Nintendo Wii

[Smoke]

So, the old thread (http://www.ocremix.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=85058)'s gotten rather large. For that reason I'm locking it and leaving it to purge itself.

This is now the official new thread to talk about the Nintendo Wii. It's available all over the world now, and people are buying it and enjoying it.

If you want to discuss specific games, that can be done here as well, but it's recommended to make a separate thread for the bigger titles out there.

Discuss all other Wii-related things in here though, like the hardware, price, pros and cons, and how much you like yours.

Have fun, and no trolling or flaming please.

Edit: Here is a cool page that complements the Wii browser - http://brentalan.com/wiitabs/ (gives tabs)
Also, some flash minigames for the Wii - http://www.wiicade.com
Wii/DS friend codes for OCRers - http://www.ocremix.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=95806

[KakTheInfected]

Wiiiiiiiiiii!

Has anyone gotten Pro on Wii Sports baseball yet? It's kicking my ass so bad.

[Amayirot Akago]

So, 1 week has passed since the European Wii release. I got all the cash, still waiting till the new shipment comes in though. Le sigh.

When I'm picking it up, I'll be getting Zelda with it, and with next months pay I'll pick up Wii Play + remote + nunchuck.

Goddamn it. Why do I have to wait when the rest of the world is already enjoying the wonders of this revolutionary new console?

Not to mention the fact that the US already has Elebits and we're not getting it till March :x

[NinjaN]

I made the last post in the "official Wii thread" #1...

My name shall be immortal and never forgotten! MUAHAHAHA


btw, I enjoy my Wii...




Come on, make some dumb jokes about this statement, but you know it's true!

[Doulifée]

i spent some time to earn my platinum medal at billiards. no it's done. Not pro at baseball, it's not the type of known sport around here, and i suck at it. :P

[Hellcom]

New thread already, and I haven't even gotten mine yet. I have zelda, rayman, an extra controller w/attachment, and the classic controller all sitting there taunting me.

[CE]

I made the last post in the "official Wii thread" #1...

My name shall be immortal and never forgotten! MUAHAHAHA


btw, I enjoy my Wii...




Come on, make some dumb jokes about this statement, but you know it's true!

until the thread is purged.

anyway, where the hell is the next shipment of european Wii games and stuff? I want my rayman and my Classic Controller!

[Kitsuta]

I was wondering why the old thread was locked...

Also, argh! I just realized that Best Buy was getting its latest shipment of Wiis today. I called the one near me and they're sold out already. :x Oh well.

[Eon_Blue]

My PS2 committed suicide a few weeks ago, so I've got all these ps2 games eating a hole in my bookshelf:

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/forum/games.JPG

I'm considering selling all this stuff off (minus the GC games) to add to my "Wii Fund", which, as of yesterday, totals... zero.

I wonder what's the best way to sell these for the most money? I also have another dualshock controller, and a shadowblade arcade joystick.

[Bahamut]

How much for Capcom Vs. SNK 2, Beyond Good and Evil, and Dark Cloud 2?

Oh and Smoke just wanted to make the new thread.

[Ace-Of-War]

I'm close to getting pro on tennis, and while my friend got to pro on boxing, I'm stuck in the upper-800 range. It's just impossible to be as fast as them without a real controller. Don't get me wrong, I like the motion censors, but in boxing you need to be precise... the wii-mote just doesn't cut it.

[Bahamut]

I wouldn't put the blame on the wiimote - it does just fine in Zelda. Maybe Nintendo was just lazy?

Oh and tennis is easy to get pro - maybe it's because I've played tennis for 18 years.

[JoeFu]

I hated boxing at first, but after practicing on my little brother and just learning how the gestures work, I think boxing is awesome. Only thing I'm pro in on Wii Sports is bowling though. I love my shiny ball.

[Dark Chocobo]

Is there an FAQ on boxing or something? It's fun, but I can't figure out what gestures trigger uppercuts or hooks. I just punch most of the time. Any ideas or help on this?

Also, I just finished the 5th dungeon on Zelda. Freaking awesome, that game.

[Bigfoot]

This thread is weird. I'm still using to clicking on the page # instead of the actual thread name itself :P

[Fire in the Hole]

well now you can PAGE TWO PAGE TWO

Also I miss my Wii I should have brought it on vay-k.

[Airwalker]

Still waiting for a Wii. :(

Went to Target at 4 am, because a friend who works there told me they got a shipment in. There are already 26 people in line, for 18 Wii's.

Stupid video game scalpers.

[Bahamut]

Damn, I was awake that early but decided I valued my sleep more than the money. Looks like I should've chosen the money.

[HengDe]

re: boxing, it seems like the most powerful punch is the body hook, at least when hitting the bags. doing that always seems to knock the bag right off the hooks, even if they're at 3/4 power remaining.

but i still haven't figured out how to get all the punches to execute every time. sometimes i punch and the game doesn't read it, sometimes i don't move and the game makes me punch. anyone have tips on how to get the punches just right?

[Ace-Of-War]

re: boxing, it seems like the most powerful punch is the body hook, at least when hitting the bags. doing that always seems to knock the bag right off the hooks, even if they're at 3/4 power remaining.

but i still haven't figured out how to get all the punches to execute every time. sometimes i punch and the game doesn't read it, sometimes i don't move and the game makes me punch. anyone have tips on how to get the punches just right?

Exactly my point.

Dodging punches is only so-so too because the gloves don't come together right all the time either so boxing just comes out to be a downright frustrating experience.

Tennis is really the only one I can play for more than one game/round/set without wanting to switch. I just got pro on it this evening after 81 games.

[KakTheInfected]

My cousin somehow mastered boxing the first time he played. He got clear to Pro without even seeing a single 2nd round just by doing jabs. I can't even get a normal jab to work on the goddamn Wiimote so I just use it for uppercuts :?

[Bahamut]

Tennis is really the only one I can play for more than one game/round/set without wanting to switch. I just got pro on it this evening after 81 games.

81 games, jeez. I did it in like 7 or so.

[Unstable Hamster]

Still waiting for a Wii. :(

Went to Target at 4 am, because a friend who works there told me they got a shipment in. There are already 26 people in line, for 18 Wii's.

Stupid video game scalpers.

That same thing happened to me, I was at target there today at 5:50 I was about 25 in line and they had only 21 Wii's.
Then after getting rejected at target, I went to EB games, where they had 7 Wii's.

[SilverStar]

Sheesh. The lineups NOW, are about what Nintendo was originally expecting for the Wii.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Better graphics will always impress some core gamers. The fact is less people are impressed with the the HD jump than the PS2's and especially the N64's.

Frankly I'm not impressed with HD gaming at all. It's smoother lines and more detailed textures. $1000 for a console + TV is asking too much right now.

Can we please talk more objectively here? It can't possibly be some "pure fact" that people aren't impressed. Please read what you just said.

If it's some "fact that the HD jump isn't impressing people", why is the sale of HDTVs on such a meteoric rise? The number HDTVs in homes in 2002 was around 2.2 million. In 2004, it was about 3 million more. The total percentage of HDTV usage, at least in America, is starting to reach 10% compared to about ZERO percentile roughly around 2001. And with more TV channels, HD-DVD/Bluray, game systems with High Def content and even streaming video that are starting to offer HD content, the number is only increasing. High definition is not becoming some "eyecandy" to oggle and pick up. It's becoming STANDARD.

And why are the 360s selling like hotcakes basically everywhere in the world but the stubborn anti-western Japanese? How can the PS3 simply fly off the shelves even at its ludicrous price?

And so says YOU who is constantly unimpressed by HD gaming? What says about ME who is? So what is up with that undeniable fact about people not being impressed? This has nothing against to do with the Wii here. Don't mistake me. But look at all the weak ports the Wii currently has such as all the FPS games that are being ported over which just look horrendous because the game developers aren't using the Wii to its own capability. Again, the Wii's weakpoint is its graphical capability compared to the competition. This is not me saying graphics are the only things matter or that Wii's philosophy is bad. Don't get me mistaken.

More importantly. (http://blogs.ign.com/Bozon-IGN/2006/06/28/23200/#comments)

Okay, that article is just pure biased garbage and he's essentially judging something that is NOT ON A FUCKING HIGH DEFINITION television? he's looking at some half assed IGN pictures and assuming all that? Look, that is pure bullshit. And you know it.

You're assuming the majority of people who could potentially buy Wii care about graphics. Absolutely incorrect. Case in point: The NES sold 60 million units worldwide. The Super NES, with it's significantly better graphics, sold 49 million worldwide. Clearly, graphics can only appeal to so many. I would say the vast majority of gamers care about price. Hence why the Wii and especially the DS are such hits.

Wrong. They care about the presentation, the style, the Nintendo games and what the system can do by itself. Some Wii games trying to emulate some high end PC game with extremely pixelated, nigh unplayable versions of superior versions is simply embarrassing. Yes, people buy the Wii for the unique content. And the 3rd party simply aren't doing that. I can see a few 3rd parties making the EFFORT to make games purely for the Wii using its own specifications and capabilities, but we simply are not seeing that. Again, it's only Nintendo running the show and it's the 3rd party that typically does not make much of a gamble with an original title that does the Wii justice.

Also, people DO care about the graphics. You know why the original NES sold so well? It's because of the sheer number of new gaming franchises that was unprecedented in its time AND the graphics were LEAGUES better than the Atari's. Maybe you don't remember the days when people hailed the NES graphics as being "superior to Commodore, Atari and PC graphics". But that was the general concensus in its time. It pushed the boundaries of gaming not only with the directional pad setup and the games, but also because of the games possible thanks to its graphical power. I'm not one of those people who are soley impressed by visuals here. I keep making that point again and again. It's just that it seems blatantly obvious that people correlate the increasing graphics capability to the gameplay since they have always correlated very well. The more things a system is capable of showing off to the television, the more things the developers can do with it. I don't want to hear how the Twilight Princess gameplay could have been possible on the NES or would have been as immersive and beautiful and memorable. I do not want to hear that because that's just pure drivel.


I've seen PS3/360 displays in stores, and have played quite a bit of the 360 lately on an HDTV. I'm being totally honest when I say I am not overly impressed with the visuals. Maybe it's because I'm spoiled with PC graphics and have been seening the same thing for over two years now, but they just don't look amazing to me.

I agree to a point, but let's face the FACTs for one:

A 15-20 inch CRT screen is not the same thing as 40+ inch plasma television with superior clarity to anything before it. I mean, I have one right now and the difference is clear as long as you have the high definition content to make use of it.

And another thing is that a PC is not the same thing as a home console you play on a living room. It's simply the different type of mindset. I do agree that with some games on the PC in the last few years, it does things that at the very least, almost rivals what a 360 can do (because not everyone is gung ho enough to have a tricked out tri-processor computer that could easily cost in the $3000s). But it's not the same circumstance and the pricing is much more efficient on a home console in comparison to PCs. Again, just because I'm making a case for HD gaming, it's not like I'm bashing PCs here. It's just two different things when it's all said and done.

[Ruth Loose]

I still need to make the siggie but...

5665 2837 3895 5662 is my Wii's Number and I would be more than happy to add you and vice versa.

[KWarp]

Wii lines are insane. :lmassoff:

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A Nintendo struggle: Wee hours ... Wii problem
A CNN columnist joins the holiday scramble for Nintendo's Wii game console.
December 17 2006: 10:02 AM EST


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- I swore I'd never do it. I'd never be one of those people scrambling at Christmas time trying to get the "hot" toy for my kids. I'd never let commercialism command my life. And my kids' happiness would never depend on just the right piece of molded plastic. Yet there I was ... 5:30 in the morning in the Toys 'R' Us parking lot. Thirty-four degrees.

I hate you, Nintendo.


The elusive Wii.

Yes, like many other parents this year, I was stalking a Wii. It wasn't even on the Christmas list three weeks ago. My wife and I have purposely resisted video game consoles, fearing their zombie-like effect on kids. But my family went to a Christmas party hosted by CNNMoney.com's game columnist. And the girls played with the Wii. They loved it. And it didn't turn them into zombies. "Dad! I hit one out of the park!" panted my eldest, her face flush with the exercise.

Okay, the Wii is on the list. But where to get one?

Nintendo World at Rockefeller Center in New York City got a big shipment early in the week.... "All sold out," said the man in the "Wii" shirt, when I arrived about an hour after it opened.

Best Buy? ... Target? ... Various phone calls produced a range of "Nope," "Sold out," and "You gotta be kidding."

Connections through the games columnist? No dice. (Now I hate him too).

Then the word came down. The last Wii shipments were going to hit over the weekend. Major chains would have them on sale Sunday morning. And Toys'R'US "always" gets the big shipments, according to various shopping mavens and the games columnist. (Okay, I don't hate him that much).

How early to go? The store I targeted opened at 8 a.m. A little more than two hours early should do the trick.

"I'm going to feel like an idiot showing up at an empty parking lot," I thought as I drove down deserted streets. But then came the store ... and the lot was practically full. A line of roughly 100 people stretched from the door. Those closest were wrapped in sleeping bags, sitting for the most part in fold-out chairs. A police car idled watchfully near by.

"I've got a girl friend over at the Best Buy," said the woman in front of me, motioning with her cell phone. "She says the line there is around the store."

"My friend went to the Target," said the woman next to her. "But they said they only have 15."

How many are here at this Toys'R'Us?

The word passed down. 75.

"At least that's what the guys at the front of the line are saying," said the first woman, who wandered up the line from time to time for info while we saved her space. "But you know," she shrugged, "line gossip."

My rough count, the line widened and wiggled as people made trips to their cars, put me at 130. Please let the line gossip be wrong.

