Benjamin Briggs Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 isn't this thread OLD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelCityOutlaw Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 Nothing happened to music. If you can't find music you like that was made within the last decade, you're not looking hard enough. People only think music was better in the past because they're looking at the classics, while ignoring all else. The same with movies, television, and video games. There have always been your Rebecca Blacks, the only difference being it's now more visible, thanks to the internet. Yeah, we pretty much determined this months and months ago. Really don't know why we're having this conversation again. isn't this thread OLD? Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 And yet people brought it back up, if you don't want to have a conversation, why are you posting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollgagh Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 It got brought back up because Salluz wanted A-Ron to make a remix and then it got replied to with "nothing happened to music" by multiple people because people don't read shit before proclaiming their opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derako Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I agree a lot of the music that climbs the charts these days suck. No creativity, just plain stupid. But you put some sexy clothes on a guy or a girl, make some good one liners in the song, put a beat to it 12 year old girls start to scream and then it becomes popular and you hear it on the radio all the time. (Wow that was a long sentence! Grammar anyone?) There are still some diamonds in the rough on the pop charts these days but again most of it is garbage. If Shostakovich or Vaughn Williams was on the radio, now that would be epic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devyn Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I hear that one a lot: "You're not looking hard enough". It's actually true. I still find as much awesome music as I did back in the day. The problem today is that you have to really dig for it. You have to know where to look. Popular music, be it rock, rap, whatever...You could just turn to the rap station and get Coolio, you know, Bone Thugs, Wu Tang Clan, Fugees...I'm not even a rap fan and can tell you that 90's hip hop whoops the living crap out of most hip hop on the radio.and tv today(I will exclude Outkast there for sure). Rock? You could turn on the radio and instantly get Everclear, NIN, Foo Fighters, Nirvana, Stabbing Westward, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, etc., etc... Now you turn it on and get a slew of bands that sound like a combination of Creed and Nickelback and whatever WWE uses when their wrestlers come out. Pop? Even pop was better. You had Ace of Base, Eiffel 65, Aqua, No Doubt, TLC, to name a few..bubblegum stuff but I'm not a pop fan. Still way better in the 90's. And you also had weird new age stuff like Enya. 80's had its share of crap but still had some incredibly awesome stuff...but running out of time. Regardless, thank whatever powers be for the internet because we'd all be screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safety Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I think music sure has changed and the industry has changed plenty. But the assumption that mainstream music today is of less quality than previously is false straight up. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles Todays singles chart. It's a real mix of good songs, and bad songs. Cursory glance will reveal that Adele for example is 20 places higher than Nicki Minaj. My point is, there's a lot of crap in the mainstream shelf, but there is also a HUGE increase in niche, underground and obscure music due to lower production costs. You don't need radio, you have webradio. You don't need to find new music. Last.fm, blogs, forums, spotify and itunes does it for you. And so forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustin Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Thanks. My post got ate by a bad shortcut on my part. See above for common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenogu Labz Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 This may be a bit sidetrack-ish, but could it be that the real root irritation is not so much the quality of music, but rather the perceived growth in people who prefer and 'enjoy' lower quality of music? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalcyonSpirit Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I think that may be part of it, at least when combined with the perceived growth of people who proclaim said "lower quality" music to be THE BEST MUSIC EVER NO MATTER WHAT AND NOTHING ELSE COMES CLOSE. I think that in itself is a big part of the irritation in some cases. It's one thing to like _____, it's another to claim its superiority and refuse to acknowledge anything else as being even remotely as good. I see a lot of that, personally. In other words, overzealous fans tend to annoy non-fans and turn them against what they like. Who'da thunk it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooDidley7 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Just curious, doesn't it bother anyone here, that while you can still find good music on the internet, it's no longer anywhere near mainstream. Which isn't the worst thing in the world, although it sucks for the musicians, who deserve better. But, perhaps even moreso, from a cultural point of view, what passes for "popular music" today will now be echoed in the future at parties, weddings, social gatherings, etc., as it becomes a defacto touchstone of a generation, because it was there, rather than it was any good. Elevator music in stores across the country will be recycling this shit, for decades to come. It feels a bit quaint to just discount the continuous degradation of "popular music" as something we can just ignore. I have no solutions, or expectations, but I wish there was something that could be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustin Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 With good being subjective, it's almost