Spider-Man 3

[Noodle]

I know I am

How about you

Yes you

[WOT]

i am
10 letter limit

[Gollgagh]

I ain't got time tonight, but I will be seeing it.

[Blue Magic]

I gotta work!!! :-x

[SPIKENOX07]

I'll be going tomarrow. Should be a good one. The newspaper gave it 4 out of 4 stars.

[Fratto]

Me.

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[M@DM@X]

I already watched it. It was shown in my cinema as a beforeprimiere (don't know if that's correct English, Babelfish sucks...:smile: ). Those schmucks cut the chapters together wrong! Chapter 3 was after chapter 4. Well at least I can watch another movie for free now!:grin:

[PassivePretentiousness]

I already watched it. It was shown in my cinema as a [sneak preview] (don't know if that's correct English, Babelfish sucks...:smile: ). Those schmucks cut the [reels?] together wrong! Chapter 3 was after chapter 4. Well at least I can watch another movie for free now!:grin:

^fixed


technical term for "cut" is "spliced", but that's just for people who have worked a projection booth before.

and I assume you mean "cut" as in "built the reels together" and not in the editing the movie sense.

"cinema" is used in the US much less often than "movie theater" or just "theater". it's still acceptable.

just trying to help.

[watkinzez]

Hey, that came out yesterday. Maybe I'll see it over the weekend.

[Black Mage]

I'll see it eventually, as I presently have no job and just as much cash.

BTW, Noodle, that the most fucking annoying sig I've ever seen (thank firefox for adblock).;-)

[Antipode]

I'm goin' for sure. It will be interesting to see how they manage to cram a story in around three major villain subplots.

Incidentally I love your sig, Noodle.

[Alexis]

Was going to go to the midnight showing, but my friend didn't want to, so I'm going at 1 in the afternoon tomorrow. CAN'T WAIT!

[Subz1987]

I went to the midnight show. The movie was awesome

[atmuh]

yeah I guess its friday now so I'll see it tonight

[Fiendofthenorth]

I would go except
A. I don't have a ride.
B. 10 o'clock class.
C. I'm sick with god knows what, but it involves ear pain and a bit of a sore throat. I needs sleep.

I hope it's awesome.

[The Author]

Who knew that the green goblin would turn out to be peter's father?

[LiquidGlass]

I don't know if any of you saw this last night or are going to see it today, but I didn't like as much as I wanted to. I dunno... I needed more Venom badassery. There was this problem where every time I was watching Eddie Brook I saw Eric Forman.

Anyone else?

[Neo Samus]

Going to see it tonight at a local drive-in with Ghost Rider. I'll give my opinion after I see it.

[Arek the Absolute]

Toby portrayed the emo look very well.
Everyone in the theatre started busted up laughing when we saw him with this hair over his eyes, which was enhanced when someone shouted out "MY CHEMICAL SPIDY". Oh man, lols a plenty. Also, eye liner lol.
Nice taking one for the team Toby.

[Moo2u]

I really really was expecting so much from this movie, and there was so much just poorly executed. I'll post my compleat thoughts later, but for right now I'll just quote J. Jonah Jamison.

"It's crap!"

[RealFolkBlues]

Toby portrayed the emo look very well.
Everyone in the theatre started busted up laughing when we saw him with this hair over his eyes. Also, eye liner lol.
Nice taking one for the team Toby.

QFT. That shit was HILARIOUS. I loled, and damn near rofled, irl.

Alright, that's enough acronyms for now. I for one loved it, but I'll have to see it again to make up my mind as to definite rating. Right now I'm leaning towards A-, B+.

That's not to say there weren't problems. They REALLY could have done better with Venom. Topher Grace had an interesting take on Eddie Brock, if not really similar to how he was in the comics/cartoons. Various things bugged me about it, but I'm not gonna go into details about that on the first page of the thread the day the movie came out. Suffice it to say, ten minutes less dancing and ten minutes more tying shit together would have been spectacular. Meh. As always, Bruce Campbell and Stan Lee are still the men.

[Shadow Wolf]

I thought it was better than the first two by far. My only issue was, why was that webbing holding up a Mac Truck, but Mary Jane was breaking it? She's got a sizeable rack, but not that big. Also, theatres full of wise asses ftw. The entire theatre cracked the movie all the way through. It was very MST3000.

[Arek the Absolute]

Sucks for you.
Total B movie effect for me.

[Hemophiliac]

time to rant...

Venom needed double talk (Brock and Venom talking about the same time), as well as him saying "We" or "Us".

this movie was poorly editted and was lacking in pacing, this movie could've been easily 20 minutes shorter, being dancing and emo parts cut shorter, oh and too many damn "walking" scenes.

*SPOILERS* for some reason, right before spidey came in to receive the key to the city, i had a thought that one of the 3 main characters were gonna die. my reason for thinking that, in the previous 2 movies Spidey/Parker were both having shitty lives, and here everything was going way too well for him. also i felt that the end of the film was very anti-climatic, especially with Flynt Marko just going away <--random no resolution to crap setup earlier, sure he was forgiven but what about the other crimes that he committed? *SPOILER OVER*

oh was anyone else annoyed by that weird 5 note brass motif that was continuously used in the music whenever the "darker" side of Spidey came out?

rant over...

i feel that the best character in the whole series was Harry Osborne by far, he had the largest character arc you could've possibly have had.

anyone think that this isn't the end of the series?

[megadave]

Emo-Spidey what? What did you say? Huh? Nooooo wayyyyy.

[RealFolkBlues]

Well, this has been the most poorly-received of the three films thus far, and none of the star actors have renewed their contracts, so... Eh well. I actually loved almost everything about the resolution here especially the part with Sandman. Him just leaving I thought was a great contrast to pretty much every main villain in the series, who just frickin die. Parker forgiving him and what not had me a little choked up, though he definitely could have said a sentence about how he thought he had already killed him.

Yeah, Venom also needed the giant tongue, but like I said, they kind of screwed him up. A better explanation for him arriving on Earth would have been nice as well, as opposed to Oh Schnapp METEORITE.

[Shadow Wolf]

Emo-Spidey what? What did you say? Huh? Nooooo wayyyyy.

You simply cannot know until you see the movie. It's like, if emo and Ferris Bueller had a child, it would be Toby Maguire for 30 or 40 minutes of this movie. Hi-la-ri-ous.

[Shadow Wolf]

Seen it. Loved it.

[Alexis]

What the hell was up with emo tobey dancing down the street for like five minutes? Also, he can't pull off eyeliner. Johnny Depp is the only man I've seen that looks like a bad ass wearing eyeliner. This is probably my least favorite spiderman...The first one was the best. This one just took way too long getting the plot to start, and then the end just kind of fizzled out. But it's still spiderman, so I'll probably be seeing it again.

:)

[Admiral_C]

I thought it was done rather well. They managed to pack a lot into the movie and paced it very well. The dry spells (non action scenes) weren't too long and most of them had a significant purpose.

Also... watching Peter Parker punk just about everyone he knew was quite hilarious.

[Ffej]

I enjoyed the movie, but I feel there was too much Topher Grace and not enough Gwen Stacy dying. Because there was none. Why didn't she die? :-(

[I-n-j-i-n]

Well, that was easily the worst out of all three Spiderman films so far IMO.

MJ was way more annoying than Gwen Stacy. Speaking of characters who should've been killed off or get less screen time, it's MJ.

[Malaki-LEGEND.sys]

I never really liked any of the Spiderman movies that much, and this one just seals the deal for me.

A. Topher Grace as Venom and the guy who played Lowell on Wings as Sandman!? Seriously, you were asking for me to laugh at you, Raimi.

B. Aside from the obvious screw up of having ERIC FOREMAN playing Venom, they totally ruined him, and Venom's ALWAYS been my favorite Marvel character.

C. Toby brings out his inner emo. We knew it was gonna happen sometime, although i will say that he should have nixed that bouncer's arms for being a douche.