The line grew. Time passed. My toes numbed. Shouldn't have worn sneakers. Should have come earlier.

"Are they going to hand out tickets?" said the guy behind me. "They really should hand out tickets."

Finally the manager came out.

"Folks, we only have 70 Wiis," he yelled. Hmmm, five put aside for the store staff, I wondered. "We're going to limit one to a family," he continued. "If you want T.M.X. Elmo, you need to come back tomorrow."

People way behind me started to leave. I stayed, hoping a severe flu outbreak would take down some of the people in front. But that didn't happen. The manager went down the line with a clip board. He stopped about 40 people away from me.

"It ends here," he yelled, motioning at the cut off point.

At least 150 disappointed people, each willing to drop about $500 or more for Wii paraphernalia at that store, walked away. Business lost. Lots of business, since this scene was probably repeated across the country. Something for investors to consider when calculating how long the Wii will ride for Nintendo (Charts) and which retailers ... Toys'R'US (Charts), Best Buy (Charts), Target (Charts), Wal-Mart (Charts), Circuit City (Charts) and the rest ... will benefit the most from it. But for old consumer me, defeat.

I hate you, Nintendo.
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Nintendo's hype machine keeps building!! :D

[Bahamut]

Even worse: http://www.gametab.com/news/768728/

When the launch of the PS3 and Wii happened within two days of each other, we all heard terrible stories of the PS3 launch lines gone awry while the Wii launch lines were like some sort of hippie love-in. But, as we get closer to Christmas and the Johnny-come-latelys get closer to not having that system they want for the big day, even the Wii lines are starting to get ugly.

CNN staffer Krysten Peek tells the tale of a truly frightening Wii line experience in which she had the unfortunate circumstance of being the one to receive the store's last Wii from their current shipment. As she turned to leave with her prize, she realized that there was still a long line of disgruntled shoppers behind her. Her walk back to the front of the store became a mass of jeers and people grabbing at her bag while she clutched on for dear life. She barely escaped from a tug of war match with another customer by the intervention of a store security guard. The guard escorted her to the street where he hailed down a police car that drove the terrified woman to her home.

Ah, Christmas. Always so full of cheer and good will towards all. So much for the Nintendo Love In... Flynn De Marco

[Zombie]

Damn, this sucks. There is absolutely no Wii accessories (controllers, points, etc.) at the WalMart here at all... and it's the only place around here that carries videogames and videogame related things. :(

I'll have my Wii # up in a bit.

EDIT: Wow, I totally didn't notice that this was a new thread. :lol:

[Bahamut]

Yeah, I want to buy the classic controller but I can't find it anywhere. I guess I can wait though.

[The Damned]

Yeah, I want to buy the classic controller but I can't find it anywhere. I guess I can wait though.
According to various sites (and their diagrams) the Gamecube controller works with all VC games. Maybe you can use one until such time a classic controller become available.

[atmuh]

Yeah, I want to buy the classic controller but I can't find it anywhere. I guess I can wait though.
28th...nintendo world

[Airwalker]

...Maybe I'll just wait until January.

[SilverStar]

I wonder how many units Nintendo managed to move today.

Would have been sweet if they managed another 1 mil, just today alone. :P

[linkspast]

My PS2 committed suicide a few weeks ago, so I've got all these ps2 games eating a hole in my bookshelf:

I'm considering selling all this stuff off (minus the GC games) to add to my "Wii Fund", which, as of yesterday, totals... zero.

I wonder what's the best way to sell these for the most money? I also have another dualshock controller, and a shadowblade arcade joystick.

How much for gradius?

[Merk]

Yeah, I want to buy the classic controller but I can't find it anywhere. I guess I can wait though.

Did you try Nintendo's Online Store (http://store.nintendo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&langId=-1&currency=USD&ignoreCrumbs=N&crumb1=&crumb1Ignore=&crumb2=%253CA%2BHREF%253D%2522javascript%253APassO n%2528%2527X%2527%252C%2B%2527ChooseView%2527%252C %2527%2527%252C%2B%2527%2527%2529%253B%2522%253EWi i%253C%252FA%253E&crumb2Ignore=&crumb3=&crumb3Ignore=&translateFrom=%C8%C9%C7&translateTo=EEC&usrSearchText=&searchText=&selSrchType=&page=&view=&productId=117708&categoryId=62705&lastAction=ProductDisplay&orderTotal=null)?

[KWarp]

Better graphics will always impress some core gamers. The fact is less people are impressed with the the HD jump than the PS2's and especially the N64's.

Frankly I'm not impressed with HD gaming at all. It's smoother lines and more detailed textures. $1000 for a console + TV is asking too much right now.

Can we please talk more objectively here? It can't possibly be some "pure fact" that people aren't impressed. Please read what you just said. [/quote]
Does not comparatively fewer SNES sales than NES sales demonstrate that? SNES had better graphics an really fun games, but their appeal wasn't nearly as broad as NES.

If it's some "fact that the HD jump isn't impressing people", why is the sale of HDTVs on such a meteoric rise? The number HDTVs in homes in 2002 was around 2.2 million. In 2004, it was about 3 million more. The total percentage of HDTV usage, at least in America, is starting to reach 10% compared to about ZERO percentile roughly around 2001. And with more TV channels, HD-DVD/Bluray, game systems with High Def content and even streaming video that are starting to offer HD content, the number is only increasing. High definition is not becoming some "eyecandy" to oggle and pick up. It's becoming STANDARD.
Sales are picking up because manufacturers overestimated demand are dropping HDTV prices significantly.

And why are the 360s selling like hotcakes basically everywhere in the world but the stubborn anti-western Japanese? How can the PS3 simply fly off the shelves even at its ludicrous price?
Where do you get selling like hotcakes from? The 360 has been outsold by the PS2 every single month since launch except one. The 360 has also not reached sales predictions of 10 million by the end of 2006 (if they did so it would have been announced by now). There are two weeks certainly, but with Microsoft at 6 million units in September, (http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY07/earn_rel_q1_07.mspx) their success is arguable to say the least.

And so says YOU who is constantly unimpressed by HD gaming? What says about ME who is? So what is up with that undeniable fact about people not being impressed? This has nothing against to do with the Wii here. Don't mistake me. But look at all the weak ports the Wii currently has such as all the FPS games that are being ported over which just look horrendous because the game developers aren't using the Wii to its own capability. Again, the Wii's weakpoint is its graphical capability compared to the competition. This is not me saying graphics are the only things matter or that Wii's philosophy is bad. Don't get me mistaken.
I agree with you. My opinion is irrelevant to an objective argument. I'll take care to argue objectively with you.

More importantly. (http://blogs.ign.com/Bozon-IGN/2006/06/28/23200/#comments)

Okay, that article is just pure biased garbage and he's essentially judging something that is NOT ON A FUCKING HIGH DEFINITION television? he's looking at some half assed IGN pictures and assuming all that? Look, that is pure bullshit. And you know it.
His point is the graphics have hardly evolved, and we're paying a lot of money for them. Also, do not dismiss the non-HD screenshot. 80% of TV owners have SDTVs and that's not changing significantly within the next few months.

You're assuming the majority of people who could potentially buy Wii care about graphics. Absolutely incorrect. Case in point: The NES sold 60 million units worldwide. The Super NES, with it's significantly better graphics, sold 49 million worldwide. Clearly, graphics can only appeal to so many. I would say the vast majority of gamers care about price. Hence why the Wii and especially the DS are such hits.

Wrong. They care about the presentation, the style, the Nintendo games and what the system can do by itself. Some Wii games trying to emulate some high end PC game with extremely pixelated, nigh unplayable versions of superior versions is simply embarrassing. Yes, people buy the Wii for the unique content. And the 3rd party simply aren't doing that. I can see a few 3rd parties making the EFFORT to make games purely for the Wii using its own specifications and capabilities, but we simply are not seeing that. Again, it's only Nintendo running the show and it's the 3rd party that typically does not make much of a gamble with an original title that does the Wii justice.
But they do not want to pay double for clarity. Yes most third parties don't believe in Wii. Yes Nintendo is running the show. But guess what? If Nintendo's console keeps selling, and third parties see a haven for their profit margins, support will grow significantly.

Also, PC will always have the best graphics.

Also, people DO care about the graphics. You know why the original NES sold so well? It's because of the sheer number of new gaming franchises that was unprecedented in its time AND the graphics were LEAGUES better than the Atari's. Maybe you don't remember the days when people hailed the NES graphics as being "superior to Commodore, Atari and PC graphics". But that was the general concensus in its time. It pushed the boundaries of gaming not only with the directional pad setup and the games, but also because of the games possible thanks to its graphical power.
I disagree. The NES was underpowered compared to other consoles/computers of the time (which were 16-bit). It sold well because of quality, appealing software. It was also a simple, usable product completely different from anything on the market. A new controller, a button that always turned the console on, another that always reset, and another that always ejected the cartridge. It had no load times.

I'm not one of those people who are soley impressed by visuals here. I keep making that point again and again. It's just that it seems blatantly obvious that people correlate the increasing graphics capability to the gameplay since they have always correlated very well. The more things a system is capable of showing off to the television, the more things the developers can do with it. I don't want to hear how the Twilight Princess gameplay could have been possible on the NES or would have been as immersive and beautiful and memorable. I do not want to hear that because that's just pure drivel.
Good point.

However, it seems consoles are at the point where they no longer limit a developer's artistic vision. High Definition offers nothing more than a clearer picture in terms of graphics.

Processing power is a completely different story. AI and physics are just scratching the surface with what they can do with games.

I hate it when posts get this big. -_-;

[anclunn]

I totally care about graphics. And by graphics I mean cleaner animation and less clipping. Higher resolution = better graphics? If that's the case then slide shows have AMAZING graphics. Look at that realism!

I'm actually very disappointed that the 360 and PS3 support HD. By supporting HD so much processing power is being used to render more pixels. And if you've got it hooked up to a standard TV, the system will still be wasting that power to render the images in HD, even though you don't get to see them.

I was hoping to finally be through with half assed animation for everything but controllable characters, or maybe some non-super-shiny reflective surfaces. It looks like I'm just going to get more of Square's pretty cut-scenes, only now in a higher resolution. :(

[Cerrax]

I totally care about graphics. And by graphics I mean cleaner animation and less clipping. Higher resolution = better graphics? If that's the case then slide shows have AMAZING graphics. Look at that realism!

I'm actually very disappointed that the 360 and PS3 support HD. By supporting HD so much processing power is being used to render more pixels. And if you've got it hooked up to a standard TV, the system will still be wasting that power to render the images in HD, even though you don't get to see them.

I was hoping to finally be through with half assed animation for everything but controllable characters, or maybe some non-super-shiny reflective surfaces. It looks like I'm just going to get more of Square's pretty cut-scenes, only now in a higher resolution. :(

I wonder how many people here have actually seen a game in HD. My roomate has an HDTV and I have to say, Gears of War and Ninja Gaiden look mighty impressive on an HDTV.

Take Ninja Gaiden for example. On a normal TV, it looks like any other XBox game. Its kind of fuzzy around the edges, and the camera is pulled far enough back that you can't really tell if Ryu's legs are fully modeled or just triangular prisms. Now take it to an HDTV and you can see a massive improvement in the graphics. Not only is the image sharp and vivid, but many details that are not obvious on a normal TV become quite apparent. Ryu's whole outline is quite visible, and its is amazing how good it looks on XBox. The only downside is, no real detailed texuring, making it look kind of like the original Toy Story.

Then Gears of War. On a regular TV, it looks pretty damn good. Same problem though, its fuzzy, and sort of bland (and if your TV is even slightly dark Gears of War is very difficult to play). Plus, some text and icons (which are extremely important since they are the action indicators for your character) are difficult to make out at times. On an HDTV, the picture lunges to life. Sharp, distinct, vivid. The whole thing just pops off the screen. And text and icons become very visible.

On a absolutely necessary basis, no HD support is not. But as far as graphical impression, its a must.


PS-Super Smash Brothers Melee looks like shit on an HDTV. Pixelated, blurry (and even worse with the deflicker on).

[Bahamut]

Yeah, I want to buy the classic controller but I can't find it anywhere. I guess I can wait though.
28th...nintendo world

Are they going to horde classic controllers for sale on the meetup day?

[atmuh]

Yeah, I want to buy the classic controller but I can't find it anywhere. I guess I can wait though.
28th...nintendo world

Are they going to horde classic controllers for sale on the meetup day?
dude...they have TONS of all the controllers

[I-n-j-i-n]

I totally care about graphics. And by graphics I mean cleaner animation and less clipping. Higher resolution = better graphics? If that's the case then slide shows have AMAZING graphics. Look at that realism!

I'm actually very disappointed that the 360 and PS3 support HD. By supporting HD so much processing power is being used to render more pixels. And if you've got it hooked up to a standard TV, the system will still be wasting that power to render the images in HD, even though you don't get to see them.

I was hoping to finally be through with half assed animation for everything but controllable characters, or maybe some non-super-shiny reflective surfaces. It looks like I'm just going to get more of Square's pretty cut-scenes, only now in a higher resolution. :(

The whole point with 360/PS3 is for the higher end crowd who can afford HDTVs or those who might want to improvise with a relatively cheap CRT HDTVs or a reasonably priced 20 inch HDTV or something. But yeah, if you plug something like that into SDTVs, that's just silly. But I don't think they really are sacrificing much in the form of AI capability and smoothness of animation for the ability to push out the pixels.


