What ever became of Prot's Sigma1.ogg WIP

[Siamey]

Was I the only one blessed enough to hear this batshit insane WIP of sigma's first stage from mmx1


http://www.siamey.com/ocr/Sigma1.ogg


EDIT: where is that old bastard these days, and where is binnie too?

[SnappleMan]

Also, why are you posting universally irrelevant bullshit in a forum that has nothing to do with it?

[Siamey]

i dont see where else this should be posted...

also, why are you such a fucking asshole in every situation possible :???:

[SnappleMan]

How is this topic at all relevant to remixing? This is the type of shit that goes in general discussion.

[Antipode]

It seems to me like the guy's pretty much been ostracized from most of the various VGM communities due to random stuff he's done and said (and just being a bastard in general), but every so often I notice he shows up again somewhere. I'd imagine he's probably been making music and/or remixes all this time, and honestly I'd like to hear them.

[Shadow Wolf]

Children. Children, children, children. Gather round, and papa will tell you a story. Prot was basically banned from OC Remix in early 2005 for being a complete cocksneeze in every way possible. He held up the judging process by refusing to allow good mixes through and being nitpicky. He was and still is incredibly arrogant; he thinks he's the only person in the universe that can make a decent remix. He is also widely believed to have hacked VGMix's website, resulting in the complete destruction of their site, from which they still haven't recovered. So he was banned from here, and his dickly ways and means have lost him any respect he may have had in pretty much any online community anywhere.

Overall, he's a cockless cock.

And that, children, is where that old bastard got off to.

G'night now.

[The Mutericator]

Children. Children, children, children. Gather round, and papa will tell you a story. Prot was basically banned from OC Remix in early 2005 for being a complete cocksneeze in every way possible. He held up the judging process by refusing to allow good mixes through and being nitpicky. He was and still is incredibly arrogant; he thinks he's the only person in the universe that can make a decent remix. He is also widely believed to have hacked VGMix's website, resulting in the complete destruction of their site, from which they still haven't recovered. So he was banned from here, and his dickly ways and means have lost him any respect he may have had in pretty much any online community anywhere.

Overall, he's a cockless cock.

And that, children, is where that old bastard got off to.

G'night now.

I thought just about everyone had agreed by now that he _was_ without a doubt the one who hacked VGMix.

[Villainelle]

He is also widely believed to have hacked VGMix's website, resulting in the complete destruction of their site, from which they still haven't recovered.

Um...I don't think that's why VGMix is still down.

[The Coop]

Um...I don't think that's why VGMix is still down.

Yeah. VGMix2 went down because of the hack (and the inability to figure out how to fix it due to VGMix2's apparent haphazard coding). VGMix3 isn't up yet because virt and them are doing all the programming themselves, and haven't finished it.

[TCK]

I thought just about everyone had agreed by now that he _was_ without a doubt the one who hacked VGMix.Allegedly.

[DragonFireKai]

Also, why are you posting universally irrelevant bullshit in a forum that has nothing to do with it?


Get used to it. There's gonna be alot of these topics in the future. We've reached a point where new listeners will download Prot's stuff, notice that he was a fairly talented remixer, look him up on the forums, find out he's been banned, and want to know why.

To be honest, I think we should stick Shadowolf's explanation into some sort of FAQ that covers basic aspects of OCR's history. Stuff like "What Was the Orange Phase?", "What Happened to Protricity?", and the ever popular "Where Did Unmod Go?"

I think a sticky might cut down on these sort of catch up on OCR threads.

[DarkeSword]

He held up the judging process by refusing to allow good mixes through and being nitpicky.

Bullshit. Prot never did such a thing, and he certainly wasn't banned or removed from the panel for anything like that. Say what you will about his attitude or the way he treated people--I'll probably agree with you--but don't start spouting ignorant nonsense about his judging practices.

Before trying to explain something to someone, make sure you know what you're talking about.

[megadave]

No offense meant man. Sorry about the rude replies, but most of us basically hate Prot. He's a piece of crap who destroyed VGMIX 2, not to forget a list of other things.

