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If a ReMix was approved for an album but then later rejected for a site mixpost, does an approved resub become an "alternative site version" or does the album version get replaced too? Or something else?

If an album's already released, the album version is what it is. Albums are from a moment in time, just like a passed ReMixes. We don't do replacements after an album's released.

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If you want to find out if we'd accept something, you have to make the mix and submit it. We're not going to say "YES, we will accept something like this" because that's ultimately a pretty meaningless statement. We judge remixes, not ideas for remixes.

In any case, there's nothing special about that remix you posted that would preclude it from being judged just like any other electronic remix.

Oh, ok. I didn't know if it met the requirements since it uses only a small part of the original. Thanks!

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Oh, ok. I didn't know if it met the requirements since it uses only a small part of the original. Thanks!

As long as it uses the original song for the majority of the track, that's cool. It DOESN'T matter if you refer to just one portion of the source tune most of or the entire time, as long as the arrangement itself is sufficiently creative and developed. :-) Notice, I rejected it for not using more of the source tune back then. We all make mistakes. :lol:

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About the Djp writeups, does he tend to quote the artist from the submission email or artist notes written for the album website? It can get a bit confusing when you write stuff about your song to at least two different places.

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About the Djp writeups, does he tend to quote the artist from the submission email or artist notes written for the album website? It can get a bit confusing when you write stuff about your song to at least two different places.

If there are comments from different places, I usually end up synthesizing them anyway into the album notes, so I wouldn't worry about it either way.

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Seems like the last few notes of the leitmotif are a little different, but the rest is exactly the same notes and rhythm, as far as I can tell. One of my friends sang that as a solo in high school.

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I have a question. Hopefully this is the right place for it.

How does this site legitimately think that 7-12 months is a realistic time frame to offer feedback on a submission?

I can't even comprehend if a piece got rejected for resubmission - a potential 2 year turn around for one piece of music?!?!

I mean I appreciate that this site exists to service the community but the process needs to be drastically revamped, because if you think that time frame is acceptable then I would be speechless.

Thanks

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I have a question. Hopefully this is the right place for it.

How does this site legitimately think that 7-12 months is a realistic time frame to offer feedback on a submission?

I can't even comprehend if a piece got rejected for resubmission - a potential 2 year turn around for one piece of music?!?!

I mean I appreciate that this site exists to service the community but the process needs to be drastically revamped, because if you think that time frame is acceptable then I would be speechless.

Thanks

You are right, it isn't acceptable. The process is too long, but we are actively working on this issue.

Resubmissions do not wait in the inbox like new submissions, they go right back into the judging queue.

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Clearly, we LOVE the wait time being that long. :lol:

We're working on two different things to improve the wait time. Also, any resubmitted piece gets added back to the queue when it's sent in, it bypasses the normal queue.

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I have a question. Hopefully this is the right place for it.

How does this site legitimately think that 7-12 months is a realistic time frame to offer feedback on a submission?

I can't even comprehend if a piece got rejected for resubmission - a potential 2 year turn around for one piece of music?!?!

I mean I appreciate that this site exists to service the community but the process needs to be drastically revamped, because if you think that time frame is acceptable then I would be speechless.

Thanks

There's a huge amount of remixes in the queue, so the judges kiiiinda need to get through the ones sent in earliest (usually) before getting to the one(s) you sent in. ;)

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There's a huge amount of remixes in the queue, so the judges kiiiinda need to get through the ones sent in earliest (usually) before getting to the one(s) you sent in. ;)

I understand, and I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I guess I'm just curious if you thought the process was working or if you thought it deserved attention. Surely there has to be a better way regardless of quantity. Different tiers of judging for example. I would be glad to help out with any ongoing discussions in an open forum.

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We're definitely not doing extra tiers of judging. That said, I'm not worried about catching things up. We'll pick it up soon.

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We're definitely not doing extra tiers of judging. That said, I'm not worried about catching things up. We'll pick it up soon.

You have pieces from March 2013 in the 'to be judged' section and that doesn't worry you?

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Related question: have there been any recent changes in number of submissions, or number of resubmissions? I'm wondering if the ease and proliferation of self-publishing (both free via Youtube and Soundcloud, and paid via iTunes/Amazon/Bandcamp/etc.) is having an impact on this community. From my usual haunt, the Competitions, it seems like activity has nosedived for close to a year now, but I'm not sure whether that's reflected elsewhere in the site.

(Yes, I know self-publishing to the Workshop is on the to-do list--hopefully even if the Patreon goal is never met.)

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You have pieces from March 2013 in the 'to be judged' section and that doesn't worry you?

One thing to remember is that we are NOT a barrier to ANYONE getting their music heard on the Internet. There are zillions of high-profile, high-audience (at least potential audience) options out there in this wonderful 21st century of ours, like YouTube, SoundCloud, etc.. Manual review, group review... actual arrangement analysis... these things take time and cannot be thoroughly automated, in spite of our A1 prank to the contrary,

So the answer comes in three parts:

  1. As always, we're working on it. More than just lip service, we're taking some tangible steps to try and accelerate and catch things up ASAP.
  2. We're ALSO working on implementing an integrated workshop system that WILL be more of an instant-gratification type dealio, where WIPs and finished mixes alike will be integrated with our database and presented on the site alongside featured (i.e. judged & passed) mixes. Our Patreon should help fund some of these development efforts.
  3. In the meantime, keep your pantyhose on as much as possible and know that our uncompensated, completely pro-bono team of hard-working staff DO care and WILL make things better.