And though people say that the vast majority of people current gamers have SDTVs and all, I hear a lot of stories about people finally making the HDTV switch thanks in part for the 360 or the PS3 to take advantage of it. I did the same thinking about the next generation of games and movies when I got mine. I think it's pretty significant that this generation of games is helping contribute to the HDTV market. And we all have to thank such contributions since they will make even more HDTVs to make up for the increasing demand and possibly further lower the prices on them.

And of course, the Wii is definitely there so that people don't have to make such expensive excursions to experience something. But I don't think that necessarily makes the high def option into some failed idea. Looking back at it, it was just crazy to spend $300 on a PSX that had horrendous graphical capability but with the "newness" of 3D graphics. Or maybe a Saturn that cost just as much as the 360 today. Pricing can be a concern, but I don't think it'll make or break anything. I said this before, but the PS3 is on the extreme end of that. And even then, people might just pony out the cash to play it.

However, it seems consoles are at the point where they no longer limit a developer's artistic vision. High Definition offers nothing more than a clearer picture in terms of graphics.

Processing power is a completely different story. AI and physics are just scratching the surface with what they can do with games.

I hate it when posts get this big. -_-;

I wouldn't quite say that it's a matter of being limited or not. Even in the NES days with the likes of Ultima and Zork, they had plenty of freedom to make free-roaming, multiple-endings types of games. It was restrictive to be sure, but it didn't hinder them from making them and making them playable. Also with the high definition, I can somewhat agree that it doesn't seem impressive on paper or on casual glance. At least not until you spend a lot of time with it. It's true what they say about a lot of 360 games that look unimpressive looking at some lousy quality online videos or still images. BUT, it's a whole another story to actually look at it on an actual HDTV with everything in motion. It's not simply the clarity either. But the colors are more vivid, there's more happening on screen, the animation tends to be better and etc. And we're only a generation into the 360 (which should finally see some true next gen content since the PS2 and Xbox are phasing out).

Also, high definition, I believe, can definitely help the artistic imagery of games. For example, with standard definition television, it's actually quite difficult to make up distant images on it while on HDTVs, it's much easier to make pretty sharp looking distant images. It's like making the canvas of an art have more depth and definition to it. I don't know how to describe it very well, but I think the artistic potential is definitely there. And I don't necessarily mean it in the way that we get to see more photorealism or anything. It can be cartoony, surrealistic, whatever.

[Bahamut]

Yeah, I want to buy the classic controller but I can't find it anywhere. I guess I can wait though.
28th...nintendo world

Are they going to horde classic controllers for sale on the meetup day?
dude...they have TONS of all the controllers

Oh sweet!

[Bummerdude]

So, 1 week has passed since the European Wii release.
So that means that there's only 174 weeks until the price has started to drop. Awesome.

[Ramaniscence]

My PS2 committed suicide a few weeks ago, so I've got all these ps2 games eating a hole in my bookshelf:

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/forum/games.JPG

I'm considering selling all this stuff off (minus the GC games) to add to my "Wii Fund", which, as of yesterday, totals... zero.

I wonder what's the best way to sell these for the most money? I also have another dualshock controller, and a shadowblade arcade joystick.

SELL REZ TO ME AT A REASONABLE PRICE :(((((((((((((((

[KWarp]

However, it seems consoles are at the point where they no longer limit a developer's artistic vision. High Definition offers nothing more than a clearer picture in terms of graphics.

Processing power is a completely different story. AI and physics are just scratching the surface with what they can do with games.

I hate it when posts get this big. -_-;

I wouldn't quite say that it's a matter of being limited or not. Even in the NES days with the likes of Ultima and Zork, they had plenty of freedom to make free-roaming, multiple-endings types of games. It was restrictive to be sure, but it didn't hinder them from making them and making them playable.
I'm talking about cramming in the art itself. You couldn't accurately put Picasso's paintings into a NES game, but certainly the Cube could take it. HD could improve the clarity certainly. The point is lush, graphically immersive worlds are no longer limited to a console's processing power.

Also with the high definition, I can somewhat agree that it doesn't seem impressive on paper or on casual glance. At least not until you spend a lot of time with it. It's true what they say about a lot of 360 games that look unimpressive looking at some lousy quality online videos or still images. BUT, it's a whole another story to actually look at it on an actual HDTV with everything in motion. It's not simply the clarity either. But the colors are more vivid, there's more happening on screen, the animation tends to be better and etc. And we're only a generation into the 360 (which should finally see some true next gen content since the PS2 and Xbox are phasing out).
Wii gameplay is hard to describe on paper as well, so I see where you're coming from. I spent my yesterday at a party with a 45" LCD HD screen and a 360 on it, and can say my heart always jumps when I watch a detailed texture fly buy, but when I'm playing the games I don't ever notice them. Certainly the smoother lines and textures are nice, but if they're not integral parts of the gameplay, they're just gimmicky. Yes graphics are gimmicky. What's the point of an HD game if you, from the players point of view, can never take advantage of the drawing distances, clean edges, or texture detail. It's all output and no input or processing. Give me a game where I need HD graphics to win.

Also, high definition, I believe, can definitely help the artistic imagery of games. For example, with standard definition television, it's actually quite difficult to make up distant images on it while on HDTVs, it's much easier to make pretty sharp looking distant images. It's like making the canvas of an art have more depth and definition to it. I don't know how to describe it very well, but I think the artistic potential is definitely there. And I don't necessarily mean it in the way that we get to see more photorealism or anything. It can be cartoony, surrealistic, whatever.
Agreed. I just wish more cartoony games would surface on the PS360. Their appeal is painfully limited right now.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Not meaning to go off topic, but I hear that the drawing distance apparent in High Def games does make some difference especially with shooters that makes long distance shooting since you can actually see the enemy's figure from far away. Not quite in the way of seeing that small blob in the distance like in the Quake/Doom days. I also would think it can make a huge difference for something like a flight simulator where long distance sight could do a lot for the actual gameplay. The there is the whole issue with the wide-screen in itself helping with the better perspective of the action. Games like Gears of War recently is a perfect example. Almost like the panoramic view of normal eyesight.

And in one video of Lost Planet, one of the special effects done by the hardware made one huge difference: The lighting from cannon fire. It had a realistic flare lighting and not the typical smoke and 'generic huge explosion' graphics to cover it up either. If an object is in front of you and the explosion, you would not be totally blinded and it could help you in the actual game scenario.

Yeah, there's a lot more room for the 360/PS3 games to improve upon and seize the potential of their hardware just the same as the Wii does with games that needs to distinguish themselves using its own hardware limitations and the controller possibilities. There definitely could be more examples like the ones I've mentioned but in more meaningful ways. It definitely is more subtle of a change than in the NES>SNES>PSX>PS2 days.

[SilverStar]

Injin, I think one thing you and I can both agree on, is that next generation is going to fucking blow this one out of the water, if it doesn't already get grabbed by MS or Sony later this generation.

Combine HD resolutions, with intuitive control schemes the likes of which the Wii has, and the other attributes, and we'll really see what's going down.

That and there's going to be tons of examples of just how it can work naturally, just from the PC market creating and editing PC drivers to use the wiimote in existing software.

[KWarp]

Won't we have holographics by then? :wink:

[Offtopic probably]
Good points Injin. The next barrier Sony and Microsoft have to deal with is appeal. Certainly shooters and action games have their uses for HD, and justify the price tag for hardcore gamers, but how can they justify less graphically intensive games with a casual/nongamer appeal. Will they even exist? I suppose Nintendo flat out owns that market though.

Silverstar, GoNintendo's been tracking patents laid own by Sony for their own free pointer device. The have three already and probably will submit more later. I'm curious to see how this pans out these next few months.

[SilverStar]

Holographics? Probably not. But I would imagine the cost of custom projection systems might come down in price to the point where having such a projector built WITH a game system may actually be a viable choice.. Certainly, it would mean they wouldn't be limited to the confines of a TV anymore, but you would probably need a fairly sizable wall to play on, or a projection screen for it, or something.

That or we'll see the NintendoOn. be realized, which would be pretty damn sweet I say. Still.

And yeah, I know Sony's filed their own patents for similar devices, but what I've read of them, they've been little more than a pointer device that couples with the camera peripheral, lacking any actual motion sensitivity or adequate 3D positioning.

But, hey.. Sony also filed a patent for a technology it doesn't even HAVE yet. One that involves a direct mental stimulation, to directly stimulate the visual parts of the brain and allow for an augmented reality system of display.

Just imagine the eyestrain that would cause! Make your eyes bleed if the thing freezes up on you(Maybe that's why the baby was crying tears of blood..?).

[Smoke]

I totally care about graphics. And by graphics I mean cleaner animation and less clipping. Higher resolution = better graphics? If that's the case then slide shows have AMAZING graphics. Look at that realism!

I'm actually very disappointed that the 360 and PS3 support HD. By supporting HD so much processing power is being used to render more pixels. And if you've got it hooked up to a standard TV, the system will still be wasting that power to render the images in HD, even though you don't get to see them.

I was hoping to finally be through with half assed animation for everything but controllable characters, or maybe some non-super-shiny reflective surfaces. It looks like I'm just going to get more of Square's pretty cut-scenes, only now in a higher resolution. :(

I wonder how many people here have actually seen a game in HD. My roomate has an HDTV and I have to say, Gears of War and Ninja Gaiden look mighty impressive on an HDTV.

Take Ninja Gaiden for example. On a normal TV, it looks like any other XBox game. Its kind of fuzzy around the edges, and the camera is pulled far enough back that you can't really tell if Ryu's legs are fully modeled or just triangular prisms. Now take it to an HDTV and you can see a massive improvement in the graphics. Not only is the image sharp and vivid, but many details that are not obvious on a normal TV become quite apparent. Ryu's whole outline is quite visible, and its is amazing how good it looks on XBox. The only downside is, no real detailed texuring, making it look kind of like the original Toy Story.

Then Gears of War. On a regular TV, it looks pretty damn good. Same problem though, its fuzzy, and sort of bland (and if your TV is even slightly dark Gears of War is very difficult to play). Plus, some text and icons (which are extremely important since they are the action indicators for your character) are difficult to make out at times. On an HDTV, the picture lunges to life. Sharp, distinct, vivid. The whole thing just pops off the screen. And text and icons become very visible.

On a absolutely necessary basis, no HD support is not. But as far as graphical impression, its a must.


PS-Super Smash Brothers Melee looks like shit on an HDTV. Pixelated, blurry (and even worse with the deflicker on).

It also depends on what cables you use for the SDTV. The stock composite and S-Video cables are responsible for most of the blur and fuzz, while with component or SCART RGB cables the images are much clearer and sharper, even if you don't go HD. Text clarity is improved, colors are much better, and there's no bleeding on edges where highly-different colors meet.

And yes, those improvements are noticeable enough to purchase the cables, and SCART RGB cables are available for the older consoles as well in Europe.

Too bad I can only use my digital camera to get some shots of the actual difference.

[KakTheInfected]

A 15-20 inch CRT screen is not the same thing as 40+ inch plasma television with superior clarity to anything before it. I mean, I have one right now and the difference is clear as long as you have the high definition content to make use of it.

You are aware that many people these days, especially gamers, have flat screen LCD monitors right?

And another thing is that a PC is not the same thing as a home console you play on a living room. It's simply the different type of mindset. I do agree that with some games on the PC in the last few years, it does things that at the very least, almost rivals what a 360 can do (because not everyone is gung ho enough to have a tricked out tri-processor computer that could easily cost in the $3000s). But it's not the same circumstance and the pricing is much more efficient on a home console in comparison to PCs. Again, just because I'm making a case for HD gaming, it's not like I'm bashing PCs here. It's just two different things when it's all said and done.

Honestly, I think you're overestimating what it costs to make a PC as powerful as a 360. For example, I haven't even spent close to $3000 (under $1500 in fact) on my PC that I built nearly 4 years ago, and Oblivion looks better on it than it does on 360 (and even better, there are mods for Oblivion that give you even higher res textures for PC).

Also, I have my PC hooked up to my TV and surround system. If it were easier to use a mouse/keyboard on my couch, I'd probably never use my monitor again.

However, I can agree that a lot of people would rather just spend $400 than learn how to upgrade their PC.

[Bahamut]

And another thing is that a PC is not the same thing as a home console you play on a living room. It's simply the different type of mindset. I do agree that with some games on the PC in the last few years, it does things that at the very least, almost rivals what a 360 can do (because not everyone is gung ho enough to have a tricked out tri-processor computer that could easily cost in the $3000s). But it's not the same circumstance and the pricing is much more efficient on a home console in comparison to PCs. Again, just because I'm making a case for HD gaming, it's not like I'm bashing PCs here. It's just two different things when it's all said and done.

Honestly, I think you're overestimating what it costs to make a PC as powerful as a 360. For example, I haven't even spent close to $3000 (under $1500 in fact) on my PC that I built nearly 4 years ago, and Oblivion looks better on it than it does on 360 (and even better, there are mods for Oblivion that give you even higher res textures for PC).

Also, I have my PC hooked up to my TV and surround system. If it were easier to use a mouse/keyboard on my couch, I'd probably never use my monitor again.

However, I can agree that a lot of people would rather just spend $400 than learn how to upgrade their PC.

Well, PCs are just about to get a kick up in expense with Windows Vista, and for many it will even require new equipment such as video cards. The PC game industry is in transition characteristic of the console industry thanks to Microsoft's new plan, which might become standard.

[KakTheInfected]

You're absolutely right, but PCs now exceed the power and visual capability of both the PS3 and 360. They're only going to look better with DX10 and newer video cards (obviously).