He's a jerk. If you ever see him, punch him in the face for me.

[DragonFireKai]

He's a jerk. If you ever see him, punch him in the face for me.

Don't tell him to do that, he might break his hand on Prot's massive nose. It looks sharp too.

[TCK]

He's a piece of crap who destroyed VGMIX 2ALLEGEDLY.

[cobaltstarfire]

That song really isn't that good or even interesting to be honest. :\

[Villainelle]

Shadowolf...you may find this thread (http://www.oneupstudios.com/boards/showthread.php?t=657) on OUS informative. Post #106 (http://www.oneupstudios.com/boards/showpost.php?p=16495&postcount=106) contains a link to a chat log that explains his banning from OCR in great detail. So cool it with the conjecture and personal invention, and the defamation of character. Whatever you thought of the guy, that's really not necessary and doesn't reflect well on this site.

[Shadow Wolf]

My apologies, the bit about the judges panel was information I received from someone else years ago. My fault for not checking it out. Prot's negativity did, however, affect a lot of amateur mixers. There were doubtless quite a few that wanted to please him, and that was a fairly impossible thing to do. So, sorry for the misinformation.

EDIT: Pardon me. After a review of the materials, It would seem he held up the judging process by simply being Ari and refusing to quantify precisely why he voted what he did on a mix. I''m sure there was more to it than that, and one of the judges would know much more about it than me. I am certain, however, that he was a dick.

[Liontamer]

It would seem he held up the judging process by simply being Ari and refusing to quantify precisely why he voted what he did on a mix. I''m sure there was more to it than that, and one of the judges would know much more about it than me.
Nah, that's a complete lie, and I dunno where you heard it from. As a panelist, lots of people hated Ari, but he was primarily responsible for the quality bar significantly going up, as well weeding out guidelines violations. I think his votes could have used more detail in a lot of cases, but that was the older days, and he usually gave his reasons. The whole time I was there, he wasn't biased in his decisions and never "refused to quantify" anything. In terms of speed, he was the most frequent voting judge on the panel before I joined. He did a lot to help the process, both in quality and speed.

[KyleJCrb]

Get used to it. There's gonna be alot of these topics in the future. We've reached a point where new listeners will download Prot's stuff, notice that he was a fairly talented remixer, look him up on the forums, find out he's been banned, and want to know why.

To be honest, I think we should stick Shadowolf's explanation into some sort of FAQ that covers basic aspects of OCR's history. Stuff like "What Was the Orange Phase?", "What Happened to Protricity?", and the ever popular "Where Did Unmod Go?"

I think a sticky might cut down on these sort of catch up on OCR threads.

http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5625

Although it doesn't cover Prot. Chop chop, Coopy! :P

[Shadow Wolf]

Nah, that's a complete lie, and I dunno where you heard it from. As a panelist, lots of people hated Ari, but he was primarily responsible for the quality bar significantly going up, as well weeding out guidelines violations. I think his votes could have used more detail in a lot of cases, but that was the older days, and he usually gave his reasons. The whole time I was there, he wasn't biased in his decisions and never "refused to quantify" anything. In terms of speed, he was the most frequent voting judge on the panel before I joined. He did a lot to help the process, both in quality and speed.

And there you have it, folks. The word of someone with a clue.

[Ramaniscence]

No offense meant man. Sorry about the rude replies, but most of us basically hate Prot. He's a piece of crap who destroyed VGMIX 2, not to forget a list of other things.

He's a jerk. If you ever see him, punch him in the face for me.

From what I gather from what virt has said on multiple occasion, specifically the VGMix 3 panel at MAGFest, Prot didn't KILL VGMix, but he definitely put the nail in the coffin.

VGMix2 wasn't particularly what anyone wanted, and needed a lot of work. They couldn't really fix the code because deim0s coded the whole thing himself, didn't really comment or organize, and then disapeared leaving everyone kind of SOL as far as the site went unless they wanted to try to dig through it and figure it out themselves (I'm pretty sure richter did/is doing a lot of that). Once Prot took the site down, rather than try to bring back a site that was pretty broken internal already, they decided it was a good time to just take it down all together and iron out all their problems.

