[Metal Man]

Piss off with your sig

[Bahamut]

Disagreeing with the method and calling it a dick move is opposite extremes. I think it's an even worse move if we don't at least use this opportunity to do what we can to open up opportunities to promote future mixposts/artists from the site. Again, it's the big picture and on a bigger scale. We have a diverse listener base, many who don't check the site regularly yet love what we do. It's a completely different environment than some regulars might realize.

I made this point in the other thread in Community, but this complaining is negative energy when listeners can just as easily choose to expend that energy helping get the word out. It detracts from well-meaning efforts, and from the album itself. Is that worth the price of admission for some of the complaints seen? I get the impression that people want to vent over short term impatience over these larger considerations, or incorrectly attribute this to OCR caring only about popularity, which completely misses the point.

I waited even longer than you all for this day. While the album project's existence has been publicly known for 2 years, it has been in the works since July/August 2009. I originally wanted the album out before I left for boot camp back in 2011 & the music was pretty much done then, but several factors conspired to confound the release, and mismanagement while I was gone caused the album to face other unique problems, which came up last month while we were preparing for release and caused yet another minor delay. These are some unfortunate events, but we are finally ready to release, and yet...people want to diminish that achievement over a fairly common social media technique that's largely about free music, and not even over a commercial product? It reeks of entitlement to be honest.

I did not originally suggest this idea, but I was open to it because I understand the importance such a large album has and its potency for accomplishing OCR's larger mission. We're continually looking towards the future, and how best we can accomplish our primary goal. This is a one time event for furthering towards that end. I would love to see the album out already and see the artists get their due. I feel this is a way of allowing those artists who worked hard to get an even bigger slice of attention with a relatively minimal delay, which in the long run is more important for their future.

My post is a bit long winded and repetitive, but it contains the core points I wanted to make. I'm disappointed at how shortsighted the complaints are, and that more effort seems to be expended there from a few than into productive aspects. We're at an exciting point and time, with the album's release imminent. A deluge of music is about to come pouring upon your ears of the like that hasn't been found on the site before. Minor complaints don't really belong in light of that.

Go enjoy some of the already released tracks!

Chuck Dietz - A Flea and His Giant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNTofKW2M5w (Chuck does a nice video series of him playing the song on guitar too)

Cyril the Wolf - Crushing Gravity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCh4CyhhDxA

BONKERS - Into the Rebellion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk1PV6T9v9s

Brandon Strader - String Chamellotron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsuamhDUjts

melody - resolut-(ion)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jABqgWJLvUY (This version is longer than the album version, it contains more than the song)

[jivjov]

Might I suggest making the giant banner on the front page actually link to the Facebook page that needs to be liked? The average internet surfer won't take the effort to click through to the youtube video then click through again to the Facebook page.

[agentgerbil]

Originally Posted by zimafreeze

Just a small note... to complain publically, on a public forum, which is made for opinions, is fine. It isn't small minded. What is, is not being open to the criticism. Criticism works both ways... both positive and negative. How you take it and what you do with it is entirely up to you. The internet is made up of human opinion... welcome to the internet. Enjoy your stay.

Well said zimafreeze.

[agentgerbil]

just want to point something out as well. made a post on another website about this and a fellow poster made an interesting discovery... there are MULTIPLE OC Remix pages on facebook. Fine marketing decision there, Lou.

[Calatia]

I'd rather the album be an exclusive to people who donate to the site than to have it held hostage because the site's Facebook page doesn't have enough "likes". At least then, the intentions would be honest, whereas now it seems extremely petty.

Asking for a small donation so the site can continue making great music would be much more open and honest than what is currently being done with this campaign. Instead of appreciating the fans the site does have, they are punishing the fans they do have. This is an incredibly bad public relations move, because by keeping this album from the public until an addition 3,000+ people "like" their page on Facebook, they are presenting a whole new set of obstacles for future album releases, as well as leaving the community with feelings of bitterness.

The "likes" on Facebook are already arbitrary, and now they will be even more so as it will just be used as a means to get this album. If the people who run the site think 27,000 "likes" will make for a better community, they are wrong. The people who actually have some respect for the site will begin to lose it, as this move is something that is going to be disliked by many.