D. A fucking tag team? Even a dude way in front screamed out hell no to that.

E. Lowell from Wings as Sandman!?

F. The American flag just popping out of nowhere for no reason whatsoever... That almost killed me.


That being said, I love Topher on That 70's show, but I couldn't help but wanting to hear Red calling him a dumbass every five minutes.

[NNY]

They could have cut out most of the romance scenes, but MJ was actually a much better character in this movie than she was in the first two. She's more than just a plot device. They actually made her character sympathetic. She's where Peter was in SM2, and Parker vise versa. Her part wasn't dead weight and limited to being in distress.

As for Sandman? His actual transformation was meh, but Thomas Hayden Church's acting was incredible. I don't know what the hell he's been in in the past, but fuck you for not understanding that actors can be bad in one movie and incredible in another.

It surprised me how much I'd like New Goblin. NG had much potential for massive suckitude, but it was rather the opposite. His performance was great. I completely hated Harry one minute, then loved him the next, then hated him, then thought holy shit, then loved him, and then my comic book geek intuition kicked in and I remembered his fate from a certain comic I read once. He's like an Anakin Skywalker that doesn't suck.

Venom, was actually the most disappointing thing about the movie. I loved Eddie's character in the beginning, such a jerk, his interaction with seeing Gwen nearly die was hilarious. But as it progressed, I started to dislike him. His performance wasn't bad. It's just Venom himself. It started with the first scene with Sandman. His voice, they shouldn't have used Topher's voice when speaking as Venom. Another inaccuracy I spotted was Eddie getting the vampire teeth. Eddie Brock himself doesn't get the vampire teeth. It's all Venom. I also hated that half the time he was Venom, the face was removed showing Eddie. His demise was a disappointment too. I won't spoil it, but sheesh, it coulda been beeter.

As for the emo jazz club scenes? I LOVED THEM! They were ridiculous and a great comic relief for such a heavy story. Peter Parker is trying to be someone he wasn't. And it failed horribly. I felt like I was watching myself from the 8th grade to Junior year in high school.
The cheesy ridiculous stuff is Sam Riami's pastiche. You can't not expect this in one of his movies.

The Bruce Campbell scene had me in stitches too. We need more Campbell in the world.

The movie had some pacing issues, some rushed scenes, and some of the CGI looked unfinished.

But overall, I loved it.


Edit: The American Flag scene was great. They did the same thing in the first two movies too.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Yeah. The new Goblin and Sandman were unexpectedly the best characters of the movie. I think even Spiderman was a bit of a bore throughout the movie.

Now I don't care if the 4th movie will have totally new characters and creative team. It's as if the writers and Raimi got bored of the franchise.

[NNY]

Yeah. The new Goblin and Sandman were unexpectedly the best characters of the movie. I think even Spiderman was a bit of a bore throughout the movie.

Now I don't care if the 4th movie will have totally new characters and creative team. It's as if the writers and Raimi got bored of the franchise.
Riami has said (Don't ask me for a link I don't have one.) that he wants to make Spider-Man movies till he dies. But if either Dunst or MacGuire pull out of the next movie, he goes as well. As of yet, the main cast hasn't updated their contracts, but we'll see how it goes.

As for Spider-Man himself being a bore, I wouldn't say so entirely.
I got such a kick from Spider-Man being happy about his life for once. It so rarely happens.

Edit: I say "As for" way too much.

[atmuh]

the movie SUCKED

[Antipode]

Wow, I thought the movie was actually really bad...I dunno. I saw the midnight showing.
I thought Venom was handled extremely poorly which really disappointed me, and everything (excluding all the awesome action sequences and fight scenes) had this awful tacky feel to it (I think it was mostly the writing. I'm not sure exactly what else it could have been). Seriously, in between all the fights the audience was either groaning or laughing at it.. when the credits started rolling there was just this kind of rolling downcast sigh through the whole audience.

The redeeming value of the movie is that Sandman was pretty amazing, particularly the scene where he's getting up for the first time and the scenes where Spiderman is first fighting him.

I think, even though Venom is probably my favorite Spiderman villain, that to fix the movie they should have totally scrapped him and the whole blacksuit subplot (which somehow seemed to only be like the last 40 minutes of the film - wasn't it advertised as the main plot point?) and instead just focused on and actually expanded on Osborne/Sandman/Spiderman. I would have probably rated it quite a bit higher if they had done that. You either make Venom a buff, growling badass, or you don't have him at all. I don't want to see Topher Grace's head sticking out and making some little snappy remark before turning back into Venom again.

I think the real root of the problem for me of this movie is just that there's about 4 individual plotlines relating to each villain, each one insufficient for its own film, barely held together with a wire-thin structure. I know some people liked it and it will earn a ton of money, but it wasn't what I was looking for, and I don't believe it held a candle to the first two films.

[NNY]

the movie SUCKED

There was a time when this forum was called "General Discussion", where they "discussed" the topics the threads were based on.


Have the rules changed?

[atmuh]

boooooooooooooooooo

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

the movie SUCKED

agreed....eric forman WTF
and harry the sidekick

[Broken]

I loved the movie. More discussion on this later. I have to wake up early tomorrow.

Spolier? ..."I'll give you your rent when you fix the DAMN DOOR!" ....

[Blake]

Well...I'm about to go see it. I'm really sad to read these reviews, because Spidermans 1 and 2 were just fucking awesome, and there was this ultimate build up of tension between Harry and Peter, but apparently it loses focus on that powerful driving force of the series.

[RedFusion]

when the credits started rolling there was just this kind of rolling downcast sigh through the whole audience.

Haha. Our cinema had a healthy round of applause, and even one of my friends did too, which was entirely unexpected. (I'm never one who applauds in movies, and neither do they.. usually).

I enjoyed the movie on the whole. Action was great, and the storyline was fruitful and meandering enough that I actually had to pay attention (it didn't feel tacked on - everything resolved quite nicely in the end, I thought).
The biggest thing I'm pleased about Spiderman, is how surprised I am by the fact that (in my opinion), the series actually GOT better. Hell, it's weird enough for sequels to be better than the first. Or maybe just because I didn't like the first at all..

Oh yeah, wait, the movie was great _EXCEPT_ for the emo-spiderman. Aw heck, I cringed in every single moment of emo-spiderman-ness.

[weggy]

I write this as someone who is not a comic book fan on the whole, and just saw the first movie 3 weeks ago (have yet to see 2nd)

Overall, I agree with the comments about Venom. He came in way, way too late, and he didn't stay evil. Topher just kept popping out as to remind you "hey, remember me?" I felt it was poorly done, and Venom was kind of a letdown.

I like bizzaro evil spiderman. They should make a movie about that, without all the arrogant bullshit.

And finally, Sandman's ending was quite... silly. "Hay, lets leik stop fihting kay." I mean, what the hell. No death, no reason to stop fighting. Just a "I'm sorry", then he flies off to Nantucket.

Didn't live up to all the hype, but the huge blockbusters never do. Still, a decent flick.

(Bruce Campbell FTW)

[Antipode]

(Bruce Campbell FTW)

Oh yeah, hahah, I forgot to mention that that whole scene was pretty amazing.

[Antipode]

You might like it - it's got a lot of good action and it DOES have a lot of nice sequences with Harry and Peter. I just didn't really like it as a movie.

[Shadow Wolf]

He was easily the best actor in that whole scene too. Why is he a B movie actor?

[Ffej]

Why is he a B movie actor?

Because talent rarely gets you fame.


Also, I felt it needs to be said that, while the movie didn't stick to the facts of the comic book, I do think it got the mood of the Spiderman series down pat.

[Doctor Shaft]

You might like it - it's got a lot of good action and it DOES have a lot of nice sequences with Harry and Peter. I just didn't really like it as a movie.

Agreed here. I'll give my full review, having just seen it a few hours ago.