Don't get me wrong, I know PCs are more expensive. I just think it's worth paying since they do so much more than consoles can ever do when it comes to games.

[Bahamut]

I'm not sure about the do so much more part - I mean, sure, they have better graphical capabilities at the moment, but the PS3 and XBox 360 are capable of so much more than what they do now so at the moment, one could argue that they are more powerful than PCs. It's more about how it is being utilized.

Also, while PCs have some serious graphical power, the game market is far more limited for PCs than consoles - you have your handful collection of western RPGs, your typical FPS/tactical FPS game, and your RTS, and that's about it for the most part, while consoles offer so much more variety such as rhythm games (i.e. DDR & Guitar Hero), adventure games (i.e. Zelda), fighting games (i.e. Street Fighter, Super Smash Bros.), eastern RPGs (i.e. Final Fantasy, Tales), strategy RPGs (i.e. Fire Emblem, the godfather of the series), and other quirky variety such as the Wario Ware games. Also, the control mechanism for console games is more natural & intuitive than PC games in general, the most notable exception being the RTS genre, despite its roots on console games (Herzog Zwei).

The large problem is that the PC gaming base is generally limited to those who think of themselves as hardcore. Few companies have attempted to expand this market, and many of those attempts end in failure, excepting a few notables such as EA's The Sims. This market is growing increasingly limited while many developers are able to expand on consoles due to the encouragement of making your product stand out with the deluge of clones and done-thats. This is probably why the PC gaming market has been dying in terms of sales.

[The Author]

The weakness of the PC is also its strength. Its not standard. When someone makes a PS3 game, they know how it will look on every PS3 (all 6 of them). When someone makes a PC game, it changes in different PCs.

[KakTheInfected]

Well, my issue with the 360/PS3 is the fact that both consoles are trying too hard to be PCs at this point. Even though they do have exclusive games that can't be had anywhere else, a lot of their other games can be played on a PC with better controls, and $4-600 is getting a little ridiculous to pay for, what is basically, a gimped PC.

Even Nintendo has started to go in that direction with the Wii (Photo, Weather and News Channel) but at least the price is somewhat reasonable. The DS is probably the only current system I really don't have a problem with when it comes to this.

[Evilhead]

I'm a bit late to the party, but I've been playing through Okami lately and absolutely love it. It borrows a lot from Zelda but it has enough unique about it to make it a distinctly awesome game. But I can't help thinking how much better it would be on the Wii. It would be perfect for the brush strokes obviously, but other aspects like movement and the disk on Amaterasu's back could be controlled perfectly with the Wii remote. Not to mention the graphical kick that could help the already amazing graphics. Too bad we'll probably never see a port of this.

[Bahamut]

Didn't Capcom axe the studio that made Okami?

[JoeFu]

Clover is just part of Capcom now and the developer of Okami said that the game would not work well with the Wii for some reason...

[Evilhead]

Clover is just part of Capcom now and the developer of Okami said that the game would not work well with the Wii for some reason...

Huh, I wonder what their reasoning is, if they have it? I can think of several control schemes off the top of my head that would work well, and I'm sure the graphics would be no problem. Actually, it's probably more political than that. Okami is big hit for the PS2 that Sony wouldn't want to see on the Wii, so I wonder if that has anything to do with it. Sucks that kind of thing is keeping Okami off the Wii, if I am correct.

[The Damned]

I'm a bit late to the party, but I've been playing through Okami lately and absolutely love it. It borrows a lot from Zelda but it has enough unique about it to make it a distinctly awesome game. But I can't help thinking how much better it would be on the Wii. It would be perfect for the brush strokes obviously, but other aspects like movement and the disk on Amaterasu's back could be controlled perfectly with the Wii remote. Not to mention the graphical kick that could help the already amazing graphics. Too bad we'll probably never see a port of this.
Gahwhat? Praise of the Wii from... Evilhead? 8O

I'm scared. Someone hold me.

[Bigfoot]

Three new VC titles are up.


http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/9883/vcmonday121806me3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Tennis (NES), Space Harrier II (Genesis), and Military Madness (TurboGrafx-16)

[Bahamut]

They need to put up Super Tennis, king of tennis games.

[Red Shadow]

I'm not going to be happy with the virtual console until i can get earthbound from it.

[Neo-Egyptian]

Today is my birthday.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9770/1001176zz4.jpg

Thusfar it has been rather good :P

[Kitsuta]

Best birthday present ever. ;) (okay, not really, but it's pretty damn good).

[Bigfoot]

What do the European TP discs look like? I know Japan and America's are different.

[Neo-Egyptian]

Here you go.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2951/1001180tb2.jpg

I'll also throw this one in to show you just how geeky my room at home looks right now:

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/8853/1001181pw6.jpg

I leave all this stuff at home when I go to uni, honestly!

[Geoffrey Taucer]

GAAAAAAAAH!

I STILL DON'T HAVE A WII!

[Kitsuta]

GAAAAAAAAH!

I STILL DON'T HAVE A WII!

Tell me about it. :roll:

[linkspast]

GAAAAAAAAH!

I STILL DON'T HAVE A WII!

Tell me about it. :roll:

same.

[Hellcom]

GAAAAAAAAH!

I STILL DON'T HAVE A WII!

Tell me about it. :roll:

same.

Your Order has been shipped

YAY!

[The Author]

GAAAAAAAAH!

I STILL DON'T HAVE A WII!

Tell me about it. :roll:

same.

Your Order has been shipped to your neighboug's place. Also, we charged you twice. And your neighbourg is moving tomorrow, with your Wii.

NAY!

[KakTheInfected]

Not to change the topic but...what is everyone's thoughts on the Wiimote speaker so far?

At first, I really didn't like it, but after I turned it off, it really felt like something was missing, especially in Zelda. The only thing that bothers me about it is sometimes it plays sounds that are coming out of your TV/surround speakers too, which is pretty distracting.

[Kitsuta]

GAAAAAAAAH!

I STILL DON'T HAVE A WII!

Tell me about it. :roll:

same.

Your Order has been shipped

YAY!

If you don't mind me asking, how did you manage to order it online? All the stores I know of were sold out.

[NinjaN]

I like the idea of the WiiMote speaker...

Should have been a better quality, though.


There are just two things I miss:

1) a mp3 channel
2) the ability to save screenshots from within the Home menu


Somebody knows where I can tell the Big N about these issues?

[Kitsuta]

I like the idea of the WiiMote speaker...

Should have been a better quality, though.


There are just two things I miss:

1) a mp3 channel
2) the ability to save screenshots from within the Home menu


Somebody knows where I can tell the Big N about these issues?

NSider forums maybe. Otherwise you're SOL. They state specifically on their site that they don't accept unsolicited ideas(via e/mail at least).

[Penfold]

Not to change the topic but...what is everyone's thoughts on the Wiimote speaker so far?

At first, I really didn't like it, but after I turned it off, it really felt like something was missing, especially in Zelda. The only thing that bothers me about it is sometimes it plays sounds that are coming out of your TV/surround speakers too, which is pretty distracting.

I was skeptical at first about the speaker, but I really think it adds a lot. The only problem with it is the speaker bottoms out too easily, thus causing distortion. When it was on the default (max) volume in Zelda especially it would often distort, but now that I turned it down it's so much better.

Btw, played Elebits multiplayer this weekend for this first time. It's fun, but I gotta say the single player was more fun. The biggest problem with multiplayer is how much greater the advantage the player who controls the camera has. Also played through some of the missions in the different modes, which was a lot of fun. I would have probably played more, but I picked up Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime for DS and FINALLY got Cubivore for GC (so damn hard to find, but it's really an awesome game...very unique) this weekend.

EDIT: Oh, and yay for me, I finally had the time to finish up Zelda yesterday!

[Zombie]

Meh, I think I could live without the Wii-mote speaker. :|

[Penfold]

w00t, a few more details on Prince of Persia for the Wii. (http://wii.ign.com/articles/751/751470p1.html)

[atmuh]

I like the idea of the WiiMote speaker...

Should have been a better quality, though.


There are just two things I miss:

1) a mp3 channel
2) the ability to save screenshots from within the Home menu


Somebody knows where I can tell the Big N about these issues?

NSider forums maybe. Otherwise you're SOL. They state specifically on their site that they don't accept unsolicited ideas(via e/mail at least).
HAVE FUN AT NSIDER!

[Amayirot Akago]

w00t, a few more details on Prince of Persia for the Wii. (http://wii.ign.com/articles/751/751470p1.html)
Two Thrones remake FTL.

[JoeFu]

Seriously, Ubisoft is sucking right now. They are just pushing out ports and tacking on crappy controls. Their lazy ports are evident in FarCry. They made the game look worse than the Xbox one that came out a while ago.

They really need to stop doing this crap.

[Ruth Loose]

I would recommend trying Toys 'R' Us as I just walked in and they had a heap of Wiimotes, Nunchucks, and classic controllers. They also had a healthy selection of games in the store.

[Smoke]

I like the idea of the WiiMote speaker...

Should have been a better quality, though.


There are just two things I miss:

1) a mp3 channel
2) the ability to save screenshots from within the Home menu


Somebody knows where I can tell the Big N about these issues?

The Photo Channel also does MP3s in slideshows, just put your tracks on the same SD card. A separate MP3 channel would be kind of useless.

Screenshots would be a nice option, but wouldn't really add all that much. Could be useful as a function of the Home button though, so it can be used in all games and VC titles as well. Especially if it's integrated into the Photo Channel so you can send pictures back to an SD card.

Also, Nintendo states on all of their international sites that they don't accept any ideas from outside sources, mainly for copyright and patent reasons. There's no use in trying to contact them about it. Basically, if they see the demand in some way, they'll adapt to it.

[JoeFu]

Some games allow screenshots. Elebits allows the player to take screen shots. You can send them to people in your address book too.

[Dark Chocobo]

Seriously, Ubisoft is sucking right now. They are just pushing out ports and tacking on crappy controls. Their lazy ports are evident in FarCry. They made the game look worse than the Xbox one that came out a while ago.

They really need to stop doing this crap.

The day companies stop making crappy ports will be the Second Coming of Christ.

no srsly tho, ports are a cheap, easy way to make a buck, but with crap like Far Cry coming out, I hope gamers realize that companies are just getting lazier with them and not buy them. The same goes for licensed games (I'm looking at you, every movie game ever).

And to be honest, Ubisoft is at least supporting the Wii. Rayman's pretty good from what I hear, and Red Steel's gotten mixed reviews. The new POP port will be useful to those who haven't played it yet (coughmecough). I hope they add enough new stuff to practically make it a new game.

Companies need to learn that people want either (A) really good ports or (B) original games. I mean, wasn't more than half the Wii and PS3 launch line-up ports? It's ridiculous.

Also, Nintendo, let's see some online support!

But I really have little to complain about. Good launch line up, Zelda's keeping me occupied, and my friends/family love Wii Sports, so it all works out.


Also: WHY IS THERE NO TOEJAM AND EARL ON VIRTUAL CONSOLE YET?!? No one cares about Tennis, put the REAL games on.

[JoeFu]

Toejam and Earl is next week. I guess it can be called a Christmas present???

[Bahamut]

Dark Chocobo fails.

[SirChadlyOC]

Anyone ever play Military Madness? It sounds pretty sweet, but I'm a little anxious of burning $6 on the game if it's lame.

BTW, I had a wrist strap break the other day while playing Wii Sports Tennis, but I didn't drop my controller. I guess I just served too hard and incorrectly. Good thing I can get four new and improved ones for free.

[KWarp]

Farcry and Redsteel are both instances of games that needed more development time. Redsteel for its controls, and Farcry for its graphics engine. We'll gladly wait for a more quality product Ubisoft, so don't screw up Prince of Persia k?

I think the speaker works well for everything but the crappy sword sounds in Zelda. *sigh*

<3 Elebits.

[Bahamut]

Actually, I like the sword sounds. I can't stand the low quality when it does the "got-an-item" sound though.

[watkinzez]

Not sure if it's available worldwide, but the Prince of Persia trilogy is available to buy for half the price of a normal game here. Hence Wii version= even more of a rip off than normal.

[Ace-Of-War]

Tennis is really the only one I can play for more than one game/round/set without wanting to switch. I just got pro on it this evening after 81 games.

81 games, jeez. I did it in like 7 or so.

Seriously though, how many did it take you? 30-40?

[Bahamut]

Tennis is really the only one I can play for more than one game/round/set without wanting to switch. I just got pro on it this evening after 81 games.

81 games, jeez. I did it in like 7 or so.

Seriously though, how many did it take you? 30-40?

I'm serious. Well 7 matches really, some of them 5 game, some of them 3 game.

I've played tennis for 18 years though.

[Ace-Of-War]

Tennis is really the only one I can play for more than one game/round/set without wanting to switch. I just got pro on it this evening after 81 games.

81 games, jeez. I did it in like 7 or so.

Seriously though, how many did it take you? 30-40?

I'm serious. Well 7 matches really, some of them 5 game, some of them 3 game.

I've played tennis for 18 years though.

Yeah, you said that.

Still pretty impressive though. It took me forever to understand the concept of hitting the ball early/late and what that meant.

[Bahamut]

Ah, I'm used to that because that's what actual tennis is all about. Nothing about the strategy was new to me so it was very easy to pick up.

[atmuh]

Has anyone else seen these?
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9684/wii20sports20packps1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
We got them at work (the wheel doesn't come with it but instead there's a baseball bat attachment) for $25 for all three. It may seem gimicky, and it is, but using the racket attachment actually helps. You can see the orientation of your racket, which helps, and it adds a bit of weight to the remote.

