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You probably have on the 31st too, I'd imagine. :P

I just subbed a song today, after around 2 months of no subs. I've only subbed 6 songs this year. I cannot be blamed anymore for any stuffing of the panel box. :-)

I do wish they'd go a little quicker though, some of these albums will be coming out and it would be nice to know if the songs pass or if I could fix them up before the albums come out. :cry:

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Perhaps a weird question, but do you actually prefer mp3 for subs? Or do you mind FLAC? Makes little sense now, but perhaps a decade down the road when we have 10x the storage space. Then you have a HQ version at hand.

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Perhaps a weird question, but do you actually prefer mp3 for subs? Or do you mind FLAC? Makes little sense now, but perhaps a decade down the road when we have 10x the storage space. Then you have a HQ version at hand.

I don't mind FLAC or WAV, those just can't be attached. But if you host them, that's fine with me, since an MP3 can be made from those.

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Perhaps a weird question, but do you actually prefer mp3 for subs? Or do you mind FLAC? Makes little sense now, but perhaps a decade down the road when we have 10x the storage space. Then you have a HQ version at hand.

I personally prefer MP3 when judging so that the download is quicker and takes up less room. But we don't have an official preference, and it can be nice to have the lossless version on hand if the song passes.

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Is there a desire on the part of Overclocked Remix to have lossless files for some future time, though?

Yep. Hook 'em up.

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What can OCR community do to help raise jooj morale

Apart from making depressing doom metal

Hey Big B! Here's a thought. How about you reduce your number of subs down to say.... 30 per year? Down from your traditional 85. :lol:

#letsomeothershaveachance <3 :razz:

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I will increase my subs tenfold!

Also, when OCR updates the youtube video to 1080p, it would be AWESOME if you made a single uniform custom thumbnail for every OCR upload. You could even go a step farther and put the artist information on the thumbnail, but that would require editing the thumbnail for each sub, which I'm sure would slow the process down even more. Nay, a single custom thumbnail that is nice and presentable would work just fine.

It's not a huge deal, but I think it'd be a nice touch. Currently embedding OCR youtubes gives random snapshots that say to buy T-Shirts or something.

Very excited to see what you guys come up with for the new youtube video. I hope it's simpler and less cluttered than the current one. Sometimes making something simpler and less cluttered can be just as challenging.

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I will increase my subs tenfold!

Also, when OCR updates the youtube video to 1080p, it would be AWESOME if you made a single uniform custom thumbnail for every OCR upload. You could even go a step farther and put the artist information on the thumbnail, but that would require editing the thumbnail for each sub, which I'm sure would slow the process down even more. Nay, a single custom thumbnail that is nice and presentable would work just fine.

It's not a huge deal, but I think it'd be a nice touch. Currently embedding OCR youtubes gives random snapshots that say to buy T-Shirts or something.

Very excited to see what you guys come up with for the new youtube video. I hope it's simpler and less cluttered than the current one. Sometimes making something simpler and less cluttered can be just as challenging.

how does one "custom thumbnail" on YouTube? I still haven't figured that one out

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Also, when OCR updates the youtube video to 1080p, it would be AWESOME if you made a single uniform custom thumbnail for every OCR upload. You could even go a step farther and put the artist information on the thumbnail, but that would require editing the thumbnail for each sub, which I'm sure would slow the process down even more. Nay, a single custom thumbnail that is nice and presentable would work just fine.

It's not a huge deal, but I think it'd be a nice touch. Currently embedding OCR youtubes gives random snapshots that say to buy T-Shirts or something.

The ability to do custom thumbnail images would entail being a partner channel, which I don't see us doing, since we don't own the music on the channel, we just republish what's submitted to and approved by us.

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It's true that being a partner enables monetization, but it is still up to the content creator to enable monetization or disable it. You can send it to be disabled by default. Then there's some nice partner features that could probably improve the channel, like the custom thumbnails. :-)

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Going to chime in a little bit with what I observed.

I think the YTP is very iffy because I know that some channels or specific videos get slaps on the wrist for containing copyrighted content yet other channels (regardless of views, subscribers, etc.) seem to have no ominous agency clouds looming over them chanting "touch that monetize button and you're dead." Ex., and I love these guys so I'm not "hating," but Schmoyoho using clips from whatever to make a song while monetizing the vid and putting it for sale on iTunes, versus an average joe Youtuber doing the same thing and NOT monetizing it or selling it or whatever (just uploading for views or whatever) and then having the video removed due to "copyright infringement =/" :neutral: .

