of these all at once.

I am trying to keep an open mind when it comes to the VC. I haven't been extensively pleased with the shallow number of releases, nor the choice of released games. I've downloaded a few so far, but I'm really holding out for some big releases and announcements. I have confidence that Nintendo will deliver, but I think it is important to understand the potential reason in which Nintendo has been taking the steps they have so far.

I'm probably more anxious to see more third-party titles released on the VC then first-party, despite the quality of first-party games, because I'd really like to see some gems from other companies get a VC release. Notably Chrono Trigger, Super Buster Bros., Smart Ball, U.N. Squadron, Sunset Riders, etc.

What do you think? Agree? Disagree? Carrots? Is my post too long for you lazies to read it?

~DJ Kirbs

[Bahamut]

Well, the music industry has been experiencing a shakeup in the past decade or so - for example, in Europe, some metal bands have been making the top few or so in sales, such as Nightwish reaching #1 with their 'Once' album. Hopefully the videogame industry experiences a shakeup of their own as well.

[Zeklan]

I, for one, support the VC Completely.
I searched for many a year for two games at a reasonable price.
All I wanted was TJ&E & Gunstar.
I never saw them anywhere in gameshops and places like EBAY were way over priced [like $35].
So if nintendo wants to give them to me for $8, I`ll take that deal in a heartbeat.


Also, I would love to see Sunset Riders on the VC, especially if it was the 4 player version.

[Fire in the Hole]

You know, these jackass spammers are really starting to bug me.

Anyway, anyone else find it sad that it's been left in the laps of the end user to integrate tabbed browsing through possibly insecure and scrupulous websites, because Opera was, apparently, too damn lazy to put it in themselves? Seriously, it's becoming almost a cottage industry, trying to make the best, easiest to use tabbed portal.

I'm pretty sure it's been speculated all over that given this is the trial version of the browser, the final version will include tabbed browsing. Possibly even support for pop-ups.

[Neo Samus]

Have any of you have noticed, R-Type for the TG-16 is 800 Wii points. Why is this? Can anyone explain this to me?

I actually called Nintendo and asked the question and they didn't even know!! Didn't Reggie (or Nintendo) say that all of "X" system would be "X" amount of Wii points? Does anyone have an insight to this?

If I had to guess, I thought it might be either a) a licensing issue or b) a rarity issue. Thing is, I have no proof to support my claims. Anyone got a clue?

[Zoola]

Just got my Wii.... It's awesome, but you already know that.

I haven't heard anyone talk about Trauma Center yet, do you like it on the Wii? I did not get to play it on the DS, but it's freaking great on the Wii.

[sephfire]

Never got my hands on the DS version, but Trauma Center Wii rocks. It's one of my favorite three so far along with Twilight Princess and Wii Sports.

And although Elebits may not be the greatest game ever, I adore the music. Must find soundtrack...

[atmuh]

Have any of you have noticed, R-Type for the TG-16 is 800 Wii points. Why is this? Can anyone explain this to me?

I actually called Nintendo and asked the question and they didn't even know!! Didn't Reggie (or Nintendo) say that all of "X" system would be "X" amount of Wii points? Does anyone have an insight to this?

If I had to guess, I thought it might be either a) a licensing issue or b) a rarity issue. Thing is, I have no proof to support my claims. Anyone got a clue?
They said STARTING at X amount of points.

http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/17-11-2006-4096.html

[parasoul]

I think gaming has a long ways to go still, in terms of how developers approach a game. Just take Twilight Princess for example - it is just chock full of stuff, but even it seems to have more to go. Compare that to most of the games you see around. Even awesome games like Gears of War seem to be lacking in comparison. In fact, people tend to compare Twilight Princess only to the other Zelda games. Shouldn't we be holding all games to the same standard, and not just certain franchises?

In many gamers' eyes, Zelda OoT is still the standard.

[Bahamut]

I think gaming has a long ways to go still, in terms of how developers approach a game. Just take Twilight Princess for example - it is just chock full of stuff, but even it seems to have more to go. Compare that to most of the games you see around. Even awesome games like Gears of War seem to be lacking in comparison. In fact, people tend to compare Twilight Princess only to the other Zelda games. Shouldn't we be holding all games to the same standard, and not just certain franchises?