[JoeFu]

Australian and UK Wii owners, maybe the rest of Europe...

ATTENTION!

You have have weather channel now! GO UPDATE.


Us US guys don't get it until later :(

[!Nekko!]

Australian and UK Wii owners, maybe the rest of Europe...

ATTENTION!

You have have weather channel now! GO UPDATE.


Us US guys don't get it until later :(

In under 2 days.

I'm still waiting to try the internet channel and the supposed mp3 channel.

[atmuh]

Australian and UK Wii owners, maybe the rest of Europe...

ATTENTION!

You have have weather channel now! GO UPDATE.


Us US guys don't get it until later :(

In under 2 days.

I'm still waiting to try the internet channel and the supposed mp3 channel.
there IS NO mp3 channel

[KakTheInfected]

Honestly no idea why I'm excited about the weather channel, but I am. Let's just hope it isn't laggy.

[Ninja-san]

I just played wii sports at my friends house. The wii's more awesome than i could imagine. I just couldn't stop playing wii boxing.

[JoeFu]

Reading some impressions, it works fine and it is supposed to have nice and relaxing background music. I'm excited for it too for no reason, just wanna spin the globe.

[atmuh]

I too am excited about spinning the world and finding weather conditions of all of the locations that I will never be at.

[The Damned]

I too am excited about spinning the world and finding weather conditions of all of the locations that I will never be at.
Sort of like Google Earth, but with real-time clouds?

Dude, that's awesome.

[DrEw.]

So I played a wii for the first time tonight. I played Wii Sports and Red Steel. Impressions...

In Wii Sports i tried tennis, boxing and bowling.

Tennis was super fun and we got into some extremely heated rallies, which is good considering i've never played tennis before. It was probably the best game.

Boxing was also very fun, but the nature of the game is that its harder to pick up and play it. I was getting pwned hardcore. The best thing was when i gave it to my mom and dad. My dad beat her to the ground, but my mom came from behind for victory. Totally hilarious to watch.

Bowling was ok... but it was kinda slow just cuz it was bowling. But it all worked fine.

And Red Steel. SOOOO frustrating... but fun in a strange way. I was yelling at the screen the whole time. Like when the enemies say "He's gone!!" every time you duck behind the corner. Or when I was just having a hard time to make my guy do what I wanted. The story was pure cheese in a good way. Its not the amazing game I hoped it would be, but I still got a kick out of it just because it was something new.

So overall I'm very happy. I wish I actualy owned one of these suckers. None of the games I played was fantastic. Wii Sports is definitely a novelty party game, but it was the first time in a while ive had some friends playin and yellin and havin fun like that. Even my parents had a go at it.

[atmuh]

I too am excited about spinning the world and finding weather conditions of all of the locations that I will never be at.
Sort of like Google Earth, but with real-time clouds?

Dude, that's awesome.
who said anything about clouds

[Bigfoot]

Question about component cables..


Is there really a difference in brand? I was going to wait to get the Psyclone brand at work($59.99, but I can get for $21), but it seems like we never have any in transit.


I'm thinking about just ordering ones from Nintendo.

[watkinzez]

Whoa. For something I'll never use, the weather channel has some effort put into it.

Back to bowling.

[KWarp]

When creating the Weather Channel, Nintendo's designers asked, "What would make the weather channel more appealing than a television channel?" and thus the spinny globe was born. I can't wait for the thing. :D

[I-n-j-i-n]

Well, my issue with the 360/PS3 is the fact that both consoles are trying too hard to be PCs at this point. Even though they do have exclusive games that can't be had anywhere else, a lot of their other games can be played on a PC with better controls, and $4-600 is getting a little ridiculous to pay for, what is basically, a gimped PC.

Even Nintendo has started to go in that direction with the Wii (Photo, Weather and News Channel) but at least the price is somewhat reasonable. The DS is probably the only current system I really don't have a problem with when it comes to this.

At the very least, PS3 is. I don't know about the 360 since they're building everything around the Xbox Live service and they are not tacking on online browsers just because they can.

Nintendo is a bit of a mystery with their decision to put in Opera browser and weather reports. It's like they put it in there just to show the competitors that they can do it too.

As for the "reasonable price" issue, I think you're missing the point. You're not really getting gimped on anything with $400-$600 machine which is basically mostly a gaming machine + media centers. And PCs, unless you rig it up with HUNDREDS of dollars of improvements, tends to not be media centers and especially not directly conducive to high definition feed unless, again, you pump hundreds into upgrading it. Maybe add a purely high definition CRT/flatscreen monitor to top it off. That's a few hundreds. I remember like about five years ago, I spent $300 on a single graphics card.

In the VooDoo days, I spent $250 easily on middle-of-the-road graphics cards that became obsolete within about a year. I'll take the 4 or 5 year lifespan of a 360 or PS3 any day in terms of price. Oh, I agree 100% that PCs can do more. But again, I do not see how you can directly correlate the home console, living room experience that can cost a thousand dollars less than emulating the same for a PC.

And I disagree that the gaming control is "not as good as the PC". I mean, I play PC games ALL THE TIME, and there's something good about the fact that all the controls are controllable within two fistfuls of a game controller. And besides, unlike PCs, now gaming consoles are fully wireless. PS3, 360, Wii, all of them. There is no need to do so with PCs since people sit in front of the screen all day anyway.


PS- Why the hell isn't Wii-Play integrated into the Wii itself? Like a free game of sorts? That would've been better than putting Wii-Sports in there IMO.

[Bahamut]

PC game control is overrated.

[KWarp]

DING DING DING!
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m264/Hooters99/punchout04.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m264/Hooters99/punchout02.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m264/Hooters99/punchout01.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m264/Hooters99/punchout06.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m264/Hooters99/punchout03.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m264/Hooters99/punchout05.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m264/Hooters99/punchout07.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m264/Hooters99/punchout08.jpg
lil Mac still kickin' ass! :D

Credit goes to MammaMia12.

[bouncerboy15]

Haha, great pictures.

[KakTheInfected]

At the very least, PS3 is. I don't know about the 360 since they're building everything around the Xbox Live service and they are not tacking on online browsers just because they can.

You do realize that it will probably have a browser before the end of it's lifetime right? Xbox Live is the only thing that seperates it from a PC, but is Xbox Live worth giving up a mouse and keyboard for?

As for the "reasonable price" issue, I think you're missing the point. You're not really getting gimped on anything with $400-$600 machine which is basically mostly a gaming machine + media centers. And PCs, unless you rig it up with HUNDREDS of dollars of improvements, tends to not be media centers and especially not directly conducive to high definition feed unless, again, you pump hundreds into upgrading it. Maybe add a purely high definition CRT/flatscreen monitor to top it off. That's a few hundreds. I remember like about five years ago, I spent $300 on a single graphics card.

Again, you're overestimating the cost of a PC on par with those systems. Will they cost more? Absolutely. Even so, the fact that the PC can do so much more aside from gaming justifies it costing more than a console. Trying to say a console is worth buying because of exclusives is acceptable, but if you're going to try and argue that it's worth it's price at $600, it's just not going to work out in your favor. There is no reason to spend $600 on a system that you can't even play games on while downloading demos.

In the VooDoo days, I spent $250 easily on middle-of-the-road graphics cards that became obsolete within about a year. I'll take the 4 or 5 year lifespan of a 360 or PS3 any day in terms of price. Oh, I agree 100% that PCs can do more. But again, I do not see how you can directly correlate the home console, living room experience that can cost a thousand dollars less than emulating the same for a PC.

But you realize, those console graphics get outdated every time a new line of video cards is released too. It's not like they're magically going to stay on par with PC visuals as more powerful CPUs and video cards come. I don't know about you, but I don't like the idea of paying so much for a system that I can't upgrade in the future.

That said, when the 360 price drop comes, I'll probably get one. Right now, $400 is an awful lot to pay for Xbox Live and graphics that will look old a year from now.

And I disagree that the gaming control is "not as good as the PC". I mean, I play PC games ALL THE TIME, and there's something good about the fact that all the controls are controllable within two fistfuls of a game controller. And besides, unlike PCs, now gaming consoles are fully wireless. PS3, 360, Wii, all of them. There is no need to do so with PCs since people sit in front of the screen all day anyway.

There are very few genres a console controller does better than a mouse/keyboard (fighting games, for example), but for the most part, you absolutely cannot beat a PC when it comes to controls.

Why would I want to play FPS on 360 when I could have precise aiming? Why would I play an RTS on the PS3 when I could just use a mouse to accurately select and target units? Why would *anyone* play GTA on a console when you have to use that god awful aiming system? Most PC games are so complex and use so many keys that, quite frankly, it would just be impossible to play them using a joypad.

And you're absolutely right about the wireless thing, but the fact of the matter is, wireless keyboards and mice *are* available. I rarely play PC games on my monitor anymore, unless it's an FPS because they're just easier to play sitting closer to the screen.

[Neo-Egyptian]

Sorry to interject, but the Forecast channel is indeed awesome, it's nice to see a lot of effort has been put into it. I doubt it's going to tear me away from Zelda any time soon, but the 'big spinny globe' feature is pretty cool, particularly as you can spin the glob and then release the A button and watch it continue to spin like some kind of ridiculously ornate marble :P

[Smoke]

Yeah, I just got the update too. It's rather fancy, although the actual weather info seems to be slightly outdated most of the time. And the channel has good music(Different between local weather and globe), all nice and relaxing stuff.

For those wondering how it works: When the weather channel is first started, it'll ask you for your region/state/province based on the country selection in the Wii itself. Once you select a region, you can select the nearest city from a list to get the weather for that place. It'll then switch to the main weather screen, where you'll see 'current' temperature, wind speed and weather conditions(Clear, cloudy, rain, snow, all that stuff). You can go up for the UV index, but also check the all-day forecast, tomorrow's forecast and a 5-day index.

Once you hit up the globe, you can pan around the planet and select cities to see their weather. By default, the current sky condition is displayed. You can switch to current temperature, today's forecast, today's high, tomorrow's forecast and tomorrow's high.

The overall interface is a lot like the Photo Channel in terms of layout and screen elements.

[Arek the Absolute]

why the hell do you guys get it before us but we have had the wii longer
if anything it should have launched for everyone on the same day
unless smoke was lying to me about that cause i have yet to check considering my wii is in its box because i took it to berkeley and just got back

[Smoke]

The US gets it tomorrow. They've most likely spread it out a bit to avoid the risk of the entire world downloading the update at once.

[KakTheInfected]

It's available in the US right now. It's pretty cool, but I can't see it replacing good ol' weather.com

[Arek the Absolute]

sweeet

[Hellcom]

GAAAAAAAAH!

I STILL DON'T HAVE A WII!

Tell me about it. :roll:

same.

Your Order has been shipped

YAY!

If you don't mind me asking, how did you manage to order it online? All the stores I know of were sold out.

It was a late pre-order (early November-ish). My initial pre-order was cancelled when the business I ordered from (lik-sang) closed down. My pre-order must be one of the last to be fulfilled.

[watkinzez]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=152528&skip=yes

What was that about March? :lol:

[Arek the Absolute]

"Reliable sources close to Nintendo have told CVG that Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption on Wii, and Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass on DS will not see light of day until Christmas 2007."
I call bullshit until official word.

[KakTheInfected]

We know Zelda was delayed and Mario almost certainly won't be out until Christmas, but I don't buy them telling us Metroid won't be out until late next year.

[watkinzez]

Heh, fair enough. I like to keep my expectations low. :)

[Arek the Absolute]

Excerpt from the ds release list section of site wat linked:

here are dozens more, too. Check the list:

* Children of Mana (Nintendo) - 12th Jan

qua?
i believe that that is a eu only site, which means we over here in the us still get it way earlier than you. March here we come aka pwnt

[CE]

Excerpt from the ds release list section of site wat linked:

here are dozens more, too. Check the list:

* Children of Mana (Nintendo) - 12th Jan

qua?
i believe that that is a eu only site, which means we over here in the us still get it way earlier than you. March here we come aka pwnt

They can't afford to hold back all those heavy hitters until Christmas. Brawl will come out somewhere in February/March. Add one month, give or take, for EU release. Prime will follow soon. Mario will most likely be a post summer release along with Phantom Hourglass. I couldn't care less about Children of Mana. DS titles are a moot point anyway, I import most of them from yankee land anyway.

[Fire in the Hole]

Excerpt from the ds release list section of site wat linked:

here are dozens more, too. Check the list:

* Children of Mana (Nintendo) - 12th Jan

qua?
i believe that that is a eu only site, which means we over here in the us still get it way earlier than you. March here we come aka pwnt

They can't afford to hold back all those heavy hitters until Christmas. Brawl will come out somewhere in February/March. Add one month, give or take, for EU release. Prime will follow soon. Mario will most likely be a post summer release along with Phantom Hourglass. I couldn't care less about Children of Mana. DS titles are a moot point anyway, I import most of them from yankee land anyway.

You're kidding, right? Prime comes before Brawl. Remember that it was originally slated to launch.

[Bahamut]

So, because I signed up for Amazon.com's random thingy to buy a Wii, somehow I beat the odds and was randomly selected to buy one (the odds were 1 out of 28 I think). Yay for ebay?

[Funkoid]

BWA HA HA!!! BOW DOWN MORTALS, FOR I AM YOUR GOD!!

::spins globe::

Did anyone zoom in on Japan? One of the spots to pop up was Osaka, which immediately made me think of of Azumanga.

On a side note, why did they not make the 'B' button the Back button for the Weather controls? That seems downright silly...