[Monobrow]

Hey guys, I know you have been waiting, but just put things into perspective a little bit. It's a free album that you will enjoy. You like OCR, Wes is just asking for support for OCR. He's not holding the album hostage, IMO I think he's just utilizing pre-release time to help spread news of the album, and also help OCR out.

Maybe it's because you guys have perceived the album being moved back again and again as waiting so long, and it's a respect issue... But try to remember that everyone here is doing this for free, we are and have, tried our best to get this album out. I know Wes, from behind the scenes, has been on top of getting this album out ASAP, and even though there have been delays, you're not going to remember the delays a year from now when you're listening to the album, you're going to be listening to the album.

So, I understand why you guys might feel this way, but I say to that, lighten up a bit. It's not worth approaching this release from that perspective.

At WORST, I would say this is a move from ignorance to the feelings of the audience that is waiting, NOT maliciousness, as a lot of you guys are making it out to be. Saying it's a dick move, implies that Wes knew it would piss you guys off. Why would he want to do that?

Be happy! Take a step back and breathe a bit. I've been waiting for this album too, but I'm not getting offended here, and I'm on the album, I have a song that's been waiting over a year to be posted. I adjusted my perspective. Why should I be pissed? When it all boils down, for real, why?

[Liontamer]

Originally Posted by agentgerbil

just want to point something out as well. made a post on another website about this and a fellow poster made an interesting discovery... there are MULTIPLE OC Remix pages on facebook. Fine marketing decision there, Lou.

You don't even understand how Facebook works. Pages can be automatically created by search terms linked in people's profiles as well as automatically generated by Wikipedia pages. So of course there are going to be other pages automatically generated for "ocremix", "ocremix.org" and "OC ReMix". That doesn't mean we created those Pages, nor are we asking anyone to go there. The link's pretty clear on the homepage.

Originally Posted by Calatia

I'd rather the album be an exclusive to people who donate to the site than to have it held hostage because the site's Facebook page doesn't have enough "likes". At least then, the intentions would be honest, whereas now it seems extremely petty.

We're not going to make people be required to donate money to access ReMixes. These are free fan arrangement albums. Charging money for unofficial fan works is not how we operate.

Yes, we are "punishing" you by attempting to encourage more potential fans to check out and appreciate this album as well as future ReMixes and albums by joining our page so they're more likely to know when even more new music is out later.

All I've heard is vague vagueries of moral wrongdoing over daring to promote free music you're instead recommending we charge people for.

[Liontamer]

Originally Posted by Omni-Psyence

It's amazing how much entitlement people can feel for something given away for free.

Quoted for truthz. :-D

[Calatia]

Originally Posted by Monobrow

Saying it's a dick move, implies that Wes knew it would piss you guys off. Why would he want to do that?

I do not think the implications of this decision were well thought through at all, hence the reaction.

Originally Posted by Liontamer

Charging money for unofficial fan works is not how we operate.

No, but now you operate in the manner of akin to a strict parent who won't let their child get dessert until they finish all of their vegetables. As such, the Facebook page will eventually get the arbitrary number of "likes", with reluctance and bitterness that the community will remember long after they've gotten the album, especially if this non-sense becomes the trend.

If the goal is to broaden the audience, this could have been approached much more delicately and with much more tact. Instead of celebrating some Facebook "milestone", it's now become something very cheap to achieve a means to an end.

Originally Posted by Omni-Psyence

It's amazing how much entitlement people can feel for something given away for free.

This has nothing to do with people feeling they are entitled to a free album. It's about the failure to appreciate a community, by implementing a policy that prevents a release until 3,000 more fans "like" the Facebook page. On the flip-side, why does OverClocked ReMix feel they are entitled to 3,000+ more fans when this move prevents music from being released, which is a primary reason for the site's existence?

Originally Posted by jivjov

Look, I understand that you want to make this site bigger and better, but sending these mixed messages and withholding content from your fanbase isn't the way to do it.

Quoted for truth.