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Amended yet again:

Welcome to the OverClocked ReMix TF2 server!

In general, please observe these two basic tenets while here:

1) Be courteous & considerate of others

2) Act in good faith towards other players & the admins

And these additional rules:

3) Do not sticky-camp opaque spawn doors

4) No pornography allowed

Hope you enjoy your time here!

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If the MotD is going to list rules, put a note in on the MotD claiming that moderators and admins alike reserve the right to take action regardless of listed rules if they believe it to be in the best interest of the community.

I remember from past experiences, if you don't state that staff reserves the right to take action against unlisted rules--there will be nuisances that will argue their way to no end, claiming the staff was unjustified, or try to weasel their way around rules.

Also, some rules regarding offensive language should be in order

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Here's proposition #4

Welcome to the OverClocked ReMix TF2 server!

In general, please observe these two basic tenets while here:

1) Be courteous & considerate of others

2) Act in good faith towards other players & the admins

And these additional rules:

3) Do not sticky-camp opaque spawn doors

4) No pornography

5) No harassment, including those of a racist & sexual orientation nature

The admins reserve the right to make additional stipulations.

Hope you enjoy your time here!

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I guess that doesn't quite cover it - here's attempt #5

Welcome to the OverClocked ReMix TF2 server!

In general, please observe these two basic tenets while here:

1) Be courteous & considerate of others

2) Act in good faith towards other players & the admins

And these additional rules:

3) Do not sticky-camp opaque spawn doors

4) No pornography

5) No harassment

6) No racist & offensive remarks

The admins reserve the right to make additional stipulations.

Hope you enjoy your time here!

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I think the racist/offensive remarks and harassment fall under "be courteous," although I suppose being specific doesn't hurt. Good call on having admins reserve the right to lay down the law.

I understand the intent behind prohibiting sticky camping of spawn doors and it's almost definitely a good rule to have, but I have to admit that something about dictating the way you're (not) allowed to play the game rubs me the wrong way ever so slightly, possibly because a Spy or Heavy can be almost as deadly when camping and there's no rule against them. (Goodness knows I love camping spawn sometimes.) What I'm getting at is if there's possibly a way to achieve the same effect without explicitly saying "don't play the game this way." IDK, I'm rambling slightly.

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Me personally, I have no issue with camping regardless. Usually it forces a change of strategy.

Well there's a difference between camping spawn because you're supposed to, such as RED during the opening moments of every A/D map ever, camping because you need to buy some time or the objective is simply too close to spawn, such as BLU when attacking every final point ever, and camping because you and/or your team is taking the piss out of the enemy.

Anecdote: The second game of TF2 I ever played, I joined RED team on Dustbowl's second stage. BLU had a full spawn camp going, we're talking Demomen, Heavies, Medics, and Sentries. The whole nine yards. That kind of spawn camping should definitely be discouraged, but I'm not sure how to differentiate it succinctly for a server rule.

EDIT: An idea. "Please exhibit proper sportsmanlike behavior." Possibly a few words about how we're all here to have fun, not to wave our e-peens around. (Fun fact: Firefox recognizes "e-peen" as a word.)

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The admins reserve the right to make additional stipulations.

Just make sure that the admins/mods understand the breadth of their power. None of this kicking/banning players/classes just because of sentry position or other similar situations.

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Just make sure that the admins/mods understand the breadth of their power. None of this kicking/banning players/classes just because of sentry position or other similar situations.

As long as the players follow the 'Be courteous to other players' rule, there shouldn't be an issue.

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Edit: As for trolls, just be a hardass with them. If they're giving that much trouble, then they're not worth keeping on the server. I'll craft a new motd sometime soon - what rules should I put? I definitely want to insert a clause about acting in good faith & being considerate.

The modus operandi of giving these guys enough rope to hang themselves only serves to tip your hands to the trolls, I have observed. On my own server, I have a zero-tolerance policy for these idiots. I would kill them the very instant they start doing something stupid. I have found that it nips the problem right in the bud.

I mentioned it before, but I'll go ahead and throw the offer up again. I can lend a hand. I've become well versed on server management from running Ichi, shbouldn't be anything new.

Likewise, only for my own server and assisting GM whenever he needs it. And furthermore, I only work with Linux or other Unix-system boxen as servers.

I'd really like to keep the "No sticky-camping opaque spawn doors" rule there as well if possible. :-D

Amen, bruhthuh.