In many gamers' eyes, Zelda OoT is still the standard.

I sure hope not, because OoT was still lacking for even its day.

[Dhsu]

NICE TROLL. :nicework:

[Steben]

I think gaming has a long ways to go still, in terms of how developers approach a game. Just take Twilight Princess for example - it is just chock full of stuff, but even it seems to have more to go. Compare that to most of the games you see around. Even awesome games like Gears of War seem to be lacking in comparison. In fact, people tend to compare Twilight Princess only to the other Zelda games. Shouldn't we be holding all games to the same standard, and not just certain franchises?

In many gamers' eyes, Zelda OoT is still the standard.

I sure hope not, because OoT was still lacking for even its day.

Which begs the question, is there any game which is not lacking in some respect? The only real way to make sure you've covered all your bases in creating a game is to make it short and linear - and then you have a problem with people complaining about its length.

Besides, Majora's Mask was a much better game than Ocarina - we should compare everything to that. ;)

[Ruth Loose]

I think gaming has a long ways to go still, in terms of how developers approach a game. Just take Twilight Princess for example - it is just chock full of stuff, but even it seems to have more to go. Compare that to most of the games you see around. Even awesome games like Gears of War seem to be lacking in comparison. In fact, people tend to compare Twilight Princess only to the other Zelda games. Shouldn't we be holding all games to the same standard, and not just certain franchises?

In many gamers' eyes, Zelda Link's Awakening is still the standard.

On a lighter note: Does anyone know if the Virtual Console controller will be playable on certain Wii titles? I would hate to spend $20 a piece on these beauties only to not be able to use them on Smash Bros. Brawl.

EDIT: The controllers do work on certain games such as SSB:B and DBZ:Tenkaichi 2

[Cyanide cr MK]

Which begs the question, is there any game which is not lacking in some respect?

Yes there is. Street Fighter 3:Third Strike :!:

[Geoffrey Taucer]

I think gaming has a long ways to go still, in terms of how developers approach a game. Just take Twilight Princess for example - it is just chock full of stuff, but even it seems to have more to go. Compare that to most of the games you see around. Even awesome games like Gears of War seem to be lacking in comparison. In fact, people tend to compare Twilight Princess only to the other Zelda games. Shouldn't we be holding all games to the same standard, and not just certain franchises?

In many gamers' eyes, Zelda OoT is still the standard.

I sure hope not, because OoT was still lacking for even its day.

Your mom was lacking.

Oot, however, was not.

[DJ SymBiotiX]

Ok question. Dunno if anybody has tried this yet or not but, can you download a game from the VC, put it on an SD card and delete it from Wii memory, and still play it?

like could you keep it on your sd card untill you wanted to play it, and then just transfer it to your wii memory. Would it still work? I just dont wanna risk deleting it from my wii memory, only to have it not work later on.

anybody know?

[Evilhead]

Which begs the question, is there any game which is not lacking in some respect?

Yes there is. Street Fighter 3:Third Strike :!:

Good answer.


Also, why do people suddenly get into console emulation when you have to pay for it? If you're telling me playing a NES/Genesis/whatever ROM on your Wii is any different than playing it on your Dreamcast/PS1/PS2/Xbox/etc you are full of it.

[Bahamut]

Less systems around? Depends on how much you value your space I guess. I never was into console emulation myself.

[supremespleen]

I can't decide which VC I wanna buy. Altered Beast, Gunstar Heroes, Ecco, Ristar, or R-Type.

I'm leaning towards Ristar and R-Type.

[atmuh]

I can't decide which VC I wanna buy. Altered Beast, Gunstar Heroes, Ecco, Ristar, or R-Type.

I'm leaning towards Ristar and R-Type.
I enjoyed Gunstar Heroes. Altered Beast is crap. Not much to say on the rest though.

