Nintendo Wii

[JoeFu]

LOL, the source is SPONG, one of the worst gaming sites ever. It makes up so many fake rumors that everybody on gaming forums just discredit whatever they say.

[KWarp]

NiGHTS rumors have been floating around for around year now. The way I see it, knowing about it now or knowing about it next week won't make the game come out any faster.

(..I wish there were better youtube videos of the original game though. Anyone have a good one?)

[The Mutericator]

http://theamazingrolo.blogspot.com/2007/03/wii-loop-machine.html

Interesting, very interesting.

[SilverStar]

Final version of the internet channel has been delayed.. Nintendo has about a week to come out with a special channel, if they intend to keep to one a month.

[Penfold]

Final version of the internet channel has been delayed.. Nintendo has about a week to come out with a special channel, if they intend to keep to one a month.

At this point, as much as I'd like to see a new channel for March, I dunno if we well.

In unrelated news, EA is coming out with a new rhythm game for Wii called Boogie. (http://wii.ign.com/articles/775/775009p1.html) I'm somewht intrigued to see how the control scheme works, and how wiimote usage will vary from DDR Wii's usage of it (which, in case people didn't hear, is supposed to use both a DDR pad plugged into the GC port and Wiimote/nunchuk at the same time in at least one of the modes).

[KakTheInfected]

I remember in January Opera said the browser was finished and was just waiting for Nintendo to throw it up on the shop channel. So which is it?

[SilverStar]

At this point, as much as I'd like to see a new channel for March, I dunno if we well.

In unrelated news, EA is coming out with a new rhythm game for Wii called Boogie. (http://wii.ign.com/articles/775/775009p1.html) I'm somewht intrigued to see how the control scheme works, and how wiimote usage will vary from DDR Wii's usage of it (which, in case people didn't hear, is supposed to use both a DDR pad plugged into the GC port and Wiimote/nunchuk at the same time in at least one of the modes).

I only bothered looking at a single screen shot of Boogie, and in it.. it looked like you don't dance. Rather, you just swing your arms like a wiitard and shake the remotes like maracas or something.

[Soma]

http://theamazingrolo.blogspot.com/2007/03/wii-loop-machine.html

Interesting, very interesting.

Man, people are crazy. That's very cool. I bet alot of work went into that, it seems like it to me anyway. Do you think that if sony was uber successful with the ps3 people would be modding it to run off of ipods (there was a wii one) etc?

[Penfold]

I only bothered looking at a single screen shot of Boogie, and in it.. it looked like you don't dance. Rather, you just swing your arms like a wiitard and shake the remotes like maracas or something.

lol, yeah. From what we've seen so far, that seems pretty accurate. Who knows though, might actually end up being good :-P.

[atmuh]

screw that they should just make samba de amigo

[JoeFu]

I remember in January Opera said the browser was finished and was just waiting for Nintendo to throw it up on the shop channel. So which is it?
They are adding more stuff. That retarded box on the bottem now goes away. Zooming is awesomer and you can go to the url without going back home.

http://wii.com/jp/articles/internet-channel/story.html

[Ray Falling]

So DragonBall for Wii is supposed to be out today, but I can't find it anywere. The "official" release date was yesterday though, even got the newsletter saying so...

;_; I was looking forward to relaxing with this new game for the weekend.

[Citris]

So I wonder when Nintendo is going to relax on molesting the masses and give us another deep game besides Twilight Princess.

[KWarp]

So I wonder when Nintendo is going to relax on molesting the masses and give us another deep game besides Twilight Princess.

Super Paper Mario

Download some Virtual Console titles while you're at it.

[Airwalker]

Rumors (http://www.nintendorevolution.ca/03192007/16/report_new_katamari_rolling_to_nintendo_wii) up on the Internet sound like there may be a Katamari Damacy made for the Wii, as well as a different Xbox 360/PS3 version. I imagine this could be an enjoyable experience. This may come out this November.

Add that to NiGHTS and Wii Guitar Hero as dream games hoped out sometime in the future for the Wii.

[SilverStar]

So, anyone hear anything yet, about VGA cables for Wii? At this point, I'd particularly love them, since I just snagged a nice 19" widescreen LCD for my birthday, and it has DVI-D and VGA inputs.. and I'm now on the DVI, so I'd rather have a nice, progressive scan input to use on my free VGA, instead of using a tuner card..

[PuRe-eViL]

So DragonBall for Wii is supposed to be out today, but I can't find it anywere. The "official" release date was yesterday though, even got the newsletter saying so...

according to nintendo of australia's website, the DBZ game was meant to be out here (in australia =p) on the 3rd of march. every shop i called said it would be in on the 6th of april =/

just call up stores or check out sites that have *actual* release dates. as much as i like nintendo - they can be a real weiner.

[Ray Falling]

according to nintendo of australia's website, the DBZ game was meant to be out here (in australia =p) on the 3rd of march. every shop i called said it would be in on the 6th of april =/

just call up stores or check out sites that have *actual* release dates. as much as i like nintendo - they can be a real weiner.

I actually found a copy just now. It was in the last store I looked :)
Thank goodness for sunday-shopday :D

[Merk]

I remember in January Opera said the browser was finished and was just waiting for Nintendo to throw it up on the shop channel. So which is it?

April now
English version of the article JoeFu posted here (http://us.wii.com/story_internet.jsp)


Also, are we getting TMNT for the Virtual Console tomorrow in honor of the movie?

[Antipode]

I now own a Wii. And it is amazing.

As soon as I get the money, Zelda and Metal Slug Anthology are mine.

[Merk]

It would appear that Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV: Wall of Fire (SNES), is the ONLY Virtual Console release today.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I'm sort of tempted to buy Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV.. Then again, there are like a dozen, much superior versions of it out there. But the nostalgia factor..

[KakTheInfected]

I have a question. Has there always been a little banner logo in the top left corner of the window that pops up when you click on a save file in your Wii Data Management? Didn't it used to just be a simple icon for the game?

Edit: I also noticed that the description for Wario Ware has changed from "Smooth Moves" to "Get ready to move!" When did Nintendo do this?

[SosusOCR]

Ummmmm... So some game called NiGHTS is coming to the Wii, apparently thats big news


http://gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7599

[Linkjing Donuts]

some game called NiGHTS
shut up


and it is big news, if it's not fake

[Penfold]

if it's not fake

Yeah, given that there isn't an official announcement yet I'm not gonna get my hopes up. If it does come to fruition, I'd be all over it.

[SosusOCR]

Ok... dont like the NiGHTS news.. what about this one???

http://www.sega.com/gamesite/marioandsonic/index.php

Its official and confirmed and its fanboy's wet dream

[Penfold]

Ok... dont like the NiGHTS news.. what about this one???

http://www.sega.com/gamesite/marioandsonic/index.php

Its official and confirmed and its fanboy's wet dream

lol. For my thoughts on this, I'll refer to my comments here (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8668). Basically, I think it could be good and I'll be watching for what they come up with :wink:.

[Penfold]

Holy double-posting, Batman! (yeah, I know, I'm full of clever)

Microsoft, there's no need for bullshit remarks and whatnot (http://wii.ign.com/articles/776/776545p1.html). This kinda shit-talking is annoying, how do they think that's gonna change consumers' minds? That, and I find it annoying when a company explicitly tells the consumers what THEY want to buy.

In other news, looks like April 12 we can expect a little more news about Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles (http://wii.ign.com/articles/776/776549p1.html).

[Ray Falling]

Microsoft, there's no need for bullshit remarks and whatnot (http://wii.ign.com/articles/776/776545p1.html). This kinda shit-talking is annoying, how do they think that's gonna change consumers' minds? That, and I find it annoying when a company explicitly tells the consumers what THEY want to buy.


"We think that as soon as the Wii customer turns 14, they want something else."

Interresting, cause I'm almost 22 and I still don't want anything else but Nintendo (but I will admit that I'm mostly in it for the 1st party stuff).

It's also ironic how Microsoft was using the words "family, girl gamers, non-gamers" etc. in an earlier comment, saying what kind of games/machine they (MS) have (don't remember where I read it thoug). No one but Nintendo ever said anything about those things before the whole next-gen "the industry is in trouble!" crap. T__T;

Oh well, no use getting too upset about it, especially since I don't identify myself with the stereotypes of modern gaming.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I don't think that remark is too far out of the line. So far, Wii channels have offered a lot of cute little content along side Virtual Console. Xbox Live offers full video and movies right now. The demographics are different, that's all.

[Penfold]

I don't think that remark is too far out of the line. So far, Wii channels have offered a lot of cute little content along side Virtual Console. Xbox Live offers full video and movies right now. The demographics are different, that's all.

I would agree the content is different, not the demographics. I wouldn't say this one demographic is more apt to liking what the Wii has to offer, and this other one liking what the 360 has to offer. I say this as guy who wants a 360 somewhere down the line but doesn't mean that I got sick of the Wii or whatnot. My ladyfriend bought a Wii too, but still loves her some 360 for many of the same reasons I plan to get one (plus Halo 3...yeah, she's into it more than me). From the people I know and what I'm seeing in day-to-day life, I'm not seeing any specific demographic going to one more than the other (aside from, say, older people...just like DS, I think the Wii is succeeding in bringing in more people who aren't traditionally gamers, such as my parents and grandparents). Anyway, long story short, I would have been more apt to agree if it were a comment on the original XBox and Gamecube having different demographics, but I'm not really feeling that way about these two next-gen systems.

[Toadofsky]

I tend to ignore company reps mudslinging other consoles. Most of the time, I hear Sony doing it (not that Nintendo "NEVER" has) more often than the others.

As for the whole age demographic? I've been playing Nintendo games since I was a kid, and if I ever have kids, they'll probably play them too.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I would agree the content is different, not the demographics. I wouldn't say this one demographic is more apt to liking what the Wii has to offer, and this other one liking what the 360 has to offer. I say this as guy who wants a 360 somewhere down the line but doesn't mean that I got sick of the Wii or whatnot. My ladyfriend bought a Wii too, but still loves her some 360 for many of the same reasons I plan to get one (plus Halo 3...yeah, she's into it more than me). From the people I know and what I'm seeing in day-to-day life, I'm not seeing any specific demographic going to one more than the other (aside from, say, older people...just like DS, I think the Wii is succeeding in bringing in more people who aren't traditionally gamers, such as my parents and grandparents). Anyway, long story short, I would have been more apt to agree if it were a comment on the original XBox and Gamecube having different demographics, but I'm not really feeling that way about these two next-gen systems.

Maybe it's because you're an all around gamer with less biases towards these systems depending on how they're sold. Just like me and other gamers who can look beyond the marketing tactics and product campaigns.

I agree that nobody should be hunkered down to their supposed demographics and go from there. But according to that Xbox sales rep, his job is all about looking out for such demographics and serving them. This is not an attack to Nintendo, but you have to admit that they're going for a family (aka kiddy, kid-friendly) atmosphere with the Wii more so than they ever had. Xbox obviously seems to go for the slightly tech-savvier group of young adults for the most part. It is not indicative of which groups are better gamers or 'kiddy' or anything like that. I know plenty of young pre-teen relatives who are into 360.

As far as 'mudslinging' goes, the rep saying "We think that as soon as the Wii customer turns 14, they want something else." doesn't strike me as offensive. It doesn't help that the IGN editors are pretty biased with these assessments as well. At least that MS rep said "we think" and didn't outright proclaim that Nintendo was a kiddy/inferior system the way Sony does it.