Which, from what I've heard, and from what I understand, VGMix 3, from a developer/backend/coding stand-point, is THE h0tness.

richter is sexay beast.

[Liontamer]

And there you have it, folks. The word of someone with a clue.

It's better to defer to people who knew the guy, rather than pass off vicarious information. Ari has shitloads of things wrong with him that there's no need to make anything up.

[Shadow Wolf]

Like I said earlier, I was going off information I got years ago. My fault for not checking the source.

[prophetik]

i don't like prot anymore because he used to spam im's at me that were just useless shit and annoying stuff, till i blocked him. yeah, his music's good, but he's still an annoying bitch who got pissed when someone told him he wasn't the shit.

that said, his music's good.

oh, and when did he get un-banned? i saw his aol-rip sig the other day in a super-old thread, and i was curious when his posts got unblocked.

[jmr]

Just out of curiosity, if Ari was to make an effort to return to the community, and if he wasn't "still a grade A asshole", would he be allowed back? Or would people still hold a grudge against him?

[CHz]

oh, and when did he get un-banned? i saw his aol-rip sig the other day in a super-old thread, and i was curious when his posts got unblocked.
He's still banned. (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=41)

Was there a time when his posts were blocked? I don't remember ever not being able to see his posts. He doesn't appear in the members list, though.

[Shadow Wolf]

Just out of curiosity, if Ari was to make an effort to return to the community, and if he wasn't "still a grade A asshole", would he be allowed back? Or would people still hold a grudge against him?

Personally, I wouldn't. The sad thing about Ari is that he's an incredibly talented musician, but rather than garner the respect he rightly deserves for his skill, He's ostracized himself from numerous online communities because of his attitude and his lack of ability to work with other people. Everybody loses. So in my opinion, if Ari was willing to come back with a better attitude, I'd say move on from there. Unfortunately, he's also proven that he has no problem hacking people simply because he can, which once again goes back to his attitude. So it could literally be a danger to the site to allow him back in.

Just my thoughts.

[irriadin]

Unfortunately, he's also proven that he has no problem hacking people simply because he can...

....allegedly

[Wolfstan]

No one ever admits that no one knows who script-kiddie'd VGMix. It's easy to blame Prot because most people don't like him.

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm not referring just to the VGMix incident. But in a logged chat Prot had with somebody from VGMix, he showed several different ways to use forum bugs to crash pages. He was supposedly showing the site admins how they could be compromised. At any rate, that chat at least proved that he had fiddled around with ways to hack VGMix specifically. Unfortunately, I can't find it anymore, but it was linked in the thread here about the VGMix crash.

Also, if I'm not too mistaken, I remember hearing something about him vandalizing some Wikipedia pages a while back. Don't know if that one's true or not.

[Txai]

I wonder when all this boring discussion will stop.

[PassivePretentiousness]

It would shock me if prot wasn't responsible for vgmix2 going down, since he reappeared there after dropping out of the community for several months like a week before it happened.

I im'd him at one point asking him if he's done any new music and he said no. But then again he may have just felt like ignoring me.

[Equinox]

I'm not referring just to the VGMix incident. But in a logged chat Prot had with somebody from VGMix, he showed several different ways to use forum bugs to crash pages. He was supposedly showing the site admins how they could be compromised. At any rate, that chat at least proved that he had fiddled around with ways to hack VGMix specifically. Unfortunately, I can't find it anymore, but it was linked in the thread here about the VGMix crash.

Also, if I'm not too mistaken, I remember hearing something about him vandalizing some Wikipedia pages a while back. Don't know if that one's true or not.

Seems you have a hard time with information, so before you continue to post cons, you should sit back and let people who actually know what they're talking about, talk.

[DarkeSword]

I'm not referring just to the VGMix incident. But in a logged chat Prot had with somebody from VGMix, he showed several different ways to use forum bugs to crash pages. He was supposedly showing the site admins how they could be compromised. At any rate, that chat at least proved that he had fiddled around with ways to hack VGMix specifically. Unfortunately, I can't find it anymore, but it was linked in the thread here about the VGMix crash.