[Ruth Loose]

Ok question. Dunno if anybody has tried this yet or not but, can you download a game from the VC, put it on an SD card and delete it from Wii memory, and still play it?

like could you keep it on your sd card untill you wanted to play it, and then just transfer it to your wii memory. Would it still work? I just dont wanna risk deleting it from my wii memory, only to have it not work later on.

anybody know?

I cannot say for certain that your method works 100% but another forum-goer has attempted this and it worked. Supposedly, you can re-download games you delete if you ever do.


I can't decide which VC I wanna buy. Altered Beast, Gunstar Heroes, Ecco, Ristar, or R-Type.

I'm leaning towards Ristar and R-Type.

I enjoyed Gunstar Heroes. Altered Beast is crap. Not much to say on the rest though.

I recommend Gunstar Heroes as it has amazing single and multi-player action. After that get Super Castlevania IV or Toe Jam & Earl.

[atmuh]

Ok question. Dunno if anybody has tried this yet or not but, can you download a game from the VC, put it on an SD card and delete it from Wii memory, and still play it?

like could you keep it on your sd card untill you wanted to play it, and then just transfer it to your wii memory. Would it still work? I just dont wanna risk deleting it from my wii memory, only to have it not work later on.

anybody know?

I cannot say for certain that your method works 100% but another forum-goer has attempted this and it worked. Supposedly, you can re-download games you delete if you ever do.
yep that's all true

[KWarp]

Which begs the question, is there any game which is not lacking in some respect?

Yes there is. Street Fighter 3:Third Strike :!:

Good answer.


Also, why do people suddenly get into console emulation when you have to pay for it? If you're telling me playing a NES/Genesis/whatever ROM on your Wii is any different than playing it on your Dreamcast/PS1/PS2/Xbox/etc you are full of it.
This might be new to you, but people like to pay for a legitimate service. :wink:

Here are some conveniences of the Virtual Console Service:
-Play games on a Television
-Play games with a console controller
-Multi-player
-Wireless controllers
-Simple interface and options
-Everything bothersome (ie console-crashing glitches, configuring controllers, etc) has been or will be taken care of by the service-providers
-No hassle searching through-spam infested sites online
-Not voiding console warranty
-Potential online networking like the 360

Certainly other emulation sources share some of these features. However, none of them offer them in the same package Wii does. Wii's difference is in simplicity and in turn appeals to a wider audience.

[Bigfoot]

Whenever I played a ROM anyway I always felt obligated to save state before a hard part or use the turbo button to move faster(like on RPGs).

[KWarp]

Whenever I played a ROM anyway I always felt obligated to save state before a hard part or use the turbo button to move faster(like on RPGs).
I miss the turbo button. Guess no Secret of Mana for me. (Seriously I've had friends that played through SNES RPGs entirely on turbo. They fly through them soooooo fast.)

[I-n-j-i-n]

Here are some conveniences of the Virtual Console Service:
-Play games on a Television
-Play games with a console controller
-Multi-player
-Wireless controllers
-Simple interface and options
-Everything bothersome (ie console-crashing glitches, configuring controllers, etc) has been or will be taken care of by the service-providers
-No hassle searching through-spam infested sites online
-Not voiding console warranty
-Potential online networking like the 360

Certainly other emulation sources share some of these features. However, none of them offer them in the same package Wii does. Wii's difference is in simplicity and in turn appeals to a wider audience.

Jeez, I hate playing party pooper to these kinds of posts all the time.

But you can technically do all of those above at a much cheaper price if you consider that you are only spending money on a few adaptors and hardware and not spending hundreds more on the actually sold games themselves.

Also, the thing with PC emulators is that they are now so easy to use and have a ton of emulation varieties and features.

One of the current problems with the VC games is that their save state aspect isn't ironed out yet, the multiplayer is still a dream, and really, the idea of improving an old game and selling it as a "classic" is just a bit strange.

If you want to speak technicalities, you can do just as well if not a LOT better with emulators. Especially with simple emulation like NES, SNES, Turbo Grafix, Genesis and etcetera. Even Playstation emulation and N64 emulation are pretty common place now as well. Go ahead a few generations and we'll probably start seeing Gamecube, Xbox and PS2 emulation.