If the MotD is going to list rules, put a note in on the MotD claiming that moderators and admins alike reserve the right to take action regardless of listed rules if they believe it to be in the best interest of the community.

I remember from past experiences, if you don't state that staff reserves the right to take action against unlisted rules--there will be nuisances that will argue their way to no end, claiming the staff was unjustified, or try to weasel their way around rules.

Also, some rules regarding offensive language should be in order

On my own policy page at http://tf2.ian-justman.com:

If I ask you to stop doing something or to do something' date=' even if it is not explicitly listed in the rules or runs contrary to what is currently listed, you must immediately comply. Do not question any decision I make. Step out of line and you may be banned.[/quote']

I do not want an end-run around any policies I have in place or any silliness to push their limits. Like I said above, the act of "giving them enough rope to hang themselves" only validates what they are doing. Basically, this is my way of saying, "I mean business. You want to push the limit, that's your funeral; I won't stand for it."

To include, but not limited to, racial slurs.
And sexual preference.

When last I checked, this isn't a preference. You cannot choose to be homosexual. You can, however, choose to be a homophobe, but I digress.

I guess that doesn't quite cover it - here's attempt #5

Here is what I have on my own server's policy page:

No xenophobic remarks or epithets.

However, I also disclaim that, as server owner, it is entirely at my discretion what constitutes "xenophobic". At least, this covers the entire gamut for me.

While on the subject of epithets, I also raise an issue that is very close to me. I include the word "retarded", used in terms of describing an intellectually-challenged person, used as a derisive term in my definition of "xenophobic". Calling someone "retarded" simply because they're different from you in any way simply is part-and-parcel "xenophobia". That said, there is no excuse to use it even on someone who is acting stupidly.

If you have any questions about my position and how I arrived at it, please bring up the topic with me privately; I presently do not want to discuss my reasoning in public.

Thank you for your attention.

--IJ.

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When last I checked, this isn't a preference. You cannot choose to be homosexual. You can, however, choose to be a homophobe, but I digress.

I don't like brussels sprouts. That's not a choice, my taste buds don't agree with them. I CAN eat them, but I strongly prefer not to.

I don't think bark was implying anything in his comment. The definition of 'preference' speaks nothing of innateness or development.

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The modus operandi of giving these guys enough rope to hang themselves only serves to tip your hands to the trolls, I have observed. On my own server, I have a zero-tolerance policy for these idiots. I would kill them the very instant they start doing something stupid. I have found that it nips the problem right in the bud.

Doing things that way also has the effect of dicking people over who were just messing around or honestly didn't realize how annoying/disruptive they're being. I think a warning first is a better idea in all but the most extreme cases.

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Doing things that way also has the effect of dicking people over who were just messing around or honestly didn't realize how annoying/disruptive they're being. I think a warning first is a better idea in all but the most extreme cases.

I guess I see what you mean, but I'm talking about those like the one spray that this guy put down and kept dicking around saying "It's not a porn spray." Another was tesing the limits of the "no racial epithets" rules. In the latter case, the admins "gave them enough rope to hang themselves". If they did it on my server, they'd both be gone, no questions asked. I won't tolerate that kind of BS.

--IJ.

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Doing things that way also has the effect of dicking people over who were just messing around or honestly didn't realize how annoying/disruptive they're being. I think a warning first is a better idea in all but the most extreme cases.

Warnings are, in my opinion, perfectly fine as long as they're issued once. I don't play the game to hear people try to barter their way out of a kick/ban with sideways logic and "borderline" rule interpretation.

I can't speak for others, but I feel as if arguments of any kind between admins and "wrongdoers" completely suck the fun out of the game and replace it with needless drama. If someone's warned by an admin--any admin--then I believe that admin should follow through accordingly and immediately if the warned person refuses to comply.

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Warnings are, in my opinion, perfectly fine as long as they're issued once. I don't play the game to hear people try to barter their way out of a kick/ban with sideways logic and "borderline" rule interpretation.

I can't speak for others, but I feel as if arguments of any kind between admins and "wrongdoers" completely suck the fun out of the game and replace it with needless drama. If someone's warned by an admin--any admin--then I believe that admin should follow through accordingly and immediately if the warned person refuses to comply.

That's my stance - if the person wants to be argumentative with an admin, then they're gone in my book, especially after a warning. There have been plenty of people who stopped acting up after a warning, so I feel it's not worth being too provocative unless the user acts up first, and in that case if he/she has been warned, you have every right to just ban him/her/them.

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