However, many of my favorite Youtubers, especially some musicians on Youtube, use the YTP for its benefits other than monetizing and generated ad-revenue. I have to plea ignorance to this because I stopped bothering with hefty Youtube copyright research after giving up on the above generalization (there's always exceptions, but obviously some get pegged and others are excused so I feel like you can never really be sure about anything pertaining to derivatives), but I believe Nick Bertke ("Pogo") used to (or still does? haven't kept up with his stuff in a while) have custom pop up/annotated ads basically saying "if you like what you hear, come check out my website for updates and more great stuff" in place of the generic Axe, gamefly, Samsung, Farmville etc. ads that would be randomly generated as a default in the past with YTP. And, not saying that this helps at all, but to put it into perspective, this dude had/has a very interesting relationship with Disney for his sampling techniques (not just re-arrangements, direct sampling).

**I can't find ANY articles at the moment for some odd reason, but "Nick Bertke Pogo sampling fair use copyright Disney" or some other combination of those words should give you the gist of what I'm getting at. I'll edit in some links later today if I find some examples of what he had to deal with and how he came to an "agreeable" understanding with Disney.

and then, there's this:

http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits

Bottom line is, I feel that once/if OCR makes the move towards either route, there will be comments giving unfortunate implications and jumping to the automatic assumption of monetizing like "Wow, glad to see OCR is a YTP now, they do deserve some money for all the hard work they put into their stuff," and immediately we'll have the Square situation occur on a much greater level with possibly catastrophic results. :(

(ex. Square/Nintendo/Bungie/what have you: "Oh heeeeeeellllsss naw, did somebody just put 'money' and 'OCR' in the same sentence?")

So, yeeeaaah. There are many people like me he would love that nonprofit route as it'd give us the opportunity to give back to OCR more often throughout the year instead of just through the Paypal thing (nothing wrong with the Paypal, but I personally feel like that donation link is hidden waaaay back within the crevices of the site; admittedly, others probably like it this way, as a front-page donate button would rub others the wrong way, but you can't please everyone so...), but it seems like the risk of anything going completely wrong concerning copyright would increase dramatically simply because of the implications of Google Revenue services.

EDIT: Donate button is on front page, but I meant a donate button with sparkles and strobe lights around it (not literally, of course, just something to catch folks attention, but again, this is my preference and I understand many people don't enjoy having an extravagant donation button gravely staring them in the face all the time like a street vendor.

sorry for the long post, not an expert or anything, just getting it off my chest because I WOULD like for OCR to expand as long as we're not raped by lawyers for negligence or implications. :/

Edited by Damashii!!
clarification

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Hmm what's up with the partial crediting on FF6? Usually even small parts are credited on albums and their mixposts, but it seems like a lot of songs had guest musicians who just didn't get credited as remixers, even for very substantial contributions to the songs.

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Yeah, in the OC Remix x RPGFan Music interview, there's a part where Darkesword goes into talking about how there's a lot of great technological assets for growth and promotion that OCR hasn't quite warmed up to yet, and that's kind of where I was going.

Mehhh, "better safe than sorry," yes, but there's plenty of better ways than promoting by, say, word of mouth. Though I still occasionally run into gamers or vgm fans in real life who've never heard of the site (but have probably stumbled upon a remix), and when I mention OCR they look at me like "uhhhh, no thanks; not interested in moving to Orange County."

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switching subjects, I have two questions for the joojez:

1) I submitted something a few days ago and never got the automated confirmation response. Did anybody receive it, or should I resend the email? (you'll know it's from me because it has an epic novel length background story :nicework: ).

2) I talked to Larry about this for a while and he told me to do some more research just to make sure, but when I asked again he never got back to me (no worries; I assumed he got bogged down with B&R or other behind the scenes stuff lately, or just life). G-Mixer, BrothaDom, and I are working on a Sonic medley remix for a Sega Saturn album, and we feel like it's obligatory to make a shout out to Sonic X-treme (our main source is "Can You Feel the Sunshine" from Sonic R, and we'll also be using secondary sources from 3D Blast, so the X-treme source usage is mostly out of nostalgic respect for the Sega Saturn).

We're mostly likely going to directly sample stuff from X-treme in a style similar to halc's Pilotwings, but my concern isn't about the sampling; my question is since it is a cancelled game where most of the work done on it was just concept material but not official stuff does Sonic X-treme's soundtrack count as a legit vgm ost and can we use it in our remix (again, Can You Feel the Sunshine is our main source, but we want to reference X-treme prominently in there as well)?

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Pre-note -- you could definitely look into http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits instead of regular partnership for youtube, as previously stated by the artist formerly known as Damashii!!