Edited by djpretzel

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You have pieces from March 2013 in the 'to be judged' section and that doesn't worry you?

Piece. Which isn't there anymore. :lol: But no, it doesn't. But the reason it doesn't is because I've been around here long enough to see the wait time of the inbox be 0, so we'll get it much closer to that.

Related question: have there been any recent changes in number of submissions, or number of resubmissions? I'm wondering if the ease and proliferation of self-publishing (both free via Youtube and Soundcloud, and paid via iTunes/Amazon/Bandcamp/etc.) is having an impact on this community. From my usual haunt, the Competitions, it seems like activity has nosedived for close to a year now, but I'm not sure whether that's reflected elsewhere in the site.

(Yes, I know self-publishing to the Workshop is on the to-do list--hopefully even if the Patreon goal is never met.)

We have more submissions than ever. Part of the backlog involves more submissions by talented people, and fewer MIDI rips and very poor submissions. So even though quantity-wise we're on pace to post as many mixes as last year (which was the 2nd highest ever), we've still got a lot in the hopper because a higher ratio of submissions are being approved among the higher amount being sent in. We've got some good people who will be rising to the occasion to get us back on track though, and I'll be putting more time in as well.

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One thing to remember is that we are NOT a barrier to ANYONE getting their music heard on the Internet. There are zillions of high-profile, high-audience (at least potential audience) options out there in this wonderful 21st century of ours, like YouTube, SoundCloud, etc.. Manual review, group review... actual arrangement analysis... these things take time and cannot be thoroughly automated, in spite of our A1 prank to the contrary,

So the answer comes in three parts:

  1. As always, we're working on it. More than just lip service, we're taking some tangible steps to try and accelerate and catch things up ASAP.
  2. We're ALSO working on implementing an integrated workshop system that WILL be more of an instant-gratification type dealio, where WIPs and finished mixes alike will be integrated with our database and presented on the site alongside featured (i.e. judged & passed) mixes. Our Patreon should help fund some of these development efforts.
  3. In the meantime, keep your pantyhose on as much as possible and know that our uncompensated, completely pro-bono team of hard-working staff DO care and WILL make things better.

I appreciate the response, I really do. I also appreciate the work done here by the staff. But I stand by my original statement. If I finish a piece of music, I don't even remember how to play it 7 months down the line, let alone the 29 other elements that went into making it. I've also probably written 5 other pieces since then which I've also forgotten how to play. Feedback of any media needs to happen with more immediacy or it becomes redundant.

None of this is a complaint and I certainly have no place to tell you how to run your site. It's purely an observation, and I'm just looking for an honest discussion.

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If I finish a piece of music, I don't even remember how to play it 7 months down the line, let alone the 29 other elements that went into making it.

We got ya. We've already been working on it. But I appreciate the kick in the pants, since maybe it'll make some other judges devote some more time. :lol:

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I'm curious about what new measures you plan on taking. Are you planning to alter the submission process a bit or alter the amount of votes for songs to be approved/rejected?

EDIT: Also, as a somewhat related note @sambarugh. Evaluating stuff takes time, and even if the comparison may seem ridiculous, just look at how much time it takes academic research papers to get published. It's obviously not the same, but it shows that even when people are being paid, it's hard to coordinate a judging/publishing system!

EDIT 2: It seems djp messed up and made a thread public that shouldn't be public in the judges forum? It's even stickied haha.

Edited by jnWake

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I've also probably written 5 other pieces since then which I've also forgotten how to play. Feedback of any media needs to happen with more immediacy or it becomes redundant.

I'm guessing there was a missing "for me, at least" on the end of this thought, because we HAVE seen countless examples of folks revising pieces based on feedback that took a good while, and sometimes through multiple iterations. We ALL agree that it's ideal to provide feedback more quickly, and to that end it's always a good idea to get feedback via the workshop or from your friends or wherever BEFORE submitting. We do want to decrease the latency of judging, and we will, but I think the "redundancy" of feedback offered even at this current rate has shown to be variable, from artist to artist.

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EDIT 2: It seems djp messed up and made a thread public that shouldn't be public in the judges forum? It's even stickied haha.

Nah, that was me. :lol: I hope you enjoyed that brush with greatness of reading an approved mix thread before it was posted.

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That girl Anastasia on the front page is kinda cute, but if you date her, does OCR get paid for the successful date or just for showing the ad? Also who is she, is this a friend of djp or just a random lady? Can you tell her I am super cool and stuff? Will OCR pay for the dates if anyone were to click that ad? Also, what were your plans to speed up the panel, you mentioned to them but didn't say what they were. :) Is Anastasia somehow involved with speeding up the panel?

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what were your plans to speed up the panel, you mentioned to them but didn't say what they were. :) Is Anastasia somehow involved with speeding up the panel?

I purposefully didn't say, but all 3 steps are already in motion. Anastasia isn't involved, no.

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I'm one of those people who don't really mind the wait. I spend ages working on the pieces anyway, and I haven't had trouble picking something back up after a number of months. I, too, certainly appreciate any and all effort to speed up the process!

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