Super Smash Bros Brawl

[Global-Trance]

i missed you guys

is anyone better than me yet

you shouldn't even be asking this

[atmuh]

roflofl i love making gt mad about smash bros

in other news the entire new york smash scene has gone to crap

being that a considerable amount of people went crazy whining that this isnt melee and threatened to boycott the weekly the dude who runs it has pretty much said screw it

i am sad

edit and jam is that guy you lost to (the vulcan guy) also dire

and was the guy he played with wes

those two are nuts

[Salluz]

roflofl i love making gt mad about smash bros

HAH! Well, I'll be getting hired soon (so I can buy that Wii, lol!), and I still have you listed, along wih Arek the Absolute.

[Jam Stunna]

roflofl i love making gt mad about smash bros

in other news the entire new york smash scene has gone to crap

being that a considerable amount of people went crazy whining that this isnt melee and threatened to boycott the weekly the dude who runs it has pretty much said screw it

i am sad

edit and jam is that guy you lost to (the vulcan guy) also dire

and was the guy he played with wes

those two are nuts

Yeah, I read the thread you're referring to. BUM is right, Brawl brings in the money. Fuck the boycotters, more than enough people will start showing up to make up for them and then some.

As for Vulcan, I'm not sure what his partner's name is. He used Olimar, and his partner used Diddy Kong, if that helps identify them.

[atmuh]

no probably not wes who uses a classic controller and plays sonic (WHAT THE CRAP)

and ya bum is definitely right and also has the best dk ever pretty much

[AarowSwift]

Oh wow. This logic is downright scary.

Developers listening to consumer demands? It could never work! Just look at Brawl! I mean, it's not like the entire Smash Bros franchise is tailor made for Nintendo fans or anything.

Stop trying to justify Brawl's shitty online play.

My logic is not scary. I'm making a straight up comment on all the message board discussion prior to Brawl's release. If you have a memory longer than a gold fish's you should recall this stuff. Speculation ran high for online in Brawl. Many people, myself included, predicted that online would not work well due to the inherent variability in the connection speeds of different computers. Others simply talked about how cool it would be to play anyone across the world and technical shortcomings be damned. I am not making excuses for Brawl's poor online (and it's clunky for more reasons than just connection speed). I'm simply saying I'm not surprised it has lag problems and you shouldn't be either.

Whether or not the devs actually put the online in because of fan whining is really irrelevant and certainly unknown to me. I just made the statement out of pure cynicism.

Ultimately though it doesn't matter. I've found that personally, i don't enjoy playing online even when the connection is pretty smooth nearly as much as I enjoy playing Smash Bros with other people in the same room.

[JCvgluvr]

Too true.

And to the guy who said I shouldn't be so defensive, you're right, but that's very difficult to do in this virtual environment...

[AarowSwift]

I was going to agree with this, but then I realized I feel the same way about any game, so it's a meaningless distinction to say it about SSBB.

It's not meaningless for me. I really enjoy playing Mario Kart Wii online. That's not to say I enjoy it more than playing MK with other people in the room, but the game lends itself to a more pleasurable online experience than does Brawl (and I'm speaking purely on the game itself, not the connection setup or lag issues). It may not be so for you, but it's certainly true for me.

[atmuh]

having a means to communicate with those you are playing with makes it much more enjoyable

[AarowSwift]

having a means to communicate with those you are playing with makes it much more enjoyable

Depends on what's being communicated. However, with Nintendo's friend code system in place, Nintendo's insistence on protecting your ears even from the people you are "friends" with is puzzling to say the least. It's amazing how a company can be so willing to risk giant leaps of innovation on one hand while mincing along with baby steps on the other. They have their reasons, I just can't fathom what they are.

[atmuh]

i have never once encountered someone on xbl that has pissed me off

truth

[Bigfoot]

i have never once encountered someone on xbl that has pissed me off

truth

You obviously need to play more CoD4. Well, I guess nobody really pisses me off, but sometimes they can annoy the hell out of you because of the way they talk.