[atmuh]

I've had a Wii since launch and whatnot, but now I'm almost starting to agree with Microsoft. I have been playing Nintendo games ever since forever but....now they're most definitely not what they used to be. There hasn't been a single Wii game that has made me go wow thusfar, and I can see some 360 games that would...

[Red Shadow]

I've had a Wii since launch and whatnot, but now I'm almost starting to agree with Microsoft. I have been playing Nintendo games ever since forever but....now they're most definitely not what they used to be. There hasn't been a single Wii game that has made me go wow thusfar, and I can see some 360 games that would...
wii games that you have played, or wii games that you have read about?

relatively important

[atmuh]

wii games that you have played, or wii games that you have read about?

relatively important

played ahahaha I forgot that

lets see
I have...
zelda - good not great
warioware - good until the day after you buy it
elebits - played for 20 minutes
wii play - oh god no
trauma center - probably the best, but still not great I didn't think
wii sports - my mom likes that one

uhhh i think thats it

the only game i play on my wii nowadays is smash bros melee

[KakTheInfected]

Well, I think you just need to play more games. I have been loving any FPS on the Wii lately, even the terrible framerate and slow turning Red Steel. It's nice to have actual pointer control on a console for once.

The biggest cockblocker to anyone enjoying the Wii right now though is zero online play. Seriously, why the hell can't I play something simple like Gunstar Heroes online? Lazy fgts.

[Airwalker]

The biggest cockblocker to anyone enjoying the Wii right now though is zero online play. Seriously, why the hell can't I play something simple like Gunstar Heroes online? Lazy fgts.

There is so totally online play. You see, the Everyone Votes channel has an amazing feature where you can compete with everybody the world over by guessing which answer of a two-answer mutliple choice question is what most people will pick.

[anthonium]

I would hardly call that online play but I suppose you were being sarcastic. But seriously Nintendo was boasting so much about online you'd think they would have had it ready since the system launch. Had there been an online mario kart at system launch I would have wet myself.

[chrono26]

The biggest cockblocker to anyone enjoying the Wii right now though is zero online play. Seriously, why the hell can't I play something simple like Gunstar Heroes online? Lazy fgts.

browsing the wii shop channel is kinda like an online window shopping game...

[Zup]

browsing the wii shop channel is kinda like an online window shopping game...

Especially when you're not willing to shell out $10.00 increments to get a game you want that's only 800 Wii points...gah.

But seriously, I love VC. Much more so than VD.

[atmuh]

seriously at this point I have given up on the whole online play thing with nintendo
even when they do it it'll be one out of ever 10 games and suck like online DS is
there is no defense against friend codes at all
that is one thing Microsoft is right about, nintendo treats all their customers like 12 year olds when it comes to online play/friend codes

[Antipode]

Obligatory Wii post. Carry on.

[supremespleen]

Boy, TP had a wicked sweet ending.

(finally beat it, heh)

[Merk]

North America VC releases today:

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (NES) - I was a week late
Starfox 64 (N64) - DO A BARREL ROLL
Dragon's Curse (T-16) - Take your pick of title Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap, or Wonder Boy in Moster World II, or just Dragon's Curse I

[Cecilff2]

Boy, TP had a wicked sweet ending.

(finally beat it, heh)

Strangely enough you don't have to restore a certain someones memory. Though that doesn't affect the ending in any way.

[Fire in the Hole]

Starfox 64 (N64) - DO A BARREL ROLL

YES !

[Ray Falling]

seriously at this point I have given up on the whole online play thing with nintendo
even when they do it it'll be one out of ever 10 games and suck like online DS is
there is no defense against friend codes at all
that is one thing Microsoft is right about, nintendo treats all their customers like 12 year olds when it comes to online play/friend codes

I know what ya mean. It's like they're focussing too much on making it kid friendly, but they forget that we're still here too.
Maybe it won't be so bad, but I'd hate to have no proper online games on my Nintendo this generation.
There's no way I'm changing systems either. This will propbably be the last console I'll ever play if things go bad. ;_;

[Red Shadow]

i have never understood why people whine so much about friend codes

what the hell is the problem with them?

[KakTheInfected]

The fact that there is no good reason whatsoever for them to exist.

[Red Shadow]

you mean keeping idiots out of your online play is a bad thing

you get to choose who specifically you play with when it comes to these things

i like them for that reason

[KakTheInfected]

You can do that in almost any online game. If I want to play with just friends in C&C3 or Day of Defeat, I can. If I'm playing with someone I don't know and they're annoying me, I can mute their text/speech with a click or two. None of that requires me to put in a shitload of numbers.

[Doulifée]

i just start heatseeker yesterday. the game is not that good (if i compare to ace combat) but using a wiimote to handle your plane is fun. the speed effect is better than Ace combat btw, at full speed over mach 1 it's hard to turn properly.

[PuRe-eViL]

friend codes would've been fine if all you had to do was enter 'em in once on your wii. but apparently each game is going to require it's own 'friends roster', which is an almighty weiner.

this means we need to punch in X friend codes for Y online games.

to me that seems a bit redundant (and retarded), and could've been done a lot better.

[atmuh]

you mean keeping idiots out of your online play is a bad thing

you get to choose who specifically you play with when it comes to these things

i like them for that reason

words are simpler to remember than numbers

[Toadofsky]

As Ray Falling said, I'm probably not going to be buying any more systems after the Wii, I figure since half the games on ANY system have not been that entertaining as I used to think they would. I would buy a 360 (more likely the elite), but now with a blown head gasket on my truck, everything is on a permanent hiatus...

[Fire in the Hole]

friend codes would've been fine if all you had to do was enter 'em in once on your wii. but apparently each game is going to require it's own 'friends roster', which is an almighty weiner.

I still have yet to hear any official confirmation (read: not "this one guy at this one developer said...") from solid sources (read: Nintendo) that this is happening for all games. Yes, we know it is happening for Battle Revolution, but it's probably necessitated by its functionality with the DS games, and there's no indication that other plans are not in place for other games.

[Power Surge]

http://gonintendo.com/?p=14962

[Drack]

http://gonintendo.com/?p=14962

Unfortunate.

What does a code do that a login name doesn't?

Why can't you just use a login for, say, nintendo.com, confirm that login/pass ONCE on each game and have the server handle your codes transparently? That way you could enter codes (for those without login names) or names, and have the server resolve the codes from the centralized database, much like DNS works for letting you type in "http://www.google.com" instead of "http://209.85.165.104"

They have every tool necessary to make that happen.

[Bahamut]

Damn that bites...I hated entering in that XBox Live Gold code as well, and that was once.

[JoeFu]

I won't believe that thing. If that was formal, I'm pretty sure that Nintendo would have announced it already. And way to post stuff from a few weeks ago...


Most likely the email was from some guy whose job is to make replies to emails sent from fans who wonder whats going on. I doubt those guys have a clue what Japan wants to do with the Wii's online infrastructure. I won't put much trust into NOA unless someone like Iwata says the same thing because NOA is just here because it has to be.

And if friend codes are the way... oh well. I don't care, its just a few numbers.

[Penfold]

i just start heatseeker yesterday. the game is not that good (if i compare to ace combat) but using a wiimote to handle your plane is fun. the speed effect is better than Ace combat btw, at full speed over mach 1 it's hard to turn properly.

I'm kinda interested in this game. So overall pretty fun? Do you think you'd recommend it?

Btw, Kak, how'd Fire Emblem Goddess of Dawn end up treating you? I assume it ended up being at least equal to Path of Radiance, no?

Anyway, preordered Super Paper Mario last week (finally!) online, so should be receiving that by the 13th at the latest. Really frickin' excited for that, especially after watching the vids they had on ign recently. That game is looking solid.

[KakTheInfected]

Yeah, it's as good as PoR. I love it because it's Fire Emblem, but I'd have liked to see them at least include better visuals and a lot more voice acting.

And being able to take your party online and fight others would be so fun, but no such luck...

[chrono26]

Anyway, preordered Super Paper Mario last week (finally!) online, so should be receiving that by the 13th at the latest. Really frickin' excited for that, especially after watching the vids they had on ign recently. That game is looking solid.

i wasnt a big fan of the last paper mario on cube. but i cant lie, the new one looks crazy good. i love how you can switch from 2D to 3D kinda like turning a piece of paper around. nintnedo never ceases to amaze me with new and innovative ways to play.

[Airwalker]

i wasnt a big fan of the last paper mario on cube. but i cant lie, the new one looks crazy good. i love how you can switch from 2D to 3D kinda like turning a piece of paper around. nintnedo never ceases to amaze me with new and innovative ways to play.

*ahem* It should be...

"Intelligent Systems Co., Ltd., an internal developer owned by Nintendo, never ceases to amaze me with new and innovative ways to play."

[chrono26]

*ahem* It should be...

"Intelligent Systems Co., Ltd., an internal developer owned by Nintendo, never ceases to amaze me with new and innovative ways to play."

no...i meant nintendo

[Penfold]

i wasnt a big fan of the last paper mario on cube. but i cant lie, the new one looks crazy good. i love how you can switch from 2D to 3D kinda like turning a piece of paper around. nintnedo never ceases to amaze me with new and innovative ways to play.

Yeah, the play mechanics they're putting in are really looking fun/innovative. Since the Gamecube Paper Mario (personally I really liked it), looks like they've really tightened the visuals (better anti-aliasing, more vibrant, etc). When I first heard about Paper Mario for the N64, I imagined something much closer to this Wii game than what actually became the original Paper Mario: a platformer, not an RPG. Can't wait for next week!

[SilverStar]

Yeah, the play mechanics they're putting in are really looking fun/innovative. Since the Gamecube Paper Mario (personally I really liked it), looks like they've really tightened the visuals (better anti-aliasing, more vibrant, etc). When I first heard about Paper Mario for the N64, I imagined something much closer to this Wii game than what actually became the original Paper Mario: a platformer, not an RPG. Can't wait for next week!

I wonder when the first mega game, designed from the first line of code, will be for the Wii. So far, the 2 biggeest games, Zelda and Paper Mario, were both originally GC titles but then just ported.

[Penfold]

Btw, looks like Mario Strikers: Charged will have online play. (http://wii.ign.com/articles/777/777886p1.html)

[SilverStar]

Btw, looks like Mario Strikers: Charged will have online play. (http://wii.ign.com/articles/777/777886p1.html)

More than that, it looks like it'll have -real- online play.. except for the damned friend codes. Even having ladders and ranked play.

[KakTheInfected]

Hopefully it will receive updates and patches. Exploits and hackers can ruin a good online game pretty quickly if it doesn't receive maintenence.

[Ray Falling]

I wonder when the first mega game, designed from the first line of code, will be for the Wii. So far, the 2 biggeest games, Zelda and Paper Mario, were both originally GC titles but then just ported.

There's so many titles that we have yet to hear about n_n, the waiting is killing me.

I'm all up for trying brand new titles but let's face it, it wouldn't be Nintendo if we didn't have games like Starfox and F-zero, just to name a few. (Ehehe, that's actually all I can come up with right now, how sad).

I would be very happy to have another Starwars Rogue Squadron, but the other games kinda had it all covered 0_0.
Fire Emblem is on it's way I guess...so is the new Pokemon.