[The Damned]

On a side note, why did they not make the 'B' button the Back button for the Weather controls? That seems downright silly...
Because the B button is a trigger. You use a trigger to make things happen, not unhappen.

Unless you want to unhappen a person, then it's all fine and good.

[The Mutericator]

"Reliable sources close to Nintendo have told CVG that Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption on Wii, and Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass on DS will not see light of day until Christmas 2007."
I call bullshit until official word.

I second bullshit. Prime 3 was on track to be at Wii launch, it won't take more than a couple of extra months to finish it completely.

On a side note, why did they not make the 'B' button the Back button for the Weather controls? That seems downright silly...
Because the B button is a trigger. You use a trigger to make things happen, not unhappen.

Unless you want to unhappen a person, then it's all fine and good.

The Belgariad tells us you can't unmake something, or the universe will unmake you.

EDIT: Oh, I get it. You mean killing them. Right. Gotcha.

[Funkoid]

On a side note, why did they not make the 'B' button the Back button for the Weather controls? That seems downright silly...
Because the B button is a trigger. You use a trigger to make things happen, not unhappen.

Unless you want to unhappen a person, then it's all fine and good.

I was gonna argue against this, but that last sentence was so good, I'm just gonna concede now.

[Doulifée]

On a side note, why did they not make the 'B' button the Back button for the Weather controls? That seems downright silly...
Because the B button is a trigger. You use a trigger to make things happen, not unhappen.

Unless you want to unhappen a person, then it's all fine and good.

I was gonna argue against this, but that last sentence was so good, I'm just gonna concede now.

it's a back button at twilight princess -_-

[JoeFu]

Weather channel is fun. I like the music.

[Bigfoot]

"Reliable sources close to Nintendo have told CVG that Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption on Wii, and Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass on DS will not see light of day until Christmas 2007."
I call bullshit until official word.

Yeah, don't you love how they never provide the sources.



Also, again:
Question about component cables..


Is there really a difference in brand? I was going to wait to get the Psyclone brand at work($59.99, but I can get for $21), but it seems like we never have any in transit.


I'm thinking about just ordering ones from Nintendo.

[JoeFu]

http://www.opera.com/img/products/devices/nintendo/wii/releasedate_comic.gif

[CE]

And for Europe? I look forward to posting in a Wii.

[JoeFu]

Same date. Should be, maybe even earlier for you guys. You guys did get weather channel before us.

[Penfold]

Yay for ebay?

Boo for eBay.

[Kitsuta]

That comic is awesome and I want a link to any website that features it or has more.

[Bahamut]

Yay for ebay?

Boo for eBay.

Actually, I just sold it to Taucer for $260 and I will personally hand it to him at the meetup.

[Kitsuta]

Yay for ebay?

Boo for eBay.

Actually, I just sold it to Taucer for $260 and I will personally hand it to him at the meetup.

!!!

You mean we'll have a Wii for Magfest?

I know which hotel room I'll be hanging out the most in! (lawlz like I wasn't already gonna hang out with OCR)

EDIT: Oops, I thought you meant the OCR meetup at Magfest, not NYC.

[Bahamut]

Yay for ebay?

Boo for eBay.

Actually, I just sold it to Taucer for $260 and I will personally hand it to him at the meetup.

!!!

You mean we'll have a Wii for Magfest?

I know which hotel room I'll be hanging out the most in! (lawlz like I wasn't already gonna hang out with OCR)

EDIT: Oops, I thought you meant the OCR meetup at Magfest, not NYC.

I own a Wii too and will be bringing it to MAGfest :P . I'm pretty sure they mentioned that they will have Wiis for playing there though.

[Red Shadow]

That comic is awesome and I want a link to any website that features it or has more.
check the source of the image

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Bahamut is officially my hero, and I will hump his leg vigorously next time I see him.

[Bahamut]

Just make sure to stockpile a bunch of cash for the Nintendo World store, they have a lot of hard to find Wii accessories if what Atma has said is right. Now the only question left to solve is whether you want it on the 27th or the 28th...?

[atmuh]

Just make sure to stockpile a bunch of cash for the Nintendo World store, they have a lot of hard to find Wii accessories if what Atma has said is right. Now the only question left to solve is whether you want it on the 27th or the 28th...?
Just to clear that up, I stopped in there today. They were completely out of wiimotes/nunchucks (I'd think they will be restocked with plenty by the 28th) but there were 3 full huge shelves of classic controllers.

[The Damned]

Also, again:
Question about component cables..

Is there really a difference in brand? I was going to wait to get the Psyclone brand at work($59.99, but I can get for $21), but it seems like we never have any in transit.

I'm thinking about just ordering ones from Nintendo.
Component cables are component cables. You're basically paying for names at this point. Any differences between the Nintendo ones and third-party ones are going to be too small to notice.

[supremespleen]

so it doesn't seem like there are any other games coming out ever

seriously

[Smoke]

Okay, turns out you can make the world vanish in the Forecast Channel:

Go to Forecast Channel, select the Globe, press the Home button, select the Operations Guide, wait for it to be displayed, and hit Home again.

It will appear again after a brief moment, but it's weird to see.

[JoeFu]

so it doesn't seem like there are any other games coming out ever

seriously

Wario Ware is out next month. That is awesome for some fun, but I agree, kinda dry but the first quarter of video games always suck, other than when RE4 came out.

Still, I think those rumors are for Europe and I hope to see Metroid Prime 3 in 4 months.

[!Nekko!]

Blah on my temperamental wireless router. For some reason I periodically lose a connection. I lost a connection while updating my Wii and its stuck at the update screen even though I got my router kicked back into place. I don't wanna hurt anything by turning the Wii off =|.

[Bahamut]

so it doesn't seem like there are any other games coming out ever

seriously

Wario Ware is out next month. That is awesome for some fun, but I agree, kinda dry but the first quarter of video games always suck, other than when RE4 came out.

Still, I think those rumors are for Europe and I hope to see Metroid Prime 3 in 4 months.

We get Wii Play too soon, which is a bargain!

[Soma]

Blah on my temperamental wireless router. For some reason I periodically lose a connection. I lost a connection while updating my Wii and its stuck at the update screen even though I got my router kicked back into place. I don't wanna hurt anything by turning the Wii off =|. I had that same problem for awhile, what worked me was changing the wireless channel. depends what kind of router you have, but i've got a linksys. Just go into your configuration, type that IP number into your webbrowser.. think the linksys one is 192.168.1.1 then go to wireless chanels or something like that, and i think theres 8 to select from but i forget which mine is on, but it works now.

[JoeFu]

so it doesn't seem like there are any other games coming out ever

seriously

Wario Ware is out next month. That is awesome for some fun, but I agree, kinda dry but the first quarter of video games always suck, other than when RE4 came out.

Still, I think those rumors are for Europe and I hope to see Metroid Prime 3 in 4 months.

We get Wii Play too soon, which is a bargain!

Yup, ten dollar games are always worth it!

[Bahamut]

I'm not sure if its been posted, but Opera browser on Friday.

[Fire in the Hole]

I'm not sure if its been posted, but Opera browser on Friday.

ya we heard

[Amayirot Akago]

Anybody in the Netherlands care to list what games are currently available on VC? Just curious.

[KakTheInfected]

So I finally get to check out more of the Forecast Channel and it gives me the weather for...1pm EST.

Hopefully they speed this thing up soon.

[Bigfoot]

Well, as usual, Nintendo's stuff can take a beating.


I was playing Smash Bros., and the dog has the obsession of looking out every window constantly in the house. She walked by, hit the cord and make the Wii fall over off of my TV stand. The game didn't freeze or anything, and there's nothing wrong with it.

[The Author]

Well, as usual, Nintendo's stuff can take a beating.


I was playing Smash Bros., and the dog has the obsession of looking out every window constantly in the house. She walked by, hit the cord and make the Wii fall over off of my TV stand. The game didn't freeze or anything, and there's nothing wrong with it.

So then you punched the dog in the head about four times and threw it in a chair... then put her to bed and lied about the dog falling on a barbell?

[Penfold]

Yay for ebay?

Boo for eBay.

Actually, I just sold it to Taucer for $260 and I will personally hand it to him at the meetup.

That's awesome (I'm not a big fan of scalping, what with a bunch of friends wanting Wiis and not being able to find them, so I'm glad to hear you aren't scalping it).

Anyway, I kinda echo the sentiment about the lack of games right now. Now that I beat Zelda, I kinda wish for another meaty game experience on the Wii (as much as I like my pick up and play games, I always like to be playing through one or two longer games at the same time). Especially for that reason, I'm hoping for like Super Metroid and some of my other favorites to make it to the VC soon.

On the topic of the VC, I kinda hope they change the layout so they make a channel for your dl'd games as opposed to taking up a channel space for each game. They could order it just as they have it on the shop channel, where you could look at all your games or arrange aphabetically, by original console, or by most-recently acquired. To have the option of also placing as many or as few dl'd games as you want onto the main menu would be nice IMO. I also hope they change it so we can hook up an external harddrive, so we don't have to be limited any longer to 512mb of space (even to be able to dl games to SD card would be helpful, cuz right now using the SD card seems to be limited to holding pictures for the photo channel, MP3s for use with slideshows or playing Excite Truck, and a backup for saves).

[I-n-j-i-n]

You do realize that it will probably have a browser before the end of it's lifetime right? Xbox Live is the only thing that seperates it from a PC, but is Xbox Live worth giving up a mouse and keyboard for?

Even then, the feature are built around what is essentially a gaming console when it's all said and done. Could be said the same with the PS3 and the Wii if they build the online features just right. And this is detrimental to the systems, how? Because when it's all said and done, it's still way cheaper than the typical PC/Laptop, etcetera with equivalent features. Simply put, you get what you pay for. A PC isn't a home console and a home console isn't a PC. Yes, they both seems to be merging in terms of features, but a gaming console was a computer even in the Atari days. It's simply getting more powerful and the multimedia functionality is becoming more important. Including all the social networking that is prevalent and apparently Xbox Live is picking up on that. Sony and Nintendo probably looking at that template and following up as well. Surely a lot of that can be influenced by the PC, but I don't think their goal is to "become PCs" here. It's to simply branch out the capabilities of their consoles.

Again, you're overestimating the cost of a PC on par with those systems. Will they cost more? Absolutely. Even so, the fact that the PC can do so much more aside from gaming justifies it costing more than a console. Trying to say a console is worth buying because of exclusives is acceptable, but if you're going to try and argue that it's worth it's price at $600, it's just not going to work out in your favor. There is no reason to spend $600 on a system that you can't even play games on while downloading demos.

That line of logic is simply faulty since you say that you're getting "gimped" in systems that do less than a PC? Well, you're paying for something that is mostly a gaming console. Of COURSE it's cheaper. I don't see your case that whether a $500 system is a total ripoff like you're implying.

But you realize, those console graphics get outdated every time a new line of video cards is released too. It's not like they're magically going to stay on par with PC visuals as more powerful CPUs and video cards come. I don't know about you, but I don't like the idea of paying so much for a system that I can't upgrade in the future.

I like systems that have a great shelf life and without the constant need for hardware updates that cost in the hundreds if I am to play every new fad of a PC game each time. And I'm tempted to do so all the time. It doesn't even lend itself to some specific generations of PCs either. It's pretty constant with PC gaming. That is why it has gotten the hardcore moniker because it basically is a more hardcore option.

There are very few genres a console controller does better than a mouse/keyboard (fighting games, for example), but for the most part, you absolutely cannot beat a PC when it comes to controls.

You're missing out on the easy to access games such as sports titles that can be perfectly playable or even downright preferable with analog sticks. Or 3rd person action games that doesn't require some pinpoint precision all the time or a hundred keys for input. Or a puzzle game that rarely needs more than a joystick, or a platformer, or a bemani-music/dance games, light action titles, etcetera.

Why would I want to play FPS on 360 when I could have precise aiming? Why would I play an RTS on the PS3 when I could just use a mouse to accurately select and target units? Why would *anyone* play GTA on a console when you have to use that god awful aiming system? Most PC games are so complex and use so many keys that, quite frankly, it would just be impossible to play them using a joypad.

The complexity in itself is a daunting thing in itself as I see it. With most FPS games nowadays on consoles, it's usually the Halo controls, so it's pretty much pick up and play at this point. And you say that it's "inaccurate", but there's plenty of tournament caliber players who can use analog sticks like wizards and they can probably compete on pretty much an even keel as some PC FPS gamer. And I personally never have problems with the accuracy of an analog stick. You say you do, and I think it's just a matter of preference and not some objective fact that whichever is necessarily superior.

And you're absolutely right about the wireless thing, but the fact of the matter is, wireless keyboards and mice *are* available. I rarely play PC games on my monitor anymore, unless it's an FPS because they're just easier to play sitting closer to the screen.

Which reminds me of how silly wireless mouse and keyboards really are. I never understood the reason why they even exist.

[Petara]

Well, as usual, Nintendo's stuff can take a beating.


I was playing Smash Bros., and the dog has the obsession of looking out every window constantly in the house. She walked by, hit the cord and make the Wii fall over off of my TV stand. The game didn't freeze or anything, and there's nothing wrong with it.

So then you punched the dog in the head about four times and threw it in a chair... then put her to bed and lied about the dog falling on a barbell?

You just had to bring that back up, didn't you. It still makes me feel sick on the inside.

[!Nekko!]

I'm not sure if its been posted, but Opera browser on Friday.

ya we heard

http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/12/19/
Link for proof. Straight from Opera themselves.

[JoeFu]

Yeah, the comic I posted a few pages ago was from opera.