[atmuh]

bigfoot play bomberman live or uno with me they are the best games ever and i am a lonely soul

[cobaltstarfire]

Playing brawl online generally means I get more exercize daily...mainly because I end up running back and forth between the TV room and my computer...It's kind of fun just cause exercise is invigorating, but I start to get tired after a while.

Gotta remember to install aim on my dads laptop...I'm sure he won't mind any.

[Jam Stunna]

Hey everyone, go read my article on allisbrawl.com!

http://www.allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?id=13464

[BardicKnowledge]

The article reads very well, Jam -- the likes and dislikes in Brawl were very interesting, as you said.

It seems that I'm not the only person who thinks some social gap exists between regular tourney-goers and people who play to win but don't (or can't) attend the big tournaments. I suppose one way to lower this polarization is to encourage more people like me to actively participate in the community discussions (which I'm going to make an effort to do after reading this).

Any other thoughts on the future of Brawl?

[defender!!]

real good article.

i was always one of the melee lurkers--a great player but never had the time, energy or drive to learn all of the necessary AT's to play it competitively. i was just content to play with a group of friends.

with brawl, though, it's different. i'm much, much better at brawl than i ever was at melee and it's not due to the lack of AT's, it's due to the slower fighting engine. i perform consistently better under slower conditions. hell, i typically play rhythm games without any speed mods.

i'm going to my first big tournament tomorrow in columbia. i'm also putting together a combo video with multiple characters (my best dedede, with diddy, mario, jiggly, lucas, etc.).

[Scufo]

My logic is not scary. I'm making a straight up comment on all the message board discussion prior to Brawl's release. If you have a memory longer than a gold fish's you should recall this stuff. Speculation ran high for online in Brawl. Many people, myself included, predicted that online would not work well due to the inherent variability in the connection speeds of different computers. Others simply talked about how cool it would be to play anyone across the world and technical shortcomings be damned. I am not making excuses for Brawl's poor online (and it's clunky for more reasons than just connection speed). I'm simply saying I'm not surprised it has lag problems and you shouldn't be either.

Whether or not the devs actually put the online in because of fan whining is really irrelevant and certainly unknown to me. I just made the statement out of pure cynicism.

Ultimately though it doesn't matter. I've found that personally, i don't enjoy playing online even when the connection is pretty smooth nearly as much as I enjoy playing Smash Bros with other people in the same room.

Okay. Then I agree. Your comment from before implied that Brawl's lackluster online play is actually the fault of the consumers for requesting the game have online play in the first place, and that Nintendo couldn't have done anything to make it any better. I didn't have particularly high expectations for online Brawl either, but I expected more than what we got. It should have been a lot better, and the sad part is the game still sold like hotcakes. So there's not much to persuade Nintendo to make improvements on any future Smash.

[Jam Stunna]

The article reads very well, Jam -- the likes and dislikes in Brawl were very interesting, as you said.

It seems that I'm not the only person who thinks some social gap exists between regular tourney-goers and people who play to win but don't (or can't) attend the big tournaments. I suppose one way to lower this polarization is to encourage more people like me to actively participate in the community discussions (which I'm going to make an effort to do after reading this).

Any other thoughts on the future of Brawl?

I know I've bitched and moaned about the game alot, but I did have a really good time at the tournament I just went to. The team matches I had against Vulcan and his partner were some of the most intense and exciting matches I've ever played in. The joy I get in playing Smash comes from two places: performing technically impressive moves and competing against others who want to win. As long as Brawl has some of the former and all of the latter, I can see myself playing this game. Nothing will ever change my belief that Melee is better, but I'm enjoying Brawl now and look forward to future tournaments.

Besides, it's time that the Melee holdouts get over themselves. Brawl is the future. The tournament I went to a few weeks ago was dominated by new people, and they more than made up for the old Smashers that refused to come. Unless some catastrophe happens (like tripping deciding the outcome of a national tournament), the Melee community will continue to isolate itself and grow smaller, because at this point it consists of people who are "Melee-only". It's a stupid approach to take, but that's their prerogative.

