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Well, I said I wouldn't post any WIPs in this thread, but I will tell peeps that I'm about halfway done with Doomsday.

I'm planning to do the final boss theme after that, but I'm a little unsure about the structure.

I was thinking, Doomsday first, and it leads into final boss, but I don't know if it would work better the other way around. Any ideas?

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Ok, a serious issue is on hand. And it's pathetic. You people just don't help each other like you should. This is a fucking team. But yet some of you don't even check the fucking thread. We all need feedback. Do you know we had a drop out because of this. You people need to shape up. Being busy is no fucking excuse. A few minutes of your time is nothing. I can't accept anymore of this shit. You people are acting as if you are in your own corner. SHAPE UP PEOPLE.

Never, ever, cuss out your remixers. :whatevaa:

You can say what you have to say without being pissy. Try to maintain some professionalism. :?

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I was thinking, Doomsday first, and it leads into final boss, but I don't know if it would work better the other way around. Any ideas?

If it were up to me, I'd do both themes separately instead of one track.

But there are alot of tracks already, and doing both in one track would save some room. If you go that way, do Doomsday leading into Final Boss, or maybe mix Final Boss midway through Doomsday.

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I was thinking, Doomsday first, and it leads into final boss, but I don't know if it would work better the other way around. Any ideas?

If it were up to me, I'd do both themes separately instead of one track.

But there are alot of tracks already, and doing both in one track would save some room. If you go that way, do Doomsday leading into Final Boss, or maybe mix Final Boss midway through Doomsday.

Well, I mean as two tracks, but one transitions into the other. I just don't know which to transtion into which.

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Snnapleman, stop that crappy "I am your savior, I came here to save the project, bound before me, adore me" speech. It's not cool. I appreciated the move, but there's no need to act like that...

That's all I have to say.

I didn't really want to involve myself in this thread but...what? Really now...

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And honestly people, drop the hostility. You're all working together on this and flaming is the least productive thing you can possibly do.

We're not flaming - we're just trying to piece together this small part of the mixing jigsaw :P

Anyhow, fingers crossed that I might have something for tomorrow - gonna be a bitch mastering everything again... ^_^;

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Ok, a serious issue is on hand. And it's pathetic. You people just don't help each other like you should. This is a fucking team. But yet some of you don't even check the fucking thread. We all need feedback. Do you know we had a drop out because of this. You people need to shape up. Being busy is no fucking excuse. A few minutes of your time is nothing. I can't accept anymore of this shit. You people are acting as if you are in your own corner. SHAPE UP PEOPLE.

Never, ever, cuss out your remixers. :whatevaa:

You can say what you have to say without being pissy. Try to maintain some professionalism. :?

Dude. They didn't get the message when I asked. I even asked nicely. They need to get the message. I mean, if they don't understand when you ask nice, then what other way is there? Look, I'll start to ligthen up a little more, but there is still no real excuse.

EDIT - Thanks to the lack of teamwork and helping with each other we lost 3 mixers. THREE mixers. THREE.

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Ok, a serious issue is on hand. And it's pathetic. You people just don't help each other like you should. This is a fucking team. But yet some of you don't even check the fucking thread. We all need feedback. Do you know we had a drop out because of this. You people need to shape up. Being busy is no fucking excuse. A few minutes of your time is nothing. I can't accept anymore of this shit. You people are acting as if you are in your own corner. SHAPE UP PEOPLE.

Never, ever, cuss out your remixers. :whatevaa:

You can say what you have to say without being pissy. Try to maintain some professionalism. :?

Dude. They didn't get the message when I asked. I even asked nicely. They need to get the message. I mean, if they don't understand when you ask nice, then what other way is there? Look, I'll start to ligthen up a little more, but there is still no real excuse.

EDIT - Thanks to the lack of teamwork and helping with each other we lost 3 mixers. THREE mixers. THREE.

You can still have the authority, without all the cussing in there. DarkeSword probably meant to not use the word fuck (at least not that often). And maybe not go too "personnal". If you have to blame someone, do it in a general way (example : All remixers need to visit the thread regulary/daily, not once in a while *you can put it in bold, caps, add !!!, or anything like that*).

This is also part of being a good leader. I'm not saying you're bad at it, but just mesure your words. As little the detail may seem, it's part of communication, and communicating between leader <-> subordinates (project coordinator <-> remixers) is a very important aspect in the realisation of a project. Like many other people, i do not want this project to fail, and i am certain you're not wishing this either. But if in any way you show some "sign of weakness", the repercussion will be felt on the rest of the team too.

Sorry for the semi speech, but i hope it can help you. Don't take it bad though, i'm not saying all this in a negative way. Watch out to not put too much pressure on yourself, you already have a lot on your shoulders.

And don't forget guys, don't give up! :wink:

... I'll mind my own business now :oops:

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Ok, a serious issue is on hand. And it's pathetic. You people just don't help each other like you should. This is a fucking team. But yet some of you don't even check the fucking thread. We all need feedback. Do you know we had a drop out because of this. You people need to shape up. Being busy is no fucking excuse. A few minutes of your time is nothing. I can't accept anymore of this shit. You people are acting as if you are in your own corner. SHAPE UP PEOPLE.