[DaveJ41]

The reason the wii (and other nintendo consoles for that matter) are hard to break is because they're the primary consoles for young kids. Meaning, it has to withstand what little kids do to them.

[Bigfoot]

Well, here it is:


Green Welling LLP Files Class Action Lawsuit Against Nintendo of America for Defective Nature of the Nintendo Wii Wrist Strap for the Nintendo Game Console. (http://www.classcounsel.com/news/nintendo.html)

edit: oh n/m, this is old lol

[KWarp]

Or maybe Nintendo makes us pay for a good product? :roll:

I'm interested and afraid to see how the Wii browser works. After all, internet browsers are the number one most likely way to obtain spyware. It's probably why Xbox Live doesn't have one. Then again, Wii's hardware should be so alien from anything else that there won't be issues for a while.

[KWarp]

Nintendo has a Christmas present for Wii owners. Take a peek in the closet if you want, but you'll feel bad.

Possibly a glitch, but right now Super Mario Bros, R-Type, and Toejam&Earl are listed as free VC titles. PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN right right...

mikepiontek.com/journal/uploads/nintendo/mario.gif
mikepiontek.com/journal/uploads/nintendo/r-type.gif
mikepiontek.com/journal/uploads/nintendo/toejam.gif

[The Mac Attack]

Nintendo has a Christmas present for Wii owners. Take a peek in the closet if you want, but you'll feel bad.

Possibly a glitch, but right now Super Mario Bros, R-Type, and Toejam&Earl are listed as free VC titles. PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN right right...

mikepiontek.com/journal/uploads/nintendo/mario.gif
mikepiontek.com/journal/uploads/nintendo/r-type.gif
mikepiontek.com/journal/uploads/nintendo/toejam.gif


But don't all VC games say they're free when you look at them through a browser? :?

[TCK]

Which reminds me of how silly wireless mouse and keyboards really are. I never understood the reason why they even exist.Because otherwise I wouldn't be typing this from the comfort of my own bed. It's not a necessity, but it's definitely convenient.

[Ace-Of-War]

Which reminds me of how silly wireless mouse and keyboards really are. I never understood the reason why they even exist.Because otherwise I wouldn't be typing this from the comfort of my own bed. It's not a necessity, but it's definitely convenient.

How do you see the damn screen?

[Ruth Loose]

Or maybe Nintendo makes us pay for a good product? :roll:

I'm interested and afraid to see how the Wii browser works. After all, internet browsers are the number one most likely way to obtain spyware. It's probably why Xbox Live doesn't have one. Then again, Wii's hardware should be so alien from anything else that there won't be issues for a while.

Is the browser tied to the internal memory in any manner? If not, I can't see how the spyware can save itself to your Wii...

[TCK]

Which reminds me of how silly wireless mouse and keyboards really are. I never understood the reason why they even exist.Because otherwise I wouldn't be typing this from the comfort of my own bed. It's not a necessity, but it's definitely convenient.

How do you see the damn screen?Resolution change.

[Ace-Of-War]

Which reminds me of how silly wireless mouse and keyboards really are. I never understood the reason why they even exist.Because otherwise I wouldn't be typing this from the comfort of my own bed. It's not a necessity, but it's definitely convenient.

How do you see the damn screen?Resolution change.
Maybe it's because my monitor is ten feet away from the foot of my bed, but I can't make out anything from that far away. Magnifying it is really annoying.

If I had a wireless signal here, I would totally bring my laptop to my bed though.

[SilverStar]

Or maybe Nintendo makes us pay for a good product? :roll:

I'm interested and afraid to see how the Wii browser works. After all, internet browsers are the number one most likely way to obtain spyware. It's probably why Xbox Live doesn't have one. Then again, Wii's hardware should be so alien from anything else that there won't be issues for a while.

Is the browser tied to the internal memory in any manner? If not, I can't see how the spyware can save itself to your Wii...

I don't remember the DC ever having any issues at all with Spyware, and that had a browser just fine.

Then again, the Wii is using Opera(I really think they should have gone for Firefox. Adblock and other handy extensions FTW), which means it has some mainstream street cred as a target for hacking.

Who knows? Maybe we'll see other companies come along with their own custom browsers, so you could choose between Opera or whatever crappy Planetweb hackjob, included right in the game itself(like with PSO on the GC and a few other games on the DC..)?

[KWarp]

I think I've read enough to make a prediction: Metroid Prime 3's release date will be announced in Q1 2007, and it will have an online component, probably multiplayer.

Nintendo has a Christmas present for Wii owners. Take a peek in the closet if you want, but you'll feel bad.

Possibly a glitch, but right now Super Mario Bros, R-Type, and Toejam&Earl are listed as free VC titles. PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN right right...

mikepiontek.com/journal/uploads/nintendo/mario.gif
mikepiontek.com/journal/uploads/nintendo/r-type.gif
mikepiontek.com/journal/uploads/nintendo/toejam.gif


But don't all VC games say they're free when you look at them through a browser? :?
Yeah that's true. We probably will have to pay for them. I guess they'll remain a rumor until next monday.

[Ace-Of-War]

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/present.php?p=Wii-Internals

Dissecting the Wii-mote. Interesting for those really into hardware specs.

[Power Surge]

In the last thread, someone posted links to rechargeable batteries and a USB-powered charger. To my knowledge, the Wii doesn't support USB devices the same way PCs do as of yet, but can USB-powered devices still receive power from the Wii's USB ports? I'll be going through a lot of batteries in the long run if I stick with alkalines, so I'll need rechargeables.

[atmuh]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2581645410431075627&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=de
I found this cool.

[Steben]

In the last thread, someone posted links to rechargeable batteries and a USB-powered charger. To my knowledge, the Wii doesn't support USB devices the same way PCs do as of yet, but can USB-powered devices still receive power from the Wii's USB ports? I'll be going through a lot of batteries in the long run if I stick with alkalines, so I'll need rechargeables.
The Wii should still provide power to any USB device that's connected to it, even if it can't use the device itself.

[Zipp]

So what's the longest anyone waited in line for a Wii? I waited 17 hours on the day before the launch.

The line was awesome, we played DS games and ate pizza and someone brought a portable generator so we could play smash brothers.

[Dark Chocobo]

So what's the longest anyone waited in line for a Wii? I waited 17 hours on the day before the launch.

The line was awesome, we played DS games and ate pizza and someone brought a portable generator so we could play smash brothers.

15 minutes. Thank God for pre-orders.

[Bigfoot]

Gaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy Wiiplay has been pushed back to Feb 07.

http://gonintendo.com/?p=10645

It's barely a month, but still.

[Fire in the Hole]

So what's the longest anyone waited in line for a Wii? I waited 17 hours on the day before the launch.

The line was awesome, we played DS games and ate pizza and someone brought a portable generator so we could play smash brothers.

15 minutes. Thank God for pre-orders.

0 seconds

[Hale-Bopp]

So what's the longest anyone waited in line for a Wii?

5 hours on Black Friday. My fiancee and I got to the mall around midnight and relaxed in the car until about 4am, playing DS games and eating snacks. We got into the mall past security and waited in front of Gamestop until it opened at 5 am to score #1 of 4 Wiis.

[Merk]

19 Hours in front of Best Buy for me.

So I was talking with my friend from Australia who knows she's getting Wii. I told her to fill out the replacement strap thing in the meantime. However, that's only for the US and Canada. Did everyone else get better straps with their Wiis, or is there somewhere else to go?

[Bahamut]

18 hours in front of Target. Oddly enough though, I got another Wii in the mail to arrive tomorrow (from Amazon.com), but this one is going to Taucer.

[atmuh]

18 hours in front of the Times Square Toys R Us despite the fact that I had a preorder both there and at Nintendo World.

[The Damned]

I think I had to spend about two hours outside, and then twenty or another 30 to 45 minutes inside. Luckily, they announced that only the pre-orders could go in first, which led to a lot of unhappy people walking out of the line. This freed up the line quite a bit.

[weggy]

So what's the longest anyone waited in line for a Wii? I waited 17 hours on the day before the launch.

No preorder - about 30 minutes, then they came and handed out vouchers to let you buy them at midnight. So my buddies and I drove home, came back 5 hours later, and probably waited in line about 20 minutes.

I remember the Gamecube one was even easier... showed up about 1 hour prior to midnight. Nintendo always seems to have plenty of consoles at launch. Though now, theres a massive shortage of them around here as everyone is snatching them up for christmas, I suppose.

[Sag Ee Mana]

Gaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy Wiiplay has been pushed back to Feb 07.

http://gonintendo.com/?p=10645

It's barely a month, but still.

Funny thing, in Europe, at launch last dec 8,if we wanted a second wiimote, we HAD to buy WiiPlay.
Thing I'm happy to own, because of the billiard and the little war game :P

And... no waiting, because of pre-order (3 months earlier). Now I think, if I haven't preordered my Wii, maybe I could try to get one in a hypermarket, but I think it was better to stay home. Pre-order rulz here ! The game shops get some Wii during December, but it's only for those who have preordered it and are still waiting (because the number of Wii was too low at launch)

i spent some time to earn my platinum medal at billiards. no it's done. Not pro at baseball, it's not the type of known sport around here, and i suck at it. Razz

Reverence for the billiard. But about the base-ball, I'll manage soon with the Phoenix Wright and OCR Miis :lol:

[Ace-Of-War]

About an hour, I went on a Sunday that was little bit after the launch but still before the Wii Christmas fever set in.

[Kitsuta]

I hate you all.

I almost regret staying at home on launch day(damn you, virii!). But then I think of how I was stupid and ended up being really ill for six months straight because I didn't take care of myself.

That doesn't make me less jealous of you guys, though. :lol:

[Sag Ee Mana]

I hate you all.

I almost regret staying at home on launch day(damn you, virii!). But then I think of how I was stupid and ended up being really ill for six months straight because I didn't take care of myself.

That doesn't make me less jealous of you guys, though. :lol:

At least you know what is the most important :wink:

[Power Surge]

I waited about 45 minutes outside Nintendo World on the 20th with no preorder. They had 2 big piles of Wiis; about 50 - 70 or so in all.

Also, anyone know where I can buy a USB-powered battery charger? One that uses a plug is still fine, but I'd prefer a USB-powered one so that I don't have to deal with outlets when I travel with my family. The hotels we stay in don't have many outlets, and the ones that are within reach are taken up by cell phone chargers, a portable DVD player, and other stuff; it's hard enough to find a spot to charge my DS.

[KWarp]

I arrived to the launch event at Universal Citywalk about six hours early, but I only got into a preorder line around 3 hours before I snatched a Wii (including post-midnight waiting).

Damn fine night actually. I have lots of pictures and videos (great material for the photo channel actually). Would anyone like me to put the stuff online? :)

[I-n-j-i-n]

Online shopping >>>>>>>> real life shopping.

[linkspast]

Online shopping >>>>>>>> real life shopping.

QFE
except for shipping... Nothing beats getting goods in the mail.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Sorta, kinda, maybe relevant picture about the infinitely superior PC controls:

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8766/1166606954520hd7.jpg

[SilverStar]

Honestly? That would be an awesome way to play quite a few 360 games. Assuming you could get it to behave properly using the mouselook.

Overall, as a game solution, the 360 beats the PC, hands-down, for a few reasons including the Live system.

Too bad PC games weren't that easy to get up and running, online. A single, big, unified system, where ALL the games use the same methods. Simple, easy to navigate.. unfortunately, the PC sector has been far too much, "We'll do it our way, you do it yours and neither will be better. Unless you're EA, then you just suck balls."

[KakTheInfected]

Sorta, kinda, maybe relevant picture about the infinitely superior PC controls:

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8766/1166606954520hd7.jpg

Unfortuntaely, 360 games are designed to use a controller. Using a mouse would make them too easy (remember the Resistance guys said the same thing about using a mouse with the game on PS3? that alone should tell you how much better a mouse is over a joystick).

Besides, $80 is a bit steep for hardware that isn't fully supported.

[CE]

Guys, if Wii Play has been pushed to Feb 07 there, drop it. You'll probably have another Wiimote by then, and it's really the only reason to buy it. The games are fun, but none seem to have the lasting appeal of Wii Sports.

[mecca]

I lost my copy of Wii Play amongst the excitement of throwing the packaging everywhere.

I'm not too pissed though, I have monkeyball, zelda and sports so I'm not missing out on minigames :)

What's the point of a Wii Console Number? What can be done with it?

[Doulifée]

I lost my copy of Wii Play amongst the excitement of throwing the packaging everywhere.

I'm not too pissed though, I have monkeyball, zelda and sports so I'm not missing out on minigames :)

What's the point of a Wii Console Number? What can be done with it?

right now, Mii exchange and email. more later i suppose.

[Smoke]

In the last thread, someone posted links to rechargeable batteries and a USB-powered charger. To my knowledge, the Wii doesn't support USB devices the same way PCs do as of yet, but can USB-powered devices still receive power from the Wii's USB ports? I'll be going through a lot of batteries in the long run if I stick with alkalines, so I'll need rechargeables.
The Wii should still provide power to any USB device that's connected to it, even if it can't use the device itself.

This is true. My cellphone has a MiniUSB port for both synchronizing and charging, and I can charge it with my USB cable on the Wii. I also have a cheapass card reader, and it can be powered by Wii as well(Just not used) Also, a 360 controller hooked up to a Wii will result in the ring flashing, indicating that it gets power as well.

[Thalzon]

I got mine on Monday. My dad vacuumed upthe sensor bar cord, destroying it, on Tuesday. I ordered a new one, but it won't be here until next week at the earliest.

Looks like it's candles for me. X(

[The Author]

Genius. Candles would work. It's IR light emission because of all the heat.