Spiderman 3 is not a "bad" movie in the sense that they don't try. None of the actors give up, per say, and the direction doesn't really "quit" in my estimation. They don't really just throw explosions at us, persay, and while a few scenes, especially towards the end, may be interpreted as just special effects fluff aimed at a sure sell, I didn't really think that was the main issue with this film.

The first hour and a half of this film is Spiderman goodness. Perhaps not as great as Spiderman 2, but one has to be careful not to give too much credit where credit isn't deserved. Spiderman 2 gets a great deal of its momentum from the very first film, and how solidly constructed that previous film was. The first film also doesn't really resolve anything so much as it serves as hour "First Act" of a play. It's the exposition. It reveals our main characters to us, sets up the love triangles, the romance, the drama, the meaning of a hero, etc. So of course, as long as the cast and crew followed suit and thought long and hard, Spiderman 2 was almost guarenteed some form of success.

Spiderman 3, however, doesn't have that same benefit. Spiderman 2 unfortunately resolves many issues from Spidey 3, and while it does leave plenty of juicy bits left over (like Harry), the love issue is essentially tied up in that film. It's tough to beat the love drama of Spiderman 2. This last film tries hard to bring some tension and struggle, and it does it somewhat successfully, but at times it over-shoots just a little bit.

So what's my main beef with the film? Again, the first hour and a half is good. Even though there are perhaps one too many characters and conflicts to deal with, it's for the most part okay, and makes sense. However, following the climax of the film (Spiderman finally deciding to get rid of the suit after a chain of pretty messed up and recent events), the movie just runs out of steam and time to properly give everyone, not just the villains, a proper send off.

In other words, if you could break Spiderman 3 into sections, i'd say it has a set up, it has a nice building of conflict with all the characters, plenty of nice fight and emotional conflicts, a good lead up to a nice climax.... and then most of the falling action is entirely missing. We get a good end fight, a decent and logical ending... but you'll probably find yourself not caring so much.

Because no one (except perhaps Spiderman himself) is given time to really spend time thinking about or reacting to the mistakes and bad choices they make. And that's really the primary theme about Spiderman 3. The ability to make choices. And all of the characters, even Mary Jane, are given opportunities in the film to make choices, most of which they make are bad. But Spiderman is unfortunately really the only guy that gets enough screen time to consider his actions fully. Harry, perhaps, gets enough screen time as well for it, but Brock, Mary Jane, and Sandman don't quite get it.

Sandman gets a little time, but it's at the very end, which is awkward timing, I thought.

BOTTOMLINE: Spiderman 3 is, by no means, a "Bad" film. It's not the greatest, but that's also understandable as it is the third film in its line up, and like most trilogies, it doesn't get the bulk of "loose strings" to work with as the middle film always does. So no fanboy love for Spiderman 2 from me. Spiderman 3, in my estimation, should have done one of two possible things (both of which I realize are probably not feasible due to $$).

1.) Become two films. Take major portions of the 3rd film, and divide them effectively between two films. Either focus more on "Green Goblin2/Sandman" or "Green Goblin2/Venom". Doing both, while not a total failure, didn't leave us enough time to care enough about them when we get to the final fight, which was spectacular visually, but not quite as prominent emotionally. Green Goblin had enough lead up in the first film to make their last battle something to remember, despite being far more low key.

2.) Make the film longer. I realize that wouldn't have sold too well in theatres, etc., but the reason LOTR:ROTK works both as a book and as movie adaptation is because they both are given enough time to resolve their major plot points. Spiderman 3 needed that extra 40 minutes or so for the characters to think through and struggle with their actions and choices they made. Unfortunately, that time wasn't available, so we saw the conclusion without the 4th Act, so to speak.

[Rambo]

I found the movie to be very poorly done. It had no flow. It had no climax.
Venom takes #1 spot for biggest villain letdown in movie history. I really enjoyed the first 2 movies, but around half way through this one I found myself checking my watch. I found the best action scene to be the first. Aside from the flying snowboard... I thought it was pretty good. It was the only one that captivated me though. The others seemed forced.
I think Harry was undeniably the best character in this movie. If you're a comic/cartoon fan you'll very likely disagree with me, since I hear his role in the movie was COMPLETELY fabricated. But from an unbiased standpoint I found the guy who played Harry's character to do the best acting job, and his character as a whole stood out as the highlight of this film. They tried to do too much with this movie and it came off REALLY over the top. I was cringing and embarrassed over the course of MANY scenes.

Thank God Bruce Campbell was in it for some comic relief.
Thats likely the only scene I'll vividly remember. In retrospect, the acting all around in that scene pretty good.

Anyway, I don't plan on re-watching this movie anytime soon, probably ever, but I still hope the series doesn't end on this note.

EDIT: Just to clarify, while the dialog and scenarios, even atmosphere at time was incredibly dull or corny, I don't think any of the blame should fall on any of the actors. While acting at times seemed really questionable, I think it was very much the directing that made it such.

[SetzerGabbiani]

I think they did Venom justice in the movie...

And im glad i bought nachos for the american flag cheesiness ^^

my two cents...

[Binjovi]

I'm going to go see this movie sometime this weekend. Unfortunately, it sounds as if my fears are coming true. The first time I saw Venom in the trailer, my heart sank. I knew that this movie featured the symbiote, but I was hoping they'd let it linger to give Venom the full spotlight in the next movie. He's far too awesome a villain to be grouped with both Harry and Sandman.

Possible X-Men 3 Spoilers:
It's the same beef I had with the third X-Men. There could have easily been three movies out of all the crap that they tried to cram in there. The two main plots about the mutant "cure" and the Phoenix didn't even really collide or feed off of one another. They were just kind of happening simultaneously for no real reason other than to make it seem more "epic." The inclusion of Juggernaut also pissed me off. He, just like Venom, deserves a spotlight. Hopefully this movie isn't as bad as X 3 was.

I dunno though. Maybe if I go into it thinking it'll suck, I'll actually come out liking it. Or maybe I'll just be able to focus on how bad it really is. I guess I'll find out soon.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I found the movie to be very poorly done. It had no flow. It had no climax.
Venom takes #1 spot for biggest villain letdown in movie history.

Astronaut from 2nd film could've done it too..

I really enjoyed the first 2 movies, but around half way through this one I found myself checking my watch. I found the best action scene to be the first. Aside from the flying snowboard... I thought it was pretty good. It was the only one that captivated me though. The others seemed forced.

I find it funny that the humanoid Sandman scenes were better than the King Kong type ones. And that the Harry scenes actually topped Venom scenes for the most part.

I think Harry was undeniably the best character in this movie. If you're a comic/cartoon fan you'll very likely disagree with me, since I hear his role in the movie was COMPLETELY fabricated. But from an unbiased standpoint I found the guy who played Harry's character to do the best acting job, and his character as a whole stood out as the highlight of this film. They tried to do too much with this movie and it came off REALLY over the top. I was cringing and embarrassed over the course of MANY scenes.

I get the feeling that the creative staff just went overboard and had fun with making the movie at the expense of the actual viewers. But it was still fun IMO. And yeah, basically they should have named Spiderman 3 as "Harry Osbourne 3". That would have been appropriate.

EDIT: Just to clarify, while the dialog and scenarios, even atmosphere at time was incredibly dull or corny, I don't think any of the blame should fall on any of the actors. While acting at times seemed really questionable, I think it was very much the directing that made it such.

Like others said before, they rushed through at least 4 or 5 different story lines in this one movie. They had too much to do and they wasted it a bit on the nonsensical fight between MJ and Peter. And Gwen had such great chemistry with Peter too, and that went out the window in about 5 minutes.

[Hector]

First off, there are a few difficulties that are automatically involved when one tries to incorporate Venom. The main one of these is that you need a sympathetic extra villain for Spiderman to face off against and steadily lose his temper. This was done rather poorly with the sandman (though Harry did an amazing job). Secondly, when Venom finally was introduced, he did not so much seem frightening as he seemed like a deutshe. And that does not cut it for a villain, especially one that is supposed to be as deadly as venom.