The technicalities isn't the point. Like many people costantly state, it's just the state of mind of paying for "legitimate" service in their view. Hell, many people (like me), think the legitimate choice is simply emulation. I simply dislike paying for a corporation that touts the different versions of an essentially the same game or even reselling the games in the pretense of selling classics. Sometimes it can be great. Sometimes not. Like I said before, I think a $10 pricetag is a bit high when some compilations that run thirty games can sell for as low as $30. There just isn't a very stable selling price for selling emulated games.

And if people like buying stuff for the VC or XLA and think they're doing the right thing by supporting the big corporations, then more power to them. More power also to the emulators who go for the underground movement of games and a free distribution of something every hardcore gamers have more or less played and can be open to modding and free usage to their liking.

[weggy]

Surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but point your wii to www.warppipe.com and behold. Tabbed browsing, and del.icio favorite integration.

sweet.

[KWarp]

Here are some conveniences of the Virtual Console Service:
-Play games on a Television
-Play games with a console controller
-Multi-player
-Wireless controllers
-Simple interface and options
-Everything bothersome (ie console-crashing glitches, configuring controllers, etc) has been or will be taken care of by the service-providers
-No hassle searching through-spam infested sites online
-Not voiding console warranty
-Potential online networking like the 360

Certainly other emulation sources share some of these features. However, none of them offer them in the same package Wii does. Wii's difference is in simplicity and in turn appeals to a wider audience.

<Party Pooper>

I think you completely missed the point. It doesn't matter if something is technically possible when it comes to mass appeal. 3DO made 3D games technically possible long before Playstation or Nintendo 64, but at a $700 price tag it had extremely limited appeal. Napster was a free way to obtain music online, but was not simple or convenient, and it rarely yielded high-quality sound files. iTunes offered simplicity, convenience, and quality for a reasonable price, and has since taken over.

Wii's Virtual console service does exactly what iTunes does. It offers an easy, simple way to obtain games, a convenient way to play them, and an authentic console experience. Those features appeal to an audience exactly opposite the from tech-savy computer gamer.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Well, yeah. I agree on the techno savvy aspect.

Though the one thing that shut Napster down was the act of intentional sabotage (at first, people thought it was pranksters. Then things got scary where more than half the files were obviously fixed by the music industry).

With ROMs, yes, you do need to dig a bit for them as well. Though torrents have made things a lot easier that way. And thanks to the community aspect of torrents, all the illegal music downloads moved there too. I suspect game ROMs did too, since that's usually where they are nowadays.

[Zombie]

So I rented Red Steel today... it's kind of fun IMO but nowhere near perfect, as most reviews will tell you. I'll probably buy it when it gets marked down a little and put on greatest hits/players choice/whatever.8)

The music in Red Steel is good too.

[Evilhead]

Here are some conveniences of the Virtual Console Service:
-Play games on a Television

Possible with PS1, PS2, Dreamcast, Xbox, others, even your PC!

-Play games with a console controller

Possible with the previously mentioned consoles, as well as the PC (with a $6 adapater).

-Multi-player

Also possible with any of the consoles. PCs allow online multiplayer, and the PSP offers wireless multiplayer.

-Wireless controllers

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the classic controller wired? Either way, this really doesn't affect gameplay.

-Simple interface and options

Most emulators for other consoles are very simple as well. Just pop in the CD or DVD, then pick your ROM/game from a list. Save states are usually accessed in the pause/menu screen.

-Everything bothersome (ie console-crashing glitches, configuring controllers, etc) has been or will be taken care of by the service-providers

Most emulation for the 16 bit systems and below are 100% accurate and run at 100% speed on the the consoles I mentioned, aside from the PS1 which can't handle too much.

-No hassle searching through-spam infested sites online

Or you can just download a torrent of a disc image of a full set of ROMs, burn it, pop it into your systems, and you're ready to go.

-Not voiding console warranty

Dreamcast, PSP, and PS1 can emulate with absolutely no mods. Other than that, my warranty is long gone for all of my consoles anyway.


-Potential online networking like the 360

Yes, online play is cool. Hopefully we'll see more of it.