Never, ever, cuss out your remixers. :whatevaa:

You can say what you have to say without being pissy. Try to maintain some professionalism. :?

Dude. They didn't get the message when I asked. I even asked nicely. They need to get the message. I mean, if they don't understand when you ask nice, then what other way is there? Look, I'll start to ligthen up a little more, but there is still no real excuse.

EDIT - Thanks to the lack of teamwork and helping with each other we lost 3 mixers. THREE mixers. THREE.

You went from one extreme to the other. You've gotta know how to treat your team members. Just yelling at someone with obsenities does nothing. If you were someone without any real involvement in the project, then fine, swear all you want, but not as the project leader.

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Announcement -

I have been super stressed as of late. Alot of things are hitting my life at once, and what was once easy to ignore is now getting worse and worse. And it shows in my posts. Being a hardass is one thing, but being a jackass is another. And I my friends, was a jackass. I apologize to everyone involved in the project because my attitude really does hurt the project more than help. And I shouldn't curse you guys either. Now that my chin is picked up, I feel much better now. I just gotta keep pressing on. Once again everyone, I am sorry. I 10000% Promise that I will keep a cheerful mood when dealing with the project, since that is what we all need.

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Announcement -

I have been super stressed as of late. Alot of things are hitting my life at once, and what was once easy to ignore is now getting worse and worse. And it shows in my posts. Being a hardass is one thing, but being a jackass is another. And I my friends, was a jackass. I apologize to everyone involved in the project because my attitude really does hurt the project more than help. And I shouldn't curse you guys either. Now that my chin is picked up, I feel much better now. I just gotta keep pressing on. Once again everyone, I am sorry. I 10000% Promise that I will keep a cheerful mood when dealing with the project, since that is what we all need.

DON'T FUCKING LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN

...

:P

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lol, I was going to say something directed towards KFC... but I think Darkesword's taken very nice care of that.

Snappleman - the idea of a transition sounds cool, but what if my remix gets voted and not yours? Then the transition wouldn't work...

Of course, chances of me winning are probably quite low, but it's still a possibility, right?

Other than that, i'm looking to take on a second track. Anything you guys would like to see me do? I'm thinking Casino Nights, but yeah. I might even do two more, or three, even - but I'll see how I go ^^;

I'm at a College that literally is *full time* - we do a five year course in two years, and so, you know, if I get busy, then I honestly *don't* have time to work on music, but i'll try to find time whenever I can. After next week, I wont have another assignment for a little while :)

Xenon - Your remix sounds quite chaotic and monotonous - I think it's mainly the crappy synths you're using, and a lack of decent mastering, but my ears are blocked (sick) and I can't really hear it perfectly.

I'm not sure how you'd go about fixing it all - the theme sounds very out of place in this style... I think the best advice I can give is to start again, if it's not too late. Maybe find a song in real life that you can copy the style and layout of, only using the Hydrocity melodies - that always works for me when I can't find ideas. Atleast that way you kind of have guidlines to follow :)

Sorry if that's not very helpful... i'm feeling pretty crap and drowsy... I'll post more critiques later.

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Xenon - Your remix sounds quite chaotic and monotonous - I think it's mainly the crappy synths you're using, and a lack of decent mastering, but my ears are blocked (sick) and I can't really hear it perfectly.

I'm not sure how you'd go about fixing it all - the theme sounds very out of place in this style... I think the best advice I can give is to start again, if it's not too late. Maybe find a song in real life that you can copy the style and layout of, only using the Hydrocity melodies - that always works for me when I can't find ideas. Atleast that way you kind of have guidlines to follow :)

Sorry if that's not very helpful... i'm feeling pretty crap and drowsy... I'll post more critiques later.

No, it's quite alright. It's the first criticism I've gotten besides KFC. Yeah, it does sound like crap. However, I've really no idea what I'm going to so about the synths and such, for the fact that I've only got FruityLoops 4 and honestly have no idea how to use soundfonts properly. Well, then again, it might sound bad because of the reverb that I've soaked into some of the instruments, trying to give that "watery" feel. And I've yet to add the main melody to the song, which will require recording (if I can manage to have it sound decent with the limited resources I have). Oh well. I have a set idea of how I want the song to sound on my head, so I just need to go back and try to form it so that it sounds similar to how I want it yet different enough to be labeled a remix.

...yet upon listening to it, I suppose the original song was chaotic, since all I did was take each individual voice from the song and place it with a different instrument, and then a drum sequence in the background.

Well, more feedback appreciated. Perhaps the more detailed kind, though I thank Haydn for trying while he is a bit sick.

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all I did was take each individual voice from the song and place it with a different instrument, and then a drum sequence in the background.

That could actually be your problem ^^;

When you're going to change the style of a piece, it's a good idea to work it from the ground up, and not simply recycle the original. Put in the melody without altering it too much, and then add your unique basslines and supporting instruments, without too much regard for the originals. As long as people recognise the melody, it's okay to screw around and have fun with the other instruments, in order to make them better suit your style :)

I'm sorry again, that I can't really give detailed advice. I'll try and help some more when I get un-sick :)

Keep working on it, I look forward to seeing new versions!

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