Harry though, was the sole redeeming aspect of the film. Unfortunately, the redemption he provided was not quite sufficient to save the film as a whole.

[EvilZereno]

Well... you know guys... I was really hoping that Doc Oc would have shown up for the final 25 minutes... ya know...since everyone else was getting a storyline.

Ya, he could've come at a peak moment to save Peter, or MJ or a random pedestrian from a falling block,*que intense music* delivered some inspirational monologue to Peter about how important love is and how Peter taught him a real lesson in the last movie and he was there to repay the favor... and heck... he could've floated off with Sandman to make little octopus-sand babies.

...Dang. I should write scripts for these movies... I can come up with the same stuff they can...and they get paid for it!

In all seriousness though, i must say that Harry WAS the redeeming, good factor in the movie.

[Neo Samus]

Ok for some reason I can't figure out where Bruce Cambell was in the film, was he the guy at the resturant? The host?

[tgfoo]

Ok for some reason I can't figure out where Bruce Cambell was in the film, was he the guy at the resturant? The host?

Yeah, he was the guy with the crazy (fake) french accent. Best scene in the movie. Actually, other than Bruce Cambell and a few of the action scenes, this movie was a complete let down. Though I have to admit, Toby Maguire does pull off emo rather well.

[chrono26]

it definitely wasnt the best movie ever made and it did have way to much crammed in to do any of the story points justice, but i think it was a solid conclusion. i guess the whole $350 million spent on this one went to the visual effects alone. but bruce campells cameo was gold and stan lee had his best cameo yet because he was just pullin some girl away from a falling rock.

[Cyanide cr MK]

It was awesome!

[Brushfire]

One word: SHAZAM!!!

Also the "America, $@#! Yeah!!" moment was the greatest.

[Broken]

Spoilers and villan commentary

About Venom-
I think that you all need to take a step back from the comic book for a second and look at him as just a character in a movie. I think it would have actually mad less sense for him to have two voices at the same time when Venom spoke because we never really are given a voice for the symbitoe. It would have seemed weird, I think. I still agree that the way the movie handled it was pretty poor, but it's a minor quip basically.

Venom was by far the worst (as in poorly executed) villan in the film, but at the same time, he served his purpose pretty well. Again, not trying to remember his actually story line (from the comic,) he was bascially their to just scare the shit out of people and cause trouble, and he did. And to whoever said the meteor rock intro was weird, I agree.

Sand Man-
He was the ok villan of the film. I was afraid his CGI was going to get gratuitious, and it did near the end (That monster thing reminded me too much of the clay-guy from Batman), but during most of the film they did a pretty good job making him seem believeable and actually attempting to incorporate realistic physics and such into his movements. I thought his transformation into sand-man was a little forced, but then I rememberd "Hey, it's a story based on a comic book," so I let the unlikely coincidences go (falling into a molecular re-configuration machine or whatever.)

Green Goblin-
By far the best villan and that simply because he has 2 (count em') 2 whole movies of background with Spidey. It's just to satisfying to see every angle of MJ, Parker, and Osbourne's relationship unfold. And Harry successfuly scared the crap out of me with the faces he makes when he's talking to Peter (immediately after getting out of the hospital.)

End of Spoilers

But yeah. This is the kind of movie I wouldn't mind going back to the theaters to watch a second time. I honestly don't feel that way very often.

[Petara]

I approve. A little bloated with all the lovey dovey and they screwed Venom up pretty bad, but overall, I liked it.

[The Womb]

This post will probably contain some spoilers

I actually liked this movie
They did deviate a little but you know I really didn't mind the tag team part, or anything like that.

I would have liked it if the symbiote was more attached then just a different kind of suit. I was a big fan of the cartoons more then the comics but in the cartoons the suit becomes a part of him not.

I also thought that parker became to emo to fast, all of a sudden the symbiote had taken control of his mind and he was evil there was no slow decline

A little more time on venom really would have been nice, I think that they could have expanded the Sandman/Goblin fights for a long time and then end the movie with the suit dripping on Eddie Brock which would set up a perfect Number 4

Yeah those where my major beefs, overall I still actually really enjoyed myself and pretty much everyone in my theatre did to. Was I the only one who laughed at Toby's hair flip?

[Rambo]

Was I the only one who laughed at Toby's hair flip?
About 80% of the crowd in the theater I was in laughed at that as well. >_o

Anyone have any comments regarding the sound track? Nothing seemed too significant to me, but I only started paying attention to it half way through. And even then, I don't remember the second half very well.

[Toadofsky]

Toby portrayed the emo look very well.
Everyone in the theatre started busted up laughing when we saw him with this hair over his eyes, which was enhanced when someone shouted out "MY CHEMICAL SPIDY". Oh man, lols a plenty. Also, eye liner lol.
Nice taking one for the team Toby.

Someone at the midnight show I went to yelled Emo Peter, pretty much every laughed in the theater.

I had a terrible experience seeing the movie. I was 4 rows from the front (it wasn't that bad there), and a couple of girls behind us for some reason started giggling when the film was halfway over, me and my brother in law's brother got so irritated we started making fun of the way they were laughing.


SPOILER ALERT!!!! YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!!!






Honestly, I didn't enjoy it as much as the first two. Why did they include Gwen Stacy? I still think they should have had her in the first, maybe even into the second film. There was too many bad guys and too little of time to go through it all. I'm not an all knowing person when it comes to comic book films, but I have to say that I think Raimi (the director) could have done better.

[Broken]

About 80% of the crowd in the theater I was in laughed at that as well. >_o

Anyone have any comments regarding the sound track? Nothing seemed too significant to me, but I only started paying attention to it half way through. And even then, I don't remember the second half very well.

I liked Sandman's theme. Or at least I became very familiar with it. I don't know why, but that was one of the motifs that I just latched onto during the film.

[Moo2u]

I can't believe no one mentioned the worst cop-out in movie history... *SPOILER ALERT!*





...having Harry's Butler suddenly come in and say he knew his father killed himself with his own glider. First of all, who the hell is this guy, and why the hell should we care? Second, why the hell wouldn't he tell Harry before he went all crazy? Maybe he was just being a dick... Third of all, he must have done some fancy detective work when he was "cleaning his wounds." That's not easy to do. And lately, "I loved your father." ...I sware, the whole theatre was laughing at this. If you want us to take this moment siriously, maybe you should set up this character a bit more...who the hell is he, and why should we care!!

In my opinion, instead of this crap, Harry should have talked to his father again, who would tell him to destroy Peter once and for all, but Harry finally stands up to his controling father and fights along with Peter to save MJ. That way, even though Harry would die still thinking Spider-man killed his father, he would have died a hero doing the right thing, without this random butler cleaning wounds and suddenly displaying unseen emotion...but that's just my thought...still thought the movie was pretty crappy...

[Antipode]

... having Harry's Butler suddenly come in and say he knew his father killed himself with his own glider. First of all, who the hell is this guy, and why the hell should we care? Second, why the hell wouldn't he tell Harry before he went all crazy? Maybe he was just being a dick... Third of all, he must have done some fancy detective work when he was "cleaning his wounds." That's not easy to do. And lately, "I loved your father." ...I sware, the whole theatre was laughing at this. If you want us to take this moment siriously, maybe you should set up this character a bit more...who the hell is he, and why should we care!!

In my opinion, instead of this crap, Harry should have talked to his father again, who would tell him to destroy Peter once and for all, but Harry finally stands up to his controling father and fights along with Peter to save MJ. That way, even though Harry would die still thinking Spider-man killed his father, he would have died a hero doing the right thing, without this random butler cleaning wounds and suddenly displaying unseen emotion...but that's just my thought...still thought the movie was pretty crappy...

Agreed 100%. That's actually a pretty good idea for how they could have fixed that scene. I thought the same thing - my friend and I just looked at each other and rolled our eyes at the obvious copout. And our theater laughed at that line too - and even more when he said "I loved Harry even more!"