Certainly other emulation sources share some of these features. However, none of them offer them in the same package Wii does. Wii's difference is in simplicity and in turn appeals to a wider audience.

Yes, basically for lazy/dumb people who don't know what emulation is and don't know how to burn a disc image. But emulating on consoles is extremely easy, and you can have entire romsets for free, rather than paying $5 or $10 a ROM.

The ONLY benefit I can see for emulating on the Wii is feeling like you're not stealing anything. But you pretty much are. It would be like if I payed a ROM site $3 to download a ROM. How much of that money goes to the original developers? How much does Nintendo keep? How much gets paid to the actual people who programmed and created the game? Nintendo is just a middleman, selling other people's games for cash. It's simple and streamlined, but I just don't think it's worth paying for, especially since there is only a pathetic amount of games offered. From Nintendo's point of view, a CD rom with 300 NES ROMs burned on it should be sold for $1,500. Ridiculous.

[Dhsu]

Not as ridiculous as buying all 300 carts. :P

[I-n-j-i-n]

I wish developers more often give out free shovelware and classic titles like they do with the PCs. Though nowadays, they're trying to cash in on the whole classic compilation idea for PC games as well. But in the past, games like Command & Conquer used to be freely distributable without any legal ramifications. Duke Nukem and even Duke Nukem 3D were on the verge of being a near public domain property since they were considered to be classics.

I see no reason why some ancient games could be the same. Hell, they can even ramp up the money through ad revenue if they want, by attaching ads onto the download screens. It has worked to varying degrees before.

[SilverStar]

Evilhead:

The Classic Controller is wired, only in that it plugs into the wiimote. it even has a slot on the back that you slide the remote into to hold it, so it's all fairly clean.

[Bigfoot]

You can just use a wavebird too, right?

[Linkjing Donuts]

Evilhead:

The Classic Controller is wired, only in that it plugs into the wiimote. it even has a slot on the back that you slide the remote into to hold it, so it's all fairly clean.
Wait, what? What do the holes on the back of the classic shell connect to?

[KWarp]

^I don't think anyone's figured that out yet. @_@

Certainly other emulation sources share some of these features. However, none of them offer them in the same package Wii does. Wii's difference is in simplicity and in turn appeals to a wider audience.

Yes, basically for lazy/dumb people who don't know what emulation is and don't know how to burn a disc image. But emulating on consoles is extremely easy, and you can have entire romsets for free, rather than paying $5 or $10 a ROM.

The ONLY benefit I can see for emulating on the Wii is feeling like you're not stealing anything. But you pretty much are. It would be like if I payed a ROM site $3 to download a ROM. How much of that money goes to the original developers? How much does Nintendo keep? How much gets paid to the actual people who programmed and created the game? Nintendo is just a middleman, selling other people's games for cash. It's simple and streamlined, but I just don't think it's worth paying for, especially since there is only a pathetic amount of games offered. From Nintendo's point of view, a CD rom with 300 NES ROMs burned on it should be sold for $1,500. Ridiculous.
I don't think Nintendo ever set out to provide better emulation or quality pricing emulation or any of that. It seems the only excellence they strove for was in accessibility. In you words, Nintendo appeals to "lazy/dumb people". Don't underestimate their strength in numbers. :wink:

It's funny. I've downloaded around 6 virtual console games already. A game like R-Type for example, I could probably easily set up on my computer within 5 minutes if I know where to look. On the other hand I'm not interested in setting up and managing a TG16 emulator and hunting a ROM site with the game down, and then have to deal with learning the emulator interface and button configuration just to play one game I might like. There it is a click away on the shop channel, ready to run on my Wii without any hassle. Of course I take it. The $8 price is pretty steep and I hate it, but downloading a VC game doesn't feel like I'm spending money. It's more like I'm depositing a fat chunk of money and slowly draining it with each VC game download. Nintendo's made it too easy to buy games, and my money's just floating away.

[Hellcom]

This message comes to you via the Wii. :D

Edit:

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Seizures 8O

[Amayirot Akago]

Well, I finally picked up an el cheapo GC accessory pack this morning (controller, memory card and carrying case for a bunch of discs), but I'm lacking in funds to obtain any games as of right now. Is there some way to download & burn GC ISO's and play them on my Wii?

