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Old 03-22-2005, 06:26 AM
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Old 03-22-2005, 06:46 AM
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This remix is a BORE. I kept wondering when it would actually start, but it never got going.

And I'm not feeling the 'perfect interval' djp describes, though I'm familiar with the feeling. The "oh-eh, oh-eh" vocals sound like crap too.

It's not all bad--I can feel the mood the mix was going for (though it didn't quite reach it for me), and the production sounds great.

Just lacks energy, dynamic.

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Old 03-22-2005, 06:51 AM
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Gorgeous remix covering difficult source material. The use of in game music, vocals, and synths is cohesive, I can't see how this would be construed by any as a boderline case (I can see some people rushing to compare this to other remixes with the originals "rapped over"). Of course, the highlight of the mix is her voice. The fact that she inmitated the synth choir from the game I simply find amazing.

For qualms, I think a slightly less buzzy synth could have been used to carry the harmony. Some warm pads would have been better intergrated into the mix. And although djpretzel suggests the lack of climax is natural in a piece like this, I really have to disagree. A slight upping in intensity, even if it was subtle, would have done wonders for the mix. I also think a little bit more could be done with the percussion, but that's probably just my mind subconciously forcing comparison's to "Frame of Mind", with which this mix holds some similarities.

Wonderful mix.
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Old 03-22-2005, 07:01 AM
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I hate to be so critical since I have no creative talent myself, but it really irritates me that the lyrics are in Japanese even though that is not native to the performer. It's as if it's supposed to be cooler just because it's in Japanese. I think the lyrics are actually quite lame, but being sung in Japanese is supposed to make it sound amazing and deep somehow. Essentially, there doesn't seem to be a good justifiable reason to sing it in Japanese, making it more like a gimmick in my opinion.

Disregarding the lyrics and their tranlsation, I like the singing and the way it works with the original source. It sounds very nice. I just wish the writing was better.
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Old 03-22-2005, 07:07 AM
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I hate to be so critical since I have no creative talent myself, but it really irritates me that the lyrics are in Japanese even though that is not native to the performer. It's as if it's supposed to be cooler just because it's in Japanese. I think the lyrics are actually quite lame, but being sung in Japanese is supposed to make it sound amazing and deep somehow. Essentially, there doesn't seem to be a good justifiable reason to sing it in Japanese, making it more like a gimmick in my opinion.

Disregarding the lyrics and their tranlsation, I like the singing and the way it works with the original source. It sounds very nice. I just wish the writing was better.
Thank you for being meaninglessly pretentious while claiming that the "gimmick" lyrics were needlessly pretentious.
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Old 03-22-2005, 07:14 AM
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I hate to be so critical since I have no creative talent myself, but it really irritates me that the lyrics are in Japanese even though that is not native to the performer. It's as if it's supposed to be cooler just because it's in Japanese. I think the lyrics are actually quite lame, but being sung in Japanese is supposed to make it sound amazing and deep somehow. Essentially, there doesn't seem to be a good justifiable reason to sing it in Japanese, making it more like a gimmick in my opinion.

Disregarding the lyrics and their tranlsation, I like the singing and the way it works with the original source. It sounds very nice. I just wish the writing was better.
Thank you for being meaninglessly pretentious while claiming that the "gimmick" lyrics were needlessly pretentious.

ENGLISH FOR THE MOTHERLAND, MEIN FUHRER.


Anyways, cool song. I'm liking the vibes this one gives me. Maybe I just am tooo chiiiiilllllllllllll.
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Old 03-22-2005, 07:19 AM
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Great soundscape, it was a good demo of your vocal skills as you said and a lush sonic enviroment to boot. However, I don't think there was enough drama involved here to warrant a foreground song persay, but somehow I doubt that was your aim. Nice job.
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I hate to be so critical since I have no creative talent myself, but it really irritates me that the lyrics are in Japanese even though that is not native to the performer. It's as if it's supposed to be cooler just because it's in Japanese. I think the lyrics are actually quite lame, but being sung in Japanese is supposed to make it sound amazing and deep somehow. Essentially, there doesn't seem to be a good justifiable reason to sing it in Japanese, making it more like a gimmick in my opinion.

Disregarding the lyrics and their tranlsation, I like the singing and the way it works with the original source. It sounds very nice. I just wish the writing was better.
While I am often inclined to agree with this sort of thing, the Japanese was entirely justifiable in this case. This song was designed for and by Western ears (presumably the vast majority of the visitors to OCR are Western). When you listen to something in a foreign language, the mind does not attempt to realize each word and acertain its meaning. Thus, by using Japanese in this track, she made the voice layer something warm and ambient; this ambience would have been impossible with an English language track.

I didn't read the translated lyrics, nor do I care what they say. This song sounds great, and the remixer is pretty damned talented. Job well done.
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:19 PM
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As mentioned; the song does have a terrific soundscape. The vision of the artist writing the background music is great -- the sounds are inventive and they come together as a whole pretty well. I have not much complaints about the Japanese pronounciation, although they're not very clear, they work. Could be better, though.. if the articulation of the words were clearer.

The "hoo hoo hah hah" vocals at 3:30 are slightly off tune, distracted me for a tad.

My main complaint about this song is how the voice doesn't "ride" crystal clear above the background music. Now, maybe it's just my half-functional ear-phones, when I replace them later this week I'll know for sure. But for now it seems like the vocals are just mixing around with the background music: I can't hear the singer's voice distinctly. [edit: I verified this abit later -- the balance is FINE. Sorry for the blooper.]

Now that I hear the voice clearer (see edit above), I have to comment about the voice.. the Japanese doesn't sound too forced, but it quite obviously comes across as a non-native speaker of the language singing it. There are a -few- parts which I think the crescendo/decrescendo in the singing is too exaggerated; in band we used to call that "swelling". It's pretty distasteful when it's not used well; but it only happened once in this song.

So basically - to the singer - I like your voice. You can sing, but cut on the swelling (for example, "kashite soshite" at 1:55) and if you're going to do more Japanese tracks, work harder on making it sound more natural. In general, I likes.

Song doesn't change much in mood/tempo, which could give one the impression that it's "flat"..

Well, good work. Keep trying.
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