Come to think of it, isn't like 97% of the Wii games out now a port of some sort anyway? ;_; T'is a sad bussines

[Red Shadow]

I wonder when the first mega game, designed from the first line of code, will be for the Wii. So far, the 2 biggeest games, Zelda and Paper Mario, were both originally GC titles but then just ported.
which comes out first: prime 3, ssbb, or mario galaxy?

[Fire in the Hole]

which comes out first: prime 3, ssbb, or mario galaxy?

Last I heard it the looks of things were that they'd probably come in exactly that order, but who knows how it's panned out more recently.

[KakTheInfected]

I think Brawl will be out first actually...but I hope Metroid hits first.

[Penfold]

which comes out first: prime 3, ssbb, or mario galaxy?

Yeah, that's pretty much the question. That, and when do we start getting release dates. I've got the feeling the next time we'll be seeing another big 1st party title hit shelves is probably July. While people have argued this is because they don't want to flood the market with many 1st party games because the 3rd party titles can't compete, I disagree. I think, for them, it's all gonna come down to sales momentum. Seems to me they'd be able to keep up momentum if they space out their big releases.

[HideousBeing]

I was thinking about getting WarioWare: Smooth Moves, but I heard that it's a disappointment. What do you guys think? Is it worth getting? It's either that or Trama Center.

[Amayirot Akago]

WarioWare is definitely worth getting if you're a fan of insanity and/or a good workout, not to mention if you're interested in seeing what the Wiimote is really capable of.

[Penfold]

I was thinking about getting WarioWare: Smooth Moves, but I heard that it's a disappointment. What do you guys think? Is it worth getting? It's either that or Trama Center.

Both are good (and worth getting IMO). I wouldn't call WarioWare a disappointment, but that's just me.

[Merk]

I was thinking about getting WarioWare: Smooth Moves, but I heard that it's a disappointment. What do you guys think? Is it worth getting? It's either that or Trama Center.

I'd probably rent it first. I'm a huge fan of the series and blew through the game in a day and unlocked everything the next. There aren't as many extras as Touched or Twisted though.

[chrono26]

...but I hope Metroid hits first.

man i cant wait for prime 3. i think it's way past time to give us a little bit more info or screens or something. dont get me wrong, i dont want them to ruin it for us, but all we've gotten since E3 is "The controls feel solid and precise," and that, "The graphics have had a huge overhaul since E3 -- vastly better than games like Halo 2". c'mon retro! this game is gonna be so awesome you can afford to give us a little something!

[JoeFu]

I finally beat MP2 last month, such an awesome game. I think I'm going to replay MP just because I forgot how awesome that game was.

Also, I beat Paper Mario 2 last week just to gear myself up for SPM even though they aren't even the same type of game. I hope the writing in SPM is even better than the writing in PM:TTYD. Ahhhhh, only one week. SUPER PAPER MARIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Toadofsky]

From what I've heard, Metroid Prime 3 may come out early next year (just rumor, not a 100% positive on that), Smash Bros. Brawl during the late Summer (August/September), and Mario Galaxy coming in November/December.

Whether that's true or not I don't know. Reggie Fis Aime has been dodging the Metroid Prime 3 release date lately...

[The Mutericator]

From what I've heard, Metroid Prime 3 may come out early next year (just rumor, not a 100% positive on that), Smash Bros. Brawl during the late Summer (August/September), and Mario Galaxy coming in November/December.

Whether that's true or not I don't know. Reggie Fis Aime has been dodging the Metroid Prime 3 release date lately...


Yeah, because it was supposed to be out already. It almost looks like Brawl, Corruption, and Galaxy are all going to hit this holiday season.

As much as I like the idea of waiting until you're completely done with a game to release it, I think Nintendo needs to try and get they're act together about release dates. Spend a little more money, hire a little more staff where the process is slow, and try a little harder to get the game done faster. Because by now I think pretty much everyone online just counts on the real release date as one-two years after it's supposed to be released (Brawl was supposed to be launch, but was moved back very quickly, Corruption was supposed to be launch, but was moved back to March and then dodged from there on, Twilight Princess was supposed to come out fall 2004 and took two extra years... you get the idea).

[Bahamut]

When was it said that Brawl was supposed to be at launch?

[Hector]

Brawl is understandably late as Nintendo didn't actually start developing it until after they had announced a release date.

As to hiring extra developers, that's not something you do suddenly but part of slowly growing a company.

And as to delays, I blame sales people's optimism and tactics. Developers are busy developing, not giving estimates-the sales people then try to put the best spin on something and say that the game will be out at a particularly favorable time (oftentimes launch). Then when the game gets done in the spring or summer, they suggest that the game be delayed until an opportune moment (the holidays). Afterall, its highly unlikely that production cycles for games like Gears of War, Zelda and Guitar Hero II just happened to end in time for Christmas--those games could all have been launched months earlier.

[JoeFu]

When was it said that Brawl was supposed to be at launch?
What I've read from the smashbros website (Sakurai talks about how the game came to be) . When Nintendo unvieled the Wii, Iwata said that Smash Bros was going to be online at launch, but the thing is it was never Brawl. The game was supposed to be Melee with just an online function. Iwata didn't get Sakurai to make Brawl until a few days into E3 and it was thanks to our Zelda man Eji Aonuma who convinced him to make Brawl.

[chrono26]

well i dont think its neccesarily a good idea to just hire new developers just to meet the announced release date. honestly if games like twilight princess had come out any earlier, i dont think it would be as good. nintendo needs to just working on setting realistic release dates from the start. and not all set-backs turn out being bad. when MP was in development, they laid off a bunch of their staff and cancelled like 4 other games, some that were far into development. along with the switct to first person everyone thought that game was a big fiasco. a joke. and look how it turned out.

[Fire in the Hole]

When Nintendo unvieled the Wii, Iwata said that Smash Bros was going to be online at launch, but the thing is it was never Brawl. The game was supposed to be Melee with just an online function. Iwata didn't get Sakurai to make Brawl until a few days into E3 and it was thanks to our Zelda man Eji Aonuma who convinced him to make Brawl.

So... Brawl was never slated for launch. :whatevaa:

[Penfold]

Resident Evil 4 now confirmed for Wii (http://wii.ign.com/articles/778/778248p1.html).

More (somewhat disappointing, IMO) Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles details (http://wii.ign.com/articles/778/778247p1.html).

A few more details for NiGHTs (http://wii.ign.com/articles/778/778242p1.html). Looks like it has a similar wiiconnect 24 feature to Madden, where what the forecast channel shows the current weather as being will be what the weather is in the game.

[chrono26]

Resident Evil 4 now confirmed for Wii (http://wii.ign.com/articles/778/778248p1.html)


i jumped out of my seat when i read that because i thought it siad RE5. lol in my dreams i guess. RE4 for wii sounds cool but it better not be at full price.


More (somewhat disappointing, IMO) Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles details (http://wii.ign.com/articles/778/778247p1.html).


bleh, capcom hates us :-(

[Penfold]

i jumped out of my seat when i read that because i thought it siad RE5. lol in my dreams i guess. RE4 for wii sounds cool but it better not be at full price.

That would have been really nice. I'm guessing RE4 will be a full-priced game, but personally I would buy it...ah damn, I gotta say it..."I'll buy it at a high price."

Anyway, yeah, apperantly Capcom does hate us. The concept behind Umbrella Chronicles was really cool, and if they had kept the same basic layout as RE4 I'd imagine the game to be awesome. This doesn't sound like it'll live up to my expectations as a RE game for Wii, nor for an on-rails fps (since I doubt it'd be anywhere as good as Killer7). Anyway, just disappointed with the direction they decided to take it.

[chrono26]

...ah damn, I gotta say it..."I'll buy it at a high price."


LMAO hahaha. "wudaya buyin'?" but yeah i guess i'd buy RE4 for wii. i'm sure it'll be worth it. but i'm not really feeling the whole Umbrella Chronicles stuff at all.

[Red Shadow]

who else is waiting to see area 51 ported

[JoeFu]

Well reading neogaf (that place is great for news) and looking at the scans of RE:UE, the game looks awesome, its crazy, too bad it's on rails, game could still be good though.

Anyways, RE4 Wii should be discount price as it is going to be in Japan. It comes out the end of May in Japan.

Also, I think I might get this. My bro only rented RE4, so now we have a chance to own it and play all the extra stuff from the PS2 version.

[SilverStar]

Since I'm one of those crazy ones who never played RE4 on GC, paying full price wouldn't be as much of a pain to me. But seeing how it's the same game with a few extra bits tacked on, I'd certainly hope it isn't.

And another.. what was it? Gun Survivor? No thanks. It didn't do so well the first time. And rail shooters, I would imagine, wouldn't be nearly as fun when you're not holding something that looks like an actual gun. Especially when you have an on-screen cursor. You're not aiming, you're pointing. Takes away all the fun.

But, NiGHTS does sound nifty. Air -and- water play, huh? I hope they play on the differences in control response, between the 3 types of air flight(normal, dragon(unaffected by wind) and rocket), and the absolute freedom of underwater. And make it so the weather of the different levels is based on different places around the world, too.

[Bigfoot]

Metroid Prime 3 has been delayed again. Don't expect to see it until after June of 07. They said they weren't happen with the sales Prime 2, so they want to make the last one of the series to really be the best.

Maybe we'll see some online multiplayer?

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3158460

[JoeFu]

The game has only really been delayed once. It was supposed to come out at the Wii launch, but they delayed it. They never gave a set date after that. Anyways, Retro can take their time with it. Metroid Prime 1 and 2 were freaking awesome and I hope Prime 3 will be even awesomer.

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, I'm not losing sleep over it. I have a lot of other things to keep me busy atm.

[Unstable Hamster]

I'd agree with ya on the delay, I'm ok with it, it just allows them to make sure the game will be a smash hit. So I can take a delay or two on games. Its just when they keep delaying till it gets canned (Starcraft Ghost) is when I get mad.

On another note, anyone wanting Super Paper Mario? I think I'll go pre-order it just to make sure I get this game.

[SilverStar]

I'd agree with ya on the delay, I'm ok with it, it just allows them to make sure the game will be a smash hit. So I can take a delay or two on games. Its just when they keep delaying till it gets canned (Starcraft Ghost) is when I get mad.

On another note, anyone wanting Super Paper Mario? I think I'll go pre-order it just to make sure I get this game.

Planning on picking it up on monday or tuesday.

[JoeFu]

I can't wait any longer for SPM. The game looks amazing.

[Fire in the Hole]

I paid it off at EB with the reserve I had for Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (won't come out before I move anyway, and iirc reserves are locked in to the store they're made at) plus a few trades that a friend of mine never got around to scrounging up cash to take from me. It's too bad Spring Break is this week.

[SilverStar]

You know, this is interesting.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/charticle-the-first-four-months-249629.php

Judging by that, Dreamcast, Xbox(original), N64 and Gamecube have all outsold the comparable Sony systems, for the generation, in their first 4 months.

And at the same time, the Sony systems were the weakest of the bunch. Yet they still won out, somehow.

N64 was more powerful than PS1. Dreamcast, Gamecube and Xbox, all more powerful than PS2. And yet, somehow Sony came out on top, both times.

I hope it doesn't come out the same way.. but with Nintendo selling 2-3 times more than Sony, that's more than just a tiny lead they're scraping together.

