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Triad Orion 06-04-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tensei (Post 864360)
Oh come on, that's some conspiracy theory-level stuff right there. It's not like they want to keep milking this cow for all it's worth, they genuinely care about the game and want to keep introducing new and interesting champion concepts. If the balance of a new champ occasionally feels off, it's probably more because of the new and untested mechanics they're introducing with each release, not because they're that desperate to sell their new champs.

Yeah, this. Their champs are gonna sell regardless of whether they're OP or balanced, and even if they're OP they usually get nerfed in line within a couple of weeks and then they're generally counterable.

prophetik music 06-04-2012 12:23 PM

i honestly can't tell if he's being serious or not...

k-wix 06-04-2012 03:10 PM

On the subject of champion rebalancing, who do you guys think are some of the most underpowered champions, or those that don't really do a lot compared to the others?

I'd really like for them to take a look at Zilean and perhaps change some things with Xerath, like his passive, he just never gets played.

prophetik music 06-04-2012 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by k-wix (Post 864381)
On the subject of champion rebalancing, who do you guys think are some of the most underpowered champions, or those that don't really do a lot compared to the others?

I'd really like for them to take a look at Zilean and perhaps change some things with Xerath, like his passive, he just never gets played.

usage numbers are weird. i mean, zil is used more than singed?

zil doesn't get played much because he has no sustain, and he's either a support character that can't offtank, heal, or easily set up kills easily (nunu, shen, blitz, etc) or an ap burst mage with one spell. i think his character concept is super cool, but i think he has zero place on a normal team until dual top comes back (and even they he's mostly worthless). he can be decent late game but invariably he's got nothing built by then and either evaporates or uses his speed boost to run away.

there are a lot of champs that used to be great but aren't anymore. sivir is a trainwreck now, nerfed to oblivion. eve is always mentioned as a terrible champ now that she has no stun. corki's a decent player but never gets played anymore. same with malphite (whose numbers aren't bad, so i don't know why he's here) and alistar (some of the best tank CC in the game if you can afford CDR).

zircon 06-04-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by k-wix (Post 864381)
On the subject of champion rebalancing, who do you guys think are some of the most underpowered champions, or those that don't really do a lot compared to the others?

I'd really like for them to take a look at Zilean and perhaps change some things with Xerath, like his passive, he just never gets played.

Evelynn: Too many reasons to count.
Twitch: OK other than dumb stealth mechanic.
Katarina: Too easily countered; a mage that needs to be up close and has no tankiness.
Akali: A little too all-or-nothing.
Brand: Overnerfed.
Orianna: Overnerfed.
Ezreal: Too much skill for not enough payoff.
Kayle: Jack of all trades, master of none.
Gragas: Hard to use for minimal payoff.
Garen: Very easily countered, minimal utility.
Nasus: Easily countered, weird all-or-nothing mechanic.
Veigar: Same as Nasus.
Wukong: Maybe not underpowered, but SO BLAND
Talon: On the overnerfed side still.
Poppy: Hard to fit into a team despite having decent skills.
Master Yi: In the right direction but suffers from the same problem as other melee carries.
Sejuani: Really weak jungler and toplaner compared to others.
LeBlanc: Too much earlygame, not enough lategame.
Heimerdinger: Mana costs too high to be useful.
Irelia: Overnerfed?
Karma: Mana costs way too high for things others can do better.
Twisted Fate: Outshined by too many others.
Miss Fortune: Same as TF.

Keep in mind these are varying degrees of underpowered-ness...

The Derrit 06-04-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by prophetik music (Post 864445)
usage numbers are weird. i mean, zil is used more than singed?

zil doesn't get played much because he has no sustain, and he's either a support character that can't offtank, heal, or easily set up kills easily (nunu, shen, blitz, etc) or an ap burst mage with one spell. i think his character concept is super cool, but i think he has zero place on a normal team until dual top comes back (and even they he's mostly worthless). he can be decent late game but invariably he's got nothing built by then and either evaporates or uses his speed boost to run away.

there are a lot of champs that used to be great but aren't anymore. sivir is a trainwreck now, nerfed to oblivion. eve is always mentioned as a terrible champ now that she has no stun. corki's a decent player but never gets played anymore. same with malphite (whose numbers aren't bad, so i don't know why he's here) and alistar (some of the best tank CC in the game if you can afford CDR).

i see alistar and malphite all the time. and i think zilean does fine bottom you have to be careful but its about putting bombs either directly on people or on minions about to die so it will instasplode. his slow is enough to get you a kill in most ganks or if someone overextends. you just can't play janna 'i get 0 cs' with him you need some to get you started up, which despite conventional wisdom is TOTALLY FINE

Neblix 06-04-2012 09:54 PM

Veigar: Range. :'(

eternal Zero 06-04-2012 10:20 PM

Corki gets played all the time especially in competitive play. He's what Ezreal wishes he could be. High mobility, high burst, and high dps due to armor shred. Also the ability to solo top 100% effectively against any other top is impressive. He's very hard to counter and very hard to gank.

Veigar gets decent play because he's a solid counter to guys like Ahri or Lulu who are highly annoying and mobile and squishy (well at least Ahri will be squishier...probably not cause it's a baby nerf also Lulu is squishy if she can't cast). It's mainly a risk though because it goes into layers of who can outplay who. A fed Veigar dominates everybody. That's not easy to get to though.

Also the concept of mid Zilean is very similar to mid Lulu but he just doesn't do it nearly as well. That's probably why you see him get played.

zircon 06-04-2012 10:58 PM

Zilean as a hard support is reasonably effective. He has good utility and is similar to Nunu in that he is very aggressive. I think he's underplayed for no real reason.

prophetik music 06-04-2012 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by zircon (Post 864465)
Zilean as a hard support is reasonably effective. He has good utility and is similar to Nunu in that he is very aggressive. I think he's underplayed for no real reason.

but nunu's ult does 750 damage base at level 3 with no ap. zil has one offensive spell. utility is only effective if you can do something with it.

sona has her ult and various buffs for the entire team.
soraka has mr boost, amazing heals, shreds enemy defenses, and space bananas!
janna has tons of cc, a great shield/dps buff, and her ult which if used correctly can win teamfights almost singlehandedly.
nunu has almost infinite sustain in-lane, the longest slow in the game, an as/movespeed boost, and a crazy ult.
blitz has three forms of cc, hidden tankiness with his passive, and is a game-changer if played well.
taric has great heals, easy mana regen, armor boost, and (imo) a fantastic ult that is basically a short baron buff.
shen has that dash that always gets kills, a dagger that heals his carry, and an awesome ult.
jarvan...well, don't botlane jarvan, but his ult basically makes it impossible to towerdive him.
naut has tons of cc, gap-closing abilities, and crazy innate tankiness with almost no items.
kayle has the best heal in the game pound for pound, a better ult than zil, excessive ranged dps, and a great slow. plus almost no one can 1v1 her at early levels if you have a brain.

i don't think zil matches up with any of them. he has a movespeed buff/debuff, his bombs, and his ult - but kayle has the same stuff and can do it better. nunu does the speed/slow thing better because of his sustain and better damage. shen has a better ult as well, and gives you that huge taunt and healing in-lane.

zil may be effective to a point, but so are a lot of better options.


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