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Happened recently with a sub we passed that turned out to be stolen from a commercial album.

We've had a good 4-5 instances of stuff getting posted and taken down within a few hours... usually subs of commercial stuff that we didn't catch (happens 1 in 5,000 times.)

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We've had a good 4-5 instances of stuff getting posted and taken down within a few hours... usually subs of commercial stuff that we didn't catch (happens 1 in 5,000 times.)

I blame Anso for not judging his own track :(

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I blame Anso for not judging his own track :(

I also blame this Anso fellow, whoever he is. Kick him in the nuts I tell ya!

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ohooo one I can answer!!! ^_______^

even when songs are voted as *YES* they still aren't guaranteed to be posted until they actually are on the front page. Not posting the *YES* threads just makes it so mixers don't get all excited, only to have their hopes dashed if something comes up. TO my knowledge, it's never happened (at least not as long as i've been visiting the site), but it's still a good policy.

It happened to Darangen's votl track akshully. He forgot to mention its like, a cover of something else :P. Went from YES to NO on revote.

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Whoa, so 'YES' songs still aren't guaranteed posted? What the hell do yall do to it afterwards? I thought you guys didn't even mess with the song after it's been 'YES'd. Does djp review it again once all the votes have been casted? O_o

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It happened to Darangen's votl track akshully. He forgot to mention its like, a cover of something else :P. Went from YES to NO on revote.

His "North Cave" remix right? What was it a cover of, does anyone know? (I would like to do my own compairisons)

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Whoa, so 'YES' songs still aren't guaranteed posted? What the hell do yall do to it afterwards? I thought you guys didn't even mess with the song after it's been 'YES'd. Does djp review it again once all the votes have been casted? O_o

No, it just happens before it was posted someone pointed out (cause it was already out on votl) that it was actually a different song mixed with the ff7 one.

Sorry I can't remember the track, but it was just blatant, no comparison needed.

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I don't think this has been asked. Feel free to flail me if it has. I just thought it'd be interesting. It's for any and all judges, really. ^_^

How often do you vote yes or no on something, then read another judge's vote and commentary, take that commentary into serious consideration, and then change your vote based on what the other judge said?

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I don't think this has been asked. Feel free to flail me if it has. I just thought it'd be interesting. It's for any and all judges, really. ^_^

How often do you vote yes or no on something, then read another judge's vote and commentary, take that commentary into serious consideration, and then change your vote based on what the other judge said?

It happens. We've had some recent cases when Vig swooped down and changed the heart of like three people. I'm pretty sure both me and Vinnie has changed Larry's vote too by perhaps pointing out some source usage he missed or similar.

It happens, but not very often.

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I had a question about DJ Friendly Remixes.

I'm an old school electronic composer in a sense that I gear my mix towards the DJ / Live performance of it all and I know (have read) how stern the judging can be on a pieces source material; my question-

Lets say a remix is about 6:30 long, and approx 1:45 of that is "DJ friendly" time, is there any leniency on the track for arrangement like this? I ask because I'm on the fence for a submission due to this fact and would love to get a judges opinion. Most forum members who listened said source wasn't enough, which started the argument of "DJ Friendly" mixes. If the judges get an off the chain trance / house / electronica remix with DJ friendly time but breaks a huge source standard what is the word? ... Make a Radio Edit?

Thanks.

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I had a question about DJ Friendly Remixes.

I'm an old school electronic composer in a sense that I gear my mix towards the DJ / Live performance of it all and I know (have read) how stern the judging can be on a pieces source material; my question-

Lets say a remix is about 6:30 long, and approx 1:45 of that is "DJ friendly" time, is there any leniency on the track for arrangement like this? I ask because I'm on the fence for a submission due to this fact and would love to get a judges opinion. Most forum members who listened said source wasn't enough, which started the argument of "DJ Friendly" mixes. If the judges get an off the chain trance / house / electronica remix with DJ friendly time but breaks a huge source standard what is the word? ... Make a Radio Edit?

Thanks.

