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Old 05-21-2012, 09:40 PM
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Stirring the pot: The analog vs digital debate

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been made! So, lets look at the two arguments:
Pro-Analog -> Claim higher fidelity, "better" sound, organic, dynamic integrity
Pro-Digital -> Easier to work with, no imperfections because of medium, allows for more experimentation and new creative directions

Personally, I completely disagree that analog sounds better than digital. Firstly, the noise of a vinyl itself, plus the pops you get from the record player are enough to reject that. On top of that, the information lost in an Analog to Digital conversion - regardless of what anyone says - is (neigh) impossible to hear. In fact, the only real drawback I see from digital audio is the loudness war, which is entirely avoidable.

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Old 05-22-2012, 12:44 AM
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They're the same thing but the difference is evity.

Digital equipment and vst software nearly always puts out a perfect processed result, time after time.
Analogue equipment can be influenced by more variables of physics..

Analogue gear in the classic sense is imperfect in production and different units will share different qualities.
Vacuum tubes are not all equal and wear out and have more sag. The power quality from the mains greatly affects tube drive.
Mechanical components are not identical, hand wiring plays a part too.

The audio environment is more evitable as a whole with analogue gear especially when you consider there's a lot of gear that must be mic'd due to hardware limitations.

Analogous gear though can be replicated with care and attention to a level of utter perfection but that's what makes it imperfect. A bit of a contradiction but perfectly replicating one piece of analogue equipment means all copies of the digital emulation are of the same piece of gear. All in all, digital is best in function and in signal quality if you can have random evity calculated into the software. There's glue vst's that can be layered to simulate it. I have a neve strip glue emulator that caters for my warm sounds.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:15 AM
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ProTools just added a new plugin that's independent of inserts and audiosuite (making it pretty unique in terms of plugins just in location alone) that tries to apply an analog warmness to it called HEAT. Personally, sounded like nothing more than light EQ and distortion.
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Old 05-22-2012, 02:15 AM
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My guess on why the thread hasn't been made before is because the argument doesn't seem too valid in the community here. About 90% of us are used to doing music with whatever we have - soundfonts, free VSTs, commercial and conventional stuff like Zebra 2, Sylenth and z3ta, and potentially uneven sets like Komplete and EW Composers Collection.

Not trying to be an asshole here, but trying to decide which virtual synth type sounds better is pretty pointless for most of us when we're more used to using whatever we've got to use.
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Old 05-22-2012, 02:25 AM
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As far as rock goes, digital can sound damn good, which makes stuff like Line 6 and M-Audio great bang-for-buck, but if you have the cash, nothing beats a great tube amp recorded through a good mic, or a live drum kit recorded on a good setup.
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:27 AM
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Well they record most film scores with CLASP these days apparently, which is the best of both words. It's recorded to tape to get that nice saturation and 'warmth', simultaneously read of the sync head and recorded into pro tools.

You get all the best qualities of both mediums and avoid most of the drawbacks.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:55 PM
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I've always found this debate silly and a lot of the vague terms people attach to sounds are frequently used to describe completely opposite things, too much mysticism, analog and digital can both be good.
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Old 05-22-2012, 07:47 PM
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Smells like what goes on the film vs digital. I think in the end, it is the content that matters, not the medium. See: old stuff made pre-digital still good 'cause the content is awesome. My 2p anyways...

Plus... I can't really afford a bricasti m7.....
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Old 05-22-2012, 09:44 PM
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I'm surprised this thread hasn't been made!
Everything has pretty much already been said about it in various other forums, ad infinitum, for the past decade. There is no horse anymore. There is not even a blank patch, just a hole in the ground.

The solution is to realize that:

- nobody gives a shit if you make crappy music with either
- any time wasted on the debate is time better spent on actually making music

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Personally, I completely disagree that analog sounds better than digital.
Vinyl is not the only analog in town; there's also tape. Not cassettes, actual tape.

What's a shame is that most of the debaters completely ignore the haptic part. You could probably put a FLAC on vinyl and read it with a laser needle. Pure digital sound, no problem there. What matters is the act of moving the record out of its giant colorful cardboard container, and the fact that you're doing nothing else for those 2 minutes except for preparing to listen to music (compare the 2 seconds it takes to cue an mp3).

That's a great deal of charm folks don't want to give up, and there's no credible (e.g. I-can't-believe-it's-not-butter) alternative for it yet.
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Old 05-23-2012, 12:57 AM
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Vinyl is not the only analog in town; there's also tape. Not cassettes, actual tape.
I just bring up vinyl because it's the most commonly referred to analog medium. Tape itself has hiss, and frankly, any unintended noise in audio is bad noise.
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