The Coop Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Well, since it has vanished yet again, here's the third version of this thread. For those of you coming here for the first time, this is just a friendly request to avoid making a "favorite remix/remixer" thread on this site. I'm sure you're wondering "Why?". Well, the answer is pretty simple. Those threads almost always degenerate into flame wars, as they have been done literally hundreds upon hundreds of times (and thusly, everyone is sick of them). Also, those threads usually get the same answers each time, and this can lead to hurt feelings... and yet more flames. If you feel the urge to divide your OCR collection up into the "WOW!" and "HOW'D THIS GET ON THE SITE?!" categories, please do so on your hard drive, and not on the site itself. Moderator edit: We're broadening this to favorite/worst stuff threads in general. They have the nasty habit of causing flamewars very fast (along the lines of "U IDIOT TAHT GAEM/SYSTEM SUX BALLZ/IZ GRATE") Same goes for those silly "Who would win?" threads actually. There's no winners in those, only losers. Not to mention that in most cases it's impossible to determine who'd win, since it's all based on opinion anyways . The Coop edit: I noticed a recent comment by Hausdog, and felt the need to update this post. It's been a while since the first version of this thread was made, and I figured it's time to give a more in-depth answer as to why these threads are still frowned upon. The reason OCR has a "No favorites" policy is two fold... 1- To avoid having the remixes be "ranked". The point of OCR is that all the songs posted here passed the judging process, and thus, are worth at least giving a listen. The site doesn't divide the remixes up by most downloads, most positive/negative reviews, or what have you, and by extension, it doesn't allow user made threads that do the same basic thing. Doing so results in remixes being ignored that might have otherwise at least been given a chance, simply because some people didn't like it, or because the remixer wasn't on someone's "OMG BESTEST" list. The goal is to have listeners... well, listen. And threads that name the same few remixers and tunes over and over as people's favorites pretty much fubars that concept, and results in mixes being passed over because no one mentioned them in "favorite remix/remixer thread #17597". OCR wants you to decide what you'll keep by hearing the songs. Not by going with popular vote. 2- Favorite game threads, like the remix/remixer ones, have been done to death. Franchises like Final Fantasy have had so many threads asking which one was your favorite, it was getting to the point of being like the movie Groundhog Day. You'd see them and think to yourself, Didn't we just do this? Such threads are also prime targets for flame-fests, as the moment someone disses the franchise (which always happens), the people who like it come to their beloved series' rescue and go after the supposed heretic that besmirched their game's good name (which also always happens). Bickering starts, and the cycle is complete. While the site supports people being able to discuss the games (and game music) they enjoy, the generalized threads dedicated to things like "Favorite Final Fantasy game", "Best Sonic game", "Favorite shmup", "Favorite Chrono Trigger song", "Favorite video game babe", "Favorite RPG weapon", "Favorite video game series", and so forth, will get the boot. Keep in mind, if you're new to a franchise that has a lot of installments, it's okay to ask people which one(s) would be a good starting point. If you're new to a particular genre, it's fine to ask for advice on which ones are worth getting. If you just picked up a system, you're free to ask for recommendations... especially if it's an older system that has a huge library of games. But if all you're wanting to do as ask people "what's you're favorite _______?", no matter how you try and word it, it will most likely be locked rather quickly. So there are the essentials behind why "favorite" threads are frowned upon. If you want to talk about a particular game, you can. If you want to compare and contrast the traits of a couple different series, you can. If you want to know what game holds a special place in the hearts of posters everywhere (and why it does), you can ask. But if you're just interested in knowing things like what everyones favorite healing spell is, your thread'll get shut down. Not because the mods don't like you, but because you stumbled upon an OCR "no-no". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekm Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Non-remix Favorite threads tend to be frowned upon too, as we've seen with Favorite Snack Food this week. Some topics are neat, like Favorite Weapon/Item or Favorite Boss, but some judgement really needs to be exercised before you start one of these. Coop: why does the thread keep disappearing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropicdecay Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Non-remix Favorite threads tend to be frowned upon too, as we've seen with Favorite Snack Food this week. Some topics are neat, like Favorite Weapon/Item or Favorite Boss, but some judgement really needs to be exercised before you start one of these.Coop: why does the thread keep disappearing? The vengeful ghosts of the old FAVRIT REMIXS threads, perhaps? Yes, most favorites threads are looked down upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coop Posted October 17, 2004 Author Share Posted October 17, 2004 Coop: why does the thread keep disappearing? I wish I knew. Even [-Smoke-] doesn't know what happened to the first thread, and I'm sure the second ones disappearance is just as mysterious. I'm wondering if it has something to do with it not being posted in for 3-4 weeks, since that seems to be how long threads last in this forum. Maybe despite being a stickied thread, it still gets deleted due to inactivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Orichalcon Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Coop: why does the thread keep disappearing? I wish I knew. Even [-Smoke-] doesn't know what happened to the first thread, and I'm sure the second ones disappearance is just as mysterious. I'm wondering if it has something to do with it not being posted in for 3-4 weeks, since that seems to be how long threads last in this forum. Maybe despite being a stickied thread, it still gets deleted due to inactivity. We'll just have to remember to reply to it every fortnight or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Coop: why does the thread keep disappearing? I wish I knew. Even [-Smoke-] doesn't know what happened to the first thread, and I'm sure the second ones disappearance is just as mysterious. I'm wondering if it has something to do with it not being posted in for 3-4 weeks, since that seems to be how long threads last in this forum. Maybe despite being a stickied thread, it still gets deleted due to inactivity. The second one vanished in less than 2 weeks. And Stickies aren't affected by the age of the most recent post, they stick forever