IDE cable question pus case fan question

[Siamey]

So here is my setup


on motherboard there are 3 ide ports right?
1 short one for floppies which i have hooked up to my floppy drive
2 regular size ones (called primary/secondary)which i have set up as follows

1 high density cable in the primary port and connected to 2 PATA hard drives

1 regular cable in the secondary port and connected to a dvd burner and a regular dvd drive



my case has 2 more spaces for a harddrive and 2 more for cdrom size drives. i have a cd burner i want to add in so i can burn 2 cds at once with nero. i dont want to take out my dvd reader (through i could cause i have a dvd burner already, but want to keep that to do on the fly burns)
so yea... are there cables that have like 3 or 4 ends on it?
or is my motherboard just weird and there should be more ports? (its a full atx mobo)
i really forget how its sposd to work, im spacey lately and havent dont much comp repairs in years.


ALSO
is my case fan supposed to blow air IN or OUT of my case????
(why oh why did i ever take it off!?!?) and if i installed 2 case fans, one screwed into the back of the other one, just for fun, (blowing in the same direction ofcourse) could if break one of the fans? (like if one was blowing faster than the other and the motor didnt like that or something... i dunno)

thanks a bunch!

[[\(-_-)/]]

Jesus christ...



so yea... are there cables that have like 3 or 4 ends on it?

no, reason in my next sentence

or is my motherboard just weird and there should be more ports? (its a full atx mobo)
i really forget how its sposd to work, im spacey lately and havent dont much comp repairs in years.

The IDE channel is only capable of handling 4 drives plus floppy, so your mobo is normal. You are going to have to go SATA (through an expansion card or new mobo) if you wish for god knows how many burners.

is my case fan supposed to blow air IN or OUT of my case????

out

and if i installed 2 case fans, one screwed into the back of the other one, just for fun, (blowing in the same direction ofcourse) could if break one of the fans? (like if one was blowing faster than the other and the motor didnt like that or something... i dunno)

The only way you can gain any benefit by this is if the fans were contra rotating, which they are not. And that only increases pressure. And yes, it will cause harm to one or both fans if you do this, especially if one happens to be a lower speed fan than the other. And it would be noisy as hell.

EDIT: also, all IDE cables are the same. It does not matter if they are round, high density, normal, pink, covered in dust, or rainbow sparkle. As long as they are the ATA133 standard, they are the same.

[Siamey]

I could have done without the elitism, as i am a pretty experienced computer guy who is just having a space case day, and i get enough trite responses from linux users i know, to fill my quota. but... ill take what i can get i guess, thanks for the response







EDIT: also, all IDE cables are the same. It does not matter if they are round, high density, normal, pink, covered in dust, or rainbow sparkle. As long as they are the ATA133 standard, they are the same.

yea i knew that one... im not sure why i mentioned it, maybe because i was excited about how neat and thin it looked.... and black and shiny (i didnt have one with my old mobo)

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I could have done without the elitism, as i am a pretty experienced computer guy who is just having a space case day, and i get enough trite responses from linux users i know, to fill my quota.

If you were a "pretty experienced computer guy" you would have known that a damn case fan blows out not in, and there have never been IDE cables with more than 4 attachment points, since the IDE bus can only handle two drives per bus.

All of that is pretty basic stuff, hence my somewhat elitist atitude.

thanks for the response

no problem

[Siamey]

wow ive managed to run into the one guy in the world whos never had a spacey day, amazing

so basically if person 1 doesnt know something, and he asks on a public help forum, then persons 2 3 and 4 are allowed to be complete fucking douchebags, as payment for their answer. because they are just the type of people who feed off of looking down on others.

makes sense to me. http://www.adiumxtras.com/images/pictures/something_awful_2_6634_2842_image_3468.gif

how about you do me a favor and never reply to any topic i post in this place again, because it wastes my time and yours.

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If you didn't notice, I actually did help you. If you can't take the heat get out of the fire.

How does being spacey make you forget which way a case fan blows? oshit im happy today SQUARE PEG IN ROUND HOLE DURRRR

EDIT: I am actually a pretty nice guy, but your lack of typing skills and supposed "computer expert" -ness kind of ticked me off a bit. If you have to ask questions about this sort of stuff, don't claim that. I worked hard to obtain my knowledge, and it kind of aggravates me when somebody claims that when they are so obviously wrong.

I don't feed off of other peoples ignorance. If i did, I wouldn't have helped you.

[Smoke]

;255254']The IDE channel is only capable of handling 4 drives plus floppy, so your mobo is normal. You are going to have to go SATA (through an expansion card or new mobo) if you wish for god knows how many burners.

You can also just add an IDE PCI card to add two more IDE channels(Although it's actually called PATA). The limits are merely defined by the controller used, and most motherboards only have a single controller.

Also, you can hook up to two floppy drives up if required.

;255254']out

Not always. Depending on the way the airflow in the case is set up, a casefan can be positioned so that it'll take in air. This is usually the case(heh) with front casefans. Suck in cold air at the front, blow it out at the back. Alternatively, a setup can be made where cold air is sucked in at the bottom, and hot air(Which rises) is expelled at the top.

In fact, it's actually a bad idea to have all casefans blow air out of the case.

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=77909585&m=2900921662

Some theory.

[[\(-_-)/]]

Not always. Depending on the way the airflow in the case is set up, a casefan can be positioned so that it'll take in air. This is usually the case(heh) with front casefans. Suck in cold air at the front, blow it out at the back. Alternatively, a setup can be made where cold air is sucked in at the bottom, and hot air(Which rises) is expelled at the top.