Also, if I'm not too mistaken, I remember hearing something about him vandalizing some Wikipedia pages a while back. Don't know if that one's true or not.

Are you even contributing any solid information at all? Almost all of what you're saying is hearsay.

This is how rumors and misinformation spread. Cut it out, man. :\

[Eulogic]

I'd imagine he's probably been making music and/or remixes all this time

Or, y'know, calling people "fag" in an IRC channel.

[Liontamer]

Are you even contributing any solid information at all? Almost all of what you're saying is hearsay.

This is how rumors and misinformation spread. Cut it out, man. :\

shadowolf wasn't contributing any first-hand info, but all of the hearsay he mentioned about VGMix2 and Wikipedia was actually true. :lol:

Still, your info is such a mixed bag though, shadowolf, it's better to avoid posting about stuff you just "heard".

[herograw]

Get used to it. There's gonna be alot of these topics in the future. We've reached a point where new listeners will download Prot's stuff, notice that he was a fairly talented remixer, look him up on the forums, find out he's been banned, and want to know why.

To be honest, I think we should stick Shadowolf's explanation into some sort of FAQ that covers basic aspects of OCR's history. Stuff like "What Was the Orange Phase?", "What Happened to Protricity?", and the ever popular "Where Did Unmod Go?"

I think a sticky might cut down on these sort of catch up on OCR threads.

since when was Siamey a "new listener?"

and really, allegedly. people who hate prot saying that he hacked them isn't the best evidence.

[Dyne]

shadowolf wasn't contributing any first-hand info, but all of the hearsay he mentioned about VGMix2 and Wikipedia was actually true. :lol:

Still, your info is such a mixed bag though, shadowolf, it's better to avoid posting about stuff you just "heard".

I think the point that some of us are trying to make is that it's over and done with, let's put this behind us and move forward.

Honestly though, even mentioning Prot at all is a bad idea. And I'm not faulting anyone for posting here about him, or the old situations, I'm just saying that it's like giving a reaction to someone who wants a reaction. All you're doing is gratifying said person's ego, and that kind of stroking is best left to someone else who can handle the person in question.

Well, something like that. All I can say is that from my own experiences from Prot, I wouldn't put it past him to do any of the bad things that people have said he's done, or things that he hasn't, but probably would've if he could've. I honestly just don't like the jerk.

[DragonFireKai]

since when was Siamey a "new listener?"

and really, allegedly. people who hate prot saying that he hacked them isn't the best evidence.

He's been on the site for 4 years and only has 200 posts. It's obvious he doesn't plug himself into the community as much as most, so he didn't know what happened to Protricity. I just think a sticky would be nice to help people who missed notable events in OCR history, like Virt's rebellion, Prot's banning, the sidebar jihad, and the nuking of unmod.

[PassivePretentiousness]

cataloging drama is what ED is for.

[JJT]

Or, y'know, calling people "fag" in an IRC channel.
allegedly.

[cobaltstarfire]

Twould be interesting if the forum was just set to filter his name anytime it was mentioned into something else..

[prophetik]

Twould be interesting if the forum was just set to filter his name anytime it was mentioned into something else..

that would have showed up by now, since people have posted his name and nick about ten times since the page started.

the pkmn project forum actually has a word filter to replace 'fag' with 'prot', because i felt like being a loser when it started.

[DragonFireKai]

Twould be interesting if the forum was just set to filter his name anytime it was mentioned into something else..

What would that make his Remix Review threads look like?

[Shadow Wolf]

Still, your info is such a mixed bag though, shadowolf, it's better to avoid posting about stuff you just "heard".

I'm continuing to post hearsay because there's at least two people watching this thread who know what happened. I'd like to confirm whether or not anything I've heard is true, that's all. Because I'm a very curious little monkey.

[Ciel]

Or, y'know, calling people "fag" in an IRC channel.

Ari? Never.

[TCK]

allegedly.Actually, I'm pretty sure that's plain old fact :-D