But, 2 killer apps(even if they're just ports that were originally aimed for Gamecube) in the first 6 months, certainly looks promising. Then more killer apps by the end of the year, before Sony gets their first real killer app.

[i <3 robots]

You know, this is interesting.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/charticle-the-first-four-months-249629.php


The Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube are still selling well. With the Wii selling crazily. It's got the best buzz currently of the new-gen. I think though most people are still waiting for the killer apps for the newer machines to arrive then we'll see a real battle of the consoles.

[Bahamut]

The Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube are still selling well. With the Wii selling crazily. It's got the best buzz currently of the new-gen. I think though most people are still waiting for the killer apps for the newer machines to arrive then we'll see a real battle of the consoles.

The 360 already has quite a bunch of amazing games...I just think awareness of them might be more towards the hardcore though. The Wii has its own killer app with Wii Sports so far too, as well as the early Zelda.

[i <3 robots]

The 360 already has quite a bunch of amazing games...I just think awareness of them might be more towards the hardcore though. The Wii has its own killer app with Wii Sports so far too, as well as the early Zelda.

Well, as for the Wii, yes it has those great games, but Wii Sports is a pack in. I don't know a lot of people who are buying a Wii for Wii Sports. Zelda as good as it is, is also available for the Gamecube so not really exclusive. Mainly I think the Wii is so popular because of it's uniqueness, price, and simplicity. The X360, I was probably leaning towards Halo 3 as its killer app. PS3 will have MGS4 and/or FF13 whenever they come out. Most of the software will be coming out this year so we'll see what happens.

[Bahamut]

Well, as for the Wii, yes it has those great games, but Wii Sports is a pack in. I don't know a lot of people who are buying a Wii for Wii Sports. Zelda as good as it is, is also available for the Gamecube so not really exclusive. Mainly I think the Wii is so popular because of it's uniqueness, price, and simplicity. The X360, I was probably leaning towards Halo 3 as its killer app. PS3 will have MGS4 and/or FF13 whenever they come out. Most of the software will be coming out this year so we'll see what happens.

I've heard all too much of friends' parents loving Wii Sports so much after playing it that they went out and bought a Wii for themselves...it's a much bigger phenomenon than you might realize. Old people also love games like Wii Sports since most of them can't really go outside and play those sports safely.

As for the 360 (as much of a tangent as that is), Gears of War drew me to buying it, as well as the massive discount I got on my 360 Premium.

[I-n-j-i-n]

You have to be living under a rock not to at least see one or two truly great games the 360 has so far. I agree the Wii Sports is a very attractive option for gaming newbies, but I think something like Warioware uses the whole thing so much better and it still is somewhat newbie friendly.

Also, the current generation of games haven't faded completely yet, but they will soon. I really haven't heard of any exciting game releases beyond 2007. Maybe except for a Nippon Ichi game or two for the PS2. Other than that, it's entirely next gen.

You know, this is interesting.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/charticle-the-first-four-months-249629.php

Judging by that, Dreamcast, Xbox(original), N64 and Gamecube have all outsold the comparable Sony systems, for the generation, in their first 4 months.

And at the same time, the Sony systems were the weakest of the bunch. Yet they still won out, somehow.

N64 was more powerful than PS1. Dreamcast, Gamecube and Xbox, all more powerful than PS2. And yet, somehow Sony came out on top, both times.

I hope it doesn't come out the same way.. but with Nintendo selling 2-3 times more than Sony, that's more than just a tiny lead they're scraping together.

But, 2 killer apps(even if they're just ports that were originally aimed for Gamecube) in the first 6 months, certainly looks promising. Then more killer apps by the end of the year, before Sony gets their first real killer app.

The thing with both generations of Sony consoles were that they just had a mob of third parties backing them a year or two into their lifespans. PSX especially so, since the 3rd parties left what they perceived as a parent-complex Nintendo had for 3rd parties in that time (some would argue they still have a bit of that mentality today).

But I don't think it is entirely attributable to only the Wii's early success either. The 360 pretty much snap up more and more token 3rd party Sony exclusives by the day, and Sony is playing a major catch-up to the Xbox Live online service and even that software revamp won't come until around a year from now. I would have thought people crazy if back in 2006, people actually thought Microsoft would be leading Sony around by its nose like this.

[i <3 robots]

Ok maybe I should say that the big guns haven't been drawn yet. It's just too early too tell what's gonna happen. I know I'm holding off on buying any new-gen system at all until a price drop happens or more titles (that I'm interested in) are available. Got too many PS2 and DS games to beat right now anyway....

[Bahamut]

Well, owning all 3 systems, it's really looking like at least for the short-term, the 360 is going to dominate - the 360 lineup is pretty killer this year for only its second year out, and has something for almost everyone.

[SilverStar]

You have to be living under a rock not to at least see one or two truly great games the 360 has so far. I agree the Wii Sports is a very attractive option for gaming newbies, but I think something like Warioware uses the whole thing so much better and it still is somewhat newbie friendly.

Also, the current generation of games haven't faded completely yet, but they will soon. I really haven't heard of any exciting game releases beyond 2007. Maybe except for a Nippon Ichi game or two for the PS2. Other than that, it's entirely next gen.



The thing with both generations of Sony consoles were that they just had a mob of third parties backing them a year or two into their lifespans. PSX especially so, since the 3rd parties left what they perceived as a parent-complex Nintendo had for 3rd parties in that time (some would argue they still have a bit of that mentality today).

But I don't think it is entirely attributable to only the Wii's early success either. The 360 pretty much snap up more and more token 3rd party Sony exclusives by the day, and Sony is playing a major catch-up to the Xbox Live online service and even that software revamp won't come until around a year from now. I would have thought people crazy if back in 2006, people actually thought Microsoft would be leading Sony around by its nose like this.

Even for being as much a fan of Nintendo as I am, I would have been hard pressed to believe that Nintendo has been able to almost catch up with MS for number of hardware sold(1/2 to 2/3, depending on which numbers you go by), in half the time. I mean.. according to VGCharts, for example, X360 hasn't passed 10 million yet. It would seem that the sales of the 360 have slowed down to the point where they've been hovering in the 9 million range for the past 6 months, almost like they stalled as soon as the other boys entered the playground.

And, frankly, I didn't think Nintendo would be able to hold its own against Sony, yet alone come ahead with amazingly dominating numbers. I hope they at least come in with a heavy second place, with a good 10-20M more units than gamecube had, globally. I also hope that we don't see -all- of Sony's big titles hit this year. Would suck for those who actually did buy it, to have it go the way of the Dreamcast(with the same kind of cult-like loyal following).

On the other hand, it looks like Nintendo is firing all guns, trying to hit the market with -everything- they have, in the first 12-18 months. Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, Metroid.. even other, surprisingly popular franchises are being pulled out of retirement. Will Nintendo have anything left, come spring '09? Or is that when we'll see Nintendo start pumping out original IPs, like they attempted with Pikmin?

[I-n-j-i-n]

Even for being as much a fan of Nintendo as I am, I would have been hard pressed to believe that Nintendo has been able to almost catch up with MS for number of hardware sold(1/2 to 2/3, depending on which numbers you go by), in half the time. I mean.. according to VGCharts, for example, X360 hasn't passed 10 million yet. It would seem that the sales of the 360 have slowed down to the point where they've been hovering in the 9 million range for the past 6 months, almost like they stalled as soon as the other boys entered the playground.

Um. According to many charts, it apparently has passed 10 million and is closing in on 11 million. "past 6 months" is a gross miscalculation since even according to VGCharts, the 360 had at least 1 million sales in December. So it's impossible it 'hovered' in that range. Also, the sales have peaked in December, but the monthly sales for the 360 hasn't gone too far down. It's still in the 250,000 range and it's still edging on even in the slower gaming months as of late. The PS3 still is a new console and still has some buzz about it so it's selling roughly on a similar level for now. The Wii obviously, still has the shortage and it's still selling very well as of now. The numbers speak for themselves. The numbers for Wii is that it's still riding the early wave (surely it can't stay that level forever. The Gamecube actually sold very well early on until it leveled down. We don't know what really can happen with the Wii, though I think it won't do as bad obviously). The 360 numbers can best be described as consistent. Look at every months' sales and it's almost always more than 250,000 a month. Pretty respectable overall sales numbers.

And, frankly, I didn't think Nintendo would be able to hold its own against Sony, yet alone come ahead with amazingly dominating numbers. I hope they at least come in with a heavy second place, with a good 10-20M more units than gamecube had, globally. I also hope that we don't see -all- of Sony's big titles hit this year. Would suck for those who actually did buy it, to have it go the way of the Dreamcast(with the same kind of cult-like loyal following).

Considering the long term goals and the money Sony still has, I seriously doubt it. Even if they trail both MS and Nintendo, Sony will have content for years. Hell, they already have some very good games on the PS3, even if they aren't all going to be exclusive.

On the other hand, it looks like Nintendo is firing all guns, trying to hit the market with -everything- they have, in the first 12-18 months. Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, Metroid.. even other, surprisingly popular franchises are being pulled out of retirement. Will Nintendo have anything left, come spring '09? Or is that when we'll see Nintendo start pumping out original IPs, like they attempted with Pikmin?

I don't really see what's so big a difference about the release schedule for those games as the Gamecube had a similar launch plan if you can remember (except for Wind Waker which came around two years in).

Well, owning all 3 systems, it's really looking like at least for the short-term, the 360 is going to dominate - the 360 lineup is pretty killer this year for only its second year out, and has something for almost everyone.

I think the question is the next year as those stuff are more prospective sequels that have only been rumored or hinted at. Also consider that Halo 3 WILL sell new consoles and GTA4 coming this fall is going to make a huge impact for 360 as well as possibly the PS3. With the consistent lineup of 1st party stuff, I believe most Nintendo fanatics will have gotten the Wii around the first few years of its life. And the rest probably being the catch-up sales and the casual sales. The 360, as long as it can keep the unique titles coming along, could still remain consistent and possibly at the top even through the years. I think it'll still be a "Wii60" kind of thing in the end. They both do seem to complement eachother a bit better than the PS3 as of now, including all the variety of games the 360 has that the PS3 is supposed to deliver.

[Penfold]

Well, owning all 3 systems, it's really looking like at least for the short-term, the 360 is going to dominate - the 360 lineup is pretty killer this year for only its second year out, and has something for almost everyone.

Yeah, this far in the 360 is definitely the leader. I think it all depends on how well Nintendo can manage their sales momentum. I think they're doing a good job of it so far, slowly releasing their big titles (I'm guessing at most one every 3 months). I wouldn't be suprised if it's another full year before Prime 3, SSBB, and Mario Galaxy have all hit market. It'll be interesting to see how the Wii does after a full year on market, but so far it's off to a nice start.

[chrono26]

i'm for nintendo all the way but i'm still gonna get a 360 when the price drop rolls along. but have any of you guys noticed that new games and franchise can come out on PS and XBOX and everyone eats it up but if nintendo tries something new then everyone is like "eh, where's mario and zelda?" not even realizing that not all games on nintendo systems are made by nintnedo. i'm not saying that it's the whole gaming community, but there seems to be that mentality there and i dont know why. and it's really hurting nintendo in the long run i believe.

