ReMix: Chrono Trigger 'Guardia Forest Spirits'

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Game: Chrono Trigger (Square, 1995, SNES)
ReMixer(s): mp
Composer(s): Nobuo Uematsu, Noriko Matsueda, Yasunori Mitsuda
Song(s): 'Secret of the Forest'
Posted: 2001-01-23, evaluated by djpretzel

Wow - Pollard's second ReMix comes hot on the heels of his first, and in my opinion - though I liked his MegaMan 4 mix - one-ups it in terms of sound quality and execution. Again, a slower tempo piece, sort of a hip-hoppish loop, great oboe sound, a very sweetly chosen and played fretless bass (an underused sound on this site!). The main backing pattern is played by a great acoustic guitar sample that has a very believable fret noise that makes all the difference in the world - everyone take note, it's VERY key to have the sounds with details. And only a couple times in the whole track, this super fast crystalline arpeggio sweeps in and out, just to keep things interesting. Good deep bass drum, great production all around. Other than being a little short, this is one of those ReMixes it would be VERY hard for me to say anything negative about, even if forced at gunpoint by scary men in sunglasses and what not. Two in a row for da newwwwwbie :)

― djpretzel

Discussion: Latest 15 comments/reviews; view the complete thread or post your own.

Pretty unimpressive mix on most counts. It's a cover, and one that doesn't even dither too much from how the original sounded. Not a fan of the samples either. Despite the tune being a classic, the mix itself certainly lacks the timeless quality of great videogame music.
I found this one quite boring and pretty much the low-end of what I'd expect to listen to on OCRemix. mp churned out some excellent and very original sounding mixes in his day, but this aint one of them.

- Marmiduke on March 21, 2010

Starting off, sounds like a very simple, straightforward song: beats, lead, bass, and guitar. Now I don't have the original in front of me, but it's really coming off as an upgraded cover so far with a beat and some sfx. Track basically repeats until a quick fadeout... it doesn't feel like it's dragging or anything, but nothing new is brought to the table with the repeat either. Samples aren't stellar, but nothing particularly wrong with them either - I would've really liked to hear a lot more arrangement though.

- Nutritious on December 5, 2009

I liked this mix a lot back in the day, but I think that's just cause I liked the original so much. It doesn't do nearly as much for me now. It doesn't mess up the original at all so POINTS AWARDED there, but it doesn't really add much of anything either. I think the instruments sound different enough from the source, just wish this took things further than just a completely straight interpretation of the source. Then again, it's a 2001 remix so I can't expect everything from it.

- ella guro on December 1, 2009

:-PThis music is beautiful, i adore it

- ely_chan on November 21, 2008

I had searched for another Secret of the Forest mix because I wanted to see how someone else had ended theirs. Maybe I should have looked at the date on that one. I did notice it was accepted by djpretzel, but thought nothing of time periods. Hell, I had no idea the judges weren't almost the original process.

- Fratto on February 20, 2007

Liontamer;236100 wrote: http://www.ocremix.org/info/Judges_Panel#Why_is_the_acceptance_bar_so_high.3F
This particular mix is from 2001. There were no judges, and the arrangement and production bars were not as high as they are now. You guys shouldn't waste your time comparing something like this to current submissions, because comparing that time frame and this one is like comparing apples and oranges. If you want a practical assessment of where the current bar is, that benchmark is determined by the songs that are currently posted.

I didnt know that in that case, i can see why it got passed then. thanks for the reminder! -The Lone Ranger

- The Instrumental Light on February 19, 2007

Fratto;236065 wrote: I might also just be jealous because my forest remix was rejected for being too close to the original, and it wasn't even half as close as this one.

The Lone Ranger;236095 wrote: I know the feeling, keep on trying. it is very similar, and im hardcore chrono trigger. ocremix judges have rejected for less than this, thats all i can say. quality and production were fairly good, good job for the most part anyway! -The Lone Ranger

http://www.ocremix.org/info/Judges_Panel#Why_is_the_acceptance_bar_so_high.3F
This particular mix is from 2001. There were no judges, and the arrangement and production bars were not as high as they are now. You guys shouldn't waste your time comparing something like this to current submissions, because comparing that time frame and this one is like comparing apples and oranges. If you want a practical assessment of where the current bar is, that benchmark is determined by the songs that are currently posted.

- Liontamer on February 19, 2007

Fratto;236065 wrote: I agree with Bummerdude and Timaeus. Of course, I might also just be jealous because my forest remix was rejected for being too close to the original, and it wasn't even half as close as this one.

I know the feeling, keep on trying. it is very similar, and im hardcore chrono trigger. ocremix judges have rejected for less than this, thats all i can say. quality and production were fairly good, good job for the most part anyway! -The Lone Ranger

- The Instrumental Light on February 19, 2007

I agree with Bummerdude and Timaeus. Of course, I might also just be jealous because my forest remix was rejected for being too close to the original, and it wasn't even half as close as this one. My shortcomings aside, this is almost exactly the same with an added wind effect.
The reason the notes from Adhesive Boy's post sound wrong is because the bass line in the middle section in one measure behind the rest of the parts. I think it puts the bass part in F while the rest are in F# and vice versa for a measure every few measures.
I do have to admit though, I really like that acoustic guitar though. It sounded pretty sweet. The fret noise is what really made it for me.

- Fratto on February 19, 2007

i know this is supposed to be a remix site and all that jazz, i just don't care that you bothered to make it unique or not. It's just good and that's all there is to say. No if's and's or but's. Congrats :D

- HoboKa on January 30, 2007

I don't really see a difference between this and the original, and the oboe was way too loud and not blended with the rest of the instruments.
The acoustic guitar was nice sounding, and the highlight of the mix for me. I think this just needs a little polish and a lot more interpretation and it'd be golden.

- OA on January 30, 2007

Timaeus wrote: Please... All this piece is, is the original song overlapping some poorly adapted creation. I give this piece a .05/10 for effort, and 1/10 because the original piece was already good, before it was massacred.
1.5/10

I have to agree. The piano, the flute,the synth, it´s almost exactly as the original but with a little more echoes, so i rather keep the original.
But the pianos that melted together around 1:20 were actually pretty good.

- Bummerdude on September 25, 2005

Please... All this piece is, is the original song overlapping some poorly adapted creation. I give this piece a .05/10 for effort, and 1/10 because the original piece was already good, before it was massacred.
1.5/10

- Timaeus on June 5, 2004

I usually like MP's work more than this. I think it's too repetitive.
good melody though. 6/10

- DragonFireKai on May 4, 2004

7.5/10- A good mix, but the clairnet sounded completely separate from the rest of the song, meaning it sounded like it was very loosely "tacked on". I love the piano part though.

- elman on April 30, 2003