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Here's a question. What is the policy on mixes comprised of unused songs?

Like, the song was made for the game but wasn't included in the final version.

Also interested in this - I'm planning on submitting a track that uses an unused song (that was still written for the game and included on the OST iirc) as the main source.

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Singing Mountain specifically is allowed because it is present in the game's data. It's in the ROM of Chrono Trigger.

Hidden Palace Zone is also accessible in the sound test for Sonic 2 with out any kind of hacking or digging necessary. It's in game.

For other tracks, such as something "written for the game and included on the OST," if it isn't in the game data anywhere, it's not fair game for remixing, and you should not try to submit a remix using that as source music.

Also, just as a note, when asking these kinds of questions, don't just ask in the general sense. If you have a specific example of a song you want to remix, you need to be explicit about it and tell us exactly what you're planning to do. Asking about hypothetical situations will only get you generalized answers. If we know the specific track in question, we can investigate its specific eligibility.

Also remember; this is Ask a Judge. If you're not a Judge (or a staff member with an official answer), don't answer the questions. OCR doesn't always necessarily do things based on precedent; standards and rules have evolved and changed. What was permissible years ago (in the context of submissions) is not necessarily permissible today, and vice versa. You can't always just look at remixes posted years ago and say "YUP IT'S OKAY!"

We make an effort to be consistent and up front about things like standards and source eligibility, but OCR is 10+ years old and is a living and growing website. Things can change, so be careful about assumptions and presumptions.

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Singing Mountain specifically is allowed because it is present in the game's data. It's in the ROM of Chrono Trigger.

you need to be explicit about it and tell us exactly what you're planning to do. Asking about hypothetical situations will only get you generalized answers. If we know the specific track in question, we can investigate its specific eligibility.

Fear the Dark from Aquaria

Edited by Brandon Strader

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I've tried looking for some info on the FF2 track (that's the source I was talking about), and all I could get was that it was composed by Nobuo Uematsu for the game and was "removed." I have no idea if it's still on the ROM or not, is there a way I can check?

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Sorry, my last post wasn't very well expressed as I was on a phone at the time.. The song "Fear the Dark" is on the Aquaria OST but I'm not sure if it is in the game or was added to the game later (it's an indie game)... wondering if it is applicable for remixing.

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So, I believe i have a couple of mixes sitting for like, 2 years or so, and never got posted... at this point i can't even remember when i've submitted them... or which ones they are... Can they be posted already? Like... now?

Edited by DrManhattan

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I have a question about the submissions e-mail. If I want to change the download link to a submission, should I just send a response to my original mail?

I ask because I did that for a submission I sent on August 3rd last year ('A Waltz for a Kingdom' from Final Fantasy VI) but then the submission "disappeared" since I didn't get a rejection e-mail and it never appeared on the judges thread. Also, I recently sent a submission mail and immediately replied with the download link (because I didn't put in the original mail :banghead:), so I just want to be sure that the submissions are correctly received.

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The submission page says "Contact a judge if you have waited more than three months for an evaluation."

Hey... hey guys... hey.... :-)

I think I count 6 of mine that are over 3 months waiting for eval :-D

So, I believe i have a couple of mixes sitting for like, 2 years or so, and never got posted... at this point i can't even remember when i've submitted them... or which ones they are... Can they be posted already? Like... now?

Also this pretty pretty please :'(

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The submission page says "Contact a judge if you have waited more than three months for an evaluation."

Hey... hey guys... hey.... :-)

I think I count 6 of mine that are over 3 months waiting for eval :-D

I did contact a judge, my post is more about how the mail works with responses than the problem I had with the submission. Liontamer told me he'd look into that.

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I did contact a judge, my post is more about how the mail works with responses than the problem I had with the submission. Liontamer told me he'd look into that.

I was not responding to you, for I am not a judge, and that is not my place. I was posting my own message for the joojs.

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I think I count 6 of mine that are over 3 months waiting for eval

I have one that's about five months waiting for eval. Lots of people are waiting. Considering how many mixes you have to be posted, I don't think you need to worry about a lack of your material being represented on the site for a good, long time.

Sit back and relax, man. The judges be working as fast as they can.

Edit: I've changed the wiki to say something a bit more realistic and accurate:

"If the currently judging date is past when you submitted your arrangement, you have had no contact about it and do not see it on the judging queue, contact a judge about it."

So, I believe i have a couple of mixes sitting for like, 2 years or so, and never got posted... at this point i can't even remember when i've submitted them... or which ones they are... Can they be posted already? Like... now?

If its a fallthrough, best to contact Liontamer or OA about it (if you have not already done so). Any judge will actually do, though.

Edited by Level 99

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Out of morbid curiosity:

Do you guys still do fallthroughs? I remember being told I used up all my fallthroughs... ten years ago. :lol:

Sure. Just not you! :lol:

No, if your sub is possibly lost in the shuffle, let us know, though the inbox now is pretty reliable as far as stuff delivering, so if the email delivered, we should have it.

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this question seems like a fallthrough at this point XD

Like 'Singing Mountain' from Chrono Trigger or "Little Money Avenue" from Streets of Rage 2, if it's in the game data, it's valid to arrange.

However, I haven't seen any confirmation that this song is hidden in the game data based on the NSF and NSFe available, and (unlike FF2's unsued Dungeon theme) it hasn't been used in any subsequent game.

I'd put it down as ineligible unless some other information turns up.

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