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I can understand if they thought it would be seen by the public as a bad thing, but it isn't, and assuming ocr monetized stuff purely based on partnership status would be wrong. It doesn't just automatically work. The only way I can think of it being applied automatically is if OCR uploaded a copyrighted work (usually detected as video or audio owned by a copyright holder) and it would be an ad for that company. But that's something that could happen right now anyway. I'm actually surprised there aren't already Nintendo ads on Nintendo remixes, since they've monetized fan works.

Here's a little run down from my own channel that shows what you have to go through:

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You have to go through 4 steps of activation. I've circled step 2 in red, because it is easily the most time-consuming part. You have to register for AdSense (OCR probably hasn't done this). You get a special "pin number" from Google that is mailed to you, which takes a number of days. It takes some serious effort to complete the monetization options. I think it's safe to say that OCR couldn't "accidentally" monetize the remixes if they became a partner.

EDIT: Adding this in because I didn't notice it before. If you HAVE to monetize a single video for the partnership to be possible, it might be a good opportunity for OC ReMix to branch out a little on the youtube channel, video-wise. Put up an interview with the man djpretzel talking about the history of OC ReMix, maybe throw some Larry in there. You could monetize THAT one and I don't think anyone would mind, it would meet the requirement of 1 monetized video, it would be legal, and any possible "money" made from the monetization of it could go back into the site. You could also use it as your "subscriber preview" that people who are not subscribed to OCR will see. Barebones; two dudes, a boom mic, a couch and possibly a potted plant or two.

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Shown here are the "upload defaults", settings that are applied to all future uploads. I've truncated this a bit to just show basics + the monetization section. As you can see, I have mine set to be on by default for all uploads. You can uncheck it here and it will be off / disabled for all future uploads.

I think this would be a good thing for OCR to try (becoming a partner)

Here is some "support" for youtube partner information: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1075910?hl=en

If you try this for ocremix and decide it's not for you, I think you can cancel your partnership by replying to the email stating you don't want to be a partner anymore, or contact support there and tell them. I haven't tried it and I don't want to test it out and see if that works. ;-)

EDIT: Just found this under "Overview" for the account. Looks like disabling ads here would knock them out dead regardless of any monetization settings:

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So perhaps you could have a monetized video without actually enabling ads. :tomatoface:

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On another note, I'd love to volunteer to find / upload source music for site V6's source tune integration, and help out with ideas on the visual aspect of the new youtube video / thumbnail if you guys are open to it. I'm sure Jose has that easily under control though.

Also how do I get The Wettening listed on the album database? I notice you have some by The OneUps and some other albums that weren't released on OCR. All but 1 of the songs passed the panel and is coming to the front page! And I might still change that last one so it'll fit! someday

Edited by Brandon Strader

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This is a question you've answered before, but it's a different type of situation.

Similar question answered here: http://ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34717

My version of the question:

I'm writing a ReMix for submission, and it uses a countermelody line inspired by Billy Joel's

. The countermelody is audible, but not the main focus, and it's pretty subtle. Snippet 1, Snippet 2

Essentially, about 25% of the ReMix uses that in total so far (it's about 90% of the intended final length at the moment), in those two sections specifically. Assuming this would have passed based on production, would this still be eligible, or should I adjust the notes (I wouldn't have a problem removing the countermelody altogether in Snippet 1 to make some headroom)?

Edited by timaeus222

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This is a question you've answered before, but it's a different type of situation.

Similar question answered here: http://ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34717

My version of the question:

I'm writing a ReMix for submission, and it uses a countermelody line inspired by Billy Joel's

. The countermelody is audible, but not the main focus, and it's pretty subtle. Snippet 1, Snippet 2

Essentially, about 25% of the ReMix uses that in total so far (it's about 90% of the intended final length at the moment), in those two sections specifically. Assuming this would have passed based on production, would this still be eligible, or should I adjust the notes (I wouldn't have a problem removing the countermelody altogether in Snippet 1 to make some headroom)?

That doesn't really even sound like Uptown Girl.

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That doesn't really even sound like Uptown Girl.

Really? Alright then, I guess I can take that as an "OK". Just to clarify though, it's the synth on the left that plays something similar.

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One of my mixes was directly rejected (by Larry), because of some major issues. However, I already changed all those problems in another version of my remix I didn't sub. Should I PM it (to Larry) or send it again via the submission mail? Thanks.

(EDIT: BTW, thanks to Larry for finding the name of the composer!) :)

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One of my mixes was directly rejected (by Larry), because of some major issues. However, I already changed all those problems in another version of my remix I didn't sub. Should I PM it (to Larry) or send it again via the submission mail? Thanks.

(EDIT: BTW, thanks to Larry for finding the name of the composer!) :)

Send it again.

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