[Wipomatic]

Nintendo are really starting to annoy me now. http://kotaku.com/gaming/super-paper-mario/super-paper-mario-gets-pal-delay-249810.php

[JoeFu]

Nintendo are really starting to annoy me now. http://kotaku.com/gaming/super-paper-mario/super-paper-mario-gets-pal-delay-249810.php
Doesn't like NOE suck? Oh well, you guys get Mario Strikers first and it is an online game.

[PuRe-eViL]

Well, being in Australia and all, I've learned to expect many-a-delay from Nintendo =/ which is why I've started to import my DS games.

... And cry about Wii game release dates ;_;

[Ray Falling]

i'm for nintendo all the way but i'm still gonna get a 360 when the price drop rolls along. but have any of you guys noticed that new games and franchise can come out on PS and XBOX and everyone eats it up but if nintendo tries something new then everyone is like "eh, where's mario and zelda?" not even realizing that not all games on nintendo systems are made by nintnedo. i'm not saying that it's the whole gaming community, but there seems to be that mentality there and i dont know why. and it's really hurting nintendo in the long run i believe.

It's probably because of the association people still have with the brands.
It's like...me making a video of me diving in a pool of jello. Which is of course, an awesome idea.
Now, what happens if in this awesome idea, we replace me for "sexy naked super model"?
Ya know where I'm going with this ;)

Nintendo is usually very careful with new games too, and I don't get the feeling they're really 100% behind them all the time.
While with other consoles, I get the feeling that developers are really behind their idea and are not afraid to use all means necesary, despite knowing the risk.
Not sure if that's true of course, but that's the feeling I get sometimes.

I must admit, I'm always wondering when the Nintendo-only games come out myself...I dunno, it's just garantueed quality.
Everytime I try to be open to new things I end up disappointed and wanting my money back T__T

EDIT:

Nintendo are really starting to annoy me now. http://kotaku.com/gaming/super-paper-mario/super-paper-mario-gets-pal-delay-249810.php

For the love of Mike T__T; I'm so sick of this treatment!
Why don't they just make game systems region free and make them all in Japanese, English, French and maybe some other crappy language of a country that won't conform to these languages and give us all the same release date. My God!

[The Mutericator]

It's probably because of the association people still have with the brands.
It's like...me making a video of me diving in a pool of jello. Which is of course, an awesome idea.
Now, what happens if in this awesome idea, we replace me for "sexy naked super model"?
Ya know where I'm going with this ;)

Oh, God, stop talking. xD

[Bigfoot]

I have this theory, and it's kind of funny because at work when I was thinking about it my friend mentioned it as well.


I think Nintendo is going to come out with their "powerful system" a few years down the road. Their making such good sales/profit already with the Wii, so they could easily afford to make a system to compete with the 360/PS3 graphically wise. Since it's a few years ahead of the PS3 and 360, it'll probably be better(graphics wise).

*shrug* I know this won't happen, but it would be kind of cool. I mean, as soon as the Gamecube was released they were working on the Wii, so who knows?

[chrono26]

i think nintendo most definitely has the resources and ability to make their own "power system" and that they eventually will. but for right not they're focused on gameplay. when they do finally show us some out of this world graphics and sound and such, i think its going to be in a way that we've never experienced or imagined. it's not gonna be realistic graphics just because it looks cool, its going to somehow have a huge impact on the whole gaming experience. and we're going to wonder why games wernt like that from the start. thats what nintendo is all about.

[SilverStar]

Considering Nintendo's global profit for last year was north of 8 Billion dollars, I'd say.. yeah, Nintendo has the money to fund such a project.

Would it have graphics superior to X360 or PS3? Not if you want to pay a reasonable price.

I do, however, think Nintendo is working to pump out some heavy numbers of units, to get the price down even more so they can start issuing more price drops, sooner(Wal-mart in Canada apparently has dropped the price of the Wii by $50CAD).

What I wouldn't mind seeing, as strange and wonderful as it may be, is some sort of.. add-on unit for the system itself, sort of like a larger bay that the Wii can slip into, to extend the functionality of the system by leaps and bounds.. unfortunately, this is just one system that wasn't designed with any useful ports, unless those USB ports are really ultra high bandwidth ports in disguise.

[Bigfoot]

But if you think about, in a couple years, to match the graphics of the PS3 or 360 will probably be cheaper to achieve. I mean, I bought myself an X800 XL video card maybe a year and a half ago for $150. I just recently purchased a Radeon X1950 Pro for the same price, and it very much more powerful than my previous card.

Then again, this is the gaming console industry where stuff sometimes tends to be somewhat inflated. Like Microsoft seems to think their 120gig Hard Drive costs $180 and claims that "a 120 gig self-powered external PC drive and in that case we are seeing those retail at anywhere from $160 to $200 for comparable laptop sized external hard drives."

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5119&Itemid=2

[watkinzez]

Nintendo are really starting to annoy me now. http://kotaku.com/gaming/super-paper-mario/super-paper-mario-gets-pal-delay-249810.php

rofl. A game that's probably been done since Christmas, too.
Oh well, more money to go towards my 360.

[Fire in the Hole]

Like Microsoft seems to think their 120gig Hard Drive costs $180 and claims that "a 120 gig self-powered external PC drive and in that case we are seeing those retail at anywhere from $160 to $200 for comparable laptop sized external hard drives."

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5119&Itemid=2

The only part of that that doesn't sound like complete nonsensical bullshit is the last part about consistency in prices. They do charge $100 for the 20GB drive still, right?

[SilverStar]

But if you think about, in a couple years, to match the graphics of the PS3 or 360 will probably be cheaper to achieve. I mean, I bought myself an X800 XL video card maybe a year and a half ago for $150. I just recently purchased a Radeon X1950 Pro for the same price, and it very much more powerful than my previous card.

Then again, this is the gaming console industry where stuff sometimes tends to be somewhat inflated. Like Microsoft seems to think their 120gig Hard Drive costs $180 and claims that "a 120 gig self-powered external PC drive and in that case we are seeing those retail at anywhere from $160 to $200 for comparable laptop sized external hard drives."

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5119&Itemid=2

You bought your X800 at the tail end of when that line was still new, though. Last Feb, I bought an X1600 Pro 512, for barely any. In 8-9 months, I'll be able to get the X1950 AGP for the same price, because the next generation of ATi cards will be out and mainstream.

Video processor generations are ~18 months. It tends to take 2 generations for the common value edition(EG, the X1600) to be as powerful as the flagship of past generations(X1600 is as powerful, or more so, from a raw numbers standpoint, as a 9800 was, when it was new).

The X2600, which will be the core value edition, will probably be in the ~$250 or less range when it launches, and will be as powerful as your X800, plus some extra, very useful features for modern gaming.

The PS3 has somewhere between the X1800/7800 and the X2800/8800 range for video power. 360 has the 2800/8800 class already.

It'll take 3 years for those premium class graphics, to come down in price enough to be affordable. But in 4 1/2 years, around time of the next generation, they would be very much value priced, and still powerful enough to make games not look like crap, in comparison. Plus new tricks, to squeeze extra fireworks out of them.

[KakTheInfected]

I haven't thought about any console as a visual powerhouse since PC gaming took me over in like 2003. I get the whole HD thing and playing on your TV, but with any decent video card you can do the same. Hell, you could use a 360 joypad if you wanted to, but why someone would want to give up mouse and keyboard control is beyond me.

If Nintendo releases a console in the future that just pushes graphics, I'll have to pass on it. Consoles are becoming more and more irrelevant when they just try to copy PCs.

[Hector]

Even a PS3 is still far cheaper than a gaming PC.

As to Nintendo's next console pushing graphics--graphics are rather easy to figure out, you just try to figure out what the technology of the day can give you over what you presently have. Nintendo's stabbed themselves in the foot for their next console because of the Wii. Nintendo has decided to make their reputation based upon innovation, and they are not going to be associated very much with high-end graphics when the Wii is finished. This means that even if Nintendo's next console is up to or even beyond par powerwise, the Big N would still need some innovation similar to what Wii brought or be put at a severe marketing disadvantage.

[Ray Falling]

Even a PS3 is still far cheaper than a gaming PC.

As to Nintendo's next console pushing graphics--graphics are rather easy to figure out, you just try to figure out what the technology of the day can give you over what you presently have. Nintendo's stabbed themselves in the foot for their next console because of the Wii. Nintendo has decided to make their reputation based upon innovation, and they are not going to be associated very much with high-end graphics when the Wii is finished. This means that even if Nintendo's next console is up to or even beyond par powerwise, the Big N would still need some innovation similar to what Wii brought or be put at a severe marketing disadvantage.

One thing is for sure: Nintendo can't go back to regular controllers and have PS3-like graphics on their next console.
If there's even gonna be one.

Like you say, they'll have to keep innovating to stay in the market. Which worries me.
I wouldn't mind getting a Wii 2 if it's like what we have now but with the powerful graphics.
They don't even need expensive hardware for that; look at what Cube could do for games like Metroid and from what I keep hearing RE4, just to name 2.

Personally I don't see a great future for the game industry. At least not a future I'd want to be part of. As far as I'm concerned this will be the last generation of games I'll play.
Of course at this point such a statement is a bit silly; we'll see what happens in the next 5 years. :)

[SilverStar]

One thing is for sure: Nintendo can't go back to regular controllers and have PS3-like graphics on their next console.
If there's even gonna be one.

Like you say, they'll have to keep innovating to stay in the market. Which worries me.
I wouldn't mind getting a Wii 2 if it's like what we have now but with the powerful graphics.
They don't even need expensive hardware for that; look at what Cube could do for games like Metroid and from what I keep hearing RE4, just to name 2.

Personally I don't see a great future for the game industry. At least not a future I'd want to be part of. As far as I'm concerned this will be the last generation of games I'll play.
Of course at this point such a statement is a bit silly; we'll see what happens in the next 5 years. :)

Nintendo's next console will be Wii++. It'll have a lot more power, it'll have all the features people expect, and it'll be a refinement to near perfection on the Wii control method. It won't be the ON, but it should easily rival the PS3 on every front, on top of having its own special goodies.

There's not really any major technology revolution coming over the next 10 years, so there's nothing Nintendo will have to really worry about working in. In 15 years, we might have plasma holographics to contend with, which may become a viable alternative to video displays of current, but otherwise that's when we'll see the next major shift in gaming, no matter who it's led by.

Look back on the industry. It's always been about incrementing the existing, and trying something new every 2 generations or so. With a standard gaming generation being ~5 years, we have one more after this one for them to work out all the bugs(As it is, MS is in the lead, because they came late and started early with theirs, improving the Live service to an incredible amount on the 360). Next generation won't be anything really major, but after that we'll see the next big shift. Which, if it doesn't happen before then, should be an all-digital event. No more hard media, no more sold-out titles, and no more inaccurate sales data for software. We'll see everything working purely online, with our consoles acting as a gateway, instead of as a hub, or a unit.

[Penfold]

No offense, cuz I like to dream as much as the next guy, but why are people talking about the next console from Nintendo when the newest one isn't even a year old yet?

[Bahamut]

No offense, cuz I like to dream as much as the next guy, but why are people talking about the next console from Nintendo when the newest one isn't even a year old yet?

Cause some people are graphics whores at heart but want it on a Nintendo console?