I liked Sandman's theme. Or at least I became very familiar with it. I don't know why, but that was one of the motifs that I just latched onto during the film.

Huh, that's funny, so did I. I found myself recognizing it whenever it came up and even remembering it later on.

[The Xyco]

Two words.







HAIR. FLIP.

Someone get me a gif of that. Please.

[Bigfoot]

I just saw it. I liked it, but I have my complaints which have pretty much all been covered.

[pu_freak]

I really liked the movie because they did something what I didn't expect (the Harry saga). The movie didn't focus on Venom but it focused on the "dark Side" of Spidey.

Spoiler: Besides, a villian that was supposed to die isn't acutally dead according to an interview (believe it was IGN). That will probably be Venom, becuase his death was hilarious and he didn't get too much screentime. The other "villian" would be the New Goblin but his death was too important (story-wise) to undo. And the Sandman didn't die.

[Arek the Absolute]

spoiler

well of course venom isn't dead, there are three of them left

[Imagist]

Given that Raimi hopes to keep doing these movies, has it occurred to anyone else that he's thinking ahead with Venom and has some idea like "the explosion scrambled Brock and the symbiote and bonded them together irreversibly," so that Venom will be as fearsome as he ought to be next time around, with doubletalk and giant tongue and less or no grinning Topher Grace? If he plans to keep this up, Raimi's got to know that Venom is a much bigger villain than he was in this film and has got to have a continuing presence, not just a third of a movie, focused on him. Of course, this may not happen if everything falls from underneath him, but it seems to me that Raimi's got to intend something along these lines.

[pu_freak]

You know we put the SPOILER stuff for a reason right?

Anyway, Spoiler time: But yea, that's about what I was hinting at. I don't think we're done with Venom yet. Perhaps the explosion split the symbiote in 2... Carnage? Although it would seem very unlikely to have 2 of the same characters (who are really only impsessive to look at but do not have such a depth stroy-wise, especially Carnage) and another villian-turns-ally story would also seem unlikely. But I do believe in Venom's return

[Arek the Absolute]

more than one venom guys

[Warmech]

Spiderman 4: Kingpin comes in with some classic cronies like Tombstone, Rhino, Shocker, and maybe one or two others

Spiderman 5: Carnage saga

out

[Bigfoot]

I so feel like popping in my Maximum Carnage cartridge.

[Lotd2242]

After seeing that I have to ask, who was the star of that movie again? Peter/Spidey or Harry/Gobby?

[Antipode]

more than one venom guys

Spoiler
Plus, you guys all seem to have forgotten about the fact that Dr. Connors still has that sample left alive.

[chrono26]

forget the venom nonsense, i wanna see some LIZARD in spidey 4. it would be cool to see spiderman fightin underwater and stuff and the audience would be more emotionally attached to conners because we've seen him in these last few movies.

[Thin Crust]

Did anyone else hate the second movie? I sure did. The third looks good though and I probably will see it sometime between classes.

Edit: This movie is halarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av6fWfmugds&NR=1

[Arek the Absolute]

Spoiler
Plus, you guys all seem to have forgotten about the fact that Dr. Connors still has that sample left alive.

more of a "duh" rather than an OMG SPOILER
he didnt say "we are venom" so this venom is t3h loze

[pu_freak]

more of a "duh" rather than an OMG SPOILER
he didnt say "we are venom" so this venom is t3h loze

QFE (10 chars)

[Fxeni]

Well, I saw it, and I found it was ok... not all that good, but it could've been worse. The whole Harry plotline, while inaccurate to the comics, was well executed in the context of the movies. Venom... let's not get into Venom. If I had one word for it, it would be "disappointment". Which is saying a lot, considering I went in expecting it to be bad, based upon the track record of the other 2 movies.

[Penfold]

Saw it on Saturday...it was ok. Read some reviews after, and I think the one from Seattle PI says it all (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/movies/314051_spiderman03q.html).

[Zaboomafoo]

Toby portrayed the emo look very well.
Everyone in the theatre started busted up laughing when we saw him with this hair over his eyes, which was enhanced when someone shouted out "MY CHEMICAL SPIDY". Oh man, lols a plenty. Also, eye liner lol.
Nice taking one for the team Toby.

It's good to know I'm not the only one who thought he looked like Gerard Way.

[Fritz the Cat]

I would have been impressed if the movie's idea of a 'bad' Peter Parker wasn't Leisure Suit Larry.

[Thin Crust]

saw it today. Didn't care for it too much. The reason I didn't like 2 was because there was too much of his love life involved. There may have been more in this one. Also, the whole sand man concept was dull and not necessary for me.

[pu_freak]

I do think they want to make the Spiderman franchise feel like it's not a comic movie.

Every comic fan doesn't like this movie... I think they may have succeeded :P

[I-n-j-i-n]

Really? Because Spidey 3 easily felt the most comicky out of all Spiderman movies so far. Including the totally useless and nonsensical tag teaming and love interests that appear and disappear at whim.

[Bigfoot]

Why are film makers allowed to change the story lines of something big like Spider-Man anyway? When they get the licensing, I'd be like "You guys better follow my damn original story line dammit" lol.

[Maco70]

I saw it last night...
...Why did they fuck it up?
Why?
Why?
Why?


EDIT:
You know we put the SPOILER stuff for a reason right?

Anyway, Spoiler time: But yea, that's about what I was hinting at. I don't think we're done with Venom yet. Perhaps the explosion split the symbiote in 2... Carnage? Although it would seem very unlikely to have 2 of the same characters (who are really only impsessive to look at but do not have such a depth stroy-wise, especially Carnage) and another villian-turns-ally story would also seem unlikely. But I do believe in Venom's return

SPOILER:
Did you not see the skeleton when the pumpkin bomb went off?

[pu_freak]

Who else would be the villian that's not dead after all according to you?

[Maco70]

Who else would be the villian that's not dead after all according to you?

I read that statement 6 times, and I still don't understand what you are trying to say.

[anthonium]

Fixed

According to you all...which villain do you think remains alive?

*10 character limit*

[Lotd2242]

I saw it last night...
...Why did they fuck it up?
Why?
Why?
Why?



It's called studio pressure. They caved to it. The studio saw the hit of Spidey 1 and then watched it get followed up by Spidey 2. So the studio went "we need to top Spidey 2!", which of course to an executive in Hollywood means "more more more!"

Just watching this movie makes it ridiculously obvious that they had one idea for a movie and then they got sidetracked an hour and a half in. It's pretty blatant that they had a story which was going to be the Sandman for a villain with Harry being a constant pain in the ass to coincide with Spidey 2's ending, but then tried to figure out how to stuff in Venom.

The studio clearly wanted more than a B-grade villain like Sandman, and clearly wanted Venom for his popularity. Everything about Venom feels inserted, and everything about Sandman feels like it was cut for the insertion of Venom, like, "we were going to use this scene to explain Sandman's growing control over his powers or his struggle to save his daughter through less than moral means, but instead we needed a scene that shows how a black suit can make Peter Parker Emo."

The only character that has solid development from beginning to end is Harry, and that's only because his subplot worked for both a Sandman movie and a Venom movie equally well.
*Spoilers* By the end of the movie, I was actually wondering who the star and hero was supposed to be. Emo-Parker is annoying rather than scary, and he doesn't even realize or attempt to fight himself turning. He only even gets the suit off by luck, when normally Parker's intelligence allows him to figure this shit out. And then he doesn't get enough screen time to do the thing that Spidey does best: feel guilty. Not once does he even return to the age old moniker of "With great power comes great responsibility." I guess that's because the suit doesn't appear to make him much more powerful, and because they had to rewrite the whole Uncle Ben history to give Sandman a place in a Venom movie.