[The Unsung Plumber]

And although Elebits may not be the greatest game ever, I adore the music. Must find soundtrack...

Is it just me, or do I smell ReMix in the air? :wink:

[Smoke]

Evilhead:

The Classic Controller is wired, only in that it plugs into the wiimote. it even has a slot on the back that you slide the remote into to hold it, so it's all fairly clean.

Nope, the Wii remote and the Classic Controller don't hook up like that. There's connections on the back of the CC and a button to release them, but no way to attach a Wii remote to it.

I wish developers more often give out free shovelware and classic titles like they do with the PCs. Though nowadays, they're trying to cash in on the whole classic compilation idea for PC games as well. But in the past, games like Command & Conquer used to be freely distributable without any legal ramifications. Duke Nukem and even Duke Nukem 3D were on the verge of being a near public domain property since they were considered to be classics.

The retail release of Duke3D came with a bunch of demos for older games and Duke Nukem 1 and 2 in their full versions. I still have the disk around somewhere.

As for the free distribution thing: C&C offered this mainly for multiplayer purposes, since the games could run using either disk(Each containing all missions and graphics, and the cutscenes for one side) There was also no real copy protection other than CD burners costing a small fortune. Similar multiplayer methods were used by Warcraft 1 and 2, if I recall correctly Warcraft 2 allowed 8-player multiplayer with only 3 disks. Good way to get more people to buy the game.

I wouldn't mind seeing more bundles where a previous part of a game series is included with the newest, similar to the whole OoT Master Quest thing.

[JoeFu]

And although Elebits may not be the greatest game ever, I adore the music. Must find soundtrack...

Is it just me, or do I smell ReMix in the air? :wink:

Elebits is awesome and I found the soundtrack a while back. I'm almost done with the game. After I beat it I want to unlock eternal mode for my favorite levels. I think the ones in the town are awesome. A few later on are really fun too.

[SilverStar]

Well, I finally picked up an el cheapo GC accessory pack this morning (controller, memory card and carrying case for a bunch of discs), but I'm lacking in funds to obtain any games as of right now. Is there some way to download & burn GC ISO's and play them on my Wii?

I -think- you might be able to use the SD loader method. Because there's no mod chips for it yet, PSO is literally disabled so you can't stream it, and the freeloader doesn't work on backups. ;)

[Amayirot Akago]

Well, I finally picked up an el cheapo GC accessory pack this morning (controller, memory card and carrying case for a bunch of discs), but I'm lacking in funds to obtain any games as of right now. Is there some way to download & burn GC ISO's and play them on my Wii?

I -think- you might be able to use the SD loader method. Because there's no mod chips for it yet, PSO is literally disabled so you can't stream it, and the freeloader doesn't work on backups. ;)
SD loader? Explain thyself further.

[SilverStar]

Well, I finally picked up an el cheapo GC accessory pack this morning (controller, memory card and carrying case for a bunch of discs), but I'm lacking in funds to obtain any games as of right now. Is there some way to download & burn GC ISO's and play them on my Wii?

I -think- you might be able to use the SD loader method. Because there's no mod chips for it yet, PSO is literally disabled so you can't stream it, and the freeloader doesn't work on backups. ;)
SD loader? Explain thyself further.

It involves the use of the Action Replay Pro, an SD card, the GC memory card that uses SD cards, and a hand-made program.

And even then, you might be SOL, because in gamecubes you often had to tweak the laser to be able to read the GC discs.

That and you had to burn them just right, on mini-DVD, and in general it was a big ol' pain in the ass.

Go hit up the AfterDawn.com forums and look in the Nintendo Gamecube or Nintendo Wii sections and ask around there. They'd know better.

[Amayirot Akago]

Well if that's the case I'll just wait for next month's salary to come in.

On that note, anybody know any good Internet shops that still sell (used) GC games that accept transactions to a bank account? Preferably in the Netherlands.

[Dexie]

Got a question.

I'm trying to get IRC to work on the Internet Channel.