[HideousBeing]

This isn't exactly the right place for this, but I shouldn't create a new thread to ask this. My sister just walked in my room and began to ask me a question about Super Mario World. I prepared to shoot an answer right back at her, like I always have since she showed an interest in gaming. This time though, she asks, "(HideousBeing), on the world map, how come some of the level spaces are big, and the other ones are small?" Needless to say, I could not answer. I never let my sister down, so I'm asking any Super Mario World players: Is there a reason for this size difference? Thanks for any help in advance.

[Red Shadow]

if you notice, the large levels are red

all the red levels have multiple paths

why they made a select few with larger spaces in specific though i have no idea

[HideousBeing]

if you notice, the large levels are red

all the red levels have multiple paths

why they made a select few with larger spaces in specific though i have no ideaReally? You mean there are no yellow colored large levels?

[Power Surge]

Really? You mean there are no yellow colored large levels?
I know Vanilla Dome has at least one level marked with a large yellow dot. I don't know what the difference is between big-dot levels and small-dot levels, though.

[Antipode]

Red means it has multiple exits - I'm pretty sure that the small red dot means 2 exits while the large one, which as you mentioned is in Vanilla Dome, has 3 exits.

Pretty sure.

[Power Surge]

Red means it has multiple exits - I'm pretty sure that the small red dot means 2 exits while the large one, which as you mentioned is in Vanilla Dome, has 3 exits.

Pretty sure.
The underground scrolling level in Donut Plains has 3 exits, but it's shown as a small red dot. It's the same with the Cheese Bridge level (main exit + hidden exit + Yoshi wings). Also, each level opens either 1 or 2 paths when completed.

[Pi_R_[]ed]

It'd be cool to start seeing games you can buy completely online, but there's a pride that comes with being able to stack up boxes, and show them off like that. But it's the future of consoles that worry me the most. Yeah, we can acheive amazing graphics. And today, with online play, motion controls, and services that aren't even game-related, consoles are doing more than ever. But where do we go from here? Virtual Reality has always worried me, I have a general distrust towards that technology. Partly from fear. If we hit that, then we'll have truly fufilled the goals set by so many dreamers years ago. But... then what? I mean, there's literally nothing left. A scary thought.



Wii Question: If I want to convert a video to play it off of my SD card on my wii, what should I set it as? I know it needs to be .mov, with a resolution smaller than 848x480, but what specific settings does it need? Hope someone knows...

[Mr.Roboto]

http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/230095b.jpg

Release Date: 6/25
Price: $29.99

Features:

* Wii-mote Action! – Moving the Wii-mote allows players to aim weapons, slash with the knife, control action sequences and much more.
* Award-winning gameplay –RE4 has won multiple Game of the Year awards.
* Unsurpassed Visuals – Resident Evil 4 features breathtaking 3D graphics and effects!
* Behind the Camera View – Camera follows you from behind and allows for intuitive movement.
* Advanced AI – Enemies use their cunning abilities to team up and attack the player en mass.
* “Separate Ways” – Play as Ada Wong in five new chapters that reveal startling insight into the original storyline!
* Supports true 16:9 widescreen and Dolby Pro Logic II.

Hmm..I want to purchase simply because of the action sequences.Knife fight with Krauser.Yessss...Could be quite epic.

[chrono26]

Price: $29.99



sold! :-)

[bouncerboy15]

The only thing I want to try out on the Wii edition is Separate Ways. However, I might hold off on it until it's at $19.99, since I already own the GameCube version.

[Antipode]

Now I'm glad I never played/bought the GC version. Sweet deal.

Incidentally, since I'm a big fan of both Metal Slug games and Paper Mario games, which would you recommend I get (between MSA and SPM)?

Also, I'll probably be sold on Umbrella Chronicles. On-rails shooter action on wii sounds great to me.

[bouncerboy15]

Now I'm glad I never played/bought the GC version. Sweet deal.

Incidentally, since I'm a big fan of both Metal Slug games and Paper Mario games, which would you recommend I get (between MSA and SPM)?

Also, I'll probably be sold on Umbrella Chronicles. On-rails shooter action on wii sounds great to me.
I'd say SPM, since I heard some bad stuff about the controls on the Wii version of MSA. And yeah, I'll probably end up buying Umbrella Chronicles.

[Power Surge]

I already have RE4 for GCN, but I'm tempted to get the Wii version when it comes out. Along with the features already mentioned, it will also have the added extras from the PS2 version (link (http://kotaku.com/gaming/resident-evil-4-wii-edition/capcom-confirms-resident-evil-4-wii-for-summer-umbrella-chronicles-after-that-250473.php)) Plus, I don't like having a game stored on 2 discs instead of just one like it should've been from the start.

If the graphics will be on par with the GCN version, then I'll definitely get it. I could trade in my GCN copy towards this purchase.

[Hector]

I'm a bit disapointed that as to new content, they aren't adding in a mode more difficult than professional. Though I'd be curious if they were explanding any of the chapters or adding a couple bosses.

I'm also a bit worried about how they're changing the knife control. I was nearing mastery with the knife on the GC version and am a bit worried about it being controlled by the nunchuck.

The real benifit though, will probably come in the unique dodges they make you do. Instead of the six inputs (R, L, R&L, A&B, rapid A, rapid B), they could have some truly unique inputs.

[Fire in the Hole]

Incidentally, since I'm a big fan of both Metal Slug games and Paper Mario games, which would you recommend I get (between MSA and SPM)?

Definitely get Super Paper Mario, but because it looks to be one of the best exclusive titles to hit Wii yet, not because of the controls on Metal Slug Anthology (which are, IMO, fine). If you have more cash at a later date and nothing like Prime 3 or Brawl itching to be bought, go ahead and grab the Anthology as well.

[Merk]

North American Virtual Console releases today:

Galaga (NES) - First game I played on my PlayStation, since it was the loading screen for RIIIIIIIDGE RACER
Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle (GEN) - The only Alex Kidd game we'll get on VC, unless they release master system games
Bravoman (T16) - If Parodius were a platformer

[SoloGamer]

ed;256079']Wii Question: If I want to convert a video to play it off of my SD card on my wii, what should I set it as? I know it needs to be .mov, with a resolution smaller than 848x480, but what specific settings does it need? Hope someone knows...

I just use Wii Video 9 (http://www.redkawa.com/videoconverters/wiivideo9/)

[Mr.Roboto]

Aww..Fuck it. (http://www.thewiicast.com/2007/04/sadness-loses-its-publisher.html)

Sadness lost its Punlishing Partner..its now officially Vaporware..I truly wanted to see where it was going too.

[supremespleen]

Aww..Fuck it. (http://www.thewiicast.com/2007/04/sadness-loses-its-publisher.html)

Sadness lost its Punlishing Partner..its now officially Vaporware..I truly wanted to see where it was going too.Nooooo. That sucks so much.

[The Mutericator]

Aww..Fuck it. (http://www.thewiicast.com/2007/04/sadness-loses-its-publisher.html)

Sadness lost its Punlishing Partner..its now officially Vaporware..I truly wanted to see where it was going too.

Saw this coming from miles away.

[Zombie]

Damnit. I was really looking forward to Sadness... that sucks. Aw well, we still have plenty of great games to come.

Wasn't Super Paper Mario released today? I really want it, but have no extra money for any games at the moment. :(

[JoeFu]

Rofl at sadness. I didn't really expect anything out of Nibris. The ONLY thing they have done was put up a video of Raid over the River and some screen shots of this pang wanna-be game that they are co-developing or something.

Sadness was probably never going to come out in the first place. We saw nothing from that game other than 2 pr shots and some girl running around in a dress.

ANYWAYS!!!!!!!!

Anybody lucky enough to pick up SPM today? Sadly Gamestop doesn't get it in until tomorrow so tomorrow will be awesome.

[KakTheInfected]

It seems a lot of places aren't selling it today...

[atmuh]

its the freaking ship date
I work at a place
never comes in on ship date

[SilverStar]

Don't forget.. it's also Easter Monday. a lot of places don't do shit today, because they take it as an excuse to have a 4 day weekend.

[Rambo]

I'm heading to stores early tomorrow... probably in vain. I still can't pick up Wii points, Wii Play or even a controller anywhere in the city. (out of stock EVERYWHERE) I'm getting pretty impatient.

[Bigfoot]

I could have bought it, but I know I wouldn't be doing my homework right now if I did :P I'm picking it up tomorrow after school. We have 44 copies, so I'm sure there's enough.

[SilverStar]

I put my order in through Blockbuster, on thursday. Since their shipments only come in on wednesday or thursday, I'll have to wait until then to get my game.

Damn the game industry for not pre-shipping more of their titles.

[Penfold]

Ordered Super Paper Mario from Gamestop...and I didn't realize when I ordered it, but it shipped to an old address (my parent's house actually) so while it will arrive today, I won't even see it till Friday lol. Ah well.

[Rambo]

Woo! 90 copies at a store nearby!
And onto the road i get!

[Antipode]

I'm gonna wait awhile on this game. Got to finish Zelda while I work up the money.

[Dexie]

On the other hand, it looks like Nintendo is firing all guns, trying to hit the market with -everything- they have, in the first 12-18 months. Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, Metroid.. even other, surprisingly popular franchises are being pulled out of retirement. Will Nintendo have anything left, come spring '09? Or is that when we'll see Nintendo start pumping out original IPs, like they attempted with Pikmin?

Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Star Fox, F-Zero, maybe a new Kirby title, Pikmin...I have a feeling all of those will be Wii titles for '08, as well as the yearly Mario Party and Mario Golf/Tennis/Whatever games...

...that's most of their big IPs, so what does '09 have to offer? A revival of Kid Icarus is pretty likely, at this point...Punch-Out, maybe?

I have a feeling that '09 is going to be a bit of a drought for the Wii, myself, as far as first party titles go. Just a weird feeling, I guess. Hopefully though, we'll see a ton of awesome third party stuff out then.

[SilverStar]

Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Star Fox, F-Zero, maybe a new Kirby title, Pikmin...I have a feeling all of those will be Wii titles for '08, as well as the yearly Mario Party and Mario Golf/Tennis/Whatever games...

...that's most of their big IPs, so what does '09 have to offer? A revival of Kid Icarus is pretty likely, at this point...Punch-Out, maybe?

I have a feeling that '09 is going to be a bit of a drought for the Wii, myself, as far as first party titles go. Just a weird feeling, I guess. Hopefully though, we'll see a ton of awesome third party stuff out then.

Maybe for '09, we'll see sequels to first-gen Wii titles, from Nintndo? A new Metroid game, outside the Prime saga, maybe Super Paper Mario World, then we have another Zelda game to look forward to..

For some reason, I actually want to see sequels of good games, on Wii. There's no real reason to only have one installment of a major franchise, if they can actually make it good.

[Penfold]

Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Star Fox, F-Zero, maybe a new Kirby title, Pikmin...I have a feeling all of those will be Wii titles for '08, as well as the yearly Mario Party and Mario Golf/Tennis/Whatever games...

...that's most of their big IPs, so what does '09 have to offer? A revival of Kid Icarus is pretty likely, at this point...Punch-Out, maybe?

I have a feeling that '09 is going to be a bit of a drought for the Wii, myself, as far as first party titles go. Just a weird feeling, I guess. Hopefully though, we'll see a ton of awesome third party stuff out then.

I disagree. I think Nintendo is going to be careful, as they have been so far, and very cautiously meter when games come out. I think between big releases (which will have ample space between them), they'll release smaller titles but make sure there's news of another big game to look forward to on the horizon. Seems to me that's what we've seen so far. Anyway, personally, I'm not gonna worry about '09 when it's not even half-way through '07 and we have no idea what the release schedule for the rest of the year (let alone next yr) will be like.

