can we play an ocr ranked game sometime soon

i know we've got 5 lvl 30s

we sure can't

I'd be willing to sometime, but as I've noted, I'm not the best player in the world, so.

On a different note...

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/g...hanics-preview

Graves seems pretty neat, even if I still say he's completely out of place in the game.

out of place? how do you figure

I dunno. Knights and samurai and wizards and crap seem fine, but for some reason a random cowboy is striking me as out of place. Can't really put my finger on it.

I had the same conclusion. But there's sentient rats popping out of waste in the sewer so I guess a cowboy isn't so farfetched.

It's weird as hell. I can deal with all the other stuff in the game, the vikings and pirates and robots and fighter pilots, but for some reason there's a voice in my head yelling 'COWBOY?! WTF?!'

Im gonna try later now im using Master Yi

TF is a cowboy.

in terms of l30 OCR people that play together, i know that zero, myself, zircon, derrit, kitty, and radiofreegamer are all 30s, with bardic close behind. i'm sure that the seven of us will be able to get together at some point =)

Nope. Twisted Fate is a gypsy. :)

tf is a cowboy gypsy.

TF is a nerfed.

TF is a Southern Gambler and a gentleman. Also. Awesome.

so is there any real use for sivir she dies so easily and doesn't have much outside of her bouncy things

She's like TF. You split push with her. Ignore team fights at all costs.

TF is easy to handle in my first play with him i kill 10 champions and im playing since friday
So if anyone want to add me my summoner name is Belenus7 in north american server but i only play in the late night (0:00, 1:00 Argentinian hour GMT-3:00)

TF is a multifaceted ranged carry. Can do AP, AD, or hybrid and be effective. Takes a decent amount of player skill to make him as effective as say Vayne or Caitlyn. Even more skill is required to make his AP build work because of the amount of farm it needs but when up and running he has amazing pokes and even if the enemy team is defending a tower he can easily take it down with a few (like 5) monstrous Lich-Bane powered red cards. There's a reason he was so very popular with the pro EU scene for a while because he actually gave the game a semblance of mobility and ganking which is the norm in DotA. Now with his ult ranged nerfed he's not nearly as strong but still a contender in the right hands.

Sivir is a monster pusher and amazing AD carry if/when fed. You have to have farming ingrained into your fingers and be willing to just stand and fight when you're surrounded by the enemy team. You have amazing attack speed, damage, and are frail outside to 1 or 2 spells you can block with your spell shield and BV. Again high skill required to make her as effective as the easier ranged carries. However the difference with Sivir is that when you're fed you can 1v5 the enemy team and come out on top more often than not. You've seen me do this a few times.

Sivir is probably the most underrated AD carry in the game. Like what Zero said, she is a high skill-required champion. I have a friend who plays her and he's a beast with her.

the 'best' champs in the game are the ones that yield high-results with the least effort

that's why sivir, despite being fucking terrifying in the right hands, is almost never played because very few people actually have the right hands

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/n...-graves-outlaw

So he's not a cowboy he's a PIRATE. :U

Fixed :P
Anyway i want to see the champion spotlight before seeing if use him or not

i've just never seen a sivir past summoner lv like 10. trying to play her she has no survivability or mana until she's built either so its definitely tricky i'll say that much

She has a spell shield and a built in ghost, and bonus dodge as long as she's moving. I wouldn't say she has no survivability.

I believe she was played once by one of the teams at IEM in Guangzhou. Can't recall which team or match unfortunately.

The reason you don't see Sivir is because she's an AD carry with shit range and no CC at all. Very few reasons to pick her over champions like Ashe, Caitlyn and even Miss Fortune. Stop trolling, Tensei, etc.

Except that theory kinda goes out of the door with Champions like Cassiopeia and Orianna who are all really strong but also have a pretty high skill ceiling. Sivir isn't hard to play, she's just lackluster.

i played against a sivir recently who had 500AD thanks to triple bloodthirsters. she farmed like a beast all game and got triple kills in like every single fight.

Anyone else getting silly long queues for Dominion? I mean 8-120+ minutes.
The timer only goes to 60 minutes.

Player skill does not equal champion viability. I know Zircon has had some great games as Evelynn but that doesn't make her or Sivir amazing champions. Hell, I've had hugely positive KDR and win ratio with Dunk Yi, still doesn't mean that Dunk Yi is a good build. That guy you're talking about would have most likely rolled you with any Champion.

Well, if a champion is viable in the hands of a good player, doesn't that make it the champion difficult but usable?

I think all the champions in the game are viable... though Mundo is so bad he's practically in a tier of his own. Player skill has more to do with winning than what champion you pick, but that doesn't mean there aren't differences in champion effectiveness.

There's a difference there. I believe Sivir is only strong in the sense that if the player behind her is a lot better than the opposition, then she can dominate, but the same player would probably be able to roll the game playing any other champion as well. The player skill is more important than the viability of the champion in this scenario.

However, if the skill level is more or less equal across the board, Sivir would just end up being a liability, whereas good but hard to play Champions like Orianna, Cassiopeia etc. would still be very strong.

Looking at the larger picture though, I suppose it doesn't matter that much because skill levels are all over the place in matchmaking, so pretty much every champion is viable when you're comfortable with playing them.

Hell, I've been told that my character sucked more than once, because I wasn't racking up enough kills (with Janna) or that I wasn't doing enough damage (top damage dealer with Anivia).

You can get some pretty darn stupid people on that game. However, some random people are actually quite nice and will understand when you mess up, and will offer to help you if you start falling behind.

Others will complain about feeding and will let you all alone against a foe that got 1 lucky kill, used that lead to kill you once or twice more and now is 4 levels ahead of you.

Mundo's not bad, I don't think. People just don't know what to do with him.

Going full tank on him really cuts his usefullness. His E gives him 100 AD at rank 5, and has almost 100% uptime. That's crazy, that's slightly more than two BF swords, and no one builds to take advantage of that. Every Mundo I see either goes full tank or stacks Warmog's, and as a result spends the entire game derping around and being useless.

he's got nice poke early, and can harass nicely. he's also awesome in 3v3.

he can't do anything late, though, unless he's fed to the max. so yeah, to a point i agree with you, zircon.

that's a funny joke

Orianna is one of the more complex heroes to play -- compare the difficulty of positioning her ball to Annie's direct target, fire-and-forget spells.

Actually, Annie only has one direct target "fire and forget" spell.

And two AoEs, one of which is quite large and can follow people around.

Even if only one of her spells is direct target, she's still got a pretty low skill cap.