Harry on the other hand has had his power for all of 15 minutes and he's already easily kicking Peter's ass the whole film over. Even in the final fight, he's clearly the superior force of the two. Moreover, unlike Peter, he actually manages to turn himself around (yes, the Butler thing was stupid, but it was just another thing contrived due to lack of available screen time to show a transition) and then join the fight to stop the villains. Since he wasn't a hero to begin with, it makes him look all the more heroic since he took up the task, made a difference, and then sacrificed himself to save his friend.

Peter didn't even realize he was a dick, got trounced the whole movie over, and then couldn't even take on the main villains without help.


Ultimately, as it always is, desire for profit crushed what could've been a perfectly excellent movie.

[pu_freak]

This is from IGN:

(Spoiler shit)The big surprise in the FoxNews.com report is word that one character who appears to die in Spidey 3 might return for Spidey 4. "It turns out I may not be completely dead," the unnamed actor who plays the unspecified character revealed.

So if you don't think it's Venom that's resurrected or alive after all, who do you think it is?

[Maco70]

Fixed



*10 character limit*

Thank you for the fix.

SPOILER?
Since part of the suit is still alive, Carnage is a possibility, I do doubt it however.
Lizard is also a possibility, but the story for him is pretty weak.

Likely villains which have yet to be touched:
Chameloen
Rhino
Kraven the hunter

And others if I think hard enough.

[Maco70]

This is from IGN:

(Spoiler shit)The big surprise in the FoxNews.com report is word that one character who appears to die in Spidey 3 might return for Spidey 4. "It turns out I may not be completely dead," the unnamed actor who plays the unspecified character revealed.

So if you don't think it's Venom that's resurrected or alive after all, who do you think it is?


Foxnews LOL

spoiled:
It is more likely the Goblin, or some form of the goblin.

[Bigfoot]

It's quite obvious that it's the criminal who Peter thought killed his uncle.

[Maco70]

It's quite obvious that it's the criminal who Peter thought killed his uncle.

But he didn't get killed.

[pu_freak]

It's quite obvious that it's the criminal who Peter thought killed his uncle.
But he didn't get killed.

At least not in Spidey 3, but in Spidey 1

[Penfold]

It's called studio pressure. They caved to it. The studio saw the hit of Spidey 1 and then watched it get followed up by Spidey 2. So the studio went "we need to top Spidey 2!", which of course to an executive in Hollywood means "more more more!"

(...)

Ultimately, as it always is, desire for profit crushed what could've been a perfectly excellent movie.

lol, well profit the is the reason they made the first one, dude. You kinda make it sound like you weren't expecting this to be the usual Hollywood blockbuster fare, which is all about explosions and needless fight scenes.

[Maco70]

At least not in Spidey 3, but in Spidey 1

I'm talking about sand man

[Imagist]

I'm talking about sand man

Then you're not on the same level, because Sandman did kill Peter's uncle. The other guy, who Peter thought killed his uncle until he found out about Sandman, died in the first movie (although that still doesn't fit the ticket of "appearing to die in Spider-Man 3").

[Maco70]

Then you're not on the same level, because Sandman did kill Peter's uncle. The other guy, who Peter thought killed his uncle until he found out about Sandman, died in the first movie (although that still doesn't fit the ticket of "appearing to die in Spider-Man 3").

In case what I typed wasn't clear (which I don't think it was).
The article states that one character who dies in spiderman 3 would be back in the fourth.
I Said that the sandman didn't die, so it couldn't be him.

[Imagist]

In case what I typed wasn't clear (which I don't think it was).
The article states that one character who dies in spiderman 3 would be back in the fourth.
I Said that the sandman didn't die, so it couldn't be him.

And I said that no one was talking about Sandman. You said "he didn't get killed" in response to Bigfoot's suggestion that it was the guy Peter thought killed his uncle, but that was erroneous; the guy Peter thought killed his uncle did, in fact, die. I understand perfectly what you meant in regards to Sandman, but you're the only one who was mistakenly referring to him.

Critical reading saves lives, folks.

[G_D]

Spiderman 3 was HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If my fiancee hadn't actually liked it, it would've been the most fun I've had in a theater in ages. In fact, I'm hoping that I can go with some of my other friends who are equally entertained by bad movies, just so I can laugh through it.

In other news, I recently realized that by going to see movies like Spiderman 3, Harry Potter 5, and Pirates of the Caribbean 3 in theaters, I am contributing to the creation of horrible movies by Hollywood. Not that HP 5 and PotC 3 are definitely bad movies, but I'm guessing they will be. Regardless, they're all overplayed sequels.

I am a bad citizen for aiding in the perpetuation of such mental torture ;_;

Also, misunderstanding FTL.

[Broken]

Someone's been watching too much IFC. Since when did we grow a conscience and actually care that Hollywood is essentially stealing our money in order to make sequel after bad sequel after bad sequel.

It's just a fact of life. If you're worried about accidentaly funding an awful movie, then stay away from theaters.

But above, you did say you thought it was funny (in that "this movie is amazingly awful" way,) so if that was your reason for watching the movie, then Okie Dokie.

[anthonium]

I personally don't want to see any villain come back. I don't want to see Venom or Carnage. I want to see something that could be more interesting...say Shocker or better yet Mysterio. I could see a lot of cool special effects done with Mysterio and a interesting storyline with him.

[G_D]

Oh, I'm not worried about funding bad movies. It just makes me feel funny, in an 'I-don't-really-care-but-it's-still-disappointing' sort of way.

[Imagist]

Now that I think back, the real reason I paid $7.25 was to see the trailers for Ocean's Thirteen and The Bourne Ultimatum. Also, the Harry Potter 5 trailer was grotesquely intense. I swear there was a colorful explosion in every other shot, and I can't wait to see it.

[The Author]

I saw it last night...
...Why did they fuck it up?
Why?
Why?
Why?


EDIT:


SPOILER:
Did you not see the skeleton when the pumpkin bomb went off?

Riddle me this:

How did harry only get his face burned off while brock got disintegrated?

I say Venom lived because Spidey was blinded by the emo hair and the bright light.

[Bigfoot]

I'm talking about sand man

Yeah, but I said the criminal he thought that killed his uncle.

[Maco70]

And I said that no one was talking about Sandman. You said "he didn't get killed" in response to Bigfoot's suggestion that it was the guy Peter thought killed his uncle, but that was erroneous; the guy Peter thought killed his uncle did, in fact, die. I understand perfectly what you meant in regards to Sandman, but you're the only one who was mistakenly referring to him.

Critical reading saves lives, folks.

O
I need to sleep more, and type less.
I blame finals week.

I personally don't want to see any villain come back. I don't want to see Venom or Carnage. I want to see something that could be more interesting...say Shocker or better yet Mysterio. I could see a lot of cool special effects done with Mysterio and a interesting storyline with him.

I don't know if they can do those characters, Both were done in the movie games. The Mysterio storyline was cool, but I dunno... isn't that against the rules or something?

[pu_freak]

I don't know if they can do those characters, Both were done in the movie games. The Mysterio storyline was cool, but I dunno... isn't that against the rules or something?

If they did that, there wouldn't be many villians left. The game and movies are seperate. The Lizard is probably up for the next film, but he also appeared in a game already.

I'm having two thoughts about an eventual reappearance of Venom. I'd love to see him the way he should be with enough screen-time, wicked voice and big posture. That said, it's a little lame to make another move about Venom. He was the big crowd-puller for this movie and they can't do the same trick twice (well they can, but it'd be lame).

Let them keep the cast for now, get the scriptwriter from the first film back (forgot the name and I'm too lazy to look it up)and then we'll see about villians and stuff. Also, put a Black Cat in the movie, that's always good to look at ;)

[Thin Crust]

Now that I think back, the real reason I paid $7.25 was to see the trailers for Ocean's Thirteen and The Bourne Ultimatum. Also, the Harry Potter 5 trailer was grotesquely intense. I swear there was a colorful explosion in every other shot, and I can't wait to see it.

We must have seen different trailers then. Because at my theatre, we saw Harry Potter 5(which this time looks good), Rush Hour 3, that penguin movie, Pirates of the Caribbean 3, and possibly one other but I don't think so.