[Bigfoot]

SPM is pretty.

[JoeFu]

I think we are going to start seeing more wii games later this year. Initial support was pretty crappy and now that most third parties have already released their support they announced at e3.

With the Wii selling like crazy, it would be stupid for most developers to ignore it. Also, EA has admitted they thought the wii wasn't going to be this successfull. Stuff like the Godfather was made in like 8 months. As we have seen, EA is even going to make new IP for the wii, which is pretty cool.

[Zup]

Well, after seeing some Super Paper Mario reviews, I figured it was time to buy it. So I did. From Amazon.com (which gets it in the 13th), for only $45 (free shipping). I dunno about you guys, but new games for anything below $50 is pretty amazing by my standards.

[supremespleen]

I was thinking it would be cool to see a Zelda game that is more focused on action than puzzles.

[Fire in the Hole]

Super Paper Mario just sitting next to my Wii makes me sad because I have too much work to catch up on to play it yet. Oh dear does it look good though.

[Red Shadow]

the music in chapter two is the greatest thing i have EVER heard

[watkinzez]

the music in chapter two is the greatest thing i have EVER heard

Thank goodness. I knew IGN was full of bullshit when they said the soundtrack was nothing special. Thousand Year Door's was awesome!

[Antipode]

Great - yeah, I loved thousand year door's soundtrack. I look forward to this, then.

[SilverStar]

It's kinda funny, just how amazingly high the reviews are for this game. Everything I've seen for it have shown that, honestly, it's nothing that couldn't have been done on the N64.. perhaps even as early as the SNES. Yet it's standing toe to toe with anything Sony and MS are throwing out, as their AAA quality titles.

This makes me happy.

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, the game is very smooth. It's nice. The D-pad could work a little better going diagonal though.

[Red Shadow]

god damn these rubees

[atmuh]

the game is solid, I must admit
and I can say
FINALLY!!!!!!!

and yeah the music freaking rocks

[Power Surge]

Change of pace: according to Nibris, Sadness is still in development (http://kotaku.com/gaming/sadness/sadness-still-in-development-251266.php) and an official statement will be released later this week.

I'm keeping my expectations low, just in case.

[JoeFu]

I'm thinking Sadness will be the suckiest game ever, but I'll rent it just for fun IF it comes out.

[Fire in the Hole]

Super Paper Mario is by far one of the greatest things I've played in a while. While it doesn't match Twilight Princess' sheer awesome factor, it more than makes up for it in a higher quantity of pure fun. I cannot stop laughing at so much of the dialogue and quirks in this game. The ratio of time I spend laughing to not is almost on par with the best episodes of The Office (UK or US).

To whoever said it's nothing that couldn't have been done on the N64 or SNES, bullshit. If it were tried, it wouldn't be half the game it is. The Wiimote is used to point at objects in order to investigate them, get hints and even find hidden things like doors, and it's a completely natural move to switch from normal sideways control to pointing and back. I find myself doing this frequently just for the hell of it, to see if I'm missing anything (much lke the feature flip maneuver itself). Then there are action moments like shaking the Wiimote to get out of being frozen, which is by far more enjoyable than, say, repeatedly pushing a button. Plus, this game looks bloody amazing in context of the artistic style. The colors are extremely vibrant and fluid and there's even some decent texture work put in to the landspaces. And yes, the music is superb (although the stuff in Chapter 1's desert is starting to grate after sitting on for five minutes straight).

Anyone who does not pick this up is missing out.

[chrono26]

Anyone who does not pick this up is missing out.

:-( why do i have to be poor....

[linkspast]

:-( why do i have to be poor....
You dont have to be. No one says "Hey you be poor"

[Penfold]

Super Paper Mario is by far one of the greatest things I've played in a while. While it doesn't match Twilight Princess' sheer awesome factor, it more than makes up for it in a higher quantity of pure fun. I cannot stop laughing at so much of the dialogue and quirks in this game. The ratio of time I spend laughing to not is almost on par with the best episodes of The Office (UK or US).

To whoever said it's nothing that couldn't have been done on the N64 or SNES, bullshit. If it were tried, it wouldn't be half the game it is. The Wiimote is used to point at objects in order to investigate them, get hints and even find hidden things like doors, and it's a completely natural move to switch from normal sideways control to pointing and back. I find myself doing this frequently just for the hell of it, to see if I'm missing anything (much lke the feature flip maneuver itself). Then there are action moments like shaking the Wiimote to get out of being frozen, which is by far more enjoyable than, say, repeatedly pushing a button. Plus, this game looks bloody amazing in context of the artistic style. The colors are extremely vibrant and fluid and there's even some decent texture work put in to the landspaces. And yes, the music is superb (although the stuff in Chapter 1's desert is starting to grate after sitting on for five minutes straight).

Anyone who does not pick this up is missing out.

Can't wait to play it! Only a couple more days...

[Ray Falling]

;_; I want paper mario but there's no bloody release date for Europe ;_;

[KakTheInfected]

;_; I want paper mario but there's no bloody release date for Europe ;_;

If it makes you feel any better, the game is awesome.

[Ray Falling]

If it makes you feel any better, the game is awesome.

Many games are awesome but I still have to wait for them ;_; Them being awesome only makes the waiting harder :)

Knowing me I'll finish any game in two days anyway and feel bad afterwards *sigh*

[SilverStar]

Super Paper Mario is by far one of the greatest things I've played in a while. While it doesn't match Twilight Princess' sheer awesome factor, it more than makes up for it in a higher quantity of pure fun. I cannot stop laughing at so much of the dialogue and quirks in this game. The ratio of time I spend laughing to not is almost on par with the best episodes of The Office (UK or US).

To whoever said it's nothing that couldn't have been done on the N64 or SNES, bullshit. If it were tried, it wouldn't be half the game it is. The Wiimote is used to point at objects in order to investigate them, get hints and even find hidden things like doors, and it's a completely natural move to switch from normal sideways control to pointing and back. I find myself doing this frequently just for the hell of it, to see if I'm missing anything (much lke the feature flip maneuver itself). Then there are action moments like shaking the Wiimote to get out of being frozen, which is by far more enjoyable than, say, repeatedly pushing a button. Plus, this game looks bloody amazing in context of the artistic style. The colors are extremely vibrant and fluid and there's even some decent texture work put in to the landspaces. And yes, the music is superb (although the stuff in Chapter 1's desert is starting to grate after sitting on for five minutes straight).

Anyone who does not pick this up is missing out.

Problem is, it was originally designed to be for the Gamecube, so any pointer/motion controls in there, were in fact tacked on at a later date, meaning that everything else in the game itself, could quite easily and readily be done on the SNES. The game itself doesn't actually try to do anything particularly amazing, graphics wise.

There's nothing in the graphics, the sound, the AI, or pretty much everything else, that couldn't have been done on the SNES. But, again, this is -not- a bad thing.

[KakTheInfected]

Many games are awesome but I still have to wait for them ;_; Them being awesome only makes the waiting harder :)

Knowing me I'll finish any game in two days anyway and feel bad afterwards *sigh*

Well don't feel too bad. You get Strikers before we do and I really want to play that.

[SilverStar]

http://www.nintendorevolution.ca/04112007/16/nintendo_wii_smokes_ps3_3rd_biggest_week_since_lau nch

So.. looks like Wii, that 6 month old fad of a system, managed to outsell even the great monster that is the PS3, during easter week, in the UK. By close to 50%.

And I really don't think Sony can blame it on lack of units, this time.

Really, it must hurt to be a realist, in Sony HQ. At least they still have their movies to make money on!

[Fire in the Hole]

Problem is, it was originally designed to be for the Gamecube, so any pointer/motion controls in there, were in fact tacked on at a later date, meaning that everything else in the game itself, could quite easily and readily be done on the SNES. The game itself doesn't actually try to do anything particularly amazing, graphics wise.

There's nothing in the graphics, the sound, the AI, or pretty much everything else, that couldn't have been done on the SNES. But, again, this is -not- a bad thing.

Unlike Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario was not in development for a year or more before being transferred to the Wii. Consequently there are actual linear portions of the game (finding hidden doors to progress) that rely on Wiimote control, as opposed to Twilight Princess where there are no differences in the linear progression of the game from the Gamecube to the Wii. To ignore this because it's something that was a result of change "at a later date" is, frankly, ridiculous. The simple fact is the core of the game would not be the same on another system.

Also, you either have not played, heard, or even investigated this game, or you have some extremely awful delusions about the power and capabilities of the SNES. I would seriously like to see you come up with a way to pull off some of the sheerly impressive graphical tidbits in this game on a 16-bit console, or recreate the music in MIDI with outdated output channels. What a ridiculous, ignorant claim.

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, that SNES statement is indeed pretty dumb. It's hard to tell from game-play videos, but SPM is very crisp and smooth. It's not breathtaking or anything, sure, but it still looks great.

[JoeFu]

Omfg, the Nerr2babe thing was the funniest thing ever.

[KakTheInfected]

Omfg, the Nerr2babe thing was the funniest thing ever.

MY GRAPHICS CARD!

[JoeFu]

it was totally unexpected, i mean wtf a japanese dating sim. ROFL.

[The Mutericator]

Maybe for '09, we'll see sequels to first-gen Wii titles, from Nintndo? A new Metroid game, outside the Prime saga, maybe Super Paper Mario World, then we have another Zelda game to look forward to..

For some reason, I actually want to see sequels of good games, on Wii. There's no real reason to only have one installment of a major franchise, if they can actually make it good.

Personally, I really want to see what Retro Studios will do once they finish the Prime trilogy. They certainly have talent, and I'd like to see what IP's they can come up with on their own.

[JoeFu]

Opera Browser final release is out.

[TCK]

Quick question, is Super Paper Mario actually Super Paper Mario or should it be called Paper Super Mario?

[JoeFu]

It's still a Paper Mario game, but with some Super Mario thrown into it. The game is great.

It's not as much as an RPG as it was before, but it's not really a platformer. I guess the best way to describe it is an adventure/platforming/rpg.

[Soma]

I had forgotten about it until today but a few weekends ago my friends and I were playing some Wii sports Tennis. My friend (casual gamer though he did beat LoZ :Tp on GCN) kept doing really exaggerated movements and we tried to explain it to him that it doesn't take much to swing. So i serve him a ball and he tries to spike it literally. (We're all sitting down by the way.) and amazingly he hits the bottom of the Wii mote on the ground (tile floors) he cracks the battery cover, it was hilarious. Of Course he didn't have the strap on so it could have been much worse. But it was just kind of funny to watch, it has to be the most retarded wii mote accident that I've witnessed.

[SilverStar]

Opera Browser final release is out.

About damn time. *yoinks*

Firmware is also updated to 2.2, FWIW. Be nice if Nintendo started offering new goodies with their firmware updates, instead of just invisible fixes. Or a list of what it might have improved, somewhere..

[Bigfoot]

Nintendo to bring us a new 2d Metroid on the Wii using the classic controller, please. Thanks.

[KakTheInfected]

Hmm my lovely blue light isn't showing...does Nintendo ever plan on using this thing?

[SilverStar]

Nintendo to bring us a new 2d Metroid on the Wii using the classic controller, please. Thanks.