In fact, it's actually a bad idea to have all casefans blow air out of the case.

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=77909585&m=2900921662

Some theory.

I was going by the assumption that he had a normal style ATX case, in which the rear case fan ( i just assumed this one, since he didn't specify) would be blowing out for optimal effectiveness.

You can actually make a positive pressure case in which all the fans are pulling in air and the air itself is pushed out by the pressure. See here:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35520

[Siamey]

yea, you did help me, im not denying that, im just saying that i would have rather went on not knowing another tidbit about ide specifics than having to deal with human garbage. a "nice guy" ? are you fucking kidding me?

i stand by the fact that im knowledgeable about computers(at least enough so to repair basic shit when mine breaks down, and to build new ones and troubleshoot them), and i also stand by the fact that there shouldnt be a "fire" for me to get out of if i ask a question on a help forum. holy shit

where did i say in my first post that "I AM A COMPUTER GOD, AND IM JUST ASKING THIS QUESTION FOR FUN, AND I DONT REALLY NEED OR APPRECIATE ANY HELP CAUSE IM ALREADY SO GOOD AT THIS, AND ASKING A QUESTION SEEMS CONTRADICTORY TO THIS SO YOU SHOULD FLIP THE FUCK OUT"
what the shit man

i worked hard to know what i know too, and maybe you know more than me, so congrats for that, you seem like you REALLY want to make that apparent. guess what? its already apparent that you know more than me, cause im the one asking questions in the forum and you're the one posting to answer them.

how am i "obviously wrong" i didnt state anything to be wrong about, it was all questions.

i didnt say
1 the case fan sucks air in
2 the ide bus can handle as many devices as i want
3 the ide cables that are slightly thinner and look cooler can handle more throughput

i didnt fucking say any of that! what am i wrong about?! im here to get answers to my questions, im hear to learn, im not here to spout nonesense and claim its right, and then plug my ears like a little child.

jesus christ, do you have to be right so badly that you just make up shit and tell people they said something or implied something?

the only real basis to you being annoyed with me is the fact that i dont capitalize or punctuate, and even then, you have to be pretty anal to bring that up. its easier to just hate me from a distance. besides, i dont use "like" that often, and i dont replace "you" with "u" etc.. im a higher grade of bad typer than that.

the fact is that i feel im experienced with computers (dont get all riled up, im not saying i know more than you), but i got that way by asking questions. thats what im doing here asking questions. ive honestly never built or fixed a computer with more than 4 ide devices (or if i did, i cant remember how it worked out) so i want to know how this shit works. as for the case fan, i wasnt sure if the power supply fan sucked air in or out or how the air flow was supposed to work. if that makes me a fool... then i dont know what to say.

again, im not an electrician, i dont hold a degree of anything like that, so at least i had the common sense to ask whether it would break one of the fans if i had 2 installed on top of each other.

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stuff

You think I am flipping the fuck out? All I did was use a little sarcasm. You seem to be a good deal more angry than I am.

I only said that you claimed to be a

pretty experienced computer guy

which you did. Yes, I see where in the post after that i said "computer expert" . That was bad terminology on my part. I never said that you stated any of your questions as facts, but you did say "pretty experienced computer guy", and that is what i took offense to. Generally, a person who has worked with computers for a while would know the things you asked.

I told you what you wanted to know, but I was sarcastic when I said it. I am so sorry if you cannot deal with that. I am an elitist faggot, and thats what elitist faggots do.

Stop trying to personally insult me by saying that i need to do this or that because i need some kind of personal satisfaction. I am far from that. I just have a very "above you" attitude when it comes to things I know about, and i am not afraid to let you know it.

To prove that I am actually a pretty stand up guy, here is a picture that shows how the airflow in a normal ATX specification case works. The rear case fan acts as a supplement to the power supply fan for exiting air.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/files/images/recommended1/case_airflow.jpg

[Siamey]

'I just have a very "above you" attitude when it comes to things I know about, and i am not afraid to let you know it.'

ok thanks, i just wanted that out in the open.

and yes you do need this, for personal satisfaction; you feed off of being right.

thanks for the dead link :grin:

[suzumebachi]

Children, children! Can't we all just get along? http://olremix.org/forum/images/smiles/icon_stomp.gif

Everyone knows that you can only have 4 IDE devices! Owait, what about DMA5? Oh and RAID? And GRNATFTAT2SMH? Oh and massive testicular cancer I hope you all die

[Nutritious]

Smoke's got the case fan setup suggestions right IMO. Fans in the front of the case bring in air, fans in the back blow air out. Side case fan(s) suck air in (helps even more if they're blowing air on the GPU) and top case fans also blow air out. This is how I've set mine up at least & it keeps the case pretty cool.

[Siamey]

Where is Smoke?

[Nutritious]

Not always. Depending on the way the airflow in the case is set up, a casefan can be positioned so that it'll take in air. This is usually the case(heh) with front casefans. Suck in cold air at the front, blow it out at the back. Alternatively, a setup can be made where cold air is sucked in at the bottom, and hot air(Which rises) is expelled at the top.

In fact, it's actually a bad idea to have all casefans blow air out of the case.

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=77909585&m=2900921662

Some theory.

There is Smoke :smile:

Good article (http://www.techsupportforum.com/articles-tutorials-reviews/hardware-bios-articles/143956-basics-computer-hardware-cooling.html) on system cooling. Part III deals with case fan configuration.

[Siamey]

nice nice

wow im fucking blind, i totally missed that smoke had posted. truly a space case this week :|

thanks smoke