Radio Edit would be preferable. The whole point is that the source tune (or clear arrangement of said source) should be identifiable and dominant during the track. "DJ Friendly" mixes, sadly, often doesn't meet this criteria. It's case by case really but the guidelines state you need a source that is identifiable and dominant in the track.

Hope that helped.

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I had a question about DJ Friendly Remixes.

I'm an old school electronic composer in a sense that I gear my mix towards the DJ / Live performance of it all and I know (have read) how stern the judging can be on a pieces source material; my question-

Lets say a remix is about 6:30 long, and approx 1:45 of that is "DJ friendly" time, is there any leniency on the track for arrangement like this? I ask because I'm on the fence for a submission due to this fact and would love to get a judges opinion. Most forum members who listened said source wasn't enough, which started the argument of "DJ Friendly" mixes. If the judges get an off the chain trance / house / electronica remix with DJ friendly time but breaks a huge source standard what is the word? ... Make a Radio Edit?

Thanks.

Case-by-case. Trying to generally answer your question though, I don't care if the structure is "DJ friendly". As long as the arrangement is sufficiently creative, interpretive and developed, you're free to do whatever you want with the structure. AnSo's right in that most tracks like your implied example probably wouldn't make it, potentially for lack of development, or potentially for lack of source usage. But like I said, it's case-by-case.

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Did I piss off all the jdgfgts recently?

I ask again

Of course it's not allowed as an actual ReMix. :lol: You just mashed it up, you didn't primarily create the original audio.

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I don't think I've created many of the samples I use in my mixes. Then again, I'm an OCR hasu.

For all I care, the mashup sounds terrible, though I have nothing against them as a concept.

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Okay, I'm already admitting that I haven't combed through this thread, so forgive me if this question has already been asked and answered (and if it has been answered, please add it to the Judges Pannel OCRWiki page, which is where I looked regarding this).

The YES judgements do seem to take quite a bit longer than NO, NO (RESUB), and direct post. I can definitely understand this, but I was wondering if you could further elaborate on the last part of this line, found in the Judges Pannel OCRWiki page:

"The speed of the judging process depends on a variety of factors including judge availability, familiarity with source material, and disputed votes requiring the attention of a greater number of judges."

There are a lot of mixes that get three No's and their threads are made public, but for many YES mixes they seem to need more than three, unless I'm just not stalking every judges pannel sub thread enough to see that is untrue. SO the bottom line is how many judges are needed to YES a mix: minimum, maximum, and what exactly dictates how many more judges are needed to give in a vote if the song is disputed (eg 2 yes/2 no, 4 yes/1 no, etc.)?

Thanks for your time.

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Okay, I'm already admitting that I haven't combed through this thread, so forgive me if this question has already been asked and answered (and if it has been answered, please add it to the Judges Pannel OCRWiki page, which is where I looked regarding this).

The YES judgements do seem to take quite a bit longer than NO, NO (RESUB), and direct post. I can definitely understand this, but I was wondering if you could further elaborate on the last part of this line, found in the Judges Pannel OCRWiki page:

"The speed of the judging process depends on a variety of factors including judge availability, familiarity with source material, and disputed votes requiring the attention of a greater number of judges."

There are a lot of mixes that get three No's and their threads are made public, but for many YES mixes they seem to need more than three, unless I'm just not stalking every judges pannel sub thread enough to see that is untrue. SO the bottom line is how many judges are needed to YES a mix: minimum, maximum, and what exactly dictates how many more judges are needed to give in a vote if the song is disputed (eg 2 yes/2 no, 4 yes/1 no, etc.)?

Thanks for your time.

3N = NO'd. 4Y = YES'd. Everything split would need a majority by two or three (I never remember) to pass/get rejected. In the case of a really close call where all judges have voted and it's still saaay 5Y/5N Dave casts the tiebreaker.

Pretty much, if I'm wrong Larry can come here and clear it out :tomatoface:

Also, many judges were at Jill and Andy's wedding, Larry just got a job and is moving back to Atlanta and only he's got access to the inbox.

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