I've been using CGI-IRC (http://www.chriscole.info/cgiirc/), but there's no send message or enter key, and no button on the Wiimote that functions as such.

Anyone able to help here? Got a CGI-IRC client that has a send message button?

[Hellcom]

Got a question.

I'm trying to get IRC to work on the Internet Channel.

I've been using CGI-IRC (http://www.chriscole.info/cgiirc/), but there's no send message or enter key, and no button on the Wiimote that functions as such.

Anyone able to help here? Got a CGI-IRC client that has a send message button?

Well I don't have time to check right now, but why not try using a web-based java client? I believe java is a usable script on the wii.

[Dexie]

Got a question.

I'm trying to get IRC to work on the Internet Channel.

I've been using CGI-IRC (http://www.chriscole.info/cgiirc/), but there's no send message or enter key, and no button on the Wiimote that functions as such.

Anyone able to help here? Got a CGI-IRC client that has a send message button?

Well I don't have time to check right now, but why not try using a web-based java client? I believe java is a usable script on the wii.

Got a link handy?

[SilverStar]

So.. Depending on which one you want to believe..

VG Charts is saying Wii has broke 3 million.

NexGenWars is saying 2 million.

I say.. wait until Nintendo announces the end of year numbers. Or at least announces some sort of milestone.

[The Damned]

So.. Depending on which one you want to believe..

VG Charts is saying Wii has broke 3 million.

NexGenWars is saying 2 million.

I say.. wait until Nintendo announces the end of year numbers. Or at least announces some sort of milestone.
Even with 2 million, that's since November 19th. That's a million a month. That's pretty damn good for anyone.

Now, as long as they use "units sold" and not "units shipped"...

[JoeFu]

Just FYI, NextGenwars or whatever that place is called is wrong. It uses some algorithm or something to "calculate" sales.

Wii should be way over 2 million now. In Japan is has about 1 million, USA is at least 1.5.

[I-n-j-i-n]

They underplay the PS3 and 360 numbers too.

The way the 360 has been selling lately, it could be around 9 or 10 million instead of 8.

I guess the PS3 is more predictable because of the shortage though. But I hear the actual numbers are probably a bit higher there as well.

And they tend to play down the numbers for the fear of overprojecting them.

And I say this again, but I see no reason why sales really matter in the long run. It's just numbers and profits that I'll never see. Purely pointless. Of course, to certain *fanatics*, it may MATTER to them.

[Bahamut]

I say who cares about the sales. Play/buy what you like.

[The Damned]

I say who cares about the sales. Play/buy what you like.
Bu-bu-bu-bu-but... our opinions! Someone must listen to them, regardless of if they want to or not! That's what makes us the kings of the internet! :wink:

I agree with you on that. I do play what I like. But for the sake of argument...

Sales are important. To a certain point.

Look at some of the flops of years past. If they had sold better, there would have been more game developer support for it. They want to make games, because that's how they make their money. And the games have to be made for a system that they know people have, or will buy. This gives them a better chance to make money.

Imagine if either of the last gen consoles had failed out of the gate. Would there be a Blue Dragon if the 360 flopped? Nintendo could have made a run at it with what they made themselves for the Wii, but that would only go so far. And if the PS2 had somehow failed, would any developer feel comfortable making anything at all for the PS3?

It's not the most important thing to look at when deciding what hardware to buy, but it does affect things more than just the feelings of fanboys. A strong-selling system shows developers that they can make a game for it, and there will be a good chance it will sell.

[I-n-j-i-n]

The thing with the Wii and Nintendo sales, though, is that they always have sold well and always will, at least with the profit margin Nintendo is aiming for. And as far as the big franchises are concerned, the sales will always be high.

What always gets never talked about thoroughly, if at all, are the lower profile games. Maybe understandably so since their numbers tends to be low.

Another thing is that while the Gamecube had the equivalent number of sales to the Xbox, it actually had less number of 3rd party exclusives though the number evens out if you count all the 1st party exclusives. Again, I feel that Nintendo often takes too big of a spotlight with their home consoles and it might make the 3rd party less committed compared to what would otherwise be a mainly 3rd party consoles like the Xbox's and Playstations have been. We've seen the same story for the N64 and Gamecube so far. There has been some solid 3rd party games, but not nearly the torrent of titles available for the competing consoles. The sales alone aren't a reliable indicator of the 3rd party involvement.