until unstickied when too old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coop Posted October 19, 2004 Author Share Posted October 19, 2004 ] Coop: why does the thread keep disappearing? I wish I knew. Even [-Smoke-] doesn't know what happened to the first thread, and I'm sure the second ones disappearance is just as mysterious. I'm wondering if it has something to do with it not being posted in for 3-4 weeks, since that seems to be how long threads last in this forum. Maybe despite being a stickied thread, it still gets deleted due to inactivity. The second one vanished in less than 2 weeks. And Stickies aren't affected by the age of the most recent post, they stick forever until unstickied when too old. And the mystery continues to unfold... **plays "Unsolved Mysteries" theme** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekm Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 A mystery? Perhaps. One that will go unsolved for countless generations? Most likely. Or perhaps it's simply a fact of life that has to be dealt with when you enter... the Twilight Thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equiski Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Coop: why does the thread keep disappearing? I wish I knew. Even [-Smoke-] doesn't know what happened to the first thread, and I'm sure the second ones disappearance is just as mysterious. I'm wondering if it has something to do with it not being posted in for 3-4 weeks, since that seems to be how long threads last in this forum. Maybe despite being a stickied thread, it still gets deleted due to inactivity. We'll just have to remember to reply to it every fortnight or so. We could just talk about our favourite mixers to keep this bumped, you know . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coop Posted November 2, 2004 Author Share Posted November 2, 2004 Just giving this thread a nudge to potentially prevent deletion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavos - Devourer of Time Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I'd also like to add that there should be no "favorite console" type threads. Those always degenerate into fanboy flame wars anyway. The last n00b to post one got his thread locked (luckily it was after the mocking had begun!). Please, keep the forums clean and free of stupidity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coop Posted November 17, 2004 Author Share Posted November 17, 2004 Getting close to that infamous two week mark, so I'm giving another nudge to this thread. And Lavos, I can see where you're coming from, but most threads about a favorite console are made on purpose by someone being a smart ass because it's a topic that they know will degenerate quickly. Favorite remix and remixer threads on the otherhand, usually get made by newbies that don't know the tiresome aspect of the topic on OCR, and wander into the fire unaware that they're about to get burned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenophule Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Keepin' this mofo alive, yo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrion Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 ]The second one vanished in less than 2 weeks. And Stickies aren't affected by the age of the most recent post, they stick forever until unstickied when too old. Then it's possible that stickies themselves have a time limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xelebes Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 ]The second one vanished in less than 2 weeks. And Stickies aren't affected by the age of the most recent post, they stick forever until unstickied when too old. Then it's possible that stickies themselves have a time limit. Threads get deleted after a month not 2 weeks, most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 ]The second one vanished in less than 2 weeks. And Stickies aren't affected by the age of the most recent post, they stick forever until unstickied when too old. Then it's possible that stickies themselves have a time limit. Threads get deleted after a month not 2 weeks, most of the time. Depends on the expiration time set for each separate forum though. Faster-moving forums benefit from a shorter expiration time to keep size down. And this forum is set to 3 weeks apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coop Posted December 6, 2004 Author Share Posted December 6, 2004 Whoa. Just saw that the second "How To" thread here just got axed. Giving this a bump... just because. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScytheofDeath Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 how to make sure your sticky thread ....(tehres a joke somewhere) doesnt get deleted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coop Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 Since it's getting close to that two week mark, I give a bump for the newbies out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmoeo Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Holy crap Coop, you're going to break the 10000 limit. Oh, and bumb for good measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajgunn225 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 my bad, i guess you could call me a veteran listener but a newbie poster. I didn't realize that there was so much flaming on these boards of our remixing community. I was actually posting that topic in an attempt to find out what other people liked so that just in case there was something i hadnt sampled already, my search for good remixes would be helped along. In any case, I see good reason in disallowing such topics now that I've thought it through more. Thanks for not flaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbyssWyrm Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 my bad, i guess you could call me a veteran listener but a newbie poster. I didn't realize that there was so much flaming on these boards of our remixing community. I was actually posting that topic in an attempt to find out what other people liked so that just in case there was something i hadnt sampled already, my search for good remixes would be helped along. In any case, I see good reason in disallowing such topics now that I've thought it through more. Thanks for not flaming. Well, if there's something specific you were looking for, you could try more like "piano mix recommendations." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coop Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 And here's a bump to keep this thread from vanishing... again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinite HP Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Due to the recent "flux" (or "influx" or however you want to put it) of newer people (I prefer to use the politically correct term for "newbies" ) I am helping to preserve this thread/sticky by posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setz Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I'm not letting Coop get all the bumps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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