I would still like to see it be 2.5D, using 3D models in a 2D environment. And maybe use the remote at some point.. I think it'd make for a very good implementation of the X-ray visor, so you can actually have the X-ray on, while moving, and still look as you need to.

Then again.. much as I do hate games that over-use the pointer function, in a sidescroller to provide fine control of where she's aiming, it could also be useful. Run one way, fire in another, and use a homing beam or something, as one of the weapons, to snake it into places.

[KakTheInfected]

I couldn't care less if we get another 2D Metroid now. Fusion and Zero Mission weren't bad, but I'm gonna be terribly disappointed everytime I play a 2D Metroid and it's not as good or better than Super Metroid (and that's just not gonna happen).

[Bigfoot]

There's only one explanation for that. No more Gunpei Yokoi :[

[KakTheInfected]

Wow, the new browser is pretty sweet.

[JoeFu]

:(

Well, I thought MZM was very metroidy. I hope they make some more 2d ones in the future.

[SilverStar]

Wow, the new browser is pretty sweet.

The text doesn't show up too well, on my setup. But, that's because 480i/widescreen doesn't really scale all too well, to 1440x900. Blurry, blurry, blurry!

[Antipode]

Yeah actually I think that if they made a high-quality 3D metroid game for Wii that was sidescrolling it could actually turn out to be really nice. Anyway, going to get browser right now.

EDIT FROM WII BROWSER: Well, this is definitely pretty sweet. The scrolling noise got old really fast, but I'll get used to it. Also I would have liked to see the implementation of a history bar - but whatever. Otherwise it's fine. They fixed a lot of annoying issues from the beta.

[KakTheInfected]

Could be wrong but wasn't this version of the browser supposed to let you change your cursor settings? Like make it smaller and whatnot? Maybe I'm blind but I haven't found it yet.

[The Mutericator]

It's still a Paper Mario game, but with some Super Mario thrown into it. The game is great.

It's not as much as an RPG as it was before, but it's not really a platformer. I guess the best way to describe it is an adventure/platforming/rpg.

My three favorite genres rolled into one? Sounds awesome. I'm gonna have to get it when I go home for summer.

[Fire in the Hole]

Where is my tabbed browsing? Srsly.

[Merk]

Wow, zoom all the way out on a page here that has a lot of replies.

[supremespleen]

I'm consistently getting the 051340 error. I use a USB connector to get online. Any ideas on how to fix this?

[SilverStar]

Could be your firewall. Sounds like a general "Cannot connect to host" type error. I used to get it a lot, yet for some reason my router's settled down and is all too happy to let my Wii through, now.

[HideousBeing]

I am posting this from the new Web browser right now, and man is it sweet. Rather a pain to type though. This took me two minutes to write, lol.:mrgreen:

[Kitsuta]

I am posting this from the new Web browser right now, and man is it sweet. Rather a pain to type though. This took me two minutes to write, lol.:mrgreen:

Cue keyboard attachment for the Wiimote.

I guess this is why my Wii was glowing blue all day today, though.

[Dark Chocobo]

I guess this is why my Wii was glowing blue all day today, though.

Bow chicka bow wow!

Sorry, that joke's probably been made about six billion times by now.

[Kitsuta]

Bow chicka bow wow!

Sorry, that joke's probably been made about six billion times by now.

Yes.

I'm renting Elebits. It's pretty good. Not quite as fun as rolling up houses and screaming people, though.

[Dark Chocobo]

Katamari hoo hah.

In other news, I've been tasked to find a Wii for my cousins, which at this point is like trying to find Atlantis. Anyone having any information that could help me out? Advance circulars I can check, shipment stuff, anything?

For reference, I live around New Orleans.

[SilverStar]

Sunday mornings. Always sunday mornings. Call toys'r'us and the like and ask if they're expecting to have any Wii for sunday morning, when most of them put their shipments out.

[Bahamut]

Best Buy, Target, and Circuit City also put the notices a week in advance if they're selling Wiis - best place to scope that out is on cheapassgamer.com, since someone always posts them every week, and in advance.

[KakTheInfected]

I really wish we'd start to hear more about Battalion Wars 2. They really seem to be pushing the online in that game.

[chrono26]

i put 2 targets and 3 walmarts on speed dial after i gave my first wii (that i standed in line for 5 hours for on launch day) to my brother. got another in like a week. just call em' up man.

[Antipode]

Like a month ago I called circuit city on a Saturday night. "Yeah, we got 15." I arrived two hours before the store opened on Sunday morning, got a voucher, came back later, and snagged one. So that's how I wound up with mine.

[atmuh]

I really wish we'd start to hear more about Battalion Wars 2. They really seem to be pushing the online in that game.

I'd like to hear about online itself first.

[SilverStar]

It's sick, how after 6 months, you still have to either be really lucky, or stand in line to wait for the store to open, to snag one in most cases. By this point, even the 360 started easing up their production woes.

[Ray Falling]

I just went out to see if there're any new games out and I decided to pick up Heatseeker.
Big mistake T__T. I only played for like 15 minutes but I can already tell it's crap.
What was I thinking anyway?

The controls are the worst ever. I know I should probably give it more time but any other game you adjust to in like 5 seconds.
The game looks horrible too. Almost worse than Psone games. This alone is enough for me to not be able to enjoy it at all.

*sigh* I'll save you the angry rant on why I think games are so bad these days and that the only time you'll know you're getting quality is when it's made BY Nintendo itself, and just exchange it for something else.

of course there aren't any other good games out so I may have to get Prince of Persia then ;_; I hope that will at least offer some entertainment.

Screw this! I'm sick of games!

[Solid Krono]

Damn. I was kind of hoping the game would be good. Oh well, one more game I won't be getting now...

[Penfold]

DK Bongo Blast is now confirmed for Wii (though we already pretty much knew that anyway) (http://wii.ign.com/articles/780/780320p1.html). Apparently changed so instead of bongos, you use the wiimote/nunchuk. Oh well :???: (not really a bad thing it used the wiimote/nunchuk now, though I was really hoping for at least one last game to use the bongos).

[Ray Falling]

Damn. I was kind of hoping the game would be good. Oh well, one more game I won't be getting now...

I had high expectations myself and I really wanted a good flight game.
Perhaps you could still rent it and give it more time than I did.
But I think most people will agree that if a game has bad controls it'll not be very enjoyable.

I've played the first two levels and the difference between the planes I flown was so redicilously big that I could hardly even keep the plane in the air, let alone steer it properly. It just doesn't work for me ;_;


EDIT: As for Donkey Kong: *sigh* You know I really wished they'd just make him star in his own (2D) platform game again. Anyway; it's not that I think the novelty of the wii-mote wore off, I just think it's not used properly in a lot of games yet. Thankfully this DK game is by Nintendo so I'm sure they'll be much better than say...Heatseeker's T__T.
But still, this whole motion-control deal is walking on a thin line...

[JoeFu]

http://www.capcom.co.jp/wii_bio4/index.html

Super awesome RE4:Wii version trailer. Omfg it's hilarious.

[atmuh]

nintendo is wasting donkey kong on some crappy gimmic
sure its fun but DONT FREAKING WASTE DONKEY KONG ON THAT

[Penfold]

http://www.capcom.co.jp/wii_bio4/index.html

Super awesome RE4:Wii version trailer. Omfg it's hilarious.

lol yeah, that's really funny.

[SilverStar]

Sheesh. Poor Sony. the PS3 just -barely- outsold the PS2 last week in Japan, according to the latest numbers. Meanwhile, it takes pretty much all other hardware to overcome the DS there.

And then we get Pokemon over here shortly. They might as well start selling DS Lites in hospital maternity wards, at this rate. :P

[chrono26]

http://www.capcom.co.jp/wii_bio4/index.html

Super awesome RE4:Wii version trailer. Omfg it's hilarious.

lmao why does it have to be sooo cheesy? the chainsaw guy should've came at the end and cut the guy's head off.

[Dark Chocobo]

Actually, that would be pretty cool.

I might pick this up, as I never got a chance to grab the GCN version. My video game playing is still dominated by my parents, but I'm going to college next semester, so I can gain freedom and pick up stuff like Assassin's Creed, Crysis, and RE 4.

[Penfold]

So I was checking out the gameplay vid and trailer (different one than on Capcom's site btw :P) for RE4 Wii Edition on IGN (http://media.wii.ign.com/media/853/853595/vids_1.html) and it looks like they added some stuff. I never played the PS2 version and only saw a friend play it a little bit so I dunno what changes there were in that besides more extras, but I know at least in the Gamecube version Leon couldn't suplex opponents. Also, when playing as Ada you can now perform a fan kick, which I don't remember being able to do in Assignment Ada (as well as use a hookshot). I also don't recall el gigante being able to charge at you before quite as it does in the video. It'll be interesting to see what other little differences there are in the Wii Edition.

[JoeFu]

You guys need to look at the RE:UE video. The game looks amazing. It looks pretty fun too.

Treasure Island Z looks good too. Finally a point and click adventure game. I read an article where they describe the game as "the bizarre love child of Monkey Island and Wario Ware"

[Penfold]

You guys need to look at the RE:UE video. The game looks amazing. It looks pretty fun too.

Speak of the devil...just noticed they posted a hands-on impressions on IGN (http://wii.ign.com/articles/780/780373p1.html)...along with a gameplay vid that isn't terrible quality. The vid looks pretty cool, and I'll go ahead and read that article now...

EDIT: Read the hands-on, and watched the vid again...could end up being pretty cool. At this point, doesn't look nearly as good as RE4 to me, but still probably entertaining.

EDIT 2: Yeah, Treasure Island Z is looking pretty fun as well.

[chrono26]

You guys need to look at the RE:UE video. The game looks amazing. It looks pretty fun too.

well hot damn! the game actually looks really cool.

[Bigfoot]

You guys need to look at the RE:UE video. The game looks amazing. It looks pretty fun too.

Treasure Island Z looks good too. Finally a point and click adventure game. I read an article where they describe the game as "the bizarre love child of Monkey Island and Wario Ware"

I've heard the opposite actually.

[Antipode]

Gotta question - if I have a GC game that supports progressive scan and I'm playing it on my Wii (with a component cable) will the progressive scan mode in the GC game enable automatically or what do I need to do? (I have progressive scan selected in the Wii settings but I don't know if it affects GC games. Also remember that playing on a Wii there's no GC intro screen to hold B during.)

[KakTheInfected]

UC definetly looks a lot more promising, but I'm still in doubt. Personally I think being able to see the pre-rendered areas in full 3D would be worth the price of admission alone to any RE fan, but the game is going to get old awful quick if it's just point and click shooting the entire way through.

[JoeFu]

The guy who's making it said that he wants to make it long and hopes it can be 15 hours...


Bigfoot, I read some stuff where they said the game was really fun, but it's only like 30% complete, there's still a lot of time for those guys to make the game better. It's not even half way done yet.

[Dark Chocobo]

Yeah, that's what all devs say...but how many games do you know that were changed during development to become radically better? They always say there's time to fix the kinks, but they're rarely fixed.

[KakTheInfected]

Well, it can't possibly be that hard to make a search of every nook and cranny of well known RE areas last 15 hours. What I'm worried about is it may not feel worth doing.

If this were an actual light gun game I might think differently, but when you throw the cursor in that makes it a bit too easy.