[atmuh]

real good article.

i was always one of the melee lurkers--a great player but never had the time, energy or drive to learn all of the necessary AT's to play it competitively. i was just content to play with a group of friends.

with brawl, though, it's different. i'm much, much better at brawl than i ever was at melee and it's not due to the lack of AT's, it's due to the slower fighting engine. i perform consistently better under slower conditions. hell, i typically play rhythm games without any speed mods.

i'm going to my first big tournament tomorrow in columbia. i'm also putting together a combo video with multiple characters (my best dedede, with diddy, mario, jiggly, lucas, etc.).

if youre in the city then go to the weekly at web2zone

then youll know how good you really are

[defender!!]

well, i went to this tournament.

i'm really depressed.

in doubles, my partner and i came in 9th out of 32. not bad.

in singles, i got destroyed, first by a dedede ditto that would infinite me off the edge--chain to the edge, then infinite off. not much i could've done after he got me once. i got him in it once, but he did it more. i tried countering with a few people but got overzealous and lost...okay, fine. losers bracket for me.

second series i faced an infinite chaining ice climbers. i literally couldn't do anything--this guy would grab me once, chain me across the stage, then spike me with nana.

i'm so disenfranchised with the game now--melee had a few characters that had genuine advantages, but i thought brawl was more balanced than that. maybe i was just fooling myself, but i'm generally saddened that my real, technical skill doesn't matter when matched with someone that can fuck me up with a simple chain of commands

[atmuh]

well, i went to this tournament.

i'm really depressed.

in doubles, my partner and i came in 9th out of 32. not bad.

in singles, i got destroyed, first by a dedede ditto that would infinite me off the edge--chain to the edge, then infinite off. not much i could've done after he got me once. i got him in it once, but he did it more. i tried countering with a few people but got overzealous and lost...okay, fine. losers bracket for me.

second series i faced an infinite chaining ice climbers. i literally couldn't do anything--this guy would grab me once, chain me across the stage, then spike me with nana.

i'm so disenfranchised with the game now--melee had a few characters that had genuine advantages, but i thought brawl was more balanced than that. maybe i was just fooling myself, but i'm generally saddened that my real, technical skill doesn't matter when matched with someone that can fuck me up with a simple chain of commands

thats why you go to the weekly in web2zone since the ic infinite is banned

also that ddd crap is so easily countered you suck

plus it was today so none of them were there at wherever you were so you didnt face even close to the best

[defender!!]

it's easy to get out of an infinite with dedede against dedede off a ledge? it's a chaingrab that leads to the edge, and on the edge you can literally just repeatedly grab--there's not much one can do beyond that.

also, this tourney had chu dat, husband, azen, some really good people...i lost to kaiser first due to some terrible character choices and shiku second just because he was ice climbers

who the hell goes to this web2zone thing anyway? you presumptuous jerk?

[atmuh]

it's easy to get out of an infinite with dedede against dedede off a ledge? it's a chaingrab that leads to the edge, and on the edge you can literally just repeatedly grab--there's not much one can do beyond that.

also, this tourney had chu dat, husband, azen, some really good people...i lost to kaiser first due to some terrible character choices and shiku second just because he was ice climbers

who the hell goes to this web2zone thing anyway? you presumptuous jerk?

pc chris, cort, bum, and many others

unless they decided to forget about it for today

and yes its not too difficult to get out of the chaingrab or if you really hate it pick olimar it doesnt work on him

[defender!!]

i picked a few different people so he wouldn't do it to me, that wasn't the problem. in fact, i beat him in the round that he did the grab, i just switched it around so i wouldn't be left open to it. i made some bad choices and that was it. i'm sure it's not too difficult to get out of with most people, but d3 on d3 makes it kinda tough.

like i said, my problem wasn't with the dedede match, it was the ic's. it's maddening that just one grab can lead to CERTAIN DOOM.

and i live in MD too, so i won't be going to any NY shindigs.