[Arek the Absolute]

Now that I think back, the real reason I paid $7.25 was to see the trailers for Ocean's Thirteen and The Bourne Ultimatum. Also, the Harry Potter 5 trailer was grotesquely intense. I swear there was a colorful explosion in every other shot, and I can't wait to see it.
Harry Potter? Dude was ripped.
I totally expect harry to have a deep voice and say "IM HARRY POTTER MUTHAFUCKA."

[Lotd2242]

lol, well profit the is the reason they made the first one, dude. You kinda make it sound like you weren't expecting this to be the usual Hollywood blockbuster fare, which is all about explosions and needless fight scenes.

I was hoping that the creative team that made the masterpieces of 1 and 2 would be able to at least hammer out a cohesive movie. I was expecting them to fuck it up, but I never thought I'd have to endure Emo-Peter.

[Maco70]

I was hoping that the creative team that made the masterpieces of 1 and 2 would be able to at least hammer out a cohesive movie. I was expecting them to fuck it up, but I never thought I'd have to endure Emo-Peter.

He just looked emo, he was really just an enormous bag of douche.

I think is was stupid the way they portrayed him as "evil". It really just made him look like an idiot.
Evil people dance apparently.
That was the symbiote's real power.

[Broken]

He just looked emo, he was really just an enormous bag of douche.

I think is was stupid the way they portrayed him as "evil". It really just made him look like an idiot.
Evil people dance apparently.
That was the symbiote's real power.

spoiler-ish Uhhh, it caused him to slap his fiancee. I'd say thats pretty bad. The whole point of that section was to show that the symbiote caused him to be more aggressive and less meek. That's a pretty radical change for Peter Parker.

[Maco70]

spoiler-ish Uhhh, it caused him to slap his fiancee. I'd say thats pretty bad. The whole point of that section was to show that the symbiote caused him to be more aggressive and less meek. That's a pretty radical change for Peter Parker.

In a sense I'd agree, but for a typical audience, the stuff he did wasn't that bad.
I can think of several better ways for them to portray a turning to the dark side.

[Broken]

Jonah, eat your heart out...oh wait, I already did MWAHAHAHAH!!!!

Evil Parker wins

Fatality!

Flawless Victory.

[megadave]

He just looked emo, he was really just an enormous bag of douche.

I think is was stupid the way they portrayed him as "evil". It really just made him look like an idiot.
Evil people dance apparently.
That was the symbiote's real power.

Yeah, what a dork.

[Lotd2242]

He just looked emo, he was really just an enormous bag of douche.

I think is was stupid the way they portrayed him as "evil". It really just made him look like an idiot.
Evil people dance apparently.
That was the symbiote's real power.

True. He acted like a drunken frat boy instead of someone who's become progressively more aggressive and arrogant to the point of becoming like Batman.

[Eshto]

I for one loved the movie and I thought "emo Peter" was hysterical. I like that they made him a drunken fratboy - in real life, people who become self-absorbed or addicted to something don't turn evil in a cool "Batman" way - they turn into complete and utter douchebags, they make asses of themselves in public and turn everyone away - except for the few people with issues who are actually attracted to that self-destructive type (Ms. Brant?). It just reminded me of the friends I've had who have had problems with drugs, they didn't get cool, they turned into friggin' idiots and were annoying to be around.

And by "problems" with drugs I do mean addiction, lest anyone think I'm a straight edge or something.

In any case, there are some things about the movie I would change, but the way asshole Peter acted, especially how he treats the neighbor girl, was funny as hell and I loved it.

[pu_freak]

I couldn't agree more with Eshto... the bad-dude Parker was never meant to be cool. I like the way they did it, bbut there were things over-the-top. And the eyeliner had got to go

[Lotd2242]

It was never meant for him to be cool, but he didn't turn into a retarded dork either. For one, the suit never came off like in the movie, and typically morphed into whatever clothes he was wearing, so he had it on constantly over a considerable time period. It didn't make him a dancing fool or lower his IQ by 150 points. It made him progessively more aggressive and arrogant as time wore on. It worked to emphasize the "with great power, comes great responsibility" theme of the whole comic. He started to abuse his powers.

Granted, you have to speed things up for a movie, but the only scene in which Peter acts like he should with the suit on is the fight with Harry, where the normally reserved Parker has decided he isn't going to put up with Harry's crap. He's even taunting him and using excessive force. That's Peter on the suit. Not John Travolta walking the city streets.

[The Author]

But you have to keep in mind that the suite made him what he wanted to be. In his case he became a "lady's man". Okay, it sucked a bit (and was hillarious too), but it was the best way to show that the suit made him aggressive and overconfident.

The problem is that throughout the movie, he was cocky even without the suit. Venom came at a much later time in his spiderman career. In the movie, he has been spiderman for a short time, only had to fight 2 enemies, was getting popular. The suit, and the character, were a lot more limited than in the comics, where he could have worn the suit for months before becoming changed.

Lets put it this way, the comic book venom is more like cigarette. In the movie, venom was like crack cocaine.

[Broken]

Lets put it this way, the comic book venom is more like cigarette. In the movie, venom was like crack cocaine.

Excellent simile.

[Lotd2242]

Except that's not how the suit works. The suit makes you powerful and then being evil, it influences you to abuse that power to take what you want and to hell with anyone else because they're weaker.

He never wanted to be a ladies' man anyway, not even in the movies. He was always focused on getting MJ. Plus, the only person that's even impressed by his antics for even an instant is Gwen, so it didn't even achieve that goal, making him and the suit incompetent buffoons instead of an evil menace.

Spoilers
If they had stayed true to the suit, then rather taking Gwen for a spin around the dance floor to spite MJ's breaking up with him, he would've spent the movie stalking her and more or less wrecking any guy who looked at her the wrong way. Or, if you want to go with the ladies' man angle however contrived and overused it may be, he should've been walking down the street with bimbos on either arm and "accidentally" bumped into her. The part where he's beating down the bouncers was much more on theme.

Moreover, it's silly to go and more or less poke fun at the whole idea of Parker being evil, particularly when it's supposed to be the central theme of the movie. They spent all that time advertising "the greatest battle lies within." What battle? He tried to hit on some women and took a spin around the dance floor looing like a jackass. He wasn't trying to fight his ever growing abuses of power. He didn't even have an ever growing abuse of power. If they had done it right, it would've been more like Doc Ock in Spidey 2 with the tentacles influencing him to be evil in order to meet his own needs.

The stupidest thing about the whole episode is that the majority of his behavior could be attributed to a regular old tantrum as a result of the events of the movie, not the evil doings of a symbiotic organism from outer space. But hey, it must be the suit since they spent all that fifteen seconds talking about how it increases aggression. And now, naturally, it won't come off when he could stick it in a closet before.

It was just poorly executed on every level, which is a shame because the symbiote is a fabulous plot device. Take your hero, whose whole creed is to use power responsibly, then jack up his power level with an alien entity that constantly whispers in his ear that he's invincible and can do whatever he wants.

What did we get instead? Cirque du Soleil's new Emo show.

[The Author]

I was tempted to call the movie: Moulin Spiderman.

It felt like a musical. I'm not saying it was a good movie, or an accurate portrayal of Venom, I'm just saying the suit influenced him differently. It didn't drive him psycho stalker because the movie had to be kid accessible. A good rendition of psychostalker Peter would have been closer to Venom, but unacceptable for a younger audience.

And who did Kirsten Dunst sleep with anyway to get that pointless song at the start of the movie?

[Maco70]

And who did Kirsten Dunst sleep with anyway to get that pointless song at the start of the movie?


She didn't sleep with me... =(

I was thinking the same thing though. If they cut out or shortened the scene at the beginning they could have made more movie. A lot of wasted time in this flick.
Especially watching several minutes of sand.

[The Author]

The whole getting up scene may have been long, but it was... perfect. There was something tragically beautiful.