GENIUS.

[kidThunder]

i've took a glimpse at it and played THDJ...it's hard, but cool...then, my brother was playing Wii Sports bowling and that was awesome. But I say, some of the Wii launch games like Red Steel was a piece of shit...but I'm getting that game anyway when I get the Wii. TP is definitely a MUST-HAVE...and many more titles on the wii...though I won't be able to get it now, because I am broke and if i did have the money, i wouldn't be able to get it, because they are all sold out. On the long run, I say Wii will kick ass...and to let you know, if the virtual console feature on there doesn't surprise you, then you suck!!

[Fire in the Hole]

What.

[Bahamut]

English motherfucker! Do you speak it?

[CE]

A friend came over and I was showing him the wii and shit and we were playing different games. So I play Wii Sports, everything fine. I play Wii Play, everything fine, before he came over, my bro was playing Twilight Princess, everything fine. When I put in the TP disk to show him the Zelda glory, it gives me the disk read error screen.
I think "well, alright, I'll just clean it"
I do, try again, nothing.
Again, nothing.
Different disks, including the Melee one, nothing.
After an hour of not reading disks, the sound is suddenly fucked up too. Now every time it plays any sound, from music to sound effects, it spews out static noise. Irritating static noise.

FUCK!

God, why do I have this compelling need to buy stuff at launch? OH! I KNOW! I WAS WAITING FOR ZELDA FOR 300 YEARS!

D:<

Goddammit!

I'm going to Nintendo's distributor here first thing in the morning! I'm getting this Wii replaced, and the data transferred! I'm just kinda sad it won't be the same Wii. We've had good times.

: (

I'm pissed off now!

[supremespleen]

CE, that sucks. That better not happen to my Wii this Christmas.


That would really, really be terrible.

[KakTheInfected]

My Wii is too awesome to break.

*knock knock*

[Bahamut]

My Wii has survived 4 plane trips already <3.

[CE]

Seriously, it's like it just sat there, pouted and wouldn't read disks anymore. I didn't even do anything different. It didn't fall, it didn't overheat, nothing!

Just random!

Damn!

[Dark Chocobo]

I don't like him anymore. :(

Seriously though, that sucks. If y'all remember Shas'Vre, he's on his third Wii. The other two just quit on him, like yours did. A rather big stroke of bad luck. Mine's working fine, although the wireless was a pain to set up. Stupid D-Link.

[Amayirot Akago]

My parents rock. They gave me a bunch of cash as a Christmas present, enough for me to get Wii Play + extra nunchuk with my Wii :D

Of course, I'm getting ahead of myself as usual... still waiting till the damn thing is back in stores.

[The Damned]

TO THOSE IN NORTH AMERICA WHO ARE STILL TRYING TO GET A WII:

Toys R Us is supposed to be getting a very large shipment (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/toys-r-us-getting-thousands-of-ps3s-wiis-this-week-223413.php) this week. This may be your chance. Get your money and go to your nearest Toys R Us store, or go to the Toys R Us online store.

[Adam_Slight]

A friend came over and I was showing him the wii and shit and we were playing different games. So I play Wii Sports, everything fine. I play Wii Play, everything fine, before he came over, my bro was playing Twilight Princess, everything fine. When I put in the TP disk to show him the Zelda glory, it gives me the disk read error screen.
I think "well, alright, I'll just clean it"
I do, try again, nothing.
Again, nothing.
Different disks, including the Melee one, nothing.
After an hour of not reading disks, the sound is suddenly fucked up too. Now every time it plays any sound, from music to sound effects, it spews out static noise. Irritating static noise.

FUCK!

God, why do I have this compelling need to buy stuff at launch? OH! I KNOW! I WAS WAITING FOR ZELDA FOR 300 YEARS!

D:<

Goddammit!

I'm going to Nintendo's distributor here first thing in the morning! I'm getting this Wii replaced, and the data transferred! I'm just kinda sad it won't be the same Wii. We've had good times.

: (

I'm pissed off now!

Same thing happened to me, so I exchanged the Wii and now only Zelda doesn't work at certain points...so I called Nintendo and told me I need to exchange the game!

I'm a big fan of the durability of Nintendo products. I got a snes, N64 and DS at launch and they've all lasted me, but Wii has been letting me down in that regard.

[Bigfoot]

The only game that my Wii has problems reading is Wii Sports. Sometimes it take a good 4-5 times to read it.

[Arek the Absolute]

globe music + rain bg sfx
soothing...

[Smoke]

A friend came over and I was showing him the wii and shit and we were playing different games. So I play Wii Sports, everything fine. I play Wii Play, everything fine, before he came over, my bro was playing Twilight Princess, everything fine. When I put in the TP disk to show him the Zelda glory, it gives me the disk read error screen.
I think "well, alright, I'll just clean it"
I do, try again, nothing.
Again, nothing.
Different disks, including the Melee one, nothing.
After an hour of not reading disks, the sound is suddenly fucked up too. Now every time it plays any sound, from music to sound effects, it spews out static noise. Irritating static noise.

FUCK!

God, why do I have this compelling need to buy stuff at launch? OH! I KNOW! I WAS WAITING FOR ZELDA FOR 300 YEARS!

D:<

Goddammit!

I'm going to Nintendo's distributor here first thing in the morning! I'm getting this Wii replaced, and the data transferred! I'm just kinda sad it won't be the same Wii. We've had good times.

: (

I'm pissed off now!

Did you try unplugging it completely? The only issue I've had with my Wii is the controller suddenly not being detected, which was fixed by just unplugging it and plugging it back in after a few seconds.

[CE]

A friend came over and I was showing him the wii and shit and we were playing different games. So I play Wii Sports, everything fine. I play Wii Play, everything fine, before he came over, my bro was playing Twilight Princess, everything fine. When I put in the TP disk to show him the Zelda glory, it gives me the disk read error screen.
I think "well, alright, I'll just clean it"
I do, try again, nothing.
Again, nothing.
Different disks, including the Melee one, nothing.
After an hour of not reading disks, the sound is suddenly fucked up too. Now every time it plays any sound, from music to sound effects, it spews out static noise. Irritating static noise.

FUCK!

God, why do I have this compelling need to buy stuff at launch? OH! I KNOW! I WAS WAITING FOR ZELDA FOR 300 YEARS!

D:<

Goddammit!

I'm going to Nintendo's distributor here first thing in the morning! I'm getting this Wii replaced, and the data transferred! I'm just kinda sad it won't be the same Wii. We've had good times.

: (

I'm pissed off now!

Did you try unplugging it completely? The only issue I've had with my Wii is the controller suddenly not being detected, which was fixed by just unplugging it and plugging it back in after a few seconds.

Of course I did, I tried everything you usually do in these situations, from unplugging it, to leaving it off for a while and even leaving it unplugged for the whole night. Tried unplugging the audio/video cables and even the sensor bar. Different disks and nothing works. I'm even noticing lag when clicking the different channels (with the sound muted, god white noise is annoying).

[Evilhead]

Is this perhaps the buggiest Nintendo console ever? Everything up until now has been solid as hell.

[CE]

It may be. It might be simple flukes, but there have been too many similar reports in such a short period. We all know the Wiimote strap thing is bullshit, but this is not. Total disc-reading laser breakdown within not even 2 weeks of purchase? And some sound issue too?

:\

It might have something to do with it being DVD I don't know.

I'm just spitting out random crap now. Nevertheless, it's still a launch console, and the reports are THAT many. I guess I can cut them a little slack, after all, it's not like a 600$ console just broke down :wink:

Still, I expect a replacement unit, fully functional, and my data transferred as well as my 400 points left. I don't have an SD card :[

[KakTheInfected]

The only major problem I've had so far is the controller de-syncing (no idea if that's a word) itself after playing some NES games.

And downloads are REAL slow, but that could just be because there isn't much RAM in the system.

[The Author]

Same, no issues at all.

And well, I'm pretty sure the PS3 would be as problematic if they had sold more than 10...

[Smoke]

And downloads are REAL slow, but that could just be because there isn't much RAM in the system.

How is download speed related to RAM? It's most likely either related to busy servers, or to a security system in place to make sure people aren't downloading games for free that's verifying a whole lot of stuff.

[KakTheInfected]

Actually, a miniscule amount of RAM will affect download speeds, since it affects the speed of everything else in the system (and we all know the Wii isn't built for speed). Also, whatever cache the Wii may have would have to be stored in the RAM since there just isn't a lot of internal storage. That's why I'm worried that when Opera comes out, the system is going to be very slow while browsing due to a lack of (or a very little) cache.

I doubt it's busy servers because the speed always seems the same to me no matter what time of day I go to the Shop Channel.

[Woffester]

The only problem I've had with my Wii is after I did the initial firmware update, sometimes I get a disc read error when I play Wii sports. Otherwise it's been pretty flawless.

[The Damned]

Actually, a miniscule amount of RAM will affect download speeds, since it affects the speed of everything else in the system (and we all know the Wii isn't built for speed). Also, whatever cache the Wii may have would have to be stored in the RAM since there just isn't a lot of internal storage. That's why I'm worried that when Opera comes out, the system is going to be very slow while browsing due to a lack of (or a very little) cache.
Why the hell would you want to browse the internet ona game machine? The computer is far, far better for that. If you don't have a computer (which I can safely say that Kak does), then I can see it, but still...

I doubt it's busy servers because the speed always seems the same to me no matter what time of day I go to the Shop Channel.
There are other places in the world that have the Wii, you know... maybe they're also tying up servers. I can only see this happening if the system doesn't have different servers for each region.

[KakTheInfected]

I'd much rather watch streaming video on my Wii than on my PC to be honest. Other than that, I don't see much reason to browse the net on Wii over PC. Still, I'd like to see improved download speeds at some point.

And even if each region shared the same servers, the Shop Channel shouldn't be as slow as it is. There is almost nothing to it's interface.

[CE]

Uhhhh

wtf

I went to Nintendo's distributor's HQ here and they checked out my Wii. A really nice manager and some equally nice girl from Tech support took me to this showroom thingy where they had a widescreen TV and several other stuff and plugged my Wii in, same cables I use at home, since I rapacked everything, ready for returning.

Thing is, when they tested it, same exact setup, it worked perfectly. No sound problem. Perfectly reading discs. I don't know if this is a bad omen or just a bizarre error, but it's freakish nevertheless.

They told me it might've been some problem with the laser's head which might have been fixed during the car ride there. So basically, I had to smack my Wii, like JoeFu advised me to (or was it spleen?). Still, this doesn't account to the sound issue, since the cables were the same.

Jesus... It might be from my tv, so I'll try changing the AV out from front to back and see if there's a difference.

It seems to work fine now.

:3

[supremespleen]

CE, that's good to hear.

Also, sorry for signing off on you last night - gaim had one of its 'windows socket errors'.

[JoeFu]

Haha, YES!

I told you to smack your wii!

[Zeklan]

I'm soo happy my Wii has worked fine since day one. :D

Also, I can't wait for FF:CC.

[CE]

CE, that's good to hear.

Also, sorry for signing off on you last night - gaim had one of its 'windows socket errors'.

rofl, my connection dropped anyway and I went to sleep, s'all good.

[Merk]

On two seperate occasions my Wii either won't turn on or turn off. The screen will go black instead of the video's blue output, but the system won't turn on or off. It won't work withe either remote or the button on the system. The only way to fix it is unplugging it and plugging it back in.

[Amayirot Akago]

Yes! YES! OMG, YES!!! Coming home today my dad tells me Dixons called to tell me my Wii was ready to be picked up. So tomorrow I'm racing straight over there to grab it :nicework: :D

[Bigfoot]

I know an FPS that the Wii should have.

Quake III Arena :p

[Neo Samus]

I know an FPS that the Wii should have.

Quake III Arena :p

Hell yes. That game was awesome on Dreamcast.

Has anyone had any issues with the pointer on the wii-mote kinda flickering or not registering correctly with the TV screen?

[Bigfoot]

5 VC titles for Christmas, but no freebies as rumored.

via Joystiq

* Super Mario Bros. (NES, 500 points): Nintendo's flagship title is sure to sell like hotcakes despite already racking up 40 million in sales since its 1985 release. How many times can we repurchase the game?
* Street Fighter II: The World Warrior (SNES, 800 points): Compared to the Xbox Live version, it's your choice whether you want online play or would rather pocket $2.00 in exchange rate difference (800 Nintendo points vs. 800 MS points).
* Super Castlevania IV (SNES, 800 points): One of the best in the series. Easily the best Castlevania title on the SNES, though it only had one other iteration (Castlevania Dracula X) to compete against.
* Toe Jam & Earl (Genesis, 800 points): Strong two-player action title, worth the price based on style alone.
* R-Type (TurboGrafx16, 600 points): One of the classic space shooters.

[Penfold]

Has anyone had any issues with the pointer on the wii-mote kinda flickering or not registering correctly with the TV screen?

I think I know what you're referring to; does it seem to do that especially when you're rotating the wiimote or something? Try increasing the sensitivity of the remote in your wii settings, that might help.

Also,
* Super Castlevania IV (SNES, 800 points): One of the best in the series. Easily the best Castlevania title on the SNES, though it only had one other iteration (Castlevania Dracula X) to compete against.

Yay.

[Neo Samus]

I knew about Toe Jam & Earl, but SF II and Castlevania IV? Oh hell yes!! well, maybe not SF II, I'd rather wait for a better version....like Tubro or Super SFII.


Thing is, Joystiq is not always very reliable. I really hope it's true.

Edit: thanks penfold. I'll do that when I get home.