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Old 05-27-2012, 01:15 AM
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I think those rules are fair. I like the idea of a randomized track order and anonymized tracks, it definitely prevents a bias.
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Old 05-27-2012, 01:37 AM
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That's a really thoughtful system and voting on every track is a really great idea to ensure fairness to those who worked hard on submitting a track! Thanks for the hard work putting this together.
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Old 05-27-2012, 05:24 AM
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Forcing people to rate all 33 entries might deter some people who don't want to plop down >1hr of their time, but I wouldn't have it any other way...this means people will be giving real, objective feedback! Thumbs up!

I feel like I'm going to be hard-pressed to vote though...given the level of talent in this community, my first instinct is probably going to be to give 50% of the tracks a rating of 5 xD. So hyped for this!

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Old 05-27-2012, 05:27 AM
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Hmm, so you're sending out these remixes for everyone involved in the compo? Two thoughts on that.

First, if you're randomizing the list for everyone, why not remove their own track from the list? That would remove the redundant high vote from everyone, at worst, and possibly remove a situation where a mixer might not feel perfect about their mix and feels guilt for voting a 5 for themselves (or in the worst case, votes less for the sake of honesty and hinders him/herself in the process). If you're sending a private package that we need to vote on anyway then tgere's no reason not to.

Second, is the voting process going to be available to the public at all, or is it only among the participants? I feel that this competition would benefit from outside opinion as well as from the opinion of the participants, so if possible it'd be nice to see some randomized packages for people yo pick up, or alternatively allow them to PM you and request a package if they want to vote. You didn't mention the public opinion in your address there, so I might be drawing conclusions, but if you're thinking of keeping this private I'd recommend giving others a chance to participate.

Those are my thoughts - I like the system you came up with, here.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:15 AM
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Just a thought ..

"The final results will be public. Why: Entrants deserve to know their final placement when all is said and done."

The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winners will obviously be announced. and don't get me wrong, I compete to win, but I'm just not sure if I'd want to see that I'm last place. For example, I recently entered a competition and they only announced the 1st place winner. People commented "2nd, 3rd place?" and they replied "sorry, only the winners are announced" and I thought to myself, "hmm I wonder where I placed" but at the same time, if I saw that I was last, I feel like I'd be less inclined towards "oh I'll try harder next time" rather than "dang I suck." Ignorance can be bliss. Just saying ..

I'm not even sure which side I'm rooting for, to reveal final placements or not, .. it's just a thought.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:26 AM
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I think you need to take a little care in defining the ratings, as in should we "normalize" our ratings so that the "least outstanding" entry gets a 1 even if we thought it was still overall really good (just not as good as everything else)?

I'm just having a hard time imagining a mix that someone would submit to a contest that is "quite unenjoyable", which means that lower end of the rating scale might be severely underutilized. I'd rather have that scale width to differentiate the mixes that are OMGWTF good from the ones that are "just" really enjoyable

(Just my 2 cents though!)
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:48 AM
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Hmm, so you're sending out these remixes for everyone involved in the compo? Two thoughts on that.

First, if you're randomizing the list for everyone, why not remove their own track from the list? That would remove the redundant high vote from everyone, at worst, and possibly remove a situation where a mixer might not feel perfect about their mix and feels guilt for voting a 5 for themselves (or in the worst case, votes less for the sake of honesty and hinders him/herself in the process). If you're sending a private package that we need to vote on anyway then tgere's no reason not to.

Second, is the voting process going to be available to the public at all, or is it only among the participants? I feel that this competition would benefit from outside opinion as well as from the opinion of the participants, so if possible it'd be nice to see some randomized packages for people yo pick up, or alternatively allow them to PM you and request a package if they want to vote. You didn't mention the public opinion in your address there, so I might be drawing conclusions, but if you're thinking of keeping this private I'd recommend giving others a chance to participate.

Those are my thoughts - I like the system you came up with, here.
This.

You pretty much should've just used the current Dwelling of Duels voting system.
Though this already sounds close to it.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:15 AM
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The question will simply be "On a scale of 1 to 5, how would you rate this remix?"
Seems like a 1-5 scale is going to produce a lot of 3-5 votes, which doesn't encompass much range -- though the same could be argued of a 1-10 scale since most people would vote between 5-10 since below 5 is probably beyond everyone involved. I supposed with 30+ entries being voted on, the possible combinations of votes will vary things enough.

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Second, is the voting process going to be available to the public at all, or is it only among the participants? I feel that this competition would benefit from outside opinion as well as from the opinion of the participants, so if possible it'd be nice to see some randomized packages for people yo pick up, or alternatively allow them to PM you and request a package if they want to vote. You didn't mention the public opinion in your address there, so I might be drawing conclusions, but if you're thinking of keeping this private I'd recommend giving others a chance to participate.
I'm curious about this as well, though doing a package request system would probably be a very high barrier of entry and probably deter a lot of people from voting.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:34 AM
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The private voting is maybe a bit restrictive.

Maybe you should do 2 voting stages, one private and one public.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:54 AM
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I swear I didn't read anything in his statement about "this will be given out to only a few people". All I saw that was private was everbody's votes - more akin to DoD and PRC. There seems to be a misunderstanding
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