[Maco70]

The whole getting up scene may have been long, but it was... perfect. There was something tragically beautiful.

It was stunning, I'll agree... but it was a waste of time in the grand scheme of things.

[The Author]

It was stunning, I'll agree... but it was a waste of time in the grand scheme of things.


Peter should have kept the suit until the end of the movie, leading into a fourth movie.

[Lotd2242]

If I were going to structure the post Spidey 2 films, I would've done it thusly.

Spider-Man 3 would more or less have been the current first hour and a half minus the black suit. Instead we'd learn about the Sandman, a sympathetic villain just trying to help his kid, therefore presenting Spidey with a moral condundrum. He understands Sandman's motives, but knows robbery is no way to go about it, and further knows "with great power..." I would've emphasized the dynamic between the two, with the Sandman growing quickly more difficult to handle as he figures out his powers. You can toss in some filler with Harry and MJ where appropriate, but mostly, it's Parker trying to figure out what to do about an extremely powerful villain with whom he sympathizes.

Spider-Man 4 would feature the arrival of the suit, and the conclusion of the New Goblin arc. With that addition would come the Lizard. In this way, Parker is faced with two villains he doesn't want to hurt, but the overwhelming power of the suit and his frustration with Harry, Eddie Brock, and all the other characters is driving him to be more and more violent. Toss in the issues one faces in having a fiancee, and maybe a competing lower maintenance love interest like Felicia Harding. It would center around Parker's struggle to combat the suit and his own dark desires as much as anything else. And we'd get to see a little of Parker's genius side while Doc Connor is out being the Lizard, requiring Parker to figure out the suit on his own and a way to cure his mentor.

Of course, at the end of Spidey 4 Brock would've gotten the suit. So Spidey 5 would showcase Venom, a seemingly upstoppable villain who hell bent on attacking Parker at every turn. Maybe he's forced to team up with some old nemesis to find a way to stop him.

And then, to round it all off, we have Spidey 6, the Carnage film. Parker and MJ are finally married and trying to deal with the perils of married life when yet another menace comes to town. Spidey is forced to team up with the reformed Venom to stop Carnage. Parker has to come to grips with the fact that this villain can't be captured or negotiated with, and that he'll have no choice but to find a way to kill him, if he can, something he couldn't even do to Venom.

I think that way each movie could build on one another, and the last one goes out with a bang.

[Raziellink]

If I were going to structure the post Spidey 2 films, I would've done it thusly.

Spider-Man 3 would more or less have been the current first hour and a half minus the black suit. Instead we'd learn about the Sandman, a sympathetic villain just trying to help his kid, therefore presenting Spidey with a moral condundrum. He understands Sandman's motives, but knows robbery is no way to go about it, and further knows "with great power..." I would've emphasized the dynamic between the two, with the Sandman growing quickly more difficult to handle as he figures out his powers. You can toss in some filler with Harry and MJ where appropriate, but mostly, it's Parker trying to figure out what to do about an extremely powerful villain with whom he sympathizes.

Spider-Man 4 would feature the arrival of the suit, and the conclusion of the New Goblin arc. With that addition would come the Lizard. In this way, Parker is faced with two villains he doesn't want to hurt, but the overwhelming power of the suit and his frustration with Harry, Eddie Brock, and all the other characters is driving him to be more and more violent. Toss in the issues one faces in having a fiancee, and maybe a competing lower maintenance love interest like Felicia Harding. It would center around Parker's struggle to combat the suit and his own dark desires as much as anything else. And we'd get to see a little of Parker's genius side while Doc Connor is out being the Lizard, requiring Parker to figure out the suit on his own and a way to cure his mentor.

Of course, at the end of Spidey 4 Brock would've gotten the suit. So Spidey 5 would showcase Venom, a seemingly upstoppable villain who hell bent on attacking Parker at every turn. Maybe he's forced to team up with some old nemesis to find a way to stop him.

And then, to round it all off, we have Spidey 6, the Carnage film. Parker and MJ are finally married and trying to deal with the perils of married life when yet another menace comes to town. Spidey is forced to team up with the reformed Venom to stop Carnage. Parker has to come to grips with the fact that this villain can't be captured or negotiated with, and that he'll have no choice but to find a way to kill him, if he can, something he couldn't even do to Venom.

I think that way each movie could build on one another, and the last one goes out with a bang.

That's pretty much how i would've done it aswell. It makes alot more sense, and doesn't feel rushed that way.

[Emanon]

I think it's kind of pointless to speculate about how many movies there "should" have been. It's just not going to happen. This will probably be the last direct spider-man movie done with this cast and crew. Anything else will be a completely new revision. Why not simply concentrate on what's there? You can go on and on about how you "would" have done it, but come on. We all would have done it pretty much the same way given a chance.

As far as the battle within: they did show that several times and NOT with the women or Mary Jane. That was just a side effect put in for laughs and some much needed comedic relief. If you pay attention you would have perhaps noticed that he attacks and "kills" two enemies he might have other wise taken mercy upon. I'm not sure many of you were looking though. Too busy rolling your eyes to see what was there.

[The Author]

Please, we saw some aspects of the battle within, but nothing really important.


And what was up with the complete lack of guilt about killing an innocent man after learning the guy he killed in the first movie may not have been the killer.

[Azure Prower]

Spider man with the full black suit and mask on = bad ass
no mask on = a joke

Goblin went out with a glorious and fitting ending = dead

Venom was only just getting started and it left an opening for a come back = not dead

[Raziellink]

Spider man with the full black suit and mask on = bad ass
no mask on = a joke

Goblin went out with a glorious and fitting ending = dead

Venom was only just getting started and it left an opening for a come back = not dead

You mean the little piece in Doctor Conners' lab?

[chrono26]

And what was up with the complete lack of guilt about killing an innocent man after learning the guy he killed in the first movie may not have been the killer.

he didnt kill the guy in the first movie. the guy fell out the window when peter moved toward him. peter probably wasnt even planning on killing him so he shouldnt have too much guilt about that.

[The Author]

Please, every version of Spiderman is so emo, it feels guilty when eating steak.

[Azure Prower]

Please, every version of Spiderman is so emo, it feels guilty when eating steak.

Shh about the steak or you'll make him cry. :(

http://www.d-zone.org/Spider%20man%203.jpg

[Warmech]

You mean you guys don't want to see Kingpin? Or Rhino? Maybe Tombstone? Or the best villian ever, Shocker?!

[Broken]

I'm sorry, but Craven The Hunter is the best villan ever. His animal hide jacket is so FABULOUS!

Shocker comes in a very close second, though.

[Maco70]

You mean you guys don't want to see Kingpin? Or Rhino? Maybe Tombstone? Or the best villian ever, Shocker?!

Shocker was in the movie game, I dunno if they'll put him in the movie now.

As for Kingpin...
he was in daredevil. He's done.

[pu_freak]

Yea, another reason why I don't like Daredevil :P

I still want the WIlson Fisk as they put him in the Spiderman cartoon. He was so much more dark and imposing there.

[Warmech]

Exactly. You know no one counts Daredevil as ever actually being made.

[The Author]

Exactly. You know no one counts Daredevil as ever actually being made.

If only because it can erase Elektra from existence.

[pu_freak]

Exactly. You know no one counts Daredevil as ever actually being made.If only because it can erase Elektra from existence.

Right... and Elektra only had one good thing in it...

[samic']

I just loooooved SpiderMan 3, and was in a really good mood when I came out of the theatre.

And then my buddy, who was walking besides me, just said: "What an awful movie, that totally sucked!"

...

Kinda different opinions about this movie, I guess.

[Lotd2242]

The sad thing is, as bad as many of these comic book movies have been, none of them top how bad the video game movies have been.

I was watching BloodRayne on TV, and it's the first time in a while I was happy when a commercial came on.

[DragonFireKai]

Damn You Uwe Boll! Why do they keep giving him movies?