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Old 08-23-2003, 07:58 AM
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Default OCR01029 - Chrono Trigger 'Jethro and Vash at the Fair'

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Old 08-23-2003, 08:07 AM
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You have done a good thing master pretzel.=D I love the Trigun influence, because it's such a unique ST. good luck in the new homestead man.
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Old 08-23-2003, 08:08 AM
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Wow. This is RIGHT OUT of Trigun.

One of my favs, by far.

Excellent work here, pretz. Good luck to ya. ;)
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Old 08-23-2003, 08:24 AM
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Interesting sounds going on here ... I'm guessing that's a soundfont guitar, or Pretzel got into guitar a while ago (maybe a Motif preset I haven't heard yet ... since there's no fret or sliding noise, I doubt it's real). The strumming sounds a little akward here.

Anyway! Nitpicking aside, this is quite a nice folk tune. I can almost imagine a gypsy band playing it at a market or something. Well done!
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Old 08-23-2003, 08:30 AM
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Nice. Very nicely done djpretzel.
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Old 08-23-2003, 09:08 AM
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Feh. Right out of Trigun, huh? I bet half of you guys have never even *heard* of Tull (thankyouthankyouthankyou djp for referencing them, I can definitely hear the influence). And besides, the intro chord progression is Norwegian Wood. It is! Really, listen to it, sing along. "I once met a girl, or should I say, she once met me." It's the *same progression*. I'm not sure if Mitsuda and Uematsu noticed it, but it even feels like Norwegian Wood.

(this isn't to say I don't like the Trigun OST - but it's much more Tullish than Gunnish)

Good points... the melody at 1:08. Feels *very* Tullish. Thoroughly enjoy that one, there. The flute sound is quite excellent. The bass line is good - I'm glad you didn't just opt for a I - V - I and take the easy way out. A little more variation in the bass would have been nice.

Neutral points... well, some of the notes in the acoustic guitar throw me for a loop. I can't quite figure out why they're there, but they make sense. The drums are nice, but I'm missing some variation there, and some extra instruments would have fleshed it out a bit more, I believe. Possibly (if you're counting it in 6/8, which I'm assuming is what it is) shekere and afuche with accents on one and four, tambourine on four, cowbell playing one three four six one three five (gogo bells would work too, low on the first half, high on the second), maybe some timbale fills... percussion wise, I think it works as it is right now, but could be improved. (It's entirely possible the way I assumed the time signature was will make no sense in the morning, anyway)

To be honest with you, this feels like something that would be in a modern video game. I mean, the sounds and everything. I don't like guitar when it's not played (I'm assuming this wasn't actually played on a guitar live, it feels and sounds too strange). It feels like it should be direct from a video game, rather than a remix. Almost sounds like one of the themes from Xenogears, but I can't quite put my finger on what it feels like. Anyway, I appreciate the mix for what it is, regardless of how much I don't like the song itself, but even so, this feels very repetitive. I know there's not much subject matter, but it just has a feeling of repetition. And the ending... Tull stylish, but very abrupt. It just *ends*. As a guitarist, this feels very natural, but I don't particularly like. It perhaps a fingerstyle run of the chords with the melody might work?

It sounds good, but in my opinion, it's no more than mediocre. Not awful, but not your best work.

(all, again, in my opinion)
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Old 08-23-2003, 10:02 AM
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I'm a huge Tull fan so this was a nice treat. :) The section at 1:10 in particular has that Tull vibe and is insanely cool to boot.

Very groovy stuff.

Hey, just noticed that two days in a row now the mix writeup has included a link to a prog-group...let's try to keep that trend going. ^_^
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Old 08-23-2003, 11:08 AM
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And besides, the intro chord progression is Norwegian Wood. It is! Really, listen to it, sing along. "I once met a girl, or should I say, she once met me." It's the *same progression*. I'm not sure if Mitsuda and Uematsu noticed it, but it even feels like Norwegian Wood.
Heh, nice call on that one, but they aren't exactly the same. On Norwegian Wood when it returns to the tonic chord it goes down, and in this one it goes up. But um, yeah they are very similar.
I really liked this piece, it has a great vibe to it, that just puts you in a happy place. I especially like the percussion work, as it's more complex than most people would settle for. Also the added notes in sections never feel unnecassary to me. I thought everything was pulled off very well. From the call and response soloing to the breakdown in the middle. Minor gripes with the ending though. It just...stops. Shoulda gone with a more "folky" ending. With the guitar sort of picking the last chord slowly. Other than that, all good things from this piece.
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Old 08-23-2003, 02:12 PM
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Old 08-23-2003, 02:24 PM
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I am packing up myself to leave for my first semester of college, and looking back I realize how enjoyable oc remix has been for the short time I participated in it during high school.

I absolutely adore the Millenial Fair Theme, and I have always found remixes of it a little lacking simply because Mitsuda himself did such a wonderful job arranging it on The Brink of Time. The pure *energy* that went into the live version blew me away.

But here is something new and fresh, I knew for sure when the drums began shuffling and the accordian began backing things up with a clean controlled vibe. All the parts, as usual, fit wonderfully together. And perhaps the most important thing about djp's mixes is this: none of it sounds strained, forced, or contrived. This sounds like a band just chillin' on a saturday afternoon with no audience but itself.

Here's a mix with that special something -- when you've analyzed all the beats and chord progressions and articulations, when you've put it through the meat grinder of thought, you won't have gotten to it all. Just listen again, and there it is, whatever we listen to music for is right there from the founding father of oc remix himself.


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[edit: I'd written about Lahan on Creid by accident -- I meant to refer to Mitsuda's arrangement on his 'Brink of Time' CT arranged CD. But 'My Village is Number One' from Xenogears suffers the same fate as the millenial fair does for me -- it's hard to beat Mitsuda at arrangement.]
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