not worth arguing. Plus, what if the arrangements of the alleged "bad" music are good in the "elevator?" Plenty of popular tunes have been re-arranged into awesome, light versions of their counterparts. And sometimes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazygecko Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 It's not as simple as a case of rose-tinted goggles. What is different today is that almost all genres lumped together under "mainstream music" are converging into the same shit, using the same chord progressions, synth presets and production techniques. It's barely worth telling pop, dance or hip hop apart from eachother any more as they're all beating the same dead horse, instead of everyone beating their own dead horse. This is an observartion that even has scientific backing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooDidley7 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 With good being subjective, it's almost not worth arguing. Plus, what if the arrangements of the alleged "bad" music are good in the "elevator?" Plenty of popular tunes have been re-arranged into awesome, light versions of their counterparts. And sometimes, I agree good is highly subjective, but there's such a narrow spectrum of what is even in the mainstream nowadays, I think a serious argument could be made that there is something seriously wrong. It's been said already, but going back to the 90's for example, you had a wide venue of running music genres and artists out there, so that there was at least something out there most people could probably appreciate. By elevator music, I meant not only the lightened arrangements, but also the general background music that you hear when you go to a store, which many times sounds like (at least to me) the original recordings of pop hits of yore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Williamson Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Going back to the original topic question (haven't been reading), all I have to say is... I so agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustin Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121022/00013120781/trent-reznor-talks-to-techdirt-about-his-unconventional-new-record-deal-why-he-still-loves-diy.shtml?utm_source=feedburner Relevant for those of you who want to get learn'ed about the business - some great insight from Trent Reznor. Talks about music trends - some of the stuff from this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooDidley7 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121022/00013120781/trent-reznor-talks-to-techdirt-about-his-unconventional-new-record-deal-why-he-still-loves-diy.shtml?utm_source=feedburnerRelevant for those of you who want to get learn'ed about the business - some great insight from Trent Reznor. Talks about music trends - some of the stuff from this topic. With all due respect, I'm not sure what we're supposed to take away from this. Reznor decides he wants HTDA to reach as many people as possible (which all musicians I assume, want) and goes back to label produced music. What's the lesson? Other than, all the DIY and previously built up fame of even a major act such as NIN, isn't good enough to get HTDA off the ground. How is it really fair to say to musician nobodies, without a couple of decades of fame and success under their belt, that they can really build a massive audience through the internet, when Reznor doesn't even feel he can't? I'm not knocking Reznor, his reasoning is not unsound. But it's a bit telling about the viability of trying to build a music career based on new media standards. I always thought this was an interesting write up of how the old label structure, as bad as it was, at least attempted to invest in developing new acts. It's freaking massive though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salluz Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 It got brought back up because Salluz wanted A-Ron to make a remixand then it got replied to with "nothing happened to music" by multiple people because people don't read shit before proclaiming their opinions Thank you (I shoulda sent A-Ron a pm instead with his words in quote). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadosho Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 When it comes to music, the radio is by far the toughest atmosphere to take on. It seems to be overpopulated with so many beats, its all beginning to sound like a mess. But there are a few that manage to stay out of that level. I do hope that there are more talented artists that will take on new ideas and actually have an audience. (I still don't get it why Adele became the choice for Bond's new theme in Skyfall) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleck Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (I still don't get it why Adele became the choice for Bond's new theme in Skyfall) It should have been this, instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare4War Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 There is some cool music coming out too guys, with all the shit music we hear all the time. At the end of the day though I agree, it has taken a turn for the worse. It's not like you have to feel guilty, though; if you set your Pandora to "Billy Joel Radio" or "Bryan Adams Radio". I do it all the time. Go try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollgagh Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 It should have been this, instead. quoted for absolute, incontrovertible truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelCityOutlaw Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 My favourite Bond themes are still Golden Eye and The World Is Not Enough. Really didn't like the "Skyfall" theme. Very repetitive, boring song in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Briggs Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 adele's music is just bland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptazza Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I think most music is awful these days, rock radio is about the only station I can bare to listen to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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