cobaltstarfire Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 and I ended up just going Yoshi for most of it. Now if I ever catch you online I want to see your Yoshi. (mained Yoshi since the 64 days). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCvgluvr Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 You played as Yoshi? At an official tourney? Well, there's your problem right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobaltstarfire Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Yoshi isn't really as bad as a lot of people make him out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pezman Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/428847 Tiers are for queers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Stunna Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 You played as Yoshi? At an official tourney?Well, there's your problem right there. What problem? True, 4th place isn't 1st, but I feel no shame in losing to Cort/PC Chris or Vulcan and his brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal Zero Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 What problem? He's under the impression that a certain set of characters just suck. Keep rocking Yoshi man, though I have to say personally I don't like him. Play more Samus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCvgluvr Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 While I'm don't strictly adhere to the "tiers" theory, neither do I agree with the "every character is good if used by a good smash player" theory. If I had to pick one theory tho, the former at least seems more realistic and logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 I'm more a fan of seeing it as a rock-paper-scissors game. With really tough scissors being able to crush the rock, and rock laughing as it smashes a whole through paper, or paper showing that it can cut too--especially in anime. And of course there being a few dozen other options. But characters should generally be viewed in how they match up against particular characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 While I'm don't strictly adhere to the "tiers" theory, neither do I agree with the "every character is good if used by a good smash player" theory. If I had to pick one theory tho, the former at least seems more realistic and logical. Wishy washy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender!! Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 yoshi's pretty great. much better than he was in melee, anyway, but not as good as 64. i'm going to a few tourneys in the MD area--the last one is critical hit 3, with apparently a HUGE turnout. jam, global, you guys gonna be there? ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobaltstarfire Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 While I'm don't strictly adhere to the "tiers" theory, neither do I agree with the "every character is good if used by a good smash player" theory. If I had to pick one theory tho, the former at least seems more realistic and logical. That doesn't change the fact that your little comment of "oh you were using X character? That's your problem!" was poorly thought out, considering who you were responding to PLACED with said character. If you're going to imply any character sucks really bad, at least do it to someone that actually did poorly. That and, while I think there is a bit of merit to some characters being better than others, I think it's pretty idiotic to tell anyone that they lost because of their character choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garde Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Great job, Jam. PC Chris and Cort are pretty much 2 of the best in Brawl, so yeah. No shame in losing to them. I also agree that this game is very much like rock, paper, scissors except with stages that can shift the balance (where paper can beat scissors, etc.). Yoshi is not a horrible character in this game. They got rid of his DJC, but his boot and tail have tons of priority. Sure, he comes up short against some characters, but he does pretty well against a fair portion of the cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCvgluvr Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 That doesn't change the fact that your little comment of "oh you were using X character? That's your problem!" was poorly thought out, considering who you were responding to PLACED with said character. If you're going to imply any character sucks really bad, at least do it to someone that actually did poorly. That and, while I think there is a bit of merit to some characters being better than others, I think it's pretty idiotic to tell anyone that they lost because of their character choice. Yeah, sure, he placed well. That goes along with the latter theory I mentioned. BUT, he didn't win. That goes along with the former theory. That's what I'm trying to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal Zero Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Yeah, sure, he placed well. That goes along with the latter theory I mentioned. BUT, he didn't win. That goes along with the former theory. That's what I'm trying to say. Actually that goes along with the initial theory because of who he played against. He did mention that they are the two of the best players out there and I daresay with most of the characters and not just the top tier ones. Also, don't be so defensive. Sure, we're pointing out mistakes in your logic but no need to prove something. You'll probably end up in a better position that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 BUT, he didn't win. That goes along with the former theory. Yeah it's not like he didn't get first because maybe the other players were better or anything no of course it has to be because Yoshi is scientifically proven to be a worse character than other characters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drack Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Tiers are not a theory. They are rankings compiled from statistical data concerning tournament performance. A character is high tier when many tournaments are won by players of that character. This could be for a variety of reasons, such as popularity, or the mainers of that character showing up at more tournaments. It is not a direct measurement of the effectiveness of a character, and they can vary by region, too. The Japanese tiers look a bit different from the American ones. My opinion regarding tiers; Play the character you're best with, not the character everyone else is best with. Your best character may or may not be high tier. So what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobaltstarfire Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Yeah it's not like he didn't get first because maybe the other players were better or anything no of course it has to be because Yoshi is scientifically proven to be a worse character than other characters Actually if you look at the tiers for Melee he was something like top of bottom tier, I believe "worse character" was mewtwo or pichu in the last list that was compiled. There's nothing much that can be said for brawl though, since it's not been out long enough to make tiers. Edit: here's the bottom tier for melee. 19. Yoshi 20. Zelda 21. Mr. Game and Watch 22. Ness 23. Bowser 24. Kirby 25. Pichu 26. Mewtwo If the charactrs were divided evenly, than Yoshi would be close to middle tier right on the dot (link took it, at #13, but I think he was higher up on the Japanese tier), which makes a lot of sense since he (yoshi) was generally considered the most balanced character in the game. Also, melee isn't Brawl, so it's pretty silly to compare the brawl yoshi to the melee one. If there was a "better" character that fit my play style than yoshi I might play him, but as it is, I think I"ll just stick with my cute little dinosaur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Tiers are not a theory. They are rankings compiled from statistical data concerning tournament performance. science UNTZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobaltstarfire Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 If you think that's science I hope you aren't any form of scientist, cause I wouldn't want you anywhere near science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum4n After All Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 June is boss month again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 If you think that's science I hope you aren't any form of scientist, cause I wouldn't want you anywhere near science. Sarcasm dude, sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atmuh Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 i missed you guys is anyone better than me yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeviathan Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 He's baaaaaack... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobaltstarfire Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 I don't know, the only person I've played from OCR is Arek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfoot Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 i missed you guysis anyone better than me yet Everyone is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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