And Nextgenwars.com has its numbers updated and it seems to match my prediction. Wii has more than 2 million and 360 is close to 10.

PS- The Wii will do fine and I think everybody realizes that it's not on the verge of death or anything. Though they can't simply port the games over and think things will be fine and dandy like in the Gamecube days. Simply because of the huge graphical discrepancy.

[JoeFu]

Still not anywhere near it though. I wouldn't take Nextgenwars worth a grain of salt. Not that I care that much about it, but fake numbers being thrown about are kinda dumb.

[TCK]

I say who cares about the sales. Play/buy what you like.Halle-fucking-lujah!

[KWarp]

Another thing is that while the Gamecube had the equivalent number of sales to the Xbox, it actually had less number of 3rd party exclusives though the number evens out if you count all the 1st party exclusives. Again, I feel that Nintendo often takes too big of a spotlight with their home consoles and it might make the 3rd party less committed compared to what would otherwise be a mainly 3rd party consoles like the Xbox's and Playstations have been. We've seen the same story for the N64 and Gamecube so far. There has been some solid 3rd party games, but not nearly the torrent of titles available for the competing consoles. The sales alone aren't a reliable indicator of the 3rd party involvement.
Agreed. In general I don't think many 3rd parties really commit to Nintendo platforms at all. Look at the giant sea of 3rd-party garbage that is GBA. I suspect some of these problems were rooted in the anti-3rd-party Nintendo of old. Lately trend is starting to change with the DS, but many games are still poor-quality sports games or Nintendogs and Brain Age clones. I suppose the PS2 has it's sea of garbage too.

[SilverStar]

Anyone else wondering how long until Nintendo consolidates their handheld and console lines into a single line of portable consoles?

I mean.. some sort of fairly high-end handheld(maybe GC quality, given the generation gap and technological advancement..), that has composite outputs to display on a TV.. but could do just as well as a portable/handheld, with wireless single-cart multiplayer through wifi/bluetooth and whatever else they can fucking cram in there.

[vega12]

Hmm, I don't think we'll be seeing any of that anytime soon from Nintendo. It just seems like making a system like that might be something Microsoft or Sony would be first to do. Nintendo is trying to take portables where consoles can't go, and likewise with consoles, so it would seem out of their strategy to compromise the two designs to get a fair medium. Of course, they could come up with something awesome that involves no compromising...

[KWarp]

Hmm, I don't think we'll be seeing any of that anytime soon from Nintendo. It just seems like making a system like that might be something Microsoft or Sony would be first to do. Nintendo is trying to take portables where consoles can't go, and likewise with consoles, so it would seem out of their strategy to compromise the two designs to get a fair medium. Of course, they could come up with something awesome that involves no compromising...
Something like a stand-alone portable machine that generates holographics perhaps? :roll: :P :wink:

[Smoke]

Well if that's the case I'll just wait for next month's salary to come in.

On that note, anybody know any good Internet shops that still sell (used) GC games that accept transactions to a bank account? Preferably in the Netherlands.

www.nedgame.com has just what you need, and also sells import games.

[Amayirot Akago]

Well if that's the case I'll just wait for next month's salary to come in.

On that note, anybody know any good Internet shops that still sell (used) GC games that accept transactions to a bank account? Preferably in the Netherlands.

www.nedgame.com has just what you need, and also sells import games.
You rock. Thanks a bunch :D

[vega12]

Hmm, I don't think we'll be seeing any of that anytime soon from Nintendo. It just seems like making a system like that might be something Microsoft or Sony would be first to do. Nintendo is trying to take portables where consoles can't go, and likewise with consoles, so it would seem out of their strategy to compromise the two designs to get a fair medium. Of course, they could come up with something awesome that involves no compromising...
Something like a stand-alone portable machine that generates holographics perhaps? :roll: :P :wink:

I left it at ellipsis just for your sake :D

[KWarp]

Stop baiting me! :3