Zephyr Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 hahahah this guy is awesome.If he can't figure out 5/4 he'll never get . Wowza, what the heck is that!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinewav Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Except he says it's similar to 3/4, which is lol. And he says to play experimental jazz you just play like a little kid would. Which is also lol. Can someone actually explain to me how 6/8 and 3/4 are different? I understand how they're different notation-wise, but in execution they feel the same to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arek the Absolute Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I don't think he's pulling a prank; I think he's completely serious. No way. When he started to count, the way he did it seemed way too off to be real. It has to be a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moseph Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Can someone actually explain to me how 6/8 and 3/4 are different? I understand how they're different notation-wise, but in execution they feel the same to me. 6/8 is generally understood to be two beats, each divided into three eighth-notes. 3/4 is three beats, each divided into two eighth-notes. The total number of eighth-notes is the same, but they're grouped differently. 6/8 could be counted like one-and-a two-and-a, whereas 3/4 would be counted like one-and two-and three-and. It's part of a more general distinction between simple time (each beat is divided in half) and compound time (each beat is divided in thirds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPanther Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 hahahah this guy is awesome.If he can't figure out 5/4 he'll never get . Wow now that I've actually listened to this, I've never realized how complex Sagat's theme song was lol. Listening to it, it sounds like it switches between time signatures... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Taucer Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 What the fuck time sig is sagat's theme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkeSword Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 6/8 is generally understood to be two beats, each divided into three eighth-notes. 3/4 is three beats, each divided into two eighth-notes. The total number of eighth-notes is the same, but they're grouped differently. 6/8 could be counted like one-and-a two-and-a, whereas 3/4 would be counted like one-and two-and three-and.It's part of a more general distinction between simple time (each beat is divided in half) and compound time (each beat is divided in thirds). To be fair, 6/8 is often used in heavily syncopated pieces where the beat division changes. In a lot of latin folk music, you'll get that alternating "1-and-a 2-and-a 1-and 2-and 3-and" feel. "America" from West Side Story is probably the most famous example of this. So when he says that 6/8 and 3/4 are similar, he's correct. They are similar, in that they each have 6 eighth notes to a measure. What the fuck time sig is sagat's theme? Beat division in Sagat's Theme is tricky, but it goes (in sets of eighth notes) 2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-3-2. You can break it down in to one set of 2-2-2-2, which is just a measure of 4/4, and then two sets of 2-3-2, which is two measures of 7/8 (or one measure of 7/4). That means you could PROBABLY say that Sagat's theme is in 11/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anosou Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 I think I just died. That's how awesome he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPanther Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Wow, that's really impressive! I wouldn't never figured that piece of work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Legendary Zoltan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Psssh! He had me going there for a sexond! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 You fucking n00bs. Expert Village does awesome tongue-in-cheek help guides. (i.e. they're fake, and you guys have never heard of the channel) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustin Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Most of Sagat is 11/8. It switches to 4/8 and 5/8 a bit. I should know. It was a bitch to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JJT Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 *headshot* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global-Trance Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 It doesn't take a musical genius to know it's not in 5/4 time but the reactions in this thread make me want to axe kick some throats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinewav Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I sent it to one of my old music profs, and this is what he had to say: "There was some 5/4 timing." Great final statement. Actually, this is very complex and advanced writing. What you have to do is count to 5 for each measure, and randomly leave out one of the numbers for most of them. That's not the same as 4/4, as you can see demonstrated by his count. Very complex. Very advanced. That's why it has the appearance of actually being completely wrong. It's a theory thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gario Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I sent it to one of my old music profs, and this is what he had to say... lol, couldn't have put it better myself... Music theorists have a cruel sense of humor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerol Oplan Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I've written a couple things in 5/4 but I can't play them because I keep messing up the timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendlyHunter Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I just realized... the Isengard theme in the LOTR trilogy must be 5/4. Seems easy to count too. 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 3 1 4 1 3 2 1 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 4 5 1 2 3 4... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arian Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I just realized... the Isengard theme in the LOTR trilogy must be 5/4. Seems easy to count too. 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 3 1 4 1 3 2 1 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 4 5 1 2 3 4... Yes, you're right. Still.. this 5/4 counting is pretty hard for me! I discovered a trick that works though.. I tap the 1 2 3 4 5 keys on my computer keyboard. Seems lame, but it really helps! Worked wonders for the Mission impossible theme too.. which i tried to play with a 4/4 synth rhytm before, but could never manage (now i know why). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarnCarby Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I just realized... the Isengard theme in the LOTR trilogy must be 5/4. Yeah, in one of the 5,000+ interviews on those DVDs I think HoSho mentions that he chose the meter to point up the industrial nature of Isengard. It's been forever, but I think there's a scene in RotK where it seems to be implied that the orcish drummers are pounding out march time in 5/4, and it's hilarious imagining your run of the mill stupid orc trying to keep up, going... "1, 2, 3, 4, 5 "..., 3, 4, 5 "1, 2, *breathes* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinewav Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Yeah, in one of the 5,000+ interviews on those DVDs I think HoSho mentions that he chose the meter to point up the industrial nature of Isengard. It's been forever, but I think there's a scene in RotK where it seems to be implied that the orcish drummers are pounding out march time in 5/4, and it's hilarious imagining your run of the mill stupid orc trying to keep up, going..."1, 2, 3, 4, 5 "..., 3, 4, 5 "1, 2, *breathes* Wow. That is funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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